Thursday, 2017-04-20

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ekcstime for congress meeting. thinrichs ramineni_ masahito aimeeu00:00
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ramineni_ekcs: hi00:01
ekcs#startmeeting congressteammeeting00:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 20 00:01:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:01
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ekcshi ramineni_ . welcome back!00:01
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ekcsHi all! as usual, the proposed topics are here. please take a few moments to take a look and feel free to add more.00:02
ekcs#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics00:02
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masahitohi00:03
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ekcshi masahito !00:05
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ekcsok let’s get started then.00:06
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ekcs#topic announcements00:06
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ekcsPike-1 was released last week. We got a fair amount of stuff in there, but definitely a lot more to be done in the next two milestones =)00:07
ekcsNot much more to say there.00:07
ekcsAny other announcements?00:07
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ramineni_ekcs: when is pike2 targted?00:08
ekcsramineni_: week of Jun 500:08
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ramineni_ekcs: ohok00:09
ekcsok moving on then.00:10
ekcs#topic patches00:10
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ekcsramineni_: we discussed your datasource page layout patch last time.00:11
ekcs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445371/00:11
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ekcswe can continue today.00:11
ramineni_ekcs: yes00:11
ekcsTo summarize, I think most of us thought it’s great to separate the datasource tables into their individual datasource pages.00:11
ekcsekcs and thinrichs also think that the current Service Status portion of the datasources page is important and it’d be great to keep that information around in one page.00:12
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ramineni_sounds good. until I find a way to add service status into the first table, i can keep the service status table also listed00:13
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ekcsBoth thinrichs and ekcs suggested that if it’s not easy to rework the new datasource listing to display the status info like before, we can just display the old Service Status table on top, in addition to the new datasouce listing.00:14
ekcsRight.00:15
ekcsSo anything else to discuss there?00:15
ramineni_ekcs: ok, sure, will update that00:15
ramineni_ekcs: no00:15
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ekcsawesome.00:16
ekcsok any other patches we’d like to discuss here?00:16
ramineni_ekcs: need one help00:16
ekcsyups.00:17
ramineni_ekcs: devstack patch I have added for dashboard project, works fine for me . Can anyone test it out the same for confirmation before merging , Ill update the patch today00:17
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ekcsThis one? #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453474/00:18
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ramineni_ekcs: yes00:18
ramineni_ill fix the jenkins today00:18
ekcsSilly question: how do you test it?00:19
ekcsIf I ./stack in devstack, it’ll grab the plugin from github repo right?00:20
ramineni_ekcs: :)00:20
ekcsBut we want it to grab the plugin from this unmerged code.00:20
ramineni_ekcs: i did with OFFLINE=True, it took the unmerged code00:20
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ramineni_ekcs: If you dont keep RECLONE=True, it desnt checkout the new code i guess, so takes the changes00:21
ekcsI see. Could you add a comment or commit message in gerrit telling someone exactly how to do it? it’ll save like at least half an hour of someone else trying to figure it out.00:21
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ramineni_ekcs: sure, will do that00:22
ekcsthanks!00:22
ekcsany other patches to discuss?00:22
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ramineni_nothing from my side00:23
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ekcsok let’s move on then.00:23
ekcs#topic policy library00:24
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ekcsok back at policy library again!00:24
ekcsI’ve been working on a spec for the policy library. Here are some issues/questions that came up as I did that.00:24
ekcsI’ll put them down here and if there are thoughts now, please discuss.00:24
ekcsIf not, we can move on and leave discussion to gerrit.00:25
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ekcspolicy library spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457880/00:25
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masahitoI'll check the spec00:25
ekcsSo the questions are:00:26
ekcs1. Assuming we want the policy files in yaml format, should we make the API itself accept yaml? or let GUI, client, and other users of the API convert yaml to json (straightforward)?00:26
ekcs2. If we decide for the API to accept yaml, when POSTing to ../policies?format=yaml, should the whole body be in yaml? or just the rules part?00:26
ekcs3. If we want policies in the library to be automatically updated in response to changes in the library directory, what do we do with multi-PE conflicts?00:26
masahitoFor #1 it's better to only accept json format in server side.00:27
ekcsmasahito: makes sense.00:28
masahitoGUI and client parse the yaml to json and send a request.00:28
ekcsIs thinrichs around? He suggested accepting yaml in API.00:28
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thinrichsYep00:28
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thinrichsI guess I hadn't thought that far along00:29
thinrichsThe main thing to me was that people could write the policies in YAML00:29
thinrichsBut JSON seems a good approximation of that00:29
thinrichsOne thing I'm unclear on skimming thru the spec...00:30
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thinrichsIf someone adds a policy to the library via the API, is that getting saved to files on disk?00:30
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thinrichsOr are the files on disk only useful for devstack/etc. to load the policy library?00:31
ekcsSo assume we write the policy files in YAML, there’s a choice between letting the API accept YAML, or letting the GUI/client/API caller convert the YAML to JSON. The main consideration is whether there would be an API caller that can’t easily to that conversion before calling.00:31
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ramineni_and one question, how are users going to custoimize the policicies in library, just editing the files in library?00:32
thinrichsI think the YAML question might be answered by understanding how the files on disk relate to the policies in servers00:32
thinrichss/policies/policy libraries/00:32
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thinrichsOne option is to create DB tables that store the policy library, and the files on disk are just used to populate that library.00:33
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thinrichsSo that would involve persisting the policy library via the DB, just like we persist the regular policies (and rules) today.00:33
ekcsthinrichs: ok. I’m not sure yet. If we want a changed/added file to be reflected in the server library (as bryan_att suggested), then it seems we would also want to sync the changes to the server library back to the files.00:34
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thinrichsI could imagine giving people an API that lets them download the current policy library and store them as YAML files.00:34
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thinrichsBut esp. with multiple policy servers, persisting to files sounds unwieldy00:35
ekcsBut the syncing can lead to complications when there are multiple PEs. So I’m not sure we should really do the syncing at this point. (we all see dropbox and services like that occassionally encountering conflicts that required manual resolution)00:35
ekcsright.00:36
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ekcsPersonally I see the automatic update from changed files as a second/third order feature we could dispense with for now.00:37
thinrichsI'd lean toward a model where we have APIs that make it easy to upload/download the files, but that the source of truth is always the DB00:37
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ekcsthinrichs: I’m thinking the same way.00:37
masahitoI haven't read the spec yet, but the libraries store policy as a file?00:38
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masahitoI imagine DB only has a map, library name to policy/rule id and vice verse. then API only returns the collection of the policy/rule.00:39
ekcsHere’s a good place to look at first real quick. #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/12f1VciulhT9yCYOc7jiulGiLT-tFpffLxNOpr-2QX2I/edit#00:39
ekcsthinrichs put down proposed workflows.00:39
masahitooops, ok. I'll also check.00:39
ekcsmasahito: that’s kind of like the short version of the spec. I’m writing the spec based on that short sketch.00:40
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ramineni_i think yaml accepts the customizable input through command line also?00:43
ramineni_but may be ill also check the spec first, confused why storing library in DB is required00:43
ekcsmasahito: What I put in the spec is there are two new DB tables.00:43
ekcs* A librarypolicies table to store the policies in the policies library.00:44
ekcs* A libraryrules table to store the rules in the policies in the policies library.00:44
ekcsThe question is whether to keep that in sync with the files on disk in the policy-library directory.00:45
masahitoI thought congress server only keeps the uri of the libraries. like file:///foo or http://bar00:46
ekcsramineni_: I suppose we don’t technically need both DB and file. Perhaps we could just have one of the other.00:46
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thinrichsOne thing I just realized: in the library we're thinking about policy+rules as the thing we are CRUDing, but in the existing policy API it's just the policy (not the rules) that we CRUD00:47
masahitoand reads the file from the uri, then it only create the library id in the table and use current policy/rule.00:48
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ramineni_and library policies are only templates , storing in file makes sense? and loading them with actual values can be stored in DB00:49
ekcsmasahito: I’m a littel confused. maybe tell us what tables and column you envision in your thinking?00:50
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ekcsramineni_: in thinrichs ’s sketch, the idea is to forgo the concept of templates for now, but store actual concrete policy rules in the policy library. then let the user simply edit the policy rules before importing into policy engine.00:51
