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| zioproto | is anyone here for the Scientific WG meeting ? | 07:12 |
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| b1airo | evening | 09:02 |
| b1airo | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 09:03:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is b1airo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:03 |
| daveholland | morning :) | 09:03 |
| b1airo | hi dav | 09:03 |
| b1airo | (sorry - missed my autocomplete there) | 09:03 |
| b1airo | no "edit one line back" in irc sadly | 09:04 |
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| daveholland | GMT/BST confused me, I was here an hour ago | 09:04 |
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| b1airo | oh dear! hope you can hang around for a while longer? | 09:04 |
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| b1airo | pretty sure we must be about to end daylight savings here too so this swings back to 7pm for me | 09:05 |
| daveholland | sure, anything to escape a conversation about per-tenant provider networks, Ansible and policy.json :) | 09:05 |
| b1airo | oh come on, how could openstack ever be tedious! | 09:07 |
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| b1airo | Is tenant networking a bugbear for you at Sanger currently? | 09:07 |
| daveholland | we're looking at providing Lustre to tenants using secure Lustre, subnet mounts, (private) provider networks and Lustre routers. Lustre is excitingly complicated, so is OpenStack, let's borg them together... | 09:08 |
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| b1airo | hi simon-AS559 | 09:08 |
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| simon-AS559 | Hi! | 09:08 |
| daveholland | we also want to use ironic integrating with Arista VXLAN-in-hardware, not there yet | 09:09 |
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| daveholland | hopefully have something to talk about on the Lustre front by Boston time | 09:09 |
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| b1airo | when you say "subnet mounts" do you actually mean "subtree mounts" ? | 09:10 |
| b1airo | or is this another new lustre thing i don't know about? | 09:10 |
| daveholland | doh yes, you're right | 09:10 |
| b1airo | pretty quiet in here so far, i suppose this is non-US week though | 09:11 |
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| daveholland | I'm burbling away, don't let me get in the way of the agenda | 09:12 |
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| b1airo | daveholland, re. vxlan in hardware, are you talking about some sort of automated VNI per tenant with hardware VTEP support so your hosts just think they are on a native port ? | 09:13 |
| b1airo | (always happy to burble) | 09:14 |
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| b1airo | there is really one main agenda item... | 09:14 |
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| daveholland | yes, we want hardware instances to get an untagged switch port, which the switch has on some automagically allocated internal VLAN, which is connected to the tenant network XVLAN mesh usnig the hardware VTEP | 09:14 |
| b1airo | #topic Forum session submissions | 09:14 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum session submissions (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:14 | |
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| daveholland | we've got it working by manually the switch config (so we know bringing the XVLAN out to the hardware works) but it's the automation that lacks. AIUI. It's not my main focus a the moment | 09:15 |
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| b1airo | right, so there is a one-to-one VNI-to-VXLAN mapping for those VNIs so that they can be routed upstream somewhere? | 09:16 |
| b1airo | similar to what we are doing on Mellanox+Cumulus gear actually | 09:16 |
| daveholland | yes, the Arista gear talks to OpenStack so it's the same VNI that OVS uses | 09:17 |
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| zioproto | hello | 09:17 |
| b1airo | only we haven't automated the VNI creation yet either | 09:17 |
| b1airo | hi zioproto | 09:17 |
| b1airo | ok, let's talk Forum | 09:17 |
| b1airo | please open the etherpad | 09:18 |
| b1airo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg | 09:18 |
| b1airo | aim here is to get names against items - these people will then take on submitting the session proposal and probably (unless unwilling or wanting assistance) (co-)chairing the sessions | 09:19 |
| zioproto | I cant chair any session this time, because I will not be in Boston, sorry | 09:20 |
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| b1airo | zioproto, ah yes i remember. that's a shame! but understandable given ridiculous politics | 09:21 |
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| b1airo | zioproto, do i recall correctly that in Barcelona you put your hand up to lead any activities in the public dataset sharing space ? | 09:24 |
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| zioproto | sorry high prio phone call I have to leave the IRC meeting | 09:25 |
| b1airo | np | 09:26 |
| b1airo | is "Special hardware configurations" a new item in the list ? | 09:27 |
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| b1airo | i wonder if it could be merged with hypervisor tuning? different, but related... | 09:27 |
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| daveholland | looking at the etherpad. I can see new things in there we (Sanger) want but 1. we're not running bleeding-edge, still on Liberty, and 2. don't feel like enough of an expert to be proposing/chairing (sorry!) | 09:29 |
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| b1airo | daveholland, totally understand - i'm not claiming to be an expert either! trunk runs too fast and i can no longer keep-up with reading openstack-dev | 09:31 |
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| b1airo | though luckily i don't think expertise is necessarily a prerequisite, the reality is that a big chunk of deployments are still on N-2 N-3 releases | 09:32 |
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| b1airo | part of the ops and users bits in the summit/forum is just getting in a room with people who may know some of the answers - i think a session that answered questions common to many users by elucidating an existing upstream feature would still be considered valuable | 09:34 |
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| b1airo | ok i'm going to work through the etherpad now and fire off a few emails to folks who might be interested in pushing along some of these session topics - please mention me here to get my attention again | 09:36 |
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| b1airo | any other business before we time-out? | 09:53 |
| daveholland | nothing from this end, sorry we won't see you in Boston | 09:54 |
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| b1airo | oh, you too :-( | 09:57 |
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| b1airo | will be very interesting to see what attendance is like | 09:57 |
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| b1airo | trump will make the data quite difficult in terms of evaluating the new Forum format | 09:58 |
| daveholland | :( | 09:58 |
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| b1airo | ok thanks for coming daveholland (and staying the extra hour!) | 09:59 |
| b1airo | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 10:00:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-29-09.03.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-29-09.03.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-29-09.03.log.html | 10:00 |
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| hejiawei_ | hi dongfeng | 13:58 |
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| dongfeng | hi | 13:58 |
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| zhiyuan | hi | 13:59 |
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| joehuang | hello | 14:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 14:00:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 14:00 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 14:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 14:01 |
| hejiawei_ | #info hejiawei | 14:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 14:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 14:01 |
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| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 14:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic Pike-1 prioritized patches | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike-1 prioritized patches (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 14:03 | |
| joehuang | hello, several prioritized patches for pike-1 were sent in the mail-list | 14:04 |
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| joehuang | according to our plan, we'd like to make these patches being merged into pike-1 | 14:04 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 14:04 |
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| joehuang | hi, electrocucaracha | 14:05 |
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| electrocucaracha | hey joehuang , go ahead with the meeting sorry for the interruption | 14:05 |
| joehuang | would like to know if more comments on the way for these patches | 14:05 |
| joehuang | thanks | 14:05 |
| joehuang | the first one is Add multi-region configuration in gate_hook.sh: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438382/ | 14:06 |
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| zhiyuan | I left one comment in the QoS spec patch | 14:06 |
| joehuang | this is to setup the multi-region test environment | 14:06 |
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| Yipei | #info Yipei | 14:06 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, ok. | 14:07 |
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| joehuang | 2. Cross-pod VxLAN network spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429155/ | 14:07 |
| joehuang | the spec for cross pod vxlan network had been reviewed many rounds | 14:08 |
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| joehuang | 3. Shared VxLAN (Part4: bridge network l3) : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425131/ | 14:09 |
| joehuang | 4. Shared VxLAN (Part5: bulk create shadow port): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444112/ | 14:09 |
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| joehuang | 3 & 4 are two patches for vxlan network | 14:09 |
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| joehuang | 5. Update doc and add release note for vxlan: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448524/ | 14:10 |
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| joehuang | the fifth is about documentation delivered for VxAN network | 14:10 |
| joehuang | WSGI deployments has been merged | 14:10 |
| joehuang | these five patches are must to have in pike-1 | 14:11 |
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| joehuang | would like to know are you reviewing these patches, or have finished the review | 14:12 |
| zhiyuan | qos spec is not targeted in pike-1? | 14:12 |
| joehuang | QoS spec is "nice to have" | 14:13 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 14:13 |
| joehuang | and another patch is also nice to have Update networking-guide-single-external-network: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446883/ | 14:13 |
| joehuang | Networking Qos service spec£º https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417947/ | 14:14 |
| joehuang | these two are "nice to have" patches | 14:14 |
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| joehuang | ok, if there is no more comments on the way for these patches, we'd like to approve these patches | 14:17 |
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| joehuang | so please review as much as possible | 14:17 |
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| joehuang | to victor, only one patch left for tricircle-pythonclient to release, isn't it? | 14:18 |
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| electrocucaracha | yeah, we can add other unit test later | 14:21 |
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| electrocucaracha | sorry, the delete portion is missing | 14:22 |
| electrocucaracha | deleting pods | 14:22 |
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| electrocucaracha | but that can be easily done | 14:22 |
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| joehuang | sorry, my link was broken | 14:22 |
| joehuang | hello? | 14:23 |
| hejiawei_ | hi | 14:23 |
| joehuang | ok, it works now | 14:23 |
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| electrocucaracha | I'm going to check with sindhu about here patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448819/ | 14:24 |
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| electrocucaracha | she only need to rebase it | 14:24 |
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| joehuang | ok, thank you, electrocucaracha. yes, only rebase is needed | 14:25 |
| joehuang | sorry, for the unstable link | 14:25 |
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| joehuang | #topic Requirements from VNF high availability across OpenStack (which will be a demo in OPNFV Beijing Summit) | 14:26 |
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| sindhu | hi, yes rebasing now :) | 14:26 |
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| joehuang | hi, sindhu, thank you very much! | 14:26 |
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| joehuang | in OPNFV, a requirement for multiple external-network with east-west enabled networking mode | 14:27 |
| joehuang | #link https://lists.opnfv.org/pipermail/opnfv-tech-discuss/2017-March/015728.html | 14:27 |
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| joehuang | fortunately there is exactly one spec for this requirements | 14:28 |
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| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448359/3/specs/pike/l3-networking-multi-NS-with-EW-enabled.rst | 14:28 |
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| joehuang | and explanation for why the topology varied a little | 14:29 |
| joehuang | #link https://lists.opnfv.org/pipermail/opnfv-tech-discuss/2017-March/015747.html | 14:29 |
| joehuang | it seems this a quite typical networking topology | 14:29 |
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| joehuang | even for another application, video conference | 14:30 |
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| joehuang | on the other hand, during the demo preparation | 14:30 |
