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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 03:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-09-26_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
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| mkrai | o/ | 03:00 |
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| Shunli | o/ | 03:00 |
| kevinz | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining mkrai Shunli kevinz | 03:01 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | 1. Welcome Kien Nguyen to join the core team. | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | kiennt26: there? | 03:01 |
| kiennt26 | o/ | 03:01 |
| kiennt26 | hi | 03:01 |
| hongbin | kiennt26: welcome to the core team | 03:01 |
| mkrai | Congrats Kkiennt26 ! Welcome :) | 03:02 |
| kiennt26 | hongbin: thank you :D | 03:02 |
| Shunli | Congrats Kkiennt26 | 03:02 |
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| kevinz | welcome kiennt26 | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | i finish my announcement, any other announcement from our team member? | 03:02 |
| kiennt26 | mkrai, Shunli, kevinz: Thank you all. | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (hongbin) | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/direct-cinder-integration Direct Cinder integration | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/zun+branch:master+topic:bp/direct-cinder-integration | 03:03 |
| hongbin | we need reviews on these two patches in particular: | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499374/ | 03:04 |
| patchbot | patch 499374 - zun - Implement Cinder attach workflow | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499381/ | 03:04 |
| patchbot | patch 499381 - zun - Introduce Cinder volume driver | 03:04 |
| mkrai | I will try to do it this week | 03:04 |
| hongbin | these two patches are the being depended by other patches | 03:05 |
| hongbin | mkrai: thx | 03:05 |
| hongbin | that is all from my side | 03:05 |
| hongbin | any remark on this topic? | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:06 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/introduce-compose | 03:06 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:06 |
| kevinz | This week some patches have been merged. Thanks all for review :-) | 03:06 |
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| kevinz | I will modify the doc and add OSC support in zun-client | 03:07 |
| kevinz | And do some investigation about aci-k8s-connector | 03:07 |
| hongbin | kevinz: investigation on aci-k8s-connector would be cool ! | 03:08 |
| mkrai | +1 for aci-k8s-connector | 03:08 |
| kevinz | hongbin: it is an interesting topic :-) | 03:09 |
| hongbin | kevinz: yes, it is also a critical feature in zun | 03:09 |
| hongbin | kevinz: we count on you on that, i will give you some helps | 03:09 |
| kevinz | hongbin: absolutely | 03:09 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Thanks hongbin | 03:10 |
| hongbin | kevinz: np | 03:10 |
| kevinz | That's all from my side about capsule :-) | 03:11 |
| hongbin | thanks kevinz | 03:11 |
| kevinz | my pleasure | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #topic Add support for clear container (mkrai) | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add support for clear container (mkrai) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:11 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-secure-container | 03:12 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ^^ | 03:12 |
| mkrai | I didn't get time last week to make any progress on this | 03:12 |
| mkrai | I was trying to write patch to update the daemon.json to include the new runtime | 03:12 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes, that would be a good start | 03:13 |
| mkrai | I was stuck at the technical issue where modifying a json file was a problem | 03:13 |
| hongbin | what technical issue? | 03:14 |
| mkrai | How to modify a json file from shell script | 03:14 |
| mkrai | I tried to look for answers but didn't get much help | 03:14 |
| hongbin | if the file is static, we can simply dump the json text into the file | 03:15 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I can ping you offline for this | 03:15 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack | 03:15 |
| mkrai | That's all from me | 03:16 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Thank you | 03:16 |
| hongbin | thanks mkrai | 03:16 |
| hongbin | #topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou, Shunli) | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFV use cases (lakerzhou, Shunli) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:16 | |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-nfv-use-cases | 03:16 |
| hongbin | Shunli: have anything to update? | 03:16 |
| Shunli | Investigated the nova pci workflow last week. | 03:17 |
| hongbin | (lakerzhou is leaving these days for personal issues) | 03:17 |
| Shunli | working on the pci tracker. | 03:17 |
| hongbin | ok, everything on the right track? | 03:18 |
| Shunli | can get all the pci info by linux shell though it's a bit urgly. | 03:18 |
| Shunli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500418/ | 03:18 |
| patchbot | patch 500418 - zun - Port pci device objects from nova to zun | 03:18 |
| Shunli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505504/ | 03:18 |
| patchbot | patch 505504 - zun - port pci device pool from nova to zun | 03:18 |
| Shunli | these two patch need review. | 03:19 |
| Shunli | the later work depend on it. | 03:19 |
| Shunli | will port the pci stats and refine the pci tracker this week. | 03:20 |
| Shunli | hongbin: i think yes. | 03:20 |
| hongbin | Shunli: great | 03:20 |
| Shunli | that's all for me. | 03:20 |
| hongbin | Shunli: thanks for all the hard work on this, Shunli :) | 03:20 |
| Shunli | my pleasure. | 03:20 |
| Shunli | :) | 03:20 |
| hongbin | all, any other question for Shunli ? | 03:21 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:21 | |
| hongbin | any topic to bring up for discussion? | 03:22 |
| hongbin | seems no | 03:22 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting, see you next time | 03:22 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 03:23:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-26-03.00.html | 03:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-26-03.00.txt | 03:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-09-26-03.00.log.html | 03:23 |
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| samP | Hi all for Masakari | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | jo | 04:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | hi | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 04:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi all.. | 04:00 |
| abhishekk | o/ | 04:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:01 |
| samP | I took a week vacation after PTG...:p | 04:01 |
| abhishekk | great | 04:01 |
| samP | Hope you all doing good.. | 04:01 |
| samP | Let's start.. | 04:02 |
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| samP | #topic Bugs | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:02 | |
| samP | any bugs to discuss/ | 04:02 |
| samP | seems not. if any, please bring them up in AOB at end of the meeting | 04:03 |
| tpatil | https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1715486 | 04:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715486 in oslo.versionedobjects "py35 tests failing due to iso8601 module change" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to zhangyangyang (zhangyangyang) | 04:03 |
| tpatil | Are you working on this bug? | 04:03 |
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| samP | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501515/ | 04:04 |
| patchbot | patch 501515 - masakari - iso8601.is8601.Utc No Longer Exists | 04:04 |
| samP | ^^ here is the patch | 04:04 |
| tpatil | ok | 04:04 |
| rkmrHonjo | thanks, I'll review it after that. | 04:05 |
| samP | tpatil: rkmrHonjo thanks | 04:05 |
| samP | Any other items? | 04:05 |
| samP | OK then, | 04:06 |
| samP | #topic Discussion points | 04:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion points (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:06 | |
| samP | (1) Application for become OpenStack official project | 04:06 |
| samP | voting in progress. Now we have 4 tc votes and hopefully it will be approved within week or 2 | 04:07 |
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| samP | Other members from Suse, RedHat also gave there +1 for proposal. | 04:08 |
| tpatil | samP: Nice work!!! | 04:08 |
| abhishekk | good news | 04:08 |
| samP | In PTG, we presented the proposal to TC and had one questing about diversity of the core team | 04:08 |
| samP | current core team is only from NTT. | 04:09 |
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| samP | So, I asked Adam (Suse), whether he can join the core team and contribute to Masakari | 04:09 |
| samP | Answer was, Yes. I will propose him to core team in ML. Please cast your vote. Also, if you have any comment or objections please post them to ML | 04:10 |
| tpatil | Sure | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | ok. | 04:11 |
| samP | And, freezer-dr do some what similar things to masakari | 04:11 |
| samP | #link https://github.com/openstack/freezer-dr freezer-dr | 04:12 |
| samP | In PTG, me and Adam had discussion with Freezer PTL and he agree to take look at Masakari. | 04:13 |
| samP | Discussion will continue.. | 04:13 |
| samP | Currently, this has no effect on TC review process. | 04:13 |
| tpatil | Both the project goals are almost similar, can both projects exists in parallel? | 04:14 |
| samP | And masakari is part of self-healing SIG | 04:14 |
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| samP | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122215.html self-healing SIG | 04:15 |
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| samP | please read ^^ for what is self-healing SIG | 04:15 |
| rkmrHonjo | I got it. | 04:16 |
| samP | That's all form my side about TC proposal, any questions or comments? | 04:16 |
| samP | Or you may ask later... | 04:17 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil wrote his question. | 04:17 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: Got it..sorry | 04:17 |
| tpatil | Can both projects (freezer-dr and masakari) exists in parallel? | 04:17 |
| samP | tpatil: Thierry has discussed this with Freezer team. Still no question raised on this. | 04:18 |
| samP | tpatil: However, Freezer could have similar functions to provide site to site DR | 04:19 |
| samP | While Masakri maily focus on instance HA in single site. | 04:20 |
| samP | We will discuss this wit Freezer team. | 04:20 |
| tpatil | samP: Sure | 04:20 |
| samP | This discussion will continue on self-healing SIG | 04:21 |
| samP | I will share if any updates on this. | 04:21 |
| tpatil | samP: Thank you | 04:22 |
| samP | #topic Install guide document | 04:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Install guide document (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:22 | |
| tpatil | samP: I will watch this mailing thread | 04:22 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:22 |
| samP | For this topic, I must apologize to abhishekk | 04:22 |
| abhishekk | samP: no problem | 04:23 |
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| samP | He proposed docs with official project schema, and we decide not to use it, because we are not an official project | 04:23 |
| samP | However, in 1 or 2 weeks we are | 04:24 |
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| abhishekk | I guess we can easily revert it back, | 04:24 |
| samP | Then we are able to use official project schema | 04:25 |
| tpatil | abhishekk: Have you made any additional changes to the docs contents other than scheme changes? | 04:25 |
| samP | abhishekk: thanks. shall we wait until the TC diction? | 04:25 |
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| abhishekk | tpatil: yes, whole structure has changed | 04:25 |
| abhishekk | samP: yes we can wait till then | 04:26 |
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| tpatil | abhishekk: ok | 04:26 |
| samP | abhishekk: thanks | 04:27 |
| samP | #topic recovery method customization | 04:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recovery method customization (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:27 | |
| samP | tpatil: abhishekk any update on this? | 04:28 |
| tpatil | samP:abhishekk discussed this topic in PTG | 04:28 |
| tpatil | # link : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-ptg-queens | 04:28 |
| tpatil | samP: Our understanding was correct. There is a need to change setup.cfg, call mistral-db populate command and restart executor nodes | 04:29 |
| tpatil | samP: check line #72-#77 from above etherpad url | 04:29 |
| samP | tpatil: Got it. but what does it mean "generate OpenStack actions based on openstacklient" ? | 04:31 |
| tpatil | abhishekk: Any input on this point? | 04:32 |
| samP | Generate action upon the request from openstack client? | 04:32 |
| tpatil | samP: IMO, it could be about mapping methods exposed in openstackclient with the actions | 04:33 |
| abhishekk | this means, instead of calling actions of individual clients it will use openstack client | 04:33 |
| abhishekk | tpatil: correct | 04:34 |
| samP | tpatil: abhishekk thanks | 04:34 |
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| samP | So, how does it effect to our implementation? | 04:35 |
| samP | sorry for poor understanding on this. | 04:35 |
| tpatil | samP: I think we should create a new repository to add custom actions required by Masakari | 04:35 |
| tpatil | samP: it will be a library which should be installed on executor nodes | 04:36 |
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| tpatil | on masakari side, we will build a yaml to execute workflow | 04:36 |
| samP | tpatil: now I remember.. | 04:36 |
| samP | tpatil: got it.. | 04:37 |
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| tpatil | samP abhishekk has proposed the specs | 04:38 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/ | 04:38 |
| patchbot | patch 458023 - masakari-specs - Recovery method customization | 04:38 |
| samP | If end user wants use masakari and mistral, then user needs to install this lib | 04:38 |
| samP | we need to provide builds for this lib | 04:38 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks, I will review the spec | 04:38 |
| tpatil | samP: User means operator | 04:39 |
| samP | tpatil: yes | 04:39 |
| samP | Does any other project use same method? | 04:39 |
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| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: You have come across one project which uses same approach, correct? | 04:40 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: yes, tripleO, tripleO-common | 04:40 |
| abhishekk | glance_store is a library used by glance and glare | 04:40 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: abhishekk thanks | 04:40 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | #link https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-common | 04:40 |
| samP | do they maintain their own lib for this? | 04:41 |
