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mlavalle#startmeeting neutron_drivers14:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Oct 27 14:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'14:00
yamamotohi14:00
slaweq_hello14:00
mlavallehi yamamoto14:00
mlavallehi slaweq_14:00
mlavalleamotoki: ping14:01
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amotokihi14:02
mlavalleI don't see ihrachys or armax around14:02
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mlavallelet's give them a couple of minutes14:02
mlavalleamotoki, yamamoto: you going to Sydney?14:02
mlavalleslaweq_: you?14:02
yamamotono14:02
amotokiyes, i will be there14:02
slaweq_mlavalle: no14:02
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amotokiit seems most folks focus on PTGs now14:04
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mlavalleyeah, if you have to choose between the 2 and you are a dev, the PTG makes more sense14:05
mlavalleok, let's get going14:05
mlavalleRFEs to review today are: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe14:06
mlavalleFirst one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/169042514:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1690425 in neutron "[RFE] neutron cells aware" [Wishlist,Triaged]14:06
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mlavalleFor this one I did a little bit of research in terms of the Tricircle option14:07
mlavalleIt hasn't been deployed in production yet. But it has a non open source predecessor it is based on, Cascading14:08
amotokime either, but I can say nova and neutron are two main projects which heavily use MQ and DB14:08
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mlavallewhich is in production in 5 public clouds, including Huawei's14:09
amotokiI think we can talk about tricircle as a separate topic as it provides a different focus. AFAIK, it is a API proxy in front of multiple openstack clouds, right?14:09
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mlavalleJoe Huang of Huawei is going to get me more data in terms of scale achieved in those deployments14:10
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mlavalleyes, although there is an effort to align it with Nova Cells. I think one of the links I posted referes to taht14:11
mlavallehttps://docs.openstack.org/tricircle/latest/install/installation-guide.html#work-with-nova-cell-v2-experiment14:11
mlavalleit is experimental as well14:11
amotokiwhile It sounds an interesting thing, I wonder what is a good start.14:13
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mlavalleamotoki: do you have a suggestion for a good start in mind?14:14
amotokiIMHO we can start cells support in one OpenStack clouds. it means we can start from what nova does.14:14
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mlavalleyeah, I agree14:14
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amotokiIIUC, nova faces some difficulties by spreading out their db into multiple parts14:15
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mlavalleyes, that is the reason I also posted a pointer to a Cells V2 document14:15
mlavallehttps://docs.openstack.org/nova/pike/user/cellsv2_layout.html14:16
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mlavallehere they have the concept of superconductor, for the entire deployment, and conductor, for each cell14:16
mlavalleand also API DB (the whole deployment) and cells DBs14:16
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mlavalleThere is a nice graphic in that doc that illustrates the entire thing14:17
amotokiperhaps we can start to explore cells supports by studying how we can support the same model as nova.14:18
amotokifor example, how does parent MQ and DB affect neutron?14:18
mlavallemeaning an API DB and cells DB?14:19
amotokiexactly14:19
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mlavallearmax made the point last time we discussed this that the DB is not a problem in our case14:19
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mlavallethat our bottleneck is the messaging bus14:20
amotokigood point14:20
mlavallethat is why https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0fwHr8XC1I14:20
mlavalleis an alternative14:20
mlavalleSo I guess to move ahead the first step would be to decide whether we agree that in our case the DB is not the problem14:21
mlavalleif the answer to that is yes, then the messaging alternative pointed out ^^^ might be a good approach14:22
amotokii think a balance of load pressures from nova and neutron is one of key points.14:22
amotokiis it better to ask their experiences from operators for performance?14:23
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mlavalleyeah. Actually that is a conversation we might want to try to have in Sydney14:23
amotokithe number of compute nodes is an important factor14:24
amotokipersonally i have no good data on this. our cloud with 500 nodes (one region) works well so far.14:25
mlavallethere is also a cells V2 session scheduled in Sydney: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/6014:25
mlavalleok, I will update the RFE with two next steps if you all agree: 1) seek feedback from operators14:26
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mlavalle2) catch up with the Nova team in Sydney about the status of Cells V214:27
amotokiagree14:27
mlavallemakes sense?14:27
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mlavalleyamamoto: what do you think?14:27
amotokiyes14:27
yamamotosounds reasonable14:27
mlavallecool :-)14:27
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mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/169249014:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1692490 in neutron "[RFE] Ability to migrate a non-Segment subnet to a Segment" [Wishlist,Triaged]14:28