masahitoekcs: new tables are "policy library" table and "map of a policy library to a rule" to handle the new APIs. and using existing 'policies' table and 'policy_rules' table to handle rules in the library.00:52
masahitoekcs: I'll comment details in the spec00:53
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ekcsthinrichs: Not exactly sure what you mean. We do have CRUD of rules. #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/14hM7-GSm3CcyohPT2Q7GalyrQRohVcx77hxEx4AO4Bk/edit# The difference is before when you create a policy, it’s always empty. Now we want to allow creation of a policy with rules also provided in the request. Right?00:53
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ekcsmasahito: ok. one quick clarification, in what you’re describing, every rule in the policy library is also stored in the policy_rules table right? So it needs to have a flag saying it’s not enabled?00:54
masahitoekcs: yes.00:55
thinrichsRight.  But we need to be careful when saying "policy": are we talking about the policy metadata that's stored in the DB today in the policy table, or are we talking about the policy metadata plus the rules and their metadata00:55
ekcsOk. glad we’re having this discussion because we have like 3-4 different understanding of how it’s done.00:56
ekcsthinrichs: right.00:56
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ekcsgreat start. let’s continue in gerrit =)00:56
ekcslast 4 minutes anything else to talk about?00:56
ekcs#topic open discussion00:56
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ekcsok then =)00:59
ekcsMore next week?01:00
ekcsbye all.01:00
thinrichsBye01:00
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ekcs#endmeeting01:00
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zhenguo#startmeeting mogan02:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 20 02:01:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.02:01
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liushengo/02:01
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zhenguoliusheng, Xinran_, zhangyang: o/02:02
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zhangyango/02:02
Xinran_o/02:03
zhenguoseems others will be late02:03
zhenguoas always, the agenda:02:03
zhenguo#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting02:03
zhenguolet's jump in02:04
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zhenguo#topic announcements and reminders02:04
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zhenguoThe tempest gate is still broken :(02:04
zhenguosorry for the inconvenience02:04
liushengany ironic guy tring to fix that ?02:05
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zhenguoliusheng: seems some gates turns to green, but still some fails02:05
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liushengzhenguo: :(02:06
zhenguoliusheng: I will try to look into it today02:06
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zhenguoanother thing is we have replaced /types with /flavors in our URI.02:07
zhenguomaybe also need to change /instances to /servers.02:07
liushengzhenguo: we can try to skip the tempest test if we are urgent to merge something02:08
liushengzhenguo: that is cool02:08
zhenguoliusheng: hah, let's try to fix it instead make it non-voting :D02:08
liushengzhenguo: lol02:08
zhenguoMogan UI is comming, I will try to add the instances panel by this week02:09
zhenguomaybe we need a separated panel group like Compute02:09
zhenguoI would like to call it Bare Metal Compute02:09
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liushengzhenguo: awesome!02:10
zhenguowith some panels like Compute, overview, instances, images, keypairs02:10
liushengzhenguo: you are horizon expert!02:10
zhenguoliusheng: ol02:10
zhenguolol02:10
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zhenguobut not sure if it's a good idea to totally separated from Compute02:11
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zhenguolet's try to review the dashboard when it's ready02:11
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zhenguoas we don't have any moganclient released, I added the python-moganclient repo to mogan-ui test requirements02:12
zhenguoand a seperated devstack plugin like other horizon plugins02:13
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liushengzhenguo: maybe we can release moganclient in pypi02:13
zhenguoliusheng: yes, but maybe it's better to wait for the new flavor, wdyt?02:14
liushengzhenguo: yes, sure02:14
shaohe_fengzhenguo: liusheng: I'm here02:14
shaohe_fengmorning all02:14
zhenguoliusheng: as there's a way to add non released client to requirements, it's not that urgent :D02:14
liushengzhenguo: yes, I know that02:15
zhenguoshaohe_feng: o/02:15
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zhenguoshaohe_feng: hi, do you have anything want to talk in this topic :D02:17
shaohe_fengzhenguo: Let me go through the msg02:17
shaohe_fengzhenguo: what's change,  about client?02:18
zhenguoshaohe_feng: not client, we talk about whether we need to release the client02:19
zhenguoshaohe_feng: does the OSIC affect you Intel guys :P02:19
shaohe_fengzhenguo: waiting for msg :)02:20
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zhenguoshaohe_feng: hah02:20
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shaohe_fengzhenguo: we defer the client release just for the new flavor?02:21
zhenguoshaohe_feng: not only02:21
zhenguoas we still have many things to refactor maybe02:21
zhenguoit's not stable02:21
zhenguoand we don't have a strong requirement to release the client02:21
shaohe_fengzhenguo: how many works for the client?02:22
liushengthe releasing is also easy02:22
zhenguoshaohe_feng: not much works, but we need to increase the client version number02:22
zhenguoliusheng: sure02:23
shaohe_fengzhenguo: OK. So it it not a emergency thing.02:23
zhenguoyes, I think so02:23
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zhenguook, if there's no other things, let's move on02:24
shaohe_fengzhenguo: OK. maybe we can focus on the high priority02:24
zhenguoyes02:24
zhenguo#topic task tracking02:24
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zhenguo#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mogan-task02:24
* zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review02:24
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zhenguofor the new flavors, I would like to  add a POC patch first02:26
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zhenguoand I find we have a instance type projects table, but no access control exposed to users, really weired, hah02:28
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shaohe_fengzhenguo: who will improve it?02:29
liushengzhenguo: I found that long ago02:29
liushengzhenguo: and seems I have asked some guy02:29
liushengzhenguo: lol02:30
zhenguohah, we can add  that support first02:30
zhenguoif there's no one want to take it, I will :D02:31
liushengzhenguo: do we need a separated instance type project table ?02:31
zhenguothe access control URI may look like /flavors/flavor_uuid/access, wdyt?02:31
liushengzhenguo: or just add a column in instance_type ?02:32
zhenguoliusheng: maybe it's better to be separated, for indexing02:32
liushengzhenguo: will check it more when reviewing :D02:33
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zhenguoliusheng: and I'm thinking to make cpus, memory, disks, nics all inseperated tables from flavors02:33
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zhenguothe keypairs patch is blocked by the gate02:34
liushengzhenguo: that may cause many tables association02:35
liushengzhenguo: yes02:35
zhenguoliusheng: yes, but not sure the advantages and disadvantages02:35
liushengzhenguo: but you can download the mogan patch and client patch to test the keypars commands :D02:35
zhenguoliusheng: do you know why nova make all things separated from instances02:35
zhenguoliusheng: sure, thanks for the big patch!02:36
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liushengzhenguo: np02:36
liushengzhenguo: not all things in Nova are separated from instances I think, may need to dig more.02:36
zhenguoliusheng: yes, let's look into it02:37
zhenguoafter the keypair patch landed, I will add it to configdrive02:37
shaohe_fengzhenguo: Good. Keypair is too important to users.02:38
liushengzhenguo: that will be convenient for functionalities testing02:38
shaohe_fengliusheng: Good job.02:39
zhenguobut users may need to import nova keypairs to mogan, it's somewhat convoluted02:40
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zhenguobut we can't use nova keypairs directly :(02:41
liushenghah, the keypair-create api provide two functionalities, 1. create a new keypair; 2. import an existing keypair02:41
liushengzhenguo: may that can help02:42
shaohe_fengzhenguo: do you means user will deploy both nova and mogan?02:42
shaohe_fengliusheng: import the existing keypair from nova?02:42
zhenguoliusheng: yes, they can import the keypairs for vm to mogan02:42
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zhenguoshaohe_feng: yes, nova for vms and mogan for bms, in a hybrid env02:43
liushengshaohe_feng: yes, the mogan db or Nova db only record the public key, and can be query02:43
shaohe_fengthen I think maybe keypairs put in nova DB is a not a good idea.02:43
shaohe_fengmyabe another project should take care keypairs.02:43
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zhenguoyes, but we can't rely on nova keypairs API, as Mogan env is not with Nova always02:45
liushengshaohe_feng, zhenguo yes, we should consider the standalone scenario of mogan deployment02:45
zhenguoyes02:45
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zhenguook, instance fault patch seems ready02:46
shaohe_fengzhenguo: yes.02:46
zhenguoshaohe_feng: do you know why luyao implement the hasattr built-in function ?02:46
shaohe_fengzhenguo: yes.02:47
shaohe_fengzhenguo: the build_in method hasattr for python3 has different action with python202:47
shaohe_fengzhenguo: it has side-effect02:47
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zhenguoshaohe_feng: oh,02:48
zhenguodo other projects implement it again?02:48
shaohe_fengzhenguo: it try to load the "fault" attr, if can not load, py3 throw a exception.02:49
zhenguosorry, I don't get time to look through the whole patch02:49
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shaohe_fengzhenguo: but python2 just pass it, and return false.02:49
zhenguoshaohe_feng: you mean hasattr will raise exception?02:49
shaohe_fengzhenguo: yes. just for py302:49
zhenguoshaohe_feng: oh, tha't odd02:49
shaohe_fengzhenguo: we can check other project.02:50
zhenguoshaohe_feng: ok, thanks02:50
shaohe_fengzhenguo: oh, maybe we can improve the version object lib.02:50
shaohe_fengzhenguo: luyao's way can work around.02:50
liushengshaohe_feng: really, I just tested in py3, it return a False02:50
zhenguoliusheng: you mean no exception?02:51
liushengzhenguo: yes02:51
liushengPython 3.5.2 (default, Nov 17 2016, 17:05:23)02:51
shaohe_fengliusheng: zhenguo: we can check the py3 doc for hasattr02:51
liusheng[GCC 5.4.0 20160609] on linux02:51
liushengType "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.02:51
liusheng>>> class test(object): pass02:51
liusheng...02:51
liusheng>>> a=test()02:51
liusheng>>> hasattr(a, 'aa')02:51