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| abhishekk | yes | 04:41 |
| samP | abhishekk: Dinesh_Bhor: tpatil: thanks. I will take a look on those info | 04:42 |
| abhishekk | samP: glance_store does not use mistral but its a library and is used by two different projects | 04:42 |
| samP | abhishekk: yep..got it.. | 04:42 |
| samP | May be we nee to maintain the masakari driver for openstack-resource-agents also.. | 04:43 |
| samP | I will update on this later.. | 04:44 |
| tpatil | samP: I remember there was some discussion long back that openstack-resource-agents will provide a pluggable driver to send the notifications | 04:44 |
| tpatil | samP: Are you talking about the same? | 04:44 |
| samP | tpatil: yes.. same topic | 04:45 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:45 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo and I working on this with Adam | 04:45 |
| tpatil | samP: ok | 04:45 |
| tpatil | samP: Is the abstraction interface already defined? | 04:46 |
| tpatil | in openstack-resource-agents to send notifications | 04:46 |
| samP | tpatil: not yet. rkmrHonjo crate a PoC for this. Based on this we will discuss how to implement this feature | 04:47 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok, I got it | 04:47 |
| samP | I will share those info in ML | 04:47 |
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| tpatil | samP: thanks | 04:47 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: thanks. | 04:47 |
| samP | #topic Find hosts without specifying segments | 04:48 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: any update on this? | 04:48 |
| rkmrHonjo | yes. | 04:48 |
| rkmrHonjo | Takahara and I create a BP and spec. | 04:48 |
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| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506986/ | 04:48 |
| patchbot | patch 506986 - masakari-specs - Find segment by specifying host | 04:49 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Please review it. | 04:49 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: OK, I was looking in wrong place | 04:49 |
| samP | its on python-masakariclient.. | 04:49 |
| samP | I will approve thsi BP and review the patch set | 04:50 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:50 |
| samP | #topic Queens Work Items | 04:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens Work Items (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:50 | |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-queens-workitems | 04:51 |
| samP | First, lets finish the items "Started in Pike and incomplete" | 04:51 |
| samP | Didn't have much time to review all the items on the etherpad. | 04:52 |
| samP | Let's discuss the priority of "items skipped to Queens" and Newly proposed items in next week IRC | 04:53 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:53 |
| samP | I will sort them before that. | 04:53 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Agree. | 04:53 |
| samP | #topic BM HA (ironic + nova) | 04:53 |
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| tpatil | Add ssl support to Masakari API | 04:53 |
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| samP | tpatil: any comments on SSL support/ | 04:54 |
| tpatil | samP: This item is already implement in masakari, only devstack patch is pending | 04:54 |
| tpatil | abhishekk: Can you please follow-up on the devstack patch? | 04:55 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416009/ | 04:55 |
| patchbot | patch 416009 - openstack-dev/devstack - Ignores ssl configuration option added in local.conf | 04:55 |
| abhishekk | tpatil: that patch is old and now we need to use tls support in devstack | 04:55 |
| samP | tpatil: ok, | 04:56 |
| samP | abhishekk: is that the reason you put -1 to WF? | 04:56 |
| abhishekk | yes | 04:56 |
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| samP | abhishekk: can you update that patch? | 04:57 |
| abhishekk | samP: need to analyse how to use tls and then i will update the patch | 04:57 |
| samP | abhishekk: sure | 04:57 |
| samP | I add a note in therpad on this. | 04:58 |
| samP | to original topic: BM HA (ironic + nova) | 04:58 |
| samP | We had discussion with Ironic and Nova about this feature. | 04:59 |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-queens-ptg-feature-proposals see L #128 | 04:59 |
| samP | This proposal is to do HA manually. | 05:00 |
| samP | Please see the links for more details | 05:00 |
| samP | times up | 05:00 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 05:00 |
| samP | Lets's discuss further in ML and next meeting | 05:00 |
| abhishekk | thank you | 05:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | thank you all | 05:00 |
| samP | no time left, lets end the meeting here | 05:00 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 05:01:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-09-26-04.00.html | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-09-26-04.00.txt | 05:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-09-26-04.00.log.html | 05:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thank you. | 05:01 |
| rkmrHonjo | bye | 05:01 |
| samP | Thank you all.. | 05:01 |
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| chenying | #startmeeting karbor | 09:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 09:01:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is chenying. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:01 |
| chenying | hi | 09:01 |
| yuval | hey :) | 09:02 |
| chenying | hi | 09:02 |
| chenying | ping jiaopengju | 09:02 |
| jiaopengju | hi chenying | 09:02 |
| chenying | will gengchangcai attend this meeting? | 09:03 |
| jiaopengju | It seems he is not online | 09:03 |
| chenying | #topic •Adding more protection parameters retention period | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "•Adding more protection parameters retention period (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:04 | |
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| jiaopengju | I added this topic | 09:04 |
| jiaopengju | I have some different thoughts about retain_duration and max_backups | 09:05 |
| jiaopengju | chenying, yuval: Can you see the comments on that patch? | 09:06 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: yes | 09:06 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: max_duration can not be enforced if set on the 'protect' operation | 09:07 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: yes | 09:08 |
| yuval | my suggestion: create a 'retention_enforce' operation that deletes old checkpoints, based on time and maximum amount. Run it periodically | 09:08 |
| jiaopengju | chenying: I see your comments | 09:09 |
| yuval | we can also create a composite operation, called which is essentially a composite 'protect + retention_enforce' and call it when creating a checkpoint. That way if we surpass the maximum amount, old checkpoints will be deleted | 09:09 |
| chenying | add a new type operation with these parameters? | 09:09 |
| yuval | chenying: yes | 09:09 |
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| chenying | It seem a good way. I will not affect the current the 'protect' operation. | 09:10 |
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| yuval | it is important to note that currently in Karbor, 'delete' operation immediately triggers an actual delete. Originally, we spoke about marking the checkpoint as 'about to be deleted' and let garbage collection do the work later, as other sites might be accessing the checkpoint resources | 09:10 |
| jiaopengju | yuval chenying: I agree with ‘create a 'retention_enforce' operation that deletes old checkpoints, based on time and maximum amount. Run it periodically’ | 09:12 |
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| chenying | yuval You mean that his new type operation with parameters is a mixed operation, it can call delete or protect operation ? | 09:13 |
| yuval | chenying: I mean, that if it is important to you to delete old checkpoints immediately if 'max_backups' is violated, you can call 'protect + retention_enforce' composite operation | 09:14 |
| yuval | chenying: imo most people won't care | 09:14 |
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| chenying | Yes user may don't care. I agree that introducing a 'protect + retention_enforce' composite operation. | 09:15 |
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| chenying | We don't need add some handler in current protion pertion about the parameters about 'max_backups'. | 09:16 |
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| chenying | so what's your oppion? jiaopengju | 09:19 |
| jiaopengju | chenying yuval : composite operation may be easy to add. But may be a little strange. IMO, retention should be set to some specify resources. | 09:20 |
| jiaopengju | specify resources —> checkpoint | 09:20 |
| jiaopengju | As I wrote in the comments. For example, I create a checkpoint c1 and I want it can be deleted 5 days later. What should I do? | 09:21 |
| chenying | 'protect + retention_enforce' composite operation: protect opertion is creating new checkpoint periodically, retention_enforce handle the parameters. | 09:22 |
| jiaopengju | chengying: I know what you mean | 09:23 |
| chenying | now we only consider add the policy parameters like max_backups and retention_duration for the time scheduled operation. | 09:24 |
| jiaopengju | chenying: Maybe what I concerned about is not the same use case with the specs | 09:24 |
| chenying | You want to set some policy parameters like max_backups and retention_duration for the single creating checkpoint API? | 09:25 |
| jiaopengju | yes. | 09:26 |
| jiaopengju | like swift object expiration | 09:27 |
| chenying | In karbor, we will not consider set some policy for single checkpoint API only. All these parameters need be considered in scheduled operation API. | 09:27 |
| jiaopengju | If so, composite operation may be suitable | 09:28 |
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| chenying | IMO, the parameters like max_backups and retention_duration are the addition policy for time scheduled operation. | 09:29 |
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| jiaopengju | chenying: agree | 09:30 |
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| chenying | so composite operation for this usecase. | 09:30 |
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| chenying | #topic Open Discussion | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:32 | |
| chenying | yuval jiaopengju do you have anything want to discuss? | 09:32 |
| yuval | yes | 09:32 |
| yuval | First I would like to congratulate jiaopengju for the Karbor core role | 09:33 |
| jiaopengju | thank you yuval :) | 09:33 |
| chenying | congratulations. | 09:33 |
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| jiaopengju | chenying yuval: it’s my honour to work with you guys | 09:34 |
| yuval | Second, I'll be leaving my current company in the beginning of November, and probably won't have time to continue contributing much to Karbor | 09:34 |
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| jiaopengju | sad to hear that | 09:35 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: but congratulations to your new job | 09:36 |
| yuval | I'm convinced that chenying can lead this project flawlessly | 09:36 |
| chenying | It's a pleasure working with you, yuval/ | 09:36 |
| yuval | chenying: jiaopengju: thank you :) | 09:36 |
| yuval | chenying: jiaopengju: pleasure working with you too | 09:37 |
| yuval | that's it | 09:37 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: :) | 09:37 |
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| chenying | yuval congratulations on your new job. welcome to china for traveling. | 09:39 |
| yuval | chenying: thank you =D | 09:40 |
| chenying | so do we have anything else to discuss? If not I wll end this meeting. | 09:40 |
| chenying | #endmeeting | 09:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 09:41:38 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-09-26-09.01.html | 09:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-09-26-09.01.txt | 09:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-09-26-09.01.log.html | 09:41 |
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| ruijie_ | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 13:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruijie_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| ruijie_ | evening :) | 13:00 |
| XueFeng | hi, ruijie | 13:01 |
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| ruijie_ | hi XueFeng | 13:01 |
| Qiming | HELLO | 13:01 |
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| ruijie_ | hi Qiming | 13:01 |
| XueFeng | hello, Qiming | 13:01 |
| ruijie_ | let's get started :) | 13:02 |
| ruijie_ | the tempest plugin | 13:03 |
| ruijie_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506550/ | 13:03 |
| patchbot | patch 506550 - governance - Add senlin-tempest-plugin to project list | 13:03 |
| ruijie_ | this patch is under reviewed | 13:03 |
| ruijie_ | another one is abuot the lb policy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504548/ | 13:04 |
| patchbot | patch 504548 - senlin - Add code to fix the problem that support existed l... (MERGED) | 13:04 |
| ruijie_ | sorry I merged it myself .. | 13:04 |
| Qiming | it's fine, it looks okay to me | 13:04 |
| Qiming | do you still have some concerns? | 13:04 |
| ruijie_ | yes, since that improvement could be proposed later | 13:05 |
| ruijie_ | another thing is the schedule of the meetup | 13:05 |
| ruijie_ | :) | 13:05 |
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| ruijie_ | so, the 2nd weekend of Oct is a little bit early, I guess | 13:07 |
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| ruijie_ | about that patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504548/2/senlin/policies/lb_policy.py, can we just ignore the error when attaching? | 13:12 |
| patchbot | patch 504548 - senlin - Add code to fix the problem that support existed l... (MERGED) | 13:12 |
| XueFeng | Hi, ruijie_, how about the main works this cycle? | 13:12 |
| Qiming | I replied on the mailinglist, I won't be able to join you if it is scheduled on Oct 14/15 | 13:12 |
| Qiming | I will be traveling to Wuhan | 13:12 |
| ruijie_ | yes Qiming, I saw the e-mail, the schedule is flexable, so that we all can join it | 13:13 |
| ruijie_ | XieFeng, actually, the meetup is aim to discuss features | 13:14 |
| XueFeng | ok | 13:14 |
| ruijie_ | may need to talk to each other, we have options | 13:15 |
| ruijie_ | if we cannot get most of up together, then we can use zoom or something to have a virtual meeting | 13:15 |
| ruijie_ | up/us | 13:15 |
| Qiming | one week later would be good for me | 13:16 |
| XueFeng | Better to together | 13:16 |
| ruijie_ | yes Qiming, XueFeng, I did't get all the replies | 13:16 |
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| ruijie_ | okay, Qiming, XueFeng, I am going to ping everyone to check the schedule and opinions :) | 13:19 |
| Qiming | thanks | 13:19 |
| ruijie_ | that's my job :) | 13:19 |
| ruijie_ | about the patch we just talked about, I received e-mail from Tingting Yu | 13:20 |
| ruijie_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504548/ | 13:20 |
