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| aspiers | morning | 08:57 |
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| aspiers | or afternoon, or evening :) | 08:57 |
| masahito | hi | 08:57 |
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| ddeja | hello | 08:58 |
| _gryf | o/ | 08:58 |
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| beekhof | howdy | 09:00 |
| aspiers | hi :) | 09:00 |
| kazuIchikawa | hi | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 09:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:01 |
| aspiers | ok, welcome everyone :) | 09:01 |
| aspiers | seems like a good turnout today :) | 09:01 |
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| aspiers | let's see if we can do things slightly quicker today! | 09:02 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:02 | |
| aspiers | quick update from me: | 09:02 |
| aspiers | #info aspiers caught up with most reviews in openstack-resource-agents | 09:03 |
| aspiers | only one remaining now I think | 09:03 |
| aspiers | also I've been testing automated setup of compute node HA in our product | 09:03 |
| aspiers | and fixed the odd bug | 09:03 |
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| aspiers | and found a DoS attack in pacemaker_remote which upstream will hopefully fix :) | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | some of upstream are aware but IIRC I still need to file an upstream bug | 09:04 |
| beekhof | oh? | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | if you TCP connect to the remote, it assumes it's a takeover due to a migration across corosync nodes, and it kicks the current corosync node out of the connection | 09:05 |
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| aspiers | whereas it should only do that after receiving a valid authkey | 09:05 |
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| beekhof | true | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | #info aspiers find a DoS attack on pacemaker_remoted, and will file a bug upstream | 09:06 |
| aspiers | finally, I went to the OpenStack London Meetup and met some of the Product Working Group | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | including Mike Perez a.k.a. thingee who is now working on supporting cross-project initiatives | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | IIRC, he said there was quite some interest within the PWG on compute node HA, and said he might be able to help find some support for it | 09:07 |
| aspiers | I also mentioned how OpenStack HA is a cross-project initiative but currently we are probably the only formal subcommunity established to work on it | 09:08 |
| aspiers | unless there is some other group I'm not aware of | 09:08 |
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| aspiers | #info we might be able to get some support for compute node HA work via the Foundation | 09:09 |
| aspiers | that's all from my side | 09:09 |
| * aspiers randomly chooses people | 09:09 | |
| kazuIchikawa | I joined product WG session in Manchester Ops meetup. | 09:09 |
| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: cool! please give us an update | 09:09 |
| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: are there minutes / etherpad anywhere? | 09:10 |
| kazuIchikawa | We confirmed that the user-story of 'HA VM' became one of 'drafted' item. | 09:10 |
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| kazuIchikawa | And, next action is to refine the story to shift it to 'proposed' status in product WG. | 09:11 |
| aspiers | great! | 09:11 |
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| beekhof | sounds like fun | 09:11 |
| kazuIchikawa | we didn't have etherpad. | 09:11 |
| aspiers | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation now has URLs for the new user story and spec | 09:11 |
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| kazuIchikawa | The link of product WG is here. http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/ | 09:12 |
| kazuIchikawa | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/draft/ha_vm.html | 09:12 |
| kazuIchikawa | this one is the user story which is 'draft' status currently. | 09:12 |
| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: thanks. anything else significant to report about that meeting? | 09:14 |
| kazuIchikawa | That's it. | 09:14 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:14 |
| aspiers | masahito: anything from your side? | 09:14 |
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| masahito | I started to write documentation about Masakari evacuation steps. | 09:15 |
| aspiers | nice | 09:15 |
| masahito | Some of this is now in PR. | 09:16 |
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| masahito | https://github.com/ntt-sic/masakari/commit/3fd943ddaad6c3e44680cf1c8f4f90132471c366 | 09:16 |
| masahito | And follow up-to-date Nova API spec. | 09:17 |
| aspiers | #info HA VMs user story is submitted in "draft" status, and will be refined to "proposed" status in product WG | 09:17 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:17 |
| aspiers | #info masahito working on masakari documentation | 09:18 |
| masahito | I noticed that Masakari, unfortunatlly, accessed Nova DB directly. So I fixed it. | 09:18 |
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| aspiers | cool, so it's all going through oslo now? | 09:18 |
| masahito | It's via API now | 09:19 |
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| aspiers | sounds good | 09:19 |
| masahito | that's from my side. | 09:19 |
| aspiers | beekhof: anything from your side? | 09:19 |
| beekhof | nothing terribly interesting | 09:19 |
| * aspiers makes a mental note to start with beekhof next time, so his kids don't have to wait longer :) | 09:20 | |
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| aspiers | ok | 09:20 |
| aspiers | ddeja? | 09:20 |
| ddeja | My status: | 09:20 |
| ddeja | * Still working on creating pacemaker fence-agent so mistral PoC can be tested - Looks good, but it's not run on my cloud, probably some configuration issue | 09:20 |
| ddeja | * Working in Mistral to have experimental ACK after message is processed merged in Mitaka - mostly reviews and testing, but since it's only one week till M-3, I'll talk with Mistral core team on todays meeting if there is anything I can do to speed work up | 09:20 |
| aspiers | awesome, fast typing too ;-) | 09:21 |
| ddeja | aspiers: :) | 09:21 |
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| aspiers | #info more work on mistral PoC from ddeja, including upstream mistral work | 09:21 |