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mlavalleThe way I read this originally made me think it was not possible14:29
mlavallemoving from an arbitrary number of segments in a network to associating segments to subnets14:30
amotokii am not sure this is a common case.14:31
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mlavallebut if all they want to do is to move from one segment / subnet to a sitatuion where the segment is associated to the subnet, it is a pretty easy thing to do, isn't it?14:32
mlavalleit is an update to the API14:33
mlavalleis that your reading yamamoto?14:33
yamamotoyes14:33
amotokiperhaps we first need to clarify what we assumed when network segment support was implemented.14:34
mlavalleyou mean clarify in the RFE?14:34
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amotokiyeah14:35
mlavalleyeah, I was going to propose that14:35
amotokii wonder we can avoid the sitaution by the order of operations14:35
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amotokior it happens easily14:35
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amotokii haven't checked the detail of this RFE yet. I need to think more14:36
mlavallewe can ask the submitter to clarify exactly what he wants to do and go from there14:36
mlavallemakes sense?14:36
yamamotomlavalle: +114:36
amotokiyes14:36
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mlavalleok, I will update the RFE wit a request for clarification14:37
amotokiclarifying operation scenario really wil help us14:37
mlavallefeel free to add questions of your own14:37
mlavalleamotoki: yeah, go ahead and add a question there if you want14:37
amotokisure14:37
mlavallecool14:38
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mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/170508414:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1705084 in neutron "[RFE] Allow automatic sub-port configuration on the per-trunk basis in the trunk API" [Wishlist,Triaged]14:39
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amotokiregarding this, I tend to agree with yamamoto that this is not a job of neutron in general.14:42
mlavalleyes I also lean towards that14:43
amotokido we support similar things via metadata API? anyway this is also what nova metadata API returns14:43
mlavalleany thoughts yamamoto? should we decline this one?14:44
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yamamotoi think so. it's basically a metadata which neutron itself doesn't use.14:45
mlavalleamotoki: agree?14:46
amotokii agree to declient it14:46
mlavalleme too14:46
yamamotoif we need something like this, it should be designed to be more generic.14:47
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amotokithere are three ways to provides configurations to a guest: config driver, metadata API and information retrieved via API14:47
amotokiif our API does not provide enough information, we need to improve it, but I don't think this is the case.14:48
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amotokis/driver/drive/14:48
-amotoki- tends to type 'drive' as 'driver' :(14:48
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mlavalleLOL14:49
mlavalleok, moving on14:49
mlavalleNext one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/170546714:49
openstackLaunchpad bug 1705467 in neutron "[RFE] project ID is not verified when creating neutron resources" [Wishlist,Triaged]14:49
mlavalleyamamoto: do you know if that nova spec got ever implemented?14:51
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yamamotoit has been implemented.14:51
yamamotopartially or fully, i don't know14:51
mlavalledo you think we should follow suit?14:52
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yamamotoi'm not sure.  it depends on how often it needs to be executed.  ie. the load increase on keystone is accepted or not14:53
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mlavallethta's a good point14:54
amotokithis is really tricky. I to agree to follow it in general as admin operations would be predictable14:54
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amotokiI tend to agree*14:54
yamamotoin case of nova those operations are not frequently used i guess14:54
amotokiyamamoto: yes14:55
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amotokion the other hand, there are some cases we create resources in GET operations. this is the corner case like SG14:55
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mlavalleif load on Keystone is our concern, we could make it configurable14:55
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amotokiif it is limited to global admin, it is not a problem.14:56
amotokiif it is allowed to domain admin, it might be a problem14:56
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amotokias they are not cloud admin14:56
yamamotowe need this only when the resource project-id is not same as the requester's, right?  i wonder how often it's the case.14:56
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mlavalleright14:57
amotokisome weird situation is "typo"14:57
amotokiassume a user issues a CLI like 'neutron auto-allocated-topology-show bbbbbbb'14:58
amotokiif it causes a problem, we need to avoid it14:58
amotokithere is something OSC/CLI can do in CLI side though14:58
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amotokii would like to think more what are cases where real problems happen.14:59
amotokimore input and clarification would be helpful15:00
mlavallecool, would you post some comments there?15:00
mlavalleand we pick up from here next week15:00
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amotokias far as the reported case, I can guard this in OSC side15:00
mlavalleplease comment that in the RFE15:00
amotokisure15:00
mlavalleyamamoto: you agree?15:01
yamamotoyes15:01
mlavalleok, thanks for attending15:01
amotokithanks15:01
mlavallewill continue next Thursday15:01
