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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jul 8 14:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless, tonyb, stevemar, fungi | 14:00 |
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| fungi | sweet release | 14:00 |
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| dhellmann | oh, that's a good theme for a mascot | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | I had been thinking along the lines of "release the hounds" | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | apparently "made up" animals like a kraken are verboten | 14:01 |
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| fungi | which is unfortunate since infra has/had a mascot that is a made up animal | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | you should be grandfathered in, since you already have it | 14:02 |
| fungi | though i do like hounds. it's also a great simpsons reference | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | a bunch of the teams already have art | 14:02 |
| ttx | been trying to get Heidi to relax that rule, but she made a (good) point that mythological or imaginary animals are not universal in culture | 14:02 |
| fungi | i would rather have oort | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | ttx suggested a herding dog | 14:02 |
| ttx | so what is obviously a Kraken here might not mean anything in India | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, that's a good point | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | aw, they get the bad movies too, don't they? ;-) | 14:03 |
| ttx | especially once rendered into art form | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | anyway... | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | this week is R-13 | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | #topic automation update (fungi) | 14:04 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "automation update (fungi) (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:04 | |
| fungi | oh, right, that stuff | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | pfft, work | 14:04 |
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| fungi | there is a job worker in existence as of this week, named signing01.ci.openstack.org (known simply by the node label "signing" in jobs) | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | cool | 14:05 |
| fungi | i've confirmed that the jenkins user on it is able to do basic gpg signing operations | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | I had intended to start working on a job definition this week, but haven't yet so that's on my priority list for next week | 14:05 |
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| fungi | it automatically uses the infrastructure signing subkey we puppet onto it with no trouble | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | and it can propose patches? | 14:05 |
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| fungi | i've got some additional process documentation proposed with a transcript of key generation steps and the config used on the bastion where the key is generated | 14:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:artifact-signing artifact signing changes | 14:06 |
| fungi | i'm working today on adding the change for its release account credentials in gerrit so it can push tags | 14:06 |
| fungi | it's to teh stage now where it would be sufficient for signing and uploading tarballs et al | 14:07 |
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| fungi | so next step is tag pushing support | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | k | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | sounds like we're (you're) making good progress | 14:07 |
| * stevemar sneaks in late | 14:08 | |
| fungi | though the job should just be written like other gerrit-using jobs and it can be reviewed in parallel | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 14:08 |
| fungi | there's really nothing significantly different other than making sure the job uses node: signing | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | the scripts that job needs are in place, so it should be a relatively straightforward wrapper job | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it's just a matter of me carving out a block of time to do that | 14:09 |
| fungi | i'll make sure it's in my priority review queue too once you propose it | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | are you blocked on anything? | 14:09 |
| * dims shows up fashionably late...sorry | 14:09 | |
| fungi | just available time, like everyone | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | too true | 14:10 |
| fungi | all those spinning plates | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | ok, good then, let's keep moving | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | #topic N2 TODOs remaining tasks review | 14:10 |
| stevemar | :) | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | ttx put together a list of the todo items we assigned as N2 priorities in the tracking etherpad | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | let's run through them and identify any that are completed | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | #info document what independent project should do to use the release automation | 14:11 |
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| dhellmann | I haven't started that, but I think we agreed it would go in the readme for the releases repo, right? | 14:11 |
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| ttx | yes | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | #info Final release / Propose stable/newton ACLs (ttx) | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | this is part of the new end of release process, right? | 14:12 |
| ttx | I'm trying to get that done today | 14:12 |
| ttx | yes | 14:13 |
| ttx | not urgent, but goot to do n2 | 14:13 |
| ttx | good | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | sure | 14:13 |
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| ttx | I need to extract cycle-with-milestones targets | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | are you at all worried about adding new projects between now and the end of the cycle? | 14:13 |
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| ttx | hmm, not so much | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | this feels like something where we might have a race condition if we do it too early (even though we said we would do it early when we talked about it) | 14:14 |
| ttx | that would clearly be an edge case | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | I guess we can just review them at that point | 14:14 |
| ttx | since we ask that projects go through a number of milestones before we do them for a release | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | oh, I was thinking of new official projects | 14:14 |
| ttx | things not announced by N2 would skip release in my book | 14:14 |
| ttx | dark spot there | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | ok, something to think about | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | a quick review at the end of cycle should cover it | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | certainly if they haven't joined by n3 we can say they weren't officially part of the cycle | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | n2 feels a bit early to make that call | 14:15 |
