Wednesday, 2017-12-13

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Yipei_hi00:59
songhi00:59
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zhiyuan#starrmeeting tricircle01:00
zhiyuan#startmeeting tricircle01:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 13 01:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.01:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.01:01
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zhiyuani see our our unit test fails, there may be some changes in neutron code that cause the problem01:01
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zhiyuando you have time to fix it?01:03
Yipei_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396351/01:03
Yipei_i already checked and tried to fix it01:03
zhiyuanthanks Yipei!01:04
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zhiyuanadding [Urgent] tag in the commit message title so we will merge it soon once the unit tests pass01:05
Yipei_ok, got it01:06
zhiyuannext let's update the development progress01:07
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zhiyuanI've just +1 on the distinguish source of request patch, sorry for the late comment01:08
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songI wait this pr to be merged.01:08
zhiyuani think joe will merge it once he sees the update01:09
zhiyuanbut we also need to fix the current unit test failure first01:09
songi am not hurry.^.^01:10
zhiyuanwhat about the spec for resource deletion reliability? it seems that it hasn't been submitted yet01:10
songoh, I know it have finished. I will ask CRH.01:11
songlook like he does not in here now.01:11
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songif he does not have time . I pull it a little later.01:12
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zhiyuanfine, have you discussed with zhuangzhuang offline?01:13
zhiyuanoh, ronghui is online now01:13
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RongHUIhello01:13
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songwe have discuss the spec01:13
songthey are waiting for see it.01:14
xuzhuangyeah01:14
songi think you have finished already.01:14
RongHUIok i will finish the specc this week01:15
songbecause my code already finished.^.^01:15
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zhiyuanhopefully the spec won't change too much during the review01:16
songnever mind.01:16
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Yipei_1) i am working on the spec for l3 networking, 2) for lbaas, plan to join weekly meeting of octavia to discuss installation automation.01:17
zhiyuanwhat's the time of the weekly meeting?01:17
Yipei_20:00 UTC on Wednesdays01:18
zhiyuanoh, it's 4 am beijing time01:18
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zhuexcuese me,hello everyone. zxh and me is fixing a bug about port-delete.01:19
Yipei_i was busy with some personal business last week, so i cannot always be online to discuss with the octavia team01:20
zhubut i have some confusions that what the meaning of shadow network and shadow port. sorry to disturb all.01:20
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songhi zhu01:21
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songzhu is a student new to here.01:21
songwelcome01:21
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zhiyuanYipei, that's fine, take your personal business first. I think the automation is not that hurry01:22
zhuAre there some documents to introduce these conceptions?01:22
zhiyuanhi zhu, welcome01:22
zhuthank you , zhiyuan.01:22
zhuhi01:22
zhiyuanfor the shadow network and port mechanism, we have a spec discussing about it01:23
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zhiyuanhttps://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/specs/pike/cross-neutron-vxlan-networking.rst01:23
Yipei_ok, thanks, zhiyuan01:23
zxhto zhiyuan, i met a problem, i create vm in region1 and delete port when creating vm in region2, then delete vm in region2, when in region1 again to create the vm, there will be a virtualInterfaceCreateException error. if set vif_plugging_is_fatal=false in nova-cpu.conf, create vm success but ping failed.01:24
zhuok , thank you, zhiyuan.01:25
zhiyuanwhat about the vm creation in region2, success or not?01:25
zxhsuccess01:26
zhiyuanthe port is also deleted in region1, is that right?01:26
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zxhuse delete_resources function in central to delete port in region101:28
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zhiyuandelete_resources funtion in which module?01:29
zxhtricircle.common.client01:30
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zxh_get_client(region_name).delete_resource(constants.RT_PORT, t_ctx, port['id'])01:31
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zxhport will be normal delete in region101:32
zhiyuanoh, i think the resource mapping also need to be deleted01:32
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zxhalso deleted use e01:33
zxhuse core.delete_resources01:33
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zhiyuanhmm, so the procedure looks fine01:37
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zhiyuanwhat is the time between you create the vm in region2 and delete vm, recreate in region1?01:38
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zxhdelete vm in active status, list server is null, recreate vm in region1.01:40
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zhiyuanso this doesn't seem a concurrent problem01:43
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zhiyuancould you provide me more context about the error via mail? and also your fixsing code01:43
zhiyuans/fixsing/fixing01:44
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zxhgood, thanks01:44
