Thursday, 2016-08-18

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thinrichsHi all00:02
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:02
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ramineni_hi00:03
masahitohi00:03
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ekcshi00:03
thinrichsaimeeu: courtesy ping (she maybe on vacation)00:04
ekcswelcome back masahito !00:04
ekcsYes, I think aimeeu is away.00:04
thinrichsAgenda for today..00:04
masahitoekcs: thanks00:04
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thinrichs1. milestones for newton00:04
thinrichs2. status00:04
thinrichsAnything else?00:05
thinrichs#topic Newton milestones00:05
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thinrichsHere's the schedule...00:05
thinrichs#link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html00:05
thinrichsFew noteworthy items..00:06
thinrichsAug 29-Sep 02: newton-3 and final release for client libraries00:06
thinrichsSo that's about 2 weeks away00:06
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thinrichsmasahito: are you still planning to expose lazy polling for datasources thru the aPI?  We'll want client code in place for the same.00:07
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masahitoYes.00:07
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masahitoI notice that we don't need to modify client codes.00:08
masahitobecause the flag for lazy is in config option of datasource.00:08
thinrichsThat's good.  So it's set at the time of creating the datasource, and if you want to change it you delete the datasource and create a new one.00:09
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thinrichsIs that what you had in mind?00:09
masahitoyes.00:09
thinrichsCool.  I love getting functionality in without changing the API!00:09
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thinrichsMeans we have a solid API.00:09
masahitoIf we want to change config value of datasource on the fly, I think it's different API.00:10
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masahitobut now, this is out of scope.00:10
thinrichsmasahito: makes sense to me00:11
thinrichsOther item on the calendar is that PTL nominations are Sep 12-16.00:11
thinrichsIf anyone is interested and wants to chat about what's involved, let me know.00:11
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ekcsgot it.00:12
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thinrichsOne thing we should discuss is what we hope to finish by newton-300:12
thinrichsI think we can save that til after we go through status updates00:12
thinrichsMoving on.00:12
thinrichs#topic status00:13
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thinrichsramineni_: want to give your status update?00:13
ramineni_thinrichs: ok00:13
ramineni_thinrichs: im trying to add a new job in gate for HA , to run existing tempest tests in HA, need to test locally first00:15
ramineni_thinrichs: but im thinking of starting only one more PE process not the API one00:16
thinrichsRemind me what deployments we're testing now…00:16
thinrichsPE+DSD+API in 1 process,00:17
thinrichsPE, DSD, API in 3 separate processes00:17
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thinrichsWhat's the HA version?00:17
ramineni_thinking of API+PE+PE+DSD00:18
ramineni_all seperate processes00:18
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ramineni_because we cant start myultiple API´s on the same node, it will conflict with port00:18
ramineni_i think we should be able to test with multiple PE´s00:19
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thinrichsSo for policy API calls we'll let oslo-messaging pick the PE to send the message to00:19
ramineni_yes00:20
thinrichsAs long as we think oslo-messaging won't always pick the same PE, that seems fine00:20
thinrichsekcs: what do you think?00:20
thinrichsAnother option: is it possible/easy to (a) startup multiple API servers on different ports and (b) write tempest tests to send requests to different ports?00:20
ekcswe discussed it last time. That’s what I also thought is best, but we should check to make sure oslo won’t always pick same.00:21
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ramineni_thinrichs: thats what current HA tempest tests does00:21
ramineni_it starts on different port00:22
ramineni_but isn´t it the same00:22
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ramineni_anyway we are sending it to one API only00:22
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thinrichsramineni_: Ok.  Sounds like you're doing all the right things then.00:23
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thinrichsramineni_: anything you need from us?00:23
ekcsif it’s easy to start on diff ports, then I think that would be best.00:23
thinrichsand if it's easy to send requests to different ports.  We don't do that today00:23
ramineni_ekcs: y?00:24
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ekcstwo reasons: 1. that way we have more control over the test. send to A then to B. more reproducible if there is failure.00:24
ekcs2. that way we test in the recommended deployment config of API+PE in one node.00:25
ekcsbut I didn’t know whether it was easy or hard to start on diff ports and send requests to diff ports.00:25
ekcsjust my thoughts.00:25
thinrichsekcs: +1 Lots of nondeterminism in letting oslo-messaging pick the PE00:25
thinrichsSeems worth investigating whether we can send API requests to different ports in tempest00:26
ramineni_ekcs: thinrichs: i still dont get it, even if we start on different ports PE would be automatically chosen00:26
ramineni_may be we could discuss this later00:26
ekcsyea maybe I’m confused about whether we can send a request to a specific port.00:27
thinrichsIf we deployed 3 processes: (i) API+PE, (ii) API + PE, (iii) DSD00:27
thinrichsthen we can write tests that send API calls to (i) or (ii) explicitly.00:27
thinrichs(Assuming we can send API calls to different ports)00:27
thinrichsLet's come back to this later if there's time.00:28
thinrichsmasahito: want to give a status report?00:29
masahitothinrichs: sure00:29
masahitoI'm updating a patch for lazy datasource. I'll push it today.00:30
masahitothat's from my side. not a lot progress.00:30
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thinrichsmasahito: thanks00:31
thinrichsekcs: status update?00:31
ekcsSubmitted patches for:00:32
ekcs1. sync datasources by UUID to avoid mix-up due to datasoure name reuse. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356157/00:32
patchbotekcs: patch 356157 - congress - HAHT - datasource synchronizer use UUID not name00:32
ekcs2. resubscribe if sequenced data missing for too long. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356806/00:32
patchbotekcs: patch 356806 - congress - DSE2 - resubscribe if update missing for too long00:32
ekcs3. quick fix for ironic_driver that prevented congress from starting.00:32
ekcsThat’s all.00:32
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thinrichsAnything to discuss on those patches here?00:33
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ekcsnot really.00:34
thinrichsOn the resubscribe if update missing patch, did you run into that case?00:34
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ekcsno I didn’t, but it was always planned (in my head =p )00:34
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ekcswithout it, if a single update gets lost, no more updates can be processed from that table forever.00:35
thinrichsJust wondered if you were doing some serious testing.  Seemed like a tough one to hit by accident.00:35
thinrichsI'll take a look tomorrow probably00:36
thinrichsI'll do a quick update00:36
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ekcsno haven’t done heavy testing. the version without resubscribe was basically meant for single-process dse2 use.00:36
thinrichsI've been underwater all week.  No real progress.  Just tried to keep up with reviews.00:36
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thinrichsLet's move to the newton-3 discussion00:37
thinrichs#topic newton-300:37
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thinrichsWe should figure out what we want to finish up in the next 2 weeks.00:37
ekcsI think HAHT is on track for newton-3. All major required code changes are merged or in review. Remaining are tests and docs and optional features and I'm sure bug fixes. Still a fair amount of work for tests and docs, but I assume it's not the end of the world if those slip a couple weeks.00:38
ekcsHere are the remaining bugs targeting newton-3 #link https://launchpad.net/congress/+milestone/newton-300:38
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ekcsslip into RC1 that is.00:39
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ekcsactually here’s a question about newton-3.00:40
ekcsSoft StringFreeze¶00:40
ekcsYou are no longer allowed to accept proposed changes containing modifications in user-facing strings. Such changes should be rejected by the review team and postponed until the next series development opens (which should happen when RC1 is published).00:40