mlavalleo/15:01
mlavalle#endmeeting15:01
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smcginnis#startmeeting releaseteam15:01
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smcginnisDang it, someone cleared my ping list. :)15:02
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* mlavalle apologizes. won't do it again next time :-(15:02
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smcginnismlavalle: You're fine. We never really need a full hour anyway.15:02
smcginnisAgenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-relmgt-tracking15:03
smcginnisWe are in week R-1815:03
fungismcginnis: i have a timed ping anyway, so no worries15:03
smcginnisSo pretty quiet week. :D15:03
smcginnis#topic Queens-1 remaining items15:03
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* dhellmann wants to live in smcginnis' alternate universe15:04
smcginnis;)15:04
ttxtripleo and sahara should be good to go15:04
ttxthe other 3 are still blocked afaict15:04
smcginnisI think it's been kind of implied, but we're going to still do some of those today even though it's Friday, right?15:04
dhellmannthose telemetry projects (aodh, etc.) have been publishing to pypi from the beginning, irrc15:04
dhellmannit seems a lot less risky to release on fridays with the constraints system in place15:05
smcginnis++15:05
dhellmannand services aren't that big of an issue anyway, right?15:05
ttxright15:05
smcginnisRight, shouldn't be.15:05
dhellmannit would be good to finish q1 before we all leave for sydney15:05
ttxI'm all for +2a those two15:05
smcginnisI sure hope Q-1 is done before I land in Sydney.15:06
smcginnisI think for the most part, our remaining issues are all just mismatches between service types and pypi jobs.15:06
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ttxarh dhlemmbeat me to the recheck15:06
dhellmannI rechecked sahara15:06
smcginnisNothing scary that I've noticed so far.15:06
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ttxtab fail15:06
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smcginnisSo we have a good list on the etherpad. Let's work our way through that today.15:07
fungiso is the suspicion that these service types were mismatched to begin with, or that we somehow regressed them with the conversion to zuul v3 native job definitions?15:07
dhellmannmonasca-ui should jus tneed a release-type set15:07
smcginnis(let's meaning I will unless someone else beats me to it)15:07
smcginnisGuest53850: There were some of that.15:07
smcginnisOops, sorry Guest5385015:08
smcginnisTab fail for me as well.15:08
smcginnisfungi: There was some of that.15:08
ttxsmcginnis: feeling lucky? you can approve the tripleo one15:08
fungithat's it, new tab keys for everbody15:08
fungier, everybody15:08
smcginnisAnd some were publishing to pypi on purpose.15:08
smcginnisHah, new keyboard for you too fungi.15:08
smcginnisttx: Yeah, probably time to bite the bullet on that one.15:08
fungiyup, i'm due15:08
* lbragstad puts in an order for limit one cherry blue tab key15:09
smcginnisEmilienM has been waiting patiently.15:09
dhellmannyeah, it was a little bit of everything but I think more of the mismatches were intentional than we realized and were only exposed with the changes in the validation in the releases repo15:09
smcginnislbragstad: :)15:09
EmilienMo/15:09
smcginnis#topic Standing known issues15:09
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smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/release-job-failures15:10
smcginnisI've been adding a few things there.15:10
fungito explain the situation with the job matching, the way things were built up in v2 was through composing a set of discrete jobs so teh translation to v3 where those jobs could be successfully distilled into fewer job definitions meant attempting to find common patterns across projects as to which ones applied which combinations of jobs. since there wasn't great consistency to start with, i think15:10
fungisome (incorrect) guesses were made in places15:10
smcginnisI do have a project-config change for vitrage, but maybe I should just fix the deliverable to publish to pypi. Thoughts on that?15:10
smcginnisfungi: Yeah, totally reasonable and understandable.15:11
dhellmannoh, hrm, yeah, I just updated monasca-ui's release request to set the release-type to python-pypi but maybe that's the wrong change15:11
fungii think the end result though is that we're getting better consistency (finally) across the board15:11
smcginnisI think what we're seeing now is just the effects of trying to apply consistency to what was not consistent before.15:11
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fungiright, that15:12
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smcginnisdhellmann: Not sure. At this point maybe changing the deliverables is the path of least resistance.15:12
* fungi checks to see if release job failures are getting e-mailed again15:13
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smcginnisfungi: Oh yes, they are. They very much are. :)15:13
fungiooh!15:13
fungi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/release-job-failures/2017-October/date.html#start15:13
fungiindeed15:13
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dhellmannmonasca-ui has been published to pypi in the past, so maybe that's right15:14
smcginnisdhellmann: Works for me.15:14
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dhellmanndo you want to go through them all together here, or one by one after the meeting15:14
smcginnisWe can probably do that post-meeting.15:15
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smcginnis#topic Discuss RelMgt team Sydney Forum sessions coverage15:16
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smcginnisttx: Want to cover this?15:16
ttxsure15:16
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ttxI tried to flag sessions of potential interest for us15:16
