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ttxOhai, for those waiting for the release meeting it will start a few minutes late14:00
fungithanks14:00
dimsack ttx14:00
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ttxwe are waiting for dhellmann14:01
dimsttx : i thought dhellmann wanted us to start without him?14:01
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ttxThere is nothing running after this meeeting so we can start a bit late14:02
dimsttx : true :)14:02
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ttxdims: while we wait, wouldn't mind an additional +1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293452/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314631/ before I approve them14:07
ttxwaiting for infra to be ok14:08
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dimslooking14:08
fungiwe should be all clear now, as best i can tell14:08
fungii got the filesystems on static.o.o repaired and back online writable again14:09
ttxfungi: /me rechecks14:09
ttxdims: thx14:10
fungihalf of the 14 cinder volumes attached to that server encountered i/o errors at 08:34 utc, probably backend network disruption in rackspace dfw14:10
ttxyay cloud14:10
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dimsttx : interesting tidbit about the supports-upgrade tag needing a voting job14:11
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fungiamusingly, no outage reported on https://status.rackspace.com/ and they didn't open a ticket for us letting us know there was an issue either. i also don't see any planned maintenance listed there which could be related14:11
dimsfungi : ah thanks14:12
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ttxdims: we'll start in 5 minutes if dhellmann doesn't show up14:26
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ttxAlright let's do this14:31
ttx#startmeeting releaseteam14:31
openstackMeeting started Fri Jun  3 14:31:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:31
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:31
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam'14:31
ttxAgenda is on R-18 on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking14:32
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ttxdims: around ?14:32
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ttxSo.. we have a number of newton-1 tag requests14:34
ttxWhich are all blocked for various reasons14:34
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ttxManila-UI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324788/ I think we can process if you agree14:34
dimsright, we need to recheck some of the red ones14:34
dims+2 ttx14:35
ttxOK, let me process it now14:35
fungialso give me a heads up once they're all flushed for the day. infra will defer the gerrit maintenance window until they all get through14:35
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dimslist-changes looks good for that one14:35
ttxhmm, that said it's not a pure newton-1 tag so could wait14:35
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dimsack.14:36
dimsttx : we could do the ironic ones14:36
dimsfrom yesterday14:37
ttxdims: I'm only discussing newton-1, since we are Friday14:37
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dimsgotcha.14:37
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dimsy i don't see anything else ready14:38
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ttxWe may do Kolla but prefer to wait for dhellmann14:39
ttxdhellmann: welcome, we were discussing the last newton-1 tag requests. I compiled them on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking R-1814:40
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ttxAstara needs a bypass14:41
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ttxKolla - I think we can process it but would rather have your +2 on that version number14:42
ttxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/325068/14:42
dimsttx : of the 3 kolla reviews, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325068/ is the only one for n-114:42
ttxyep14:42
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dhellmannttx: what's wrong with the kolla version?14:43
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ttxJust wanted agreement that this meant they will follow milestones all cycle except for final14:44
ttxsince they are cycle-trailing14:44
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dhellmannhmm, yeah, I made that assumption but we could verify with sdake before processing it14:44
ttxI think we can process it tbh14:45
ttxThe Kolla-K8s one is weird14:45
ttxIt's independently-released, I don't think we support b1 tags there14:45
dhellmannprocessing kolla wfm14:45
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dhellmannyeah, we don't14:45
dhellmannI'll comment14:45
ttxok14:45
dhellmannthat's also a weird beta of a non-1.0 release14:46
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ttxThe last 4 couldn't be processed due to gate issues, but also some were submitted only a few hours ago14:46
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dimshmm, that probably should be cycle-trailing too eventually14:46
dhellmannI think anything submitted "today" is late and we should reject them. Thoughts?14:46
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ttxNeutron one, we need to discuss which deliverable model to follow, between teh one being proposed in governance and the one currently in14:47