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| joehuang | it's also necessary to support flat type of external network | 14:31 |
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| zhiyuan | patch for flat network support: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450061/ | 14:32 |
| joehuang | and once again, fortunately enough, zhiyuan submitted a patch for flat type of network support | 14:32 |
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| zhiyuan | just sent the link :) | 14:32 |
| joehuang | yes, just want to point out this. you guy reads my mind | 14:32 |
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| joehuang | with these patches help, it's good enough to support typical VNF high availability across OpenStack | 14:34 |
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| joehuang | so may be we can set a small step for next milestone, but no need to align with community level pike-2, if we want to use it in OPNFV | 14:35 |
| joehuang | what's your proposal? | 14:35 |
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| zhiyuan | when is the summit? | 14:37 |
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| joehuang | in Jun 15~ | 14:37 |
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| joehuang | community's pike-2 is jun-9 | 14:38 |
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| zhiyuan | how about just using te community pike-2? it's before jun-15. you would like to set a earlier milestone before pike-2 because the preparation for the summit demo? | 14:41 |
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| joehuang | we need some time to prepare summit PoC, currently CMCC is working with us on the PoC, not sure Orange will join or not | 14:42 |
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| joehuang | we can think about the milestone plan and the features to be prioritized in milestone 2 | 14:43 |
| zhiyuan | is one month enough? | 14:43 |
| joehuang | I think so | 14:44 |
| joehuang | the longer preparation, the better | 14:44 |
| electrocucaracha | +1 | 14:45 |
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| joehuang | we can think about if offline, and continue the detail plan and content for pike-2 in next weekly meeting | 14:45 |
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| zhiyuan | ok | 14:46 |
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| joehuang | to electrocucaracha, after the client is released, there two steps to make it being integrated in tricircle | 14:47 |
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| joehuang | one is to add it into global requirements | 14:47 |
| joehuang | the other one is to update tricircle's requirements.txt | 14:48 |
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| electrocucaracha | ack | 14:49 |
| joehuang | these two steps can be done after release | 14:49 |
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| joehuang | not so urgent :) | 14:49 |
| joehuang | #open discussion | 14:50 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 14:50 |
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| joehuang | hello, there is one patch in review by TCs | 14:51 |
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| joehuang | which may give tricircle a tag "single vendor" | 14:52 |
| joehuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667/ | 14:52 |
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| joehuang | the criteria is that if the review from one company > 50% | 14:52 |
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| joehuang | we have diversity contributors | 14:53 |
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| joehuang | more review from all of us and more contributors are encouraged | 14:53 |
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| joehuang | and recruit those who are interested in tricircle as much as possible | 14:55 |
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| joehuang | how can we improve the diversity? | 14:55 |
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| electrocucaracha | good question, maybe blogging | 14:56 |
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| joehuang | #info blogging to have more contribtors on board | 14:57 |
| joehuang | and more? | 14:58 |
| joehuang | we have on board session in Boston summit | 14:58 |
| joehuang | this may be one more opportunity | 14:58 |
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| joehuang | ok, time is up | 14:59 |
| joehuang | we have to end today's meeting | 14:59 |
| joehuang | let's think about it offline | 14:59 |
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| joehuang | thank you for attending today's meeting | 15:00 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 (Agenda at line 378) | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 15:00:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-29-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-29-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-03-29-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 15:00 |
| RongHui11 | bye | 15:00 |
| dongfeng2 | byw | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 ( agenda: line 378 ) | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | arg... | 15:01 |
| paul-andreraymon | Hello | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | missed the first pragma | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 (agenda: line 378 ) | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 15:01:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | ok let's start | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | as usual please add you name/nick in the pad | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jfpeltier | Hello all | 15:02 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi jfpeltier | 15:02 |
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| ansmith | o/ | 15:02 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:02 |
| mabderrahim | Hi o/ | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | So from my side two important info: | 15:03 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | First we have a slot for our face to face meeting in boston | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18671/fogedgemassively-distributed-clouds-working-group face to face meeting in Boston (please book the slo) | 15:04 |
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| jamemcc | Hi - Jamey here | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | I asked this slot because it will be come after the different presentations that will deal with multi sites/massively distributed / Fog /Edge …. stuffs | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | so this is I think rather good | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | Second announce: | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | We should agree on submitting a topic to the forum call | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | the link is in the pad. | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | Curtis, chairman of the NFV working group has already submitted something this morning and contacted us to propose to join his proposal | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | so the question is rather clear | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | Do you want to submit another topic ? | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-MassivelyDistributed-Fog-Edge (Massively Distributed WG, braimstorming on possible topics for the forum) | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | so I think we can spend 5 minutes (no more) on that question ? | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | If I'm correct this pad is rather ''empty'' in the sense that unless I am mistaken we did not get so many inputs ? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | so I think we have two questions : | 15:08 |
| jamemcc | My thought in general on Forum topics - and spcific I think to our group here - is you shoudl have a Forum topic to match any presenation you are giving | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | 1./ Does anyone know what is expected from the forum view point? and 2./ Does it make sense to submit something? | 15:08 |
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| ad_rien_ | So I think we can join the Curtis proposal | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/58 (NFV WG forum proposal) | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | So one or more on Fog/Edge is appropraite and even necessary to explain the work going on here | 15:09 |
| jamemcc | Perhaps one on each of the Fog/Edge cases of the group | 15:10 |
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| jamemcc | Sorry if I'm going off in a strange direction - but I can't stop | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | It may overlap the Curtis proposal/ | 15:10 |
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| jamemcc | In essence the Forum topic will be like a way to debate that specific area - think of it as a room and a time to have face to face | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | FYI I just copied/pasted the proposal of curtis in the pad | 15:11 |
| rcherrueau | Can someone explain me, what a forum is exactly? | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes but how many people are expected ? | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | I mean having an informal discussion with 20/25 people is something which is already tedious | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | so if you get 100 persons, I don't know what we can expect ? | 15:12 |
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| kgiusti | rcherrueau: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 15:12 |
| rcherrueau | kgiusti: thanks | 15:12 |
| paul-andreraymon | If you get 100 person, maye the outcome will be to create multiple subgroups. | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | Keeping in mind the proposal of Curtis, maybe we can make a proposal on the AMQP/oslo.messaging | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:13 |
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| jamemcc | Yes - from the Curtis run Telco NFV sessions in Barcelon - will get 25+ on this topics with majority being "interested" | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | paul-andreraymon: good point. Who is going to propose to make subgroups, I guess you would need moderators | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | So let's try to move forward | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | 1./ we have the curtis proposal (that explicitly mentions the Massively Distributed WG) | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | 2./ we can make another proposal related to the massively distributed but in that case we should position ourself w-r-t the Curtis proposal | 15:14 |
| jamemcc | But still - being scared the discussion will be slow/often interrupted is probably not a good reason to abandon it entirely | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | 3./ we can make something more specifics like the AMQP discussion? | 15:14 |
| jamemcc | @adrien #2 - Agreed | 15:15 |
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| ad_rien_ | Guys, who will be interested by moderating a discussion around the AMQP debate (that has been launched last week)? | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | I think this can be valuable | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | more precisely this can make sense to try to clarify why we have folks that deal with RMQ | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | why other try to push ZMQ | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | and why Monasca has been built on top of Kafka | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | and finally what can be the place of Qpid | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | From my point of view this makes sense but it requires times to prepare the discussion (with appropriate content) | 15:17 |
| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: I am OK to be part of that, but we should push agreed on the topic first. | 15:17 |
| rcherrueau | we should be* | 15:17 |
| jamemcc | @ rcherrueau - To try to answer in 1 line: Forum is the replacement for previous Design Summit - more emphasis on getting both User/Operators gettign their input and collaboration going but also together with the Project Teams. Need to have the Operators/Users be specifying the important topics. | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: we'd need participation from the other oslo.messaging cores I would think. | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm unfortunately already involved in different presentations for Boston, So I would rather prefer to not be to overwhelmed. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: agree but proposing something is the first step. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | I think | 15:18 |
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| jamemcc | Logistically it is a block of rooms for 3 days straight, you look up the schedule and go to the next one you are most interested in. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | wo can make a draft (deadline is next sunday)? | 15:18 |
| rcherrueau | jamemcc: OK thanks | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | But AMQP what can be discussed? | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | No proposal? | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | ok seems not | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: In my opinion there's not a consistent story regarding the use of backends | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: can you elaborate a bit more ? | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | please | 15:20 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: e.g. - when asked "which backend should I use" there's no official guidelines | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | exactly | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | but there are efforts through the architecture WG to try to identify common tools | 15:21 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: we talked about this at the last summit, but there were not enough interested parties to come to a conclusion | 15:21 |
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| ad_rien_ | Maybe if we suceed to get sufficient content we can animate a discussion and finally make progress | 15:21 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: simply getting a consensus regarding the purpose of the different backends would be ideal | 15:22 |
