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| ekcs | time for congress meeting ramineni masahito thinrichs | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 00:01:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | Hi all! as usual, topics are here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:01 |
| ekcs | please take a moment to look it over and add/comment is needed =) | 00:01 |
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| ramineni_ | Hi | 00:02 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:02 |
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| masahito | hi | 00:03 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:03 |
| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 00:03 |
| ekcs | ok let’s get started then! | 00:04 |
| pcregut1 | hi, pcregut (P. Crégut) from Orange. Valentin should also be present for talking about Congress for config files as asked by ekcs. | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | hi pcregut1 ! great to have you guys! | 00:05 |
| vmatt | Hi everyone | 00:05 |
| masahito | pcregut1: vmatt: hi welcome! | 00:06 |
| ekcs | hi vmatt ! great to connect with you guys. | 00:06 |
| ramineni_ | pcregut1: vmatt : hi | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | thanks for joining. I’m guessing it’s really late hour for you guys, but I’d like to have thinrichs here if possible. is it ok if we start on another topic until he gets here (hopefully soon)? | 00:07 |
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| pcregut1 | yes fine for me. | 00:08 |
| ekcs | ok then. | 00:09 |
| ekcs | #topic announcements | 00:09 |
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| ekcs | Only announcement I have is the PTG. | 00:09 |
| ekcs | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 00:09 |
| ekcs | Monday - Friday, September 11-15, 2017 | 00:09 |
| ekcs | Congress sessions: Wed-Thu | 00:09 |
| ekcs | Good to start making travel plans now if you are going to come =) | 00:09 |
| ekcs | anything else on the PTG or any other announcements? | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 00:11 |
| ekcs | #topic pike-3 | 00:11 |
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| ekcs | reminder that pike-3 and feature freeze is coming up in less than 2 weeks (the week of 7/24) | 00:12 |
| ramineni_ | Final release is August end right | 00:12 |
| ekcs | So anything related to new feature should be checked in soon. I think ramineni_ and I still have some new feature related things. | 00:13 |
| ekcs | yes. RC1 is 8/7. | 00:13 |
| ekcs | oh sorry final release. | 00:13 |
| ekcs | yes something like that. | 00:13 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok | 00:14 |
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| ekcs | On the policy library front, I have a client patch up to give the minimal functionality of importing policy from a file. | 00:15 |
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| ekcs | WIP. hoping to finish some testing touch-ups today. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483132/ | 00:15 |
| ramineni_ | Monitoring violations part .. I'll try to complete by next week | 00:16 |
| ekcs | that along with this patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479167/) would give the most basic functionality of policy library. | 00:16 |
| ekcs | and then it’s bonus if we can get more done like GUI for example or more CLI usage. | 00:17 |
| ekcs | got it thanks ramineni_ ! | 00:17 |
| ekcs | anything else on pike-3 related? | 00:17 |
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| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | #topic Congress for config files | 00:18 |
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| ekcs | pcregut1 and vmatt would you like to start us off? | 00:19 |
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| pcregut1 | I can summarize the context and why we want it. | 00:19 |
| ekcs | we had already mentioned at a previous meeting the discussion on ML. | 00:19 |
| ekcs | thanks pcregut1 ! | 00:19 |
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| pcregut1 | As a telco we have more than one instance of Openstack, operated by different teams, designed by several teams (corporate, countries) with potentially several vendors. | 00:20 |
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| pcregut1 | Sure we use installers but how do we track requirements on what should be our configs ? | 00:21 |
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| pcregut1 | How do we migrate from one solution to another ? Add requirements. A script + another script is not a valid script. | 00:22 |
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| pcregut1 | So we first experimented with custom made rules in a small prototype. Tried to see if we could use something like JBoss Rules. | 00:23 |
| pcregut1 | And realised that we already had a rule engine in Openstack : Congress. | 00:24 |
| pcregut1 | That is where vmatt work started and he made a datasource for config files following the oslo.config standard for congress. | 00:25 |
| pcregut1 | The main difference is that there are files every where and not a nice API to serve them | 00:25 |
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| ekcs | that’s very cool. | 00:26 |
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| pcregut1 | So he implemented a small agent that talks on the message bus and gives files but also their structure (namespace, templates) to the datasource driver in congress. | 00:26 |
| pcregut1 | Now we are cleaning up so that it can be a proposal that we can opensource to everybody. | 00:27 |
| ekcs | that’s very interesting. | 00:28 |
| pcregut1 | that's the summary. | 00:28 |
| ramineni_ | this agent where it will be installed | 00:29 |
| masahito | that's nice! | 00:29 |
| pcregut1 | It has to be deployed on each node that we want to control. | 00:29 |
| ramineni_ | It needs to be on where cinfigs reside | 00:29 |
| ramineni_ | Ohk | 00:29 |
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| pcregut1 | Today it requires a definition of each ini file location with the template it follows. | 00:30 |
| pcregut1 | One idea for a later improvement would be to have a hook in oslo.config | 00:30 |
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| ramineni_ | Ok ..ya hook would be good idea | 00:31 |
| pcregut1 | It would be used to trigger the sending of the ini file from services. | 00:31 |
| pcregut1 | There is only little processing done on the agent file. The only real one is removing the value for secret options. | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | I’m very curious as to how this datasource driver you guys implemented works. is it a pull or a push model? | 00:32 |
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| vmatt | it is a pull model | 00:32 |
| ramineni_ | pcregut1: ok , great .. Thanks for the summary ..interesting idea | 00:33 |
| pcregut1 | but the pull action is a broadcast. | 00:34 |
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| ekcs | got it. I’m definitely curious to find out more about how the prototype is implemented and all that. but aside from all that it’s great to hear the application and the interest in upstreaming it. | 00:35 |
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| ekcs | how useful have you guys found the prototype in testing? | 00:35 |
| ekcs | and also what kind of help can we give? | 00:35 |
| pcregut1 | So far the code is fresh and we have not enough experience with it. | 00:36 |
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| pcregut1 | The main question is how useful the constraints can be knowing that we are blind on the configuration of nodes that is not covered by openstack files. | 00:37 |
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| ekcs | pcregut1: got it. so authoring and trying out policies is something we want to do? | 00:39 |
| ekcs | are there difficulties you guys encountered or still encountering that we want to discuss? | 00:40 |
| pcregut1 | yes definitely. I think the starting point for us now is looking at constraints already existing in service documentation. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | I’m curious about how you chose the schema for representing configs. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | and I wonder if you have encountered any rule language limitations in trying to express the constraints you want. | 00:41 |
| pcregut1 | We really followed the structure of oslo.config | 00:41 |
| pcregut1 | The result is really verbose but with the help of intermediate relations vmatt obtained some nice rules. | 00:42 |
| ekcs | when I saw the ML messages I thought about how to represent the configs. and it took some thought for me to think about how best to represent the options like dict and list. | 00:42 |
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| ekcs | I see. Anyway we can get an advanced peek at the rules and/or schema? | 00:43 |
| pcregut1 | This part is far from perfect. There is just sets of option value for lists and option key value for dicts. | 00:43 |
| pcregut1 | It limits the expressivity because we cannot speak of for example the length of the list. | 00:44 |
| ekcs | got it. aggregation is one of the things we want to implement in congress language but have not gotten around to unfortunately. | 00:45 |
| ekcs | so what are the next steps you envision and how can we help? | 00:46 |
| pcregut1 | That would definitely help. We can share the structure we have so far but they are really simple. | 00:46 |
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| pcregut1 | We are cleaning up a spec that will go with the blueprint opened on launchpad by vmatt | 00:46 |
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| pcregut1 | so then we need to insert it somewhere ? for queens ? | 00:47 |
| ekcs | yea I think queens would make sense. | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | I’m definitely eager to see how much of the config requirements we can nicely capture with congress rules and where we still fall short. | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | Feel free to paste some rough rules here if you are ok with sharing them early. | 00:50 |
| ekcs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/config-policy | 00:50 |
| ekcs | or if not that’s ok too. | 00:50 |
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| pcregut1 | We will do it when we have access to our regular work computer. | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | great thanks a lot! | 00:52 |
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| ekcs | anything more to discuss right now? | 00:53 |
| ekcs | masahito: do you have any thoughts on this use case? | 00:54 |
| pcregut1 | Not for us. I think. Thanks a lot ! | 00:54 |
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| ekcs | thanks pcregut1 and vmatt ! If you have any thoughts or questions or further discussion, feel free to find me on #congress channel or ML or email me directly (you have my email from ML). | 00:54 |
| masahito | It sounds nice use case. | 00:55 |
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| masahito | we hit kinds of same situation deploying openstack on k8s. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | ok oops just a couple minutes left. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:57 |
