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| joehuang | hello | 01:01 |
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| Yipei | hi | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 01:01:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:01 |
| xuzhuang | hi | 01:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:01 |
| xuzhuang | #info xuzhuang | 01:01 |
| RongHui11 | #info ronghui | 01:01 |
| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 01:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:02 |
| RongHui11 | hi | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | hello | 01:02 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 01:03 |
| joehuang | currently new PTL election is ongoing, and almost done | 01:03 |
| joehuang | only one candidate for tricircle project, If I am correctly | 01:03 |
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| joehuang | so no voting for tricircle project | 01:03 |
| joehuang | next week, the chair of the weekly meeting will be handed over to new PTL | 01:04 |
| joehuang | is it ok? | 01:05 |
| zhiyuan | fine | 01:05 |
| RongHui11 | no problem | 01:05 |
| dongfeng | fine | 01:05 |
| Yipei | fine, got it | 01:05 |
| joehuang | #topic regression test | 01:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "regression test (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:05 | |
| joehuang | As discussed in the maillist, ttx thought that we need to cut stable/pike branch early, so that if there is any critical issue, we have chance to fix it | 01:07 |
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| joehuang | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120946.html | 01:07 |
| fredli__ | good morning, tricircle team | 01:08 |
| joehuang | hello, fred | 01:08 |
| joehuang | we had planned to cut stable/pike August 22 | 01:08 |
| joehuang | We may need to move the cutting earlier this week | 01:09 |
| joehuang | have you found any critical issues in regression test? | 01:09 |
| dongfeng | I conduct the tests for admin API for tricircle and tricircleclient, the CRUD operation for pods/routing/jobs works well. only job pagination is needed in tricirclelient. | 01:09 |
| joehuang | I found two bugs need to be addressed soon | 01:10 |
| joehuang | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle/+bug/1711001 | 01:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1711001 in Tricircle "Job list not filtered by project" [Undecided,New] | 01:10 |
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| joehuang | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle/+bug/1711003 | 01:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1711003 in Tricircle "routing list not filtered by project" [Undecided,New] | 01:10 |
| joehuang | both these two API processing need to consider the project filtering | 01:11 |
| joehuang | would someone help fix these two bugs ASAP, then we can cut the stable/pike branch | 01:12 |
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| dongfeng | I remember that project is a mandatory filter but later we didn't implement it. | 01:13 |
| dongfeng | ok, I will fix it | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | it can be passed via the filter | 01:13 |
| dongfeng | yes | 01:13 |
| joehuang | could you fix it today? we have to move fast for the stable/pike branch | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | then you need to extract project id in tricircle client | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | or you add a new client option for project id? | 01:14 |
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| dongfeng | change project id filter from optional to mandatory in tricircle and tricircleclient | 01:15 |
| joehuang | support it in tricircle side in pike | 01:15 |
| joehuang | because tricricleclient has already cut the stable/pike branch, and no fix will be included in pike | 01:15 |
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| zhiyuan | so extract the project id in the context and pass it as the filter by default? | 01:16 |
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| dongfeng | ok. got it. so new command for routings will be "curl -x get /routings/project-id"? | 01:17 |
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| joehuang | there is project in the context for the user's request | 01:17 |
| dongfeng | so new command for routings will be "curl -x get /routings?project-id=xxx"? | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | I think asking user to always pass the project-id is not user-friendly | 01:18 |
| joehuang | the client side is freeze now, not to change the command, and API format is also freeze, it is very serious to change API | 01:19 |
| zhiyuan | what if the project-id is not passed, dongfeng? will you return a bad request error? | 01:19 |
| dongfeng | no error. | 01:19 |
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| dongfeng | how about specifying project_id internally and remove the project_id filter ? | 01:21 |
| joehuang | no, by default, you need to filter by the project-id in the request context | 01:22 |
| dongfeng | so project_id also serves as filter and can be specify from command line ? | 01:24 |
| joehuang | yes, if there is project id specified, then check whether the user has the right to query data from the specified project, if yes, filter by the specified project, otherwise, filter with the project-id in the context by default | 01:26 |
| joehuang | if there is project id specified, then check whether the user has the right to query data from the specified project, if yes, filter by the specified project, if not, reject the request. If no project-id is specified, filter with the project-id in the context by default | 01:27 |
| zhiyuan | here is a problem, can we directly know from the context whether the user has the "admin" role of another project? | 01:28 |
| zhiyuan | context may only contain (userA, projectA, role of userA in projectA) | 01:29 |
| zhiyuan | but user may pass projectB as filter | 01:29 |
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| joehuang | so we have to only use the project id in the context to filter the query data | 01:33 |
| dongfeng | then no project id filter ? | 01:33 |
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| dongfeng | then no project id filter from command line? | 01:34 |
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| joehuang | not to add currently, and no need indeed | 01:35 |
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| joehuang | more comment for the filtering? | 01:36 |
| zhiyuan | so we do the following changes (1) extract project id from context ans use as filter (2) if project id is passed, check if it match the project id in the context | 01:37 |
| zhiyuan | is that right? | 01:37 |
| zhiyuan | s/ans/snd | 01:37 |
| zhiyuan | s/ans/and | 01:37 |
| dongfeng | if only one project id, then no need specify it from cli | 01:38 |
| zhiyuan | but user may deliberately pass a project id which doesn't match his/her context | 01:39 |
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| joehuang | we have to ignore the project-id passed from the cli, because no idea whether the user has enough right to query the project | 01:39 |
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| joehuang | we only filtering the data the user is authorized | 01:40 |
| zhiyuan | oh, just ignore it? | 01:40 |
| joehuang | so only using the project-id and role in the context(which is authenticated) | 01:40 |
| joehuang | currently just ignore that, and update the API document to stress this | 01:41 |
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| dongfeng | stress like "project id must be current user" ? | 01:43 |
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| joehuang | project-id filter will be ignored, and only the project id in which the user is authorized will be used as the filter. | 01:45 |
| dongfeng | got it. | 01:45 |
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| joehuang | project-id filter in URL query string will be ignored, and only the project id in which the user is authorized will be used as the filter. | 01:47 |
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| joehuang | the last description is better | 01:47 |
| dongfeng | got it | 01:48 |
| joehuang | so these two bugs are put in "high" importance | 01:48 |
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| joehuang | and hope it can be fixed today, so that we can cut the stable/pike branch if no high/critical bug is reported today | 01:49 |
| dongfeng | en, I will handle asap. | 01:49 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:49 |
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| joehuang | other topic? | 01:49 |
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| Yipei | for lbaas, some modification on get_subnet is needed to adapt lbaas, once it is finished the lbaas is compeleted. since i commented the line of checking whether subnet exists, it works well in both neutron-lbaas api and octavia api | 01:50 |
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| joehuang | Good, yipei, welcome the LBaaS to land in Queen | 01:51 |
| zhiyuan | so next step is trying to modify get_subnet in central_plugin/local_plugin ? | 01:51 |
| Yipei | only in local | 01:51 |
| Yipei | to joehuang, not in pike? | 01:52 |
| joehuang | no, pike is feature freeze, and now it's regression test, no feature is allowd | 01:52 |
| RongHui11 | for QoS, we pass all the test yesterday and please review it :) | 01:52 |
| zhiyuan | modifying get_subnet in local_plugin needs to be careful since get_subnet is also used to handle VM creation | 01:53 |
| joehuang | to Ronghui, please include functional test too, just like what zhiyuan did for the smoke test for other features | 01:53 |
| Yipei | to zhiyuan, got it, i will discuss the details with you guys | 01:53 |
| zhiyuan | so do we plan a PTG for Queens? | 01:54 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 01:55 |
| joehuang | yes | 01:55 |
| joehuang | PTG for queens is indeed to be in the table now | 01:55 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 01:56 |
| RongHui11 | no for me | 01:56 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 01:56 |
| Yipei | no for me | 01:56 |
| zhiyuan | no more | 01:56 |
| xuzhuang | no | 01:57 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:57 |
| joehuang | thank you for attending the meeting | 01:58 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 01:58:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-16-01.01.html | 01:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-16-01.01.txt | 01:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-08-16-01.01.log.html | 01:58 |
| joehuang | bye | 01:58 |
| dongfeng | bye | 01:58 |
| Yipei | bye | 01:58 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 01:58 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 04:30:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:30 | |
| gongysh | hi | 04:30 |
| trinaths | o/ | 04:30 |
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| gongysh | who are you guys for tacker meeting? | 04:30 |
| gongysh | trinaths, hi | 04:30 |
| YanXing_an | O/ | 04:31 |
| trinaths | gongysh: hi, | 04:31 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: hi | 04:31 |
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| phuoc | hi all | 04:32 |
| gongysh | lets wait until 35 | 04:32 |
| YanXing_an | the Sydney summit presentation voting have result？ | 04:33 |
| gongysh | in particular for tung_doan and dharmendra | 04:33 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: august month end we might receive notifications whether in or out | 04:34 |
| YanXing_an | Trinaths, ok, thanks | 04:34 |
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| gongysh | it seems these two guys will be absent | 04:36 |
| trinaths | ok | 04:36 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:36 | |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, does your ns spec can be merged these days? | 04:36 |
| gongysh | I want to release tacker server. | 04:37 |
| gongysh | and need to know what I should wait for. | 04:37 |
| gongysh | I thought I should wait for tung_doan and dharmendra patches. | 04:37 |
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| tung_doan | hi all | 04:38 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, hi | 04:38 |
| gongysh | just talk about your patches. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | I said I wanted to release tacker server. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | and wait for your commitment to your patches. | 04:38 |