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zhiyuanis ronghui still online?01:48
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RongHUIyes01:49
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zhiyuanis your spec ready to be submitted?01:50
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RongHUIno  is there anything need to add ?01:50
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songI think we can pull it first. let all people to review.maybe it is not very perfect.01:51
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zhiyuan+1, song01:52
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RongHUIok01:52
songthanks to RongHUI.01:52
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zhiyuanis it fine for you to submit the patch by the weekend?01:53
RongHUIyes01:53
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zhiyuangood, thanks ronghui01:54
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zhiyuanso far for the progress update, any other topics?01:55
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songno for me01:56
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RongHUIno for me01:56
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xuzhuangno01:56
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zhiyuanok, thanks for attending the meeting01:58
zhiyuan#endmeeting01:58
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zhiyuanbye01:58
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Yipei_bye01:58
songbye01:58
xuzhuangbye01:58
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mugsie#startmeeting Designate14:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 13 14:02:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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mugsie#topic Roll Call14:02
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daidvo/14:02
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simon-AS559Anseo!14:03
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simon-AS559(My officemate told me to say that)14:03
mugsiesimon-AS559: :)14:03
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cleonghi14:04
mugsie#topic Action Items from last week14:04
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mugsiemugsie add new time to all his calenders14:04
mugsiedone :)14:04
mugsiemugsie remove docs/requirments.txt14:04
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mugsieand done :)14:04
mugsie#topic Bug Triage (timsim)14:05
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mugsienot sure if tim is here, so I will start14:05
mugsie#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/173330514:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1733305 in Designate "designate does not handle compute.instance.update events" [Undecided,New]14:05
mugsieI am not sure about this one - we traditionally have said that the included desingate-sink handlers are just examples14:06
mugsiebut people seem to be using them as is14:06
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simon-AS559Well the code to handle instance updates would be excellent even as an example (-: if someone writes it)14:07
mugsiedoes anyone think we should start expanding the -sink support, or should we we be pointing people to the neutron integration ?14:07
mugsiesimon-AS559: that is true14:07
mugsieI can mark it as wishlist then, and if someone has the time they can implement it14:08
simon-AS559Sounds good.14:08
simon-AS559(I don't really have an opinion on -sink vs. Neutron integration—just getting my feet wet with the latter.)14:08
mugsie#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/172258114:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1722581 in Designate "floating ip cannot have any formats but octetstring.domain" [Undecided,New]14:09
mugsiefor this, we are limited by what is inluded with the notification from neutron14:10
mugsieI would need to look, but dns_name *may* be included there now14:10
mugsie#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/171408814:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1714088 in Designate "No ability to create zones shared across tenants" [Undecided,New]14:12
mugsiethis seems to be a feature request, that was re-opened due to issues with the neutron integration14:12
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mugsieI think we actually need to do shared, so I will leave it open, and link the spec / blueprint for the shared zones14:13
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simon-AS559+114:13
mugsiethats it for new bugs :)14:14
mugsie#topic Backport Triage14:14
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mugsie#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/628851/14:15
mugsiecan everyone look at ^ and see if there is anything that should be backported to ocata / pike ?14:16
mugsieI don't see anything really14:18
simon-AS559Me neither14:18
mugsie#topic Open Discussion14:18
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daidvCan I come with the same question again :)14:19
mugsieSure :)14:19
daidvWill we continue to work on OVO migrate patches?14:19
mugsieI have been testing the OVO patches, and I think they can merge soon - there is one or two changes needed (error messages that changed) but it looks good14:20
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mugsieI think they will become much cleaner when we remove V1 API - they will not have to maintain 2 schemas14:21
daidvAwesome!14:21
mugsiestill not sure about the trigger based migrations, but I think the v1 removal cleanup will let us test that14:21
mugsieas we will need to change tenant_id -> project_id etc14:21
daidvOk, first of all, I think we can migrate to use OVO instead pre-date OVO - designate objects.14:22