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| masahito | I heard there're some activities in the community that oslo.config will implement API for that purpose. I try to find the info and write down on the etherpad. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | masahito: API for querying configs? API for specifying requirements for configs? | 00:58 |
| masahito | ekcs: first one. | 00:58 |
| vmatt | interesting information | 00:59 |
| ekcs | masahito: gotcha. it would be really great if you can share things about the k8s situation that’s ok to share, and maybe we can see whether there is a rule that would’ve helped. | 00:59 |
| masahito | I guess the API would help congress to querying config from each node. | 00:59 |
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| ekcs | ok time’s up for today. thanks everyone! thanks pcregut1 and vmatt for joining us! | 01:00 |
| masahito | Thanks, bye | 01:01 |
| ekcs | bye all! | 01:01 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 01:01:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-07-13-00.01.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-07-13-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-07-13-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 02:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:00 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 02:00 |
| zhangyang | o/ | 02:01 |
| liusheng | o/ | 02:01 |
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| shaohe_feng | o/ | 02:01 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:02 |
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| zhenguo | OpenStack Summit Sydney CFP deadline is July 15, 2017, 14:59 Beijing Time. | 02:02 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: how about adding a joint presentation for mogan run in HFBank? | 02:03 |
| Xinran | o/ | 02:04 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: i'm not sure... you can ask liudong :D | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: ok | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: we can add a joint one like last summit | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | wanghao, litao__: how about yours about adopting running baremetals? | 02:05 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK | 02:06 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: I have committed the first patch for getting adopting bms from driver. | 02:06 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: and litao__ is working on the manage API. | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: yeah, I mean the presentation for Summit, hah | 02:07 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: :) | 02:07 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: we can add a one. and I think mogan is good improve than the last summit. | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes | 02:07 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: I have registed the presentation | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: cool | 02:07 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: we should keep to promote mogan. | 02:07 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: now just litao_ and I, so if anyone is interesting in this. could join us. | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: you can add me if there's still seat, lol | 02:08 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: sure np | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: thanks | 02:08 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: :) | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's move no | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | *on | 02:09 |
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| zhenguo | We will change to let ironic set the node resource class during devstack setup | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | The project-config patch has landed | 02:10 |
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| zhenguo | please remember to update your devstack local.conf when that's done | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | it will require IRONIC_USE_RESOURCE_CLASSES = True | 02:11 |
| wanghao | cool | 02:12 |
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| zhenguo | hah | 02:12 |
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| zhenguo | ok, another thing is ironic will get rid of ssh driver, we should also clean that up on mogan side | 02:12 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: thanks for reminder. | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | please help to do it if you find anything related to ssh | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | seems need to update our doc, a quick search can find some ssh* there | 02:13 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: does the ssh driver just be deprecated or will be removed soon ? | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: removed | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: it will deprecated for a long time | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | s/will/has | 02:13 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: oops! | 02:14 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: we may also need to disable the console tempest test | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems on our tempest config it use ipmitool driver | 02:14 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: let me check | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: some ironic guy has help to change that | 02:15 |
| litao__ | I am here | 02:15 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: oh, yes | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | litao__; o/ | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | ok. not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:16 |
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| zhenguo | oh, the contribution stats | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | Contribution into mogan for the last 30 days | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/mogan/30 | 02:17 |
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| zhenguo | thanks everyone for the hard work | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | anything else? | 02:19 |
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| wanghao | plz update the tasks status | 02:19 |
| wanghao | haha | 02:19 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: sure | 02:19 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:20 |
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| zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | looks like things are moving along nicely | 02:20 |
| litao__ | yes | 02:21 |
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| wanghao | I think we can land adopting spec if there is no big issue. | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | the placement patches need more eyes on them, please help to review to make it land by this week | 02:21 |
| wanghao | sure | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: sure, let's make it land by this week | 02:21 |
| litao__ | great | 02:22 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: very nice | 02:22 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: | 02:22 |
| liusheng | just added an item about uwsgi support | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: thanks, | 02:22 |
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| wanghao | liusheng: do we need to support uwsgi? | 02:23 |
| litao__ | I found the mogan codes has been changed a lot because of placement. | 02:23 |
| litao__ | maybe many conficts for new patches | 02:23 |
| liusheng | wanghao: yes, seems it is tendency | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes, so I want more people review the patches to make it not break mogan | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | litao: so let's land it first and rebase other patches | 02:24 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: got it | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: seems many other projects have moved to uwsgi | 02:24 |
| wanghao | liusheng: yeah, Zaqar also has it already, but I still not see the benefit | 02:24 |
| shaohe_feng | yes, now many projects use uwsgi | 02:25 |
| liusheng | zhenguo, wanghao yes, not very sure, but seems it can well support multi process of api server | 02:25 |
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| litao__ | liusheng: do further research maybe ：) | 02:26 |
| liusheng | litao__: sure, I am researching, hah | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:26 |
| wanghao | zhenguo, liusheng, shaohe_feng okay, that's a good improvement. | 02:26 |
| liusheng | the patch is ready to review, and I have tested ok locally | 02:27 |
| zhenguo | awesome! | 02:27 |
| wanghao | if we support uwsgi, guru also need some changes to support it. | 02:27 |
| liusheng | thanks :) | 02:27 |
| shaohe_feng | nice work | 02:27 |
| wanghao | I did it in Zaqar | 02:27 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: maybe you can also do it as a following up patch :D | 02:27 |
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| liusheng | wanghao: oh, please go ahead. hah | 02:28 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: yes, leave it to me | 02:28 |
| wanghao | liusheng: sure : | 02:28 |
| wanghao | :) | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's talk about the aggregates and server groups | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | I updated to the node aggregates spec to leverage placement | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | we will handle aggregate metadata on mogan side, and placement aggregates will be used for grouping the rps | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: maybe you and liudong should take a look at it | 02:30 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: yes, sure. | 02:30 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: ok, and the server group one, we still cant find out the real purpose of it, need more feedback | 02:31 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: I guess there still is many TODO works of placement | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | I can understand the use case that, users want an affinity group of nodes which in same RACK, or not same | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | liusheng:ｙｅｓ | 02:32 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: I think Nova also need to consider that | 02:32 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: you mean aggregates? | 02:33 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: yes, if Nova will totally switch to use placement | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: hah, seems that will take years | 02:33 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: :( | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: They already clarified that nova host aggregates is different from placement aggregates | 02:34 |
| wanghao | So Mogan also need 'host aggreates'? | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: not host, but node | 02:35 |