| paul-andreraymon | is there a discussion to be had on a reference AMQP architecture for Massively distributed? | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | yes paul-andreraymon | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | at least we want to identify requiremetns | 15:22 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: so I can propose to the oslo folks that we're planning some discussion around that in particular | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | in order to be able to investigate whether this brick ou this one satisfies the requirements | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: great | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | can you come back to us shortly | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | so if it makes sense to submit something we can do it by sunday | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | (even better, if you can come with a proposal like the curtis one but that focus on the oslo.messaging question, it would be perfect) | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | Then we need to identify moderators that can help you on this action. | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: what do you think? | 15:24 |
| kgiusti | ok | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | Great thanks | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so briefly two more minutes | 15:24 |
| paul-andreraymon | kgiusti: let me know if you need help | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | are there any other news from your side? | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | or we can move to the next topic | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's move to the next topic | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic AMQP | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_ | Can we have an overview of the current discussion? I saw several emails (thanks BTW ;)) | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: kgiusti ? | 15:25 |
| rcherrueau | Let me try to sum up discussions we started around this topic | 15:25 |
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| rcherrueau | So we start an informal discussion with the aim to get a good understanding of the specification of oslo_messaging | 15:27 |
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| ad_rien_ | so much works :)? | 15:28 |
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| kgiusti | most of the conversation is to define the aspects of the high level API | 15:28 |
| rcherrueau | So we try to categorise the different oslo_messaging feature (ie. rpc.call, rpc.cast, notify ...) regarding to three properties that commonly arise when you wanna compare messaging paradims | 15:28 |
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| kgiusti | rcherrueau: +1 | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | ok cool | 15:29 |
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| rcherrueau | Lemme put the three properties into the pad | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | (let's consider that we have five minutes for getting a summary: what has been discussed and what are plans for the next two weeks) | 15:30 |
| rcherrueau | see line 410 | 15:30 |
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| rcherrueau | The aim of this work is the following: we need to correctly understand what oslo_messaging is supposed to do, before discussing/understanding the different backend (RMQ/ZMQ/QPid ...) | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | (mabderrahim: do you know whether monasca is using oslo.messaging ? probably a naive question but in case…., I know it leverages kafka but I would like to know whether it is using kafka through oslo.messaging or any other API?) | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: I could write a sum up of the discussion for the next meeting if you want. | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | yes please | 15:34 |
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| paul-andreraymon | We have had a good start on functional overview. It would be good if we could get some data on which features are most used. That discussion did not happen yet. | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | #action rcherrueau prepare a summary for the next meeting (i.e. put it in the pad thanks) | 15:34 |
| mabderrahim | Monasca uses Kafka directly | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | mabderrahim: thanks | 15:34 |
| mabderrahim | it does not rely on an other api | 15:34 |
| mabderrahim | welcome | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | paul-andreraymon: good point | 15:35 |
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| paul-andreraymon | How could we move forward on that? any suggestions? | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe ENOS (that I hope will be discussed later on) can help us to get such information | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | paul-andreraymon: yes you are. I wanna run some static analysis of the code for that. | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: do you agree? | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: yep | 15:36 |
| paul-andreraymon | +1 | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so, leveraging the overview rcherrueau is going to do, it would be great to invite the oslo.messaging core developers and get their feedbacks | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok anything else on that point ? | 15:36 |
| kgiusti | I'll reach out and invite them | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | so maybe we can have a brief overview regarding the AMQP stresser | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | jfpeltier: can you give us a few elements regarding the stresser ? | 15:37 |
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| jfpeltier | yes tests are still in progress, I plan to do a presentation tomorrow with Abdelhadi | 15:38 |
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| jfpeltier | For the time being we don't manage to separate stress to the Rabbimq controller from stress on the newtworking part | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | ok is the code on github ? | 15:38 |
| jfpeltier | yes I send link | 15:38 |
| paul-andreraymon | jfpeltier: in what forum are you making this presentation? | 15:39 |
| jfpeltier | https://github.com/Carroll/osnoise | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry paul-andreraymon | 15:39 |
| jfpeltier | Presentation is slides/discussion | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | an internal meeting we have tomorrow | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | we will push the links toward slides in the pad | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | so everyone can see them by the next meeting | 15:39 |
| paul-andreraymon | Thanks! | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | (sorry for the missunderstandings) | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://github.com/Carroll/osnoise AMQP stresser tools (developed by OL) | 15:41 |
| jfpeltier | the good news is that we manage to put a lot of stress on amqp contrller | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:41 |
| jfpeltier | the bad news are that it may not be very representative of real massively distributed solution where stress is not put on a single component | 15:42 |
| jfpeltier | (nor link) | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | I hope we wil be able to discuss a bit more this tool next time (and see how it can be integrated in a framework link Enos) | 15:42 |
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| jfpeltier | we want to discuss this in the presentation | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | so I propose to move forward | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | if there is no more question on that point. | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | seems not | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ECOMP | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | Jamey put the link in the etherpad for the doodle | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | Please all if you are interested by the presentation | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | fit the doodle by | 15:44 |
| jamemcc | Thanks Adrien | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | let's say by friday ? | 15:44 |
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| jamemcc | Good so I can schedule by Monday Morning | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: do you think it would be possible for you to extend the doodle now so that every one can fill it asap | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:45 |
| jamemcc | UST | 15:45 |
| jamemcc | YEah - I did - shoudl show through APril 5 now | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:46 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so I propose we move forward | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | unless there is particular question? | 15:46 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding ECOMP? | 15:46 |
| paul-andreraymon | Can we get a copy of the slides ahead of the presentation? | 15:47 |
| jamemcc | Makes sense - will try | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:47 |
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| ad_rien_ | #jamemcc will send slides before the presentation | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | #action irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#jamemcc will send slides before the presentation | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | #all please fill the doodle if you are interested by taking part in the discussion on ECOMP (please see the pad line 427) | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic ENOS | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | @msimonin @rcherrueau ? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | pleas go aehad | 15:49 |
| rcherrueau | OK, lemme start with the link of the procjet | 15:49 |
| rcherrueau | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/enos | 15:49 |
| rcherrueau | So Enos is a tool for Performance analysis of OpenStack | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/17952/toward-fog-edge-and-nfv-deployments-evaluating-openstack-wanwide (Enos Boston presentation) | 15:50 |
| rcherrueau | it lets you deploy an OpenStack, then run some bench and finally get Network/CPU/RAM usage | 15:50 |
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| rcherrueau | Enos comes with a DSL, so that you can easily describe the topology of your OpenStack | 15:51 |
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| rcherrueau | Actually we support 3 providers to deploy OpenStack | 15:52 |
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| rcherrueau | g5k and chameleon that are research testbed | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://www.chameleoncloud.org Chameleon | 15:53 |
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| rcherrueau | and vbox (for development) | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://www.grid5000.fr/mediawiki/index.php/Grid5000:Home Grid'500 testbed | 15:53 |
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| rcherrueau | The fun part is that chameleon is operate through an OpenStack so with Enos you can deploy, more generally, OpenStack over OpenStack | 15:54 |
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| rcherrueau | and then run bench, ... | 15:54 |
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| rcherrueau | FYI, chameleon provides both baremetal and vm resources | 15:55 |
| rcherrueau | We recently integrate osprofiler that produces traces of your OpenStack | 15:55 |
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| rcherrueau | So, I hope we could use this to understand better interaction that use the message bus. | 15:56 |
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| rcherrueau | ad_rien_: I don't know if we have time for question? | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | I think we should conclude | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | so please add content directly in the pad | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic opendiscussion | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | (sorry for being restrictive but we run out of time) | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | so I just added a new etherpad for our face to face meeting in Boston and more generally to try to apply a divide and conquer strategy | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | so you will see for instance in | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Massively_distributed_wg_boston_summit face to face meeting in Boston | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | that I propose to list all rpesentations/sessions that make sense for our WG | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | by this way we will be able to try to cover/attend most of the presentations and then exchanges during our face to face meeting that is scheduled on Wednedsay afternoon | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | I will give your more details next time | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanks all for joining the meeting | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | let's continue by mail or by the pad | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:59 |
| jamemcc | thanks | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 15:59:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-29-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-29-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| rcherrueau | thanks | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-03-29-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 16:00:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| mdovgal | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu_ | hello | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| wxy| | hello | 16:00 |
| viks | o/ | 16:00 |
| bluex | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:01 |
| rarora | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | I've made a pass through the new drivers. Most are not ready, but some are really close. I think the Veritas one was almost there. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | So some attention on those would be great. | 16:01 |
| kaisers_ | Hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114656.html Bugsmash info | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | There is another bugsmash event announced. | 16:02 |