| gongysh | how long I should wait for your patches? | 04:38 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: yep. Please let me know the deadline.. i will procedure this patch soon | 04:38 |
| YanXing_an | I will try to finish it before tung_doan and dharmendra's patches, otherwise, not wait for me. | 04:39 |
| gongysh | at most two weeks. | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: my main effort will be put on this week | 04:39 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, ok, thanks | 04:40 |
| YanXing_an | the vnffg spec still have some issues to discuss and be confirmed | 04:40 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, trinaths , please review closely for tung_doan's patches. | 04:40 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: thanks | 04:40 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok, that patch is first priority | 04:41 |
| gongysh | dharmendra's patches are important to us too, but he is not stable to do the contribution. | 04:41 |
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| tung_doan | YanXing_an: trinaths: probably pls wait after i push the new patch this week | 04:41 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, hi | 04:41 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 04:41 |
| YanXing_an | Hi, dhushwaha | 04:41 |
| dkushwaha | sorry i amlate | 04:41 |
| trinaths | ok | 04:41 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, in the end we got you. | 04:42 |
| trinaths | :) | 04:42 |
| gongysh | <gongysh>dharmendra's patches are important to us too, but he is not stable to do the contribution. | 04:43 |
| gongysh | I want to release tacker server in 2 weeks. | 04:43 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it | 04:43 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, your patches about vnf monitor policies are important for this cycle. | 04:43 |
| gongysh | do you have plan to finish it in these two weeks? | 04:44 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, hi | 04:44 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, i could not work much in last week, but yes, i am hoping to complete it in couple of days | 04:45 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, ok, let's do it with moonlight effort. | 04:46 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, I have commented your patch. | 04:46 |
| gongysh | you can reply quickly, and if you need more review, you can ping me via wechat. | 04:47 |
| gongysh | I can review once I got the notification. | 04:47 |
| gongysh | lets merge it in this cycle. | 04:47 |
| gongysh | if you have no time, let me know, I will arrange my company guy to help. | 04:48 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sure, i will be able to check after 2 hours, and will respond/update | 04:48 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, ok, thanks. | 04:48 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, hi | 04:48 |
| YanXing_an | hi | 04:49 |
| gongysh | what do you want to discuss about ns with vnffg? | 04:49 |
| YanXing_an | I have researched on ns last week, tested it | 04:49 |
| gongysh | nice | 04:49 |
| YanXing_an | i think we have two ways to support vnffg in ns | 04:49 |
| YanXing_an | the first is importing vnffg in ns, similar with vnf in ns, | 04:50 |
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| YanXing_an | the second is defining vnffg details in ns, I don't know which one is best. | 04:50 |
| YanXing_an | What do you think? | 04:50 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, do you have idea? | 04:50 |
| YanXing_an | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109 | 04:51 |
| YanXing_an | Have updated a draft patchset | 04:51 |
| dkushwaha | YanXing_an, i think it will be better to have vnffg in ns, instead to going through vnffg details | 04:52 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: +1 | 04:52 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, you choose first or second one? | 04:53 |
| tung_doan | import vnffgd inside ns seems complicated | 04:53 |
| YanXing_an | Ok, I also suggest to use the first way | 04:53 |
| dkushwaha | i mean first one | 04:53 |
| tung_doan | why we dont follow the second one? | 04:53 |
| phuoc | I think the second option is better | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | it seems ETSI standard also had the same desccription | 04:54 |
| gongysh | Lets do step by step. | 04:54 |
| YanXing_an | The problem is, when we create nsd, we should create vnfd, vnffgd at first. | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | even the second one will be easy to do | 04:54 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, now we support create with direct descriptors to create resources. | 04:55 |
| gongysh | create -> creating | 04:55 |
| tung_doan | vnffg is the combinatin of VNFs.. it should be abstracted in ns. I think | 04:55 |
| YanXing_an | If using the second one, we should define vnfd details in ns too. tung_doan, yes, you got the point | 04:57 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, first lets do via import vnffgd way, and also we need to do via embedded vnffgd in nsd | 04:58 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, in my openion first we should go with 1st approach as we already have stable vnffg. And then we can think to move 2nd one | 04:58 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, two minds think the same. | 04:58 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, +1 | 04:58 |
| YanXing_an | Ok, got it, thanks all | 04:58 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, do you have else about NS with vnffg? | 04:59 |
| YanXing_an | Nothing | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | ok | 04:59 |
| gongysh | #topic coding | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, what do you want to talk about your two bps' coding? | 05:00 |
| gongysh | I cannot see new code patches in | 05:00 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: vnffg healing and scaling has some similar code | 05:00 |
| tung_doan | once i finish vnffg-healing, vnffg-scaling will be done soon | 05:00 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, ok | 05:01 |
| tung_doan | now phuoc and I are trying to wrap two these features | 05:01 |
| gongysh | look forwards to your code patches. | 05:01 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: sure. really want to finish both of them this week | 05:01 |
| gongysh | #topic open discuss | 05:02 |
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| tung_doan | dkushwaha: gongysh: could you help merge this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493308/ | 05:02 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, I think we have talked about state transition diagram before. | 05:02 |
| YanXing_an | Yeh | 05:02 |
| tung_doan | some tacker users are not happy because of this bug :) | 05:02 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, do you have any progress on that? | 05:04 |
| YanXing_an | If so, I must draw the diagram asap. | 05:04 |
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| dkushwaha | tung_doan, its again horizon | 05:04 |
| tung_doan | dkushwaha: right.. it is also up to ocata version | 05:05 |
| tung_doan | :) | 05:05 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, you help to do it, put it into related dev doc or user guide. | 05:05 |
| YanXing_an | Gongysh, ok, will do it | 05:06 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, I saw you have rechecked https://review.openstack.org/#/c/470863/ | 05:06 |
| gongysh | it failed a test case. | 05:06 |
| gongysh | do you have any idea for it? | 05:06 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: ah. i think if we recheck again it will work :) multi-vdu testing sometime gets failed :) | 05:07 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, :) | 05:08 |
| gongysh | ok | 05:08 |
| tung_doan | just like weather :) | 05:08 |
| gongysh | children's face :) | 05:09 |
| YanXing_an | haha | 05:09 |
| gongysh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-queen-grooming | 05:10 |
| gongysh | lets thought it about new features in queen cycle. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | thought -> think | 05:11 |
| dkushwaha | any update on sydny topic selection ? | 05:11 |
| gongysh | after the tacker server release, we will have one virtual meeting. | 05:12 |
| gongysh | I will send out the ptg meeting announcement via openstack dev mail list today. | 05:13 |
| YanXing_an | If we have the meeting link, please broadcast it at first time | 05:14 |
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| gongysh | ok | 05:18 |
| gongysh | thats my all. | 05:18 |
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| gongysh | thanks | 05:21 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 05:21:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-08-16-04.30.html | 05:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-08-16-04.30.txt | 05:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-08-16-04.30.log.html | 05:21 |
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| trinaths | bye | 05:22 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 11:00:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Hello | 11:00 |
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| martial_ | Hello Stig | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 11:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial_ oneswig | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | Morning martial_ | 11:01 |
| zz9pzza | Hi :) | 11:01 |
| verdurin | Afternoon. | 11:01 |
| enolfc | Hi | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hi zz9pzza verdurin enolfc | 11:01 |
| daveholland | hello! | 11:01 |
| oneswig | and daveholland! | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today (such as it is) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_16th_2017 | 11:01 |
| priteau | Hello | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Main item of interest this week is the second edition of the book | 11:02 |
| martial_ | my, quite a good turnout of people I do not remember before. Welcome all | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Indeed, welcome everyone | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | #topic Scientific OpenStack book revision | 11:03 |
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| daveholland | @oneswig possibly for that (or for AOB) I would like to ask people's opinions and experiences about reporting "availability" of an entire Openstack platform (not just nagios) | 11:03 |
| oneswig | daveholland: good topic, lets keep time for AOB | 11:03 |
| daveholland | TY | 11:04 |
| oneswig | So, the book was created for Supercomputing 2016 and handed out by various people at the conference | 11:04 |
| oneswig | I think it was really popular and well received | 11:04 |
| oneswig | I've seen a number of people since with copies of it | 11:04 |
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| oneswig | So this is a great way we can make a difference | 11:04 |
| oneswig | The plan is to revise / improve / extend the book for SC2017 | 11:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy enjoyed reading the previous edition | 11:05 | |
| zz9pzza | hi john congrats btw | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Hi johnthetubaguy, good to see you | 11:05 |
| martial_ | #link Working document to organize resources https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 11:05 |
| oneswig | :-) | 11:05 |
| oneswig | thanks martial_ | 11:06 |
| oneswig | I missed last week's meeting, can you recap the discussion from the US timezone? | 11:06 |
| oneswig | Or should I just read the etherpad :-) | 11:06 |
| martial_ | sorry, copying data, but basically | 11:07 |
| oneswig | OK, there's some very useful contributions offered there. | 11:07 |
| martial_ | Mr Hoge said "With time running out, real-time update from Kathy regarding the book. Deadline is Sept 22" | 11:07 |
| zz9pzza | Dave has been grabbed by someone, "Sangar multi-tenant Lustre integration ?" I will talk with him later as my English skills are minimal | 11:08 |
| martial_ | a few people offered to work on updates of previous chapters | 11:08 |
| martial_ | and we have --so far-- a short number of new papers to to add | 11:09 |
| oneswig | #link document source is here https://github.com/openstack/scientific-wg | 11:09 |
| oneswig | martial_: one of the hoped-for contributions is a section on federation, right? | 11:09 |