| wanghao | if considering affinity group, seems node aggregates more fit for us. | 02:35 |
| wanghao | yes | 02:35 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: yes, if so, just think a bit valueless of node aggregates of placement.. | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | yes, we need to define node aggregates on mogan side | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | placement is just a place to provide the group and provide the api to select it | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | wrt which group we needed, should be done by us | 02:37 |
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| zhenguo | like we need to filter the aggregate ourselfs to get a agg list | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | then pass it down to placement with the query parameter to get the expected RPs | 02:37 |
| liusheng | we don't need to store compute nodes in Mogan any more, right | 02:38 |
| liusheng | ? | 02:38 |
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| zhenguo | yes, we dont' save nodes and the aggregate_nodes | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | just same aggregate metadata | 02:38 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: oh, I see, yes | 02:38 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: We should call ironic api to get compute nodes | 02:38 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: low efficiency? | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | litao__: no, we will provide that API | 02:39 |
| zhenguo | litao__: from placement | 02:39 |
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| zhenguo | I plan to cache the RPs and map of aggregates from placement when doing resource update, then we can expose that to users | 02:39 |
| shaohe_feng | what's the difference aggregates and server group? | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | server group have policies | 02:40 |
| wanghao | yeah, I want to ask too | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | affinity and anti-affinity | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | based on the server in the groups | 02:40 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: OK | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | for vms, it's in the same host or not | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | but for us, it's not clear yet | 02:41 |
| wanghao | seems user can choose that two servers could be in one rack or not | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | for RACK, ROW... seems all make sense | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | yes, that's why we want to add server group concepts | 02:42 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: we may need to introduce that concepts firstly, hah | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | with scheduler hints a user can do that | 02:42 |
| wanghao | so it's a logic concept just in Mogan | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | yes, but I don't want to add all that notions | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | maybe we need to improve the server groups | 02:42 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: we are planning to use server groups during starting servres, and mark different aggregates with metadata rooms/racks/etc. | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | not like nova, we can make it more smart | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | maybe also besed on metadata | 02:43 |
| wanghao | and we need to select the aggregates based on the group policy | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: yes, that's what I expected | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | yes, seems a bit complex, we need to think more, at least need a spec to show the details | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | but it's sure not like nova's server groups | 02:44 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: yes. | 02:44 |
| litao__ | wanghao: you mean combine server group and node aggregate？ | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | I think we need to combine those | 02:45 |
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| zhenguo | aggregates can be RACK, ROW, DC | 02:45 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: maybe a great idea | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | but it also could be ceph backed, FPGA, GPU | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | not sure how to handle it gracefully | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | for location notion, they will fit affinity and anti-affinity, but for hardware specs, not sure how to handle it | 02:46 |
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| wanghao | litao__: no, I just say the relationship | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | AZ is also a metadata of aggregates, but it's special | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | maybe we should make RACK also special metadata, hah | 02:49 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: you mean traits in placment or what ? | 02:49 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: no | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: we will handle the aggregate metadata ourselfves | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | I think we can not use traits until we add NIC, DISK there | 02:51 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: oh, I misunderstood that | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | with a nested resource providers | 02:51 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: I mean metadata for server group, hah | 02:51 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: hah | 02:51 |
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| litao__ | metadata can solve everything | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: metadata for server group to match with aggregate metatada | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | seems can archieve this | 02:52 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: so server group and node aggregates notions in Mogan are overlapped | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | I don't know what nova's server group metadata used for | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems not | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: aggregates are for nodes, server groups are servers | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: nodes contains deployed and not deployed | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | server groups is only used for creating server | 02:54 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: yes, I see | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | hah, seems we can do it | 02:55 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: seems nodes aggregate is a urgent requirement, but server group not, right ? | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems yes, | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: but after aggregates landed, we can prepare the server groups things | 02:56 |
| liusheng | so let's focus on that firstly | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: I will try to finish aggregates soon | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | oh boy, it's almost time | 02:57 |
| liusheng | hah | 02:57 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:57 |
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| zhenguo | let's continue here | 02:57 |
| zhenguo | lol | 02:57 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: are you already working on code of aggregates ? | 02:58 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: or only spec | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, the db migrations and models patch | 02:58 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: cool | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: already under review | 02:59 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: hah | 02:59 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: btw, please make sure our client work before Pike :D | 02:59 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: sure | 03:00 |
| zhenguo | thanks | 03:00 |
| zhenguo | ok, it's time | 03:00 |
| zhenguo | thanks y'all | 03:00 |
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| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 03:00:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-07-13-02.00.html | 03:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-07-13-02.00.txt | 03:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-07-13-02.00.log.html | 03:00 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 08:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:00 |
| gmann | who all are here today | 08:00 |
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| masayukig | o/ | 08:00 |
| chandankumar | \o/ | 08:00 |
| zhufl | hi | 08:01 |
| zhufl | I'll be leaving for vacation from 15 July to 27 July, and just in time to attend next UTC 8 meeting:) | 08:01 |
| blancos | o/ | 08:01 |
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| gmann | zhufl, ncie | 08:01 |
| gmann | nice | 08:01 |
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| masayukig | zhufl: cool | 08:01 |
| gmann | let's for a minute in case more people join | 08:02 |
| zhufl | gmann, masayukig:) | 08:02 |
| chandankumar | zhufl: enjoy your holidays :-) | 08:02 |
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| zhufl | chandankumar: thanks^-^ | 08:02 |
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| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_13th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 | 08:04 |
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| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 08:04 |
| gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 08:04 |
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| gmann | no AI from last meeting bu i think i have from last to last meeting | 08:04 |
| gmann | 1. gmann to check with samP about HA testing spec | 08:05 |
| gmann | samP, has updated spec and we need to review | 08:05 |
| gmann | let discuss this in spec topic | 08:05 |
| samP | hi | 08:05 |
| samP | gmann: hi | 08:05 |
| gmann | samP, hi. | 08:05 |
| gmann | 2. gmann to discuss plugin clients in tempest with team and get consensus | 08:05 |
| gmann | i feel to own those client in tempest side and plugin can use from tempest but let's get the consensus in tempest topic and close this long pending AI | 08:06 |
| gmann | #topic PTG | 08:07 |
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| gmann | on this anything to discuss? | 08:07 |
| gmann | we still have around 1.5 month for PTG and andreaf can start the etherpad for ideas in next week or 2 | 08:08 |
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| gmann | chandankumar, zhufl what about your visa things? | 08:08 |
| zhufl | gmann: no good news:( | 08:08 |
| chandankumar | gmann: i will start visa process next week | 08:08 |
| gmann | chandankumar, nice | 08:08 |
| gmann | zhufl, ohh | 08:08 |
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| gmann | #topic Gate Stability | 08:10 |