| patchbot | patch 504548 - senlin - Add code to fix the problem that support existed l... (MERGED) | 13:20 |
| ruijie_ | the patch itself is fine, about the TODO in commonts, that is not easy to roll back | 13:21 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | some nodes successfully joined the LB pool, others failed | 13:22 |
| ruijie_ | yes, need to erase the lb info in node.data either | 13:23 |
| ruijie_ | can we just ignore the error, since we support cluster_recover in lb policy | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | we may need a design on how to handle such kinds of partial failures | 13:30 |
| ruijie_ | em.. that may be fine we have 10 nodes in the cluster and in the attaching process, 9 success, 1 fail | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | it may be and may be not okay | 13:33 |
| Qiming | really depends on the usage scenario | 13:33 |
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| ruijie_ | but we can recover the failed nodes later | 13:36 |
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| ruijie_ | we do not know whether the lb service went down, or just network problems, but we can be optimistic and provide methods to recover it? | 13:37 |
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| ruijie_ | will think about it latter :) Qiming, XueFeng: that's all from my side | 13:41 |
| Qiming | yes, it makes sense | 13:42 |
| Qiming | however, I am not quite sure cluster_recover operation can cover these failure scenarios | 13:42 |
| Qiming | we can talk about it duing meetup | 13:43 |
| ruijie_ | yes Qiming, then we can improve the cluster_recover operation :) | 13:43 |
| ruijie_ | sure | 13:43 |
| ruijie_ | Qiming, XueFeng, do we have other topics to share | 13:46 |
| Qiming | no | 13:47 |
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| ruijie_ | thanks for joining, Gentlemen :) | 13:49 |
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| ruijie_ | we can end it a little bit early :) | 13:49 |
| ruijie_ | #endmeeting | 13:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 13:49:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-26-13.00.html | 13:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-26-13.00.txt | 13:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-09-26-13.00.log.html | 13:49 |
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| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 14:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | Hello everyone | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Announcements | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| annp_ | hi | 14:00 |
| bcafarel | hello | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| ralonsoh_ | hi | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | the PTL role has been transitioned to mlavalle : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122004.html | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | thanks mlavalle for being our leader for Queens :) | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | Thank you all for the trust | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | there was a PTG two weeks ago, mlavalle sent out the summary that you can find here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122583.html | 14:02 |
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| jlibosva | next announcement: ihrachys sent out an email about Ocata stable phase: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122626.html | 14:02 |
| jlibosva | which means "Only critical bugfixes and security patches are acceptable." for the Ocata branch | 14:03 |
| jlibosva | that's all announcements I prepared anybody has any announcement to make? | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | I have on | 14:04 |
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| haleyb | mlavalle: we need to update bugs.rst with new owners, there's more than just kevin that needs updating in there, i'll get started on that today | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | There is a call to propose Forum sessions for Sydne | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: thanks! | 14:04 |
| haleyb | when in doubt i'll default to you :) | 14:05 |
| mlavalle | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122599.html | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | the site where you can propose a session for Sydney Forum: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 14:05 |
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| jlibosva | any other announcements? | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | not from me | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | ok, let's move one then | 14:07 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Blueprints | 14:07 |
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| jlibosva | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/queens | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | I'm looking there assuming those are current BPs scheduled for Q cycle | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | I am looking at white page because comcast sucks | 14:08 |
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| jlibosva | I can send you a screenshot :) | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | huh | 14:09 |
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| ihrachys | thanks, but I think I can survive | 14:09 |
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| jlibosva | The next Q-1 milestone is scheduled to 19 October 2017, currently planned blueprints to this milestone are https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/queens-1 | 14:09 |
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| jlibosva | regarding run-in-wsgi-server , should we find a new assignee ? | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | it's marked as high priority b | 14:10 |
| jlibosva | bp* | 14:10 |
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| mlavalle | sorry, my irc client froze | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | I think kevinbenton was saying during ptg he will take care of that? | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | but of course it would be nice to have someone who is available fulltime to at least back kevinbenton up | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | which one? | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, run-in-wsgi-server | 14:12 |
| jlibosva | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/run-in-wsgi-server | 14:12 |
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| mlavalle | I tried to update https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/live-migration-portbinding earlier today, with my name | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | but I don't have privileges to do it. Who can grant me those privileges? | 14:14 |
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| jlibosva | mlavalle: maybe armax can? | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll ping him later today | 14:15 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: what do you think about the run-in-wsgi-server assignee, should we keep it up to kevinbenton ? | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | probably not. But I'll talk to him Thursday or Friday | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | when he comes back from orientation | 14:16 |
| jlibosva | okies | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | there are several things in the PTG summary that he put his name on | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | we also need approvers are reviews for each piece | 14:17 |
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| mlavalle | so I will find out a realistic picture | 14:17 |
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| ihrachys | *approvers aka reviewers | 14:17 |
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| mlavalle | ihrachys: yes, that is why I want to be able to update them | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | I will work over the next few days lining this up | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: would you please add an action item for me on this? | 14:19 |
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| jlibosva | #action mlavalle to go over bp and update assignees and approvers | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 14:19 |
| jlibosva | am I doing something wrong or the bot is dead? | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | no why | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | I don't think it should report the action added | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | it will still be in resulting report | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | it switches topics just fine | 14:20 |
| jlibosva | oh, I thought it always reacts | 14:20 |
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| jlibosva | alright then | 14:20 |
| jlibosva | anybody else has anything regarding blueprints? is anybody blocked on any issue? | 14:20 |
| annp_ | hi | 14:21 |
| jlibosva | annp_: hi | 14:21 |
| annp_ | In PTG, We have discussed about security group logging. There are some patch is targeted for queen-1 | 14:21 |
| annp_ | https://review.openstack.org/396104 | 14:21 |
| annp_ | https://review.openstack.org/468265 | 14:21 |
| patchbot | patch 396104 - neutron - [log]: implement logging agent extension | 14:21 |
| annp_ | https://review.openstack.org/468281 | 14:21 |
| patchbot | patch 468265 - neutron - [log]: Add driver api and rpc stuff for logging | 14:21 |
| patchbot | patch 468281 - neutron - [log] ovs fw logging implementation | 14:21 |
| annp_ | So I’d to get more attention from folks on that. Thanks in advance. | 14:21 |
| annp_ | sorry, | 14:21 |
| annp_ | In PTG, We have discussed about security group logging. There are some patch is targeted for queen-1 | 14:21 |
| annp_ | https://review.openstack.org/396104 | 14:21 |
| annp_ | https://review.openstack.org/468265 | 14:21 |
| annp_ | https://review.openstack.org/468281 | 14:21 |
| patchbot | patch 396104 - neutron - [log]: implement logging agent extension | 14:21 |
| patchbot | patch 468281 - neutron - [log] ovs fw logging implementation | 14:21 |
| patchbot | patch 468265 - neutron - [log]: Add driver api and rpc stuff for logging | 14:21 |
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| mlavalle | annp_: they are in my sight to review them over the next few days | 14:22 |
| annp_ | So I 'd like get more attention from folks. | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | and I encourage other revieres to do the same :-) | 14:22 |
| annp_ | Thanks mlavalle. | 14:22 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: are you gonna put yourself as approver to the BP for this one? :) | 14:22 |
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| mlavalle | maybe, don't know yet | 14:23 |
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| jlibosva | ok :) | 14:23 |
| annp_ | that's all from me | 14:23 |
| yushiro | :) | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | annp_: thanks for bringing this up :) | 14:23 |
| yushiro | thanks annp_ | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | any other BPs patches lack reviews? | 14:23 |
| annp_ | jlibosva: thanks please go ahead. | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | #topic bugs | 14:24 |
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| yushiro | jlibosva, Thanks for ur help!! | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | :) | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | a small announcement from the PTG | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | as we've been struggling lately to get bug deputies, it was agreed at the PTG to have a rotating roles | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | do we have an ordered list of 'volunteers'? | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | we don't yet. | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | I was travelling last week, so I need to work on that this week | 14:25 |
| mlavalle | I will propose a roster | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | maybe we should make an etherpad or something where volunteers can sign up for rotating role? | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: that is an excellent idea | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | yeah I guess it makes sense to create the list on volunteer base still | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | then rotate by force :) | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | I will create it and send an email in a little bit | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | makes sense :) | 14:27 |
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| jlibosva | I don't see any current critical bug on the LP - does anybody have any bug he'd like to mention here? | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-rotating-bug-deputy-volunteers | 14:28 |
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| ihrachys | we just spotted a linuxbridge bug in logs | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: nice :) | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | and I don't know whom to ask to triage those now that kevinbenton is out | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | (there is no bug report yet, but I have log link if interested) | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | my question is general: who's the linuxbridge fella now | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | I noticed slaweq does some work around linuxbridge | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | at least for fullstack | 14:30 |
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| jlibosva | maybe he could help you? | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | it's about iptables rules. I can try. | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | iptables rules for firewall driver? | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | yes | 14:30 |
| haleyb | i can help with SG code as well | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/21/504021/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial-nv/e47a3f3/logs/screen-q-agt.txt.gz#_Sep_26_09_17_36_512389 | 14:31 |
| jlibosva | yeah, I also digged into some iptables stuff too | 14:31 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, ok let's run through it off band | 14:31 |
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| mlavalle | still, we need to identify someone to help with Linuxbridge in general | 14:31 |
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| mlavalle | not necessarily now | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | in this meeting | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | #action we must find a new linuxbridge agent guru | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: lol, you beat me to it | 14:32 |
| haleyb | maybe it's time to put linuxbridge into life-support mode? mark it for deprecation in Rocky and see who screams? | 14:32 |