ekcsdoes that mean no changes to docs or just no changes to program output?00:40
thinrichsPretty sure that's program output00:40
ekcsok good =)00:41
thinrichsThat's for translation, I'm pretty sure.  It gives the translation team time to internationalize the messages.00:41
ekcs“user-facing strings” is a bit ambiguous.00:41
thinrichsDocs always lag behind code, so freezing the docs before the code doesn't make sense00:41
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thinrichsWe haven't gotten around to internationalizing, so the string freeze doesn't apply00:42
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thinrichsHere's my first question: are we stable without HAHT deployments?  I.e. if we deploy in 1 process?00:42
ekcsi’ve only done very light testing so far.00:43
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thinrichsWe have tempest tests running, so that gives us some confidence00:43
thinrichsI'd say that once we hit newton-3, we should do some of that testing immediately.00:43
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thinrichsThe goal then is to get the HAHT code in by newton-3 and use the remainder of the cycle to find/fix bugs.00:44
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thinrichsIt looks like all the code is underway.00:44
thinrichsAny worries about landing the ones in progress?00:45
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thinrichsThe synchronizer update for distributed deployment (ramineni_)?00:45
thinrichsdatasource add/delete (ekcs)?00:45
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ekcsno notable concern on my end.00:46
ramineni_i have patch for that already00:46
thinrichsAwesome!00:47
ekcsI hope we can get all tests in by newton-3 too, to expose bugs as early as possible. should be doable.00:47
thinrichsekcs: +100:47
thinrichsMaybe what I can do is save up some Congress time and once those two land start manual testing00:48
ekcsnew devstack will be interesting.00:48
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ekcss/new/fresh00:48
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thinrichsThat's true.  That'll take some time to get set up.00:49
thinrichsIs our devstack plugin stable at this point?00:49
thinrichsI could start getting that running now and then just upgrade the Congress code once it comes in00:50
ramineni_thinrichs: sorry, I have to leave now, will catchup later00:50
thinrichsmasahito: are you expecting your patches to land in time?00:51
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thinrichsramineni_: sure.  Thanks.  See you later00:51
masahitothinrichs: yap.00:51
thinrichsGreat!00:52
thinrichsThat's all I have for today.00:52
thinrichsAnything else to discuss?00:52
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:52
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ekcsi think I realized that ramineni_ meant on ha tempest test00:52
ekcswe’re trying to reuse existing tempest tests on new deployment configuration. so we’re not targeting specific nodes anyway.00:53
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thinrichsekcs: that makes sense.  Reusing existing tests00:53
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thinrichsSo I guess we'll need new variants of tests for the HA stuff00:54
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thinrichsI guess those should be focused on testing just the HAHT features.  We can leave the more basic functionality to the existing tests00:54
ekcsso the tests themselves won’t target specific nodes. but we could still write a new layer that sends requests to diff ports in a deterministic fashion.00:54
ekcsright. and from our discussion last time, i think the conclusion is that most of the detailed HA feature testing should be done in test_congress style unit tests.00:55
thinrichsekcs: makes sense00:55
ekcsso it may or may not be worth doing extra work to adapt the existing tempest tests to distribute requests to diff ports.00:55
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thinrichsAgreed00:56
ekcsdeterminism still nice. but seems like we can go either way.00:56
thinrichsI'd say start with something that tests multiple PEs and if nondeterminism becomes a problem address it then00:57
masahitoagreed.00:57
ekcsagreed.00:57
thinrichsSo it seems we're agreed about the API + PE + PE + DSD setup for running tempest tests00:57
ekcsmakes sense to me.00:58
thinrichsekcs: how thorough would you say our test-congress tests are for HAHT?00:58
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thinrichs2 min left00:58
ekcsnot thorough at all at the moment.00:58
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ekcsI was thinking specific failover tests would be in tempest. but now targeting unittests after discussion.00:59
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thinrichsSo one of those bugs is actually targeting test-congress tests, instead of tempest00:59
ekcsnot thorough in terms of simulating actual failvover scenario.00:59
ekcspretty good for testing specific behavior.00:59
ekcsbasically their more unit tests than integrationtests.00:59
thinrichsekcs: got it.  Good to know01:00
ekcsyes. i’ll change the bug.01:00
thinrichsOut of time.  Thanks all!01:01
thinrichs#endmeeting01:01
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ralonsohajo: I'm on it. I'll review the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357230/14:00
patchbotralonsoh: patch 357230 - openstack-infra/project-config - Enable QoS on neutron for python-openstacksdk.14:00
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ajohi ralonsoh #openstack-neutron :) this is a meeting channel :D14:02
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oomichi#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 18 17:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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oomichiwho are here today?17:00
jlvillalo/17:00
mtreinisho/17:00
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oomichijlvillal: mtreinish: hi :)  lets wait for more people a little bit17:02
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auggyo/17:02
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oomichiauggy: hi, ok let's start a meeting17:02
oomichi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_August_18th_2016_.281700_UTC.2917:02
oomichi^^^ is today agenda17:03
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andreafo/17:03
jordanPnot much:)17:03
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:03
oomichiandreaf: jordanP: hi, good for us :)17:03
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oomichithere are few open qa-specs17:03
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oomichithe first one is  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/17:04
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oomichiandreaf reviewed already just before this meeting, thanks17:04
oomichiI will check the comment later17:04
andreafyes I just +2 it as well17:04
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oomichiandreaf: ah, that is owner, OK, will change it;)17:05
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oomichiandreaf: I will start creating a prototype later17:05
oomichithe second is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349730/17:06
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andreafoomichi: there were already some patches by jswarren and dwallek you may want to start from those17:06
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oomichiandreaf: oh, I didn't know that, can you provide the links of patches?17:06
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andreafoomichi: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-resources17:07
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oomichiandreaf: thanks17:08
andreafRegarding the spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349730/17:08
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oomichiandreaf: yeah, please go ahead17:09
luzCo/17:09
andreafThe idea there is to define resources that we create at class level as fixtures17:09
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andreafsince there is no way to use fixtures in class level fixtures atm I also prototyped https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351871/17:10
oomichiandreaf: the class level means test class ?17:10
andreafI got negative feedback on the idea from lifeless, basically he says class level things are fragile and don't work well for parallelism17:10
andreafoomichi: yes17:11
andreafsetUpClass and tearDownClass are class level fixtures17:11
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oomichiandreaf: Test developers need to know what resources are created on each used test class17:11
andreafthey are classmethods and they work on class, so they can provide a shared context for all test methods defined by a test clas17:11
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andreafoomichi: yes that's part of the cleanup we want to do - to make it obvious what resources are created17:12