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| gmann | few pikes in last couple of weeks | 08:10 |
| gmann | #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw | 08:10 |
| gmann | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 08:11 |
| gmann | i remember we hit wsgi bugs and some timeout, let's see in gate categorization | 08:12 |
| gmann | chandankumar, anything you found for gate last week? | 08:13 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: nope, still learning to triage gate, may be next week having somethign | 08:14 |
| chandankumar | i was looking at this http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/g/project/openstack~2Ftempest?searchJob=periodic | 08:15 |
| gmann | anything wrong in periodic jobs? | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/test/tempest.api.compute.limits.test_absolute_limits_negative.AbsoluteLimitsNegativeTestJSON.test_max_image_meta_exceed_limit got failed has 12 failurs | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | gmann: failing due to http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-tempest-dsvm-nnet-ubuntu-xenial-ocata/6412a02/console.html timed out | 08:16 |
| gmann | chandankumar, ohk | 08:18 |
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| gmann | chandankumar, you have log for first failure? limit one | 08:18 |
| gmann | seems like periodic-tempest-dsvm-nnet-ubuntu-xenial-ocata not stable. | 08:18 |
| chandankumar | gmann: still looking, will update after meeting | 08:18 |
| gmann | this failing on every tests seems | 08:19 |
| gmann | chandankumar, thanks a lot. let's debug this after meeting | 08:19 |
| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 08:19 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 08:19 |
| gmann | samP, i know you are waiting for review on this -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/ | 08:20 |
| samP | gmann: yes :) | 08:20 |
| gmann | samP, i will review it before monday (as no cricket this week for me :)) | 08:20 |
| gmann | samP, anything you want to bring or pointed out | 08:21 |
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| samP | gmann: great... | 08:21 |
| chandankumar | samP: can we add some content about auto-healing to spec file | 08:21 |
| samP | chandankumar: sure, I will update it. | 08:21 |
| gmann | yea that will be nice | 08:21 |
| gmann | we have another open spec from Felipe - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461140/ | 08:22 |
| samP | gmann: I was discussed with andreaf yesterday about, have some space to discuss about more details for destructive testing | 08:22 |
| samP | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-qa/%23openstack-qa.2017-07-12.log.html#t2017-07-12T13:25:41 | 08:22 |
| gmann | samP, ok | 08:22 |
| samP | gmann: I will push another 2-3 specs related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/ | 08:23 |
| gmann | samP, on qa? | 08:24 |
| gmann | samP, i did not get complete conversation | 08:24 |
| samP | gmann: Some members in LCOO are working with me on this. we do not have a place to collaborate our work. | 08:25 |
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| chandankumar | samP: sorry i got confused about place. | 08:26 |
| chandankumar | samP: we can use openstack wiki or etherpad to collaborate | 08:26 |
| chandankumar | or is it something else. | 08:26 |
| gmann | samP, ok, and you mean the detail about destructive testing LCOO has should go where? | 08:27 |
| gmann | samP, or some new proposal from LCOO? | 08:27 |
| samP | chandankumar: yes.. we cold. but these documents are related to architecture and need to review them | 08:27 |
| samP | gmann: not a new proposal. | 08:28 |
| gmann | samP, then about architecture of destructive testing ? | 08:28 |
| samP | gmann: yes.. its about tool selection, test scenarios etc.. | 08:29 |
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| gmann | samP, got it | 08:29 |
| gmann | samP, so we can go like this | 08:29 |
| samP | I could create a wiki for this first.. then push those docs to qa spec. | 08:30 |
| gmann | let's merge this first which is kind of idea acceptance - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/ | 08:30 |
| samP | gmann: sure.. | 08:30 |
| gmann | we agreed in barcelona summit but not any official doc merged | 08:31 |
| gmann | 2 step to have another spec about detail architecture and tool, scenario selection etc | 08:31 |
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| gmann | which is more about implementation detail | 08:32 |
| samP | gmann: exactly | 08:32 |
| gmann | 2 tep can be further divided into parts depends on what all things you are covering in that | 08:32 |
| gmann | tep-> step | 08:32 |
| gmann | samP, cool. so let us review first spec and in parallel you can start other spec also | 08:33 |
| samP | gmann: sure | 08:33 |
| gmann | andreaf, ^^ hope this process is fine for you | 08:33 |
| gmann | samP, thanks | 08:33 |
| gmann | anything else on spec | 08:34 |
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| gmann | blancos, i am adding this also in my list -https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461140/ | 08:34 |
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| gmann | #topic Tempest | 08:35 |
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| samP | gmann: thanks.. | 08:35 |
| blancos | gmann Okay thank you :) | 08:35 |
| gmann | Bug Triage: | 08:35 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage | 08:35 |
| gmann | chandankumar, is it your turn? | 08:36 |
| chandankumar | gmann: yes | 08:36 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 08:36 |
| gmann | chandankumar, i updated this and open for glance-store - https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1697953 | 08:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1697953 in tempest "test_shelve_unshelve_server fails on Ceph jobs" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann) | 08:36 |
| chandankumar | New Bugs: 8 -> 3, open bugs: 102 -> 107, In Progress: 29 -> 38, High Importance : 8 -> 7 | 08:36 |
| chandankumar | gmann: other 2 new bugs, just need information from the reporter | 08:37 |
| chandankumar | then it will be confirmed | 08:37 |
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| gmann | chandankumar, in-progress increased ? i thought you said you unassigned some bugs | 08:37 |
| gmann | so i thought NEW count will increase | 08:37 |
| chandankumar | gmann: so some of them bugs have reviewed linked but status does not got changed so i updated it | 08:38 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: and some bugs which are in open bug quite old have got unassigned | 08:38 |
| gmann | chandankumar, ohk | 08:38 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: for the same i have commented on their reviews also on gerrit | 08:38 |
| gmann | chandankumar, ok but unassigned one should go from in-progress -> new | 08:38 |
| chandankumar | to update | 08:38 |
| chandankumar | gmann: oh, i will update the status | 08:39 |
| gmann | or at least to confirmed or triaged if they are already triaged | 08:39 |
| gmann | because in-progress without assignee does not make sense | 08:39 |
| masayukig | gmann: +1 | 08:40 |
| chandankumar | gmann: updated the same on etherpad | 08:40 |
| gmann | chandankumar, thanks for triage. nice work. | 08:40 |
| gmann | chandankumar, nice | 08:40 |
| gmann | next week turn is prateek | 08:41 |
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| gmann | on Tempest, current open reviews - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 08:42 |
| chandankumar | gmann: masayukig https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481939/ needs a look, | 08:42 |
| gmann | make sure we do not merge any tests which are much backend specific and fail on ceph etc | 08:43 |
| chandankumar | gmann: on test difference please have a look on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480856/ then i will update it | 08:43 |
| gmann | chandankumar, sure | 08:43 |
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| gmann | hope cleanup working fine :) i have not tried since long | 08:44 |
| masayukig | chandankumar: I'll take a look at it later | 08:44 |
| gmann | masayukig, you know we everytime we tried that and had some bug | 08:44 |
| gmann | anything else on tempest | 08:44 |
| chandankumar | gmann: how can i minimize time of tempest init? | 08:45 |
| gmann | chandankumar, does it take much time? | 08:45 |
| chandankumar | gmann: in my system 25-30 sec | 08:45 |
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| masayukig | gmann: sorry, I don't catch what you mean.. | 08:46 |
| gmann | is it long or very long | 08:46 |
| chandankumar | 4 gb Devstack box, need pointers on how to optimize | 08:46 |
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| gmann | masayukig, i was saying when we tried tempest cleanup in past it used to have bugs. i hope it is running fine now | 08:46 |
| chandankumar | gmann: it would be good if it takes less time. | 08:47 |
| gmann | 4gb humm you can run devstack? | 08:47 |
| masayukig | gmann: ah, I see | 08:47 |
| masayukig | thx | 08:47 |
| chandankumar | gmann: i do all my development in small space by enabling 4 gb another swap | 08:47 |
| gmann | chandankumar, but yea you can check if we can optimize that. let's discuss next week or so on this | 08:47 |
| chandankumar | gmann: sure | 08:47 |
| gmann | chandankumar, ohk | 08:47 |
| gmann | #topic Patrole | 08:48 |
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| gmann | #link | 08:48 |
| gmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole | 08:48 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole | 08:48 |
| gmann | blancos, your turn | 08:48 |
| blancos | Nothing much to report besides the spec you linked earlier | 08:48 |
| blancos | We'd welcome some outside eyes on reviews as well :) | 08:48 |
| gmann | blancos, thanks. i try to do but not all. | 08:49 |
| gmann | blancos, i saw some change on nova side from Rick about policy change | 08:50 |
| gmann | i will check if that does not break upgrade things | 08:50 |
| blancos | gmann Okay, thank you | 08:50 |
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| gmann | nova spec for patrole is not reviewed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471145/ | 08:51 |
| gmann | most probably it will go for Queens | 08:51 |
| gmann | blancos, is it ok or you want in pike only | 08:51 |
| blancos | gmann It'd be nice for Pike, but we understand that's probably not reasonable to expect | 08:52 |
| gmann | yea pike priority is other from api side. | 08:53 |
| gmann | but i will try to discuss sometime in api meeting and with team | 08:53 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 08:53 |
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| gmann | any critical reviews | 08:53 |
| gmann | #topic Documentation | 08:55 |
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| gmann | anything to discuss on doc things | 08:55 |
| chandankumar | gmann: nope from myside currently. | 08:56 |
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| gmann | ok | 08:56 |
| masayukig | nothing from me | 08:56 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 08:56 |
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| gmann | anything more to discuss or we can close early (3 min though :)) | 08:57 |