| mlavalle | mhhhh | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | well that's harsh. let's give the team time to find new people. | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | we could have a look at the latest openstack survey to see how many users would be impacted | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | alternatively, it will bitrot itself and then it will be a safe call | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | yeah, let's try to find some one | 14:33 |
| haleyb | i will charge the paddles to keep it alive :) | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | ok :) if nobody has other bugs to talk about I think we can move on | 14:34 |
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| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:34 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hi, are you already around? :) | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | I think we held the line fine for boden | 14:35 |
| boden | hi, I’m here | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 14:35 |
| jlibosva | good timing :) | 14:35 |
| boden | continuing to work through doc/api-ref tagged bugs, a number of patches out for review | 14:36 |
| boden | including patches to validate URL links via a tox target | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | I think I reviewed that want last night | 14:36 |
| boden | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505327/ | 14:36 |
| patchbot | patch 505327 - neutron - add doc link validation to release checklist and tox | 14:36 |
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| boden | yes you did | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | that one^^^ | 14:36 |
| boden | thanks | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | I wanted others to take a look | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | if nobody does, I'll merge it later today | 14:37 |
| boden | yup, good idea | 14:37 |
| boden | there’s one for lib too | 14:37 |
| boden | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506342/ | 14:38 |
| patchbot | patch 506342 - neutron-lib - add api ref and doc link validation to release | 14:38 |
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| mlavalle | ok, will take a look as well | 14:38 |
| boden | also I saw note on the ML about generating PDFs for docs… I will have to follow up on that in the next doc meeting | 14:38 |
| boden | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122461.html | 14:38 |
| boden | not clear if we should look into that for neutron/lib, but I’ll try to find out | 14:39 |
| boden | I don’t have any other doc topics, unless there are questions/comments | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | boden: thanks for updates | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | I think we can jump to the lib topic | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | #topic Neutron-lib | 14:41 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hi :) | 14:41 |
| boden | :) | 14:41 |
| boden | neutron-lib 1.10.0 is released… requirement bumps to pick it up should be in the queue now | 14:41 |
| boden | someone was asking for that release at the PTG, but sorry I can recall who now | 14:41 |
| boden | as we discussed at PTG, I re-queued the callback payload changes.. more details: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122293.html | 14:42 |
| boden | and finally I’m re-queuing a number of lib impact (consumption) changes… I will send a consolodated note/list when they are all ready | 14:43 |
| boden | that’s what I have for lib | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | thanks.... enjoy your vacation days :-) | 14:44 |
| boden | thanks :) | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | +1 to the above :) | 14:44 |
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| jlibosva | anybody has any comments/questions to neutron-lib topic? | 14:44 |
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| jlibosva | let's move on then | 14:45 |
| jlibosva | #topic OSC | 14:45 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: hi, are you around? | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | amotoki is on vacation in Italy this week | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | he will be back on Monday | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | I bet he is thinking about us :-) | 14:46 |
| jlibosva | aha, good choice for vacation :) | 14:47 |
| jlibosva | just one note from the PTG - python-neutronclient will stay with us until the parity is reached | 14:47 |
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| boden | and I have an item on my plate to help reach that parity, but I don’t have any new details yet… I’ll follow up next week after my vaca | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | good thing you remembered that, jlibosva :-) | 14:48 |
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| * jlibosva is looking at mlavalle's PTG summary email | 14:48 | |
| jlibosva | if nobody has anything to add for OSC, we can go to open discussion | 14:49 |
| jlibosva | #topic Open discussion | 14:49 |
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| jlibosva | does anybody have a topic he'd like to discuss? | 14:49 |
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| mlavalle | Not from me | 14:50 |
| jlibosva | then we can end earlier | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | 10 minutes of free time, exciting | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | jlibosva: is the CI meeting in this channel? | 14:50 |
| jlibosva | one more thing - kevinbenton shared with us a team photo from the PTG - https://photos.app.goo.gl/Aqa51E2aVkv5b4ah1 - so you can print it out and put it on your nightstand or dashboard at your working place or wherever you want ;) | 14:50 |
| jlibosva | mlavalle: yes, it's here in an hour | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | see you then :-) | 14:51 |
| jlibosva | thanks everybody for joining :) | 14:51 |
| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:51 | |
| ihrachys | see you! | 14:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 14:51:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-09-26-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-09-26-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-09-26-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
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| annp_ | see you | 14:52 |
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| mlavalle | ralonsoh: qos meeting here in ~7 minutes? | 14:53 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | ok, see you then | 14:53 |
| ralonsoh | I was going to ask you to stay, if you can | 14:53 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 14:53 |
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| ralonsoh | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 15:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:00 | |
| ralonsoh | Hello | 15:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 15:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
| davidsha | Hi | 15:00 |
| ralonsoh | reedip and slaweq will be here soon | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | ok, let's start | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | #topic RFEs | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:01 | |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 15:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | The spec review is going well | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/ | 15:02 |
| patchbot | patch 445762 - neutron-specs - Spec for Explicit Congestion Notification | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | But I think reedip needs to address those late comments | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | Let's take this one out if reedip is not here now | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1692951 | 15:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692951 in neutron "[RFE] DSCP mark on the outer header" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ali Sanhaji (ali-sanhaji) | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | The RFE is not approved yet | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | but there are two patches | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501267/ | 15:03 |
| patchbot | patch 501267 - neutron - Adding TOS mark in OVS tunnels outer headers | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501271/ | 15:03 |
| patchbot | patch 501271 - neutron - Make TOS inherit possible in LB | 15:03 |
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| mlavalle | ralonsoh: it is approved | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | oooook | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | I think see that | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | we discussed it in the last drivers meeting before the ptg | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | perfect | 15:04 |
| mlavalle | and Ali did a great job presenting it | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | I need to take a look again to both patches, but both are in progress | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | That's perfect | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | He ping me the week before | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | let's just keep this in mind: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1692951/comments/3 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692951 in neutron "[RFE] DSCP mark on the outer header" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ali Sanhaji (ali-sanhaji) | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | I remember reading this part, but not "is approved" | 15:06 |
| mlavalle | lol, that was the most important part | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | ok, so let's take time to review the patches. I don't see any big data change at all | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I know.... | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | ok, next one | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649517 | 15:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649517 in neutron "qos policy attached to network, qos_policy_id is reflecting on neutron net-show , but not on the port with neutron port-show" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | The code is almost ready | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419642/ | 15:07 |
| patchbot | patch 419642 - neutron - Add network_qos_policy_id to port info | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | is the failure caused by the change in the patch | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | But reedip needs to finish and address the latest comments | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | ? | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | ok, so I should expect a follow up patch | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | the functional test fail is not related, IMO | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | but there should be another patch | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | ok | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | next one | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596611 | 15:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | There are two patches in gerrit | 15:10 |
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| ralonsoh | one sec | 15:10 |
| slaweq_ | hello | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | Well, one of them was abandoned | 15:10 |
| slaweq_ | sorry for late | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/ | 15:10 |
| patchbot | patch 445762 - neutron-specs - Spec for Explicit Congestion Notification | 15:10 |
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| ralonsoh | sorry, not this one | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I saw that. | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | but is this something we still want to pursue? | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453458/ | 15:11 |
| patchbot | patch 453458 - neutron - [L3][QoS] Adding L3 rate limit TC lib | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | This one | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | Is still under review, but stopped since august | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: It's interesting but, personally, I don't have time for this | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | would a review help to nudge it forward? | 15:12 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I tried to ping the author with no luck | 15:12 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll go through it | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I don't know if just a review is enough. We should know if the author is going to continue | 15:13 |
| slaweq_ | ralonsoh: it's this one with another tc class, right? | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | yes | 15:13 |
| slaweq_ | ok | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | The implementation is correct, but I don't agree with splitting the TC library | 15:13 |
| mlavalle | would you leave a comment there? | 15:13 |
| slaweq_ | IIRC it was waiting for some core reviewers as me and ralonsoh don't agree with way how author did it | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | Sure, several times | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | ok | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | then I'll chime in | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: thanks | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | and the last RFE | 15:14 |
| mlavalle | and ask for help if I get myself in trouble, as I frequently do ;-) | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: yes, that's the point | 15:15 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, next RFE | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560963 | 15:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | I abandoned this RFE for several months | 15:15 |
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| ralonsoh | But I'm going to retake the work | 15:15 |
| * mlavalle did the same ;-( | 15:15 | |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I have some questions for you, about placement | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: do you have time for a conversation about this? whenever you want | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | I have some ideas | 15:16 |
| mlavalle | do you want to discuss this outside the meeting? | 15:16 |
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| ralonsoh | I think it's going to take a bit of time | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | and I can put the conclusions in a mail | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | and in the RFE | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | I am very interested in this, so yeah, I will make time | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | perfect!! | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | there are no more topics in the etherpad | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | we are targeting this for Queens, right? | 15:17 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle: yes... if the placement API is ready and Nova side | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I'm currently working in the Nova side too | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | jaypipes said he was hoping to get it ready in Q-1 | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | during the PTG | 15:18 |
