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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 22 14:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless, tonyb, stevemar, fungi | 14:00 |
| * fungi grabs courtesy coffee | 14:00 | |
| dhellmann | #link our agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | see R-11 | 14:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | hola, ttx | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | ok, let's start | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic release automation update | 14:02 |
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| fungi | oh, that | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | fungi, it looks like we jumped the gun on the release job and had to turn it back off? | 14:02 |
| fungi | yeah, but now it's fine and being turned back on | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | ah, good | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | so we can plan to run some tests next week | 14:02 |
| fungi | i approved that moments ago | 14:02 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/344302 Revert "Temporarily disable the tag-releases job" | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | I have a bug or two I need to work on today, so I am not likely to have time to run tests today, but monday | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | there was also a change to make that job more verbose, let me find that... | 14:03 |
| fungi | the only other outstanding patch is the documentation on key management process, which i plan to approve early next week if nobody has further feedback on it and then bring it up at the infra meeting on tuesday to get the root sysadmins to start signing it | 14:03 |
| dims_ | o/ (partially here) | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343666/ shows the clone output | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | and that has merged | 14:04 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/339248 Document signing key management | 14:04 |
| fungi | is what i'll merge early next week hopefully | 14:04 |
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| dhellmann | I'll add that to my review queue, though I suspect the infra team's input is more important | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else blocking us from testing a release using the release-test repo next week? | 14:05 |
| fungi | nothing to my knowledge | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | great | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | #topic deliverables that missed n1 and n2 milestones | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | we have 4 deliverables from 3 teams that missed the milestones | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | aodh, ceilometer, trove-image-builder, murano-apps | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | the latter 2 are not planning releases and need a new release tag. I can propose changing those to release:none | 14:07 |
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| ttx | the first two propsoed to change to cycle-with-intermediary | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | jd__ has already proposed changing aodh and ceilometer to cycle-with-intermediary | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | #link aodh / ceilometer change to cycle-with-intermediary https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342917/ | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | yep | 14:07 |
| ttx | that goes a bit against the model freeze but maybe that's backwardcompat | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | that's a bit late in the cycle to change, but it seems more a more accurate reflection of their intent | 14:08 |
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| ttx | frankly it's easier to migrate from milestone to intermediary release | 14:08 |
| ttx | especially if you have one release ready | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | yes. I'll have to make sure that jd__ is aware that we expect at least one release before the final | 14:09 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann: ttx: we'd be ok to switch for O, fwiw | 14:09 |
| ttx | My concern is that if they are changing only so that they don't have to care about milestones, then we'll likely have to chase them down to make at least one intermediary releases before the end | 14:09 |
| jd__ | ttx: very likely :) | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | well, we aren't going to do that. projects that fail to release, will just be delisted. | 14:09 |
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| jd__ | fail to release intermediate or final? | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | both | 14:10 |
| ttx | jd__: intermediary-released is not a way to do less tagging | 14:10 |
| ttx | it's a way to produce full-featured releases more often than every 6 months | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | intermediate means you will still be doing at least 2 releases between now and the end (an intermediate one, and the final)_ | 14:10 |
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| jd__ | what's the tag for "we release every 6 months or so and that's it?" ;) | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : independent | 14:12 |
| ttx | jd__: if you can't be around to do milestones, we doubt taht you can be around to do a RC1 and a final | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | if you don't have a lot of changes, a milestone model is appropriate because you aren't preparing full releases but you're still indicating that you're actively maintaining the project | 14:13 |
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| jd__ | the thing is that there has been _0_ value on milestones and RCs, TBH | 14:13 |
| jd__ | (for us at least) | 14:13 |
| jd__ | so I don't really mind not changing the model and having dhellmann running after me | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | you don't prepare the milestones for yourselves, you prepare them for your users | 14:13 |