mugsieyeah, that chain is good14:22
mugsieso merge it before we worry about v1 removal14:23
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mugsieany other questions ?14:23
daidvEnough for me today :D thanks14:24
simon-AS559I'll try to come to the Dublin PTG14:25
mugsieOK - one last thing for me - I sugest we skip meetings over the holiday break - so we will have the meeting next week, then skip until Jan 314:25
mugsiesimon-AS559: cool :)14:25
mugsieI will be here, and we have a room14:25
simon-AS559Excellent!14:25
simon-AS559Also fine with dropping the meeting over the holiday break.14:25
mugsiefor once I will not have to fly across an ocean to get to an OpenStack event :)14:26
daidv+114:26
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mugsieOK, if thats it for today, lets all get 35 mins back :)14:26
mugsiethanks everyone!14:27
simon-AS559Thanks & bye!14:27
mugsie#endmeeting14:27
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jungleboyj#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 13 16:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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smcginniso/16:00
tommylikehuhey16:00
jungleboyjcourtesy ping:  jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro16:00
xyang1Hi16:00
jungleboyj@!16:00
_pewp_jungleboyj (。・д・)ノ゙16:00
e0nehi16:00
Swansonheyump!16:00
jungleboyjxyang1:  Yay!  Welcome!16:00
cleonghi16:01
gouthamro/16:01
xyang1:)16:01
felipemonteiro_o/16:01
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jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  Welcome.16:01
jungleboyjAgenda for today:  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-queens-meeting-agendas16:01
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bswartz./o16:02
bswartz.o/16:02
smcginnisbswartz: Kinda turned into a mutant for a second there.16:02
jungleboyjbswartz:  Ouch.16:02
jungleboyjOk, we have a good number of people here and have a few topics to cover today.16:03
Swansonbswartz, dislocate your head?16:03
jungleboyj#topic Announcements16:03
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jungleboyj#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking16:03
bswartzI'm okay -- just typing too fast16:03
jungleboyjWe are working towards Queens-3 ...  So, lets keep the reviews going and please keep getting reviews for your sepcs into that file.16:04
jungleboyjI have closed down the new driver reviews.16:04
jungleboyjUnfortunately had a few drivers that missed, but they weren't ready.16:04
jungleboyjWanted to let everyone know that we have released Cinderclient 3.3.0 last week.16:04
jungleboyjThere were a number of missing microversions in the client and this release brings us up to date there so that we can keep tackling the multi-attach work.16:05
jungleboyjIn sad news we have had some Cores stepping down.16:05
e0ne:(16:05
tommylikehu:(16:06
jungleboyjI started a discussion due to the disconnect in number of cores and actual activity.16:06
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jungleboyjWas wondering who would not be able to get back to Cinder.16:06
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e0nedulek, scottda, we'll miss all of you16:06
jungleboyjUnfortunately Michal Dulko and Scott D'Angelo needed to step back.16:06
jungleboyje0ne:  ++100016:07
e0neseems that DuncanT will step down too:(16:07
tommylikehuDuncanT: ?16:07
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Yeah, he hadn't officially announced yet so I wasn't going to say anything.16:07
DuncanTYup, sadly, I'm not able to do any reasonable numbe rof reviews16:07
jungleboyjDuncanT: :-(16:07
smcginnisDuncanT: You can do an unreasonable number if you want. :)16:07
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Hey, I like that idea.16:08
jungleboyjDuncanT:  You always found such good stuff.16:08
e0neDuncanT: :( I hope you'll find some time for specs reviews. they were extremly useful16:08
jungleboyje0ne:  ++16:08
DuncanTsmcginnis: Jay's email made it clear that reviews are needed by cores. It's fair enough but means I have to step down16:08
tommylikehue0ne: +116:08
DuncanTI'll keep my eye on specs when I can for sure... if I ever come back to cinder I don't want ot find it full of things I don't like ;-)16:09
jungleboyjI think it is important that the number of cores we have accurately reflects activity.  That, however, doesn't mean that I don'16:09
e0neDuncanT: :)16:09
smcginnisDuncanT: ;)16:09
jungleboyjt greatly appreciate any input that people can give and obviously we can add people back in, in the future.16:09
jungleboyjAnother option is to keep more cores on cinder-specs.16:10
e0nejungleboyj: +216:10
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e0nejungleboyj: for both your messages above16:10
smcginnisJust checked, and cinder-spec-core includes cinder-core, but explicitly has DuncanT. You're a double core there.16:10
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DuncanTcinder-specs is the only thing I have any input on these days, and would probably work for some of the cores who were avoiding +2s due to being out of touch with the code16:10
DuncanTDouble core? Awesome! /me updates his CV16:11
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Cool.16:11
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Is hard core.16:11
jungleboyjI would be fine with Leaving DuncanT as specs core given the help you have been giving there.16:11
e0nejungleboyj: +116:11
smcginnis++16:12
tommylikehu+116:12
jungleboyjDuncanT:  How does that sound?16:12
DuncanTSounds great to me. Cheers.16:12
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Cheers!  Would appreciate if you can continue to help with Specs.16:13
e0neDuncanT: hope to see you at PTG16:13