| chandankumar | gmann: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/split-tempest-plugins.html i am thinking to update this page with latest stats | 08:57 |
| chandankumar | like some of projects have already moved their plugins to a seperate repo | 08:57 |
| gmann | chandankumar, nice, that is much helpful | 08:58 |
| chandankumar | freezer, keystone, kuryr is done | 08:58 |
| chandankumar | l2gw is in progress | 08:58 |
| masayukig | chandankumar: cool | 08:58 |
| gmann | chandankumar, designate already done | 08:58 |
| chandankumar | gmann: yes | 08:58 |
| masayukig | great | 08:58 |
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| masayukig | 1 min | 08:59 |
| gmann | thanks | 08:59 |
| chandankumar | few seconds.. | 08:59 |
| masayukig | :-p | 08:59 |
| gmann | thanks all for joining | 08:59 |
| gmann | #endmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| masayukig | thanks! | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 09:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-07-13-08.00.html | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-07-13-08.00.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-07-13-08.00.log.html | 09:00 |
| chandankumar | thanks gmann for chairing the meeting. | 09:00 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 14:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | \o | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| * ildikov is lurking | 14:00 | |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | alright let's get started | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #info July 27 is feature freeze (2 weeks away) | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #info July 17 (next week) is the release freeze for non-client libraries (oslo, os-vif, os-traits, os-brick): https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-final-lib | 14:01 |
| * gibi sits in a bit late | 14:01 | |
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| mriedem | i haven't gone digging yet, but if we have any changes to os-vif or os-traits that are going to be dependencies for other work within nova, please let me know asap so i can monitor for a final release | 14:02 |
| bauzas | none I saw for os-traits | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:03 |
| efried | I have a question | 14:03 |
| mriedem | shoot | 14:03 |
| efried | "feature" | 14:03 |
| efried | meaning things that affect functionality or change APIs or whatnot? | 14:03 |
| efried | Not just "you can't drop code for a blueprint after this date" | 14:03 |
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| edleafe | efried: as in "bug fixes still ok" | 14:03 |
| efried | Cause the service catalog endponit stuff may be tight. | 14:03 |
| mriedem | efried: doesn't that rely on a ksa release? | 14:04 |
| efried | Yes, we're still waiting on a big pile of stuff from ksa, sta, and the newly-minted os-service-types | 14:04 |
| mriedem | ksa is a non-client lib so that would have to get released next week | 14:04 |
| mriedem | mordred: ^ | 14:04 |
| mriedem | efried: which blueprint is that holding up? | 14:04 |
| efried | service catalog for endpoints - lemme get the name... | 14:04 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/use-service-catalog-for-endpoints | 14:05 |
| efried | yuh | 14:05 |
| mriedem | so how about we talk with mordred about the state of things after the meeting? | 14:05 |
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| efried | Sure. Been working closely with mordred, and I know we're close. But yes. | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem and efried to talk to mordred about the final ksa release for next week | 14:06 |
| mriedem | remind me if i don't follow up :) | 14:06 |
| efried | rgr | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 65 targeted, 63 approved, 29 completed (+3 from last week) | 14:06 |
| mriedem | so we're making some progress, | 14:06 |
| mriedem | and there are at least about 5 other bps i'm watching that are very close to done | 14:07 |
| mriedem | maybe i'll send those to the ML after the meeting to focus our attention on pushing those over the line | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | yeah good idea | 14:07 |
| bauzas | if some are close to be merged, gtk | 14:07 |
| gmann_ | mriedem: this one can be closed or after pythonclient change - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/fix-quota-classes-api | 14:07 |
| mriedem | #action send list of close to done bps to ML after the meeting | 14:08 |
| mriedem | gmann_: after the client change | 14:08 |
| gmann_ | ok | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i don't consider the api microversion ones done until the novaclient patch is also merged | 14:08 |
| mriedem | ok any other questions about the release? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i know it's tight and we have a lot of work yet to do | 14:08 |
| mriedem | so just put a pot of coffee on | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:09 | |
| mriedem | there are no critical bugs | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #help Need help with bug triage; there are 115 (+6 from last week) new untriaged bugs as of today (July 13). | 14:09 |
| mriedem | gate status is mostly ok | 14:10 |
| mriedem | there were some things yesterday with zuul but infra sorted it out | 14:10 |
| mriedem | no news for 3rd party ci | 14:10 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:10 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | i don't know how realistic that is at this point | 14:11 |
| mriedem | #link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA: https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:11 |
| cdent | is there ptg planning etherpad yet? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:11 |
| mriedem | cdent: nope | 14:11 |
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| cdent | should we intentionally wait? | 14:12 |
| cdent | (so as not to be distracted) | 14:12 |
| bauzas | that's very early | 14:12 |
| mriedem | cdent: that's why i haven't created one yet | 14:12 |
| edleafe | +1 on too early | 14:12 |
| cdent | ✔ | 14:12 |
| bauzas | for stable branches, I did a bit of review for ocata | 14:12 |
| mriedem | my focus is about hour to hour right now :) | 14:12 |
| gmann_ | yea lot of time | 14:12 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yeah i saw that, thanks | 14:12 |
| bauzas | do we need some point release soon ? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | i wasn't planning one | 14:12 |
| mriedem | we've done several this release already | 14:13 |
| mriedem | we'll do another one around the rc1 i suppose | 14:13 |
| bauzas | okay, so maybe after pike-3 I guess | 14:13 |
| bauzas | yeah ok | 14:13 |
| bauzas | so nothing urgent | 14:13 |
| mriedem | i don't really have other news except they are finally killing off mitaka | 14:13 |
| mriedem | infra is removing jobs, etc | 14:13 |
| bauzas | yeah there was a thread | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | and the stable/mitaka branch is gone | 14:13 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:14 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | i'll cover cells v2 as dan is not around this morning | 14:14 |
| mriedem | #help Need reviews on quotas https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416521/ and fixing server external events https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445142/ | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | i've spent a good chunk of 2 days reviewing the bottom quotas change | 14:14 |
| mriedem | and talking through things with melwitt | 14:14 |
| mriedem | so she has some stuff to update in there | 14:15 |
| bauzas | the quota thing is a bit frightening :( | 14:15 |
| mriedem | that bottom one is the change to start counting instances, which is the last reservable resource we have left | 14:15 |
| mriedem | yes so it's complicated | 14:15 |
| mriedem | and melwitt has done an awesome job working through this and being patient | 14:15 |
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| mriedem | the other patch there is another dependency for multi-cell, | 14:16 |
| bauzas | sure, my main question is how we could raise our confidence in that patch | 14:16 |
| mriedem | and a bug fix, | 14:16 |
| mriedem | looks like that needs to be rebased | 14:16 |
| mriedem | bauzas: you could review it for one :) | 14:16 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I began | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | I have some comments but nothing uploaded yet | 14:16 |
| mriedem | and get it merged so we have time to bake it in and flush out issues | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | i would love to see someone do a rally comparison before and after that patch to see if performance is impacted much | 14:17 |
| mriedem | dtp was looking for things to help with, maybe he could do that | 14:17 |
| mordred | mriedem, efried (yes to ksa discussion) | 14:17 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to talk to dtp about running rally against the bottom quotas change | 14:17 |
| bauzas | mriedem: could we see the quota patch being tested live ? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | bauzas: what does 'live' mean? | 14:18 |
| mriedem | it's tested in our ci like everything else | 14:18 |
| bauzas | some end-to-end testing | 14:18 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:18 |
| bauzas | let's not derail the meeting | 14:18 |
| mriedem | the thing that worries me the most about quotas test coverage, | 14:18 |
| mriedem | is that tempest uses a separate tenant for every test | 14:18 |
| mriedem | so if we start leaking quota, we won't find that in a normal tempest dsvm run | 14:19 |
| mriedem | especially for complicated things like resize | 14:19 |
| bauzas | :/ | 14:19 |
| mriedem | so, | 14:19 |
| mriedem | something someone could do is pull that change down and do like 20 resizes in a row or someting | 14:19 |
| mriedem | and find out if we blow up quota | 14:19 |
| mriedem | or, push a DNM patch that does that with tempest | 14:19 |
| bauzas | that's the end-to-end testing I had in mine | 14:20 |
| bauzas | mind* | 14:20 |
| mriedem | just run the resize tests 10 times in a row with the same tenant | 14:20 |
| gmann_ | mriedem: separate tests you mean separate quota tests? | 14:20 |
| bauzas | but I could try to devstack it | 14:20 |
| mriedem | gmann_: no the tenant isolation in tempest | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | quotas are counted against the project | 14:20 |
| mriedem | so each test has it's own project and quota | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | so if we're leaking quota, we won't notice because we aren't using a single tenant through the entire tempest run | 14:21 |
| mriedem | gmann_: are you aware of any ci jobs that run tempest without tenant isolation? i know there used to be a periodic job that did that | 14:21 |
| mriedem | the novaclient functional tests also do that, fwiw | 14:21 |
| gmann_ | it used to be a serial job which use single tenant | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so we could point a dnm novaclient change at that series and see what happens | 14:22 |
