Tuesday, 2017-02-21

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hongbin#startmeeting zun03:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 21 03:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.03:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.03:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'zun'03:00
hongbin#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-02-21_0300_UTC Today's agenda03:00
hongbin#topic Roll Call03:00
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shubhamsShubham03:00
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kevinzkevinz03:00
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lakerzhoulakerzhou03:01
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hongbinthanks for joining the meeting shubhams kevinz lakerzhou03:01
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hongbinpause a few more seconds for more attendee03:01
kevinzOK03:01
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sudipto_o/03:02
digao/03:02
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hongbinsudipto_ diga hi, thanks for joining the meeting03:02
hongbinlet's get started03:02
hongbin#topic Review Action Items03:02
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hongbin1. hongbin send a ML to discuss the team mascot (hongbin)03:02
hongbin#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112171.html03:02
hongbinhere is the proposed choices03:03
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digahongbin: can we start cinder integration first03:03
hongbin1. Barrel03:03
hongbindiga: ok, go ahead03:03
hongbin#topic Cinder integration (diga)03:04
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hongbindiga: ^^03:04
digaI have completed base implementation, will push latest PS today03:04
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digaTests cases will try to complete this week03:05
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digaCLI work is not yet started03:05
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/03:05
digaBut will be able to complete everything by next meeting03:05
hongbindiga: awesome03:06
digaSorry for delay in work due to medical issues at home03:06
digahongbin: thanks03:06
hongbinno problem for that03:06
hongbindiga: thanks diga for the updates03:06
hongbinall, any question for this bp?03:06
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digahongbin: that's all from my side03:07
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hongbindiga: ok, thanks for joining the meeting03:07
digahongbin: will let you know if there is any03:07
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digahongbin: welcome03:07
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hongbinok, let's get back to the mascot topic03:07
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hongbinwe have several proposed choices of team mascot03:08
hongbin1. Barrel03:08
hongbin2. Storks03:08
hongbin3. Falcon03:08
hongbin4. Dolphins03:08
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hongbin5. Tiger03:08
hongbinwhich one you like most?03:09
digaDolphins03:09
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kevinz I vote for Barrel03:09
hongbindiga: kevinz ack03:10
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hongbini knew Qiming proposed Barrel03:10
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shubhams+1 for Barrel03:10
hongbinand pradeep proposed Dolphins03:11
hongbinok, Barrel has 3, and Dolphins has 203:11
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hongbinsudipto_: how about your opinion?03:12
hongbinpksingh: hey03:12
pksinghhello, sorry i am late03:12
sudipto_hongbin, either is fine, no choice :)03:12
hongbinpksingh: np, we are discussing the choice of mascots right now03:12
pksinghhongbin: hello03:12
hongbinsudipto_: -_-03:12
pksinghhongbin: so which one? :)03:13
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hongbinBarrel has 3, and Dolphins has 203:13
pksinghhongbin: barrel is annimal?03:13
hongbinpksingh: i counted your vote on Dolphins already03:13
hongbinpksingh: it doen't need to be an annimal03:13
pksinghhongbin: i think all project mascots are animals, i read it somewhere03:14
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hongbinpksingh: heat is not, senlin is not03:14
kevinzI just ask Wenzhi in Wechat and he is choice is Barrel03:14
pksinghhongbin: ok03:15
hongbinthen, it seems most people vote for barrel03:15
shubhamslooks like more votes for barrel03:15
hongbini guess the reason is tha tit is a container :)03:15
hongbinok, then let's choose barrel for now03:16
pksingh'We've limited project mascots to real creatures and natural features because we believe they are generally globally recognizable and offer rich flexibility for artistic interpretation. We also note that animals are often personified by characteristics and personality traits, which can help connect to the themes and functionality of the project.'03:16
sudipto_Barrel also looks like you have some scotch inside it? :)03:16
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hongbinpksingh: i see03:16
pksinghforest and flame are natural03:17
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hongbinyes, that is a valid point03:17
pksinghhttps://www.openstack.org/project-mascots/03:17
hongbinif we take out barrel, what are the favorite choices?03:17
hongbinlet's vote it again03:17
hongbin1. Storks03:17
hongbin2. Falcon03:17
hongbin3. Dolphins03:18
hongbin4. Tiger03:18
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pksinghmine 303:18
hongbinshubhams: kevinz diga ^^03:18
shubhamsbullock cart ? How about this?03:19
digaDolphins03:19
shubhamsSomething like this  : https://ui.cltpstatic.com/camp/images/ai/000/752/324/752324/published/w/bullock-cart-ride-2.jpg?146917003503:19
pksinghshubhams: bullock cart is not natural, right?03:19
kevinz+1 for Dolphins03:19
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shubhamspksingh: No, check out the image I have shared03:20
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shubhamspksingh: its like an animal who is carrying things.03:20