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oomichiandreaf: and all these resources are removed on the cleanup, that seems good merit17:13
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oomichiandreaf: my concern is tests will create unnecessary resources also just for using small amount of resources17:14
jordanPI think the whole point is to share some utility functions (that setup the environment: create projects, users etc...) between classes or plugins without using inheritence17:14
andreafoomichi: so I'm a bit struggling on this since it's an investment in a direction that lifeless recommends not to follow17:14
oomichijordanP: yeah, I tend to prefer that without inheritence at this time17:15
andreafoomichi: on the other side though using testresources would me stop relying on class level fixtures and attributes for good, which would be a major rework17:15
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mtreinishandreaf: it's a lot of work...17:15
mtreinishmultiple cycles at least17:15
mtreinishat least when I looked at it before17:15
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jordanPyeah, a lot of work, and I am not sure it's brings a big benefit17:16
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oomichiandreaf: to be honest, I could not get the idea we are discussing now from the spec17:17
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andreafjordanP: the main benefit would be to stop caged on the class context, and being able to select tests in a different way - the test scheduler could optimise better, based on resource utilisation17:17
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andreafjordanP: however none of those seem to me like major benefits for tempest17:17
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oomichiandreaf: the "Proposed change" seems stopping writting in the middle17:18
oomichiandreaf: like line 100 or later17:18
andreafoomichi: yes I need to update the spec - but I started prototyping class level fixtures and I wanted some feedback on that so I can include in the spec the direction we are taking, and why, with alternatives etc17:19
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mtreinishandreaf: yeah, that was my thinking too. It'd also a fundamental change in how we expect tempest to be run. There are lots of baked in assumptions that the minimum parallel unit is a class17:19
oomichiandreaf: yeah, that is good way to move forward. I can understand easily from the code17:20
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auggyis it worth looking at how other OpenStack projects have solved this problem (if they have)?17:20
mtreinishit's more than just resources17:20
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mtreinishauggy: it's a bit of a special problem for tempest given it working with real clouds and using the unit test framework17:21
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mtreinishauggy: other projects either use test resources (keystone client and oslo.db for example) or just fixtures17:21
mtreinishdepending on what they're trying to do17:22
auggyok, then i probably don't fully understand the problem :) i understood it as tempest needs to set up different things based on different configurations at the test class level and currently that's difficult to do17:22
mtreinishbut in all those cases they were also building frameworks from scratch which is a different problem17:22
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andreafmtreinish: one fear is that eventually class level fixtures will be deprecated - however that will take a long time if it happens - and we could still have our own TestSuite with support for them17:22
mtreinishandreaf: heh, I find that extremely unlikely. But then you never can tell with backwards compat and python :P17:23
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mtreinishauggy: it's actually even simpler than that we're trying to make some of the magic we're using through classmethods, atrributes, and inheritence more explicit in the actual test classes where things are run17:24
mtreinishauggy: and trying to figure out the best mechanism for doing that17:24
auggyah ok17:24
jordanPyep17:24
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auggyah ok, that makes sense, thanks17:25
auggyi always disliked Python's heavy use of inheritance, are there patterns for Mixins? would that be an option?17:25
oomichiauggy: yeah, I also don't line deep inheritance, that is unreadable17:26
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andreafauggy: we are trying to use fixtures to avoid class inheritance17:26
andreafauggy: since fixtures are easy to use, and isolated and self-cleaning, test don't need to rely on that functionality being an a super class17:26
auggyah right ok17:26
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auggyi've only used the fixtures through nova and it's all pretty heavy inheritance17:27
mtreinishauggy: if you want a good example of what we're trying to fix see: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/scenario/test_network_basic_ops.py#L411-L46217:27
auggythanks for clarifying, hope i didn't derail the conversation too much :)17:27
mtreinishand try to figure out exactly what that test is doing17:27
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auggyyeah i've been working with Nova's functional tests hahahaa17:27
andreafgood luck with that :D17:27
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oomichimtreinish: hehe, nice sample17:28
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lifelessandreaf: did you get time to play with testresources ?17:28
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mtreinishoomichi: well, I've been trying to unroll that in my spare time for the past week (and not made it very far)17:28
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andreaflifeless: only a bit - I think it could work - but it would be a major change in how we do things in Tempest17:29
oomichimtreinish: I see, thanks:)17:29
andreaflifeless: and I'm not sure the benefits for Tempest are enough to justify the effort17:30
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lifelessandreaf: I'm quite a bit confused by the expectation that it would be a tonne of work; it seems very mechanical to me17:30
andreaflifeless: we tend to have less heavier more static tests compared to a unit test suite - and I believe for that scenario relying on the class unit is not so bad17:30
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lifelessandreaf: perhaps mid-meeting isn't the right time to analyse it; but - I'd like to17:31
lifelessI do -not- want to be a blocker on improvements17:31
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oomichiandreaf: lifeless: can we discuss it deeply later ?17:32
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oomichithe time went in the first topic ;)17:32
andreafoomichi, lifeless: sure - but we're towards the end of my dey, so maybe tomorrow17:32
lifelessoomichi: course17:33
oomichiandreaf: thanks17:33
oomichiok, let's move on17:33
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oomichi#topic Tempest17:33
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open17:33
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oomichithere are still many active patches17:34
jordanPhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/351426/17:34
oomichiare there patches we need to discuss now17:34
jordanPI don't think we should remove any Heat test17:34
oomichijordanP: oh, go ahead17:34
jordanPbut gmann disagrees17:35
andreafjordanP: heat is not in scope for Tempest - at least not right now17:35
jordanPwhy not ?17:35
mtreinishjordanP: it's in the set of things out of scope in tempest: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/test-removal.html#tempest-scope17:35
oomichijordanP: Tempest scope is for six cores17:35
jordanPbut I like heat :)17:36
oomichijordanP: and if defcore extends cores, tempes needs to contain a new core test17:36
oomichijordanP: heh, that is different17:36
luzC@jordanP +117:36
jordanP"be removed assuming there is equivalent testing elsewhere"17:36
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jordanPI am not sure there is17:36
mtreinishjordanP: heat has had there own functional test suite for a while17:37
mtreinishs/there/their17:37
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jordanPyeah but I remember a bug in Heat that only Tempest discoved17:37
oomichijordanP: mtreinish: yeah, as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335740/ pointed17:37
jordanPa couple of months ago17:37
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jordanP(https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1546201)17:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1546201 in heat "Race condition: boot a server on a network created by Heat" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Crag Wolfe (cwolfe)17:38
oomichijordanP: after that, the migration happened according to the patch17:38