ttxdhellmann: given state of gate I'm fine with cutting some slack but close the door now14:47
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dhellmannok, I guess that's fair14:47
dimsdhellmann : guess we need to check who else has not even bothered to file a review14:47
ttxdims: next topic14:48
ttxdhellmann: so, what should we follow for neutron ?14:48
ttxseparate deliverables for aas like suggested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323522/ or all-in-one like requested in  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323776/14:48
ttxI guess that's an issue with asking deliverables/release models frozen by n114:49
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ttxwhen they change precisely at n1 :)14:49
dhellmannif they wanted to change this they should have done it last week14:49
fungiyeah, that seemed to be why armax was in a hurry to get the governance change approved14:49
ttxok, so we should process the tag and deny the tag change14:49
ttxdeny the deliverable map change14:49
ttxI mean14:49
dhellmannthinking...14:49
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ttxdhellmann: it's difficult to go back, because the change says they are cycle-with-intermediary14:50
dhellmannI don't like the release model tag change. If those projects are not seeing a lot of action, but are still immature, that's not a reason to use the intermediary model, which we intended for more mature projects that wanted to release frequently to have.14:50
ttxok, so process request and then say too late to change the tags/deliverable map14:51
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ttxdeliverable could still be modified I guess14:51
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ttxbut not release model14:51
dhellmannI'm fine with changing the deliverable mapping if we don't see any side-effects for defcore14:51
fungii (or someone on the vmt) is still likely to repropose a similar change to split them into separate deliverables if only so we can have vulnerability:managed not apply to unintended repos14:51
ttxack14:52
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dhellmannfungi : ++14:52
ttxOK, I think we can step to next topic14:52
dimsso what's the decision?14:52
ttxdims: we process https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323776/ as-is14:52
dimscool14:52
ttxand we'll -1 the release model change on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323522/14:53
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ttx#topic release model changes14:53
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dhellmannyeah, I've been trying to indicate that my -1 is for the release model change there already but I'm not sure I'm being clear14:53
ttxWe have two other late release model change requests14:53
ttx    PuppetOpenStack https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323027/14:53
ttx    Fuel https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306071/14:53
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dimsi'll ping the fuel guys14:53
EmilienMo/14:53
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ttxThe Fuel one was posted a long time ago but the proposer never rebased it14:54
ttxI'm fine fast-tracking it if we can get the rebase and the PTL +1 now14:54
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ttxThe PuppetOpenStack one is stuck in the one-week-maturation-for-governance-changes hell14:54
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ttxI don't expect people to object to it, but we are still supposed to wait one full week14:55
EmilienMcool, thanks!14:55
ttxI'm fine with considering it meeting the deadline though14:55
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dhellmannI agree14:55
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ttxOK, I noted to decisions on the etherpad14:56
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ttx#topic newton-1 postmortem14:57
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dhellmannI'll work on the astara validation bypass monday, I don't think there's a rush there14:57
ttxSo, who missed the boat ?14:57
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dhellmannsome of the networking projects14:57
dimsdhellmann : ttx : am getting on a call in a few mins.14:58
dhellmanndims : ack14:58
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ttxbarbican14:58
ttxtraining-labs (?)14:58
ttxmurano-agent maybe14:59
dhellmannwhy is training-labs milestone-based I wonder14:59
ttxmurano-apps, murano-dashboard maybe14:59
ttxnetworking-ovn15:00
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ttxaodh ?15:00
dhellmannit looks like murano is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325244/ but is missing apps15:00
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ttxceilometer15:00
ttxtrove15:00
ttxtrove-dashboard15:01
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dhellmannyeah, that's a bit of a longer list than I expected15:02
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dhellmannI'm glad this is only the first milestone :-)15:02
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ttxmurano is actually only missing murano-apps15:02
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dhellmannamrith : we're discussing projects that missed the milestone deadline15:04
ttxdhellmann: I think I caught them all15:04
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ttxdhellmann: probably a small report is in order, once you have processed the backlog15:05