| viks | :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I was able to attend last time and thought it was very useful. | 16:02 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Would be great if we can get some core attention on those reviews. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I know it would really help. | 16:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, what are our bug stats? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: We have bugs. :P | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | http://cinderstats-dellstorage.rhcloud.com/ | 16:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, lol and here I thought we were perfect | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Some bug info in that link ^ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I really should take a pass through cleaning up in launchpad again. | 16:04 |
| tommylikehu_ | btw, suzhou city is a best place if anyone would like to get to know the chinese traditional architecture :) | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Will there be a way to know which patches are coming out of the bug smash? | 16:04 |
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| bswartz | .o/ | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So we can help out there if we aren't at the event? | 16:04 |
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| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: There is an etherpad we can post that shows what's being worked on. | 16:04 |
| diablo_rojo | We could make a list of things we want people to look at/work on. I think we have done that before? | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: That would be useful! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | And a great way to focus some attention. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | There will be more info as it gets closer, but just wanted to mention the event here. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Sounds like a good idea. Have anyone willing to put that together? | 16:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, could do it at the forum | 16:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | since the event is after that | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Don't need any responses immediately, but it would be great if we had a docs liason. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ Good idea. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | That's defaulted to me, but honestly I've been doing a crap job of it. | 16:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, thanks :) | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I was wondering about that the other day. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Just need someone to attend (or read the logs) of the docs meetings and make sure we are aware of doc needs for Cinder. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Stable/Newton branch moves to security only fixes April 6 | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | If you are over worked there smcginnis I can try to take it on. Lets talk later. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yep, later's good. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | With the change from the 6 month cadence with Ocata, that made Newton go a little beyond the new release. | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, I think we are all a little overworked ;) | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | That now will be changing to the more resticted backport phase. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | So just an FYI in case you had anything you wanted to backport. Now's the time. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | And hopefully one final announcement - I'll be on vacation next week. | 16:09 |
| tommylikehu_ | how long | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, have fun in Japan :) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I'll likely check in from time to time, but I will definitely not be around as much as usual. | 16:09 |
| viks | :O | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I should be back online by the 10th. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | If people need help getting stable backports through, let me know. | 16:09 |
| tommylikehu_ | thanks, jungleboyj | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Though probably busy on other things for a little bit at the beginning of that week. | 16:09 |
| bswartz | +1 for vacations | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu_: No problem. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | OK... | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I will also be out but planning to check in from time to time. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #topic Using exception in 'user message' | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: All yours | 16:10 |
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| tommylikehu_ | thanks | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448384/ | 16:10 |
| tommylikehu_ | I had this idea when I try to add more useage of user messages. I found it a little unclean to add more async task error details | 16:10 |
| tommylikehu_ | this is the initial patch when I add more use messages | 16:11 |
| tommylikehu_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447975/1/cinder/volume/manager.py | 16:11 |
| tommylikehu_ | I think we try to get more detail error messages with detecting the exception type | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | So the one thing I don't like about this is these user messages are meant for users. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | And exceptions have internal detail that really should not be shown to users. | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | But I like the idea of getting more detail in the user messages. | 16:12 |
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| eharney | isn't this just generating more specific messages based on which exception, but not passing exception info to the user? | 16:12 |
| tommylikehu_ | we can fix this by building the relationship from exception to uesr messages | 16:12 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: yes | 16:12 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1, good point | 16:13 |
| tommylikehu_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448384/ | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | OK, in that case I think it's good. Just don't want tracebacks in end user messages. | 16:13 |
| * smcginnis needs to review the patch yet so should probably shut up | 16:13 | |
| tommylikehu_ | this idea has a disadvantage that we could lose the message ids | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +2 . But I think tommylikehu_ is headed in the right direction trying to get users a better idea of what has happened with an exception. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | I think we want the message IDs though. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: How are those used? | 16:16 |
| eharney | want them where? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Returned | 16:16 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: there is another solution that we can keep the relationship from exception class to message ids | 16:16 |
| eharney | you don't have to return them, you can query for messages related to the object (snapshot id) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | I think the plan was to have the message IDs be useful in being able to google the ID to get more info. | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | ameade: I don't suppose you are around? | 16:17 |
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| tommylikehu_ | upper user could take advantage of these message ids | 16:17 |
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| tommylikehu_ | to track what exactly happened during the async tasks | 16:18 |
| xyang2 | I thought the original proposal was to eventually show the messages in horizon | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Thanks, I'll take a look through that so I stop making assumptions. :) | 16:18 |
| eharney | xyang2: that is being worked on | 16:18 |
| xyang2 | eharney: ok | 16:18 |
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| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: ok | 16:18 |
| eharney | at any rate, just firing a message like this code does and doing nothing else is a large improvement | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh, IBM had added those internally. Yeah, if we had them documented and googleable, that would be good. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Thanks for bringing it up here. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Anything else we should discuss? Or just need people to review? | 16:19 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: yes, gather more reviews | 16:19 |
| tommylikehu_ | :) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: OK, thanks! | 16:19 |
| * eharney is glad to see work continuing in this area | 16:19 | |
| smcginnis | #topic Veritas HyperScale cinder driver update | 16:19 |
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| tommylikehu_ | and hope we could decide which way to go | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Me too. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Agreed. | 16:19 |
| viks | ih | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | viks: Hey | 16:20 |
| viks | is running stable http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=cinder | 16:20 |
| viks | all the review comments till date are addressed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382097/ | 16:20 |
| viks | :) | 16:20 |
| viks | suggest next actions | 16:20 |
| viks | also | 16:20 |
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| viks | Seeking some attension on review of our OS-brick at:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442754/ | 16:21 |
| viks | We have started work on CI for OS-brick, just wanted to know if CI a gating factor for os-brick? | 16:21 |
| viks | hushh... | 16:21 |
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| e0ne | viks: I'll review both of them tomorrow | 16:22 |
| viks | great :) | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | viks: We strongly encourage CI on os-brick if you have a connector there. But we have not enforced a strict policy on it. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Yet. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | viks: I will take a look as well. | 16:22 |
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| viks | if reviews are done and addressed with running CI...we will try for Pike 1 milestone :) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | viks: Seems like it's on a good track to be able to get in by then. | 16:23 |
| viks | Thanks smcginnis :) | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:23 |
| viks | :) | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | Look at all the smiling people. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:23 |
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| viks | thanks jungleboys | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:24 |
| wxy| | about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444734/ I want to know if it's in the right direction. | 16:24 |
| eharney | i broke the LIO CI job yesterday, i have a patch up to try to fix it now | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | We have over 30 minutes to bike shed on something. :) | 16:24 |
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| wxy| | do we need it? | 16:24 |
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| eharney | it should be testing w/ barbican once that works | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Link? | 16:24 |
| eharney | smcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451443/ | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Thanks | 16:25 |
| bswartz | obviously the bike shed should be painted white | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | wxy|: I think so. I'll try to take a look this afternoon. | 16:25 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, bikeshed on who's going to be at dockercon? | 16:25 |
| wxy| | smcginnis: thanks, if so, I'll complete it later. | 16:26 |
| Swanson | wxy|, was looking for that the other day. Seems like a good thing to have. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Oh, sure. But that reminds me. Can we get a rough idea of who is actually going to be at the Summit? | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:27 |
| bswartz | s/Summit/Forum/ | 16:27 |
| eharney | o/ | 16:27 |
| diablo_rojo | \o/ | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:27 |
| blancos | Patrole (#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole) is an RBAC testing framework within QA. We're currently working on setting up project-specific gates, and we were wondering if Cinder was interested in one | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Fine> :P | 16:27 |
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| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:27 |
| bswartz | don't blame me, I'm not the one who changed the name | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: and hemna as well. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | blancos: Any more background info about what it is? | 16:28 |
| kaisers_ | Probably o/ | 16:28 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:28 |
| blancos | smcginnis Sure! | 16:28 |
| bluex | Some comments on HA races prevention blueprint would be welcome - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429947/ | 16:28 |
| blancos | Basically, we test individual policies from the policy.json (in Cinder's case, although our framework also works with oslo policy checker and code defaults) to make sure that each policy is being enforced correctly | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | blancos: Oh nice. Yes, that sounds like it would be a good thing to have for Cinder. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I know we've had issues there. | 16:30 |
| xyang2 | o/ | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | blancos: So are you offering to add a job for Cinder? Or letting us know we can do that if we want? :) | 16:30 |
| xyang2 | me too | 16:31 |
| blancos | smcginnis We're currently gauging interest from the projects we have tests for. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: You are lagging today. ;-) | 16:31 |