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jordanPhow are we sure that we are not losing coverage ?17:38
andreafjordanP: heat tests are not run in the integrated gate anyways17:38
andreafjordanP: I think they are in the layer4 job only17:39
mtreinishjordanP: we rely on heat for that judgement17:39
jordanPyes they run in the layer4 job17:39
oomichijordanP: the coverage of non-cores should be own on each project, not qa-team17:39
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mtreinishjordanP: the heat coverage in tempest is very minimal fwiw17:39
jordanPok, got it17:40
jordanPwe can move forward17:40
oomichiare there more items related to tempest?17:40
oomichiok, let's move on17:41
oomichi#topic devstack + grenade17:41
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/devstack+status:open17:41
oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/grenade+status:open17:41
oomichithere are small amount of patches on grenade17:42
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mtreinishoomichi: there always are17:42
mtreinishit's a very low activity project17:42
oomichimtreinish: yeah17:42
oomichiisn't enough to review the patches now?17:43
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oomichithe first one seems easy, but that takes time17:43
oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/grenade+status:open17:43
oomichiops wrong17:44
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296003/17:44
oomichijust small comment, are there any items related to devstack and grenade?17:45
mtreinishoomichi: well since the last meeting neutron is now the devstack default17:45
mtreinishthat's kinda big17:45
andreaf\o/17:46
jordanPomg, nova-net is deprecated ? ^^17:46
oomichimtreinish: good news:)17:46
mtreinishjordanP: yeah nova re-deprecated it a while ago17:46
jordanP(yeah, just trolling :p)17:46
oomichithat takes much time17:46
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mtreinishhaha17:46
oomichido we have nova-network specific job?17:47
mtreinishoomichi: the jobs have not changed17:47
mtreinishoomichi: but if you run devstack yourself you have to manually enable n-net and disable neutron17:47
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oomichimtreinish: h, I see. I misunderstood all jobs are changed17:48
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oomichiok, that is good for getting feedback from uesrs17:49
oomichiif not having any items, let's move on17:49
oomichi#topic openstack-health17:49
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oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296003/17:50
mtreinishoomichi: the same grenade patch?17:50
oomichimtreinish: is the node_provide meaning public cloud?17:50
jordanP:p17:50
andreafoomichi: I have a couple of patches for subunit2sql, which is related - but it's actually an openstack-infra project, so not sure I should mention them here?17:50
oomichi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356060/17:50
oomichioops, sorry about that17:50
andreafoomichi: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/subunit2sql+branch:master+topic:story/200069817:51
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mtreinishoomichi: node_provider is the cloud region the job is running17:51
andreafoomichi: anyways - giving it a shot ;)17:51
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mtreinishoomichi: so rax iad, osic, etc17:51
mtreinishandreaf: yeah it's fine to talk about here. It's always straddled the fence17:51
oomichimtreinish: that is good information, these days, gate was not in good condition17:51
oomichimtreinish: these info will be helpful for that condition17:52
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oomichiandreaf: please go ahead17:52
andreafmtreinish: ok - well I just wanted to get some reviews on them #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/subunit2sql+branch:master+topic:story/200069817:52
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mtreinishandreaf: yeah I've been meaning to take another look at those17:52
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andreafI added unit test coverage, fixed a bug and added a new config option to drop the test_attr_prefix before adding metadata into the test_metadata table17:53
mtreinishoomichi: right, that's why we landed a bunch of improvements to the test page recently: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/test/tempest.api.image.v1.test_images.CreateRegisterImagesTest.test_register_http_image?end=2016-08-16T15:00:00.000Z17:53
mtreinishoomichi: make it easier to find common trends in failures17:53
oomichimtreinish: ++17:53
mtreinishit's still not perfect yet but it's getting better17:53
oomichimtreinish: yeah, agree. nice direction17:53
mtreinishmasayukig is working on fixing some of the graphing we have there now17:53
andreafmtreinish: oh, nice17:53
mtreinishand I think visualizing common pieces of metadata somehow will be a good future step after that17:54
* andreaf goes and merges those patches in his own o-h17:54
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andreafmtreinish: I think it would be really great to get distributions of metadata keys over values, like elastic search does17:55
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mtreinishandreaf: there are some performance things I need to fix, I have a better strategy for caching in mind that should make it more responsive17:55
mtreinishandreaf: yeah that's what I was thinking17:55
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mtreinishI'm just not sure how to do that in js :)17:55
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andreaf:D17:55
oomichimtreinish: heh17:56
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oomichiok, let's move on if not having more17:56
oomichi#topic Critical reviews17:56
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oomichiare there any patches we need to concentrate on?17:56
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Id65ebae73b28da7185cb349b714b659af51ef77f,n,z17:57
mtreinishwhich switches us to use qcow by default in devstack17:57
mtreinishthere is a corresponding tempest change, but there are grenade failures I need to figure out17:57
jordanPnot a patch but we've been lagging a bit in term of reviewing lately, imo17:58
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jordanPis that your feeling too ?17:58
jordanPmtreinish, yes that's a good patch, I never liked the ami format17:58
oomichimtreinish: yeah, that is a good one17:58
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oomichiI will +A after passing the gate17:59
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oomichijordanP: yeah that is a little active now17:59
oomichi#link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/tempest/3018:00
mtreinishjordanP: yeah I get that sense too. I think it's because we have a bunch of inactive cores18:00
oomichiops, time is coming18:00
oomichi#endmeeting18:00
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mtreinishI think oomichi should probably clean up the core list18:00
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oomichilet's discuss on -qa channel18:00
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stevemaro/18:58
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dtroyerola!19:04
stevemarola19:04
dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:04
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 18 19:04:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:04
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:04
stevemarrtheis seems to be missing19:04
stevemarlooks like its just you and i dtroyer!19:04
dtroyerI suspect he may be travelling?19:04
* stevemar shrugs19:05
stevemari don't keep tabs on him19:05
dtroyerwhich, while on the topic, I will be next week19:05
stevemaroh nice19:05
stevemari will be too19:05
dtroyerThursday is a travel day so I will not be around to run a meeting19:05
stevemari'll be traveling M-W19:05
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dtroyerM-Th for me19:06
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dtroyerso let's start with...19:06
dtroyer#topic summit space request19:06
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dtroyerLast couple of summits we had one of each type of space19:07
dtroyerThe meetup time has been a near-no-op for both19:07
dtroyerI'd be willing to drop that since there is only Friday afternoon available overall19:07
dtroyerfor those19:07
stevemardtroyer: funny you say that, gordc just said that friday afternoon meetups are useful on the ML19:07
dtroyerfor some projects I'm sure they are19:08
stevemarare useless***19:08
dtroyeroh, yeah19:08
stevemarsince folks are either: a) exhausted or b) traveling back home19:08
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stevemari like the concept of the meetup, but the timing is just terribad19:08
stevemarwe should do a skunkworks one and have it on tuesday during the sessions :P19:09
dtroyeryup.  maybe with only a 4 day schedule it doesn't feel quite as bad…plus none in the morning19:09