shaohe_fengliusheng: yes, this example can work.02:52
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zhenguook, we can check after the meeting02:52
zhenguoseems no much time left02:52
zhenguozhangyang: hi, any update for cloudboot driver?02:53
zhenguoXinran_: how's the attach/detach interfaces work?02:53
shaohe_fengliusheng: but fault field it use also python reflect to add it. some different with your test.02:53
liushengshaohe_feng: oh, got it.02:54
zhangyangzhenguo: going to have a meeting with cloudboot guys today, and start coding next week. really slow :(02:54
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zhenguozhangyang: hah,02:54
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zhenguozhangyang: we can have a deep discussion during the bug smash.02:55
zhangyangzhenguo: yeah, really expect that.02:55
zhenguozhangyang: :D02:55
zhenguoliusheng: maybe you can update the eptherpad to move console task to Done :D02:56
Xinran_I plan to apply these two fonctions in the class InstanceNetworksController. Is it possible ?02:56
zhenguoXinRan_: sure02:57
liushengzhenguo: oh, ok02:57
zhenguoXinran_: maybe networks/interfaces ?02:57
zhenguook, we can discuss this more after the meeting02:59
zhenguoanything else here?02:59
shaohe_fengno02:59
zhenguook02:59
zhenguo#topic open discussion03:00
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zhenguowho's got a thing:)03:00
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zhenguook, It's almost time, thanks everyone for joining the meeting!03:00
zhenguo#endmeeting03:01
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ianychoiAnyone for I18n meeting today?07:02
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tonook I am coming07:02
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jpichGood morning07:03
ianychoitono, hi! jpich: hello :)07:03
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tonogood afternoon from Jakarta07:03
tonoHello jpich07:04
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jpichHi tono :) Good morning from Ireland07:04
ianychoi#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting07:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 20 07:04:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'07:04
ianychoi#topic user survey translation support07:05
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ianychoiDuring the 1st PTG, I met Lauren and after coming to my country, I started to talk with Heidy for user survey translation07:06
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tonoI have done the survey07:07
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ianychoitono, yep but it was in English07:07
ianychois/Heidy/Heidi07:07
tonoThey send me in bahasa Indonesia07:08
ianychoi#link https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/survey-2017/landing?BackURL=/user-survey/survey-2017/07:08
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ianychoitono, really? the link is in English but you saw questions in Indonesian?07:08
tonoYep07:09
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ianychoiThat looks so nice :) At least, I saw questions in Korean07:10
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ianychoiOn early March, Heidi organized a meeting with me and Jimmy - www.openstack.org developer07:10
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ianychoiAt that time, we thought that translating user survey questions in Zanata would be so nice07:11
tonoI am still browsing the user survey07:11
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ianychoiAnd a few hours ago, I have just seen that smarcet - also a developer on www.openstack.org and also openstackid authentication started work to create a pot file for user survey07:12
ianychoi#link https://raw.githubusercontent.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org/feature/survey_translation/gettext/pot/survey.pot07:12
ianychoiI have heard that the pot file is not currently uploaded into Zanata but hope that it will be solved soon and then I think Zanata will support translation for user survey07:13
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tonothe user survey does not work very well in my PC07:13
ianychoitono, how the user survey did not work well? Not it does not work because the survey period was already finished07:14
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ianychois/Not/Now07:14
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ianychoijpich, I have a question. How did you extract pot files from json files? Using some sort of Python libraries?07:17
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tonoI mean the link of the user survey not working very well, the link from yours07:18
jpichianychoi: It's a nodejs library (tripleo-ui runs on nodejs) of some sort, called json2pot. It's made to work specifically with the format used by react-intl though07:18
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ianychoijpich, aha.. I see thanks :) I am not sure how OpenStackWeb team created the pot file but I was curious because tripleo-ui and openstackweb are both in web sides07:20
ianychoitono, I see. It does not work well since the survey was finished07:20
jpich:)07:20
ianychoiOkay..07:20
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ianychoi#topic Zanata survey07:21
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ianychoi#link https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeqxia866yOv1GZEmCqCenzT31RO6gzndJ1w7QetRr6NvGvfQ/viewform?usp=sf_link07:21
ianychoiPlease do this survey - the survey was initiated from Zanata development team.07:21
ianychoiI will distribute it to openstack and openstack-dev mailing lists07:22
ianychoi#action ianychoi will distribute Zanata survey questionnaires to openstack and openstack-dev mailing lists07:22
ianychoiI hope that our feedback will improve Zanata better :)07:23
tonoI had filled the survey, and submitted07:23
ianychoitono, wow good :)07:23
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ianychoi#topic Summit presentations07:25
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ianychoiSince Summit presentations are not here, I would like to skip this topic.07:26
tonook07:26
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ianychoi#topic Review on the last meeting items07:26
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ianychoi#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-13-13.07.html07:27
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ianychoiThis is the last meeting minute and I have mentioned Stackalytics, python 3 support, and tagging for i18n07:27
ianychoiFor Stackalytics, I asked my colleague in Korea to see Stackalytics source codes.07:28
ianychoiHe is looking Stackalytics to support to see statistics by languages.07:28
ianychoiBy the way, during Forum, one interesting topic has been rised: "Should we kill Stackalytics ?" by ttx07:29
tonowhat is the issue in those topics ?07:29
ianychoi#link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/7807:29
ianychoi#link http://stackalytics.com/?metric=translations&language=indonesian07:30
ianychoitono, the link should list Indonesian translators but you now see all translators07:30
tonoOther Indonesians do not actively translate07:31
ianychoitono, yep but that would be another issue07:32
ianychoiFor python 3 support, AFAIK amotoki started his working. Let's more wait for such support during Pike cycle07:33
amotokiit seems I was pinged. what?07:34
tonostackalytics do not connect very well to other document menu07:34
ianychoiamotoki, just informational : you are doing Python 3 support in I18n repository07:34
amotokiianychoi: actually it was blocked by 'importable python path'07:34
ianychoitono, would you identify which translation projects are not listed?07:34
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amotokii have no idea on python3 testing at now. without python 3 test, the blueprint is already completed. that's all07:35
tonostill trying to find them07:35
ianychoiamotoki, oh really? Sorry I have not tracked with such thing. Okay.. You mean that Python 3 gate job with Jenkins for i18n repository is needed?07:36
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ianychoitono, yep if you find them later, please share to me or i18n mailing list07:37
amotokiianychoi: without testing, how can we prevent regressions?07:37
amotokiwe support python3 NOW, but I am not sure a new change is compatible with py3.07:37
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tonook, I got problem on my internet connection07:38
ianychoiamotoki, agreed. So currently, my understanding is that i18n repository is needed to support to add Python 3 testing jobs - 1) in tox.ini and 2) adding Jenkins gate job07:39
ianychoiAnd source codes are now compatible with Python 3.07:39
amotokiianychoi: but we need to import python modules to be tested into unit test codes07:40
ianychoiamotoki, aha.... unit test codes... I see. Thanks - much clearer now07:40
amotokiI proposed to move the code to importable paths but IIRC it was blocked by a discussion on i18n-tool? repo07:41
amotokiand I abandoned my patch to keep my review list clean07:41
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ianychoiamotoki, yep the things are related with i18n-tools. Now I think that adding more repositories is not a good idea. I will make it clearer soon.07:43
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ianychoiamotoki, thanks. I might have missed some details.07:44
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amotokino problem. I am okay with either way07:44
ianychoiamotoki, I see :)07:44
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ianychoiAnd.. for i18n tagging (in openstack/governance to see which projects are managed with translations), I need to propose such tag in openstack/governance repository.07:45
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ianychoiRecently, Docs team's "docs:follows-policy" tag has been merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445536/07:46
ianychoiI will propose i18n tagging similar with the details in that link07:46
ianychoi#topic open discussions07:46
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jpichGreat :)07:46
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ianychoijpich, my English prevents me speeding up such work although we already discussed around two months ago (Pike PTG) :(07:47
jpichNo problems, these things take time07:47
ianychoiBut now the link is a good reference how to propose a tag07:47
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ianychoiAny issues, topics, or questions on today meeting?07:48
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ianychoiAnd.. personally, I have got a new job.07:50
jpichCongratulations!07:50
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ianychoijpich, thanks you :)07:50
tonoFor Indonesia translation, doc.oprnstack.org does not link very well to other document menu07:51
ianychoiSo I need to travel to Oslo next week to more discuss my responsibility in my new job07:51
ianychoiAfter then, I will go to Boston Summit and come back to Korea07:51
jpichOslo!! Busy times07:52
ianychoiIt will be a long trip - total 3 weeks and I might not run IRC meetings for next 3 weeks.07:52
