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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri May 27 14:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless, tonyb, stevemar, fungi | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | If you would like for me to add you to the courtesy ping please say so | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking | 14:02 |
| fungi | heyhey | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | under R-19 | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | hi, fungi! | 14:02 |
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| ttx | o/ | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | I'm going to go out of order to let fungi drop off if he wants after... | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic automation update (fungi) | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "automation update (fungi) (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:02 | |
| dhellmann | I think our goal was to have the special nodes set up for N2, right? | 14:03 |
| fungi | the very brief update is that i'm setting aside a good chunk of today away from our server upgrades sprint to get the signing slave work implemented | 14:03 |
| fungi | yep | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | cool | 14:03 |
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| fungi | so i should have some progress to show for next meeting | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | one small thing changed since the summit, in that now when we release a lib we also submit a patch to the requirements repo to update the constraints | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | I think you said these nodes would have all the gerrit credentials in place to do that? | 14:04 |
| fungi | oh, cool, i know we'd discussed that as a possibility in the past | 14:04 |
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| dhellmann | the current implementation introduces a bunch of merge conflicts, so I may redo it, we'll see, but at least now we don't need folks to remember to do it by hand | 14:04 |
| fungi | yeah, we'll need a gerrit account capable of pushing tags, so also pushing a change for constraints isn't a big deal | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | that's what I figured, thanks for confirming | 14:04 |
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| dhellmann | I'm just using "git review" to submit it now, is that going to work in the gate, too? | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | sorry, in CI | 14:05 |
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| fungi | yep | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | perfect | 14:05 |
| fungi | that's actually what our current proposal jobs do anyway | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | I hoped as much :-) | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | ok, is there anything you need from us? | 14:06 |
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| fungi | not at present. i think i have a good chunk to hack on before i'm blocked on anything release-side | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | moving on then | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | #topic remaining tasks for N-1 | 14:06 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "remaining tasks for N-1 (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:06 | |
| dhellmann | we have a short list with a bunch of notes | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan | 14:07 |
| ttx | did add some context there | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | #info (ttx/dhellmann) audit the projects like this for their release model tags | 14:07 |
| ttx | right so I went through the list and see | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | I was reading over the notes for this earlier today | 14:07 |
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| ttx | I think we should standardize for Horizon plugins and leave the rest undefined | 14:07 |
| ttx | for the time being | 14:08 |
| ttx | 3 options on how to handle the horizon stuff | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that makes sense -- we have enough of them to suggest consistency | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | you list 3 options there | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | I like option 2 or 3, I think | 14:08 |
| ttx | the first one is to skip defining type:horizon-plugin and encourage everything to be shipped within same deliverable | 14:09 |
| ttx | since about a third already do that | 14:09 |
| ttx | But that will likely be painful version-wise for little gain | 14:09 |
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| dhellmann | I agree | 14:09 |
| ttx | between 2 and 3 the question is... should we push for release model alignment at all ? | 14:09 |
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| dhellmann | what benefit does aligning give us? | 14:10 |
| ttx | I'm not sure we should push, but it seems valuable to point out the inconsistency and check if it's not an oversight | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | and why does aligning for a horizon plugin make more sense than for say a client lib? | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | sure, that makes sense | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | so 3, with a nudge to align? | 14:10 |
| ttx | on a case-by-case basis | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | I guess that's 2 but with a soft touch | 14:11 |
| ttx | yeah, just a check that the model actually reflects what the people want | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:11 |
| ttx | low-prio for N2 | 14:11 |
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| dhellmann | yep | 14:11 |
| ttx | I can take both | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | ok. I added them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan | 14:13 |
| ttx | That is all I think is necessary for Newton on that topic | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | line 113 and 114 | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | #info N1 TODO review projects with cycle-based models to ensure they are all set up for relmgt to manage their releases (dims) | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | dims, did you have a chance to look at this? | 14:13 |
| dims | hi dhellmann : nope. time slipped away this week. will bounce it to top of my heap for next week | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | ok, sounds good | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | #info N1 TODO does merging stable tags into the master branch confuse reno? | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | I did not get to this. | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to PyCon next week, so I'm unlikely to do it before the N1 date, but it'll be at the top of my N2 priority list | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | #info N1 TODO (ttx) write a spec proposing how locking stable/newton without changing ACLs might work | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like that's in a similar situation | 14:15 |
| ttx | I'll post something early next week | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | we have time, so I'm not worried | 14:16 |
| ttx | I may work on it today actually | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | that covers our n1 tasks, and I think we're actually in pretty good shape -- we did most of the things we needed, and the things that are slipping aren't necessarily critical | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | #topic N1 schedule | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "N1 schedule (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:17 | |
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| dhellmann | as I mentioned, I'll be at PyCon next week. I'm flying back Thursday, and should have wifi (cross your fingers) to help with tagging | 14:17 |
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| dims | dhellmann : ack, i'll help process releases | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | great, thanks, dims | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | My goal for this milestone is to do as little as possible to advertise the deadline, aside from the weekly email and one more email next Wednesday. Then we'll see how the liaisons and PTLs do with filing their milestone tag request, for a milestone where missing doesn't matter too much. | 14:18 |
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| dims | :) | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | does that seem reasonable? | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to line up before next thursday? | 14:19 |
| ttx | yes, we want to use that as a data point to send ultimatums to disconnected teams to get their act together or we'll consider removing them | 14:19 |
| ttx | (at TC level) | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | if we're going to go that far, I should include that in the deadline email | 14:20 |