| enolfc | oneswig: who's contributing to the federated identity chapter? | 11:10 |
| oneswig | enolfc: well volunteered? :-) | 11:10 |
| oneswig | How is EGI federation going BTW? | 11:10 |
| martial_ | oneswig: I tried to reach out to Dr Bohn but he will not be able to do one, so there is a possibility about the ORC | 11:10 |
| enolfc | oneswig: I guess I have volunteered :) | 11:10 |
| oneswig | I believe there was jmlowe from Indiana University looking to make a contribution. | 11:11 |
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| enolfc | EGI is now ready to move to federated identity with OpenID Connect and planning to do so in production in the next months | 11:11 |
| zioproto | hello, sorry I guess I am 10 minutes late | 11:11 |
| oneswig | thanks enolfc, that'd be great to have your input | 11:11 |
| noggin143 | I'll have a chat with Jose. We could certainly review the federation chapter but may not have time to write it. | 11:11 |
| oneswig | Hi zioproto, welcome | 11:11 |
| martial_ | and Mr Fernandez just did volunteer :) | 11:11 |
| enolfc | I can also check with INDIGO colleagues as I see you also mention it in the current text | 11:12 |
| martial_ | welcome zioproto | 11:12 |
| oneswig | Hi noggin143, thanks, that would be a great help. What tends to happen is a body of text is written followed by 2-3 case studies. A case study is typically half a page with a picture | 11:12 |
| oneswig | Perhaps that might not be too onerous for Jose? | 11:13 |
| noggin143 | That sounds OK. | 11:13 |
| noggin143 | A sample configuration on how to do federated id with Edugain and Active Directory | 11:13 |
| oneswig | I recall much of the existing text came from the user story zioproto put together last year | 11:13 |
| noggin143 | we could do that. | 11:13 |
| oneswig | noggin143: that would be brilliant. | 11:14 |
| oneswig | martial_: do you recall the ID federation jmlowe was discussion - was it Globus via OIDC? | 11:14 |
| martial_ | that sounds right | 11:15 |
| oneswig | martial_: who can we approach wrt a closing paragraph on ORC? | 11:15 |
| oneswig | Or should we wait for results first there? | 11:16 |
| martial_ | enol is involved with it | 11:16 |
| enolfc | oneswig, nogging143: we can have 3 use cases, Edugain, AD and EGI | 11:16 |
| oneswig | Ah, great, of course. | 11:16 |
| enolfc | oneswig: I can provide the ORC text | 11:17 |
| oneswig | Ideally we'd have diverse approaches in the case studies. Any keycloak users out there? I recall that was discussed positively | 11:17 |
| oneswig | Thanks enolfc, appreciated | 11:18 |
| daveholland | not sure who added Sanger Lustre integration to the etherpad (it wasn't us!) but as I'm presenting it at LAD in October then - given guidance on number of words/diagrams, expected audience, etc - that might be do-able. Is it too niche? | 11:18 |
| martial_ | Enol: I missed the last ORC meeting but I will be able to join the next one. We can add this conversation to the agenda for the next meeting | 11:19 |
| oneswig | daveholland: Not at all. We have a whole chapter on filesystems IIRC, this would make a great case study | 11:19 |
| martial_ | daveholland: I would love to see this paper | 11:19 |
| zz9pzza | We are going to spend a chunk of time going over things and writing it up as a paper ish could be done. | 11:19 |
| daveholland | OK, I will have to read the current version :) | 11:19 |
| enolfc | martial_: sure, I think will start joining again next week also | 11:19 |
| martial_ | as we get closer, we are going to need to make sure we have reviewers also | 11:20 |
| oneswig | Can those who volunteered add their names + details to the end of the etherpad so we can keep track? thanks | 11:20 |
| verdurin | martial_: given everything else I'm doing at the moment, I'm unlikely to be able to submit new material, but happy to be a reviewer | 11:20 |
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| martial_ | maybe we should request for the deadline to be made shorter (vs the official 22nd) to get a couple reviewers per chapter | 11:21 |
| oneswig | Thanks verdurin, that would be appreciated | 11:21 |
| martial_ | the 22nd is a Friday so our meeting is likely the 19th that week ... 2 days to review, 2 days to fix | 11:21 |
| oneswig | martial_: We'll probably need all the time we can, but definitely want to avoid a massive body of unreviewed documentation come the 21st | 11:22 |
| oneswig | Excellent - any more to cover here? | 11:23 |
| oneswig | Thanks for everyone's volunteering :-) | 11:23 |
| oneswig | #topic OpenStack London | 11:23 |
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| oneswig | Not much defined here but for those who are planning to attend OpenStack Days UK on 26th September, we have a slot booked for the WG. | 11:24 |
| oneswig | I was wondering how we should fill it... | 11:24 |
| martial_ | how long are you talking about? | 11:24 |
| zz9pzza | Dave has a hurdy gurdy. | 11:25 |
| martial_ | (that seems to be about the same time as the ORC meeting?) | 11:25 |
| oneswig | It's probably an hour, might be 40 mins. Will need to check | 11:25 |
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| oneswig | zz9pzza: Thanks for your input :-) | 11:25 |
| noggin143 | I'll be there too. | 11:26 |
| martial_ | 10 minutes intro to the group, a stig-sentation follow by a couple lighting talks? | 11:26 |
| noggin143 | but I think I'm talking in another slot. | 11:26 |
| oneswig | noggin143: at the same time? We can't have that. I haven't seen timing but I'll try to get things shuffled if so | 11:26 |
| noggin143 | don't know the schedule yet | 11:27 |
| oneswig | martial_: That's a good model, has worked previously. | 11:27 |
| noggin143 | +1 for the lightning talks | 11:27 |
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| martial_ | stig: you can make a tease about the meeting in Sydney as well :) | 11:28 |
| oneswig | Do we have volunteers for talks? | 11:28 |
| oneswig | I might know one or two interested people | 11:28 |
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| zz9pzza | Tim or Pete are doing the lustre talk as a separate slot. | 11:29 |
| oneswig | zz9pzza: daveholland: Is Tim C presenting? Ah OK | 11:29 |
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| oneswig | I'll sound out some people | 11:30 |
| martial_ | sounds like it is going to be a great pesentation, will it be streamed? | 11:30 |
| oneswig | We can also offer to people on the day, but that's uncertain | 11:30 |
| oneswig | martial_: The talks were filmed last year, so I would expect so | 11:31 |
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| oneswig | OK, was there anything more on OSD UK? Nothing here | 11:32 |
| oneswig | #topic Open Research Clouds | 11:32 |
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| oneswig | How is it going? | 11:32 |
| martial_ | I missee the last meeting, maybe enol can let us know? | 11:33 |
| enolfc | I also missed last meeting | 11:33 |
| enolfc | but from EGI we have the logistics ready for having the congress in Amsterdam | 11:34 |
| martial_ | okay, well the last meeting I attended, things were still in definition | 11:34 |
| enolfc | registration is already open | 11:34 |
| martial_ | working groups were forming' | 11:34 |
| oneswig | enolfc: It's end September, right? | 11:34 |
| enolfc | Now there is some discussion about sponsorship | 11:34 |
| enolfc | yes, 27-29 | 11:34 |
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| enolfc | I plan to have AAI wg starting to meet from next week | 11:35 |
| martial_ | #link http://www.openresearchcloud.org/orc-events/amsterdam-september-2017/ | 11:35 |
| oneswig | enolfc: can you link to the EGI page for it? | 11:35 |
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| enolfc | when some EGI people is back from holiday | 11:35 |
| oneswig | Ah, thanks :-) | 11:35 |
| enolfc | https://indico.egi.eu/indico/event/3414/ | 11:35 |
| oneswig | Intriguing fish | 11:35 |
| enolfc | We now need to start moving things in the other wg, and finalise agenda | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Who should attend? | 11:36 |
| martial_ | here are the latest happenings (had to find the link) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NdcuKlSKnQU_RqWI3lcgpJWwg6a0qhaJra-wN8zCqg8/edit | 11:37 |
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| oneswig | OK, thanks martial_ enolfc - any more to add here? | 11:38 |
| martial_ | oneswig: as to who should attend, I think anybody that can contribute to the effort | 11:38 |
| enolfc | martial_ +1 | 11:39 |
| enolfc | oneswig: no more updates from me so far | 11:39 |
| martial_ | oneswig: there was a request to contribute from the point of view of scientific computing as well | 11:39 |
| martial_ | oneswig: so it is going to depend on the narrative of that conversation | 11:39 |
| martial_ | I think Tim mentioned he might be able to make it | 11:40 |
| martial_ | I am possibly going to be there as well | 11:40 |
| oneswig | martial_: The timing is possible for me, however my level of contribution is uncertain | 11:40 |
| oneswig | OK - next item? | 11:41 |
| martial_ | Khalil requested a small presentation on the state of scientific computing and why an ORC would be welcome | 11:41 |
| martial_ | oneswig: go ahead | 11:41 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:41 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: take it away mr music | 11:41 |
| martial_ | I wanted to share this link ... a cool program I discussed with Flanders | 11:41 |
| martial_ | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/openstack-mentor-mentee-program/ | 11:42 |
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| daveholland | ta :) so, we are happy measuring e.g. "is the API up" with nagios. But we are dancing around a measurement for "availability" for an OpenStack platform. e.g. if one user cannot deploy a large flavour instance because of hypervisor memory fragmentation, that's a showstopper for him, but the platform is still available. | 11:42 |
| martial_ | and for those who have not seen it so far ... | 11:42 |
| daveholland | anyone got thoughts, experiences, opionions? | 11:42 |
| martial_ | #link http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/scientific-wg-update/ | 11:42 |
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| zz9pzza | What happens if say I can't create new volumes but everything else is working ... | 11:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | daveholland: did you look at using rally to regular test if you can create an instance? | 11:43 |
| noggin143 | For those interested in nested quotas, I have posted the CERN model proposal to https://openstack-in-production.blogspot.ch/2017/07/nested-quota-models.html. Happy to discuss if there are other proposals too. | 11:43 |
| daveholland | @johnthetubaguy an "end to end" nagios test (maybe using heat) is on my radar, not thought of rally, I'd mentally got that as a post-deploy benchmark - am I wrong? | 11:44 |
| noggin143 | At CERN, we run Rally to give the availability. A sample set of workloads runs constantly, creating VMs, attaching volumes etc. It works great. | 11:44 |
| oneswig | noggin143: is it on CERN ops github? | 11:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I knew someone told me about that before, must have been noggin143 | 11:44 |
| daveholland | OK I will take a look. (it will inflate the headline "12345 instances launched to date" number, but hey) | 11:45 |
| noggin143 | old presentation is at https://indico.cern.ch/event/407658/contributions/968467/attachments/1126441/1608329/150330_rally_deployment_cern.pdf for details. | 11:45 |
| zz9pzza | Thanks | 11:45 |
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| noggin143 | It's great for the VMs/hour graphs too :-) | 11:45 |
| daveholland | @noggin143 thanks! | 11:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | noggin143: quota wise, I guess that is going to come up at the PTG, I might try sync up with that effort again, are other folks there to discuss that already? | 11:46 |
| oneswig | I thought this was pretty cool from Nectar: https://status.rc.nectar.org.au/capacity/ | 11:46 |
| oneswig | It's not directly related, but plugs the gap of revealing the available capacity on a private cloud | 11:46 |
| noggin143 | For quota, I'd passed the information to Sean Dague who was looking for the 'rulesets'. | 11:47 |