ianychoiFor the next IRC meeting, I will ask other meeting chairs to run the IRC meeting07:53
ianychoijpich, yep it would be much nearer to your country than Korea :)07:53
jpichYes!! Only one timezone apart I think (...or maybe two??!)07:53
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ianychoitono, which link? Please specify documents then I18n people can help your problems07:53
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ianychoitono, you better know Indonesian document status but i18n people from other countries have difficulty in seeing Indonesian documents. If you have such problems, please specify the document and say that you want to link such documents to docs.o.o. Then other i18n people will help you :)07:55
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ianychoijpich, I think so!07:55
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ianychoitono, your Internet connections seems not good today but fine :)07:56
tonoyep,07:56
ianychoitono, you better know Indonesian document status but i18n people from other countries have difficulty in seeing Indonesian documents. If you have such problems, please specify the document and say that you want to link such documents to docs.o.o. Then other i18n people will help you :)07:56
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ianychoi(copying and pasting)07:56
tonoFor Indonesia translation, doc.openstack.org does not link very well to other document menu07:57
ianychoitono, you want to link more documents in docs.openstack.org/id ?07:57
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ianychoitono, or Indonesian people usually see docs.openstack.org not docs.openstack.org/id ?07:58
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ianychoiI originally understood the former07:58
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tonoOK, I will share the problems in i18n07:58
ianychoitono, thanks a lot :)07:59
tonook07:59
ianychoiThank you for participating in today irc meeting - tono, jpich and amotoki07:59
tonoBy07:59
ianychoi#endmeeting08:00
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jpichThanks ianychoi :)08:00
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gmann#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 20 09:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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gmannwho all here topday09:00
jordanPo/09:00
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chandankumar\o09:01
gmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_April_20th_2017_.280900_UTC.2909:01
gmann^^ today agenda09:01
gmann#topic Previous Meeting Action review09:01
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gmannseems like no open action item from last meeting09:01
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gmann#topic The Forum, Boston09:01
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gmannwe have 1 sessions approved09:02
gmann#link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/openid/login/?next=/cfp/details/11109:02
andreafgmann: yeah I'm curious to see how that one turns out09:03
gmannandreaf that was decided by TC?09:03
jordanPI've just read the proposal, lgtm09:03
andreafthere was a sessions review committee09:03
jordanPI know Tempest is used in production at several places09:03
gmannother seems rejected #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/openid/login/?next=/cfp/details/112  http://forumtopics.openstack.org/openid/login/?next=/cfp/details/11309:03
andreafI don't think it was the TC09:03
gmannohk09:03
gmannandreaf: whats the plan for that?09:04
andreaffor the rejected ones?09:04
gmannno approved one09:04
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gmannandreaf:  that is 40 min or 15 one?09:05
* gmann still get confused with Forum and onboard sessions09:05
andreafI think it's a 40min one09:05
gmannok09:05
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chandankumargmann: andreaf what about hosting a hangout session or recorded session for the rejected forum topics after the summit and put it on youtube. just a thought09:06
andreafI plan to leave it really open ended - if no-one has feedback we can use it to answer questions09:06
gmannandreaf: i see, any presentation etc from our side?09:07
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andreafgmann: I think this is more like a design session in the old summit - I will setup an etherpard with some details about our projects but that's about it09:08
gmannchandankumar: we can see how much space/time we have in summit but not sure about recording09:08
gmannandreaf: i see. cool09:08
andreafchandankumar: heh I was thinking about starting in the ML09:08
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andreafchandankumar: if there is enough interest we can setup some kind of meeting, IRC or hangout or whatever works best09:08
chandankumarandreaf: that will be good.09:09
gmann#action andreaf to setup etherpad for Forum session09:09
gmannandreaf: ^^09:09
andreafchandankumar: the main idea behind this cross-session is to have interactive discussion with folks so a recorded session might not be that effective09:09
gmannOnboarding session: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-onboarding09:09
chandankumarandreaf: then ML would be a better idea09:09
andreafchandankumar: if there is enough to discuss when we get to the next PTG we will re-submit them there09:10
chandankumar+109:10
gmannfeel free to put ideas on Onboarding etherpad09:10
gmannandreaf: chandankumar yea. that will be nice09:10
gmanni am hoping to have at least half a day for code sprint in summit or at least QA area with feature discussions09:11
gmannincluding new developers09:11
andreafgmann: heh yeah I think there will be some space for unconference type of meetings09:11
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gmannyea.09:12
gmanni have my presentation on Monday so free for next 3 days :)09:12
gmanntill my boss doe not bother me :)09:13
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gmann#topic Gate Stability - status update09:13
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gmannsomething goes up in check queue09:13
gmann#link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw09:13
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gmannthis one #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#135557309:14
gmannbut i did not get chance to look into detail09:14
gmannandreaf: jordanP any updates from your side09:14
jordanPfirst I think we can say that most of the libvirt issues are gone09:14
jordanPthanks to the usage of UCA packages09:14
jordanPso the situation is much much better now09:14
gmann\o/09:14
andreaf\o/09:15
chandankumaryay!!09:15
gmannceph job  is failing due to pre merge of infra patch09:15
gmanni am reverting that #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458349/09:15
gmannin case anyone curious about failure.09:15
gmanni replied on ML also09:16
jordanPwe also have a couple of periodic job with 100% failure, but it's not a big deal to fix them09:16
gmannyea 'all' job was broken since long and nobody noticed09:16
gmannany suggestion to track those? track status in weekly meeting?09:17
jordanPperiodic jobs are not top priority, not sure it's worth to talk about them in meetings09:17
jordanPjust have a look at them from time to time09:17
gmannat least we will have eyes on periodic job status09:17
jordanPyeah09:17
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gmannmay be just status not any further discussion which take time in meeting09:18
jordanPok09:19
gmannmay be under gate stability we can check. and in agenda we can have link to have a glance09:19
gmann#topic Specs Reviews09:19
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andreafjordanP, gmann: we might want to have something like a periodic job liason or a rotation like for bug triage - I'll think about it09:19
gmannandreaf: how about merging that in bug triage09:19
andreafgmann: yeah we could do that09:19
gmannand same people can provide status instead of tracking separately09:19
gmannok09:20
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andreafgmann: ok can you add that on to the bug etherpad?09:20
gmannsure09:20
gmann#action gmann to add periodic job status tracking on bug triage etherpad09:20
gmannon specs09:21
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z09:21
* andreaf forgot the power adapater and will run out of battery at some point...09:21
gmannwe have HA testing spec updated from samP09:21
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/09:21
gmanni doubt i can have look into before summit09:21
gmannif anyone else have time feel free to provide feedaback09:22
gmannfeedback09:22
andreafok will do I didn't manage this time09:22
gmannandreaf: thanks09:23
gmannanything else on specs?09:23
andreafbtw, the upgrade testing tools spec was abandoned - I assume the entire osic crue was affected by Intel pulling the plug on osic09:23
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449295/09:23
andreafI didn't manage to talk to castulo yet though09:23
gmannandreaf: yea, thats was not good for upstream09:23
gmannOSIC folks doing great contribution on nova side too09:24
gmann#topic Tempest09:25
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gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open09:25
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gmannopen review ^^09:25
gmann1 thing we should merge first is cinder API version things09:26
gmanni saw 1 patches doing cinder v3 tests and adding duplicate client for v3 also09:26
gmanni hope we will go with non version client but its not clear that based on catalog_type is best approach09:27
gmannoomichi might have something thinking about those09:27
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andreafgmann: ok I need to check back on those09:29
gmannmainly we need to merge the v2 and v3 clients in single place and continue on v3 testing without adding duplicate client for v309:29
andreafideally the catalog should be unversioned and a version list can be retrieved and cached or so (but it must be project independent)09:29
gmannandreaf: yes,09:29
andreafI'm not quite sure what the status is on the catalog work09:29
gmanncurrently those are version ed and devstack register diff endpoints for v2 and v3 under different catalog_type09:30
andreafyeah in devstack - that is not very nice09:30
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andreaffrom a Tempest side we still replace the version in the URL - an alternative could be to pull the list of versions and cache it somewhere to avoid the extra round trip every time09:31
gmann#link https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/cinder#L383-L39809:31
andreafbut for now I think rewriting the version in the URL is still the best bet09:31
andreafI haven't heard of anyone having issues with that09:31
gmannandreaf: and version things will be fetched from test case or clients?09:32
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gmannandreaf: if from client then we have to have separate client classes with version overridden  which i do not like actually09:32
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andreafgmann: if we wanted to avoid rewriting the version in the URL we could have a singleton which fetches the versioned URLs the first time09:33