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dtroyerI'll put in for one fishbowl and one workroom then and see what happens19:10
stevemaryeah19:10
stevemarthe meetup would very useful if we could just have a few cores hangout and code19:10
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dtroyerI hope rtheis comes… I'd just like to get the gang together once ;)19:11
stevemar:)19:12
dtroyer#topic 3.0 release19:12
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dtroyer[this is mostly for the record, we both know whazzup]19:12
stevemarhope tang and huanxuan come too!19:12
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stevemari thought tangchen did a lot of of coding when he first joined osc, then we all saw huanxuan... :|19:13
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dtroyer:)19:13
dtroyerfolks want network!19:13
stevemardo they ever!19:13
stevemarat openstacksv i talked with SpamapS and he said he exclusively uses osc :D19:13
stevemarso so, 3.0.019:14
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stevemarjust waiting for a few patches to land19:14
dtroyerThe release has been a total trainwreck for 2 weeks, trying to get a grip on o-c-c brokenness, fix one thing and discover another problem.19:14
stevemardtroyer: are you at all worried about the hacks?19:14
dtroyerso yeah, I need to double-check the docs and relnotes yet, I think they're good to go19:14
dtroyerworried?  no, they work, but ugly as sin19:15
stevemarha19:15
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stevemari guess occ won't be changing anything now19:15
dtroyerI'm still trying to decide how to fix o-c-c, the 1.19.1 fix actually made things worse19:15
stevemar:(19:16
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dtroyerso I'm going to start breaking things down into small chunks so we can build a replacement gor get_one_cloud() that does what it needs to and let the rest of the folk use their ugliness19:16
stevemardtroyer: does dhellmann/ttx/dims know that we want to release 3.0.0 today/tomorrow?19:16
dtroyerNot specifically, and I expect they'll sit on it until Monday.  I don't want to be fixing things over the weekend meyself19:17
dtroyerI'm only going to the Mother Ship in Portland so I'll be around if needed19:17
stevemartahts helpful19:17
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stevemarthe week of 22 is lib freeze for non-client libs19:17
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stevemarso we do have a one week buffer .... #famouslastwords19:18
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dtroyerya, this went on far too long19:18
stevemardhellmann: thoughts on the upcoming 3.0 release for osc?19:19
stevemardhellmann: from a release perspective19:19
dhellmannstevemar : it's thursday, so either today or next week19:19
stevemardhellmann: theres a massive list of changes19:19
stevemarthursday at 11:59 EST works right?! :)19:20
dtroyerdhellmann: what time today?  If I can get folk to stop re-triggering the check jobs I might make it19:20
dhellmannthen I'd suggest next week at a time when the team will be around19:20
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dtroyerI'm going to propose the change whenever it is ready, if it's past your cutoff, I understand19:20
dhellmannit's already fairly late in the day on the east coast :-/19:20
dhellmannok, that works19:20
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stevemardtroyer: the changes i approved in keystone in the morning are merging now, so osc ones should be a few hours away (they are not in integrated merge queue)19:21
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stevemarsounds like monday is the big day19:22
dtroyerI've been watching the status…unfortunately, resetting 354214 totally took us out of the possibility of anything before dinner my time19:22
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stevemarmy bad :(19:23
dtroyerwhat's one more week?19:23
dtroyer#topic open discussion19:24
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stevemardtroyer: weekend* :P19:24
dtroyerI'm skipping the usual...19:25
stevemarya19:25
stevemaroh, i tried to push knikolla your way to implement token caching19:25
stevemarhe's a damn good coder19:25
dtroyerI talked to him a bit, thanks19:25
dtroyerthere's another wart that o-c-c grew that we need to be careful of19:26
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stevemardtroyer: i also told the cinder team i would create a matrix that has all the cinder CLIs and openstack CLIs in a doc19:27
stevemarand they can see what it's lacking19:27
knikollao/19:27
stevemari think they really want to see that19:27
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dtroyerI thought they already had that? in a BP somewhere?19:28
stevemaryeah, in a BP, but i think it's not translating well19:28
stevemari'll make a google doc19:28
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stevemareh?19:29
dtroyernevermind19:29
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stevemaryou and your crazy references19:30
dtroyerI know, right?19:30
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dtroyerwell, anything else?19:31
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stevemarnot from me19:32
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stevemarpart of me worries how the plugins will deal with this19:33
stevemarbut ....19:33
stevemarif they are at all affected19:33
dtroyerthey shouldn't be at all, that code stayed in osc19:33
dtroyerthe migration of plugins using osc-lib should be done slowly at first, not an all-at-once thing19:34
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dtroyerok then, let's go watch Zuul ;)19:35
stevemari see19:35
stevemaragreed19:35
stevemari just don't want the plugins to start printing deprecation warnings19:36
stevemarlets go watch zuul19:36
stevemargonna go for a walk, back in 2019:36
dtroyer#endmeeting19:36
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cinerama#startmeeting diskimage_builder20:00
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cineramahi folks20:01
cineramaif we don't get anyone this is going to be pretty short :)20:01
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greghaynesohai20:02
greghaynessorry, was just in a cal20:03
greghayneshaha20:03
cineramahey!20:03
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greghaynesyea, I had meetings lined up back-to-back, ofc they run over20:03
cineramaugh.20:03
cineramaanyway, got anything for the agenda today? it's been fairly quiet20:03
greghaynesYea, I think we have dib on PTO20:03
greghaynesthe big thing is sort of a selfish patch that I really really want us to review because it has caught so many regressions in CI but we catch them after we release since we havent merged it yet20:04
* greghaynes looks20:04
cineramafor me: i want to revisit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334785 and friends20:04
greghayneshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/181162/20:05
cineramaand andreas' refactoring changes20:05
greghayneswhich I think needs ianw's eyes because I believe its failing on a bug we have for centos20:05
ianwhey20:05
greghayneshello there :)20:05
cineramahi!20:05
greghaynescinerama: I'm with you on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33478520:05
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greghaynesianw: I'd like to get ^ merged, left you a comment on there20:06
greghaynesan annoying one, sorry20:06
cineramahow are we doing release management? if we have stuff we want to do for 2.0 should we just start landing it?20:06
greghaynesianw: does it sound fine to do that in 2.0?20:06
greghaynesyea. so thats probably a good thing to get a solid plan for - how are we going to 2.0...20:07
ianwi feel like maybe a feature branch might be a good idea20:07
greghaynesI think so too20:07
cineramathat is an option20:07
ianwbecause we kind of need to be able to release quickly if something is messed up for infra20:07
ianwor tripelo20:08
cineramayup20:08
cineramathat might give us some more scope to land some of these big changes20:08
greghaynesThe other big side is to make sure features we put in that are breaking we put in corresponding deprecation warnings in to dib master20:08
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ianwtrue, although nobody reads warnings :)  unless we have a -Werror type thing20:09
greghaynesYea, they are more of a CYA thing it seems like, which is :(20:09
greghaynesI'd support a -werror for sure20:09
cineramasounds good20:10
ianwthere's the "organisational" stuff i'd like to look at too, like moving disk-image-create to an entry-point function, and moving the elements under the python pkg20:10
greghaynesI'm thinking though, if we can detect the case for the element overriding behavior change (for example) we can deprecate and fail with werror20:10
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cineramaso do we have a rough consensus on 1) cutting a 2.0 feature branch & landing big stuff there 2) add -werror 3) add deprecation warnings?20:10
greghaynesyep, same, if we can spit out "this is going away" ASAP that gives us more flexibility to remove it sooner20:11