pksinghshubhams: ox or bull is OK, but i think bullock cart is man made thing03:21
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hongbinok, it looks dolphins is the favorite choice03:21
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pksinghhongbin: may be we can take more time if there is an option for that03:21
hongbinpksingh: sure03:21
shubhamspksingh:  bullock cart is incomplete without bull so can be taken into consideration03:21
hongbini will wait for a few more days for people to cast votes03:22
digapksingh: yeah, but let's avoid confusion by proposing other mascot03:22
sudipto_linux's mascot is a tux btw.03:22
sudipto_(penguin)03:22
digahongbin: let's choose from given list03:22
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hongbinok...03:23
hongbinlet's table this one03:23
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hongbini proposed everyone to cast their vote on the ml03:23
pksinghhongbin, why magnum choose shark, any idea?03:24
hongbinsimply reply your choice in this ml should be enough:   #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112171.html03:24
lakerzhoucan we use Barrel to replace the red blocks in openstack logo?03:24
hongbinpksingh: i guess docker is a whale, so magnum choose a shark03:24
pksinghhongbin: ok03:24
pksingh:)03:24
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hongbinok, let's table this topic03:25
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digaThen Let's choose sea animal's03:25
hongbinor leave it to open discussion if we have time03:25
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hongbin#topic Kuryr integration (hongbin)03:26
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hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP03:26
hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425883/03:26
hongbinthanks everyone for the review, the spec just got merged03:26
hongbini am working on the implementation now, there are several patches need to go into kuryr03:26
hongbini am trying to pushing them in these weeks03:27
hongbinit is mainly for supporting creating docker network by using existing resources (i.e. network, subnetpool)03:27
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pksinghhongbin: if you need any help in implementation please let me know,03:28
hongbinpksingh: ack, thx03:28
hongbinok, that is all from my side about this bp03:28
hongbinany question?03:28
pksinghhongbin: kuryr does not support for existing network?03:28
hongbinpksingh: it does, but it deosn't support existing subnetpool03:29
pksinghhongbin: ok03:29
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hongbinfor your reference, here is the proposed bp for kuryr03:29
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kuryr-libnetwork/+spec/existing-subnetpool03:29
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pksinghsubscribed it :)03:30
hongbinok, it looks that is it for this topic03:30
hongbinnext one03:30
hongbin#topic Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto)03:30
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hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427007/ The spec03:30
hongbinsudipto_: ^^03:30
sudipto_So based on the coding experience, it seemed that we were doing a couple of things by going the RP way: 1. Repeating code from nova 2. Unecessarily going the REST API way - because eventually the REST API is for de-coupling the scheduler.03:31
sudipto_Add to that the fact that Nova hasn't quite merged everything on it. So it seemed that we were going to do something of our own in that space eventually and then re-adjust back when the placement API was available.03:32
sudipto_So we decided to keep things simple and do a inventory of the compute nodes (and not care about shared resources at the moment) - write an intermediary layer in phase 2 that can convert things into a RP/Inventory based object.03:33
sudipto_Phase 1 is about simply doing things to support the cpusets mostly in the way that kubernetes/older nova way of doing things.03:33
sudipto_I need to update the spec, I will do that this week. I have been pushing a few patches for review at the same time to get opinions.03:34
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sudipto_that's all i have hongbin :)03:34
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hongbinsudipto_: thanks for the detailed updates03:34
hongbinall, do you have any comment on this bp?03:34
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pksinghit looks ok to me till now, trying to grasp03:35
hongbinok03:35
hongbinthanks sudipto_03:35
hongbinlakerzhou: just chime in if you have any comment about this topic03:36
hongbinok, next topic03:36
hongbin#topic Update image API to support multi-compute scenario (Wenzhi)03:36
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hongbin#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/432857/03:36
hongbinit looks wenzhi is not here03:37
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hongbinthis topic is about the support of multi-host senario of hte image api03:37
lakerzhouI didnot get chance to review the code, but agree with Sudipto, better to divide-n-conquer03:37
hongbinpksingh: made a good point that image-search don't need to support multi-host senario03:38
hongbinlakerzhou: ack03:38
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hongbinafter that, we need to decide how to do the rest of image operation: i.e. image-list, image-show, image-pull03:38
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pksinghi have an query to every one, why do we need image pull?03:39
hongbinin particular, how to deal with the situation that there are multiple hosts03:39
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hongbinshubhams: i think you are madhuri did the work of image api, do you have any comment regarding to pksingh 's question?03:40
pksinghmy purpose is to figure out the usecase so that we can think more about it03:40
shubhamshongbin: IMO, we need to consider that its not about docker driver but also about glance image driver03:41
