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mmedvede#startmeeting third-party15:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 17 15:03:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
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mmedvede#topic Open Discussion15:04
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mmedvedehi asselin15:04
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asselinhi mmedvede15:05
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mmedvedeasselin: are you running zuul by any chance?15:06
asselinmmedvede, yes15:07
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mmedvedewhich version? I am pinning it before 2.5.1 tag, and it stopped working due to voluptious package update last week15:08
asselinwe're on a very old version15:08
mmedvedeasselin: ok, then heads up - do not update python packages and restart zuul, you could lose it15:09
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asselin:( ok...is upstream affected as well?15:09
mmedvedeI am still investigating, maybe a newer version can be used15:09
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mmedvedeasselin: I assume master is patched15:09
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mmedvedeso upstream does not appear to be affected15:10
asselinor they haven't restarted in a while....15:11
mmedvedethere is that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456270/15:11
mmedvedefairly recent15:12
mmedvede"Handle dict extras in Voluptuous Schema"15:12
pabelangeryes, Voluptuous made things stricter15:12
pabelangerso, if you have the latest Voluptuous is will break zuul < 2.5.215:12
mmedvedehi pabelanger, what do you think the best course of action? downgrade voluptuous?15:12
pabelangerdowngrading is likely safest fix, but need to see why it was upgraded first15:13
pabelangerotherwise, you should be able to use 2.5.215:13
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mmedvedeI'll give 2.5.2 a go, thanks pabelanger15:14
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mmedvedeany other topics?15:18
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asselinI don't have any15:18
clarkbone thing to note, you should be able to safely use 2.5.2 if using 2.5.1 now15:19
mmedvedeyes, it appears that zuul 2.5.2 is working well after I upgraded it (at least I see a job in the queue)15:20
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mmedvedeso if you pin zuul to an old version and it stops adding jobs after a restart, upgrade to 2.5.215:22
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mmedvedethanks for attending15:24
mmedvede#endmeeting15:24
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Apr 17 15:24:07 2017 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:24
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-04-17-15.03.html15:24
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-04-17-15.03.txt15:24
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-04-17-15.03.log.html15:24
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armstrongmsg NickServ identify15:40
smcginnisarmstrong: Password:15:43
smcginnis:)15:43
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dasmneutron team meeting?20:02
dasmihrachys: kevinbenton? ^20:02
ihrachysdasm, seems like it's in an hour20:02
ihrachysdasm, as per eavesdrop20:03
ihrachysI was also caught by it20:03
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dasmihrachys: oh. right. 21UTC not 20UTC. thanks20:03
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kevinbenton#startmeeting networking21:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Apr 17 21:01:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:01
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kevinbentonhello!21:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:01
dasmo/21:01
mlavalleo/21:01
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kevinbentonihrachys, armax ping21:02
ihrachyso/21:02
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kevinbentonok, let's get started21:03
kevinbenton#topic Announcements21:04
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kevinbentonthe schedule for the Forum at the summit is available21:04
kevinbenton#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115174.html21:04
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kevinbentonso if you are planning on attending the summit, take a look at that21:05
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kevinbentonIn the bad news area, it sounds like OSIC is not having its funding renewed21:06
mlavalleyeap21:06
dasm;_;21:06
kevinbentonso please reach out to me if you will no longer be able to work on neutron so we can pick up whatever was assigned to you21:07
ihrachys+, no patch left behind21:08
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mlavallelike the US Marines21:08
kevinbentondoes anyone have any other announcements?21:08
dasmwe're past Pike-1. Pike-2 is beginning of June21:09
dasmso, ~6-7 weeks21:09
dasmand, afaik, kevinbenton you've recognized pike goals, right?21:10
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kevinbentondasm: yes21:10
kevinbenton#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457200/21:10
* dasm was looking for handy link, but couldn't find21:11
kevinbentonthat shows that we are intending to support both community goals21:11
ihrachysthere was a etherpad for py3 effort from jlibosva21:11
ihrachysI will update the bug21:11
kevinbentonihrachys: thx. i couldn't find that21:11
ihrachyshttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py3-neutron-pike21:12
ihrachysyeah we never actually advertised it beyond CI team21:12
ihrachysand we created it prev week21:12
ihrachysit's a stub21:12
ihrachysbut will have more details21:12
kevinbentonack21:12
kevinbentonok21:14
kevinbenton#topic Neutron Review Inbox21:14
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kevinbentonI went through and looked at all of the old patches against neutron without a WIP -1  and not failing jenkins to provide feedback21:15
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kevinbentonI want us to get to a point where we don't have any patches waiting for reviewer feedback so stuff doesn't fall between the cracks21:16
ihrachys++, I smashed some of those you +2d into the gate yesterday21:16
ihrachysquite a lot of them actually21:16
ihrachysit was like 30+ patches stacked in gate21:16
kevinbentonif someone is good with gerrit queries, i would like the following query to be checked by cores each day21:17
kevinbentonvote from people >=021:17
kevinbentonvote from CI == 121:17
kevinbentonworkflow >= 021:17
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ihrachysdo you have a query handy?21:18
ihrachysalso, what happened to reviewday dashboard?21:18
ihrachysI mean the one linked to from http://status.openstack.org/reviews/21:18
kevinbentonthat links to here21:19
kevinbentonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=%28project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dbgpvpn+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dovn+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dmidonet+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dbagpipe+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Dfwaas+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Dlib+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dsfc+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fpython%2Dneutronclient+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Dspecs+21:19
kevinbentonOR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fnetworking%2Dodl+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fovsdbapp+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron+OR+project%3Aopenstack%2Fneutron%2Ddynamic%2Drouting%29+status%3Aopen+NOT+owner%3Aself+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D%2D1+NOT+label%3ACode%2DReview%3E%3D%2D2%2Cself+branch%3Amaster&title=Neutron+pike%2D1+Review+Inbox&All+Gate+failure+fixes+neutron=%28message%3A1679775+OR+message%3A1683090+OR+message%3A1683249+OR+message%3A1683256+OR+21:19
kevinbentonmessage%3A1509004+OR+message%3A1540983+OR+message%3A1604115+OR+message%3A1622516+OR+message%3A1627424+OR+message%3A1628886+OR+message%3A1655567+OR+message%3A1660612+OR+message%3A1666731+OR+message%3A1669805+OR+message%3A1672607+OR+message%3A1674517+OR+message%3A1676966+OR+message%3A1683227+OR+message%3A1683369+OR+message%3A1683469+OR+message%3A1669900+OR+message%3A1683365+OR+message%3A1662387+OR+message%3A1664347+OR+message%3A1673531+OR21:19
kevinbenton+message%3A1674443+OR+message%3A1681945%29&Approved+RFE+neutron=%28message%3A1458890+OR+message%3A1468366+OR+message%3A1476527+OR+message%3A1492714+OR+message%3A1498987+OR+message%3A1507499+OR+message%3A1516195+OR+message%3A1520719+OR+message%3A1521291+OR+message%3A1560961+OR+message%3A1560963+OR+message%3A1561824+OR+message%3A1563967+OR+message%3A1566520+OR+message%3A1577488+OR+message%3A1578989+OR+message%3A1579068+OR+message%21:19
kevinbenton3A1583184+OR+message%3A1598081+OR+message%3A1630981+OR+message%3A1632877+OR+message%3A1649909+OR+message%3A1650678+OR+message%3A1667329+OR+message%3A1674349%29&High+Bugs+neutron=%28message%3A1375625+OR+message%3A1559920+OR+message%3A1599936+OR+message%3A1610483+OR+message%3A1626010+OR+message%3A1627424+OR+message%3A1634123+OR+message%3A1659175+OR+message%3A1659691+OR+message%3A1661717+OR+message%3A1665215+OR+message%3A1669021+OR+message21:19
kevinbenton%3A1674517+OR+message%3A1677729%29&Blueprints+neutron=%28topic%3Abp%2Fadopt%2Doslo%2Dversioned%2Dobjects%2Dfor%2Ddb+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fneutron%2Dlib%2Dnetworking%2Dl2gw+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fneutron%2Dlib%2Dnetworking%2Dovn+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fonline%2Dupgrades+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fpush%2Dnotifications+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fagentless%2Ddriver+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fenginefacade%2Dswitch+OR+topic%3Abp%2Ffwaas%2Dapi%2D2.0+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fl2%2Dapi%2Dextensions+OR+topic%21:19
kevinbenton3Abp%2Flive%2Dmigration%2Dportbinding+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fnative%2Dl2pop+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fneutron%2Din%2Dtree%2Dapi%2Dref+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fport%2Ddata%2Dplane%2Dstatus+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fquota%2Dlimits+OR+topic%3Abp%2Frbac%2Dkeystone%2Dv3+OR+topic%3Abp%2Fsecurity%2Dgroup%2Dlogging+OR+topic%3Abp%2Ftroubleshooting%2921:19
kevinbentonwhoops21:19
ihrachysoh21:19
kevinbentonso that's good for deciding what to prioritize21:19
kevinbentonbut i still want everyone to keep an eye on the general review inbox21:19
ihrachysI mean, maybe we can squash your query into existing board and advertise using the board21:19
kevinbentonso we all have a good view of what's going on21:19