| blancos | smcginnis We'd be happy to add it | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | blancos: Well, could us interested. ;) | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | blancos: Thanks! | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | *count | 16:31 |
| xyang2 | jungleboy: I couldn't see my typing:) | 16:31 |
| blancos | smcginnis Sure. We'll let you know when the gates are ready to go | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: Neither could we. :-( | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj, xyang2: Hah! | 16:32 |
| xyang2 | :) | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | blancos: Cool, will be nice to see what that shows. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Looks like at least a good core turn out for the Summit/Forum. | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | Glad to see that. | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone have anything else? | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone! | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:34 |
| mdovgal | thank you | 16:34 |
| viks | thanks | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks smcginnis :) | 16:34 |
| kaisers_ | Thanks | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 16:34:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-29-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-29-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-03-29-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
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| bh526r_ | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 18:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
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| pcarver | hi | 18:00 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r_ | Hi Paul | 18:00 |
| bh526r_ | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
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| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:00 |
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| bh526r_ | Hi Kamil | 18:01 |
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| krenczewski | Hi Bin | 18:01 |
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| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:01 |
| bh526r_ | Hi Georg | 18:02 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We are planning PoC/demo for OpenStack Summit in Boston | 18:03 |
| georgk | hi | 18:03 |
| bh526r_ | #info There are several opportunities | 18:03 |
| bh526r_ | #info First is SDN NFV (Nirvana Stack) Mini-Summit on Thursday May 11 | 18:04 |
| bh526r_ | #info Second is OPNFV Open Source Days Mini Summit on Monday May 8 | 18:04 |
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| bh526r_ | ##info Third is in AT&T Booth in Marketplace | 18:05 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Fourth is that we can also demo Gluon in OPNFV Booth in Marketplace at various times | 18:05 |
| bh526r_ | #info I have also submitted a proposal of a session in Forum: | 18:06 |
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| bh526r_ | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/47 | 18:06 |
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| bh526r_ | #info We will have lots of activities in Boston. Hope you all can make it | 18:07 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic PoC Update for Boston Summit | 18:07 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/PoC-Boston | 18:07 |
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| bh526r_ | #info The scope description and general tasks and steps are in wiki [age | 18:08 |
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| bh526r_ | #info 1. Lab Status | 18:09 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Georg has re-deployed Fuel OpenStack, and will re-deploy and re-verify Gluon there | 18:09 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Robert also set up the hardware in Santa Clara, and configured 2 networks. He will complete setting up admin network and install NetReady there. | 18:10 |
| bh526r_ | #info 2. Contrail Status | 18:11 |
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| krenczewski | +I was able to install Contrail today | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | #info Kamil found issues with deploying Contrail. And he is able to install Contrail now. | 18:11 |
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| krenczewski | I need to check couple of things and do some configuration | 18:11 |
| bh526r_ | great news | 18:11 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:11 |
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| krenczewski | but this should be easy now | 18:12 |
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| bh526r_ | Sounds good. Then you can try to make mechanism driver work, right? | 18:12 |
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| krenczewski | So next steps are: configure and later deploy mechanis driver on control node | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | Yes | 18:12 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Kamil's next step is to configure and later deploy Mechanism Driver on controller node | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info So we are one more step forward | 18:13 |
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| bh526r_ | #info 3. L3VPN YAML and API | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #info Georg has submitted a patch | 18:14 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450917/ | 18:15 |
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| bh526r_ | #info There is a build failure. Log is here: | 18:16 |
| bh526r_ | #link http://logs.openstack.org/17/450917/1/check/gate-gluon-python27-ubuntu-xenial/6b5c5a3/console.html | 18:16 |
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| bh526r_ | anyone has insight about this error "oslo_config.cfg.NoSuchOptError: no such option sqlite_db in group [database]"? | 18:17 |
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| georgk | well, I think the sqlite_db option is nowhere defined as a configruation option | 18:18 |
| georgk | so i am wondering why the tests succeeded at all before | 18:19 |
| georgk | that´s my current understanding | 18:19 |
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| bh526r_ | it might be related to patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446776/, which removed those imports that are not explicitly used in code | 18:19 |
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| bh526r_ | I remember several months ago, there was a similar effort to remove unused import, but Tom said that that unused import is actually used implicitly | 18:21 |
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| bh526r_ | ok, let's dig further offline | 18:26 |
| bh526r_ | #info 4. SFC YAML, P2P YAML and ELAN YAML | 18:26 |
| bh526r_ | #info Georg, Robert/Ian and Eric/Ian will work on it respectively | 18:27 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic Pike Release Tasks | 18:28 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Pike | 18:29 |
| bh526r_ | #info Thanks to Jin, Georg and everyone that signed up for some tasks | 18:29 |
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| bh526r_ | That's all from my side | 18:30 |
| bh526r_ | #topic AOB | 18:31 |
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| bh526r_ | anything else to discuss except debugging the sqllite_db issue? | 18:31 |
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| georgk | no, i am good | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | @georgk, this might be helpful: | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/commit/master | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | Merge "Remove deprecated config option sqlite_db" | 18:33 |
| georgk | oh, yes | 18:33 |
| bh526r_ | It was done 5 days ago | 18:33 |
| georgk | ah, i checked the wrong repo | 18:33 |
| georgk | oslo.config instead of oslo.db | 18:34 |
| georgk | thanks for the hint | 18:34 |
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| bh526r_ | sure. any idea to fix it? | 18:34 |
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| bh526r_ | one way might indicate the oslo version !>= x.x.x so to rely on the oslo.db before the deprecation | 18:36 |
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| georgk | maybe that´s one way to fix it, but i guess this is no permanent fix | 18:37 |
| jinli | In the bottom of the page Bin posted , they have some suggestions | 18:37 |
| jinli | +upgrade: | 18:38 |
| jinli | 3 + - The configuration option ``sqlite_db`` is removed. Pease use | 18:38 |
| jinli | 4 + configuration option ``connection`` or ``slave_connection`` | 18:38 |
| jinli | 5 + to connect to the database. | 18:38 |
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| georgk | yeap, let´s do that | 18:38 |
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| bh526r_ | Yup, that's the right way. | 18:40 |
| bh526r_ | Will you submit an updated patch set with this fix? | 18:40 |
| georgk | i can take a look | 18:41 |
| bh526r_ | Great | 18:41 |
| georgk | but i suggest to create a new patchse | 18:41 |
| georgk | t | 18:41 |
| georgk | to not mix the bugfix and the API extension | 18:42 |
| bh526r_ | sure. | 18:42 |
| bh526r_ | perhaps the new patch first. | 18:42 |
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| bh526r_ | Hope the new patch works well to fix the deprecated sqlite_db | 18:43 |
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| bh526r_ | I greped the code, and sqlite_db is only used in gluon/tests/db/base.py | 18:45 |
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| bh526r_ | ok, good. | 18:46 |
| bh526r_ | anything else? | 18:46 |
| bh526r_ | Are you good, georgk? | 18:47 |
| bh526r_ | if nothing else, we can adjourn and give back 12 minutes to everyone | 18:48 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:48 |
| bh526r_ | #endmeeting | 18:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 18:48:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-29-18.00.html | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-29-18.00.txt | 18:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-03-29-18.00.log.html | 18:48 |
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| bh526r_ | Thank you all and bye | 18:49 |
| krenczewski | Thanks, bye | 18:49 |
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| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 19:00:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 19:00 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
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| SotK | I know of no announcement things | 19:01 |
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| SotK | #topic Urgent Items | 19:01 |
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| SotK | similarly, nothing is URGENT right now | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 19:01 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:01 |
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| SotK | hey diablo_rojo | 19:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | One could debate that my branching patch is urgent :) | 19:02 |
| SotK | that is a fair suggestion | 19:02 |
| * SotK will review it after this meeting | 19:02 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | is anything blocked by it rn? | 19:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | My own ignorance is quite the block | 19:02 |
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| fungi | was there a project which needed that before migration? | 19:03 |
| SotK | there are some projects that can't migrate until it is done in the list that diablo_rojo asked me to test the other week | 19:03 |
| SotK | I don't recall which ones off the top of my head | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | aha, are those written up anywhere? | 19:03 |
| fungi | okay, so that would count as something blocked by it | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah basically any project that has bugs and stuff against branches other than master | 19:04 |
| SotK | zara_the_lemur__: they are in depths of the IRC log | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | >_< | 19:04 |
| SotK | but yeah we're going to need it merged sooner rather than later | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Reviews please :) I think I am getting close, but I am not sure what else I am missing. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437469/ | 19:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | The sooner that gets done the more projects open up as available candidates for migration | 19:07 |
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| SotK | there are probably others we could look at migrating in the meantime too though, are any other folk ready to migrate yet? | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Craton has been chomping at the bit which is good. | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we also said Cloudkitty was good? | 19:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | Swift also showed interest back at the PTG- I dont remember if we tested their project yet though. | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | If we can get a few more on a list of projects that are ready, I can start coordinating with them again like we did for the last wave. | 19:10 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ just remembers cloudkitty needed the user emails fix; I don't know the status there beyond that (but that fix has merged fwiw) | 19:10 | |
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| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, yeah I think that emails conflict was the only issue if I recall | 19:11 |
| SotK | I think craton was safe to migrate when I tested it | 19:11 |
| SotK | cloudkitty was except for the email thing | 19:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, cool. | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Swift? | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I can pick out a few to test if you have some time ;) | 19:11 |
| SotK | I've not tested swift yet iirc | 19:11 |