ttxI have te first and last on my agenda15:17
ttxnot sure about the middle two15:17
smcginnisThose two are also if interest to me.15:17
ttxalso if I miss anything let me know15:17
smcginnisAnd one of the biggest issues raised by the ops midcycle folks.15:17
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smcginnisttx: That TC session email helped as well. Thanks for compiling those lists.15:18
smcginnisI still need to build my schedule for Sydney.15:18
dhellmannI have conflicts for the middle 215:19
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dhellmannI'll make sure pkovar sees the release notes & docs item15:19
smcginnisI'm assuming the zuul v3 one should have a lot of infra folks interested in it.15:20
fungithere's always room for zuul15:20
ttxzuulv3 I think we can skip, we sould only be grumbling how how painful the transition was for us15:20
dhellmannmy only real feedback there is that the future looks bright but the present is a bit less so15:20
ttxwould*15:20
dhellmannwe're past the dystopian hellscape phase, I think15:20
smcginnisA bit of a transition period, but yeah, should be good in Rocky.15:20
ttxok, anything on your schedule that I should definitely be attending?15:21
dhellmannlunch15:21
smcginnis:)15:21
ttxdinner too15:21
dhellmannthere's a privsep session on monday15:21
ttxyes, I have it15:21
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ttxnote that I lost expertise on rootwrap once it grew the daemon mode and became fancy15:22
dhellmannthe stestr session may be interesting from a tc/project goals perspective15:22
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smcginnisI'll hopefully have a plan for the week figured out by the end of today.15:22
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dhellmannthe conflict on tuesday at 11:40 is the product working group15:22
smcginnisWould be good to have consistency across projects there.15:22
dhellmannI haven't decided whether to spend time on that again or not15:22
ttxheh15:22
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dhellmannmaybe I'll take my chances and hope that I miss something useful this time15:23
dhellmannsurprisingly I only have 3-4 time slots double booked this time15:24
smcginnisttx: Do we have attendance #'s for Sydney?15:24
smcginnisOr some way to know how many are there for the Forum?15:24
smcginnisJust in casual conversations, there are quite a few "regulars" that are not going this time.15:24
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ttxI don't have data yet no15:25
fungii'm hoping we make up for that with irregulars showing up15:25
ttxhaven't asked tbh15:25
dhellmannyes, the different mix will be interesting15:25
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fungiwell, we do know at least they project lower attendance just based on the space allocated and shortened duration15:25
fungibut as for specifics, no idea15:26
smcginnisWe will have some of the regular irregulars too. :)15:26
smcginnisOK...15:26
smcginnis#topic Skipping next two weeks meetings15:26
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smcginnisProbably a good idea.15:26
smcginnisIf anything comes up, we can just handle in channel.15:27
ttxok15:27
ttxwhen we get back to it, we'll all be off DST15:27
smcginnisWith everything else going on, probably won't have much need for regular meetings.15:27
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ttxso I was wondering if this hour would still work for yall15:27
fungii'll be on an airplane during the next meeting anyway, home for the second one but likely not very useful15:27
ttxIt works for me obviously15:27
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smcginnisYes, time will still work well for me after the switch.15:27
lbragstad++15:28
ttxdhellmann: ?15:28
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fungii have no conflicts sticking with 1500z on fridays15:28
ttxI know you have a meeting tunnel on Fridays15:28
dhellmannso, it will be an hour earlier in real life? or later?15:28
ttxit will be earlier15:28
dhellmannok, I can do that15:29
smcginnisFall back, so it will be 10 your time?15:29
dhellmannmy regular meeting in that hour has been rescheduled15:29
lbragstadafter DST, it will be later by an hour15:29
ttxok let's keep it then15:29
smcginnislbragstad: Oh right. :)15:29
dhellmannical says 10:00 on the 10th15:29
dhellmannand I have no conflicts then15:30
ttxtime to approve tripleo smcginnis15:30
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smcginnisYep, will do as soon as we're done. Unless you have it up and want to.15:30
smcginnis#topic Open discussion15:30
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smcginnisThat's it on the agenda. Anything else?15:30
ttxJust wanted to say thanks to both of you for fixing so many things over the past two weeks. It was hard to keep up with all you did while I was sleeping, so i could not help as much as I wanted15:31
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dhellmannnp; I wish it hadn't taken so long to sort out some of the issues, but I feel a lot better about where things stand today than last week15:32
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dhellmannbrb15:32
smcginnisAll thanks to dhellmann, fungi and the infra team.15:32
lbragstad++15:32
dhellmann++ thanks fungi15:32
dhellmannet al15:32
ttxack15:33
smcginnisAlright, I think we can wrap up and get back at it if that's all.15:33
smcginnisThanks everyone.15:33
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openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-10-27-15.01.txt15:33
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-10-27-15.01.log.html15:33
ttxthanks smcginnis for chairing15:33
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smcginnis;)15:34
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