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gmannlike this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442691/18/tempest/lib/services/volume/v3/volumes_client.py09:33
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gmannandreaf: you mean depends on which version people/job want to run tests can be loaded on url at starting ?09:34
andreafgmann: yeah basically we can continue to assume that the URL contains v2 or v3 and just append that to the base URL like we do today09:34
gmannandreaf: but that need dummy client class for each version like - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442691/18/tempest/lib/services/volume/v3/volumes_client.py09:35
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andreafgmann: I"m just talking about how we obtain the version specific endpoint09:36
gmannok.09:36
gmannanyways let's discuss that separately. we know the where the prob is and we can find best solution09:36
andreafgmann: the proper way would be to get it from the catalog - but I think it's fine if we continue to just build it by hand like today09:36
andreafgmann: yeah let's move on09:36
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gmannyea09:37
gmannnext is Bug Triage:09:37
gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage09:37
gmannit was mkopec turn this week09:37
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martinkopecyes, I've confirmed two bugs09:37
martinkopecand created a report in the etherpad09:37
gmannthanks.09:37
gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report09:37
gmannmartinkopec: anything urgent we need to check on any bug, like critical one etc09:38
andreafwow 8 high importance and 145 open!09:38
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martinkopecgmann, I think it would be good to finish some bugs09:39
andreafmartinkopec: thank you for doing the bug triage! :)09:39
martinkopecbecause the number is quite huge09:39
andreafmartinkopec: +109:39
martinkopec*the number of open bugs09:39
gmannmartinkopec: yea. thanks a lot.09:39
gmannopen bugs we should kill09:39
andreafmartinkopec: did you look in new bugs only or old ones as well?09:40
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martinkopecandreaf, I looked on new bugs mainly09:40
andreafmartinkopec: ok09:40
gmannnext turn is oomichi09:41
andreafwe might want to do a bug smash at some point because the back log is growing too much now09:41
gmann+109:41
andreafand I'm really sure the data is valid anymore - e.g. how can we have 8 high importance issue which are not addressed?09:41
gmann#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=High&field.status=New&field.status=Incomplete&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress&field.status=Fix+Committed09:42
gmann^^ high importance one09:42
gmannfew of them are very old09:42
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andreaffor instance, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1609156, I forgot to mark it as resolved :P09:43
openstackLaunchpad bug 1609156 in tempest "Test accounts periodic job is broken" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Andrea Frittoli (andrea-frittoli)09:43
gmannheh. \o/ 1 less now :)09:43
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gmannsome are pending on patches side like #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392464/09:44
gmannlet's move next09:44
gmann#topic patrole09:44
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gmannpatrole team need suggestion on patrole release model09:45
gmannthere is ML #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115624.html09:45
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andreafis anyone around from Patrole?09:45
andreafgmann: yes thanks for replying to that09:45
gmanni think they09:45
gmannare online on 17utc09:46
gmannIMO it should be brachless and release same way as Temepst09:46
andreafgmann: I guess patrole should run the release job eventually09:46
gmannbut more feedback suggestion are welcome09:46
gmann+109:46
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andreafgmann: yeah branchless it to ensure consistency across releases which applies to policy testing as well09:47
gmannyea.09:47
andreafgmann: one thing I'm really worried about patrole though is that there is all done by folks working from the same company09:47
andreafgmann: and the rest of us really as little involvement / insight into it09:48
gmannonly burden might be feature flag but policy things change very rarely in those term. at least i can tell from nova perspective09:48
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gmannandreaf: yea thats true09:48
andreafgmann: we need to change that before we start investing more in Patrole I think09:48
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andreafbut that's just my feeling09:48
gmannandreaf: i occasionally review there but we should start putting review bandwidth there09:49
andreafwell I would like for the Patrole folks to actively seek for new non-at&t contributors :)09:49
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andreafI will raise the point at the next meeting09:49
andreafhonestly I won't have much bw to review patrole code myself09:49
gmanntrue, contributor from different companies are key in upstream09:50
gmann10 min left let's move next09:50
gmann#topic DevStack09:50
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andreafjordanP patch about swift services was merged :)09:51
jordanPyeah, that's good09:51
gmannnice.09:51
andreafjordanP: also sdague did a lot of work around uswgi09:51
gmannyea09:51
jordanPI think we are back to a normal memory consumption, but we should always be aware of it09:51
jordanPI am not sure what the impact of uwsgi will be09:51
jordanPin terms of memory09:52
jordanPalso, given that I feel we should stick to serial scenarios run and concurrency = 2 for api, we also should be very aware of the overall run time of our jobs09:52
jordanP1h20 is a lot already. And it's super hard to delete tests, so when new tests are added, we should make super sure it's not a duplicate test09:53
gmannyes, +1 for serial on scenario09:53
andreafjordanP: yeah well it depends a lot on the test node, it can be below 1h in the best case09:54
andreafbut I agree 1h 20' is a lot09:54
jordanPfor instanc https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458092/, it's all over 1hour09:54
andreafjordanP: if we manage to make gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-multinode-ubuntu-xenial-nv voting we could move all scenario tests there09:54
jordanP1h05 is the fastest job09:55
jordanPyeah09:55
andreafjordanP: but I'm not sure having two jobs is really ideal either09:55
jordanPbut that multinode job is already slow, so not sure it will help09:55
jordanPno, we have already too many jobs :)09:56
gmannwe should merge both09:56
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gmannwill it be too slow?09:56
andreafgmann: well we just separated them I don't think we should merge them back09:56
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gmannnot curerent scenario one. i mean multinode and scenario multinode09:57
andreafgmann, jordanP: if we increased concurrency to two in gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario-multinode-ubuntu-xenial-nv, or even better if we removed some unnecessary scenario tests, the job would be much faster09:57
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gmannif there is coverage somewhere else then we can remove otherwise we should not i think09:57
jordanPandreaf, +1. We should skip some scenarios09:58
gmannwe should get rid of slow API tests if somehow we can09:58
gmann2 min left09:58
gmannlet's move09:58
jordanPgmann, it's hard, slow api tests make sense,09:58
gmanni will skip grenade and o-h09:58
jordanPwe can merge some API tests to not pay the setup cost twice09:58
jordanPbut this as some side effects09:58
jordanP*has09:58
gmannjordanP: humm09:58
gmann#topic Destructive Testing09:59
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gmannwe already talked about it09:59
gmann@topic open discussion09:59
andreafjordanP: perhaps we should have a review of our jobs with some proposals and discuss about it in the next meeting09:59
gmannanything on open09:59
andreafjordanP: can you setup an etherpad for that?09:59
gmann#topic open discussion09:59
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jordanPandreaf, yes !09:59
jordanPwill do09:59
andreafgmann: Tempest 16.0.0 is out10:00
gmannjordanP: thanks10:00
andreafjordanP: thanks10:00
gmann#endmeeting10:00
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andreafgmann: we use the release repo now10:00
gmannandreaf: sorry let's jump to QA10:00
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 20 14:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
efried\*14:00
lyarwood\o14:00
edleafe\o14:00
jaypipesyo.14:00
johnthetubaguyo/14:01
cdent\o/14:01
alex_xuo/14:01
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takashino/14:01
mriedemalright let's get started14:01
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mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting14:01
mriedem#topic release news14:01
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mriedem#link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule14:01
dansmitho/14:02
mriedem#info Blueprints: 69 targeted, 63 approved, 3 completed14:02
jaypipesno news is good news with gary gnu.14:02
mriedem#link pike-1 recap and pike-2 focus: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115700.html14:02
mriedemquestions about release things?14:02
* bauzas waves a bit late14:02
mdbootho/14:02
johnthetubaguyI like the checkpoint email, no real questions from me14:02
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: ++14:02
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efried+114:03
mriedem#topic bugs14:03
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mriedemno critical bugs in LP14:03
mriedemnew untriaged numbers have gone down, thanks in large part to efried going through those last week14:03
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mriedemgate status is ok'ish14:04
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mriedemthere have been some nova py35 unit test failures,14:04
mriedemmelwitt has a fix for one14:04
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/458161/14:04
mriedemsomeone should +W that14:04
dansmithoh I was going to ask14:04
dansmithI'll look14:04
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mriedemthe other is some odd python stack dump / infinite recursion problem with oslo.confg14:04
mriedem*config14:04
mriedemi don't have a bug for that yet14:05
sfinucanmriedem: example?14:05
mriedemnot handy14:05
sfinucan(y)14:05
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mriedemcheck the irc nova logs from yesterday where i'm talking to gcb14:05
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* sfinucan will take a look at that later14:05
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mriedemthird party ci doesn't have much news, except jaypipes (and others) would like to know who's running the intel nfv 3rd party ci now that wznoinsk is gone14:06