| daveholland | @oneswig that's something else we've been asked for, in the context of a small host aggregate/ceph-backed flavour for "pets" | 11:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | noggin143: cool, he is leading that discussion AFAIK | 11:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | the placement API should help some with capacity queries: https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/placement.html#rest-api | 11:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/placement/ might be the better link | 11:49 |
| priteau | johnthetubaguy: What is the default access policy to discover capacity? | 11:50 |
| oneswig | This autogenerated documentation is really good johnthetubaguy | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: its largely hand written now, to get it better, ups and downs | 11:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | priteau: its admin only API at the moment | 11:50 |
| oneswig | In which case, I should say this hand-written documentation is really consistent :-0 | 11:51 |
| daveholland | even an admin API is fine for populating metrics to produce a user-visible graph/number | 11:51 |
| priteau | johnthetubaguy: That's a sound default, but it would be nice if most academic/community clouds allowed users to query it | 11:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | priteau: its got a policy rule you can change, as usual, I think, that should just be the default | 11:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | daveholland: +1 | 11:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its probably better to build graphs like the nectar ones from that info | 11:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | it used to be crazy hard to extract that data, should be easier / more portable now | 11:53 |
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| noggin143 | Placement stuff looks promising... time to throw away the nasty local legacy database scripts... | 11:54 |
| priteau | +1 | 11:55 |
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| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: are you looking at the resource provider inventories here? | 11:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: that is one way, you can also query what resource providers have space for a particular flavor you are interested in | 11:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its a resource request, rather than a flavor, but there is a mapping | 11:56 |
| oneswig | and in response you'd get a 'yes' or 'I can accommodate 800 of those'? | 11:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think you get a list of candidates where it can fit, with info on how many you could fit in each candidate (not sure how obvious the second part is) | 11:57 |
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| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: sounds very good for this case (and not at all what a public cloud would want to share) | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | the real answer is probably need to add some APIs to make life easier, but I think its possible without | 11:58 |
| oneswig | OK we are nearly upon the hour - any more to add? | 11:59 |
| daveholland | lots to think about and try out. thanks all | 11:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its currently not exposed externally by default (I would recommend) | 11:59 |
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| oneswig | OK time to close the meeting - thanks everyone, very useful discussion | 12:00 |
| martial_ | very good conversation, the meeting notes are going to be fun :) | 12:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 12:00:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-16-11.00.html | 12:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-16-11.00.txt | 12:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-08-16-11.00.log.html | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Until next time! | 12:00 |
| priteau | Good bye everyone | 12:00 |
| daveholland | bye all! | 12:00 |
| martial_ | thanks everybody | 12:00 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 14:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | 0/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rhochmuth | is anyone here for the weekly monasca meeting? | 14:01 |
| sgrasley1 | Yep | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | hi sgrasley1 | 14:02 |
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| rhochmuth | well, it looks like a pretty small group this week | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | just you and i | 14:02 |
| Christian_ | Hi Roland! | 14:03 |
| sgrasley1 | Well a short meeting then. | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | hi Shristian_ | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | Christian_ | 14:03 |
| yavor_OP5 | Hi Roland, Yavor here from OP5, thanks for the invite | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | so, i t hink some folks are out this week on vacation | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | i know witek is out | 14:03 |
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| rhochmuth | hi yavor_OP5 | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | glad you guys made it | 14:04 |
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| yavor_OP5 | trip down memory lane, this... must be 20 yrs since I last used irc ;) | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | lol | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | you'll love it | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | ok, the agenda doesn't have anything in it | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | i think we can go with an open floor | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | so do folks have any topics to discss this week | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | we have a nice backlog on reviews | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+monasca,n,z | 14:08 |
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| rhochmuth | OP5 folks, have you had a chance to review some of the areas of development and come to any direction? | 14:10 |
| rhochmuth | or conclusion | 14:10 |
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| yavor_OP5 | we've started investigating "poor man's clustering" on influxdb on our side... | 14:10 |
| rhochmuth | we had a number of strategies that we had considered that would involve some changes to monasca | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | one idea is that if an influxdb node/container goes down | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | when it is brought back on-line it would have to catch-up | 14:12 |
| yavor_OP5 | yup, we thought about that | 14:12 |
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| rhochmuth | therefore, queries from the monasca-api to that influxdb node would not occur until the consumer offset of the persister for that node was close to the producer offset | 14:13 |
| rhochmuth | this assumes that persister storage of some type is being used, such as EBS in an AWS environment | 14:13 |
| rhochmuth | or that the influxdb node is the same node as before with the same disks available | 14:13 |
| rhochmuth | if the node is down for a while, then it could take a while to catach-up via kafka and the persister | 14:14 |
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| rhochmuth | so another option is to copy the data from a working node to the new node | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | that is more invovled | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | and at some point i think data to both nodes would need to stop | 14:15 |
| yavor_OP5 | would it be OK to assume that the kafka cluster would provide storage needed for catch-up? | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | yes | 14:16 |
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| yavor_OP5 | since it is already a part of the reference architecture | 14:16 |
| rhochmuth | you could store data in kafka for several days or a week | 14:16 |
| yavor_OP5 | otherwise we put constraints on the influx implementation | 14:16 |
| yavor_OP5 | which may vary from instance to instance | 14:16 |
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| rhochmuth | the data is uncompressed in kafka, so the amount of storage is possibly the biggest issue | 14:17 |
| sgrasley1 | What are options for persisting to 2 influxdb instances | 14:17 |
| rhochmuth | you would need to size capacity appropriately to handle your injest rate | 14:17 |
| rhochmuth | sgrasley1: you can replicate influxdb using the open-source code | 14:18 |
| yavor_OP5 | what do you believe is a reasonable expectation of time to catch up with no loss? 2hrs? 2days? We have to have an idea about some sort of duration | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | or you can use infludb's proprietary clustering solution | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | i think the catch-up time is related to your amount of downtime, injest rate of metrics, and the throughput to the infludb node | 14:19 |
| rhochmuth | if your injest rate is 50K metrics/sec and you can only write 50K metrics/sec to influxdb, you would never catch-up | 14:19 |
| yavor_OP5 | sure.. | 14:20 |
| rhochmuth | so, you would have to measure that as it is dependent on systems, number of persisters | 14:20 |
| yavor_OP5 | but I still think that one needs to have a reasonable expectation of how long an influx outage can last without losing data... | 14:20 |
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| rhochmuth | in a kubernetes environment recovery times can be very quick | 14:21 |
| yavor_OP5 | to exemplify: from our company view if we can sustain an influx outage for a particular ingestion rate of 6 hrs x ingestion rate and then catchup then this is a perfectly acceptable clustering solution | 14:22 |
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| yavor_OP5 | which obviously leads to a question of how you monitor your Monasca instance ;)' | 14:22 |
| yavor_OP5 | rhochmuth: how would you like us to structure our findings? | 14:23 |
| rhochmuth | good question | 14:24 |
| rhochmuth | i think an overview of the various alternatives, pros/cons of each one | 14:24 |
| rhochmuth | the usual place where this ends-up in openstack is an etherpad | 14:24 |
| rhochmuth | For example, the monasca team meeting is at, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | but you could easily add an etherpad for influxdb | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | monasca-influxdb | 14:25 |
| yavor_OP5 | ok, will look into it | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | and, unless you are done earlier than the midcycle, we could review at one of the weekly meetings | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | but covering this at the mid-cycle woukld be best as that is just a few weeks away | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | witek will be organizing that | 14:26 |
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| rhochmuth | but, due to his vacation, it will take him another week to cover that | 14:26 |
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| rhochmuth | so, should we wrap-up a little early this week? | 14:28 |
| rhochmuth | unless there are other topics/questions to cover | 14:28 |
| Christian_ | I'm good | 14:28 |
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| rhochmuth | thx Christian_ | 14:29 |
| Christian_ | Yavor was the active one this time :-) | 14:29 |
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| rhochmuth | thanks for getting invovled in the project, we are looking forward to the involvement | 14:29 |
| rhochmuth | and sorry about the small group today | 14:29 |
| yavor_OP5 | thanks for the update! | 14:30 |
| rhochmuth | but it is that time of year when folks are taking vacations | 14:30 |
| yavor_OP5 | yeah, anything for you? | 14:30 |
| yavor_OP5 | in terms of vacation that is | 14:30 |
| rhochmuth | i have a backlog, but probably in september | 14:30 |
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| rhochmuth | OK everyone, thanks for the meeting today | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | see you all next week | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
| yavor_OP5 | have a nice one! | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 14:31:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-08-16-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-08-16-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-08-16-14.00.log.html | 14:31 |
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| haruki | Thank you | 14:31 |