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greghaynesI really like the idea of moving to all entrypoints btw :)20:11
greghaynescinerama: I think so20:11
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cinerama#agreed cut 2.0 feature branch20:11
greghaynesIt'd be great if the plan could get written up. I know ianw has a feature list, so now the process would be good just so we can get feedback20:12
cinerama#agreed add werror20:12
cinerama#agreed add deprecation warnings (using werror)20:12
cineramawoo irc features20:12
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cineramado we have a link to the feature list?20:12
greghayneswhat I am wondering actually - if we feature branch are we going to still deprecate?20:12
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greghayneslike, if we add the entrypoint change in the feature branch, how can we properly deprecate that in master20:13
greghaynessince master wont have the alternative20:13
ianwwell, i don't think there's really anything to deprecate in that case, really20:13
ianwit should be transparent20:13
greghaynesianw: I think removal of the bin/foo needs some deprecation, theres folks who run them directly20:13
greghaynesunless we want to leave them forever20:14
ianwwell there's still a script there, it's just a #!/bin/python script instead of a #!/bin/bash20:14
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greghaynesah, ok. And then it just calls the same thing as the entrypoint?20:14
bkeroand for those who invoke via 'sh bin/disk-image-create'?20:15
greghaynesbkero: Yea, I think ianw is saying we leave the scripts but make them python20:15
bkeroDunno if we want to do this -- but what other projects have done is just leave the script in place, but gut it and make it call a separately named python script20:15
bkeroI don't think dib has a big enough legacy to need something like that though20:16
ianwbkero: that wouldn't be that safe ... /bin/sh can be dash on ubuntu and would  just completely fail with the bash in dib20:16
bkeroianw: it's dash in sh-compatibility mode though20:16
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ianwbut i mean, in general, there's always that grey area of "undefined behaviour"20:16
ianwthe element override is similar20:17
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greghaynesSo how about this, stuff which we dont need to deprecate or we can deprecate we dont need ot feature branch - we can just put it in master with a deprecation warning?20:17
cineramathat sounds good20:17
greghaynesthen we flag the things in the 2.0 etherpad which are breaking and feature branch them20:17
ianwwell, yeah, but so far we've pretty much failed at that20:18
ianwthese much "bigger" things20:18
ianwbecause we've always had in our mind "if infra breaks tomorrow, we've got to push a release on this"20:18
greghaynesYea, sorry,my tl;dr is I have a big internal project wrapping up nowish and I'm arguing to take a break to do some large dib work once its closed20:18
greghaynesright, theres that fear too - I really worry about that with anything backwards incompat20:19
greghaynesso for that - I think we could actually get a CI job for some of these larger and more fragile images20:19
ianwyeah, if we have the branch, we could do a little more sanity checking20:19
ianwwith the pressure off20:20
greghaynesand really https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181162/ and friends, if those merge that would give us a ton more confidence20:20
greghayneshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/204639/ being the other one20:20
greghaynesthey keep getting hung up because we land bugs the tests would have caught20:20
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cineramaheh yeah20:21
ianwsure, also i got the nodepool dsvm bit working20:21
ianwtest i mean20:21
cineramasounds like once we have those in we should be able to start landing refactoring &c20:21
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greghaynesianw: yea, thats actually a really good point about the feature branch - we can have folks test with it20:22
bkerogreghaynes: what's needed to land those? Just a jenkins recheck and rebase?20:22
greghaynesbkero: I think they are hung up on actual dib bugs20:22
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bkerooh20:22
greghaynesI tihnk the centos locale bug is the first one20:22
greghaynesianw: so maybe we can convince infra to help a bit with that - add an image using dib 2.0?20:23
ianwyep, i feel like if we get things into a branch, our next meeting might be more "what extra testing should we do on dib 2.0 branch"20:23
greghaynesSGTM20:23
cineramanice20:23
ianwgreghaynes: yeah, but even still, i can easily be doing offline testing of infra builds with a 2.0 branch20:24
greghaynesyep, true20:24
greghaynesok, so someone needs to ask infra for a 2.0 branch I think20:24
ianwalright, i'll take it as an action item to do that20:24
greghaynesawesome20:24
ianwand i'll email out when done20:25
cineramathanks20:25
greghaynessounds good20:25
greghaynesianw: I also need to pick your brain on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181162/20:25
greghaynesianw: its the mmap / bus error thing20:26
ianwi guess the only thing is, what's the end point for the branch?  will we just never think it's finished?20:26
cineramai guess we need to agree on what features should be part of it and then go when they are complete20:26
greghaynesianw: maybe we timebox it?20:26
greghaynesheh20:26
cineramathat's another option20:26
cineramamaybe smarter20:26
greghaynesthis is sounding like a openstack dev cycle TBH20:27
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cineramayeah i was imagining spec approvals and such20:27
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ianwgreghaynes: ahh, that :(  i think for fedora 24, that problem goes away, they've moved to sensible locale packages.  centos might be the hangup20:28
cineramait's a model we could follow more informally20:28
greghaynesianw: yep, it is20:28
bkeroianw: so does that mean locale workarounds in the centos element?20:28
greghaynesso maybe we have have a time limit where we try and cut the release by?20:29
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cineramawhen?20:29
greghaynesI actually need to reread the feature list before I can answer that20:29
ianwyeah, maybe everyone add what they want into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib2.020:29
greghaynesbut i'm thinking ~6moish, maybe we just try and line it up with the openstack release20:29
bkeroSo cut a release when the rest of the projects do?20:30
bkeroIsn't there an org that arranges all that? Maybe add dib to that list?20:30
greghaynesyep, thats kind of what I was getting at, its starting to just sound like the openstack release process20:31
ianwbkero: unfortunately, centos 7 doesn't really have a nice/documented way to clear out unnecessary locales20:31
greghayneswhich isnt a bad thing20:31
bkeroianw: If I recall, can't we supply a /etc/locale.gen file in the element and tell it to rebuild?20:31
bkeroMaybe this is off-topic for the meeting and should be discussed in #openstack-dib20:32
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greghaynesok. So this is super unsatisfying to say but I think first we need to nail down the feature list and the requirements for what is going to break backwards compat. I've kind of failed at putting enough effort in to it so maybe we can set a deadline on that for next meeting?20:32
cineramabkero: *shrug* we have time20:32
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ianwthe only thing i'd say about that is that it's not yet clear if this is just because we've hit a bit of a log-jam of big features, or if it's going to be like for this forever20:32
greghaynesianw: yea, I agree with that20:33
cineramawe have a limited amount of core bandwidth20:33
greghaynesianw: I really hope this is a log jam20:33
ianwyeah, if we clear out some of this big stuff, maybe we go back to humming along with point releases happily for a long time20:34
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cineramai think so20:34
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ianwif it's not happening, then maybe we look at more formal release cycles, etc20:34
greghaynesbut anyhow, if we can get that solidified for next meeting and have a thing on the agenda for discussing how we want those specific features to merge that should move us forward20:34
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greghaynesrather than a general plan we can basically just walk through the feature list and say for each feature how do we want to land it20:35
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greghaynesand I suspect that is some of them go in to feature branch and hopefully with a clear end in sight?20:35
bkeroSounds doable20:35
bkeroYou can also mark them as 2.0 even if they're in feature branch so you can know when to expect to land them (and an order)20:36