| aspiers | _gryf? | 09:22 |
| * _gryf have nothing to report | 09:22 | |
| aspiers | ok | 09:22 |
| aspiers | I think that was everyone | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | does anyone want to discuss any topics now? | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | I don't think I have anything right now | 09:23 |
| beekhof | i'm good | 09:23 |
| aspiers | except to nudge beekhof about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254515/ ;-) | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | going once ... | 09:25 |
| ddeja | I'm wondering what's the connection between the user story and the work we are doing here? | 09:25 |
| aspiers | oh | 09:25 |
| ddeja | I mean, does it affect us in any way? | 09:25 |
| ddeja | Or our solution should be presented as something, that resolves the user story? | 09:26 |
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| aspiers | well, I guess it makes our work more "official" somehow | 09:26 |
| ddeja | ok | 09:26 |
| aspiers | ddeja: yes, at least partially | 09:26 |
| aspiers | and it may help us get an intern to contribute to the initiative, or something like that | 09:26 |
| ddeja | ok, cool | 09:26 |
| aspiers | it also helps clarify with the broader community the goals | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | and helps make sure we are trying to solve the right problem :) | 09:27 |
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| ddeja | an one more thing - when we will clarify what will the final solution be? | 09:27 |
| aspiers | I guess the "Gaps" analysis will make that clearer | 09:27 |
| aspiers | ddeja: I don't think anyone can predict that yet, it's too early | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: but certainly SUSE and NTT are both very interested to see how the mistral PoC works out :) | 09:28 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: ok. I was thinking that since Masakari work is moving forward, Mistral PoC is nearly ready, we can bring back the discution | 09:28 |
| ddeja | aspiers: ok, cool :) | 09:28 |
| aspiers | ddeja: I think we all need time to experiment with the various working solutions | 09:29 |
| ddeja | OK | 09:29 |
| aspiers | BTW I would like to help out with the mistral PoC (or maybe after the PoC stage) | 09:29 |
| aspiers | hopefully I will be able to defocus from our product work over the next month or two, but nothing confirmed yet | 09:30 |
| aspiers | I'm also very very interested in Congress integration | 09:30 |
| aspiers | #topic long-term strategy | 09:30 |
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| aspiers | #info probably still too early to make decisions about long-term strategy | 09:31 |
| aspiers | #info we all still need time to experiment with various approaches and look for potential convergence paths | 09:31 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB | 09:31 |
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| aspiers | ok, any last items? | 09:32 |
| aspiers | going once ... | 09:32 |
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| aspiers | going twice ... | 09:34 |
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| aspiers | OK thanks very much, see you next week and/or in #openstack-ha! | 09:35 |
| beekhof | sold | 09:35 |
| ddeja | bye | 09:35 |
| masahito | bye | 09:35 |
| aspiers | bye for now :) | 09:35 |
| kazuIchikawa | bye | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 09:35:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:35 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-02-22-09.01.html | 09:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-02-22-09.01.txt | 09:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-02-22-09.01.log.html | 09:36 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 14:02:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
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| andreykurilin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally#Agenda | 14:02 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:02 |
| amaretskiy | o/ | 14:02 |
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| andreykurilin | \o | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42 will join us a little bit later, so let's start without him :) | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre, rvasilets : ping | 14:04 |
| stpierre | i'm here | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin | nice | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | stpierre: if you do not mind we will skip your first item from agenda for 10-20 minutes, so boris-42 will be able to take part on discussion | 14:05 |
| stpierre | sure, i was going to suggest that myself :) | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] plugins based on entry-points | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | I have an idea how to move our plugins to separate repository | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | with own requirements list | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | proof-of-concept https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282381/ | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | It bases on entry-points | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | Such way is used by novaclient's extensions | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | It doesn't require a lot of changes in Rally-side | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | just something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282381/5/rally/common/plugin/discover.py | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | folks, what do you think about such type of plugins? | 14:08 |
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| stpierre | would we need one git repo per set of plugins? (e.g., the openstack plugins would be in one repo, the common plugins in another, etc.?) | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: andreykurilin ok I am ehere | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | I suppose it will be one repo for all openstack plugins | 14:09 |
| stpierre | i'm not quite familiar enough with the entry_points magic in setup.cfg -- would we only get to specify one "opts" entry point per repo? | 14:09 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: I like the idea very much, but I haven't review this patch yet :( | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | stpierre: plugin package should contains only 2-3 lines - https://github.com/andreykurilin/rally_vm_plugins/blob/master/setup.cfg#L26-L28 | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so basically the idea is to make it simple to keep plugins with some specific requriemnents in separated repo | 14:10 |