| ralonsoh | I know, sean-k-mooney told me that | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | I even included the comment in the Neutron PTG summary that sent a couple of days ago to the ML | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I saw that | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | so I guess it is a matter of tracking it down | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | but we should start working now | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | in parallel | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | in my opinion | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: perfect! so we can talk later today | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | it won't be the first time I write code against an unfinished placement API :-) | 15:20 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle: hehehe. BTW, I have plans to move your client to a common place | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | what time is it now for you? | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | 1620 | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | would 1800 be too late for you? | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | not at all | 15:21 |
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| mlavalle | ok, I'll ping you then | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | perfect! | 15:21 |
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| ralonsoh | I don't have any other RFE in etherpad | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | Am I missing something? | 15:21 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: and yes, I was fully expecting that client to be moved and changed a lot ;-) | 15:22 |
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| ralonsoh | sure hehehe | 15:22 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Hi all, | 15:22 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | I want to discuss my RFE with you guys. | 15:23 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1708460 | 15:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1708460 in neutron " [RFE] Reaction to network congestion for qos" [Undecided,Invalid] | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: please, go on | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | it's an invalid one, there is another similar | 15:23 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Why it's marked as invalid by reedip | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | ECN, by reedup | 15:23 |
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| ralonsoh | one sec | 15:23 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | It's not the same. | 15:23 |
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| Fouad_Benamrane | Here we try to add ECN capability to neutron through ovs rules. | 15:24 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | And also we react dynamically to it. | 15:24 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | By policing hosts that generate congestion. | 15:25 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Our solution does not depend on host at all | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: I don't see where are you talking about OVS | 15:25 |
| ralonsoh | in the RFE | 15:25 |
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| ralonsoh | anyway, the RFE is very similar | 15:26 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Reedip RFE propose to use L3 router instead | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | IMO, this "extra" you are adding (creating a QOS limit rule), could be added to reedip's RFE | 15:27 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Ok, we can combine our REF, | 15:27 |
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| Fouad_Benamrane | Why not. | 15:27 |
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| davidsha | It could involve integrating the bandwidth limit rule with CCF as well for the policing rather than including it all in the ecn rule. | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: let me take a look at both RFE and reedip SPEC | 15:28 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | OK | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: could you explain it again? | 15:29 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: ? | 15:29 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: Rather than having a specific policing inside the new ecn rule a general one could be made by extending the bandwidth limit rule to work with the Common Classification framework | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | ok, but is the CCF ready to be used? | 15:30 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | But the bandwidth limit rule is static | 15:30 |
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| Fouad_Benamrane | We need to keep track of congestion source and react to it. | 15:30 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: at the moment, no, not yet. | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: can you explain your proposal in a SPEC? | 15:31 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Yes, | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: perfect! | 15:31 |
| davidsha | Fouad_Benamrane: If I'm not mistaken, if there is congestion the ecn value is changed to "11" isn't it? | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: BTW, you are planning to support only OVS | 15:32 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Yes, this done by ECN switch in the middle of the network. | 15:32 |
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| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: ok, I'll mark your RFE as new again. This should not be invalid for now | 15:34 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | Ok, so after that I have to propose a new spec, is it right ? | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | Fouad_Benamrane: please, take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445762/ | 15:35 |
| patchbot | patch 445762 - neutron-specs - Spec for Explicit Congestion Notification | 15:35 |
| davidsha | Fouad_Benamrane: I'd say sync with reedip first. | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | Do you think your proposal could be integrated here? | 15:35 |
| Fouad_Benamrane | ok, I will. | 15:35 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh, Fouad_Benamrane: I'll mark the RFE as triaged and indicate that we are waitring for a spec | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | makes sense? | 15:36 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle: as davidsha said, reedip and Fouad_Benamrane should talk first to merge both | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | if possible | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | ah, ok | 15:36 |
| mlavalle | I missed that | 15:36 |
| * mlavalle being tormented by a rain of messages from somewhere else :-( | 15:37 | |
| ralonsoh | hehehe | 15:37 |
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| ralonsoh | ok, any other topic?? | 15:37 |
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| davidsha | I'm good. | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | let's move to next one | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Bugs | 15:38 |
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| ralonsoh | there are no bugs in the list | 15:38 |
| slaweq_ | \o/ | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq_: yes? | 15:38 |
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| slaweq_ | I'm just happy that there are no bugs :) | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | ahhh hehhehehe | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | sorry | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | me too | 15:38 |
| mlavalle | \o/ | 15:39 |
| ralonsoh | perfect, next topic | 15:39 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Other Changes | 15:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Other Changes (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:39 | |
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| ralonsoh | and general discussion | 15:39 |
| ralonsoh | Do you have somthing in your agenda? | 15:39 |
| ralonsoh | ok, thank you very much guys! | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:40 |
| slaweq_ | thx | 15:40 |
| ralonsoh | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:40 | |
| ralonsoh | bye!! | 15:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 15:40:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-09-26-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-09-26-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-09-26-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
| davidsha | Thanks, cya! | 15:40 |
| ralonsoh | mlavalle: I'll wait for your call | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | yeap, ral | 15:40 |
| mlavalle | ralonsoh: | 15:40 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 16:01:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, mlavalle, haleyb o/ | 16:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | and to whoever else joined | 16:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev week | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from prev week (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| slaweq_ | hello | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | hi slaweq_ ! | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | traditionally, we walk through action items from the previous week | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | first item was "jlibosva to talk to armax about enabling test_convert_default_subnetpool_to_non_default in gate" | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | I did! | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | fill us in! | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | tldr; it's not possible because default subnetpool is also used for nova tests | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | ok then how is it supposed to be executed by a tempest consumer? | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | and it would be very hacky to have both auto-allocated-topology tests + nova tests and other relying on default subnet pool and defautl subnetpool | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | do users choose one or another? | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | as per armax it was a mistake to merge the default subnetpool API tests | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | so I made this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507487/ | 16:04 |
| patchbot | patch 507487 - neutron - Replace default subnetpool API tests with UT | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | it moves the tests from API to unittests using the extension tests | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | as the current default subnetpool API tests touch only API and DB layer, the coverage is kept | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | great, adding to my review queue | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | next action item was also on jlibosva | 16:05 |
| slaweq_ | jlibosva: I'm not expert but can't it be moved to fullstack? | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | "jlibosva to prepare a list of scenario related fixes" | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | let's address slaweq_ question first | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | slaweq_: yes, that was also one of the options but given the current state of fullstack I thought UT should be sufficient | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | it's not that bad ;) | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | I mean, we are getting closer | 16:06 |
| slaweq_ | ok, UT are voting at least :) | 16:06 |
| slaweq_ | but I just wanted to ask | 16:06 |
| jlibosva | slaweq_: it's a good point :) | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | I think it's fine to move with what you have. fullstack could be a nice follow up | 16:07 |
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| mlavalle | ++ | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | aka never happen | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's look at the next item. "jlibosva to prepare a list of scenario related fixes" | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I was hoping to have the list for the team meeting today but seems like we did not have one. | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | haleyb was going to help jlibosva with the task | 16:08 |
| haleyb | i have two | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | two lists? | 16:08 |
| jlibosva | I was looking at the fixes related to the dvr stuff, I somehow mixed the things ... | 16:08 |
| haleyb | two reviews that help with scenarios jobs | 16:08 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ - check router interface before ssh | 16:09 |
| patchbot | patch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh | 16:09 |
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| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505324 | 16:09 |
| patchbot | patch 505324 - neutron - DVR: Fix unbound fip port migration to bound port | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | anilvenkata, do you plan to respin https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ this week? | 16:09 |
| patchbot | patch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh | 16:09 |
| anilvenkata | ihrachys, yes, doing it now | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | great | 16:10 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: i am reviewing swami's patch again now, but with it there are very few scenario failures, think 3 now | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, looking at the second patch. why is it every time we need to fix a bug in dvr, it ends up like a 200+ line patch? :) | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | I am scared each time | 16:11 |
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| haleyb | it's not all butterflies and rainbows | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | linuxbridge job seems to show more failures than ovs | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | http://logs.openstack.org/24/505324/10/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-scenario-ubuntu-xenial-nv/e1a0b47/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:12 |
| haleyb | if we didn't do migration it would be real simple :) | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | vs. http://logs.openstack.org/24/505324/10/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial-nv/c2e8825/testr_results.html.gz | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | so we also have trunks and qos | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | but some of those could be the iptables issue that I spotted today | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | (I will update later in the meeting) | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, thanks for the update on the patches. would be nice if we land them this week. | 16:13 |