ianwok, well for mine, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib2.0 is pretty much the list of things20:36
ianwnot all of it is strictly backwards incompat20:36
ianwbut it's changing a lot of undefined behvaiour20:36
ianwwhich is maybe the same thing20:36
cineramatrue20:36
greghaynesyea, we have some license there depending on how big of a surface area it is20:37
greghaynestechnically it is but we can be reasonable if its super corner case or whatnot20:37
ianwthings like disk-image-create moving from #!/bin/bash to #!/bin/python20:37
greghaynesYea, tahts fine I think20:38
greghaynesas long as the actual interface is the same20:38
cineramaspeaking from a bifrost perspective as long as the flags etc are the same should be fine20:39
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greghaynesdoes that sound good as an action item though - go through the list and formulate a plan for each feature whether we can implement it backwards compat or if not then flag it as 2.0 feature branch. Try to get a list of 2.0 feature branch things for next meeting and then get consensus if its something we can see merging withing a reasonable timeframe?20:40
cineramasgtm20:40
ianwwell i keep saying it :) -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib2.020:40
greghaynesianw: yep, those are some backwards compat doable and some not so its just go through that list?20:41
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ianwor add missing things to it20:41
greghaynesand also probably through andreas' patches to see if any of them need to be feature branchey20:41
bkeroLet's go through the list and categorize things20:41
ianwi have a huge blind spot for the uefi stuff for example20:42
bkeroAre there UEFI reviews?20:42
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ianwi just have zero experience building stuff for that environment20:42
bkeroOh. I have a bit of experience if you can point me at some reviews.20:42
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greghaynesThere were 2 think, I think one merged20:42
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cineramaoh yes20:42
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bkeroBeing able to make ESP partitions, installing programs, and updating EFI variables for boot order would be a good feature20:43
cineramahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/287784/ is still pending20:43
cineramahad a +2 from greghaynes recently20:43
cineramabkero you might want to have a look20:43
bkerosure20:43
bkeroWe can also add testing using tianocore's kvm biosfile20:44
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greghaynes#action everyone to read through https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib2.0 - categorize features as things which need to be part of the 2.0 feature branch or we can implement in a backwards compat manner. Also add any changes which may need to be similarly categorized and are missing (review andreas' refactoring code for example)20:44
cineramahow do we feel about uefi as a 2.0 thing vs a regular thing20:45
greghaynescinerama: its just a matter of if its backwards compat doable, I dont remember seeing anything which wasnt20:45
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cineramak20:45
bkeroIt sounds like we need a....spreadsheet. <320:45
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greghaynesheh, I think we can just label on the etherpad, it isnt that large of a list I hope20:46
greghaynesI really hope20:46
greghaynesmaybe compile it out in to something20:46
bkerocinerama: The EFI support looks pretty contained to the vm and bootloader elements. I need to read the patch to figure out how invasive it is inside the elements though.20:46
cineramawe could add something as a spec i guess20:46
greghaynesbut really first I think we all need to put the review time in on those features so we can get consensus20:46
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cineramabkero: feel free to throw your thoughts in on the review20:47
bkerocinerama: I will as soon as the meeting is over :)20:47
cineramaanyone have anything else to discuss?20:48
greghaynesoh, yes20:49
greghaynesI need feedback on a cores thing20:49
greghaynesactually, two things20:49
cineramashoot20:49
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greghaynesso first I didnt get much feedback on us becoming a project team, I hope thats a good and not a bad thing20:49
greghaynesas in, are there any objections to it...20:49
cineramaright20:49
greghaynesbecause if not then we need to do the whole propose a project team, elect a ptl dance20:50
cineramawith various stuff like the meeting, channel, etc going through i think we're more convincing20:50
cineramaas an independent entity20:51
greghaynesright, IMO it makes sense but hopefully theres consensus20:51
greghaynesianw: ^ thoughts?20:51
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greghaynesthe second thing is - right now we have tripleo-core as a subset of dib-core which I'd like to remove but keep on folks who have done 2 or more reviews this past cycle by adding them to dib-core if thats ok?20:52
ianwahh, i dunno?  :)  i'm not sure i have anything much to say20:52
greghaynesboth things kind of need consensus from the core team but I didnt get ML feedback20:52
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greghaynesok. As long as its not an objection :) mostly just trying to not run off changing the project without core consent :p20:53
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cineramathat sounds fine with me, we can grandfather folks in who are interested20:54
greghaynesgood deal20:54
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ianwno, no objections20:54
ianwi'm glad someone is thinking about it, so i don't have to :)20:54
greghayneshaha, fair enough20:54
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greghaynesok, thats all I have...20:55
cineramame too.20:55
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greghaynesO/20:55
cinerama#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib2.020:56
cinerama(before i forget)20:56
bkeroSo next meeting we go over the dib 2.0 etherpad and discuss how to land the items listed there, and how to define them as done?20:56
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greghaynesbkero: Yep20:56
cineramasounds good20:56
cineramaanyone have anything else they'd like to add?20:56
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bkeroo/ good work team20:57
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cineramathanks everyone20:57
greghaynescinerama: ty20:57
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mriedemlet's start shall we21:02
jroll\o21:02
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mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting21:02
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mriedem#topic release news21:02
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mriedem#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule21:02
mriedem#info Aug 22-26: final non-client library release (oslo) - so if you  need things released from dependent libraries get them done soon21:02
mriedem^ is next week21:02
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mriedemwe're 2 weeks from FF21:03
mriedemand tagging n-321:03
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mriedemany questions?21:03
mriedemok moving on21:03
mriedem#topic bugs21:03
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mriedemthe gate...21:04
mriedemthere were a few issues earlier in the week21:04
mriedemhttp://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/index.html21:04
mriedemi think the cells upgrade stuff was all reverted21:04
mriedemlooks like the image test timeouts have dropped http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/index.html#161374921:04
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alaskiyes, the cells things were reverted21:05
mriedemso it looks like we should be in decent shape as far as CI jobs queue, it's just a long haul to get merged21:05
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mriedemrelated to that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357444/21:05
mriedem^ proposes to remove the postgresql job from the integrated gate21:05
mriedemthere is a thread in the dev list about that also21:05
mriedemon the topic of the gate, i've proposed that we make the live migration job voting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356043/21:06
mriedemthe question is if it should be check queue only, since it doesn't run on any other project's gate21:06
mriedemso running it in our gate queue might be kind of pointless, but i'm not an expert on that21:06
jrollinfra sort of has a policy that anything voting in check needs to run in gate21:06
jrollthere's things out there that violate it, but they've been enforcing it more lately21:07
mriedemyeah i'm experiencing that here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354402/21:07
mriedemwhich proposes to run the neutron LB job in nova check as voting but not gate21:07
mriedemb/c we regressed that and it broke neutron for a day21:07