jungleboyje0ne:  ++16:13
DuncanTe0ne: Definitely, it's only up the road16:13
e0ne:)16:13
jungleboyjAnyway, for those stepping down, thank you for letting us know where your work has taken you.16:14
smcginnis++16:14
jungleboyjThank you for all of your previous contributions and time on Cinder!16:14
jungleboyjAnd as said before, we can always bring cores back in if priorities change.16:14
e0neand we'll be happy once you return to Cinder16:15
jungleboyje0ne:  +_16:15
jungleboyj++16:15
jungleboyjI am still waiting to hear back from a few people.  Will keep you all updated.16:15
jungleboyjAnymore questions/comments on this topic?16:16
jungleboyjOk, moving on.16:16
jungleboyj#topic Potential bug in API Return Values16:17
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jungleboyj#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/173760916:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1737609 in Cinder "Some APIs return None when missing permissions instead of raising 403" [Undecided,New]16:17
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:16:17
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jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  You still there?16:17
felipemonteiro_Thanks, provided launchpad link which should go into all necessary detail. Just want others' opinion before starting on the work.16:18
erlonhey16:18
felipemonteiro_I can summarize here too.16:18
e0nelooks like we need to fix it16:18
jungleboyjerlon:  Wlecome.16:18
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  Thank you for opening the bug.16:18
smcginnisfelipemonteiro_: A quick summary would be good.16:18
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erlonthanks16:18
tommylikehuit's a bug16:18
felipemonteiro_For two endpoints, policy enforcement is done with fatal=False; if it passes, a response body is returned.16:19
jungleboyjtommylikehu:  That was my feeling as well.16:19
felipemonteiro_If it fails, None is returned. Usually the behavior is raise 403.16:19
felipemonteiro_And fatal=False is mostly reserved for adding additional attributes to a response body... as far as *I* can tell16:19
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smcginnisSo the problem is if policy does not allow it, we return None.16:21
smcginnisI agree it's a bug. We should return {}16:21
felipemonteiro_This behavior is currently caught by Tempest since the rules are admin_or_owner rather than admin_only. But it is detected when you override the defaults to admin_only16:21
felipemonteiro_currently _not_ caught16:21
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Shouldn't we return a 403?16:22
smcginnisjungleboyj: Oh, right. Still need to really look at it, but yes, if they don't have permission, 403 would be accurate.16:23
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Ok, good.16:23
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  You mean not caught by tempest.16:24
felipemonteiro_Yes, sorry. not caught16:25
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  Ok good.16:25
felipemonteiro_Stacktrace in launchpad link was generated in my local env after changing the rules to admin_only16:25
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_: Ok.16:25
jungleboyjSo, I think the concensus is that it would return a 403 and that that is a valid bug.16:26
e0nejungleboyj: +116:26
smcginnisjungleboyj: +116:26
tommylikehu+116:26
felipemonteiro_Only two questions I had were: does the fix need a new microversion16:26
jungleboyjCool.  Do we have someone to assign the bug to?16:26
felipemonteiro_And: I can pick it up if need be, but don16:26
felipemonteiro_'t mind letting someone else do it either16:27
smcginnisfelipemonteiro_: No, shouldn't need a microversion since it is a bug.16:27
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  *phew*  Good answer.16:27
smcginnis;)16:27
jungleboyjWe do need to make sure that the documentation matches.16:27
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  If you are able to pick this up that would be great.16:28
felipemonteiro_jungleboyj: np, I'll assign it to myself16:28
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  Already done.16:29
jungleboyj:-)16:29
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felipemonteiro_thanks :)16:29
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jungleboyj#action jungleboyj  to update bug with notes from today's discussion.16:29
jungleboyj#action felipemonteiro_  To work on fixing the bug.16:29
jungleboyjfelipemonteiro_:  Thank you for bringing this up and fixing it!16:29
jungleboyjGlad to have your help.16:30
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felipemonteiro_np, we each have to chip in from time to time16:30
jungleboyjIndeed.  A community.16:30
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jungleboyjOk, so I think we are closed on that one.16:31
jungleboyj#topic NVMET target16:31
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jungleboyj#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505556/1016:31
jungleboyje0ne: ...16:31
e0nethanks16:31
e0neso, moshele is working on NVMeT target driver and CI16:31
smcginnise0ne: What is the state of the CI?16:32
e0nesmcginnis: I saw it reported so some patches for os-brick16:32
e0nesmcginnis: honestly, I'm not the right contact person to ask about CI16:33
e0neas I know, Mellanox team wants to get CI for it too16:33
smcginnisSo I do want this feature. But we've previously stated something like this is considered a new driver, and it has definitely not met the deadline to be included in Queens.16:33
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jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Yeah.  I wasn't even aware this was coming along.16:34
e0nesmcginnis: fair enough16:34