hongbinshubhams: yes, i agree that we should consider both image drivers03:41
shubhamsIf we see from docker perspective then multihost scenario has not much sense as docker daemon is centralized for all hosts03:42
shubhamsI was going through the patch set and somewhat agree with Pradeep.03:43
hongbinit seems docker daemon is one-per-host, unless it is on swarm mode, that is true, swarm mode is centralized for all hosts03:43
sudipto_docker daemon is centralised from all the hosts --> this means?03:43
sudipto_we aren't going the swarm mode way - or are we?03:44
hongbinno, we don't03:44
shubhamsThis mean : that from other hosts , we just use docker client (using rest api) to call docker daemon for pulling the images03:44
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shubhamsright?03:44
hongbinok, it seems you mean zun-api is centralized for all hosts03:46
sudipto_yeah...03:46
shubhamshongbin: yeah03:46
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hongbinshubhams: then, back to pksingh 's question, do you have any comment?03:46
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shubhamshongbin: pksingh : I have a query on that too, if we do not support image pull then how do we provide support for running containers?03:47
hongbinthe image was pulled when we need to run a container03:48
pksinghshubhams: i am talking about exposing image_pull to end user03:48
shubhamshongbin: pksingh : The use case was : it has to be used by the operator where they want some images to be pre-pulled and not expose the resource/registry to the user who calls "zun run"03:49
hongbinshubhams: ok, i got your points03:50
pksinghshubhams: ok great, it seems the same usecase which i was thinking03:50
pksinghhongbin: do you have any other use case in mind03:50
hongbinpksingh: no i don't03:50
shubhamspksingh: If we do not want image pull , then probably we need to support private registry and giving control commands to the operator03:50
pksinghso can we pull the image at all nodes in compute node when user calls image_pull?03:51
hongbinyes, if that is the use case, we should pull them into all nodes03:51
hongbinin addition, we should make this api admin-only03:51
shubhamshongbin: Yes03:52
pksinghand this api should be exposed to admins only :)03:52
sudipto_that seems a bit weird to me. Why would you want to pull the images to all the compute nodes?03:52
hongbinok, it seems we are all in the same page03:52
pksinghsudipto_: like pulling sandbox image03:52
shubhamspksingh: hongbin : If we want to remove this api then we can do so but then  we need to provide some sort of management clis (to the operator of cloud infra) for image registry03:52
sudipto_pksingh, ah ok. The sandbox image is a standard image?03:53
hongbinshubhams: you can edit the policy.json file to make it admin-only, no need to touch the code03:53
shubhamsand then "zun run" will be pulling images from the registry exposed by using these clis03:53
pksinghsudipto_: currently its kubernetes/pause03:54
sudipto_pksingh, ok03:54
pksinghsudipto_: we would like to have same image on all nodes, so i was thinking to pull them at the same time03:55
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shubhamssudipto_: I agree with your point that its bit weird to pull images on all host . Guys can this be a blocker for adapting zun in real world ?03:55
hongbin#topic Open Discussion03:56
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hongbinlet's continue the discussion03:56
sudipto_admin-only is probably fine.03:56
sudipto_(though i have to review the code to be honest)03:57
hongbini think it is not common to pull images on all hosts, this will incurs overhead if the image is too large03:58
pksinghhongbin: +103:58
hongbinthat is my feeling03:58
shubhamshongbin: Yeah and that could affect adversaly when we try to sell zun .03:58
hongbinhowever, the most often use cases is to clean up the images in host03:58
hongbinok, it looks time is up03:59
hongbinlet's continue the discussion in the review03:59
pksinghok03:59
hongbinall, thanks for joining the meeting03:59
pksinghbye all, have a great day ahead03:59
shubhamsok03:59
hongbin#endmeeting03:59
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yanyanhu#startmeeting senlin13:00
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 21 13:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is yanyanhu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'senlin'13:00
yanyanhuhi13:00
ruijie_hi yanyanhu13:00
yanyanhuhi, ruijie_, evening13:00
Qiminghello13:00
yanyanhuhi, Qiming13:00
ruijie_Evening all :)13:01
yanyanhu:)13:01
yanyanhulets wait for a while for other attenders13:01
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yanyanhuok, lets get started13:02
yanyanhuhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282017-02-21_1300_UTC.2913:02
elynno/13:02
yanyanhuhi, elynn13:02
yanyanhuhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Agenda_.282017-02-21_1300_UTC.2913:02
yanyanhuhere is the agenda13:02
yanyanhuplease feel free to add items13:02
yanyanhu#topic Ocata workitems13:03
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yanyanhuhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-ocata-workitems13:03
yanyanhuthe master is actually pike now13:03
yanyanhuand ocata final release will be done in this week13:03
yanyanhulets go through the list13:03
yanyanhu"Feature Rich" Nova Server13:04
yanyanhuhi, elynn, your turn13:04
elynnokay13:04
elynnThe patch for ports update is under reviewing13:04
elynnI update it yesterday.13:04
yanyanhuhttps://review.openstack.org/43258713:04
yanyanhuthis one13:04
elynnIt is a little complicated.13:05
yanyanhuabout?13:05
elynnabout the ports update logic13:05
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elynnBut could work I think, I tested it in some simple cases.13:06
yanyanhuso what kind of update will be supported in this initial version?13:06
yanyanhue.g. replacing an existing port with a new one13:06
yanyanhufor VM13:06
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elynnFor now, only replacing will supported.13:06
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elynnbe supported.13:06