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| haleyb | ihrachys: oh, and there is one more | 16:13 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500143/ | 16:14 |
| patchbot | patch 500143 - neutron - DVR: Always initialize floating IP host | 16:14 |
| haleyb | final fix for agent, but maybe that's more dvr-multinode related, getting ahead of myself | 16:14 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: land the 3 of them? | 16:14 |
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| ihrachys | mlavalle, yeah. 2 of them will require l3 experts to chime in. too complex for my 1oz brain | 16:15 |
| mlavalle | lol, I'll keep an eye on them | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, the scenario job is dvr-multinode so it would affect it | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | the patch from anilvenkata - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/ - reveals some weirdness (to my taste) in api behavior. the change seems fine, but the number of things that api user is supposed to check to make sure data plane is healthy after an update is enormous. is it really the best we can do? see: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500384/7/neutron/tests/tempest/scenario/test_migration.py | 16:16 |
| patchbot | patch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh | 16:16 |
| patchbot | patch 500384 - neutron - tempest: check router interface exists before ssh | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | we check ports, fips, ports deleted... | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | I started to think that we need some attribute to expose whether router is ready | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | maybe reuse status | 16:17 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: i saw your comment regarding PENDING_UPDATE, just don't know how invasive that would be | 16:17 |
| haleyb | i'm just thinking of a case where the server changes the state, informs agent, but reply lost. server would need to re-send | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | it would stay pending until they recover somehow. data plane would still be functional (to the point it can be functional with the update not applied) | 16:19 |
| haleyb | but i'm willing to try and make it better | 16:20 |
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| ihrachys | great, thanks a lot | 16:20 |
| mlavalle | yeah, thanks | 16:20 |
| anilvenkata | haleyb, we have similar thing for router state change | 16:21 |
| anilvenkata | haleyb, if agent's reply is lost, it will periodically retry | 16:21 |
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| anilvenkata | haleyb, Ann has implemented it | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | anilvenkata, is it merged or up for review? | 16:21 |
| anilvenkata | ihrachys, that is only regarding HA router active/backup state change | 16:22 |
| anilvenkata | ihrachys, not related to data plane status change | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | ok. we didn't have any more items | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | (boy it takes a while to load it) | 16:25 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | so first, our all time friends - scenario and fullstack - are still close to 100% | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | the good news is that fullstack is now not 100% all the time | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | more like 80% | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | so the latest fixes helped a bit | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | scenarios are not that lucky | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | we had a blip with rally breakages earlier in the week but it's back to normal now | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | those guys apparently don't have enough test coverage for the code so regressions happen, and since we feed from their master, it breaks us once in a while | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | tl;dr nothing new, we can move to discuss specific day-to-day offenders | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | #topic Scenarios | 16:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scenarios (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:28 | |
| ihrachys | we already discussed a bit the dvr/migration fixes | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | one thing that I noticed today while looking at results for the new sec group scenario is that linuxbridge job seems to be busted because of a iptables issue | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | example: http://logs.openstack.org/21/504021/2/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-linuxbridge-ubuntu-xenial-nv/e47a3f3/logs/screen-q-agt.txt.gz#_Sep_26_09_17_36_512389 | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | we have code in iptables managers that applies rules twice and checks that result is same | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | that is activated by debug_iptables_rules = True | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | which is on in gate | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | doesn't happen in ovs | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | but that's probably because there we use the 'openvswitch' flow firewall driver | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | so maybe the issue still affects ovs/iptables setups | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | of course we could disable debug_iptables_rules to avoid the errors but that would be a silly thing to do | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | I hear that haleyb and jlibosva would love to take it from here ;) | 16:33 |
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| jlibosva | I can take a look tomorrow :) | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | ok good. I will prepare a bug report after the meeting | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to triage iptables apply failure in linuxbridge scenarios job | 16:33 |
| haleyb | i will help as well of course | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to report bug for iptables apply failure | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | also while we are at it, worth reviewing the test scenario itself that triggers the failure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504021 | 16:34 |
| patchbot | patch 504021 - neutron - [Tempest] Scenarios for several sec groups on VM | 16:34 |
| mlavalle | Thanks jlibosva, haleyb | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | final thing to discuss here is that tempest plugin with all tests, api and scenarios, is moving to a separate repo | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | chandankumar is spearheading the initiative | 16:35 |
| * mlavalle will review it | 16:35 | |
| haleyb | ihrachys: oh, so it only happens with that patch? | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb, well I am not sure. could be. that's where I spotted it. | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | for the split tempest, we already have https://github.com/openstack/neutron-tempest-plugin | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | that carries copy of tests | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | chandankumar is currently working on preparing jobs that would run tests from the plugin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507038/ | 16:37 |
| patchbot | patch 507038 - openstack-infra/project-config - Added tempest dsvm job for neutron-tempest-plugin | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | once they are in the separate repo gate, and we prove they work, we will switch neutron repo to new jobs that use the plugin repo | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | and then clean up the neutron tree: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507038/ | 16:37 |
| patchbot | patch 507038 - openstack-infra/project-config - Added tempest dsvm job for neutron-tempest-plugin | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | oops wrong link | 16:37 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: one question, what happens to code we are changing now in the Neutron repo? | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | this is the patch that removes the in-tree tests: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506672/ | 16:38 |
| patchbot | patch 506672 - neutron - Remove the bundled intree neutron tempest plugin | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, that's a good question, and the answer is, we will need to first sync everything before pulling the trigger | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I saw it over the weekend and was wondering | 16:38 |
| mlavalle | good to know | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | once we are closer to that, we should probably freeze all new patches, work through sync process, pull the trigger, cleanup; then ask everyone to move patches to the new repo | 16:39 |
| mlavalle | sounds good | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | there is a bit of legwork there | 16:39 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | actually I now realized that project-config change is incomplete | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | because since the new repo is branchless, we need to target all neutron stable branches there | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | like tempest does | 16:40 |
| mlavalle | right | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | I commented in the patch | 16:41 |
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| ihrachys | the new setup will also temporarily complicate backports of test fixes into stable branches | 16:41 |
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| ihrachys | that's all I have for scenarios. there may be more issues with it, but I prefer we get back to them once migration/dvr/iptables stuff is fixed and we see new results | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | #topic Fullstack | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | there was a PTG discussion on things we should take care to make fullstack pass | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | first issue was about trunk test case failing because ovs agents remove ports of each other because ovsdb is not sandboxed | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | I believe the long term vision is we actually have it sandboxed | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | correct | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | but for the time being, armax sent this fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/504186/ | 16:44 |
| patchbot | patch 504186 - neutron - Isolate trunk bridges on fullstack runs | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | it needs some more work, but if you folks could assess the general approach that would be great. | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | will do | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | another issue we have with fullstack is that sometimes it seems like netlink socket operations don't immediately translate into kernel state changes | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | https://launchpad.net/bugs/1717582 | 16:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717582 in neutron "fullstack job failing to create namespace because it's already exists" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | which then makes ensure_namespace fail | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | slaweq_ had a fix for that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/503890/ but seems like it didn't help | 16:46 |
| patchbot | patch 503890 - neutron - Fix for race condition during netns creation (MERGED) | 16:46 |
| slaweq_ | and my patch didn't solve it | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | so now we probably revert: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507382/ | 16:46 |
| patchbot | patch 507382 - neutron - Revert "Fix for race condition during netns creation" | 16:46 |
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| slaweq_ | I think that there is less such kind of errors now but it's only my "feeling" | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | and look at alternative implementation of netns add using pyroute2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505701/ | 16:46 |
| patchbot | patch 505701 - neutron - Change ip_lib network namespace code to use pyroute2 | 16:46 |
| mlavalle | have we taken the decision to revert yet? | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, remind everyone why we think it helps? | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, should probably be part of the commit message (also a link to the bug) | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, afaiu slaweq_ explained: "My patch changed ensure_namespace() method to catch ProcessExecutionError exception. If Brian's patch will be merged it will never happen here that such exception will be raised." | 16:48 |
| slaweq_ | yep | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | sounds like useless code if we go the pyroute2 path | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | cool | 16:48 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: i more started the pyroute2 change as a performance improvement, but it should catch the namespace exists issue better | 16:48 |
| slaweq_ | because pyroute2 will raise exception with EEXIST error code | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | slaweq_, but we will still need to catch it? | 16:48 |
| slaweq_ | yep | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | ok so the haleyb's patch doesn't fix the bug | 16:49 |
| slaweq_ | but we can check if it's this error or other one | 16:49 |
| mlavalle | ahhh, I glimpsed pieces of the EEXIST conversation yesterday | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb, then maybe related-bug | 16:49 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: it does because it catches the pyroute EEXIST exception and ignores it | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | oh ok | 16:49 |
| slaweq_ | also, I don't know exactly how privsep works | 16:49 |
| haleyb | i'll add related-bug | 16:49 |
| slaweq_ | and if it uses rootwrap daemon | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, is it in neutron that you catch, or it's library? | 16:50 |
| slaweq_ | but I think that current issue might be related to some kind of race condition between two rootwrap daemons which executes commands | 16:50 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: in neutron, the pyroute2 code doesn't seem to catch it properly | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | slaweq_, could well be, meaning this wouldn't solve the underlying issue | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: even with the flag passed we saw at pyroute2 docs? | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | oh I see the catch in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505701/4/neutron/privileged/agent/linux/ip_lib.py | 16:51 |