| jd__ | but I'm not sure it's sane | 14:13 |
| ttx | RC1 is when you branch, so it's kinda useful | 14:14 |
| jd__ | ttx: in Gnocchi we branch at .0, it's good enough, then we do a lot of micro releases | 14:14 |
| ttx | I agree that further RCs are less useful, but then you don't have to do any | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : I'm not going to chase anyone. I'm done with that. From this point on, projects are expected to follow the deadlines, unless they're really new to the process. | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | branching at 0 and making micro releases sounds like the cycle-with-intermediary process | 14:15 |
| jd__ | we have 0 user using the milestones or the RC as far as we know | 14:15 |
| jd__ | I had 0 complaint about missing b1 | 14:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I guess they could do intermediary-release and do just one. The risk is taht they miss and get delisted, but if they are fine with that | 14:15 |
| jd__ | except from dhellmann ;) | 14:15 |
| fungi | the risk to skipping rc branching is that there's a window where you'll be testing your future stable branch against everyone else's master branch that has already started to merge changes for the next cycle | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | fungi : good point | 14:16 |
| fungi | and _not_ testing against anyone else's stable branches _until_ you release | 14:16 |
| ttx | fungi: that's what intermediary-released projects end up with anyway | 14:16 |
| fungi | so you have the chance for your release to be insta-broken basically | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | preparing a .0 release around the rc period mitigates that | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | actually the version doesn't matter, because we can branch from anywhere | 14:17 |
| ttx | The only reason why we want intermediary-released stuff to have at least one release before newton-3 is so that we have something to fall back if they don't do a final | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:17 |
| ttx | If the whole team is fine with being delisted if jd__ forgets to do the release in time... | 14:17 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: yeah, if the .0 candidate commit is contemporary with everyone else branching (even if it doesn't get tagged right away) that's one way to mitigate | 14:18 |
| ttx | RCs and previous intermediary releases are failsafe | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : what do you think? | 14:18 |
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| ttx | It's well known that jd__ never makes a single mistake | 14:18 |
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| jd__ | I think ttx just summarize everything perfectly *bright smile* | 14:19 |
| ttx | or never gets run over by a bus | 14:19 |
| ttx | or is never stuck in trains in the middlme of nowhere | 14:19 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I honestly don't know | 14:19 |
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| jd__ | I am really ok to stick with the current model, if you don't frown upon us missing milestones | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : would you be prepared to do a release around the time we're prepping the rc1s so that we can set up your branch along the same schedule as everyone else? | 14:20 |
| jd__ | I proposed to change so you would do less frowning | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | "around the time of or before" | 14:20 |
| jd__ | I wanna be your friend :( | 14:20 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: sure | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | I want to not have to think about individual projects... | 14:20 |
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| dhellmann | ok, if you're prepared for that then I think the intermediary model makes sense. | 14:20 |
| jd__ | if you're good ignoring us until it's time for RC | 14:20 |
| ttx | jd__: basically we use milestones so that you prove that you read emails and can internalize the release schedule | 14:21 |
| ttx | so that we trust that you'll do teh RC1 in time and not block everyone | 14:21 |
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| jd__ | ttx: of… course… we… read… how did you call that already, emails? :p | 14:21 |
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| jd__ | I read dhellmann's mails at least, and I think "holy crap, time's flying" | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | good, that's the intent behind them :-) | 14:22 |
| jd__ | "I better not lose time doing milestone, let's keep coding to be ready for RC1" ;-) | 14:22 |
| ttx | jd__: a milestone taks around 30 seconds | 14:22 |
| jd__ | ttx: what about doing them automatically with a bot? | 14:23 |
| ttx | and goes a long way into proving you know the release schedule enough not to f*ck us up | 14:23 |
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| jd__ | the release schedule for Telemetry is basically just 6 months of doing stuff, and then tagging :) | 14:23 |
| ttx | jd__: sure why not, just don't forget to program release in as well | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : there are some scripts in the releases repo you could use to automate them | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | ok, so I think we agree on the change to cycle-with-intermediary model | 14:24 |
| ttx | dhellmann: but if they don't need RCs I guess single intermediary is an option | 14:24 |
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| dhellmann | and we'll review the results next cycle and consider whether that's working or if there's little enough involvement from the telemetry team to move to release:independent | 14:25 |
| ttx | ++ | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | #agreed the aodh and ceilometer projects can change to the cycle-with-intermediary model and we'll review the results next cycle and consider whether that's working or if there's little enough involvement from the telemetry team to require a move to release:independent | 14:26 |