yanyanhuI see13:06
yanyanhuso the final goal is support the update of network spec13:07
yanyanhuI mean entire network property of vm13:07
elynnyea13:07
yanyanhualthough that seems very difficult for some cases13:07
elynnhaven't figure out how to update an existing port, since using network property to find existing port is not easy.13:08
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elynnBut for vdu scenario , update is not the important part.13:08
yanyanhuif the existing vm port was defined as "port" directly, that is easy, right?13:08
yanyanhuthe deployment is more critical?13:09
elynnyes, yanyanhu , that's one case13:09
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elynnYes, the deployment is more critical.13:09
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yanyanhuI see13:09
elynnEspecially the network orchestration.13:09
yanyanhuhow is the progress of deployment support?13:10
elynnBran has a template13:10
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yanyanhuor maybe we can temporarily put the update work aside before the deployment support can meet our requirement?13:10
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elynnto orchestrate senlin vdu cluster and also routers , networks, security groups.13:10
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yanyanhuyou guys can focus on the orchestration part at the beginning I guess?13:11
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elynnYes, I debug this template with bran these days.13:12
elynnI think still some problems need to fix in heat...13:12
elynnFor senile profile, it's enough for now.13:12
yanyanhuin heat? You mean the entire deployment progress will be initialized by heat13:12
yanyanhuinitialized and managed by heat13:13
elynnSome problems about the sequence for creating and deleting resources.13:13
yanyanhuand senlin cluster/node deployment will be part of it13:13
elynnyanyanhu, yes13:13
yanyanhuI see13:13
elynnThe template will create needed routers, security groups13:13
elynnand also networks13:13
yanyanhuyes, for routers and networks13:13
elynnAnd then using them to fill in the senile profile.13:14
yanyanhuunderstand13:14
yanyanhuoh, btw, have you touched the application deployment yet?13:14
elynnThen senlin will create ports floating IPs.13:14
yanyanhuI mean those nfv application running inside vms13:14
elynnThey have some simple user_data, I think bran haven't touch that yet.13:15
yanyanhuok13:15
yanyanhuumm, seems a lot of work to do13:15
yanyanhuso maybe you can consider to focus on building the workflow of vdu deployment first13:15
elynnyes, some debug work need to be done.13:15
yanyanhuafter it can be done successfully, then we start to work on update functionality13:16
yanyanhusince network property update is really very complicated I think...13:16
elynnyes13:16
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elynnwe can have a basic one13:17
elynnthen evolve it.13:17
yanyanhuyes13:17
yanyanhuhaving a basic one is important13:17
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yanyanhuso thanks a lot for working on this and I think you can sync with xinhui to ask for her idea as well13:18
yanyanhushe is in atlanta now I guess :)13:18
elynnAdd some todos to my patch later :)13:18
yanyanhuelynn, thanks :)13:18
elynnnp13:18
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elynnjust doing my job.13:18
yanyanhu:)13:19
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yanyanhuok, any more question about this item?13:19
yanyanhulets move on13:19
yanyanhuEngine Improvement13:19
yanyanhuxuefeng is not here?13:19
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yanyanhusome works have been done in last week I think13:20
yanyanhuespecially some bug fixes about health manager13:20
Qimingyep, 431401 is in13:20
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yanyanhuyes13:20
Qiming424073 is in13:20
yanyanhubut we will keep looking at/testing it13:21
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yanyanhuok13:21
yanyanhuand those two about health resigtry claim bug13:21
Qimingone thing left is about the reduction of CLUSTER_CHECK/NODE_CHECK actions13:22
yanyanhuhttps://review.openstack.org/43582213:22
yanyanhuthis one13:22
Qimingright13:22
yanyanhuhi, Qiming, should we backport this patch to ocata/stable?13:23
yanyanhuhttps://review.openstack.org/43565813:23
yanyanhuit is part of health registry fix13:24
yanyanhuand this one https://review.openstack.org/43606013:24
Qiminglooking13:24
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Qimingem, all critical bug fixes have been backported I think13:25
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yanyanhunice13:25
yanyanhuso we are ready for shipping ocata release13:26
yanyanhuand btw, many thanks for your help on backporting all those patches last friday :)13:26
Qiminghttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/senlin+status:open13:26
yanyanhuyes, looks pretty clean now13:27
Qimingjust a few of them needs some extra merge work13:27
Qimingmost were just a few mouse clicks and idle wait13:27
yanyanhugreat :)13:27
yanyanhuso, lets move to next item?13:28
yanyanhuAdd senlin to RDO13:28
Qimingnp13:28
yanyanhuno progress yet I guess13:28
yanyanhuI think xuefeng hasn't got time to work on it yet13:28
yanyanhunext one13:29
yanyanhuHealth Management13:29
Qimingit'd be great if someone from from ZTE can sign on that role13:29
yanyanhuyes, last meeting, xuefeng mentioned that13:29
Qimingas a maintainer (focal point) of senlin in RDO13:29
yanyanhuso hope some one can grant some hands here13:29
Qimingit won't be a huge workload13:30
yanyanhujust like what zigo did in debian?13:30
Qimingthe liaison will be pinged if things are broken at rdo side13:30
Qimingwe don't need packaging them at all13:30
yanyanhuI see13:30
Qiminggenerating rpm is straighforward13:30
yanyanhuwill talk with xuefeng later to see how he think about it13:31
yanyanhufor health management, I guess there is also no progess?13:31
yanyanhusince xinhui is traveling for ptg13:31
yanyanhuhope she can bring us some news13:32