| ttx | uh training-labs is still cycle-with-meilstones :) | 14:16 |
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| dhellmann | I'll ping loquacities about that | 14:16 |
| ttx | so should we do the patch closer to N3 ? | 14:16 |
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| ttx | post-N2 sounds like a minimum | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | do we want to declare some sort of cut-off point for adding new projects to a cycle? | 14:17 |
| ttx | for cycle-* things yes | 14:17 |
| ttx | for mme that would be N2 | 14:18 |
| ttx | always been x2 in the past | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | I can go along with that. We should add that to the schedule. Do we need to coordinate with the TC? | 14:18 |
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| ttx | if you're not there by x2 you're not part of the release | 14:18 |
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| ttx | We could document it, but that's how we always operated historically so I don't think we need approval | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | ok, I wasn't aware of prceedent | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | precedent | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | I'll work on a patch to update the schedule to document it | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | do we need to mention that in the tag definitions? | 14:19 |
| ttx | basically you had to do at least two milestones to be included in release | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | that seems like a good cut-off | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | ok, documenting it in our schedule should be good enough | 14:20 |
| ttx | now the messaging around it has changed, but the cut-off is still valid imho | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | #info Final release / Get all groups created and seeded with Release Managers (ttx) | 14:20 |
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| ttx | Let's move the ACL patch to N3 | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | this is probably blocked on the previous item, right? | 14:21 |
| ttx | i.e. to be done post-n2 | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | agreed | 14:21 |
| ttx | next one is blocked on previous one yes | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | is there anything else on those 2 items? | 14:21 |
| ttx | nope | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | #info Reno / Add setuptools integration to reno so release notes show up in the sdist build (dhellmann) | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | I've started this, but the pbr folks want more testing than I initially wrote so it's going to need some more work | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | #info Reno / Figure out how to deal with translations (?) | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | we know generally how this will work (sphinx ties in with the existing translation platform) and AJaeger did some initial experimentation | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | I'm comfortable moving this to N3 priority, since I think some of the other work that is also slipping is more important | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | thoughts? | 14:24 |
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| ttx | yeah | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | #info Reno / add better test coverage for sphinx extension to avoid future issues like with collapsing pre-releases not working for mitaka (?) | 14:25 |
| ttx | we could hack on reno on the side at EuroPython | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | #undo | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | either that or the release job | 14:25 |
| ttx | since I took a few action items there too and it's unlikely to get done unless I force myself | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | I want that automation more than anything else on our list :-) | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | but yeah, I like the idea of sitting down and working on some of it together | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | #info Reno / add better test coverage for sphinx extension to avoid future issues like with collapsing pre-releases not working for mitaka (?) | 14:26 |
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| dhellmann | that's a good example of something we could do as a background task | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | I think I put the priority at n2 because of the issue we had, but that issue is gone and we haven't made big changes to the rendering code other than adding the caching | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | #info Automation / move tagging-related scripts that need to run on a privileged worker to project-config repo (dhellmann) DONE | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | those scripts are moved over now | 14:28 |
| ttx | yay | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | #info Automation / add validation to releases repo to ensure the patch in question is actually on the right branch (?) | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | this was a nice-to-have that I thought I would get to quickly but didn't | 14:29 |
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| fungi | i can confirm they're also present in /usr/local/jenkins/slave_scripts/release-tools/ on the signing node | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | the biggest issues are usually with the independent projects, and we can't predict from the inputs which branch the tag needs to be on | 14:29 |
| fungi | or rather, i just did confirm | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : oh, good, I forgot to confirm with you that copying from the subdir worked as expected (I think we predicted it would but there was no example of that) | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think that covers everything we already had for N2 | 14:30 |
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| dhellmann | are there any items that have come up that we need to resolve before next thursday's deadline? | 14:30 |
| ttx | none from here | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | #topic n2 deadline | 14:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "n2 deadline (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:31 | |
| dhellmann | I mentioned the deadline in the countdown email yesterday. For N1 we didn't spend a lot of time reminding liaisons to set up their tags, and I was going to stick with that policy for N2 as well. | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | IIRC, we only had a couple of teams miss N1 | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | hmm, 6 projects actually | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | maybe I'll go ahead and send a separate reminder early next week | 14:33 |
| ttx | yeah | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | ok, noted | 14:34 |