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| * SotK has a little time today, yeah :) | 19:12 | |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio I will pick some out :) | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | can someone note them in a story? | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't have an amazing memory for irc logs | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, sure :) | 19:13 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that way I won't ask the same question like 8 times | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | I was just gonna go clean up the ones from the projects that have moved over, unless someone else has done that already | 19:13 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | hah, I'd got as far as opening https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876 | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so, nope | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | updated some tasks now | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, cool :) | 19:15 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | though one should probably be linked to a different project (the non-master branch imports) | 19:15 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | since it didn't block that project | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | agreed | 19:16 |
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| SotK | other in progress work is my boards patches, which I did half a job of fixing yesterday and hopefully will finish fixing today | 19:19 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:20 |
| SotK | and zara_the_lemur__ is working on removing story_types as discussed a couple of weeks ago I believe | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha yeah I finally sent a thing | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I suspect it needs a db migration | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | the idea here is to get to a place where we can flatten our db migrations | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | SO THAT | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we can speed up our tests | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | SO THAT they don't time out all the time | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | SO THAT they don't need a billion rechecks | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and since the necessary patch seemed to be 'remove a bunch of stuff nobody cares about', I thought I could probably actually get round to that | 19:22 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I've -2'd since it's completely untested (and yeah I suspect it needs the db migration, since I removed story_types from wmodels?) | 19:23 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/451505 | 19:23 |
| * SotK will look at that later too if you like? | 19:24 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | sure, if you get time | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think it is ready for eyes | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I noticed while doing that that we have a whole load of tests that are skipped | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that we're likely never to use | 19:24 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | since they were planned tests for an implementation we're not using | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I didn't want to muddy up the commit | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | with somewhat-unrelated things | 19:24 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | but those should probably also go | 19:25 |
| SotK | indeed they should | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I may just send a separate patch for that | 19:26 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | mainly motivated by wanting to send some patch that I don't instantly -2 for a change, I admit | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it's not high priority | 19:27 |
| fungi | my recollection of the swift discussion was that they were interested in using some of the worklist/board functionality but i'm not sure they expressed an interest in defect tracking such that they'd be ready for us to import all their bugs and switch away from lp entirely | 19:27 |
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| fungi | would probably want to double-check before pressing forward on that front | 19:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah I was going to talk to them again about it all. | 19:30 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | cool | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I just thought it would be cool to get a larger/more lively project over. | 19:30 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ has not spoken to anyone since ptg so is interested to see how that goes | 19:30 | |
| diablo_rojo | I'll put it on the todo list for tomorrow | 19:31 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll reach out to cloudkitty too. | 19:31 |
| SotK | craton too? :) | 19:31 |
| * SotK wants more migration :D | 19:32 | |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, I put together a random list of other projects to test here: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45 | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | I made each project a worklist so if there are things that are wrong we can make the tasks there. | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | then we need someone from a migrated project to volunteer to write a blogpost about the experience... :D | 19:32 |
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| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, OMG YES THATS BRILLIANT | 19:33 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: thanks, I shall get testing soon | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | DRAMATIC TRUE STORIES: 'I migrated to StoryBoard' | 19:33 |
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| SotK | I already tested mistral actually, I think they are dependent on the branches patch (though I may be misremembering and will retest and document better this time) | 19:33 |
| * fungi is mildly worried we might get that article bookended by exposes on batboy and elvis | 19:34 | |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, if none of the ones I picked are without errors, I will try to find another one or two that can move so we can do another round with Craton in the next week or so. | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, that sounds vaguely familiar. | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | fungi: :D tbf would totally read | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | This is where storyboard and tasks would come in handy ;) | 19:34 |
| SotK | also +1 for blog post! | 19:35 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: heh, yes :) | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I can also add that to the todo list- Circle back to those that migrated and see if one is interested. | 19:35 |
| SotK | thanks | 19:36 |
| SotK | I suspect we can move into discussion now, given we are discussing already | 19:36 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:36 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | quick, everyone stop discussing! >:) | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | What else do I need to be doing? I have threeish todo's + the branches patch. | 19:37 |
| * bkero stops | 19:37 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | xD | 19:37 |
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| diablo_rojo | + code reviews :) | 19:37 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think that sounds like more than enough :) | 19:37 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm tentative about committing to one todo | 19:38 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I was meant to advertise this meeting in advance this week | 19:38 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I didn't | 19:38 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so... small goals | 19:38 |
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| SotK | :) | 19:38 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we do need to think about boston talk etc | 19:39 |
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| SotK | yeah, it would be good to start thinking about that soon | 19:39 |
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| * SotK is away for the next few days but happy to think anytime after that | 19:40 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:40 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | wfm | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | After that is fine :) | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | We got plenty of time | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | And the more of these migrations we get done the easier it will be to write the presentation | 19:40 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ is away to some extent from april 10th for a couple of weeks | 19:40 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm not sure whether it'll make a difference or not since I may still be about in the evenings | 19:41 |
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| SotK | diablo_rojo: indeed it will | 19:41 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (probably means I'll be a bit harder to contact than usual, though) | 19:41 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (otoh, irc is logged.) | 19:41 |
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| fungi | oh, did dtoryboard get added to the upstream dev track, or is there a forum session? | 19:43 |
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| fungi | i haven't been paying as close attention as i ought | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | @fungi: it's in the upstream dev track :) | 19:43 |
| fungi | ooh, i have a talk in that track too. cool kids club | 19:44 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:44 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:44 |
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| * fungi should get to writing some things to say | 19:44 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:44 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well there's always the elvis expose as a fallback | 19:45 |
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| fungi | true, i saw him in a trailer park outside louisville | 19:46 |
| fungi | long live the king | 19:46 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but had he migrated from launchpad yet | 19:46 |
| fungi | sure, he had just returned from mars | 19:46 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:46 |
| SotK | :D | 19:47 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | should we be doing any other kind of forum session? | 19:48 |
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| fungi | unless there's a desire to try and get feedback from users/operators on entering defect reports as stories, probably not | 19:48 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I was wondering about on-boarding new contributors | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but our new-contributors tend to be from a slightly different pool | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | of people than new-contributors for other projects | 19:49 |
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| fungi | and honestly i still think we'd be better off adding a second frontend re-theming the webclient as a simplified bug reporting interface | 19:49 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I was going to cover SB more in the upstream training this round. | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (since we're a project used by developers on the other projects....) | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah | 19:49 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I was thinking for the side of 'developing storyboard itself' but I'm not sure it's the right venue for getting people up to speed on that | 19:50 |
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| fungi | yeah, if upstream training says "look in the repo's readme file to see where you should find bug reports, and here's the two we commonly use: storyboard and launchpad..." | 19:50 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | that has reminded me that the project creators' guide doesn't mention storyboard yet | 19:51 |
| SotK | we should fix that :) | 19:51 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I made a story, don't think I got round to sending a patch | 19:51 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: well, also the onboarding schedule is pretty much full-up from what someone told me | 19:51 |
| fungi | (that someone might very well have been in this meeting) | 19:51 |
| fungi | yeah, a patch to the infra manual giving sb options anywhere lp gets a mention isn't a bad idea | 19:52 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | fungi +1 | 19:52 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (oh yeah I didn't mean an official session, bad choice of wording on my part, more a 'we'll be in this room at this time if you want us' and try to be organised and have some materials to hand...) | 19:52 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Hopefully those people will go to our talk | 19:53 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: you can definitely schedule some ad hoc hacking space. diablo_rojo_phon sent a message to the -dev ml talking about reserving hacking rooms if interest arises | 19:54 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | What a nice plug for my ml thread :) | 19:54 |
| fungi | or even just find a semi-quiet corner | 19:54 |
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| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114703.html Forum Details Summary- Hacking & Onboarding Rooms, Session Proposals & More! | 19:55 |
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| * fungi thanks diablo_rojo_phon for the well-written summary | 19:55 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It was my pleasure :) | 19:56 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:56 |
| * SotK reads | 19:56 | |
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| SotK | anything else to discuss, or shall we finish a tiny bit early? | 19:58 |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I think that's all for now :) | 19:59 |
| SotK | thanks all! | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 19:59:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-29-19.00.html | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-29-19.00.txt | 19:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-03-29-19.00.log.html | 19:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks! | 19:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 20:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
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| knangia | o/ | 20:00 |