dhellmannttx: that looks good, I'll double check that list when I copy it over to the tracking etherpad for later reference15:05
dhellmannyeah15:05
dhellmannI have a call I need to hop on, so I'll catch up with those things after that15:05
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ttxon the process issues side...15:05
dhellmannI wasn't planning a public email list, unless you think that's necessary?15:05
ttxoh, you need to jump ?15:05
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ttxnow ?15:05
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dhellmannI can take a minute or two15:05
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russellbfor those that missed, i'm wondering what your preferred action is15:05
ttxok, let's go quick15:05
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russellbsubmit late?  skip it but do better for n-2?15:06
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ttxdhellmann: slow check queue you already have a change about15:06
ttxrussellb: skip15:06
dhellmannrussellb : we won't take the late tag, so just keep an eye on the deadline for n215:06
russellback thanks15:06
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dhellmannttx: jeblair had an alternate suggestion of not requiring a patch to pass check before entering our gate15:06
ttxdhellmann: we also have projects for which I wonder if there is not confusion as to what they are supposed to do at n-115:06
dhellmannthey don't seem to like the idea of having a different priority check queue15:06
amrithttx, I'm in that camp15:06
ttxlike projects that do intermediary releases but still posted 'n-1' releases15:07
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ttxI listed 3 in the meeting etherpad15:07
amriththe first milestone I have listed is $-16 for spec freeze. we weren't releasing anything at n-115:07
dhellmannyeah, I noticed a few of those. I think it's fine, we just won't prioritize them over the milestone projects15:07
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fungidhellmann: i think it's more an issue of added complexity to have more than one voting check.* pipeline15:07
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dhellmannamrith : trove is listed as following the cycle-with-milestone release model15:08
ttxdhellmann: ok, otherwise let's discuss n2 tasks next week15:08
dhellmannfungi : ah, ok, that's fair too -- either way, we started the discussion of how to solve the problem15:08
ttx#topic Other15:08
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ttxdhellmann: a few pointers you should look at15:08
fungidhellmann: also if there are changes in stuck waiting in check which are impacting release deadlines, i consuder that plenty justification for an infra-root admin to jump in and enqueue them directly into teh gate for you15:08
ttx    Julien's question about release jobs @ http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096475.html15:08
ttx    Project team guide release process updates: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324540/15:08
ttx(and more generally all release-orienetd people)15:09
fungiwow, my typing just got really, really terrible15:09
ttx    Release ACL dance infra-spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322863/15:09
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ttxI will likely skip my release day next Wednesday. Will try to do things but =can't guarantee15:09
ttxdhellmann: that is all15:09
amrithdhellmann, I was following http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/release_cycle-with-milestones.html and had listed the points when we were going to release things. I put them into the release schedule. http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html15:09
dhellmannttx: I'll look for that thread and reply. I think we want a new job template for jd__'s case15:10
dhellmannamrith : if you pick the milestone model, you don't get to make up your own schedule15:10
fungijust a quick update on the release automation work, we do now have a newton cycle signing key published on the keyserver network (and i've signed it with my personal key as well)15:11
dhellmannttx: for the other things I'll make sure I've voted on the latest version of the patch15:11
fungi#link http://p80.pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x64DBB05ACC5E7C28&fingerprint=on&exact=on15:11
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dhellmannfungi : \o/15:11
fungii'm currently hacking on the automation to handle our key updates from hiera when we rotate them each cycle15:11
amrithdhellmann, ok. I'll push a release for trove n-1. and make sure I do n-2 as well15:11
dhellmannamrith : it's too late for n-1, so don't worry about that one15:11
amrithok, n-2 it is.15:11
fungisince it's basically the automation we also need to install that key on the signing worker15:11
amrithwill make sure I don't miss it.15:11
dhellmannfungi : cool, sounds like good progress15:12
fungidhellmann: less progres sthan i'd hoped for. week got crazy (as it always seems to)15:12
dhellmannok, I need to drop off, is there anything else critical?15:12
dhellmannfungi : still, moving forward :-)15:12
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ttxdhellmann: nope nothing critical15:12
dhellmannok, thanks, and sorry about the screwy schedule today15:12
ttxnp15:12
ttx#endmeeting15:13
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