| ttx | (also, if they miss end release they will de facto move to independent) | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | jd__ : I did leave a request for detail on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342917/, so if you update that I'll +1 it | 14:26 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: ack! | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | #agreed if aodh and ceilometer miss the final release for newton, that will result in changing to release:independent automatically | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think expectations are clearly documented now | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | the other 2 projects were described as not releasing by their respective PTLs, so I'll make those changes today | 14:27 |
| ttx | while we are at it, we can do the other gov reviews | 14:27 |
| ttx | mistral-lib addition to mistral deliverable https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340853/ | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann change release model of murano-apps and trove-image-builder to release:none | 14:27 |
| ttx | + a question whether you need me to afst-track any or they can wait for the traditional week | 14:28 |
| ttx | fast-track* | 14:28 |
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| dhellmann | let's go ahead and approve them in case those teams want releases | 14:28 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345593/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340853/ ? Or more ? | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | those 2 at least, let me look at what else is open | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | there are a few others I haven't reviewed yet, but I think they all apply to teams using the independent model and tagging their own releases | 14:30 |
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| dhellmann | I'll try to work through that review list today | 14:30 |
| ttx | ok, all set | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | but we should fast-track the 2 you mentioned and the 1 for telemetry, when those details are added | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on to our next important topic | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | #topic team mascot | 14:31 |
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| ttx | I'll fast-track the Telemetry one once it has your +2 | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | ack | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | we've discussed this a couple of times, but I need to submit our final request | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | how did the discussion of giant squid go? | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | did we decide to fall back to "herding dog"? | 14:32 |
| ttx | We can propose both. | 14:32 |
| fungi | giant squid (also colossal squid) are perfectly within the bounds of nonfiction | 14:32 |
| dims_ | +1 to giant squid | 14:32 |
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| ttx | Several teams suggested some kind of squid/kraken | 14:32 |
| fungi | colossal squid are a little cooler, but whatevs | 14:32 |
| ttx | so it may or may not work, but we can propose it as #1 | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | hmm, ok, we might have missed our chance at that one then | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll send in those 2 entries | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | did we have any others? | 14:33 |
| ttx | do we need a 3rd choice ? | 14:33 |
| fungi | conch? | 14:34 |
| fungi | (sounding the release horn) | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | ah | 14:34 |
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| dims_ | ++ fungi | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | or a ram | 14:35 |
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| fungi | sea life seems to be popular in general across teams. maybe plants would be a good alternative? nobody seems to be picking any even though they're perfectly valid | 14:35 |
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| ttx | or coral, since we are coralling projects. And it's an unlikely animal | 14:35 |
| fungi | hah--yes | 14:35 |
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| ttx | (it also has a peculiar way of releasing eggs) | 14:36 |
| ttx | corraling heh | 14:36 |
| ttx | corralling actually | 14:36 |
| fungi | not to be confused with carolling | 14:36 |
| ttx | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8 | 14:37 |
| clarkb | fungi I suggested barley and hops for infra those are fun plants | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: LOL | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : ++ | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ok, how many of those ideas should I include in our list? | 14:38 |
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| ttx | I'll admit the whole coral idea is pretty far-stretched | 14:38 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not sure I want to have to explain that to everyone every time they see the logo :-) | 14:40 |
| ttx | We could still the beaver since they vut branches | 14:40 |
| ttx | steal* | 14:40 |
| ttx | but someone else wanted ti | 14:40 |
| ttx | it* | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | the requirements team, I think? | 14:40 |
| ttx | they want to build dams | 14:40 |
| ttx | oh well, let's only propose 2, and come back to drawing table if both miss | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | something like that | 14:41 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, ok, so giant squid and then border collie | 14:41 |
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| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 14:42 |
| dims_ | ++ | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | #topic priority reviews | 14:42 |
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| dhellmann | it looks like all of the items I listed are merged, do we have any others? | 14:42 |
| ttx | nope | 14:42 |