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| knangia | Hi, how you doing ? | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Khanak! how are you? | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 20:00 |
| MeganR | Hi | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Kendall, Hi Megan! | 20:01 |
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| knangia | very well...thank you :) | 20:01 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I don't see Nicole online yet | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen_alt | maybe we'll give her a few minutes | 20:02 |
| knangia | sure | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi Nicole! | 20:04 |
| NicoleH | Hi Emily! | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic Boston planning | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so Nicole do you want to give an update on Boston from your end? | 20:05 |
| NicoleH | sure! | 20:05 |
| NicoleH | here's what i have ... | 20:05 |
| NicoleH | 1. we've signed off on the abstract for the session, and it is in the process of being posted. | 20:06 |
| NicoleH | 2. the time has changed to lunch on Monday, rather than the early morning time, i think? | 20:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | That is correct! | 20:06 |
| NicoleH | cool! | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | *YAY* for not having to get up early | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Yay for not getting up BEFORE the keynotes!! | 20:06 |
| NicoleH | i know -- that's so awesome! | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, great minds think alike | 20:07 |
| NicoleH | and i think it may mean that more people show up on time! woo hoo! | 20:07 |
| NicoleH | i guess we'll test that theory, huh?! | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, hopefully it shouldn't be so hard to get mentors to show up 15 minutes ahead of time! | 20:07 |
| knangia | yes | 20:07 |
| NicoleH | 3. we're in the process of signing off on the baseball cards & caps. i can send samples to the team via email. | 20:07 |
| diablo_rojo | NicoleH, can't wait to see :) | 20:08 |
| knangia | +1 | 20:08 |
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| NicoleH | cool! | 20:08 |
| knangia | so, who all are joining the boston summit here ? | 20:08 |
| NicoleH | i think you'll really like them! | 20:08 |
| knangia | just curious to see you guys ;) | 20:08 |
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| NicoleH | i'll be there! | 20:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Needless to say, I will be :) | 20:08 |
| knangia | i'll be there too | 20:09 |
| * ekhugen_alt is so excited for the baseball cards and caps | 20:09 | |
| ekhugen_alt | I'll be there | 20:09 |
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| * knangia excited to see baseball cards | 20:09 | |
| NicoleH | awesome! | 20:09 |
| MeganR | Unfortunately, I won't be there, but I know you will knock this out of the park (Fenway)!! | 20:09 |
| knangia | great !! | 20:09 |
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| ekhugen_alt | aww, we will miss you MeganR | 20:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | MeganR, clever :) | 20:09 |
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| NicoleH | thanks, megan! i'm so sorry -- we'll miss you. | 20:10 |
| knangia | ohh MeganR , we will miss you | 20:10 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so it sounds like things are really moving along NicoleH, is there anything you need help with on your end? | 20:11 |
| knangia | so, we all are meeting Moday lunch in Bosotn ? have we decided the exact venue yet....like where will be the mentoring sessions | 20:11 |
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| NicoleH | yes, things are moving along! i think we're good for now. | 20:11 |
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| knangia | awesome NicoleH | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | knangia I don't think the foundation has released that info yet, the RSVP link I don't think is out | 20:12 |
| NicoleH | ultimately, we'll need to confirm our team of helpers/facilitators, and schedule the prep meeting with the mentors, but i think those things are a little further out. | 20:12 |
| spotz | I like getting up early... runs and hides:) | 20:12 |
| knangia | yes...we need to do the above things | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Updates from me before I gotta run- I talked to Erin today, the registration should go out in the next few days- she will send something out to the ML when its ready to get the ball rolling. As for number of Mentors, we have 16 people signed up | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we were talking the week of April 17 for the prep meeing | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | and cool, thanks diablo_rojo | 20:13 |
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| NicoleH | cool, diablo_rojo, about the sign-ups! | 20:13 |
| knangia | +1 diablo_rojo | 20:13 |
| NicoleH | yes, emily, i think we were talking the week of apr 17. | 20:13 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think 16 mentors is pretty good, do we want to put another call for mentors out when the registration goes out? | 20:14 |
| NicoleH | yes, i think so ... | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt, I think the tweet is scheduled to go out again at some point, but another email wouldn't be a bad thing | 20:14 |
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| NicoleH | what number are we targeting? i was thinking between 20 & 25? | 20:14 |
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| ekhugen_alt | just basically the same email as last time + time and date and place? | 20:14 |
| knangia | yup ekhugen_alt | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good to me | 20:15 |
| knangia | but, how many menses are we thinking will sign up ? | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we were thinking 20-25 yes, so we had some extras, because there are always last minute conflicts/cancellations | 20:15 |
| knangia | *mentees | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | so if it's like austin (which I think will be a better comparison than barcelona) we had like 70 mentees | 20:15 |
| knangia | ok, then we need 20-25 mentors atleast | 20:16 |
| NicoleH | ok, cool on the target number of mentors. there are folks that i can reach out to across the community that i didn't yet see on the list of mentors who have signed up. am thinking maybe a personal touch might be a good follow-up after the next email goes out? | 20:16 |
| knangia | sure NicoleH | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | sure, that's a good idea NicoleH | 20:16 |
| NicoleH | cool! | 20:16 |
| knangia | I am also trying to get people in OSIC sign up by talking to them or reaching out | 20:17 |
| NicoleH | yes, knangia, i was thinking of that too! | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we could make do with 16, even if we lost people last minute and were down to 10, that's still probably only 7 mentees per table | 20:17 |
| NicoleH | sounds good! | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Its just a slightly different dynamic, but it will all work out one way or another :) | 20:18 |
| knangia | +1 NicoleH | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, I was just realizing that April 17 is closer than I thought, do we just want to use this timeslot for the mentor prep call? | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Works for me | 20:20 |
| MeganR | Good idea | 20:20 |
| knangia | works for me as well | 20:20 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, I can go ahead and schedule that now so it's on people's calendars | 20:21 |
| NicoleH | +1 great idea! | 20:21 |
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| ekhugen_alt | and I think the slides are pretty much updated (thanks, Nicole), maybe our next meeting we can go over those? | 20:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll be headed to DockerCon that day, but I will try to make it. | 20:22 |
| diablo_rojo | the 17th that is | 20:22 |
| knangia | also, for next monday's (April 3rd) WoO meeting, I have 2-3 speakers to share their experiences about past OpenStack summits...they have either been to summit or presented a talk | 20:23 |
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| ekhugen_alt | +1 knangia | 20:23 |
| NicoleH | if we're using this meeting during the week of apr 17 to prep the mentors, then we're talking specifically about apr 19, right? | 20:24 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, thanks for clarifying NicoleH | 20:24 |
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| knangia | yup, april 19 | 20:24 |
| NicoleH | cool! | 20:24 |
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| knangia | also, NicoleH do you want me to email the whole OSIC group for mentor sign up, till now I have announcing and reaching out on slack... | 20:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah yes, Monday and Wednesday are different days lol | 20:26 |
| NicoleH | yes, knangia, that'd be great! thanks! | 20:26 |
| knangia | i'll do...thanks :) | 20:26 |
| NicoleH | knangia, i'd like to see folks like kenny participate. | 20:26 |
| knangia | ahh...will try my best !!!!!!! | 20:27 |
| NicoleH | i can send a personal note to kenny as well. :) | 20:27 |
| knangia | sure...it will be good | 20:27 |
| NicoleH | if denise & val will be at the summit, they'd be great as mentors! | 20:27 |
| NicoleH | and walter bentley, too! | 20:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | Before I gotta run, anything else you need from me? | 20:29 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I can't think of anything, diablo_rojo, NicoleH did you have any more questions? | 20:29 |
| knangia | so, now we meet april 19 to discuss mentor prep | 20:29 |
| NicoleH | nope, i think we're good for now! | 20:29 |
| NicoleH | thanks everyone! | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks! Talk to you all later :) | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks! | 20:30 |
| knangia | thank you | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other topics or can we end early? | 20:30 |
| knangia | just confirming : next irc meeting : april 19 ? | 20:30 |
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| knangia | ekhugen_alt: ^^ | 20:31 |
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| ekhugen_alt | oh sorry, next meeting would be april 12, unless someone else wants to hold the one on april 5? | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | and then the meeting with mentors would be april 19 | 20:31 |
| knangia | cool | 20:32 |
| knangia | if we want meeting on april 5, then i can hold one | 20:32 |
| knangia | else we can skip | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I'm out on the 5th, so I'll let others weigh in | 20:32 |
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| knangia | cool...let me know | 20:33 |
| NicoleH | i don't think we need a meeting next week, from my end. but i do think we need a quick sync to prep for the mentor prep meeting -- or at least, a sync on what we've received from mentees, since we'll use their responses to guide part of the prep meeting. | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | NicoleH are you okay with doing that sync on the 12th or do you think it needs to be sooner? | 20:34 |
| knangia | so, when do we want to do that ? | 20:34 |
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| NicoleH | actually, apr 12 would be ideal. | 20:34 |
| NicoleH | it'd give us more time to get the responses from the mentees. | 20:34 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, so we'll plan that to be our main topic for the april 12 irc meeting, along with going over the slides for the mentor prep meeting? | 20:35 |
| NicoleH | perfect! | 20:35 |
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| knangia | perfect | 20:35 |
| knangia | april 12th next meeting to prep | 20:35 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool, any other questions/topics? | 20:36 |
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| MeganR | I'm good | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, thanks everyone, we'll give you 22 minutes back! | 20:38 |
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| MeganR | sounds great - bye! | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 20:38:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-03-29-20.00.html | 20:38 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 29 21:00:26 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hey o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:01 |
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| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| timburke | hello | 21:01 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: here? | 21:01 |
| notmyname | onovy: here? | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | looks slightly smaller this week, but there's a few people on vacation i think | 21:02 |
| notmyname | agenda fro this week is | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | first, follow-ups from last week | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic stable gate failures | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: you were looking in to this. what did you find? | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | hi | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | OK so after running unit tests continually | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | I did find one failure that could be back ported | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | https://review.openstack.org/448854 | 21:04 |
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| mattoliverau | after that, it ran 272 more times before another intermittent bug was found | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | Further, all links reported are actually different test failures. | 21:05 |
| notmyname | interesting | 21:05 |
| notmyname | meaning that what you found isn't what is being reported? | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | The backported bug hit a 201 != 202 bug in a different place then one from the meeting, so I've been trying to track that down. | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | sorry, i'm here now | 21:06 |
| notmyname | thanks for looking in to that | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | so TL;DR: There isn't simply 1 intermittent failure, they are all different. And at least on the stable SAIO I'm running on they are pretty few and far bewteen. Maybe the zuul env is more flakey. And I'm not 100% sure this is just a stable problem. However at least 1 problem found was fixed in master so it's being backported. | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | Maybe I should run the same on master in another cloud instance and see how that goes. | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | I plan to continue looking, as I do it in the back ground | 21:06 |