efriedSomewhere around here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2017-04-19.log.html#t2017-04-19T14:44:1814:06
mriedemi'll try to follow up with sean mooney about the intel ci14:06
sfinucanmriedem: Last I heard, it was another Intel team in...Poland14:07
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mriedemok14:07
jaypipessfinucan: no, it's the Irish team still I think.14:07
mriedemi care less about ownership,14:07
mriedemand more about what the status is14:07
jaypipessfinucan: sean was getting info on it for me.14:07
johnthetubaguygood to have a contact when it breaks14:07
jaypipesya14:07
mriedemyeah, true14:07
mriedemfinal thing for bugs14:07
* johnthetubaguy notes the lack of "if"14:08
mriedem#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115704.html Launchpad bugs cleaning day on Tuesday 4/2514:08
mriedemthis is not the bug smash14:08
mriedemthis is going through old bugs in LP14:08
mriedemand cleaning house14:08
mriedemwe did this almost exactly a year ago14:08
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mriedemso mark your calendars14:08
mriedemfor fun14:08
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mriedemi'll bring donuts14:09
mriedem#topic reminders14:09
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mriedem#link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking14:09
mriedem#link Forum planning: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston201714:09
edleafemmmmm... donuts14:09
mriedem#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming Forum discussion planning for nova (add your name if you are going)14:09
mriedem#info Forum sessions: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=forum14:09
mriedem^ is the actual for real schedule14:09
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efriedmriedem I had a question there.14:10
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mriedemi'd encourage everyone to go through and start adding to their schedule14:10
johnthetubaguyI wanted to advertise the VM & baremetal sessions14:10
mriedemit's like 2-3 sessions to choose from for any given time slot14:10
efriedOther than sessions listed on the schedule, are there any general nova team meetups happening?14:10
mriedemefried: nope, unless impromptu14:10
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johnthetubaguyhoping to have groups of projects, including ourselves getting feedback from operators and API users14:10
efriedk, so the BOS-Nova-brainstorming etherpad topics will be covered... when?  How?14:10
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mriedemefried: honestly i haven't looked at the schedule from a high level to see if there are any big blocks of time where we won't be in scheduled sessions14:11
mriedemefried: some of it is in existing sessions14:11
mriedemwhen i filled out my M-Th schedule though i think there was only 1 slot where i didn't plan on going to anything14:11
efriedk, prolly that etherpad needs to be gone through and links to those sessions added where available.14:11
mriedemsure14:11
johnthetubaguy#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18750/operating-the-vm-and-baremetal-platform-1214:11
mriedem#action mriedem to update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming with actual session links14:12
johnthetubaguyjust advertising that one, lots of nova things in there, I hope14:12
mriedemthe vm/bm ones are on my schedule14:12
* mriedem waits for toilet joke14:12
mriedemanything else for the forum?14:13
mriedem#topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker14:13
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mriedemstable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z14:13
mriedem#help Need these stable/ocata backports merged for a regression fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata+topic:bug/168269314:13
mriedemlyarwood already +2'ed those14:13
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mriedemso need another stable core to take a look, dansmith / johnthetubaguy / bauzas14:13
* johnthetubaguy nods14:14
bauzason it14:14
mriedemstable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z14:14
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mriedemnot a ton there, but same regression fix14:14
mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:14
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mriedemdansmith: cells v214:14
dansmithwe had a meeting14:14
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mriedemwhich i guess i missed...14:15
mriedemoops14:15
dansmithdiscussed the stuff that is open, like the quotas set14:15
dansmithassigned all reviews to mriedem14:15
dansmiththat was pretty much it14:15
mriedemok14:15
mriedemedleafe: scheduler14:15
edleafeSpent nearly the entire meeting discussing the spec for claiming in the scheduler.14:15
edleafeVery productive discussion; led to better understanding of the overall process.14:15
edleafeNot much time for anything else :)14:15
edleafeEOM14:15
jaypipesassigned all work to mriedem. EOM.14:15
jaypipesjob done.14:15
edleafejaypipes: :)14:16
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mriedemfor those interested, the current snag is being discussed in the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437424/5/specs/pike/approved/placement-claims.rst14:16
* alex_xu just added another idea afernoon14:16
mriedemtdurakov: live migration?14:16
cdent"current snag" sounds scary14:16
mriedemthere have been a few snags14:17
mriedemthis is the most recent14:17
mriedemthere is a reason we haven't done claims in the scheduler before...14:17
mriedemalex_xu: api subteam meeting highlights?14:17
alex_xuTalk about Johnthetubaguy and sdague works with keystone team on the new design of policy stuff14:17
alex_xuTalk about Johnthetubaguy and sdague works with keystone team on the new design of policy stuff14:18
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alex_xucdent brings the patches for nova-api under wsgi up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457283/  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457715/14:18
alex_xusorry, copy failed14:18
alex_xuthat is all14:18
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mriedemok thanks14:18
mriedemwe have a few api deprecation changes up for review too, so making progress early on those14:18
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alex_xuhttps://review.openstack.org/457181 and https://review.openstack.org/45650414:19
mriedemi should probably also bring up the list migrations API discussion from the ML in open discussion too...14:19
mriedemalex_xu: also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457008/ is ready14:19
alex_xumriedem: cool14:20
mriedemmoving on14:20
mriedemgibi: notifications meeting highlights?14:20
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mriedemmaybe he's not here - it was a productive meeting,14:20
mriedemwe settled on what to do about instance tags in notification payloads14:20
mriedemand we're just going to put them in the instance.update payload for now14:20
mriedemand the instance.create payload when Kevin_Zheng adds support to tag an instance at create time14:21
mriedemgibi is going to take over putting bdms into the payload (needed for searchlight)14:21
mriedemwe sorted out what to do with soft_delete notifications in the local delete case in the api14:21
mriedemwith osic being done, we're going to have a slump in the versioned notification work14:22
mriedemso that's an opportunity for people looking for something to work on14:22
mriedemefried: powervm?14:22
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efriedNo change since last week.  https://review.openstack.org/438119 has mriedem +2, needs other core reviews; https://review.openstack.org/438598 is ready for core reviews.14:22
efriedI know these _seem_ intimidating, but the code is SO clean and pretty; they're a joy to review.14:22
efriedNo, really.14:23
mriedemsdague: want to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/438119 ?14:23
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mriedemi'll just start harassing cores14:23
efriedPer mriedem http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115700.html we ought to be able to get up to console support in pike - those changes are all proposed and queued up.14:23
sdaguemriedem: will do14:23
efriedThanks guys.14:23
mriedemnova/cinder - current focus is still on starting the detach flows https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438750/14:23
mriedem^ will probably be approved today14:24
mriedembut there are a series of these since we do detach/terminate_connection all over the place14:24
mriedemthink swap volume, migration, rebuild, etc14:24
mriedem(not shelve offload because we're dumb...)14:24
mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:24
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mriedemnothing on the agenda14:25
mriedem#topic open discussion14:25
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mriedemlyarwood: you're up14:25
lyarwoodI have a specless bp for https://review.openstack.org/391597 to remove duplicate encryptor code from nova that needs approval if anyone has time - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/switch-to-os-brick-encryptor-classes14:25
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mriedem-1 on the patch :)14:26
lyarwoodbut +1 on the bp? ;)14:26
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mriedemprobably14:27
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mriedemare there any upgrade implications with this?14:27
* johnthetubaguy is curious about any config changes14:27
mriedemor is it just the same code, but from a library now?14:27
lyarwoodmriedem: nope, it's the same code in nova and os-brick14:27
lyarwoodjohnthetubaguy: AFAIK there shouldn't be any introduced by this14:28
mriedemi don't think we had any config for any of this before anyway14:28
mriedemthis actually removes some rootwrap entries which is nice,14:28
mriedemsince brick uses privsep14:28
johnthetubaguyI guess with both use castellan, which has the conf14:29
mriedemok i'm +1 on the specless bp, albeit it's late14:29
mriedemyeah the key manager is the only thing i think14:29
mriedemthe key manager is passed into brick it looks like14:29
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: you ok with the specless bp?14:30
johnthetubaguyyeah, happy with the concept14:30
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mriedemok approved14:30
lyarwoodcool thanks14:30
mriedemok so the other thing i wanted to bring up, since it's block takashin,14:31
mriedemis we had approved his spec to update the server migrations API to return all migration types, not just live migration14:31
mriedemthat's good,14:31
mriedembut it also only returns in-progress live migrations,14:31
mriedemin the ML i proposed that we return migrations of any status, and allow for a status filter query parameter if the client wants to filter on the server side14:32
mriedemoperators seemed to like that idea14:32
mriedemsince instance actions doesn't provide the same level of detail that we get from the migrations api14:32