| mriedem | the novaclient functional test is a serial job with a single tenant | 14:22 |
| mriedem | so we can start with that | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | #action run a DNM novaclient patch against dan's fleetify devstack change which depends on the quotas series to see if we're leaking quota at all | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | i still think we need to do something like resize 20 times in a row | 14:23 |
| gmann_ | mriedem: but we have deprecated that things and we can do via account file which has pre defined tenants to run tempest against | 14:23 |
| mriedem | but let's move on - if we're worried about this stuff, we have things we can do, like reviews, rally testing and endurance testing with a single tenant | 14:23 |
| bauzas | mriedem: writing a novaclient change that would do 20 resizes ? | 14:23 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yes maybe | 14:23 |
| bauzas | mmm | 14:23 |
| mriedem | moving on | 14:23 |
| mriedem | i will rebase and address comments on the services/hypervisors API uuid changes | 14:24 |
| mriedem | thanks to alex_xu for the thorough reviews there | 14:24 |
| alex_xu | np | 14:24 |
| mriedem | #info Started an etherpad to track remaining TODOs for Pike (like docs gaps): https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-cells-v2-todos | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | i should throw the test ideas up in ^ | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | ok moving on to scheduler | 14:25 |
| mriedem | edleafe: | 14:25 |
| edleafe | We briefly discussed the spec amendment regarding picking up the Ironic flavor migration work that jroll was going to do. In that discussion, dtantsur brought up his work to make devstack use custom resource classes in Ironic by default. Patches to use Traits with AllocationCandidates have also been pushed by alex_xu. | 14:25 |
| edleafe | We then spent the next half hour discussing jaypipes's patch for claiming in the scheduler, and the implications of those changes. We managed to achieve harmony, then held hands and sang folk songs afterwards. | 14:25 |
| edleafe | Finally there was a discussion about only implementing half of the proposed change to the scheduler for claiming, and that until that is made, complex resource providers cannot be supported. Since that's not happening until Queens, it was agreed that it was fine to change the method signatures twice to reflect that support for complex RPs would not happen in Pike. | 14:25 |
| edleafe | EOM | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:26 |
| mriedem | for those wondering, | 14:26 |
| mriedem | the current focus for that series is starting here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482381/ | 14:27 |
| mriedem | #link claims in scheduler series is here now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482381/ | 14:27 |
| mriedem | ok moving on to api | 14:27 |
| bauzas | not really nope ? | 14:27 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: anything to bring up here? | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | Talk about 'PUT /os-services' API, agree with the API should be idempotent | 14:27 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-no-more-extensions-pike | 14:27 |
| bauzas | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482382/ is the bottom one now | 14:27 |
| bauzas | AFAIK | 14:28 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:28 |
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| alex_xu | need review help for the api-no-more-extension-pike, they are easy, just need one more core reviewer | 14:28 |
| alex_xu | that's all | 14:28 |
| edleafe | bauzas: the dependencies are mixed up for that series | 14:28 |
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| jaypipes | and then jaypipes almost committed suicide last night attempting to deal with the awfulness of the scheduler. | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | #action mriedem to create a scheduler hotline for people working on it | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | ok moving on to notifications | 14:30 |
| mriedem | gibi: you're up | 14:30 |
| * edleafe has an idea for a new market for Valium | 14:30 | |
| gibi | We discussed the last pieces of the additional-notification-fields-for-searchlight bp and as a result mand | 14:30 |
| gibi | atory part of the BDM piece has already been merged. The tag support at instance create is still ongoing and in focus. | 14:30 |
| gibi | Another patch in focus is a bugfix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1684860 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475276/ | 14:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1684860 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Versioned server notifications don't include updated_at" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Takashi NATSUME (natsume-takashi) | 14:30 |
| gibi | Most of the notification transformation patches need a rebase due to the BDM addition mentioned above. | 14:30 |
| gibi | that is all | 14:30 |
| mriedem | takashin: fyi on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475276/ | 14:31 |
| takashin | mriedem: Thank you. | 14:31 |
| mriedem | yeah and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469800/ is on my short list of bps | 14:31 |
| mriedem | that's the tags at server create one | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i know alex_xu was +2 on it at one point | 14:32 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:32 |
| mriedem | cinder stuff | 14:32 |
| mriedem | needs reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+topic:bp/cinder-new-attach-apis+branch:master | 14:32 |
| mriedem | specifically the swap volume change has a +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456971/ | 14:32 |
| mriedem | so it would be cool to see another core get to that one | 14:33 |
| ildikov | Cinder dependencies are all merged for the patches in the chain | 14:33 |
| mriedem | stvnoyes is working on some grenade testing | 14:33 |
| mriedem | hyper-v live migration is passing with the new flow | 14:33 |
| mriedem | need testing from xenapi team at Citrix | 14:33 |
| ildikov | XenAPI is confirmed to work as well | 14:33 |
| mriedem | ok, yeah i saw they were reviewing | 14:33 |
| mriedem | the live migration patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463987/ | 14:33 |
| mriedem | i just started back on that before the meeting | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | but, i posted a change last week that runs the new flow through with the live migration changes and with the volume-backed live migration tests in tempest and things were all passing | 14:34 |
| mriedem | so i'm fairly confident in the functionality, just need to dig into edge cases | 14:34 |
| mriedem | moving on | 14:35 |
| ildikov | we will have the Cinder-Nova meeting soon, so can sort those out hopefully | 14:35 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | nothing on the agenda - is there anything to bring up here? | 14:35 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | anything anyone wants to bring up? | 14:35 |
| stephenfin | I've got one | 14:35 |
| stephenfin | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:doc-migration+project:openstack/nova+status:open | 14:35 |
| stephenfin | ^ they need +2s if we ever want to have documentation again | 14:36 |
| mriedem | #link nova docs migration starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/478472/ | 14:36 |
| mriedem | "It'll be a great day in the parish" | 14:36 |
| mriedem | oh come on | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | your irish catholicism is bleeding through | 14:37 |
| stephenfin | personally, I think if we ignore stylistic things and merge anything that's not actually broken, we can come back and revisit after p-3 | 14:37 |
| stephenfin | mriedem: Never forget where you came from ;) | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | Can we discuss the ironic migration? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481748/ | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: sure if jaypipes is around for it | 14:37 |
| mriedem | i know dan isn't | 14:37 |
| edleafe | I'm still not clear on the order that things will be changing for this | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | I'm here. | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | step 1 is getting the custom resource class reported into allocations | 14:38 |
| mriedem | we report the inventory, but not the actual allocation | 14:38 |
| mriedem | and i believe the vehicle for doing that is putting the resource class info in the flavor extra spec on startup of the driver | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: step 1 is getting the custom resource class added to the flavor so we can tell that it's being requested. | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: yes, bingo. | 14:39 |
| mriedem | because then the scheduler report client can pull the resource class data off the extra spec in the update_available_resource periodic | 14:39 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 14:39 |
| mriedem | that's the order i have in the work items section anyway | 14:39 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481748/1/specs/pike/approved/custom-resource-classes-in-flavors.rst@165 | 14:40 |
| edleafe | So what about existing ironic nodes? Will the extra_spec change show up in their instance.flavoe? | 14:40 |
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| edleafe | s/flavoe/flavor | 14:40 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:40 |
| mriedem | that's the whole poin | 14:40 |
| mriedem | *point | 14:40 |
| mriedem | on startup of nova-compute, the driver gets it's existing instances, | 14:40 |
| jaypipes | right | 14:41 |
| mriedem | and for their corresponding ironic node, | 14:41 |
| edleafe | ok, just checking whether this would be a new flavor or an update | 14:41 |
| bauzas | that's in the spec, nope ?N | 14:41 |
| mriedem | get the node.resource_class and shove that into the embedded instance.flavor.extra_specs | 14:41 |
| mriedem | bauzas: it was never clear in the original spec | 14:41 |
| mriedem | which is why i was amending it | 14:41 |
| bauzas | ok, I'm unclear about the problem | 14:41 |
| bauzas | ok | 14:41 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: to be clear, this isn't updating existing global flavors, | 14:41 |
| mriedem | it's updating the embedded flavor in the existing instances | 14:41 |
| jaypipes | right | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | re: edleafe | 14:42 |
| mriedem | because that's what the scheduler report client looks at when putting allocations | 14:42 |
| edleafe | so the first step is adding the resource class to existing nodes? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | no | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | 's question about should be zero out cpu/ram/disk, etc... I think the aNSWER TO THAT IS YES. | 14:42 |
| jaypipes | oh ffs, typing sucks. | 14:42 |
| mriedem | if the ironic node.resource_class is not None, then do data migration steps | 14:42 |
| mriedem | else skip | 14:42 |
| edleafe | ok, compute starts up and looks at node.resource_class. Where/how does that get populated? | 14:43 |