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| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 16:00:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ・_・)ノ | 16:00 |
| bswartz | hello | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hello | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy viks ketonne abishop | 16:00 |
| wxy- | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | sivn | 16:01 |
| scottda | Hi | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | hemna ＼(-_- ) | 16:01 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Short agenda today. Any bets we'll take the whole time anyway? :) | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | That time already? | 16:02 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT! | 16:02 |
| lhx__ | o/ hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | It's a DuncanT ! | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: All bets are off. | 16:03 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:03 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | We are now in R-2. The end is near. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Just reminders that we are in hard string freeze now, so we should not allow anything with translations into stable/pike. | 16:04 |
| * jungleboyj is picturing the sandwich board again. | 16:04 | |
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| smcginnis | But if we have anything else critical, make sure you are proposing backport to stable/pike. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | We also have some os-brick and python-cinderclient patches merged for stable issues. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | We are still in freeze for those. Queens has not officially opened up yet. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Still a few more housekeeping things need to be done before we can really open the flood gates. | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | But as soon as that's through, we will get stable releases of those libraries for a couple important bug fixes. | 16:06 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: +1 :) | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: I know you are just waiting there. :) | 16:06 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: story of my life :) | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-queens Planning etherpad for PTG | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Hah! | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Getting more topics for the PTG. That's great. Please keep adding things as they come up. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | I can now leave it to jungleboyj to decide how to arrange them. :) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Wheeeeeeeee | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I will try to avoid it as much as possible, but realized I may have some conflicts now Wed-Fri. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You can't leave me! | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Fly little birdy, fly! :P | 16:09 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | *thud* | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Splat!!! | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Haha! | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087 PTG registration | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | If you haven't yet, please register for the ptg. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I will coordinate with your schedule if there are things you want to make sure you are available for. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Do we have any numbers yet on registration? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | People actually used the hotel this time. :-) | 16:10 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Overall registration is around 300 I think? | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hotel block is full | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Good, that seems better than ATL at this time of the cycle. | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | There are still rooms available but you don't get the rate anymore. | 16:11 |
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| lhx__ | smcginnis, what number do you mean, the number of people that cinder room can hold? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | lhx__: Was just curious on both the total number of registered attendees as well as Cinder attendees. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Any idea how many are planning to attend Cinder? Actually can't remember now if it asked this time. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I don't remember that it did. | 16:14 |
| lhx__ | smcginnis, 300 seems a big number :) | 16:14 |
| tommylikehu | 12 on the etherpad | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | lhx__: Yeah, not bad. | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Haven't looked. The numbers weren't that reliable last time though. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | :-) The regulars. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: I'm hoping there's more than 12. :) | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Any update from you? | 16:15 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: no :( | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Booo | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Good reminder though - please add your name to the etherpad if you are planning (or hoping) to attend. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Oh man, really? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: That's too bad. | 16:15 |
| tommylikehu | smcginnis: ok, I am wrong it's 13 | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Ha! :) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone have anything important to discuss as a team? | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | Is there any update on our mascot? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I see a mix of the new and the new-new mascot being used. I haven't received anything other than the old one. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Old-new | 16:17 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: what update? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I feel like they threw something at us to appease us but the links on the website haven't been updated. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I have a bunch of stickers for you now. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Like when they are going to add something to the offical list. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Kind of got caught with Heidi Joy leaving. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Which version? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Old-new | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh, that is right. | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: have they turned that thing around? Do we see head now?:) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Backen. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | d | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: You wish. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | brb Talk amongst yourselves. :) | 16:19 |
| xyang1 | Too bad:) | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Did you hear about smcginnis ? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj ? | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | OK, that was quicker than I thought. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | No talking about my hair and starting rumors. :D | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Nevermind , he is back. ssshhhh. ;-) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Oh that!!! | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Anything else or should we wrap up? | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Was just going to say you have a new office. ;-) | 16:21 |
| hemna | so I'm working on setting up an env to try out the active active HA for a few drivers, since it seems nobody has. | 16:21 |
| hemna | fwiw | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | Congrats to both jungleboyj and smcginnis ! | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: That is great. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | I think pots has been doing work around that for the Lenovo driver as well. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: Thank you! | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Awesome! | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Thanks :) | 16:22 |
| lhx__ | hemna, do you have a blog to share? | 16:22 |
| hemna | nah not yet, I'm just setting up my 2 blades | 16:23 |
| hemna | just starting really. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: In new office now. Thought my chair was here before when I had to run to the door, but I had just locked my wife out. :D | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | Testing HA, and getting drivers certified, defnitely needs to happen in Queens. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | I feel like we announced we have HA and then told everyone they can't use it. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Twice | 16:24 |
| hemna | my plan is to try out ceph and 3par | 16:24 |
| hemna | smcginnis, yup...we did. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Awesome! The office, not locking the wife out. | 16:24 |
| e0ne | hemna: cool. feel free to ping me if you need any help with ceph | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Agreed. Need to focus on that stuff in Queens. | 16:24 |
| hemna | e0ne, thanks I'm sure I'll need to at some point :) | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | OK, let's wrap it up then. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:26 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (。･∀･)ﾉ | 16:26 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 16:26:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-16-16.00.html | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-16-16.00.txt | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-08-16-16.00.log.html | 16:26 |
| lhx__ | e0ne, hah, another guru for ceph besides Gorka :) | 16:26 |
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| lhx__ | thanks smcginnis | 16:28 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 17:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 17:00 |
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| johnsom | Hi folks | 17:00 |
| johnsom | I expect it to be pretty quiet this week | 17:00 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:01 | |
| johnsom | "You are stuck with me for another release" or johnsom is Queens PTL | 17:01 |
| johnsom | #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:01 |
| johnsom | No one ran against me so per OpenStack election rules I am your PTL again for Queens. | 17:01 |
| rm_mobile | Sweet | 17:02 |
| johnsom | I'm looking forward to it. We have some great things to get done. | 17:02 |
| JudeC | :) | 17:02 |
| xgerman_ | o/ | 17:02 |
| johnsom | Just a reminder, the PTG is coming up: PTG is September 11-15th | 17:02 |
| johnsom | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-ptg-queens | 17:02 |
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| johnsom | Please sign up whether you are attending and add any topics you think we should cover. | 17:03 |
| johnsom | Room schedules, etc. are almost done so soon I will work on our schedule as well | 17:03 |
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| johnsom | Any other announcements? | 17:04 |
| johnsom | #topic Planning an octavia RC2 this week | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning an octavia RC2 this week (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:04 | |
| johnsom | There are two bugs that have enough impact I think we should cut an RC2 for Pike | 17:05 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493646/ | 17:05 |
| johnsom | Fix a bad revert method and add hacking check | 17:05 |
| johnsom | and | 17:05 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493252/ | 17:05 |
| johnsom | Fix health monitor DB locking | 17:05 |
| johnsom | Both are waiting on reviews before we can start the backport/RC2 work | 17:05 |
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| johnsom | Any comments on those or other candidates folks would like to propose? | 17:06 |