johnthetubaguyyes, I think sdague mentioned it was originally planned not to replace instance_actions or the "forth coming" tasks API14:32
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mriedemafter 3 years of hearing about the tasks api,14:32
mriedemi don't give it any mind anymore14:33
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johnthetubaguybut give thats a touch delayed... yeah, all status makes sense, if we are careful defining the different status codes and what they mean14:33
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mriedemi figured we'd have a meta value for the status filter parameter called "inprogress" or something14:33
mriedemsince there are a few migration states that fall under that umbrella14:34
mriedemi guess i'm looking for general agreement, and if so, i can amend the spec14:34
mriedemi agree it's late, but we already approved takashin's spec but i've -2ed the code until we sort out this amendment idea,14:34
mriedemin other words, i don't want to land this microversion, just to add another microversion later to expose all statues14:35
mriedem*status14:35
mriedemalex_xu: takashin: do you have any thoughts?14:35
alex_xuI'm ok with that14:35
takashinmriedem: the spec is for "abort cold migration" function.14:36
mriedemtakashin: the abort cold migration spec is for abort cold migration :)14:36
mriedemthis spec is about listing migrations14:36
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mriedemwe shouldn't munge the two concepts in my opinion14:36
mriedemas it makes for a bad api experience14:36
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takashinmriedem: We have to list the migrations to abort cold migration.14:37
mriedemtakashin: i agree14:37
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takashinmriedem: So "in-progress" migration should be listed.14:37
mriedemtakashin: and it will be14:37
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mriedembut so will completed migrations if you don't filter on status14:37
mriedem^ is what i'm proposing14:38
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mriedemso that we can get out of this meeting, i can work on amending the spec with how i think this should look, and we can discuss it in the review14:38
alex_xuor in default we only show in-progress migration, with flag all=true to show all the migrations14:39
alex_xuyea14:39
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mriedemalex_xu: i'm not a fan of that - we don't only list ACTIVE servers by default14:39
mriedemanyway, we can discuss when i actually write something up14:39
takashinThere is a os-migrations API.14:39
mriedemtakashin: which says it's frozen14:39
takashinIt has been frozen.14:39
mriedemtakashin: alex_xu: let's discuss this in -nova after the meeting14:40
mriedemdid anyone have anything else?14:40
mriedemnope. ok, thanks everyone14:40
mriedem#endmeeting14:40
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kevinbentonarmax, ihrachys, amotoki, mlavalle ping22:02
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kevinbenton#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Apr 20 22:02:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:02
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armaxhi22:03
haleybhi22:03
kevinbentonlet's cruise through some RFE's22:03
kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe22:03
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kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/155881222:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1558812 in neutron "[RFE] Enable adoption of an existing subnet into a subnetpool" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)22:05
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kevinbentonthis one has been discussed before and Carl gave a nice outline of what needs to be done22:05
mlavalleyep, really nice22:05
armaxI thought that was approved at some point22:06
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mlavalleand there is a patchset that was started by tidwellr22:06
armaxyeah22:06
kevinbentonarmax: looks like it went from approved to postponed22:06
armaxwell the implementation is hairy22:06
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armaxand it stalled in making it robust enough to races etc22:06
kevinbentonwas the issue locking?22:07
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armaxI don’t recall, but Ryan struggled for a while22:07
armaxsince we lost both carl and ryan in the process this stalled22:07
kevinbentonthe revision plugin may now offer us more guarantees with protection from races now22:07
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kevinbentonsince all subnet updates increment the network revision as part of their update22:08
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kevinbentoni'm okay with approving this and re-examining the implementaiton22:09
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armaxI am thinking if we want to take a step back22:10
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armaxand look at all RFEs on the radar and try to stab at giving priorities22:10
mlavalleyeap, I was about to propose the same22:10
armaxand then assess only those we feel like are higher priority for us22:11
mlavallewith all the causalties lately, we need to look at the big picture22:11
armaxas much as I still believe that priorities are hard to estimate22:11
mlavalleand regroup22:11
armaxmlavalle: exactly22:11
armaxI was ognna say22:11
ihrachysright. we need to understand what's the state for things like port bindings and such.22:11
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armaxthe landscape changed drastically in just a few months22:11
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mlavallejust in this week22:12
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armaxwe can’t just let folks work on what they fancy22:12
armaxas much as it’s useful22:12
kevinbentonwell we can22:12
armaxwe have stuff that’s standing incomple22:12
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armaxincomplete22:12
kevinbentonand they won't necessarily work on what we fancy is the issue22:12
armaxand that hurts more than something that’s not even started22:12
armaxkevinbenton: I understand22:13
armaxwe can force people to work on stuff we want them to work22:13
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mlavallecan't^^^ I think22:14
armaxwhat I am saying is that out of the lot of open RFEs22:14
armaxrather than treating them at the same priority, we should perhaps look at those that are more critical22:15
kevinbentonisn't that what the priority field is for on blueprints?22:16
armaxat this point these are not blueprints yet though22:16
kevinbentoni like to think of RFEs as sanity checks to see if we can allow them in the platform22:16
armaxok22:16
kevinbentonsetting to rfe-approved doesn't mean we need to land them all22:16
armaxsure22:16
armaxbut we approved this one already22:16
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armaxso it already makes sense22:17
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kevinbentonok, then we should get rid of rfe-postponed tag probably22:17
armaxno22:17
kevinbentonand just track that with blueprint status22:17
armaxif we have an owner it shoudl go straight back to approved22:17
armaxthere’s no point in going back to rfe22:17
armaxthe discussion has already happened22:17
kevinbentonthen why did we spend 5 minutes talking about approving it?22:18
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kevinbenton:)22:18
armaxnot this one22:18
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armaxnever mind, carry on22:19
kevinbentonso what would you like to spend the meeting doing?22:19
kevinbentonwe can prioritize blueprings22:19
kevinbentonblueprints22:19
kevinbenton#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron22:20
kevinbenton#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/adopt-oslo-versioned-objects-for-db22:20
armaxthat’s fine, let’s go back to RFEs22:20
kevinbentonso this one got hit pretty hard by cut back of intel/rackspace22:20
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kevinbentonihrachys: how many people do we have left working on OVO?22:21
ihrachys1.522:21
ihrachysme and manjeet (I am .5 if you ask)22:22
kevinbentonack22:22
ihrachysbut that I am going to close. but I will fall back on some other upgrade related things.22:22
ihrachyslike the api extensions convergence22:22
ihrachysI am going to postpone/defer/abandon that one22:22
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mlavallewasn't manjeets hit by the OSIC debacle?22:22
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ihrachysmlavalle, he is one of those lucky who are not OSIC22:22
ihrachysbut ODL22:22
kevinbentonelectrocucuracha has this handy spreadsheet he sent me https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1FeeQlQITsZSj_wpOXiLbS36dirb_arX0XEWBdFVPMB8/edit#gid=143417011222:22
ihrachysso he stays (for now)22:22
mlavalleahhh nice!22:22
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kevinbentonihrachys: is it possible for you to write-up an email highlighting what patches need volunteers to take over?22:24
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kevinbentonihrachys: and send it to the list22:24
ihrachysok ok22:24
kevinbenton#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-lib-networking-l2gw22:25
kevinbentonarmax: that is still in progress, right?22:25
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ihrachysthe link doesn't reflect the title22:25
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armaxlet me fix tht22:25
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armaxI am heavily behind22:26
armaxbut I still intend to work on it22:26
armaxif time lets me22:26
kevinbentondo you think high priority status is necessary?22:26
armaxkevinbenton: btw we should bump the milestones22:26
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armaxwe’re in p-2 right?22:26
kevinbentonthis isn't blocking anything other than stopping neutron imports22:26
kevinbentonarmax: you broke that link above22:27
armaxI did22:27
kevinbentonarmax: share us the new one please22:27
armaxhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/neutron-lib-dynr22:27
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kevinbentonarmax: so what do you think about lowering the priority of this one since it's not operator/user visible22:28
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kevinbentonok22:29
kevinbentonleaving it for now22:29
armaxfine by me22:29
kevinbentonthis one is the worrying one now22:30
kevinbenton#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/live-migration-portbinding22:30
armaxthe sense of urgency came from the idea of accelerating the adoption of neutron-lib22:30
armaxbut that’s not going to happen22:30
kevinbentoni think we need to higher the priority of this portbinding work22:30
kevinbentonbecause it's actually going to address multiple things22:30
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ihrachys++22:30
kevinbentonmigrations between vif types IIUC requires this22:30
mlavalleand Anindita was affected by the OSIC stuuf22:30
kevinbentonand we need migrations between vif types to switch between mech drivers (as part of an upgrade)22:31