| mriedem | it's populated in ironic | 14:43 |
| mriedem | when the node is created in ironic | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: in the ironic get_inventory() | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | here: | 14:43 |
| edleafe | so all existing ironic nodes will be updated to return that class? | 14:43 |
| mriedem | if we're going to step through this, can we do it in -nova rather than hold up the meeting? | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/ironic/driver.py#L615 | 14:43 |
| edleafe | mriedem: sure. | 14:43 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: that's already been done. | 14:43 |
| mriedem | ok anything else? | 14:44 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: ok, that wasn't clear | 14:44 |
| mriedem | alright i'm going to end it, thanks everyone | 14:44 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 14:44:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-07-13-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-07-13-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-07-13-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
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| armax | hi | 21:59 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you around? | 21:59 |
| armax | anyone? | 22:00 |
| armax | mlavalle, ihrachys, amotoki_away | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:00 |
| armax | ping-o | 22:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:00 |
| * haleyb thought it was always 'bueller?' but he's showing his age | 22:00 | |
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| ihrachys | hmm | 22:02 |
| armax | so kevinbenton informed over my private and encrypted channel we have that he’s enroute | 22:02 |
| armax | and might not possibly make the meeting | 22:02 |
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| armax | so we have two options | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | does the channel have plausible deniability property? | 22:03 |
| armax | start without him | 22:03 |
| armax | and wait for him to join | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | Hi | 22:03 |
| armax | ihrachys: of course | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | On my phone | 22:03 |
| armax | ihrachys: but I might have just ruined it | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | Riding in a car | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, I hope you don't drive? | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | Nope | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | ok | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: go ahead and run | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | I can click links and participate | 22:04 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 13 22:05:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:05 |
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| armax | let’s go over the list of triaged RFEs | 22:05 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:05 |
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| armax | we discussed bug #1667877 last week | 22:06 |
| openstack | bug 1667877 in neutron "[RFE] Allow DVR for E/W while leaving N/S centralized" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1667877 | 22:06 |
| armax | there’s a new comment | 22:06 |
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| armax | from Swami | 22:06 |
| armax | replied | 22:07 |
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| armax | but irrc balls was in kevinbenton’s court | 22:07 |
| armax | to go approve the RFE and sprinkle his magic | 22:07 |
| armax | kevinbenton? | 22:07 |
| armax | same for bug #1669630 | 22:08 |
| openstack | bug 1669630 in neutron "Network RBAC acceptance workflow" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1669630 | 22:08 |
| armax | but no action since last week | 22:08 |
| armax | let’s look at a new one | 22:08 |
| armax | bug 1672852 | 22:08 |
| openstack | bug 1672852 in neutron "[RFE] Make controllers with different list of supported API extensions to behave identically" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672852 | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | Slow! | 22:08 |
| armax | dear to ihrachys…no longer | 22:08 |
| armax | oh sorry | 22:08 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you have the floor | 22:09 |
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| * armax goes and buys a decent LTE plan for kevinbenton | 22:09 | |
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| kevinbenton | Ok. Proceee | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | d | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | I thought I needed to say something | 22:09 |
| armax | oh boy | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | yeah, it helps to show who's the boss | 22:10 |
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| kevinbenton | When you said ball was in my court | 22:10 |
| armax | kevinbenton: OK | 22:10 |
| armax | bug #1672852 | 22:10 |
| openstack | bug 1672852 in neutron "[RFE] Make controllers with different list of supported API extensions to behave identically" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672852 | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | I was reading spec to see what I needed to do | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | this RFE, I suggest to scrap and get back to idea in 6 cycles or so | 22:11 |
| armax | ihrachys’s suggestion is to make this ‘postponed' | 22:11 |
| armax | ihrachys: yeah but what does this mean for the overall rolling upgrade strategy for neutron? | 22:11 |
| armax | ihrachys: is that stalled as well? | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | +1 for defer | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | it means that we will get there a tad later | 22:12 |
| armax | this RFE is instrumental to make that happen without side-effects | 22:12 |
| armax | drop the hyphen between side and effects | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | no, we work on database layer and stuff; just api may behave a tad different during rolling upgrade; that can be mitigated by sticky lb and such | 22:12 |
| armax | no? | 22:12 |
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| armax | OK | 22:12 |
| armax | ihrachys: mind you perhaps make that recommendation and mark it rfe-postponed? | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | ok | 22:13 |
| armax | danke | 22:13 |
| armax | next one | 22:13 |
| armax | bug #1682247 | 22:13 |
| openstack | bug 1682247 in neutron "Neutron should be able to fetch hostkeys for ports" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1682247 | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | have we resolved the concern around why it's neutron and not nova? | 22:14 |
| armax | I think we spec stalled, but I think there’s a good consensus that this stuff does make sense and we want to do that in neutron-land | 22:14 |
| armax | mordred: ^ | 22:14 |
| armax | ihrachys: yes, | 22:14 |
| armax | ihrachys: I think there were a number of comments on the initial draft for the spec | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | is it about different finger per port? | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | in multiport vm | 22:15 |
| armax | and so long as we don’t make neutron bloat into a certificate authority this is enough of an enhancement that makes certain security attacks a thing of the past | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | I remember they were discussing in infra | 22:15 |
| armax | ihrachys: it shouldn’t be IMO, but that’s a detail for the spec | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | And there was still question about whether there should be a more general way to get info to API | 22:15 |
| mlavalle | did modred respond to your question, kevinbenton? | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | From instance | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | Not yet | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | so I say let's hold on this one until we hear back from modred | 22:17 |
| armax | so kevinbenton this one is to be approved, assumed we have mordred respinning the spec and potentially prototyping the neutron code? | 22:17 |
| armax | mlavalle: ok | 22:17 |
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| armax | I guess we can agree the use case and the proposal makes sense | 22:17 |
| armax | ? | 22:17 |
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| mlavalle | I do | 22:17 |
| mordred | I think kevinbenton may have actually convinced me that thereis a viable alternative | 22:17 |
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| mordred | but I do still want to respin/update it | 22:18 |
| armax | mordred: do share! | 22:18 |
| mordred | I also owe a blog post/write up of the summary of the kevinbenton discussion | 22:18 |
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| armax | mordred: what alternative are you referring to, if you can summarize it in a few words | 22:19 |
| armax | ? | 22:19 |
| mordred | armax: it would take too long to do in irc - I'll write it up and post it and then ping you - it took us AGES to get all theway to the meat of th eissue | 22:19 |
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| mordred | hrm. I can _try_ real quick - tl;dr is that as long as you don't expose secrets over the connection, an initial key-based (and only key-based) connection can be foud to be safe... | 22:20 |
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| armax | mordred: OK, but was the alternative suggesting that this be done outside neutron? | 22:20 |
| mordred | if you can verify content on the host that would also identify the host as being the correct host and not a mitm honeypot | 22:20 |
| armax | mordred: I suppose that would potentially lead to a more convoluted user experience? | 22:21 |
| mordred | with a config-drive attached to a vm, you could, with a single command that does not send secrets over the wire, verify that content you expect to be on the host is, in fact, on the host - and therefore that the host is not a honeypot | 22:21 |
| mordred | yes | 22:21 |
| armax | or at least with more steps involved? | 22:21 |
| mordred | it's a thing you have to do precisely correctly | 22:21 |
| mordred | BUT - it _is_ possible to do precisely correctly and have confidence | 22:21 |
| mordred | so I still think we should have the other thing- bcause many cloud users would like help with stuff | 22:21 |
| mordred | and the more help we can give them on topics where they're more than likely otherwise to get stuff wrong the better | 22:22 |
| armax | I see | 22:22 |
| mordred | but the spec needs a respin - sorry I haven't followed up with it | 22:22 |
| armax | I suppose it’s an alternative, but probably not as viable :) | 22:22 |
| armax | in the sense that is a lot more labor intensive in the number of steps required on the user to ascertain that the host is not indeed a bogus one | 22:23 |
| armax | ? | 22:23 |
| mordred | yah | 22:23 |
| mordred | and there's a bunch of "this only works in these exact conditions" | 22:24 |