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| dhellmann | #topic priority reviews | 14:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority reviews (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:34 | |
| dhellmann | I didn't spot anything in progress that needed to be mentioned, but let me know if I missed something you want reviewed. | 14:34 |
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| ttx | nothing left on my side. | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | we'll have more for next week's meeting | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:35 | |
| fungi | oh, there was a requirements freeze related thread on the -dev ml while you were sequestered | 14:35 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098196.html [openstack-dev] [constraints] Updating stable branch URL | 14:35 |
| fungi | could use some release team input on current process and/or proposed changes to the same | 14:36 |
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| dhellmann | FYI, I'll be going offline right after our meeting next week to prepare for the trip to EuroPython. It shouldn't affect the N2 tagging, though. | 14:36 |
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| ttx | I'll be off traveling Wednesday, then mostly off Thursday/Friday | 14:37 |
| ttx | Something about a revolution in the 18th century | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | fungi : so the issue is that the URL for the constraints file needs to change after a stable branch is created? | 14:37 |
| fungi | summary is that projects consuming constraints need to adjust the url of the constraints file they're downloading when they branch. it doesn't affect automation, but it does affect individual developers running tox locally. the question is basically when and how to update that as part of the release process | 14:37 |
| fungi | (and whether, i suppose) | 14:38 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : that sounds like something we could solve with an apache redirect | 14:38 |
| fungi | i'm not following | 14:39 |
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| fungi | how does teh redirect know which branch of the constraints file to send them to? | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | if we set up a URL for something.openstack.org/constraints/$series that points to the actual file, we can change the redirect with one patch | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | alternately instead of hard-coding a url in the tox file, we could have a little tool that knows how to build the url based on the current branch (maybe reading the .gitreview file?) | 14:40 |
| fungi | well, you still need to change $series in those repos though | 14:40 |
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| dhellmann | true | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | so reading the .gitreview file? | 14:40 |
| fungi | yeah, that was an alternative proposal, add more scripts to be copied around between projects that know how to retrieve teh right constraints file | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | that already has the series in it | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | or something that can be pip installed | 14:41 |
| fungi | concern there was further complicating tox.ini or adding wrappers to everyone's test runner )e.g. reintroducing run_tests.sh basically) | 14:41 |
| fungi | having something pip-installable probably introduces some circular logic we'd have to break, and means multiple pip install stages | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | does tox.ini support interpolation using other values in the file? | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | I guess we could extend the branching script to modify tox.ini | 14:42 |
| fungi | tox.ini supports parameters which can either be defined in the tox.ini or passed as envvars when calling tox or as parameters on the command-line, afaik | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | so if we have a SERIES=X parameter in the file, that makes it easier for a script to modify | 14:43 |
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| fungi | yep, we could certainly make the automated editing of tox.ini easier and less accident-prone | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | then we just have to deal with the ordering of branches in projects vs. requirements | 14:43 |
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| fungi | but "release tools adjusting tox.ini" was still basically the simplest solution anybody settled on | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:44 |
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| fungi | and correct, the question we left that thread at was when to make that change relative to requirements freeze/branching | 14:44 |
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| fungi | one suggestion was to branch requirements last instead of first in the release process to shorten the window where things were messy for local constraints use by devs, but i thought there was a reason we had ended up branching requirements first (though couldn't remember then if we did and if so what the reason was) | 14:45 |
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| fungi | so anyway, more accurate process information and insights from someone on the release team seemed warranted | 14:46 |
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| dhellmann | hmm | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | I thought we branched it later. I'll have to go look back at what we did. | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | this is why I want a release manager's guide... | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | I'll look into that and respond to the thread | 14:48 |
| fungi | yeah, i honestly couldn't recall and haven't had the time to dig back and figure it out | 14:48 |
| fungi | thanks! | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | ok, anything else? | 14:48 |
| fungi | nothing from my end | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | if no one else has anything, we can end a bit early today | 14:49 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I'll have to skip my release day next week | 14:49 |
| ttx | and won't be of much use for N2 | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ok, dims and I will take care of it | 14:49 |
| * ttx will likely be in a car | 14:50 | |
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| dhellmann | alright, let's call it and spend the remaining 10 minutes on something else | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | thanks everyone! | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:50 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jul 8 14:50:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-07-08-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-07-08-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-07-08-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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| ttx | thanks dhellmann | 14:51 |
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| dims | ttx : dhellmann : ack. i'll be able to help | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | dims : thanks | 15:00 |
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