mriedemso we should probably co-gate on that one21:08
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mriedemit's conditional on the files that changed though, so won't run all of hte time21:08
jrollI think it's a decent policy, but it does seem like it could be a bit wasteful of gate nodes21:08
woodster_o/21:08
mriedemjroll: yup, that's why i proposed check only for that one21:08
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mriedemas for 3rd party ci status21:09
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mriedemhyper-v was regressed recently by a fix i made21:09
mriedemfixed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352837/21:09
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mriedemi haven't personally noticed any other major 3rd party CI issues this week21:09
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mriedemand one more for gating, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355148/21:09
mriedem^ proposes a dsvm neutron job for novaclient changes21:10
mriedems/dsvm/functional./21:10
mriedemsince we have novaclient functional tests working with a neutron backend now too21:10
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mriedemwe kind of need that given devstack defaults to neutron now21:10
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mriedemi'm not aware of any critical bugs21:11
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1608601 was mentioned in -nova today as a possible regression from mitaka21:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1608601 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "create_port is failing for non admin context as Nova neutronclient interactions are not using admin context consistently" [Undecided,New]21:11
mriedemi haven't had the time to dig in though21:11
mriedem#help triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/160860121:11
mriedem#topic reminders21:11
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mriedem#info mriedem is out next week (8/22), dansmith is the backup21:11
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mriedem#info Stop proposing centralize / cleanup config option changes until at least after feature freeze on 9/2.21:12
mriedemi've gone through and -2ed anything in ^ that doesn't have a +2 already21:12
mriedem #link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking21:12
mriedem^ should really be placement API, cells v2 and libvirt imagebackend at this point21:12
mriedem#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?21:13
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mriedem#topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker21:13
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mriedemstable branches are looking ok21:13
mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:13
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mriedemalaski: cellsv2 - go!21:14
alaskiwe discussed the grenade/devstack changes and what they broke21:14
alaskiwhich have now been reverted21:14
alaskibut dansmith has patches up which appear to work properly21:14
alaskiand as always there are reviews to do21:15
alaskiI'll update the priority etherpad, but I didn't think anyone used it anymore21:15
alaskiand we're going to bi-weekly meetings for a bit21:15
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mriedemalaski: are there patches up for listing instances in the API now which pull from instances and build requests?21:15
melwittI cleared out merged stuff from the etherpad a little while ago21:15
alaskiuntil we pick up for next cycle21:15
alaskimelwitt: awesome21:15
alaskimriedem: there are21:15
mriedemsweet21:15
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melwittbut do add other patches that aren't on there yet, like dansmith's21:16
mriedemok anything else?21:16
alaskimelwitt: cool, will do21:16
alaskimriedem: that's it21:16
mriedemthanks21:16
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mriedemedleafe: scheduler meeting?21:16
edleafeDiscussed Yinxin's spec on adding qualitative values in the request_spec object. For now they will be requirements only, due to the requirement of one flavor per permuation, and adding optional preferences would be unworkable.21:16
edleafehttps://memegenerator.net/instance/7113052721:16
edleafeRealized that our stuff in the priorities etherpad was horribly out-of-date, so I updated it.21:16
edleafeDecided to call these qualitative things "traits" instead of "capabilities". Was waiting for the bikeshedding fest, but for some reason we all agreed.21:17
edleafeFocus now is on cdent's placement API stuff.21:17
edleafeAnd the remaining resource provider patches21:17
edleafethat's it21:17
mriedemok thanks21:17
mriedemcdent: edleafe: are the placement api/rt changes looking OK, no blockers?21:18
mriedemjust needing review?21:18
cdentsituation is under control21:18
mriedemok cool, just wanting to avoid late surprises like we did this week with novaclient and 2.3621:18
cdentmriedem: the resource tracker stuff is vague at the moment, so that's one to watch, but ought to be straightforward21:19
mriedemok21:19
mriedemlive migration meeting happened this week, i didn't pay full attention, and tdurakov wasn't there21:19
mriedemthe one take away i had was that live migration voting patch21:19
mriedemsdague: anything to say about the api meeting?21:20
mriedemmostly talked about the user_id policy changes21:20
mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/user_id_based_policy_enforcement21:21
mriedemlooks like 2 patches left on that and then it's done21:21
mriedemi don't think there was an sriov/pci meeting this week21:21
lbeliveaunope21:22
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:22
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lbeliveaubut we have two stuck reviews21:22
mriedemnothing on the agenda, did anyone have anything?21:22
lbeliveaugot +2 from jaypipes, need another one ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349060/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347444/21:22
mriedemstuck as in gridlocked or stuck as in no reviews?21:23
mriedemok, that's not really stuck :)21:23
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lbeliveauok, then waiting for core reviews :)21:23
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mriedem#topic open discussion21:24
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mriedem(markus_z) There are some bug reports emerging regarding "image cache" +  "ephemeral disks" + "resize" which could need some attention:21:24
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rlrossitmriedem's laptop became frozen21:25
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rlrossitwe're having some technical difficulties here21:25
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edleaferlrossit: little early for freezes in MN, huh?21:25
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mriedemi'm back21:26
mriedemhow embarrassing21:26
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1608934  ephemeral disk creation fails for local storage with image type raw/lvm21:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1608934 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "ephemeral disk creation fails for local storage with image type raw/lvm" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Dr. Jens Rosenboom (j-rosenboom-j)21:26
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1610015  Creating an instance using images_type=lvm fails on ephemeral volume creation21:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1610015 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Creating an instance using images_type=lvm fails on ephemeral volume creation" [Undecided,New]21:26
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1558880  instance can not resize ephemeral in mitaka21:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1558880 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "instance can not resize ephemeral in mitaka" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Tina Kevin (song-ruixia)21:26
mriedemhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1605720  backing store missing for ephemeral disk on cold migration21:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1605720 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "backing store missing for ephemeral disk on cold migration" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Chris Friesen (cbf123)21:26
mriedemfin21:26
rlrossithttps://kimfalconer.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/technical_difficulties.jpg21:26
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mriedemso, i don't know if these are regressions, or we've just always sucked with ephemeral BDMs21:26
mriedemi assume mdbooth might know21:27
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mriedemas this in his wheelhouse right now21:27
mriedemanything else for open discussion?21:27
mriedemi'll take that as everyone is sleeping21:28
mriedemthanks all21:28
mriedem#endmeeting21:28
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