Qimingno progress from my side13:32
yanyanhuespecially those work collaborated with mistral and also octavia13:32
Qimingmistral workflow driver is in13:32
yanyanhuQiming, ok13:32
yanyanhuok13:32
Qimingright, we need to sync with her next week13:32
yanyanhuyes, maybe we can find a time to talk with her13:32
yanyanhuthrough call or mail13:33
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yanyanhuto see the progress in her side and whether she needs any help13:33
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yanyanhuon the collaboration13:33
yanyanhuok, lets move on13:34
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yanyanhuDocumentation13:34
yanyanhuQiming, I think you added lots of doc last week13:34
yanyanhufor those policies13:34
yanyanhuand they are all in the final rc now13:34
Qimingem ... I think all policy types have a basic reference doc now13:34
yanyanhucool!13:34
Qimingwe can improve them later13:34
yanyanhuthat will be very helpful for users and also developers13:35
yanyanhuyes13:35
yanyanhumany thanks13:35
QimingI took the liberty to merge them quickly so they can be released in time13:35
yanyanhusure13:35
yanyanhuno problem13:35
yanyanhuok, senlinclient13:36
yanyanhutried to setup the gate job for senlinclient functional test13:36
yanyanhuhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/436338/13:36
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yanyanhuthe patch is still under review13:36
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yanyanhuafter that is done, we can work on functional test cases locally13:36
Qimingneed another +213:36
yanyanhuand add it to tox test list13:37
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yanyanhuQiming, yes13:37
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yanyanhuhope it works as expected13:37
yanyanhuwill talk with xuefeng about it13:37
yanyanhuto give him some guide13:37
yanyanhuand those two patches listed in the etherpad have been done I think13:38
yanyanhuso will remove them from the list13:38
yanyanhuok, next one13:38
yanyanhuprofile for container13:38
yanyanhuhaiwei is not here13:38
yanyanhuguess we need more attention on this work in pike cycle13:39
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Qimingyup13:39
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Qimingwe need hands on it13:39
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yanyanhulets think more about it13:40
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yanyanhusorry, just disconnected13:40
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yanyanhuwin10 is insanely unstable...13:41
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Qiminganother thing we may want to do is about a refresh of the core team13:41
yanyanhuok, that's all items in the list I think13:41
yanyanhuQiming, yes, any thoughts about this13:41
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Qimingor we encourage commits/reviews first13:42
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yanyanhuyes, that sounds reasonable13:42
Qimingthere are quite a few idle cores13:42
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yanyanhumaybe we can sync with them to see their current status13:43
Qiminglet's keep thinking about this13:43
yanyanhuok13:43
yanyanhuok, lets move to next topic13:43
yanyanhu#topic Ocata final rc and Ocata release13:43
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yanyanhuso ocata final rc has been done and final release will be done by the end of this week13:44
yanyanhuhttps://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html13:44
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yanyanhuthen we formally enter pike cycle I guess?13:44
Qimingyep, starting next week I think13:44
yanyanhuanyway, the current master is pike now13:44
yanyanhuit will last 8 month?13:44
yanyanhuor 6 month as usual13:45
Qimingin theory, all work done during the the past weeks should be released in pike13:45
yanyanhusince ocata only last 4 month I think13:45
yanyanhuQiming, yes13:45
Qimingdon't know13:45
Qimingit is a chaos13:45
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yanyanhuok...13:45
Qimingreally lost13:45
yanyanhulets wait for the formal schedule13:45
Qimingdon't know what the community is heading13:45
Qimings/what/where/13:45
yanyanhu#topci open discussion13:46
yanyanhuopen discussion now13:46
yanyanhu#topic open discussion13:46
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yanyanhuany more topics from you guys?13:47
QimingI don't have more13:47
Qimingtrapped by a lot of k8s details13:47
yanyanhu...13:47
yanyanhuthat is a hard work...13:47
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yanyanhugood luck for us13:47
Qimingit is not for the poc13:48
yanyanhuI'm also trapped by some stuff... really headache...13:48
Qimingit is about an emerging trend13:48
yanyanhufor accelerator support?13:48
Qimingrelated13:48
yanyanhuok13:48
elynnSo you are working on k8s?13:48
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Qimingjust started13:49
Qiminghave to move on13:49
yanyanhunew start point :)13:49
Qiminglosing my faith gradually on openstack13:49
yanyanhufor all of us13:49
elynn:) have you think about any possibility to combine senlin and k8s?13:50
Qiminglooking at that as well13:50
Qimingk8s has a cloudprovider model13:50
Qimingwhere it needs a cluster api13:50
Qimingit is empty there13:50
Qimingthe barrier is that we don't have a master node from any clusters today13:51
Qimingthat can be fixed13:51
Qimingbut for more details, you have to wait, ;P13:51
elynnhmm, willing to learn more from you guys :)13:51
elynnWhen you are ready to share.13:51
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yanyanhu:)13:52
yanyanhuok, I think that's all for today13:52
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yanyanhuthanks all you guys for joining13:52
Qimingthere are many fields the code quality is good, there are other areas ... not the case13:52
Qiminggood night guys13:52
elynngood night!13:52
Qimingwill keep working on senlin anyway13:52
ruijiehave a good night :)13:52