| ttx | (we'll use mitaka final as another data point, absence of meetings too etc) | 14:20 |
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| ttx | so it's not the only data point | 14:20 |
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| ttx | just 'yet another sign' | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | so how about I say that missing N1 and N2 deadlines would be grounds for the release team to suggest that the tc consider removing the project? | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | and that only applies to the release:cycle-with-milestone teams | 14:21 |
| ttx | if that was the release team suggesting it, sure... but it's just a data point amongst others that me and thingee expect to use to send warnings to a number of projects that are already in the red zone | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | or do we want to say that all teams need to be preparing releases for n1? | 14:22 |
| ttx | communications-wise | 14:22 |
| ttx | so I'm not sure a warning from the release team is necessary | 14:22 |
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| dhellmann | the warning will come from elsewhere? | 14:23 |
| ttx | if missing n1 is the first issue we wouldn't send anything | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | ok, so we'd warn around n2 | 14:23 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: It would come from the TC. we'll suggest a warning to a number of teams based on past issues | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | makes sense -- let's see if we need to worry about warnings at all | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so just the normal email about the schedule for now | 14:24 |
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| ttx | that's why we delayed those warnings to post-n1 | 14:24 |
| ttx | to have yet another data point | 14:24 |
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| dhellmann | we should think about the non-milestone release models and what we expect from those teams, too | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | ok, anything else for n1? | 14:25 |
| ttx | nope | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | #topic priority reviews | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | I had a few here, but some merged | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | it looks like the django-openstack-auth release may be needed to unblock horizon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322152/ | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | based on something I saw on the ML earlier today | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | if they're ready for a release later today, we should probably consider it even though it's friday | 14:26 |
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| ttx | +1 | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | will either of you be available for that? I'm flying today... | 14:26 |
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| ttx | I'll probably be off by the time that is ready | 14:27 |
| ttx | and at the very least unable to handle any fallout | 14:27 |
| ttx | so if it's just me safer to skip | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | ok, if it's really late they can wait for monday anyway (or I'll do it Sunday since I expect to be online then) | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | I'll check in over the weekend or monday morning | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | that segues nicely into the next topic | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | #topic Spread out release days across team members | 14:28 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, I think you added this one? | 14:28 |
| ttx | yeah, so I added that because I slack on releasing | 14:28 |
| ttx | I figured we could try to have a specific day where we handle stuff | 14:28 |
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| dhellmann | that's definitely worth trying | 14:29 |
| ttx | that way the others are mostly off-duty | 14:29 |
| ttx | We have 3 days (Tue-Wed-Thu | 14:29 |
| ttx | ) | 14:29 |
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| ttx | Given my position on the globe I should probably not take Thursday | 14:29 |
| ttx | Tuesdays are generally busy for me | 14:30 |
| ttx | but I can certainly be on-ècall on Wednesday | 14:30 |
| ttx | it's just a "barring anything else, I should be the one processing release requests on that day" | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | ok, I can do Tuesday or Thursday | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:31 |
| ttx | Tuesday also happens to be the busiest day with backlog | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | I'll take Tuesday, since I do try to release some of the backlog on Mondays as well | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | dims, can you take the lead on Thursdays? | 14:31 |
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| dims | dhellmann : sure, let's try | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | cool, thanks | 14:32 |
| ttx | The idea is that unless specifically pinged (absences etc) you should be able to ignore releases requests on off-days | 14:32 |
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| dims | i can definitely help with things late in the day any day of the week if things pile up | 14:32 |
| ttx | If you can't do, it's your duty to pass the torch | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | dims : would you prefer to split tue/thu with me where I do mornings and you do afternoons? | 14:33 |
| ttx | Right, my day being generally earlier than others, I expect some releases requests to pile up on Wednesday evening too | 14:33 |
| dims | dhellmann : just thu is fine | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's simpler | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | let's give this a try for a couple of weeks and see how it goes | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | good suggestion, ttx | 14:33 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that should improve our general reactivity I think | 14:33 |
| ttx | And also force me to do my share | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 14:33 |
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| ttx | because currently I'm more like.. "someone will pick them up" | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | I won't publish a schedule for now, so we can see how it goes and adjust if needed | 14:34 |
| ttx | always something else more urgent to do | 14:34 |
| dims | :) | 14:34 |
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| dhellmann | right | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's the end of our formal agenda | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:34 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else we need to cover this week? | 14:34 |
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| ttx | nope | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | heh, now that I've promised to do tuesdays, I'll be speaking next tues so may need someone to help cover | 14:35 |
| ttx | haha | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | we'll see -- I should be able to do some work while listening to other talks | 14:35 |
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| dims | lol | 14:35 |
| dims | dhellmann : if you can do a +2 and ping me on the review, i can do the legwork | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | ok, that sounds good | 14:36 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: we are still good on single-review for release approvals, right | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, although I've been waiting for the stable team to review the stable releases | 14:37 |
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| ttx | ok, noted | 14:37 |
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| dhellmann | I figure when we have the automation done, we'll give them +2 and then they can help out with stable releases, but there's no sense in getting them set up with the tooling in the mean time | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | they have enough other work on their plates | 14:38 |
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| dhellmann | tonyb agreed with that general plan, I think | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, if there's nothing else we can call the meeting done early | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | I leave for the airport in about 2 hours, so I'll be in and out between now and then, but ping me if you need something | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri May 27 14:40:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-05-27-14.01.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-05-27-14.01.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-05-27-14.01.log.html | 14:40 |
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