jungleboyje0ne:  Can we get this on the 'new driver' list ?16:34
jungleboyj#link:  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking16:35
e0nejungleboyj: sure, I'll add it there16:35
e0neand I still have some concerns about implementation16:35
jungleboyje0ne:  Thank you.16:35
e0nethe patch proposes 2 new config options: target_type and nvmeof_helper16:36
jungleboyj#action e0ne to add the NVMeT support as a new driver in the spec-review-tracking etherpad.16:36
e0newhat do you thing about changing current 'iscsi_helper ' option to target_helper' or 'target_driver'?16:36
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e0neof course, with following of all depecation policies16:37
jungleboyje0ne:  Wow, that would be quite the impact.16:37
smcginnise0ne: We could probably get those config deprecation/changes in this cycle, then pick up in Rocky for the rest of it.16:38
e0nejungleboyj: I was afraid of it:(16:38
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Yeah, if we are going to go that way, that would make sense.16:38
e0nesmcginnis: we can start work on it early in Rocky to get more time to fix is something will be brokeb16:38
smcginnisWorks for me.16:39
jungleboyje0ne:  I think that sounds like the best plan.  We should be stabilizing and it sounds like this could be destabilizing.16:39
e0ne@action e0ne to propose a patch with deprecation to see what will be broken. e.g. grenade16:39
e0ne#action e0ne to propose a patch with deprecation to see what will be broken. e.g. grenade16:39
e0nejungleboyj: thanks16:40
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jungleboyj#action driver to be targeted to merge early in Rocky16:41
jungleboyjIn the interest of continuing to reduce option sprawl it does make sense to rename the option.16:41
smcginnis++16:41
jungleboyjThough I don't know where that work is at.  I am guessing we will need someone to pick that work up from diablo_rojo16:42
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jungleboyje0ne:  Anything more on that topic ?16:42
e0nejungleboyj: no, that's all from my side16:42
e0nethank you for feedback16:43
jungleboyje0ne:  Great.  Thank you for being willing to let that go to Rocky.16:43
jungleboyjI do think it will be good to get that support in.  I know we are interested in it.16:43
e0nejungleboyj: I don't have an option. it's a cinder rules and deadlines :)16:43
smcginnis:)16:43
jungleboyj:-)16:43
jungleboyj#open discussion.16:44
jungleboyj#topic open discussion16:44
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smcginnisI want to make sure everyone is aware of this:16:44
smcginnis#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-December/125473.html16:44
* e0ne didn't read it yet16:44
* jungleboyj hasn't either16:45
smcginnisWe've been having discussions with a few vendors and users, but want to get this out there into the broader community.16:45
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smcginnisI'll take the silence to mean that everyone is reading it. :)16:46
smcginnisPlease feel free to respond to that thread or hit me up with any questions or concerns.16:46
tommylikehuincluding summit?16:47
smcginnisThe biggest one has been devs not wanting to lose the chance to get together as often. So just want to point out that this does bring back the option for midcycles.16:47
* jungleboyj is reading.16:47
smcginnisAnd they would actually be encouraged for some teams.16:47
smcginnistommylikehu: Summits and the Forum would still be twice yearly. At least for now.16:47
SwansonCool. So next release after queens is March 2019?16:48
smcginnisSwanson: If we can get buy in on this, yes.16:48
smcginnisWell, I should kind of correct that actually.16:48
smcginnisNext *coordinated* release would be March 2019.16:48
smcginnisBut we would actually be encouraging teams to release more frequently.16:49
smcginnisJust not necessarily as a coordinated release across all projects.16:49
Swansonsmcginnis, Nice. Should mean that I have 11 1/2 months of what they want me on before frantically powering hardware back on.16:49
DuncanTLack of coordinated release is likely to shake up downstreams, but that is likely not a bad thing16:49
smcginnisSo March 2017 will be Cinder 13.0.0 I think. We could potentially have a 13.1.0 release a few months later that adds some drivers.16:49
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jungleboyjYou mean March 2018?16:50
smcginnisDuncanT: Agreed. But we have spoken to several of the big distros, and so far at least most are happy with this change.16:50
smcginnisjungleboyj: Bah! Yep.16:50
jungleboyj:-)16:50
jungleboyjSo, this really starts a process that has been in the making where the projects are more under their own control.16:51
smcginnisjungleboyj: Exactly! At least that's one big aspect of it.16:51
jungleboyjswift has been doing this for a while and they seem to do fine.16:51
xyang1Users will be happy with less number of upgrades to do16:51
jungleboyjI would miss having two PTGs, but we can then address that as a team.16:51
jungleboyjxyang1:  ++16:51
smcginnisSo we would at least have once a year sync up points for all the projects, but in the mean time, projects have more control over what they want to do.16:51
jungleboyjWe are growing up.16:52
e0neI like this proposal from vendor's side. need to think a bit more from the developer's perspective16:52
DuncanTI'm always a fan of loser coupling between projects, though it makes nova/keystone depreciations more complex16:52
smcginnisjungleboyj: We just need someone to host a midcycle in Ft Collins in Aug/Sept now.16:52
jungleboyjDuncanT:  Yeah, I am worried about the impact this will have on integration with Nova.16:52
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  :-)  Well, I am sure I can get Lenovo to host if we can't get anyone in Ft Collins16:53