ihrachysand also firewalls afaik22:31
kevinbentonor as part of a switch between technologies (e.g. ref impl to OVN)22:31
kevinbenton(iptables -> ovs native)22:31
kevinbentonihrachys: ++22:31
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ihrachysI totally agree that should get High, but we need to understand if nova still thinks the same about it.22:32
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kevinbentonjohnthetubaguy: you awake?22:32
armaxprobably not22:32
armaxwe should ask ijw if he has resources he can spare22:33
armaxto work on this22:33
armaxhe has a stake in this22:33
kevinbenton+1, he was adamant at the PTG that all was needed was approval of the work22:33
ihrachysarmax, we may also have someone for the cause22:33
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armaxwoot22:34
ihrachysbut not nova side :)22:34
ihrachys(at least I am not aware of anyone yet)22:34
kevinbentoni would like to put the priority of this one at medium22:35
kevinbentonhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/instance-ingress-bw-limit22:35
ihrachyskevinbenton, I think Anindita is with us till end of next week, so it may make sense to dump her brain on the matter before she potentially leaves us22:35
kevinbentonihrachys: ack22:36
kevinbentonihrachys: i will reach out to her22:36
armaxkevinbenton: two priorities to chose from22:36
armaxlow and higj22:36
armaxhigh22:36
kevinbentoni see more22:36
kevinbentoni will use more!22:36
ihrachysfor that qos one, we have a patch I believe22:36
kevinbentonihrachys: right22:37
kevinbentonihrachys: i've looked at it a couple of times22:37
ihrachyshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/449831/22:37
ihrachysyeah, it's pretty good22:37
ihrachysI did too22:37
armaxkevinbenton: it’s pointless to use more than two22:37
kevinbentonarmax: well pretend all of them are low that aren't high22:37
kevinbentonarmax: problem solved22:37
ihrachysit doesn't implement backend though I believe22:37
armax(facepalm)22:37
ihrachysoh there is another one for ovs bits https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457816/22:38
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kevinbentoni've heard multiple requests for this qos one, so it would be good if we can land it22:39
ihrachysre prio, I am fine with High but will review nevertheless22:39
kevinbentonMEDIUM22:39
mlavalleque qos guys have a bi-weekly meeting, which I've been attending lately22:40
mlavallenext one is this coming Tuesday22:40
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mlavalleI can communicate to them22:40
mlavallethis bump in priority22:40
armaxI am moving them back to LOW :)22:40
kevinbentonmlavalle: looks like they are moving along pretty well already, but yeah tell them we are targeting PIke for sure22:41
kevinbenton#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/port-data-plane-status22:41
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kevinbentonIIRC this merged22:41
mlavalleyes, it is done22:41
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ihrachysdocs/tests/all good?22:41
kevinbenton hmm, not sure about docs22:41
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kevinbentoni think tests and whatnot were part of it22:41
ihrachysapi-ref?22:42
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mlavalleapi ref was merged22:42
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ihrachysyeah I see it22:42
mlavallein neutron lib before the neutron side22:42
armaxas this is assigned to me as approved22:42
ihrachysthen I guess can be closed22:42
armaxapprover22:42
armaxI should know the answer to these questions22:42
armaxI’ll find out and provide an update on teh whiteboard22:42
kevinbentonarmax: ok, i'll let you go through and identify the gaps22:42
mlavallethe only missing piece is docs22:42
kevinbenton#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/native-l2pop22:43
kevinbentonthis may need a priority bump22:43
armaxis the assignee still around?22:44
kevinbentoni'm still working out the issues, but trying to trigger l2pop functionality inside of push notiifcations is becoming really hacky and burdensome22:44
kevinbentonihrachys: we still have venkata right?22:44
kevinbentonor is he OVN?22:44
ihrachyskevinbenton, ofc22:44
ihrachysI think he is mostly with us22:44
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ihrachysbut I can check22:44
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kevinbentonack22:44
armaxI’ll like you to expand on teh hackiness but offline22:44
kevinbentonwell the issue is l2pop does things based on a magical hidden state machine of (STATUS, host_id) tuples22:45
armaxOFFLINE!22:45
kevinbentonso if you fail to perform the correct incantations, the doors to connectivity fail to open22:45
kevinbentonok :)22:46
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kevinbentoneverything else on that list is fine with me for priority22:46
kevinbenton#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fetch-hostkey-from-port22:46
kevinbentonthat belongs to an RFE mlavalle and i discussed last week a bit22:46
kevinbentonmonty has even volunteered to help work it22:47
mlavallemodred showed up yesterday in the Neutron channel22:47
mlavallethinking the meeting was yesterday22:47
armaxnot sure what that means22:47
ihrachysdo we have anything written beyond this one sentence description?22:47
armaxis there more documented somewhere?22:47
kevinbentonihrachys: yeah22:47
kevinbentonrfe22:47
kevinbentonone sec22:47
kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168224722:48
openstackLaunchpad bug 1682247 in neutron "Neutron should be able to fetch hostkeys for ports" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:48
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clarkbtl;dr is give users of booted instances a secure ish way to get the hostkey so that you don't have to blindly trust on first boot22:48
kevinbentonwhich has a link to an even more detailed spec22:48
mlavalleyeah, he submitted the spec before the rfe22:48
armaxI am not sure I appreciate why that service must be neutron22:48
armaxI’ll look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456394/22:49
kevinbentonit requires a network probing of some sort22:49
kevinbentonhere is the digital ocean RFE :) https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digitalocean/suggestions/9307569-return-the-droplet-s-ssh-public-key-as-part-of-api22:49
armaxkevinbenton: probing such as?22:50
kevinbentonarmax: connecting to the instance on a TCP port to retrieve the ssh key22:51
ihrachysso something from inside neutron (that would guarantee correct endpoint) fetch ssh fingers and expose via api?22:51
kevinbentonihrachys: yep22:51
kevinbentonssh-keyscan as a service22:51
kevinbentonSKaaS22:51
mlavallelol22:51
armaxkevinbenton: this makes no sense22:51
armaxat least at first glance22:52
kevinbentonarmax: i want an API to retrieve the ssh key of a server22:52
armaxyou poke a TCP port and an ssh key is handed over to you?22:52
kevinbentonarmax: yes, this is how ssh works22:52
armaxbut then why neutron?22:52
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armaxthis might as well be nova22:52
ihrachysarmax, I am not sure you can safely do that from outside neutron (or nova) perimeter.22:52
kevinbentonarmax: neutron is the thing with access to the network22:52
kevinbentonarmax: nova does not have access22:53
armaxthe service runs in a vm22:53
ihrachysunless it doesn't22:53
kevinbentonarmax: what service?22:53
kevinbentonthe scanning thing?22:53
armaxassh22:53
armaxssh22:53
armaxthat’s ok, I’ll look at the spec22:53
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armaxno need to digress here22:53
kevinbentonI, as a user, want to know the SSH hostkey of a new instance so I don't have to trust the first thing i get when i connect22:54
armaxI understand, all I am wondering at this point is whether this logic actually resides in neutron or not22:54
armaxI can have many ports connected to a VM22:54
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armaxwouldn’t I get the same key for if two ports were connected to the same VM?22:55
kevinbentonmost of the time, yes22:55
ihrachysI suspect it's configurable22:55
kevinbentoni'm sure you could configure sshd to listen differently on different ports22:55
armaxdunno if I ever saw that in practice22:56
armaxsounds like a nightmare22:56
ihrachysquoting someone from stackoverflow "You can actually change where the SSH server looks for the key in the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file with the HostKey /path/to/host/key setting."22:56
armaxanyway I am surprised we bypassed the RFE process altogether and give this blueprint for granted22:56
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kevinbentonwe didn't22:56
kevinbentonpay attention!22:56
armaxI see no RFE bug22:56
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armaxlinked here22:56
armaxhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/fetch-hostkey-from-port22:57
kevinbenton#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168224722:57
openstackLaunchpad bug 1682247 in neutron "Neutron should be able to fetch hostkeys for ports" [Wishlist,Triaged]22:57
mlavallearmax: that is because modred didn't know about the RFE process22:57
mlavalleso he submitted the spec first22:57
armaxI see22:57
mlavallein fact, he wants to attend the meeting next week22:57
mlavallehe couldn't make it today (he thought it was yesterday)22:57
mlavalleand discuss the rfe22:58
kevinbentonwell that will give everyone time to read the RFE and think about it22:58
armaxsounds good22:58
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kevinbentona project could potentially live outside of neutron an leverage the neutron interface drivers to attach to tenant networks with admin privileges22:58
ihrachyskevinbenton, or os-vif? :)22:59
kevinbentonihrachys: yeah, if they are willing to accept use cases that aren't VMs22:59
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ihrachystime23:00
kevinbentonihrachys: early on i had suggested in a review to address agent-style plugging and they weren't interested23:00
kevinbentonack23:00
kevinbenton#endmeeting23:00
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armaxbye23:00
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-20-22.02.html23:00
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-20-22.02.txt23:00
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ihrachysarmax, glad to see you back23:00
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trevormckevinbenton, mlavalle I updated bug 1662650 like requested last week.23:00
openstackbug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662650 - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016)23:00
armaxI was never going away without saying goodbye23:00
armax;)23:00
armaxmine was just a temporary lapse of the reason23:01
mlavalleo/23:01
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ihrachysthat's cool23:01
kevinbentontrevormc: thanks, we should be able to check it out next week23:01
mlavallearmax: good to have you here :-)23:01
trevormcawesome23:01
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armaxmlavalle: thanks!23:04
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