| dims_ | not from me | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | good | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | #topic governance reviews | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "governance reviews (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:42 | |
| dhellmann | oh, we covered this earlier | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:43 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to note? | 14:43 |
| ttx | I'm off starting Tuesday next week (real vacation ,yay) | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | congrats! | 14:43 |
| ttx | so yet again missing my release day | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | we'll cover, no worries | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | speaking of that, thanks dims for covering for us this week | 14:43 |
| ttx | yay, thanks++ | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | maybe for r-9 we can plan a status check to see where we are on our todo list | 14:44 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : fungi : i think we need to retrigger ci jobs for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344547/ (or cleanup tag and retag?) | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : are they asking to reuse a version number? | 14:44 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : i think when we cut the tag the jobs were not in place to actually cut the artifacts | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | ah | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | dims_ : are the tags on the right commits now? | 14:45 |
| fungi | would be good to find a way to detect that before it requires manual intervention | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | fungi : we've added a validation step for that to the releases repo | 14:46 |
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| fungi | cool | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | we were missing this new release type, since they use different jobs, but we've corrected for it | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | that's actually part of what broke us when mistral-extra stopped doing releases | 14:46 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : i think we have to delete the tag | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | we need a job that prevents removing the release jobs from zuul/layout.yaml if the deliverable is still described in the governance repo, requirements repo, or releases repo | 14:47 |
| fungi | okay, so there is an existing 1.4.13.0 tag on xstatic-angular-smart-table and they didn't need to alter the contents of their repo? | 14:47 |
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| fungi | we can't delete tags. they'd need to be 1.4.13.1 or something this time | 14:47 |
| fungi | if they need to tag a different commit | 14:47 |
| * dims_ goes and re-reads comments | 14:47 | |
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| dhellmann | the validation job passed, so they're either using new version #s or the version is on the same commit | 14:48 |
| fungi | also i'm surprised that a four-component version number worked. i didn't realize we had edited our release pipeline regexes to accommodate that | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | maybe we should recheck that | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | because the job output says this is a new version | 14:48 |
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| fungi | ref: ^refs/tags/[0-9]+(\.[0-9]+)*$ | 14:49 |
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| fungi | oh, right, it's supported any number of version components for ages. it's pbr that freaks out on anything other than 3 | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | fungi : they have a separate release job: xstatic-publish-jobs | 14:49 |
| dims_ | dhellmann : let's talk to robcreswell | 14:49 |
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| fungi | and xstatic packages are non-pbr so probably fine | 14:49 |
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| dhellmann | dims_ : ack. I'm going to drop a recheck on that patch now that we've merged the new validation changes | 14:50 |
| dims_ | ++ dhellmann | 14:50 |
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| fungi | aha. the existing tag is 1.4.13 | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | fungi : we'll send robcreswell to the infra channel if we need something re-run | 14:51 |
| fungi | and they're asking for 1.4.13.0 | 14:51 |
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| dhellmann | ah, that explains it | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | ok, so maybe this will just work? | 14:52 |
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| dhellmann | we'll see | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | we're about out of time, is there anything else to cover? | 14:52 |
| fungi | probably? i have no idea if other xstatic packages we're maintaining use 4-component versions, but hopefully | 14:52 |
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| clarkb | they do | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | I hope we didn't build any 3 digit assumptions into any of the release tools | 14:53 |
| clarkb | the first 3 are the upstream package ver and 4th is xstatic appended | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | clarkb : ok, cool, so we can try processing this normally early next week (since it's a lib, not on a friday) | 14:55 |
| fungi | yeah, i know that's what it's supposed to be, just didn't know if we'd worked out the kinks (i'm betting the solution ended up being just don't use pbr for xstatic packages) | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | probably | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | alright, I think we're done, so let's close the meeting | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 22 14:56:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-07-22-14.00.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-07-22-14.00.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-07-22-14.00.log.html | 14:56 |
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