| rm_mobile | I'll look this morning | 17:06 |
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| johnsom | Thank you! I expect this will take some time for backports/reviews etc. and the RC2 window is closing. | 17:07 |
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| johnsom | Once RC2 is cut and we have had a few days we can consider doing an early Pike release. There is a bunch of stuff pending that can probably fast merge for Queens | 17:08 |
| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 17:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Brief progress reports / bugs needing review (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:08 | |
| johnsom | I have mostly been looking into these bugs and updating the OSC plugin to give better error messages. | 17:09 |
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| johnsom | I don't think we can get that into the official Pike release, but we can do a release early in queens. | 17:09 |
| johnsom | Any other updates or patches of note? | 17:10 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:10 | |
| johnsom | Any other topics for today? | 17:11 |
| johnsom | I guessed it was going to be quiet today.... | 17:11 |
| johnsom | Ok, thanks for joining. See you in the channel! | 17:12 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 17:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 17:12:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-08-16-17.00.html | 17:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-08-16-17.00.txt | 17:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-08-16-17.00.log.html | 17:12 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 18:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:00 |
| jinli | Hi Bin | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:00 |
| bh526r | looks like only you and I. so let's quickly discuss those patches | 18:01 |
| jinli | sure | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Pike Status | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin cut the stable/pike branch, and tagged 1.0.5 | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info There are 4 outstanding patches | 18:02 |
| pcarver | hi | 18:02 |
| jinli | Hi paul | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info Patch 1: Gluon object-level authorization | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482752/ | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info Patch 2: Policies in yaml | 18:03 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486254/ | 18:03 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:03 |
| jinli | Hi Kamil | 18:04 |
| krenczewski | Hi | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Bin, Jin and Tin discussed offline, and concluded that for Gluon, because the APIs are generated from YAML, putting policies in YAML is a more flexible way for Gluon | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info Default policies will be in base.yaml. | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info Policies for new services (new YAML) will be defined in the same YAML. In this case, service-specific policies defined in YAML will be used | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info If new YAML doesn't contain service-specific policies, default policies in base.YAML will be used | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin will finalize the coding in above 2 patches this week based on the way to go | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Patch 3: WIP: Resolve warnings in Sphinx documentation | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491544/ | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info This patch seems completed. | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | @jinli, I saw your comments and new patchset uploaded by Omar. | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Do you have more comments? | 18:09 |
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| jinli | I think this patch should be ok, I just have some questions. | 18:09 |
| jinli | let me discuss with Omar | 18:10 |
| jinli | then we can merge it later this week | 18:10 |
| bh526r | sounds good to me. So I will wait for your signal | 18:10 |
| jinli | Tin reviewed it and gave a +1, Tin is the one who discovered this issue | 18:10 |
| jinli | Tin gave +1 in patch 5 | 18:11 |
| bh526r | I see. Now it is patchset 6. | 18:11 |
| jinli | I am glad we fix this issue. it causes random errors and fail jenkin once a while | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Can you discuss with Omar, and check with Tin regarding your questions on patchset 6? | 18:12 |
| jinli | sure, | 18:12 |
| bh526r | If you are good, we can merge it later this week | 18:12 |
| jinli | ok | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Jin has some comments. Jin will discuss with Omar and double check with Tin. | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info If everything is fine, it will be approved. Bin will take action to merge it. | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info Patch 4: The para into "add_model()“ should be changed to model in function ”build_api()“ | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492916/ | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | any comments on this patch? | 18:15 |
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| jinli | that load_model_for_service(service) is a singleton, so it doesn't make that much difference to replace it with model. | 18:16 |
| jinli | the patch is ok, less confusing | 18:16 |
| bh526r | great | 18:17 |
| bh526r | If no more comments, I suggest we approve it. | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #info Group approved it. Bin will take the action to merge it in master and cherrypick to stable/pike | 18:19 |
| bh526r | I think that's all outstanding patches. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | Kamil, do you feel we can do a PoC in Sydney with Contrail really working with ODL? | 18:21 |
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| krenczewski | I think yes | 18:21 |
| bh526r | Great. | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | Georg is still on family leave. | 18:22 |
| krenczewski | I didn't discuss details about Sydney summin with Sukhdev yet | 18:22 |
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| krenczewski | So we need to agree on scenario first | 18:22 |
| bh526r | I will draft the demo scenario, and share with you | 18:22 |
| krenczewski | OK, great | 18:23 |
| bh526r | Then we can see which are doable, and which are stretch | 18:23 |
| bh526r | Input from Georg is also important once he comes back | 18:24 |
| bh526r | Let me put together the scenario first, and we can discuss it further. | 18:25 |
| krenczewski | Sure | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:25 |
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| krenczewski | We're working on same lab as previously? | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #info Group discussed a potential PoC/demo in Sydney summit | 18:26 |
| bh526r | Yes, the same lab is working as I checked last week. | 18:26 |
| bh526r | In Germany | 18:26 |
| krenczewski | I will need to re-deploy Contrail | 18:26 |
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| krenczewski | We're using now R4.0 branch, previously was R3.1 | 18:27 |
| bh526r | Surely, because this time, we want to see the API calls go through Contrail, and through ODL | 18:27 |
| bh526r | And we also need to re-deploy Gluon once we have stable Pike version | 18:27 |
| bh526r | #info We need to: | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info 1. Complete Gluon Pike stable version | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info 2. Re-deploy Gluon | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info 3. Re-deploy Contrail (4.0) | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info 4. Double check Lab's availability | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info 5. perhaps re-deploy ODL and ONOS | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info 6. Ensure API call flows through Contrail, ODL and ONOS | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info Bin will draft the demo scenarion first, and share with everyone for further discussion | 18:31 |
| bh526r | anything else? | 18:31 |
| krenczewski | I am good | 18:32 |
| bh526r | great and thank you. | 18:32 |
| bh526r | If nothing else, we can adjourn our meeting for now | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:33 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 18:33:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-08-16-18.00.html | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-08-16-18.00.txt | 18:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-08-16-18.00.log.html | 18:33 |
| bh526r | thank you everyone, and bye all | 18:33 |
| krenczewski | Thank you, Bye | 18:33 |
| jinli | bye all1 | 18:33 |
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| fungi | from chatter in #storyboard, sounds like probably no meeting this week | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 16 21:00:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| joeljwright | hello o/ | 21:01 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | hi | 21:01 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | clayg: ping | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:02 |
| clayg | werd | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | all right, let's get started | 21:02 |
| timburke | i'm here, i'm here! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | timburke: :-) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | a couple of topics to go over this week | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic pre/post amble patch | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | let me set some context here | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | we have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ from joeljwright that's been open a while | 21:04 |
| notmyname | hmm.. patchbot isn't joining... | 21:04 |
| timburke | "Add Preamble and Postamble to SLO and SegmentedIterable" | 21:05 |
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| clayg | i've seen more patchsets than that | 21:05 |
| clayg | i'm only mildly impressed | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ok, so joeljwright is asking for a reasonable thing: is this patch (and therefore the idea behind it) something that we will actually land, or should he investigate other options | 21:05 |
| notmyname | a historic IRC conversation was at | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-swift/%23openstack-swift.2017-06-19.log.html#t2017-06-19T15:48:47 | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | in my opinion, it seems like a relatively novel extension to the SLO manifest format that is not breaking anything existing and that adds new functionality | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | but to quote the earlier conversation "there's such a huge difference between "this patch is good enough to land" and "this patch should land" " and "I'm a little worried about inventing something to solve a bunch of use cases that we make up" | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so... joeljwright, where does that leave us? | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | share more about your use of this functionality at sohonet | 21:07 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:07 |
| * kota_ is late | 21:07 | |
| notmyname | kota_: welcome. we're just getting started (you didn't miss much) | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | well, this all came about when we wanted to share multiple files using a tempurl and preserve some structure (so initially a tarball) | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | but when we started the work we realised it could be so much more | 21:08 |
| clayg | joeljwright: notmyname was highlighting that you're past "this is one way I can see to solve this" and all the way into "we're using this and it is working" | 21:08 |
| clayg | for like ... business needs - not just like "i tested it and it does what it says on the tin" | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | hence the generic extension to SLO | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | yes, we're not using exactly this (because it's not released) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | yeah, what clayg said is what i'm interested in | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | but it makes a big difference to our use case of building tarballs using existing segments | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | we don't want to store thousands of tiny objects | 21:09 |