yanyanhuQiming, have the same feeling13:52
Qimingnot for openstack13:52
yanyanhuhave a good night too13:53
yanyanhutalk to you later13:53
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Qimingbye13:53
yanyanhubye13:53
yanyanhu#endmeeting13:53
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yuval#startmeeting karbor15:00
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yuvalHello everybody15:00
yuvalwill wait 5 minutes to see if anyone made it to the meeting15:01
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saggiHi15:01
saggiyuval, you are the best!15:01
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yuvalrighttttt15:04
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fungireminder: infra team meeting today is in-person, in the room we've been in since yesterday morning ;)19:00
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martial#startmeeting scientific-wg20:58
openstackMeeting started Tue Feb 21 20:58:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:58
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:58
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martial#chair oneswig20:59
openstackCurrent chairs: martial oneswig20:59
oneswigHi Martial20:59
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martialHi Stig20:59
zhipenghey20:59
oneswigHi all - are we a couple of minutes early?20:59
oneswigHi zhipeng, welcome20:59
martialI started one minute early I guess20:59
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martialHi zhipeng, welcome :)20:59
priteauHello20:59
oneswigno problem20:59
oneswighi priteau20:59
zhipeng:)21:00
oneswig#link Agenda for today (a short one) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_February_21st_201721:00
rbuddenhello21:00
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oneswigHi rbudden21:00
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simon-AS559Hello all!21:01
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oneswigEvening simon-AS55921:01
b1airoHi simon-AS55921:01
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jmloweHello21:01
martialoneswig: I missed doing my update from last week21:01
oneswigg'day b1airo jmlowe21:01
b1airoHowdy oneswig , good holiday?21:01
martial#chair b1airo21:01
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo martial oneswig21:01
oneswigfab-u-lous thanks21:01
oneswigMartial you want to start with that?21:01
martialcan do21:02
martial#topic Boston Cloud Declaration21:02
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martialSo a couple weeks back (Monday 13th) was the first meeting (online) of people on the cloud declaration21:03
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hogepodgeo/21:03
martiala few things were discussed21:03
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martialthe draft outline was created on google docs21:04
oneswiggot a link martial?21:04
martialI am not sure if a link was shared yet (public one)21:04
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martialthe document I see is still listed as edit by all21:04
martial(who have the link)21:04
martialso I need to check with Mr Yazdi if he has a finalized/shareable version21:05
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jmloweinvite by email?21:06
martialI made a copy21:06
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oneswigCan you summarise on the overall direction?21:06
martialso here is a view only shareable link:   https://docs.google.com/document/d/1CFRfRC4oFtXUsLbyJosKz06IhwKrWBo_Ag3ElGM8vtU/edit?usp=sharing21:06
martialyes, the discussion was centered about figuring out who was interesting in championing a task/topic21:07
martialthere were quite a few topics discussed as you can see21:07
jmloweoneswig: got a google docs enabled email?21:07
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oneswigjmlowe: try stig@stackhpc.com or stig@telfer.org21:07
martialIdentity Federation21:07
martialSecurity Considerations (digital rights management, IP protection, privacy sensitive data management, etc…)21:07
martialAuthorized Shared Use Facilitation21:07
martialData Federation (Dataverse project)21:07
martialCost Sharing and Business Facilitation21:07
b1airoOn this topic... We of Nectar have been chatting to the Kiwis in both University of Auckland and NeSI (NZ eScience Initiative). I'm hopeful we can have an international federation started with them by Boston21:08
martialgreat b1airo21:08
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martialthe idea is to come up with a consensus before the Summit to be able to have a fruitful conversation21:09
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martialbecause we all agreed that the time allocated is short in Boston alone21:09
oneswigb1airo: how much actual federating goes on in Nectar? As in, how often do people run workloads on the resources of other institutions?21:09
martialyou can see in the document I shared in red, the tasks in place21:10
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martialbut it does cover the 5 topics listed above21:10
martialthe next meeting is ...21:11
b1airoConstantly. Though the bulk of users tend to head towards their local zones, but some of them don't care and Cells scheduler just puts them wherever the most free capacity is21:11
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martialnext Monday21:11
martialfor those interested, I would email khalilyazdi@outlook.com <khalilyazdi@outlook.com>21:11
trandleso/  sorry I'm late...competing meetings...21:12
oneswigHi trandles21:12
martialdoes this help with a quick recap21:12
martial?21:12
oneswigThanks martial I think so.21:13
b1airoTim Bell also gave a recap last meeting if you want to check the logs21:13
oneswigb1airo: last WG meeting?21:13
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b1airoYep21:14
b1airoPS: I'm at the airport so may drop out for a while21:15
oneswigJust looking at it now...21:15
martialI see that21:15
martialhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-02-15-09.02.log.txt21:15
oneswigb1airo: before you go, did you get to see the talk on HPC monitoring?21:15