| patchbot | patch 505701 - neutron - Change ip_lib network namespace code to use pyroute2 | 16:51 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: i'd have to do it differently to use any flags | 16:52 |
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| ihrachys | slaweq_, so it seems like the lib handles the error itself? | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | we don't need to handle it in neutron then? | 16:53 |
| slaweq_ | not exactly | 16:53 |
| slaweq_ | there is try except which should catch it | 16:53 |
| slaweq_ | but as we checked yesterday with haleyb it raises exception in other place | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | oh ok, I see | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | maybe a good idea to patch pyroute2 (in addition to neutron) | 16:54 |
| haleyb | it might be a bug in the pyroute2 code, i need to file a bug and get maintainer response | 16:54 |
| jlibosva | I haven't played with it but I looked at the docs of pyroute2 and there was an option to ignore namespace creation in case it already existed | 16:54 |
| slaweq_ | I was thinking that in https://github.com/svinota/pyroute2/blob/master/pyroute2/netns/__init__.py#L149 it will be catched | 16:54 |
| slaweq_ | but it looks that exception is raised in https://github.com/svinota/pyroute2/blob/master/pyroute2/netns/__init__.py#L162 | 16:55 |
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| ihrachys | slaweq_, right. because netnsdir is /var/run/netns/ | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | and netnspath is /var/run/netns/xxx | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | so it handles exists for first only | 16:55 |
| jlibosva | # create a new netns or use existing one | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | netns = NetNS('test', flags=os.O_CREAT) | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | from http://pyroute2.org/pyroute2-0.3.4/netns.html | 16:56 |
| haleyb | i use the lazy pyroute2.netns.create("test") method instead of instantiating a class | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | ok we have little time, let's move on with the issue. everyone make sure we review those patches quick. | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:57 |
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| ihrachys | I would like to note one thing before we wrap up | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | infra is switching gates to zuulv3 | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | there are significant changes in the future in how we define our jobs | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | the gist of the changes can be found in https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | make yourself comfortable | 16:58 |
| jlibosva | I also wanted to note I'm working on some fullstack work: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506722/ - it's very invasive :) but I hope it'll bring a lot of fruits | 16:58 |
| patchbot | patch 506722 - neutron - WIP: fullstack: Put all services into namespaces | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | the switch is currently ongoing, so project-config changes are frozen for now | 16:58 |
| jlibosva | I'll probably split it into smaller pieces once it's done | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, nice! | 16:59 |
| mlavalle | thanks for pointing it out | 16:59 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb, btw you may want to push again on getting multinode-dvr the default once infra is done with zuulv3 | 16:59 |
| haleyb | i also plan on re-basing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483600/ today | 16:59 |
| patchbot | patch 483600 - openstack-infra/project-config - Make neutron-multinode job the default | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | ok folks we are at the top of the hour | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, huh, great minds... | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | :) | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | thanks everyone for joining | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | thanks all, cya :) | 17:00 |
| slaweq_ | thanks, bye | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, slaweq_ thanks for joining and all the help, I appreciate | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 17:00:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-26-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-26-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-09-26-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 18:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
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| kmalloc | o/ | 18:00 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | we'll give it a minute for folks to join | 18:01 |
| lamt____ | o/ | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | alrighty | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements: trello | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122627.html] | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #undo | 18:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122627.html] | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122627.html | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/b/5F0h9Hoe/keystone | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | i made a bunch of updates to the trello board and attempted to fill in details | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | if something isn't clear, please let me know | 18:03 |
| hrybacki | thanks lbragstad | 18:03 |
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| gagehugo | nice | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | also - i'm open to suggestions | 18:04 |
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| hrybacki | I'm curious if folks have been using it? | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | i have, but that's probably obvious with the updates i've been making | 18:04 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | it feels really nice to actually have things documented somewhere - i'll say that for sure | 18:05 |
| hrybacki | +1 | 18:05 |
| knikolla | beats a spreadsheet | 18:05 |
| hrybacki | and I will say that Trello excels at asynch communication that is easy to digest after the fact | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:05 |
| hrybacki | I'm happy to give a 'Trello Training' session for anyone that hasn't used it before and would like one | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | i'm hoping it works out for us this release | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | hrybacki: i'm up to learn some new tricks | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | i used it a bunch last year - but i'd consider my usage to be fairly primitive | 18:06 |
| hrybacki | Cool -- hand me an action to prep a quick session | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #action hrybacki to plan a "Trello Training" session | 18:07 |
| hrybacki | maybe tie that into office hours in a week or two? | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that's a good idea | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | a post to the mailing list would be good | 18:07 |
| * hrybacki nods | 18:07 | |
| lbragstad | we could do it right after the meeting | 18:07 |
| hrybacki | yeah | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | cool - that's all i have there, anyone else have things related to trello? | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements: sydney forum sessions | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | the deadline for topic submissions is in a few days | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | i've started an etherpad to start brainstorming sessions | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-keystone-forum-sessions | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | If folks want to give that a once over and post anything there I can submit formal proposals for it before the 29th | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | anyone have thoughts? | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | for reference - this was the etherpad we used for Boston https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Keystone-brainstorming | 18:10 |
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| gagehugo | do we want another consumable keystone forum session? | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | we could - that makes a bit more sense with JWT | 18:11 |
| hrybacki | ftr I will not be funded to attend Sydney. But I'm saving for the next PTG in case I lack company funding for that as well | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: ack - you can also apply for travel support, the foundation is good about that | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | i used the program for Boston | 18:11 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: I'll ping you about that after meeting | 18:12 |
| kmalloc | I will also not be in SYD. | 18:12 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad I just got travel approval | 18:12 |
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| rodrigods | i will be there! :) | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | regardless of being able to go - if you want things represented or done in Sydney, let me know and i'll make a point to represent it when i'm there | 18:15 |
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| hrybacki | lbragstad++ | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | I'll leave the etherpad open for a day and start submitting topics tomorrow | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | sorry about not getting this out soon - it kinda crept up on me | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | I'll followup with an email after the meeting, too | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | floor is open | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | reminder that we do have office hours today | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | starting in about 40 minutes | 18:19 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, we in the open discussion part of the meting? | 18:19 |
| ayoung | meeting | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: yes we are | 18:19 |
| ayoung | So, question on the decision to pull support for RBAC in middleware | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I only caught it in cmurphy 's blog update. THanks cmurphy! | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I'd argue that before you pull it, you need to specify how you are going to replace it, and solve the problems that it addresses | 18:20 |
| ayoung | I'm willing to support any plan that active works toward solving the problem of discoverability, but I have yet to hear anyone else propose one. Was there any such discussion? | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | you want an answer to "what can I do with this token" right? | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, so, I would not quite phrase it that way | 18:22 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, I would more phrase it as "I need to set up a service to do X, what roles do I need to grant to them in order to do it" | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | i think both of those can be addressed using a capabilities API | 18:23 |
| ayoung | so, while that would also cover what you say, It is only a subset of the use cases. But, yes, that is one of them | 18:23 |
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| edmondsw | ayoung I think there are different answers for different use cases that you care about | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | i remember someone in the room bringing up a security concern somewhere in that discussion, too | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | i can't remember if that was kmalloc? jamielennox? | 18:24 |
| edmondsw | one answer is pluggable oslo.policy, e.g. for Apache fortress | 18:24 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, so capabilities I've heard as supporting "what resources does this service provide" like different hypervisors etc. How would the capabilities API work for this? | 18:24 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad I think it was both of them | 18:24 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: i'd bake the representation into the service via oslo.policy's code | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | edmondsw, policy does not provide a way to map them from URL to policy. My guess is capabilites is also going to have this problem? | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | middleware is the wrong place to put it | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | middleware is already doing too much | 18:25 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, oslo.policy does not know about the URL, though. | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: let me find a spec - it framed the purpose and direction of capability apis | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | or middleware can expose oslo.policy directly | 18:25 |
| kmalloc | middleware DOESNT either really. | 18:25 |
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| edmondsw | ayoung we are documenting URLs tied to policy rules... community-wide goal for queens | 18:25 |
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| ayoung | OK...so the answer is "we will have a static mapping of URLS to Policy rules, an then a way to query the policy rules (and more) via the capabilites API" | 18:26 |
| edmondsw | but maybe I don't understand what you're after there | 18:26 |
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| kmalloc | ayoung: that would be the way i'd push | 18:26 |
| ayoung | Are we going to query each service for the capabilites? | 18:27 |
| kmalloc | yep. | 18:27 |
| kmalloc | keystone cannot be the centralized source for it | 18:27 |
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| kmalloc | it runs into all the headaches we ran into trying to move policyt int our api | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | kmalloc: did you have the concern about exposing roles for APIs? | 18:27 |
| kmalloc | i'm throwing in the towel on centralizing that, it is a ton of headaches and with many issues on updates, signaling, services being aware, etc | 18:28 |
| ayoung | so the one problem I see with this is that the definition of roles is managed in the keystone server. Are we just going to make the set of roles static? | 18:28 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: we are moving towards guaranteed roles | 18:28 |
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| lbragstad | no - not necessarily | 18:28 |
| kmalloc | some* | 18:28 |
| kmalloc | not all static, but some roles will be guaranteed, otherwise ask the services. | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | i have an idea there - but i haven't had the opportunity to write it down yet | 18:28 |