| notmyname | with your proposed backport, I'm not sure how I feel about it | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | I have been putting notes here: | 21:07 |
| notmyname | on the one hand, it's simple, clear, and obvious | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | on the other, backporting tests only? seems odd | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_stable_newton_periodic_probs | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: sure, but if they were fixed in master and are causing failures, then maybe it is worth it, for small levels of worth it | 21:08 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah :-) | 21:08 |
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| timburke | notmyname: will it mean that we can better trust the gate for backports we *do* care about? does it mean that we get better signal from the periodic jobs? | 21:08 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: thanks for the etherpad notes | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | timburke: yeah. like I said, I'm conflicted :-) | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | just land everything | 21:09 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: anything more on that subject for now? | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | I;ve been scripting the runs that will drop me into a debugger shell which then I can poke around in via ipython, so I can just keep it running in tmux and then jump across and have a poke if something found.. so it;s something that can be done in the background | 21:10 |
| notmyname | nice | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | I mention how on my blog: https://oliver.net.au/?p=302 | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | cause otherwise I'd forget in the future :P | 21:11 |
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| jrichli | thanks for sharing! | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | also nose-pudb is useful ;) | 21:11 |
| jungleboyj | That is cool. | 21:11 |
| mathiasb | mattoliverau: that looks great, thanks! | 21:11 |
| acoles | the failures with KeyError: StoragePolicy are curious because it suggests policy (un)patching is either not happening or happening async | 21:11 |
| tdasilva | mathiasb: pudb curses? | 21:12 |
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| tdasilva | mattoliverau: ^^^ | 21:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah | 21:12 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: yeah I agree | 21:12 |
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| mattoliverau | tdasilva: yup | 21:12 |
| notmyname | let's come back to this again next week to see what else has been found? | 21:12 |
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| mattoliverau | kk | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | #topic backports | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | speaking of backports | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: I'm waiting for a policy bug to be a failure so I can pock around | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | poke even | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I backported jrichli's patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1657246 | 21:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657246 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Proxy logs wrong request method when validating SLO segments" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Janie Richling (jrichli) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | it applied cleanly to ocata | 21:13 |
| jrichli | thanks! | 21:13 |
| notmyname | but it brought in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449836/ for newton | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: if you could glance over those and give a +1 if they look right, I'd appreciate it | 21:14 |
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| jrichli | will do | 21:14 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | which leaves just https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444653/ open in backports | 21:15 |
| notmyname | so, more stuff to look at | 21:15 |
| notmyname | FWIW, I'm not in a rush to tag another backport release, and I definitely want to hear more from what mattoliverau finds before doing so | 21:15 |
| notmyname | #topic boston forum topics | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "boston forum topics (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:16 | |
| notmyname | I didn't see anything new added to the etherpad (which is good) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Swift-brainstorming | 21:16 |
| notmyname | and I proposed all the stuff to the forum topic submission site | 21:16 |
| notmyname | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org | 21:16 |
| kota_ | notmyname: thanks for that | 21:17 |
| notmyname | feel free to peruse those and leave lots of supporting comments for the ones you want to see discussed | 21:17 |
| notmyname | hmm...not much else to say about that :-) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | #topic TC golang resolution | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451524/ | 21:18 |
| notmyname | tdasilva wrote up a great overview for the TC | 21:18 |
| notmyname | this is the first step for the flavio process for getting not-python into openstack | 21:18 |
| notmyname | step one is technical justification | 21:18 |
| notmyname | step two is "do the work" | 21:18 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: great work - it's really well written - thank you | 21:19 |
| jrichli | good work tdasilva | 21:19 |
| notmyname | and when the TC approves step one, it means that we're good and our use of golang isn't to be further questioned | 21:19 |
| notmyname | yes, tdasilva did a great job on the writeup | 21:19 |
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| tdasilva | team effort and most of the credit should go to torgomatic | 21:20 |
| notmyname | please follow that patch. I expect that it would be brought up during one of the next two TC meetings (tuesdays), but it's already got some positive comments on it | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | and as a reminder, the golang work is part of the overall "fix rebalance" work. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/Fixing-rebalance-and-golang | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | any questions on the golang proposal? | 21:21 |
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| timburke | is it scoped to swift specifically, or all of openstack? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | timburke: swift | 21:22 |
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| timburke | should the title reflect that? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | and more specifically, swift's storage nodes | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | probably. but let's not make edits until they are requested by the TC | 21:22 |
| timburke | ya | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | ack | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | ok, last issue on the agenda that I wanted to bring up | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #topic DB replication issue | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | this is a bug filed by Pavel, and it looks like it might be a big deal | 21:24 |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1675500 | 21:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1675500 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Container/account disk drive fault results replication on all rest drives" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Pavel Kvasnička (pavel-kvasnicka) | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | the summary is that if a drive fails, the DB replicator might over-replicated the container (and account?) DBs | 21:24 |
| notmyname | timburke looked at it this morning and seemed to confirm it | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so it's at least a high priority bug | 21:25 |
| notmyname | might go up to critical based on what further investigation finds | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | at this point, we need some other people to duplicate the steps that Pavel wrote in teh bug report and then take it to the next step. try with more drives than a SAIO, more nodes, etc | 21:26 |
| notmyname | and see what the scope is and where it might be | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | timburke: any more to share on this, or did I get all that down correctly? | 21:26 |
| timburke | fwiw, i was doing the four drive, two replica variation from the bug report | 21:26 |
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| timburke | and wound up with a replica of some DBs on ever drive | 21:27 |
| timburke | every* | 21:27 |
| notmyname | a new replica each pass, right? | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | I'll take a look and try and recreate it best I can. I've spent alot of time in database replication thanks to sharding. | 21:28 |
| timburke | notmyname: yup | 21:28 |
| acoles | notmyname: I'll try to give tit some time | 21:28 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: you beat me to the question! thanks :-) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:28 |
| acoles | I need to spend more time in db replication code ;) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok, please leave notes in the bug and/or IRC | 21:28 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: ^^ | 21:28 |
| rledisez | is it specific for rings of 2 replica or it should apply for n replica? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | rledisez: great question. I don't know | 21:29 |
| notmyname | I wondered if it might be related to the odd/even quorum size | 21:29 |
| rledisez | i’m gonna test on a 3 replicas cluster then | 21:29 |
| notmyname | but that needs to be tested | 21:29 |
| notmyname | rledisez: thank you | 21:29 |
| timburke | from the bug report, it sounds like drives >= 2 * replicas? but yeah, please test | 21:30 |
| notmyname | oh, and timburke will be out after today on vacation, so don't ping him for it after about 3 hours from now | 21:30 |
| timburke | hehe | 21:30 |
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| mattoliverau | timburke deservers a vacation! | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | wow, my tpying is bad today.. I blame morning and no coffee | 21:31 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: not like he can walk down to the beach every day! | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | pftt, you could if you came for a visit ;) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:31 |
| timburke | mattoliverau: but it should a vacation in which i have enough of sharding loaded into my head to continue thinking about it in the back of my mind :-) | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: :) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up in today's meeting? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | i'm starting to think about the next release of swift and swiftclient | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | there's a few things in the works that I'd probably prefer to wait on (like resolution or triage of pavels bug) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | and a very nice perf patch to swiftcleint | 21:33 |
| notmyname | but keep the next release in the back of your mind | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | start thinking about stuff you want to see in it that's nearly ready to land | 21:33 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:33 |
| timburke | oh... speaking of... i wouldn't mind if someone else took a look at the test failure for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449771/ | 21:34 |
| timburke | and thinking hard about py2 vs py3 and what it means to be using a unicode buffer for our upload source... | 21:35 |
| timburke | and then deciding whether that test actually makes any sense to keep | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | right | 21:36 |
| timburke | i would ask joel, but he's not here :'( | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: could you take a look at timburke's patch there? | 21:36 |
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| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: please give me some minutes. | 21:38 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: sure. I just mean sometime soon. not right this moment | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | if not, we'll end early (yay!) | 21:39 |
| timburke | again, i'm out through all of next week, so no rush on my account. although if we want a release sooner, i'm also happy to have someone else push over the patch to get it in | 21:39 |
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| timburke | oh! are people OK with the change in behavior in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/446142/ ? | 21:40 |
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| timburke | i maintain that the exclusions in versioned_writes for DLOs are a bug | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clearly acoles is :-) | 21:41 |
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| tdasilva | timburke: i think I came up with another reason why DLOs are not versioned, but we can take it to #openstack-swift | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | or the patch | 21:42 |
| timburke | and when we pulled versioned_writes out to middleware we went for bug-for-bug compatibility which was totally the right call | 21:42 |
| timburke | but now i wanna fix the bug | 21:42 |
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| timburke | tdasilva: ya, that's fine | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ok, then let's close this meeting | 21:42 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift! | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 29 21:43:14 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-29-21.00.html | 21:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-29-21.00.txt | 21:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-03-29-21.00.log.html | 21:43 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 21:45 |
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