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b1airooneswig: yes I did21:15
martial#topic Update on scientific infrastructure monitoring21:16
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b1airoI was planning to follow up with Jordi over email and introduce you21:16
oneswigCan you describe or are you tapping on a phone?21:16
b1airoYes & yes21:16
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zhipengb1airo we from Cyborg project would like to work on the GPU topic21:17
b1airoBasically he started with a fairly traditional architecture using rsyslog for consolidation and then pushing into logstash+kibaba21:17
oneswig#link abstract from NeSI HPC monitoring project http://www.eresearchnzconference.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/9.-Blasco.pdf21:17
b1airozhipeng: great!21:17
b1airoFound scalability issues for the number of nodes he wanted the system to handle21:18
martialzhipeng: this is great news, thanks for confirming:)21:18
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b1airoSo wrote his own custom metrics gathering and aggregation layer21:18
oneswigWhat are the NeSI HPC resources - anything vendor specific?21:19
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b1airooneswig: I don't think so anymore, they had a BlueGene P but it's now decommissioned21:19
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b1airoAnyway he metrics tooling can handle up to 15k nodes with a few hundred metrics21:20
b1airoWith just a modest host21:20
b1airoThe interesting things was that they are pulling out HPC specific metrics and using it to target efficiency improvements21:21
b1airoEfficiency as in number of nodes needed to complete same job21:22
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oneswigThat is indeed interesting.  And if it's not vendor-specific, there's a hope for reuse in an openstack context21:22
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oneswigWe've been talking over how to get IB verbs metrics into Monasca from our hypervisors21:23
oneswigsounds like quite a similar theme21:23
b1airoThat sounds interesting21:24
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martialoneswig : the abstract is very interesting indeed21:25
oneswigOK thanks b1airo, assume you're at the airport to do some skydiving, right?  Hate to distract you while you're packing your parachute21:25
oneswigconferences in Queenstown NZ, indeed... :-)21:26
b1airoBy the way, I found a fun bug in libvirt+qemu last week - can't launch static hugepage backed guests much larger than 120GB21:26
oneswigwhat's the symptom?21:26
jmlowebah, who wold need to do that!21:26
b1airoKernel zeros the memory before really launching the process so libvirt times out after 30s waiting for QMP socket and then kills Qemu21:27
b1airojmlowe: lol, thanks Mr Gates21:27
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b1airo"120GB is more than anyone will ever need"21:28
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oneswigI'm surprised that would take 30s21:28
jmlowenot disimilar to when I mkfs.ext4 on a multi TB volume with discard support, will try to do a sync discard on every block before laying down the filesystem21:29
b1airoOneswig: yeah seems to be single threaded in the kernel21:29
jmlowethen I figured out -K21:29
b1airoReal solution is for libvirt to pass an already open socket to qemu for QMP21:30
jmlowebug filed?21:30
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b1airoBut sadly for now I think we will have to patch the timeout and build our own packages21:30
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b1airojmlowe: planning to push it to Redhat this week to ensure it gets attention21:31
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oneswigIt's a nice thing to be able to alloc 120GB of contiguous physical memory in your host at all...21:31
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jmloweenabling huge pages are on my wishlist21:31
oneswigI'd imagine the time goes in "draining the swamp"21:32
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oneswigok should we move on?21:33
martial#topic More input wanted on Identity Federation article21:33
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oneswigAha, well this ties in nicely21:33
oneswigSection 3A in the document Martial shared21:33
simon-AS559One of the links under "further reading" seems dead (https://www.gitbook.com/book/indigo-dc/openid-keystone)21:34
oneswigbegins "Compile a summary of the current state of identity management solutions..."21:34
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oneswigThanks simon-AS559 - that's one of the few things in a bare bones document21:35
jmlowethe mechanics of federation are changing in octa?21:35
oneswig#link Scientific WG studies on OpenStack github https://github.com/openstack/scientific-wg/blob/master/doc/source/openstack-and-federated-identity.rst21:35
jmloweafaik every federated IdP goes in their own domain?21:35
oneswigjmlowe: in a backwards-incompatible way?21:35
jmloweoneswig: would you expect it to be any other way?21:36
oneswigjmlowe: shocked, the cyncism21:36
oneswig:-)21:36
oneswigAnyway, I'm hoping and looking for contributions from people who can speak better from experience on this study21:37
priteauThis seems to be the repo for the gitbook: https://github.com/indigo-dc/openid-keystone-doc21:37
oneswig#link Done in the usual way - gerrit review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/scientific-wg21:37
jmlowewell I was ramping up to do a whole bunch of scripting to make openid connect federation work, now on hold to see how it's all changed21:37
rbuddenjmlowe: looks like we should wait for Octa for the Jetstream/Bridges Federation21:38
martialjmlowe: will it also be changed through the global API (not the project API)?21:38
jmloweI have a burning need to federate with globus auth doing openid connect, this is extremely helpful21:38
oneswigjmlowe: anything to be gained from the experience of Indigo-DC or is that all wrapped up in the change in Ocata?21:38