kevinbentonand so we don't miss patches from people less familiar with our process21:20
trevormcWhat I noticed about the reviewday link is that med-low importance bugs fall through the cracks.21:20
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mlavallekevinbenton: we have links in this page https://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/dashboards/index.html21:20
mlavallenot exactly what you stated above, but pretty close21:20
mlavalleI find it useful21:21
kevinbentonright21:21
kevinbentoni might just want to update that page with another link21:21
kevinbentonthe query is something like this21:21
kevinbentonproject:openstack/neutron status:open NOT owner:self NOT label:Workflow<=-1 label:Verified>=1,jenkins NOT label:Code-Review>=-1,self21:21
* ihrachys makes notes21:22
mlavallekevinbenton: you plan to do that? if not I can do it over the next couple of days21:22
trevormcThats the "passed jenkins, no negative feedback" table21:22
kevinbentontrevormc: ah21:23
trevormchttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+NOT+label:Code-Review%253E%253D0%252Cself+label:Verified%253E%253D1%252Cjenkins+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C%253D-1+NOT+label:Workflow%253C%253D-1+project:openstack/neutron21:23
mlavalletrevormc, kevinbenton which is the first link in the page I pijnted above21:23
mlavalleit is included in there21:23
kevinbentonoh perfect21:23
kevinbentonok21:23
kevinbentonso i'll just send out an email indicating that I want to keep that list small at all times21:23
mlavallekevinbenton: keep in mind that page has several tables21:24
mlavalleall useful21:24
kevinbentonthen what I want to do is get an IRC bot to harass us for the older stuff21:24
kevinbentonok21:24
kevinbenton#topic OVO backwards compatibility21:25
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kevinbentonihrachys has a couple of patches dropping the downgrading logic on the OVO objects21:25
ihrachyslike https://review.openstack.org/456637 or https://review.openstack.org/45666521:25
ihrachyswhich would make sense if we assume that we only run against agents that use latest object as defined. if for some reason there is a component that may want to use older representation in newer versions, we may pull the rug from under them.21:26
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ihrachysso far we assumed that consumers of RPC callbacks (and hence old object versions) are internal to ml2 and our own agents21:27
kevinbentonand what i had suggested is that we may want to keep that logic if we offer OVO through any kind of public interface21:27
ihrachysso killing the code would be fine21:27
ihrachysI am fine with the direction, just need to advertise that a bit more in devref and ML maybe21:28
kevinbentonihrachys: do you foresee it causing problems21:28
kevinbentonihrachys: can keeping old version compatibility lock us into something?21:28
ihrachysI actually started removing the code because slawek had some complications with adopting the tests to his new changes. so I decided to simplify his life. but that shouldn't be a stopgap for him, just a tad more work.21:28
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ihrachyskevinbenton, I don't think it should. in the end, as long as consumers have old object representation handy somewhere, they should be able to deserialize it independently from us.21:29
kevinbentonlets leave them behind for now21:30
ihrachyskevinbenton, (which may mean we may want to provide them with some versioned object revisions somewhere in common place, but that's not a must)21:30
ihrachysotherwise, they can always work with json as-is.21:30
ihrachysok I will abandon the patches. and make slawek happy. ;)21:31
kevinbentonihrachys: or maybe we can extend the deprecation cycle at least a ways21:31
kevinbentonihrachys: like only drop the downgrade when the original version was released in EOL branch21:31
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ihrachysthat may be a good middle ground21:32
ihrachysok I will have a look if qos would then be eligible for cleanup.21:32
ihrachysgotta document that somewhere21:32
ihrachysothers don't have thoughts on the matter it seems?21:33
ihrachysok21:34
kevinbentonmoving on :)21:34
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kevinbenton#topic server_defaults in expand scripts21:34
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kevinbentonwe need to always ensure that an expand script that adds a new column marks it as nullable or defines a server default21:35
kevinbentonotherwise when an older version of the server tries to insert a record, it will fail21:35
ihrachyswere there violations, or is it PSA?21:36
kevinbentonihrachys: two i noticed in patches21:36
ihrachysmerged?21:36
kevinbentonihrachys: haven't merged yet21:36
ihrachysok21:36
kevinbentonihrachys: just in review21:36
ihrachysideally we would have a gate for that but infra/ops/qa seems to bail out of producing framework in grenade for that21:36
ihrachyswe may need to have a look at gate setup on our own21:37
ihrachysit was for a long time in my (lack of) prio queue21:37
kevinbentonack21:37
kevinbentonso for now we just need to closely watch in reviews21:37
mlavallekevinbenton: Ann also commented in my patch to include to declare server default in the model itself21:37
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kevinbentonmlavalle: yeah, it's good to keep them consistent21:38
kevinbentonthe only time that's used is creating the in-memory sqlite db21:38