jungleboyjWait, where is jgriffith !?!16:53
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smcginnisjgriffith's barn should be big enoug for us all.16:53
e0ne:)16:53
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++16:53
jungleboyjHe isn't here to fight ...16:53
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Thank you for bringing this up.  I thought it was kind of silly at first but when it is put down this way it seems like it could be a good thing.16:54
smcginnis5 minute warning.16:55
smcginnisjungleboyj: Yeah, the more we talked about it, the more it's made sense to me.16:55
jungleboyjCool.16:55
jungleboyjAnything else to cover?16:55
jungleboyje0ne:  What was your comment about Mellanox?16:55
jungleboyjThey want the NVMeT driver in as well?16:55
e0nejungleboyj: yes. actually, they are working on nvme target driver now16:56
jungleboyje0ne:  Ok, so you are just supporting that effort?16:56
smcginnisThey make NVMe adaptors, so yes, they want it in. :)16:56
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  Makes sense.16:56
e0nejungleboyj: unfortunately, moshele didn't manage to attend this meeting and ask me to help him16:56
jungleboyje0ne:  Is that moshele ?16:56
jungleboyje0ne:  Ok, where is he based?16:57
jungleboyjor she16:57
jgriffithI have zero concerns about integerations including Nova16:57
e0nejungleboyj: moshele is from Mellanox Tel Aviv team16:57
jgriffithirrelevant16:57
jungleboyjOk.  Hopefully moshele can attend the meeting more as we get closer to integrating .16:57
e0nejungleboyj: few years ago, I started work on NVMe PoC for Barcelona summit, so I just want to finish this :)16:57
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smcginnisjgriffith: You mean as far as NVMe support on the nova side?16:58
jungleboyjjgriffith: Good.  And about hosting the mid-cycle?  ;-)16:58
jgriffithno, sorry.. the looser coupling/scheduling thing16:58
smcginnis:)16:58
e0nesmcginnis:  here is a patch to nova https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482640/16:58
jungleboyjjgriffith: With how long it takes to get things in, it will probably be no different.16:58
smcginnisTheoretically, now that we have microversions it shouldn't really matter about coordinated releases for some of those kinds of things.16:59
smcginnisEither the support is there or not.16:59
jgriffithjungleboyj: that and the fact that things usually are driven the opposite direction16:59
e0nesmcginnis:  and os-brick part https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482642/16:59
smcginnisTime check.16:59
jgriffithand hey... that's why we have mv's :)16:59
smcginnise0ne: Thanks16:59
SwansonYou'll probably have to do something different for adding drivers.16:59
smcginnisjgriffith: :)16:59
jgriffithwhich I will propose again we abandon :)16:59
* jgriffith ducks17:00
jungleboyj:-)  Ok.  That is time.  I am stopping this while I can.17:00
jungleboyjThanks for a good meeting all.17:00
jgriffithhaha17:00
Swansontoodles17:00
smcginnisSwanson: We will need to discuss that some more. But we could theoretically just include drivers whenever they are ready. If thats what we want.17:00
jungleboyjThanks for bringing up the new schedule Sean.  Good stuff.17:00
jungleboyjsmcginnis:  ++17:00
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SotKno storyboard meeting this week, if you want to chat pop into #storyboard :)19:00
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notmynameswift team meeting itme21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec 13 21:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)"21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
timburkeyay! wooooo!21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
torgomatic.21:00
kota_hi21:01
rledisezo/21:01
acoleshere21:01
notmynametdasilva: cschwede: ?21:01
mattoliverauo/21:01
notmynameclayg: ?21:01
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claygyeah i'm here21:02
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notmynameagenda for this week is21:02
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:02
notmynameonly a couple of things on it, and follow-ups from last week21:03
notmyname#topic symlink status21:03
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notmynamepatch 23216221:03
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ - swift - Symlink implementation.21:03
notmynameis it merged yet?21:03
kota_not yet but close to land, imo21:03
notmyname(I mean, obviously not, but what do we need?)21:03
notmynameacoles: looks like you added a question to the meeting agenda21:03
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cleonghi21:04
acolesnotmyname: yes, about one last change that we should maybe squash in before symlink merges21:04
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notmynamecleong: welcome21:05
acolesw.r.t. how container sync translates symlink sysmeta to x-symlink-target21:05
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claygsymlinks is going to be so awesome21:06
acolesI have proposed that the symlink middleware should be deployed in container sync internal client pipeline (a) to avoid leaking symlink implementation detail to container sync and (b) to make it more explicit that symlinks are handled21:06
acoleshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/527126/21:06
patchbotpatch 527126 - swift - Use symlink in container-sync internal client pipe...21:06
clayg^ this is a pretty good idea21:06
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acolesTBH it was that way at some point - jrichli had a similar patch squashed in, then it changed21:07
claygusing the public api interface (which we have to maintain) is a minor reduction of coupling between components21:07