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| joeljwright | because download performance is bad | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | and we're not interested in that data | 21:10 |
| notmyname | the tiny objects being the *ambles for tarfile segments? | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | yes, sorry | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | in order to build tarballs we have to generate 2 very small objects for every stored object | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | a tar header and tar padding | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | both in the 0-1024 byte size range | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | ok. and you're using this today in prod? | 21:11 |
| joeljwright | in exploring how to make it better we realised that with a fairly simple addition to SLO we could explore not only tar, but also buyilding other container formats | 21:11 |
| joeljwright | we're using a related version in testing | 21:12 |
| clayg | yeah, I think doing the tar SLO client side is weird - I could see just *not* bothering with the tar and just making the client do GET for the objects it wants but *shrug* in the tempurl case (before) prefix... there's some flexibility here to be really prescriptive | 21:12 |
| joeljwright | we haven't deployed it to prod because of maintaining a patch | 21:12 |
| notmyname | ok. did you find other non-tar formats that work here? | 21:12 |
| clayg | you can download these 10K things, in a tarball, with this single tempurl | 21:12 |
| joeljwright | clayg: to extend that "with these names, and fail if anything on disk changes" | 21:13 |
| clayg | i do believe that is a thing that will be useful from time to time - if they can figure out how to solve that with this they probably could have figured out a way to solve it w/o this | 21:13 |
| clayg | joeljwright: good point! | 21:13 |
| clayg | so... where are you at? | 21:13 |
| clayg | I think a lot of people have got past "yeah that is probably be a thing we could do" | 21:13 |
| joeljwright | currently I have a test system that uses this patch and builds the premables/postambles manually | 21:14 |
| joeljwright | I also have an experimental middleware that's just a pre-SLO manifest transform to make the headers/padding | 21:14 |
| clayg | like stub data - or using your data model? Like your business use case? with the existing segments and stuff? | 21:14 |
| joeljwright | clayg: can you elaborate what you're after | 21:15 |
| joeljwright | ? | 21:15 |
| rledisez | joeljwright: is there any reason not to dynamically generate the tar headers on a requests (eg: POST req containing the list of objects to include in the archive)? i don't know the tar format, but i used to do that for zip. maybe it just does not match your use case | 21:15 |
| clayg | the manifests are big right? a few MB? Can you share for a production like use-case one a real world example? | 21:15 |
| joeljwright | yeah, our main product that uses Swift is a file transfer application | 21:16 |
| clayg | rledisez: that cuts out the tempurl use case - or at least you still have to distribute a manifest thing that enumerates the things | 21:16 |
| joeljwright | we build packages to be downloaded by recipients who do not have swift accounts | 21:16 |
| joeljwright | we use SLO + tempurl to achieve this | 21:16 |
| clayg | rledisez: I think it's related but distinct from joeljwright's use-case - but there is probably a use-case to make for more dynamic stuff too. | 21:16 |
| joeljwright | rledisez: the reason not to do it dynamically is to get the SLO data validation check | 21:17 |
| notmyname | one thing I like about joeljwright's patch is that it has the hooks for future stuff like dynamic *ambles, but it does not add that complexity now | 21:17 |
| joeljwright | if it downloads/validates the data is what the sender wanted to share | 21:17 |
| clayg | joeljwright: specific elaboration on what I'm after (not sure if this helps anyone else) a real world example of a for-realzy-sovling-a-customer-use-case segment with *ambles | 21:17 |
| clayg | Like... in python stdlib folks always say "wouldn't it be great if this was in stdlib" and python core be like "yeah, probably, you should put it on pypi and after a bunch of people use it and you flesh out some of the edges of rubber meats the road we'll bring it in" | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | the only real-world I need it now use case is making tar-SLOs that don't cripple performance with loads of read for tiny objects on the object servers | 21:18 |
| timburke | i'm still a little up in the air about whether the inline data should be attached to a segment or to have a new "segment type" -- but i guess since we already have the *amble patch, may as well go with it? what i definitely *don't* want to do is change our minds on it after-the-fact | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | I have other things I want to explore - zip, ISO even mov | 21:18 |
| clayg | are you *waiting* on upstream to enter "maintenance" mode before you *use* it? Don't wait on us. Show us how stupid we are for not having it work *exactly like this* already | 21:19 |
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| joeljwright | I have been waiting for upstream to validate that I'll get it eventually before I use it in production | 21:19 |
| joeljwright | otherwise I have to maintain many different code bases | 21:19 |
| clayg | i think that's created some of the tension we're experiencing | 21:20 |
| notmyname | +1 | 21:20 |
| clayg | i mean middleware is middleware - i have middleware - lots of people that run swift have middleware - you're supposed to? | 21:20 |
| clayg | rledisez: you have middleware? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: ok, so to clarify, you've got a real problem, you've got a pretty cool idea on how it could be solved and patch for that, but you have *not* actually used this functionality yet to solve your problem in prod | 21:20 |
| joeljwright | the problem with this approach is it requires patching SLO and helpers | 21:20 |
| rledisez | clayg: sure… | 21:20 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: that's a fair assessment, I've held off pushing to get this in prod | 21:21 |
| * timburke has definitely *never* released a spike of a swift-provided middleware... | 21:21 | |
| joeljwright | I would deploy it tomorrow if I could though :) | 21:21 |
| clayg | lol | 21:21 |
| notmyname | yeah, I can sympathinze with joeljwright's position, though, because he's not only maintaining swift in prod, AFAIK he's the only one doing it and adding the differences from upstream (even just patching slo middleware locally) could be daunting | 21:22 |
| clayg | ok, well I'm not saying that should change, and i'm *definitely* not saying that running hacks on upstream code is ideal (it definitely is crappy) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | but it does create the tension of committing to support new SLO manifest formats forever in the hopes that we got the new stuff right before seeing it used | 21:23 |
| notmyname | it's a tricky situation | 21:23 |
| timburke | clayg: thinking of use-cases, imagine researchers wanting to share large data sets together with the scripts used to analyze them | 21:23 |
| timburke | the datasets are large, they don't want to waste space by uploading a separate tar copy. the scripts are small, so even if we solve the de-dupe problem with small objects for headers/padding, we still have the ratelimiting problem | 21:23 |
| notmyname | timburke: we can imagine a lot of places where new code could be useful... that's never been the problem, right? | 21:24 |
| joeljwright | this all feels a bit catch-22 | 21:24 |
| notmyname | heh yes! totally unfair to joeljwright | 21:24 |
| clayg | if I *had* such a use-case I would just see if joeljwright's existing solution works and then +2 (literally *works* for me!) | 21:24 |
| timburke | notmyname: clayg was looking for "a real world example of a for-realzy-sovling-a-customer-use-case segment with *ambles" -- i gave him something! | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | timburke: +1 | 21:25 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:25 |
| clayg | timburke: nope - i don't need an *idea* | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so that's the thing here. as a big community (with different employers, different use cases, etc), to some extent we can't only approve the stuff that we personally see use cases for | 21:25 |
| notmyname | joeljwright actually has a for realzy use case here. the question is more about if the give patch is maintainable by the community, *not* if it's actually useful functionality | 21:26 |
| torgomatic | clayg: isn't that what joeljwright's users have? like, he's got SLOs with big segments and tiny segments, and they make a tarball, but performance sucks due to all the tiny segments | 21:26 |
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| joeljwright | torgomatic: not to mention all the extra time making 3* the number of SLO manifests I really need :) | 21:27 |
| torgomatic | :) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | so we get back to the basic question of "who's gonna review it?" | 21:28 |
| notmyname | right? is that where we're at? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | clayg: but I want to know your thoughts too. is joeljwright's existing use case ok? even though he admits he hasn't run this code in his prod yet? | 21:29 |
| clayg | you can't say someone's use case is "not ok" | 21:29 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:29 |
| clayg | it'd be like saying "you're not mad at me" | 21:29 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:29 |
| clayg | It's just everytime I think about joel's use-case I write a TLO middleware - not add preamble to SLO | 21:30 |
| notmyname | right. sorry. I didn't want to trap your answer there. | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok, yeah. so if one wanted to solve downloading .tar files, one would likely do somethign a lot simpler than *ambles in SLOs | 21:31 |
| timburke | and how much of slo does that reinvent? what about when you realize you want cpio archives instead? | 21:31 |
| joeljwright | timburke: you beat me to it | 21:31 |
| notmyname | and the *amble idea is interesting because we see that it might be useful, but it's not actually been asked for, even by joeljwright's users | 21:31 |
| notmyname | which makes it hard to justify the more complex solution | 21:31 |
| notmyname | clayg: is that about right? | 21:31 |
| timburke | i *am* a bit nervous about the number of variations we're adding to slo segments. that's one of the reasons i've been thinking about having "object" segments and "inline" segments -- i feel like it might make things easier to reason about | 21:32 |
| clayg | idk, I think it's fine - if we have folks that "might" review it I don't think that really answer's joeljwright's problem really well | 21:32 |
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| joeljwright | timburke: that's a fair suggestion | 21:32 |
| joeljwright | but we'd probably want to stop inline-only manifests | 21:33 |
| joeljwright | which is why I shied away from that | 21:33 |
| clayg | timburke: I have no strong intuition that I should prefer one solution over the other - it depends on the % of use-cases that need to envelope individual segments vs totally independent in-between and around datas | 21:33 |
| joeljwright | I wanted to make it obvious that this is for making the data your store more useful | 21:33 |
| clayg | both are complex and workable | 21:33 |
| joeljwright | not storing data in manifests | 21:33 |
| timburke | and i've certainly contributed! https://github.com/openstack/swift/commit/25d5e68 ... https://github.com/openstack/swift/commit/7fb102d ... | 21:34 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: so what do you want to see? review the current patch with a goal of landing it? it sounds to me that timburke has some interesting alternative suggestions | 21:34 |
| clayg | like - SLO's are almost turing complete now | 21:34 |
| joeljwright | clayg: :D | 21:34 |