| ayoung | one goal in my design was to be able to split a big role into smaller roles, and allow delegation of the smaller role only. Will this information make its way out to the remote services? | 18:29 |
| kmalloc | capabilities should be unprotected, and we can report what role(s) are needed for capability x | 18:29 |
| kmalloc | depends on the expansion | 18:29 |
| kmalloc | if the expansion is done on the remote end, sure | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | but we should also be able to ask a service "what can I do with this token?" | 18:29 |
| kmalloc | if not, no. not for the moment | 18:30 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: sure. that is fine. | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | cool | 18:30 |
| ayoung | "What can I do with this token" is pretty easy if the capabilities are statically published | 18:31 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: that is the idea | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | well | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | kinda | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | Horizon (the primary consumer of that feature) can deduce it from the data provided | 18:31 |
| kmalloc | we could do the calculation for you as well on that page | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | part of that depends on how the service is configured | 18:31 |
| kmalloc | s/page/api | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | so you could consider the role -> permission policies as a super set that can be pruned down to a more specific answer based on the configuration of the service | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | OK...so walk me through how I would tell an operator to do the following. Lets say compute:reboot_server is a policy that falls behind the actions API, and we have it set to use the "expecte" role of "Member" | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | (e.g. i might have the role that allows me to live migrate instance but i can't actually live migrate instances because nova isn't configured to use a virt driver that supports it) | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | and we want to make a new role or permission or whatever you call it, that can only pass that one policy check | 18:33 |
| ayoung | assuming we've created the role in keystone and set up an inference rule that lets Member imply rebooter, we would then have to update the policy on the compute nodes that enforce that, right? | 18:34 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: correct | 18:34 |
| kmalloc | if only "Rebooter" can do that | 18:34 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, not Only | 18:35 |
| ayoung | kmalloc, rebooter can ONLY dothat, but so can Member and Admin | 18:35 |
| ayoung | Member and Admin can do that plus more | 18:35 |
| edmondsw | ayoung you would either a) customize policy for that one rule to make it "role:Member or role:mynewthang" instead of just "role:Member" or b) make it "role:mynewthang" and setup the roles in keystone such that Member implies mynewthang | 18:35 |
| kmalloc | edmondsw: thanks that was what i was going for | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | OK, so that still leaves the problem that people need to be able to safely customize rules like that, but should not touch the scope check | 18:36 |
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| ayoung | are we counting on the multiple-layers of policy files to help split those two things apart? | 18:36 |
| kmalloc | scope check is def. on the list to push down into the services in a better way. | 18:36 |
| edmondsw | scope checks need to move into code, so they won't be *able* to touch them | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | right - i'm working on that this release | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | fwiw | 18:37 |
| kmalloc | basically, we're baking the scope check into code and representing that better in the policy-in-code definitions | 18:37 |
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| kmalloc | do policy can' | 18:37 |
| kmalloc | t be broken on those lines | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | i plan to draft a community goal for rocky that helps achieve that across openstack | 18:37 |
| edmondsw | +1000 | 18:37 |
| kmalloc | we have some changes in osol.policy nbeeded to make it happen | 18:37 |
| kmalloc | but it's a low barrier | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i'm going to be getting to those today | 18:38 |
| ayoung | and scope check is going to bake in the rule for is_admin_project or the Global-roles-like-thing that is going to replace it | 18:38 |
| kmalloc | and i think we have a good path forward on it based upon the PTG | 18:38 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: in the definition within nova | 18:38 |
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| kmalloc | saying "X action is scope-required to project and then nova will be able to say object.owner==scope | 18:38 |
| kmalloc | it's a different policy-enforcement point | 18:38 |
| kmalloc | we have 3 levels of checking (in 2 checks) now | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | 3? | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | project, system, and? | 18:39 |
| kmalloc | 1) role check, 2) scope-type check (project) | 18:39 |
| kmalloc | and the last is the ownership check | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | oh - nevermind | 18:39 |
| kmalloc | 1 and 2 are enforcement point 1 | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | different page | 18:39 |
| kmalloc | and the ownership check is done once the data is loaded from the db. | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | yep | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:39 |
| ayoung | scope-type can be done prior, but the actual scope check is part of the ownership check? | 18:40 |
| kmalloc | scope-type is done with role | 18:40 |
| kmalloc | and ownership is "token.scope == resource.owner" | 18:40 |
| kmalloc | sorry token.scope.id | 18:40 |
| kmalloc | nova has to do the scope check itself | 18:41 |
| ayoung | I'm not clear on what you mean by scope-type done with a role | 18:41 |
| kmalloc | scope-type: project, domain, system | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | so - think of role check as two smaller checks | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | does the role match the operation | 18:41 |
| ayoung | so scope type is role irrelevant. It is done based on resource, right? | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | and does the token being used have a construct that represents elevated scope | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | if needed | 18:41 |
| kmalloc | correct | 18:42 |
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| kmalloc | it is role-irrelevant | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | if token.scope == 'system' and policy.scope == 'system' | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | for example | 18:42 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: token.scope_type* | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | we have to make sure each project enforces that consistently | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: yes - thanks | 18:42 |
| ayoung | Do we have cases (out side of keystone and domains) where the scope is not going to be on target.project_id? | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | you mean 'system'? | 18:43 |
| edmondsw | so oslo.policy will bark if token.scope is not in policy.scope, else it will return back nicely and the service needs to limit what the user can do to their token.scope | 18:43 |
| kmalloc | nova and/or neutron port mucking might not be the target | 18:44 |
| ayoung | I mean, I know Nova used to put that in the URL, but I think that the only scope we have now is project scope. So, system scope is implicit | 18:44 |
| edmondsw | we also talked about a 'region' scope, but that's probably further down the road | 18:44 |
| kmalloc | in the case of global things (or glance in the case of global/public images) | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | live migration is a good example of system scope | 18:44 |
| edmondsw | system vs. project will be the primary distinction | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | or https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#hypervisors-os-hypervisors | 18:45 |
| kmalloc | edmondsw: ++ | 18:45 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad actually, I think we agreed live migration is project scope :) | 18:45 |
| kmalloc | edmondsw: it might be both | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | doing things with hypervisors would be an example of system level operations since hypervisors don't really belong to projects | 18:45 |
| kmalloc | it is an example of "both" | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: yeah - it can apply to both | 18:45 |
| kmalloc | a lot of nova is both | 18:46 |
| edmondsw | not sure I agree there | 18:46 |
| kmalloc | but glance public images is a case of "defintely system" | 18:46 |
| edmondsw | maybe | 18:46 |
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| kmalloc | like cloud-wide provider supplied images | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | or listing the uptime of a hypervision, i can't think of a way where that makes sense in project scope | 18:46 |
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| lbragstad | hypervisor* | 18:46 |
| kmalloc | or adjusting hypervisor values. | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | OK, this is fine. Can someone be on the hook to write this up? | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: lbragstad has a lot of the info. | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | that's already on me | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | and i've started that work | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | and i think hrybacki has some of the details/pictures | 18:47 |
| kmalloc | from the PTG | 18:47 |
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| lbragstad | i'll be breaking that into two separate specs for oslo.policy | 18:47 |
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| hrybacki | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-PTG-keystone-policy-roadmap | 18:47 |
| hrybacki | pics are towards the bottom | 18:47 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, sounds good. I'll keep pushing at it to see if we can find holes, but my biggest concern is that it depends on the projects implementing it. Are there project reps tagged to do the capabilites work? | 18:48 |
| kmalloc | ayoung: community goal in rocky | 18:48 |
| kmalloc | same as policy-in-code is for queens | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | which i will likely champion unless others want to help out | 18:48 |
| kmalloc | the projects have been good at getting it done once we have a champion and agreement from the TV | 18:49 |
| kmalloc | TC* | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | current progress https://www.lbragstad.com/policy-burndown/ | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | #link https://www.lbragstad.com/policy-burndown/ | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | ten minutes left - anyone else have something they'd like to talk about? | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | cool - let's get some time back before office hours starts | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | thanks everyone! | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 18:52:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-26-18.00.html | 18:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-26-18.00.txt | 18:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-09-26-18.00.log.html | 18:52 |
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| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 26 19:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| * mordred waves | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | Hello everyone. Today's meeting will be short due to the zuulv3 deployment | 19:01 |
| fungi | meeting-ish! | 19:01 |
| clarkb | rather than a normal structured meeting I'll open it up to open discussion so that you can bring up anything important that might otherwise get missed by the zuulv3 deployment | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #topic open discussion | 19:01 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | So if there is anything urgent we shouldn't miss while busy with zuulv3 please bring it up now :) | 19:02 |
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| fungi | there's a request on the -dev ml from the mogan team to force-push (or might just be a fastforward push?) to restore their forked nova file history | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | I believ eit is a force push as they rewrote the nova history back into the git history | 19:04 |
| clarkb | probably what we need to hvae there is schedule a time for them when they can freeze mogan, update the new repo then we force push it for them | 19:04 |
| clarkb | I will work on responding to that thread today | 19:04 |
| clarkb | Also re Gerrit upgrade there is one last issue remaining that we have found which is fixing the requirements updates | 19:05 |
| clarkb | I don't think this is super urgent right now though | 19:05 |
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| mordred | clarkb: can you expand on that? | 19:05 |
| mordred | oh | 19:05 |
| mordred | that | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | mordred: in the past gerrit rejected commits that had no delta | 19:06 |
| mordred | I remember | 19:06 |
| mordred | yah | 19:06 |
| clarkb | but now it accepts them | 19:06 |
| clarkb | so we need to make our diffing in the requirements updates jobs smarter to not push when in the psat it would've errored | 19:06 |
| mordred | that'll be easier to fix with v3 live - since we won't have to wait for new images to build | 19:06 |
| clarkb | its low priority because its not completely wrong, more annoying | 19:06 |
| mordred | yah | 19:06 |
| fungi | right, i've sort of been tracking that as a possible to do list item for myself (if nobody else is eager to take it on) but wanted to wait until after zuul v3 cutover dust has settled a bit | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | its looking like the zuul deployment is getting busier, I'll give this another couple minutes for other topics but otherwise will end the meeting so that we can focus on that | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | alright, thanks everyone. Now for zuulv3 | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting infra | 19:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 26 19:11:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-09-26-19.00.html | 19:11 |
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| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:15 |
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| fungi | next tc office hour at 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc | 20:05 |
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