| armax | I think this might be my initial though when thinking to have this done in nova itself, either way you could potentially capture this in the alternatives section in the spec | 22:24 |
| mordred | ++ | 22:24 |
| mordred | will do | 22:24 |
| armax | mordred: thansk | 22:24 |
| mordred | in fact, honestly, I thnk having good and thorough documentation on the process that can be used wold be good | 22:24 |
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| armax | + | 22:25 |
| armax | makes sense | 22:25 |
| armax | mordred: OK, look forward to a new patchset! thanks a lot | 22:25 |
| armax | if there’s nothing else on this subject | 22:26 |
| armax | moving on to... | 22:26 |
| armax | bug #1689830 | 22:26 |
| openstack | bug 1689830 in neutron "[RFE] advanced policy for allowed addres pairs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1689830 | 22:26 |
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| kevinbenton | So it seems like they want the allowed address pairs | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | But a subset | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | Safe to use on a shared network | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | IIUC | 22:28 |
| armax | right now allowed address pairs is admin or network owner only | 22:29 |
| armax | but there’s no validation on which IP is put in the pair correct? | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | Yeah | 22:29 |
| armax | anyone else happens to recall this important detail? :) | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | But that validation isn't really needed | 22:30 |
| armax | so the proposal is about relaxing the constraint, ie. allowing anyone to create an AAP for a port on a shared network only if it matches a specifc IP on that network? | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | Yeah, that was my interpretation | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | Allow regular users on shared network | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | To use allowed address pair for address they own | 22:31 |
| armax | from a policy engine standpoint the implementation may look hairy | 22:32 |
| armax | no? | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | Yeah | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | Would require full get_ports call | 22:32 |
| armax | can RBAC be of any help here? | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | I don't think so | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | It might be easier to add another attr | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | To port | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | That is validated differently but treated like an allowed address pair | 22:33 |
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| armax | if the policy were to be relaxed | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | The new attr would have the relaxed policy | 22:35 |
| armax | allowing any regular user to handle allowed address pairs | 22:35 |
| armax | what difference would it make? | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | New attr would only allow addresses of ports the userown | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | User owns | 22:35 |
| mlavalle | right, he referes to already allocated ip addresses | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | to the user | 22:36 |
| armax | a new attribute would create some confusion though | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | Yeah | 22:38 |
| armax | is this something that might be addressed using a different policy rule? | 22:39 |
| armax | like if the account has a special service role? | 22:40 |
| armax | like we did for some of the advanced services? | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | Yeah, but they are basically admitted | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | Admin on the network | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | They could use service role | 22:40 |
| armax | right | 22:40 |
| armax | that’s what I am thinking | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | But I got the impression the user was untrusted | 22:40 |
| armax | probably we need more input about the use case | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | Maybe we need that clarified | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | Yeah | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | yes | 22:41 |
| armax | OK | 22:41 |
| mlavalle | I don't think we have enough understanding of his use case | 22:41 |
| armax | I’ll capture these notes and put in o the report | 22:41 |
| armax | bug #1690921 | 22:42 |
| openstack | bug 1690921 in neutron "[RFE] Manage Broadcast, Unicast, and Multicast traffic" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690921 | 22:42 |
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| armax | I suppose this is one of those RFEs that is a slippery slope | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | this seems to be a job for CCF integration with sg? I understand that's vaporware right now though. | 22:43 |
| armax | ihrachys: don’t think so | 22:43 |
| armax | the way I understand this is that the proposal is to have more fine grained control over packet filtering | 22:44 |
| armax | I suppose traffic classification would be needed in the solution | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | by adding more fiedls to security group rules | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | is classifier all about fine grained? | 22:45 |
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| ihrachys | *isn't | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | I mean this in case it's not clear: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/ | 22:46 |
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| kevinbenton | I think classifier might make sense though | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | Rather than bolt on more options to sg directly | 22:46 |
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| armax | ihrachys: right, I think a classifier would be needed in the solution, but the user facing API would still be security groups | 22:46 |
| armax | at least in this RFE, no? | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | that's what's proposed but I don't think we should go there | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | Well the API is the classifier | 22:47 |
| ihrachys | CCF provides a api resource that you tangle to sg | 22:47 |
| kevinbenton | So only change to sg is maybe reference to CCF | 22:47 |
| mlavalle | why not suggest to the submitter to look at the CCF spec and provide feedback? | 22:48 |
| ihrachys | yeah. problem is, there is no CCF api right now, and realistically, we can only hope for Q if not R | 22:48 |
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| armax | ihrachys: I’d be wary to use that as an argument though | 22:49 |
| armax | to allow an RFE such as this to proceed | 22:49 |
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| armax | wouldn’t you agree? | 22:49 |
| ihrachys | no I don't suggest that at all. I feel CCF is the way to go. | 22:49 |
| mlavalle | so let's steer the submitter in that direction.... | 22:50 |
| armax | ihrachys: do you know that the CCF proposal is enough to allow the classification of the traffic as proposed by this RFE? | 22:50 |
| ihrachys | would need to look at details but that shouldn't stop us if some small bit is missing | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | we can extend | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | I can dig and report to LP tomorrow with proper reply | 22:51 |
| armax | ihrachys: ack | 22:51 |
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| armax | so shall we leave this to you? | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | yea | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | made a todo note | 22:52 |
| armax | okey-dokey | 22:52 |
| armax | bug #1690937 | 22:52 |
| openstack | bug 1690937 in neutron "[RFE] Support allowed address pairs without ip address" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690937 - Assigned to Ruslan Gustomyasov (rusik) | 22:52 |
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| armax | btw can I make a general remark? | 22:53 |
| ihrachys | sure | 22:53 |
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| armax | RFEs are supposed to provide use cases, benefits to the use cases etc | 22:53 |
| armax | not solutions | 22:53 |
| armax | with no context whatsoever | 22:54 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 22:54 |
| armax | this is the second if not the third RFE that is marked as triaged without comments | 22:54 |
| armax | that tend to clarify what the proposal is for | 22:54 |
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| ihrachys | ack, my fault. :) | 22:54 |
| armax | that I am seeing right now | 22:54 |
| armax | ihrachys: I still love you | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | Timecheck: we have 5 minutes left | 22:55 |
| armax | mine is just a suggestion so that we can have more meat on the bone when we do come to talk about the RFE during this meeting | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | we all love ihrachys | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | this one totally slipped through cracks somehow, I feel embarrassed. don't we allow 0.0.0.0/0 already? | 22:56 |
| armax | in this case, I am not sure I am able to parse this RFE | 22:56 |
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| armax | also this one | 22:57 |
| armax | bug #1694165 | 22:57 |
| openstack | bug 1694165 in neutron "Improve Neutron documentation for simpler deployments" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1694165 | 22:57 |
| armax | why is it even an RFE? | 22:57 |
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| armax | I removed the RFE tag | 22:57 |
| armax | OK, 3 mins left let’s ask on bug 1690937 more clarity | 22:58 |
| openstack | bug 1690937 in neutron "[RFE] Support allowed address pairs without ip address" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1690937 - Assigned to Ruslan Gustomyasov (rusik) | 22:58 |
| armax | for now I suppose we shall wrap up | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | ok. you want me to ask? | 22:58 |
| armax | ihrachys: yes, please | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | ok | 22:58 |
| armax | I’ll commetn as well | 22:58 |
| armax | anything else before we close? | 22:59 |
| armax | #chair kevinbenton | 22:59 |
| openstack | Current chairs: armax kevinbenton | 22:59 |
| armax | close the meeting | 22:59 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: ^ | 22:59 |
| armax | :) | 22:59 |
| armax | show us you were paying attention | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 13 22:59:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-07-13-22.05.html | 22:59 |
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| armax | attaboy | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-07-13-22.05.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-07-13-22.05.log.html | 22:59 |
| armax | bye folks | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:59 |
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