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jmloweI'm not sure, was just casually chatting about having to build a whole mapping thing and was told the modeling of federated users in keystone changes completely in octa21:40
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martialjmlowe: okay wait and see then. The PTG is right now, I wonder if the Keystone Etherpad reflect anything yet21:41
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oneswigIt's my hope that when this study has more useful content, the documents will become available via CI/CD to somewhere under openstack.org.  I'd like to see that before Boston...21:41
oneswigjmlowe: this relates to shadow users?21:42
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oneswigI thought that stuff got reworked only in Mitaka...21:43
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jmlowenot sure now21:45
martialI do not see much comment on this unfortunately, I guess it is an open topic for the time being21:45
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martialKeystone meets from Wed-Fri, so no real updates until then21:46
oneswigmartial: I'm guessing they have moved on to Pike planning now anyway?21:47
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oneswigOK, I had a final item on the agenda for today wrt Boston21:47
martialoneswig: yes but by the next meeting, we ought to see their notes on etherpad and know where they are planning to move to21:47
martial#topic Boston summit activities21:47
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oneswigThere's the question of what one does in the evenings in Boston.21:48
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oneswigtrandles has a tremendously helpful local friend21:48
oneswigI've looked through the options and have four broad categories of venue21:49
oneswig#link lobsters http://www.unionoysterhouse.com/pages/meetings.html21:49
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oneswig#link brewpubs http://www.cambridgebrewingcompany.com21:49
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oneswig#link local bar near MIT http://www.miracleofscience.us/about.php21:49
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oneswig#link barbecue https://www.redbones.com21:50
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oneswigI used to live in Boston and happen to have been to all four :-)21:50
martialhow many are we going to be?21:50
oneswigLast time it was 5721:50
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oneswigI'm guessing the same +- 10%21:51
oneswigperhaps more for the US location?21:51
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trandlesmight depend on who's allowed through the airport :(21:51
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oneswigIs there a way of voting, perhaps in a couple of weeks?21:52
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oneswigtrandles: oh, how topical21:52
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martialoneswig: seems reasonable21:54
oneswigI'll follow up with all options and see if there's a strong contender.  I'll also see if we can get a vendor or two to fund it21:54
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b1airoThe Mellanox OpenStack Scientific-WG21:54
b1airo;-)21:54
b1airoC'mon Intel!21:54
rbuddenhas a nice ring to it ;)21:54
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oneswigOther interconnects are also available :-)21:55
oneswigI think Mellanox have thrown down a gauntlet!21:55
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oneswigOK that's all I had on the evening social for now - will report back21:56
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martialcool :)21:56
b1airoLoving Cumulus at the moment - they helped us debug a Cisco problem recently21:56
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b1airoStupid 9Ks throwing away unicast ARP replys21:56
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oneswiggood work to pinpoint that to the switch, unless it happens every time21:57
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oneswigAOB?21:58
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oneswig... nothing to declare from here.  I'm scoping a new project - Kolla + Ironic + stuff - might be interesting int he coming months21:59
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rbuddenoneswig: I’m interested in that22:00
b1airoSounds fun oneswig22:00
martialstill working on our Dmoni and DataScience agnostic VM22:00
rbuddenbeen eyeing up the move to Kolla22:00
jmloweooh stuff, I love stuff22:00
oneswigWill keep you posted!22:00
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martialpacker + ansible + heat as the backbone22:00
rbuddenoneswig: definitely keep me in the loop22:00
oneswigtime up, alas - until next time22:00
priteauI would love to hear more about this too22:00
simon-AS559bye!22:01
b1airorbudden: is your Slurm - OpenStack integration in public domain?22:01
trandles+1 on kolla22:01
martial#endmeeting22:01
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oneswigrbudden: slurm + openstack?  I want to hear more!22:01
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martialthanks all (sorry, we went over)22:01
rbuddenb1airo: we don’t have anything formal out there22:01
rbuddenbut I can explain, do a write up sometime22:02
rbuddenit’s essentially Ironic + Puppet + Slurm22:02
trandlesFYI - I'm starting the legal process of getting our Slurm+openstack released22:02
b1airoMaybe you can give us a briefing at some point? Or perhaps lightning talk??22:02
trandleslawyers :(22:02
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oneswigtrandles: bring it on, please keep us updated!22:02
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rbuddenb1airo: sure22:03
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rbuddenI have an idea for what I’m calling a self healing HPC cluster22:04
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rbuddenpossibly a talk or lighting in Nov ;)22:04
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rbuddentalk to everyone later!22:05
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