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| timburke | joeljwright: on inline-only manifests... maybe just write the damn data? | 21:34 |
| timburke | "look, you wanted this data written, i wrote it! what else do you want?" | 21:35 |
| timburke | (as a non-slo, i mean) | 21:35 |
| joeljwright | I'm really after some review that say (a) this is too complex or (b) this looks useful or (c) this would be better if you changed... | 21:35 |
| timburke | definitely b, maybe a | 21:35 |
| joeljwright | I'd like to know if this has any likelihood of landing | 21:35 |
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| joeljwright | because I need to solve this problem | 21:36 |
| notmyname | acoles: kota_: tdasilva: you all are being quiet. what are your thoughts? what do you see as the best path forward? | 21:36 |
| torgomatic | okay, I'll volunteer to take an in-depth look at it in the next few days | 21:36 |
| joeljwright | torgomatic: thanks! | 21:36 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: that's very helpful. thanks | 21:36 |
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| joeljwright | I'll be around on the swift channel if anyone wants to talk about this separately | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | Now that I've heard of the problems joeljwright's having and how he solves it, it has me sold.. well that we need a solution. I haven't looked at the patch so can't say it's it, but willing to go look at it in the mindset of we should solve it | 21:38 |
| kota_ | notmyname: still at catching up the history yet but... | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | I'll find time to have an initial look today | 21:39 |
| joeljwright | mattoliverau: kota_: thanks for looking! | 21:39 |
| acoles | I'm torn - I'd prefer not to make SLO more complex but I can see the desire to re-use SLO by adding ambles | 21:39 |
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| kota_ | primary question, i didn't find any reason why it is needed for tar archive case (it might be discussed before i joined here) | 21:40 |
| notmyname | kota_: yeah, that's in some of the earlier links | 21:40 |
| joeljwright | kota_: the pre/postambles avoid the need to store tiny objects for tar header/padding | 21:41 |
| kota_ | it looks just a feature to add binaries by manifest to each segment | 21:41 |
| joeljwright | but preserve the SLO features of validating that the data you wanted in the tar is what you're downloading | 21:41 |
| clayg | tick tock | 21:41 |
| notmyname | ok, I want to move on the meeting, but thank you for your comments here. let's see if I can summarize where we are | 21:41 |
| clayg | I don't feel we're in a drastically different place that we've been before | 21:41 |
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| joeljwright | yeah, but 40 minutes is enough! | 21:42 |
| kota_ | joeljwright: oic | 21:42 |
| clayg | it is complex, it is worth solving, no one is *sure* what should change because we have no external pressure driving the design | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | heh, clayg just summarized it very well | 21:42 |
| joeljwright | clayg: maybe we can catch up some time tomorrow to talk about alternatives? | 21:42 |
| clayg | joeljwright: no, this code is already written | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | and torgomatic and mattoliverau offered to look at the patch | 21:43 |
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| joeljwright | kk | 21:43 |
| joeljwright | I'll stop stressing now :) | 21:43 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:43 |
| joeljwright | (until the reviews arrive!) | 21:43 |
| clayg | we just have to have enough of a WAG at how to "qualify" it - and bandwidth to review | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on. thank you joeljwright | 21:43 |
| notmyname | #topic deadlock patch | 21:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "deadlock patch (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:43 | |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493636/ | 21:43 |
| patchbot | patch 493636 - swift - Fix deadlock when logging from a tpool thread. | 21:43 |
| notmyname | torgomatic did a great job finding and solving this issue | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | +100 | 21:44 |
| notmyname | we worried earlier this week that it would add some linux-only things, but that's been removed (so we still only test linux, but it might work somewhere else maybe) | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | clayg: you said we'd likely land this right after the meeting today :-) | 21:45 |
| clayg | oh yeah, can answer any questions? | 21:45 |
| clayg | there's two I can NOT answer | 21:45 |
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| clayg | #1 how do we prevent this kind of lockup bug in future (no idea, it's a huge space, probably ripe) | 21:46 |
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| clayg | #2 is torgomatic some sort of super genius mutant (probably, we have some evidence of that, but one can not be sure - he may just be a cyborg) | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | That would confirm my theory that swiftstack Devs don't sleep | 21:47 |
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| tdasilva | or are bots | 21:47 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: you just pushed a new patch set during this meeting. is it all good from your perspective? timburke, clayg, acoles: are you planning on or expecting to +A it shortly? | 21:47 |
| clayg | what? new patch set!? | 21:48 |
| acoles | notmyname: I was planning to sleep shortly :) | 21:48 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: I think it's good, but then, I would ;) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | acoles: proving mattoliverau and tdasilva wrong ;-) | 21:48 |
| torgomatic | clayg: added a check to make sure you can't unlock someone else's mutex, like threading._RLock has | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:48 |
| clayg | slry, I will +A it so hard | 21:49 |
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| timburke | so...probably +A soon? might be worth having someone *outside* of swiftstack understand the problem and how this fixes it, though... | 21:49 |
| clayg | I honestly need to package it today or in the am.. so.. my life is non-trivially better if we +A now - is that... workable for folks? | 21:49 |
| clayg | I hate it when things happen to quickly - it's so foreign to how we normally work it makes me uneasy. | 21:50 |
| notmyname | ok. mostly for this topic I just wanted to make sure people understand it and are aware of it | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:50 |
| clayg | Are we *supposed* to be this agile and responsive?! Is this ok!? | 21:50 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: if a patch doesn't take 6 months then something feels wrong? | 21:50 |
| joeljwright | tdasilve: :D | 21:51 |
| notmyname | is there anyone who has *not* read the bug report and understand why this needs to be fixed ASAP? | 21:51 |
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| clayg | yeah I think understanding is useful-ish - because... and this came up this morning - this is so awesome we should probably backport it - it could be RC on lp bug #1575277 or lp bug #1659712 | 21:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1575277 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "object-replicator goes into bad state when lockup timeout < rsync timeout" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575277 | 21:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1659712 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Object replicator hang" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1659712 | 21:52 |
| notmyname | if so, then read https://launchpad.net/bugs/1710328 soon | 21:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1710328 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "object server deadlocks when a worker thread logs something" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Samuel Merritt (torgomatic) | 21:52 |
| rledisez | not very helpful, but i need to say this patch is amazing. what used to never work (logging in diskfile) now works perfectly! | 21:52 |
| clayg | ok, I'll probably kick it in ~1.5 hrs | 21:52 |
| clayg | wooo! | 21:52 |
| rledisez | we stressed it today with success | 21:52 |
| notmyname | nice!! | 21:53 |
| clayg | wooo! | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: can you leave a short comment in gerrit saying that? | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | Awesome | 21:53 |
| rledisez | sure | 21:53 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:53 |
| clayg | rledisez: zomg rledisez doing *reviews*!? | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | ok. last thing (and related to this patch)... | 21:53 |
| clayg | tdasilva: i won't even be able to keep up we move so fast | 21:53 |
| timburke | rledisez: did that come up much for you before? i thought part of why it took so long to pin down was the fact that we *don't* do much logging in diskfile... | 21:53 |
| notmyname | #topic swift 2.15.1 for pike | 21:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swift 2.15.1 for pike (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:53 | |
| clayg | 2.15.1 - best swift release YET | 21:53 |
| notmyname | timing for the pike release is coming up quickly. what's on master at the end of the week is what I'll be tagging for pike as 2.15.1 | 21:54 |
| clayg | i have hard stop at 3pm, i might leave 2 mins early if we're not done | 21:54 |
| rledisez | timburke: we figured it was because of this bug. alecuyer ahs been working around for so long, when we saw the patch coming, it was like "omg, we are so excited" :D | 21:54 |
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| timburke | great! | 21:54 |
| notmyname | which includes torgomatic's patch for the deadlock | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: that's great :-) | 21:54 |
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| acoles | timburke: IDK but I have distant memory that whenever I tried to add debug logging to diskfile something broke ... and maybe this was it | 21:54 |
| notmyname | any other questions/comments from anyone? | 21:55 |
| clayg | three cheers for torgomatic | 21:55 |
| clayg | hip hip! | 21:55 |
| acoles | hip hip | 21:55 |
| acoles | awww! | 21:55 |
| clayg | hoooooRAY! | 21:55 |
| joeljwright | \o/ | 21:55 |
| torgomatic | "hip hip hip hip awww!" is an appropriate set of cheers for a concurrency bug :) | 21:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: sorry, you said tag on Friday yeah!? | 21:55 |
| clayg | lolasd;lfjkasdf;lkjadsf | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:56 |
| notmyname | land on master by friday. I'll tag this weekend or monday | 21:56 |
| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for coming | 21:56 |
| tdasilva | do we care for patch 472659 being in the release? | 21:56 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472659/ - swift - Allow to rebuild a fragment of an expired object | 21:56 |
| rledisez | for swift 2.15.1, i'd love to see this merged, i think it's ready now, last comment was about a header name, waiting for a +A ;) : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472659/ | 21:56 |
| patchbot | patch 472659 - swift - Allow to rebuild a fragment of an expired object | 21:56 |
| acoles | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472659/ <-review | 21:56 |
| patchbot | patch 472659 - swift - Allow to rebuild a fragment of an expired object | 21:56 |
| rledisez | :) | 21:56 |
| notmyname | thanks especially for going over the *amble patchw ith joeljwright and joeljwright for sticking with us on it ;-) | 21:56 |
| joeljwright | thanks everyone | 21:56 |
| acoles | ok that's three request for same thing, it must happen! | 21:57 |
| clayg | yes merge that one | 21:57 |
| acoles | :) | 21:57 |
| clayg | it must happen | 21:57 |
| tdasilva | ok, i was reviewing that today, will continue tomorrow | 21:57 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks | 21:57 |
| acoles | tdasilva: thank you | 21:57 |
| notmyname | thanks for your work on swift | 21:57 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 16 21:57:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-08-16-21.00.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-08-16-21.00.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-08-16-21.00.log.html | 21:57 |
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