acolesthe reason i am pressing the point is that deciding on the approach NOW avoids an upgrade issue later if we delay the change21:07
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clayg@acoles or we carry the cruft21:08
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acolesclayg: yes. so lets just call it one way or the other21:08
claygacoles: the pipeline change could just keep importing from symlink mw until some undetermined time in the future after the sun goes out21:08
kota_one possible concern i had is it could cause operational failure, tho.21:09
claygkota_: +++21:09
notmynamekota_: how so?21:09
kota_exactly, it's tradeoff thing to leak the code into container-sync or configuration at internal-client.21:09
claygyou HAVE to add symlink to your pipeline (AND your container sync internal client pipeline) *after* you upgrade21:09
claygI think it's roughly the same thing with encryption and container sync yes?21:09
kota_the case I minded is operator sets the symlink to *proxy pipeline* but forget to set it in the internal-client pipeline.21:10
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claygoptional feature - and you have to add it to proxies and also to container sync21:10
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acolesclayg: yes, same with encryption21:10
kota_clayg: yes, same thing with encryption21:10
claygkota_: +1 if you don't put it in internal-client pipeline with acoles change you just double copy objects instead of sync'ing symlinks21:10
claygkota_: not trivial to fix... but... I think we have some precedence... swift is sadly not known for being easy to configure21:11
notmynameask for a new feature to be enabled by putting it in two places doesn't seem too bad21:11
kota_so it's why I just thought it can be acceptable just one line leak to the container-sync21:11
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claygnotmyname: I agree it's not bad - but maybe having container sync import mw code isn't so bad *either*21:11
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claygacoles: just needs the decision hammer - squash or not - either way symlinks is going to be awesome21:11
timburkewhat else uses internal-client.conf? will they need to know about symlinks, too?21:12
m_kazuhirosorry I'm late.21:12
claygkota_: I think your judgement is reasonable21:12
claygtimburke: expiring objects?  no?21:12
claygtimburke: reconciler... probably?  shit...21:12
kota_welcome m_kazuhiro!21:12
notmynameadmittedly, I haven't done a deep examination of the symlink patch. but thinking of it from the perspective of docs (or just explaining it), it seems that explicitly adding it to two places is simplest. otherwise we've got additional things to carry in our head forever about interdependencies of code21:13
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m_kazuhirokota_: o/21:13
claygnotmyname: seems pretty justifiable stance to tae21:13
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claygnotmyname: "you want symlinks great - put it in all your piplines and the code will do the right thing!  forget it in some pipeline and you screwed up"21:13
kota_notmyname: fair point21:13
claygi remember it was huge pain to unerstand all of the coupling of SLO with container sync21:14
notmynameyeah, it would be different if it were an existing feature (like DLO)21:14
clayg... it has the extra complexity of out of order segment & manifest syncing - but the coupling there is bananas (again it's "just one line" but the ramifications were huge )21:14
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kota_perhaps, I can make a follow up to add warning and sample config for internal-client pipeline for container-sync21:14
claygnotmyname: I think long term the "answer" might be making symlinks NOT optional21:15
kota_warning if you missed to configure the pipeline.21:15
claygnotmyname: timburke is trying to do the same thing for SLO I think21:15
notmynameyep, I like that too :-)21:15
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claygnotmyname: because "swift api" should be "swift api"21:15
mattoliveraukota_: good idea, like we do for encryption in the sample config21:15
notmynameyep21:15
notmynamekota_: yeah, that sounds like a good idea21:15
claygit's nice to add things as "experimental" or "optional" but at some point it's like ... yeah you need this thing in your swift21:15
timburkeclayg: makes me think of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504472/ ...21:15
patchbotpatch 504472 - swift - Shorten typical proxy pipeline.21:15
claygtimburke: that's pretty cool!21:16
notmynameso, make it an explicit thing to be added now, then later make it required everywhere21:16
clayg*starred*21:16
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notmynametimburke: yeah, I *so* want that21:16
acoleskota_: I think having commented sections in internal-client.conf-sample with note about when they might need to be uncommented would be great21:16
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kota_acoles: sure. that's what I thought.21:17
claygm_kazuhiro: do you have any *reservations* about merging in acoles file work on the container-sync pipeline?  notmyname wants to make the call to squash and we *__ALL__* want symlinks to merge!21:17
claygacoles: you already have all that in your patch tho yeah?21:17
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acolesclayg: IIRC I have plenty of doc but not the comments in the actual conf sample21:17
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acolesbut it has occurred to me since that doing that for encryption also would be good21:18
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m_kazuhiroclayg: What reservation means?21:18
notmynamehesitations or concerns21:18