mlavallejust sharing with the team :-)21:38
kevinbentoni will open a bug21:39
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kevinbentonwe may be able to detect this in our migration validation code21:39
kevinbentonok21:39
kevinbenton#topic bugs21:40
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kevinbentonwho was bug deputy?21:40
trevormco/21:40
trevormci was21:40
trevormcI just had one bug I thought would need more attention last week.21:41
kevinbentontrevormc: any bugs to bring to everyone's attention?21:41
kevinbentonack21:41
trevormchttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/168178421:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1681784 in python-neutronclient "neutronclient: incorrect treatment of input parameters" [Undecided,New]21:41
trevormcIt blocks use of heat, I just didn't know where the fix should land.21:41
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kevinbentonis this a regression?21:44
kevinbentonon the neutron side21:44
kevinbentonlike did we used to accept None and now we don't?21:44
kevinbentonbecause in that case we broke backwards compability and we should fix it21:44
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trevormcok, makes sense.21:45
kevinbentontrevormc: i will leave that comment on the bug21:45
trevormcthanks21:46
kevinbentondo we have a bug deputy for next week?21:46
trevormci thought we had a volunteer last week.21:46
mlavalleyes21:47
hichiharaI guess that jlibosva will be next week21:47
kevinbentonok cool21:47
mlavallecorrect21:47
hichiharasorry it's this week21:47
hichiharaWe don't have it for Apr-2421:47
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kevinbentondoes anyone want to volunteer for Apr 24?21:48
mlavalleI can do it21:48
kevinbentonmlavalle: thanks21:48
kevinbenton#info mlavalle bug deputy for week of apr 24th21:48
kevinbentonis anyone around to give us an update on Docs or OSC?21:49
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kevinbenton#topic neutron-lib21:50
abhirautfor osc: we havent had an update on l3 agent and tags patches since last week21:50
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kevinbenton#undo21:50
openstackRemoving item from minutes: #topic neutron-lib21:50
kevinbenton#topic osc21:50
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abhirautbut those are the remaining items from core list21:50
kevinbentonack21:50
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kevinbentonabhiraut: what's our policy on bug fixes for neutronclient?21:50
abhirauti will reach out to reedip and ankur to check progress21:50
kevinbentonabhiraut: have we frozen completely at this point?21:51
abhirautanything thats not urgent should be pushed for OSC21:51
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abhirautfor tags..  we dont have a OSC patch.. so fixes can be allowed in neutronclient21:51
kevinbentonabhiraut: ok21:51
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kevinbentonabhiraut: thanks21:51
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abhirautif it exists in osc.. fix should be pushed there21:52
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kevinbentonack21:52
abhirautthats it from me21:52
kevinbenton#topic neutron-lib21:52
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kevinbentonoh no, i think we lost boden before i could get to this21:52
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kevinbentoni think the big impending change is the switch to neutron-lib's callbacks21:53
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dasmkevinbenton: boden shared his status on #openstack-neutron21:53
dasmhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-neutron/%23openstack-neutron.2017-04-17.log.html#t2017-04-17T19:47:2321:53
dasm"kevinbenton ihrachys others… I won’t be able to make the team meeting today. The only thing I really had to discuss for neutron-lib is the “consumption approach” for neutron-lib callbacks. But I think we can have this discussion on the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439146/"21:54
kevinbentondasm: thanks, was looking for that link21:54
kevinbenton#topic open discussion21:54
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kevinbentonany last minute high priority items?21:54
dasmi put my topic on agenda.21:54
kevinbentondasm: u have 5 mins, go :)21:54
dasmunfortunately, i won't be able to fulfill release liaison role any longer.21:55
dasmso, we need to find someone else21:55
dasmor, like united airlines, we can "volunteer" someone to this role21:55
kevinbentondasm: will you be working on neutron at all?21:55
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kevinbentonto help with transition21:56
dasmkevinbenton: i don't think so. but i should stick around for some time21:56
kevinbentonok21:56
kevinbentondasm: can you send an email with [neutron] tag to the dev list asking if anyone is interested?21:56
dasmkevinbenton: sure, will do21:56
kevinbentondasm: thanks21:56
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ihrachysdasm, thanks for all the work21:58
kevinbenton++21:58
kevinbentonok21:58
dasmnext person will have some time to dive into the details. we just released everything, so it should be simpler :)21:58
mlavalledasm: thanks for all your efforts21:58
hichihara++21:59
kevinbentonok, have a good day everyone21:59
kevinbenton#endmeeting21:59
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dasmthank yall21:59
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