acolesand perhaps also in proxy-server.conf sample, add notes that 'if you enable this here you may want to enable it in internal client config too'21:18
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notmynamem_kazuhiro: kota_: I feel like that conversation went pretty quickly. let me know when you've caught up and are comfortable21:20
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kota_notmyname: no objection from me. it's fair enough and make sense what way we should go.21:20
notmynamerledisez: do you have any concerns, operator-wise, with adding the symlink entry into both proxy configs and also internal-client configs?21:20
m_kazuhiroclayg: notmyname: I see. I don't have reservations.21:20
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kota_notmyname: please go a head the meeting21:21
notmynamewaiting on rledisez now :-) (he said he was here for the meeting)21:21
rlediseznotmyname: nope. if documented and set by default in a consistent way, no concerns at all21:21
notmynamegreat!21:21
notmynameok, so it sounds like everyone is good with an explicit symlinks mention21:22
notmynamewho's going to squash the patch?21:22
notmynameacoles: ? m_kazuhiro: ? kota_: ?21:22
acolesI can21:22
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kota_notmyname: just talked with m_kazuhiro in internal chat about that21:23
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kota_acoles: thanks!21:23
m_kazuhiroacoles: Thank you very much!21:23
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notmynameeverything sounds good. is there anything else to bring up on the symlinks patch in this meeting?21:23
acolesm_kazuhiro: no problem, thank you for driving symlinks to completion21:23
notmynameI'll bring it up next week and expect it to be on master by then :-)21:24
acolesand kota_ , tdasilva too21:24
kota_:-)21:24
notmynameall right, if nothing else, let's move on21:24
notmyname#topic SLO data segments patch21:24
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notmynamepatch 36537121:24
patchbothttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ - swift - Add support for data segments to SLO and Segmented...21:24
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notmynameit also has not landed yet21:25
timburkeand it has a pre-req: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512804/21:25
notmynameIIRC timburke was going to look at it too21:25
patchbotpatch 512804 - swift - Add base64decode function to common/utils21:25
notmynameah right21:25
timburke(pretty painless pre-req, though)21:25
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notmynameI'll look at the pre-req one this week21:26
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notmynameis there anyone else who can too? (looks like an easy review)21:26
notmynamedid I just curse it?21:26
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notmynamewooo... such commitment ;-)21:27
claygi'd be ok doing the *pre-req* :P21:27
notmynamethanks :-)21:28
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notmynametimburke: you still ok with reviewing the data segments one?21:28
notmynameI know you were pretty involved, but IMO it's ok21:28
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kota_i could take a time to look at them.21:28
notmynameok, thanks kota_21:29
kota_(expecting symlink will land soon)21:29
notmyname#topic open discussion21:29
timburkeyeah -- i'm still a little hesitant to +A in light of how many of the recent patchsets i pushed, but i'm looking at it now21:29
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notmynameanything else to bring up?21:29
notmynameacoles: you're getting back into container sharding, right?21:29
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acolesnotmyname: yes, ramping up again and in particular working on delete21:30
mattoliverau\o/21:30
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acolesthere's a new trello card with some thoughts on managing to delete a sharded container without having to fix sysmeta deletion etc21:30
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mattoliverauacoles: I'll take a look and maybe comment today21:31
notmyname#link https://trello.com/b/z6oKKI4Q/container-sharding21:31
acolesso we'll warm up feature/deep again (I know mattoliverau did some work while we went quiet - thanks mattoliverau )21:31
mattoliveraunot as much as I'd have liked.. but works got me busy :(21:31
notmynameany other topics from anyone?21:31
timburkeoh yeah, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478611/ would probably be nice...21:31
patchbotpatch 478611 - python-swiftclient - Allow for object uploads > 5GB from stdin.21:32
acoleshttps://trello.com/c/SDCjvOyt/135-dont-delete-shards-when-marking-root-as-deleted21:32
mattoliveraubut have a new manager so might be able to get more swift time in21:32
notmynameyay!21:32
* kota_ wanted to get s3api progress if tdasilva is here but it doesn't seem he is here, today.21:33
timburkei might try to get to that this week, though maybe peoplewould be more interested in me actually finishing the bimodal-access docs i'd mentioned last week...21:33
notmynamekota_: I'll put it on next week's agenda21:33
timburkekota_: i was thinking about that recently, too :-)21:33
kota_notmyname: :-)21:33
kota_timburke: ^^^21:33
notmynamelooks like that's it, then21:34
notmynamethanks everyone for coming. thanks for working on swift!21:34
notmyname#endmeeting21:34
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timburkehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/525770/ might be nice... or at least worht thinking about...21:34
patchbotpatch 525770 - swift - tempurl: Make the digest algorithm configurable21:34
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