| stpierre | so we'd need a 'rally-plugins-openstack' repo and a 'rally-plugins-common' repo and, whenever someone starts using rally for something else, a 'rally-plugins-foobaz' repo? | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so users can do pip istanll rally (and it won't need bunch of system packages) | 14:11 |
| stpierre | yeah, i understand the goal | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: after that he can run pip isntall rally-openstack-plugins | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and magic everything works | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: I suppose we will keep comman stuff at the main repo | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: he has plugins for openstack | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: yep | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | *common | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: core stuff like runners, slas, some context, maybe generalized cleanup mechanims should stay in repo | 14:11 |
| stpierre | so would we need a 'rally-plugins-openstack' repo and a 'rally-plugins-common' repo and, whenever someone starts using rally for something else, a 'rally-plugins-foobaz' repo? | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: nope | 14:12 |
| stpierre | okay, so we could specify multiple separate entry points for plugins and opts in the setup.cfg? | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: everything that is common goes into rally | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | rally-plugins-commin will be part of rally repo | 14:12 |
| stpierre | so would we need rally-plugins-openstack and rally-plugins-foobaz and so on? | 14:12 |
| stpierre | all in separate repos? | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so andreykurilin knows how not to do that | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: yep everything should go in seprated repo | 14:12 |
| stpierre | and, similarly: would we only get *one* opts module per repo? the openstack plugins are *big*, with lots of options, and that's a big ugly hard-to-maintain module full of options. | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so as far as I understand we don't need to touch setup.cfg | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ^ am I right? | 14:13 |
| stpierre | i'm not explaining myself well | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: we need to touch setup.cfg in plugin repo | 14:13 |
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| stpierre | https://github.com/andreykurilin/rally_vm_plugins/blob/master/setup.cfg#L26-L28 lists a single 'opts' entry point with all of the options for the vm plugins | 14:13 |
| stpierre | that's okay, because there aren't many | 14:13 |
| stpierre | but there are *tons* of options for all of the openstack plugins | 14:13 |
| stpierre | will we need to squash them all into a single module? | 14:14 |
| stpierre | or can we specify multiple opts entry points? | 14:14 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so we need to get rid of that stuff | 14:14 |
| stpierre | there's a code maintainability issue here | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: no | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: in that way | 14:14 |
| stpierre | ok | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: stpierre as far as I understand each repo has own conf file? | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | I suppose single entry point for opt is required only for sample config generation | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: no | 14:14 |
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| stpierre | this looks and sounds promising, but i'd like to see a much bigger POC. keeping it small shows off the easy parts, but it could be hiding issues that will crop up once we try to cram all bazillionty openstack plugins into it | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: yep yep | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: we are not hurry up with this | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: we are working very slowly =) we moved all plugins under common base and split framework and plugins | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: I can try to move all openstack-plugins to separate repo(without tests :) ) | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: now we have 2 more problems how to make autodiscovering of plugins | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and what to do with conf options | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: as well there are few more changes in our framework that I would like to do before split | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: it's rally.task.types and rally.task.validation | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: we can make config file per plugin-package, but it looks like not a good idea | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: keeping conf options iniside rally is even worse idea | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: any other ideas? | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I mean we will keep 200 options that are not related to rally code at all and that are not used iniside it | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | so we can have a separate config files. It sounds like easy-stuff | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | *have separate | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | I'll modify my change to support multiconfigs | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | any other questions? | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin stpierre or we can try to remove oslo.config from plugins | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | hm... | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | no) | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ok then we have only one choice to split conf files | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: I suppose we need to use the same base libraries across all plugins | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I was thinking about removing configuration at all in that way | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | :) | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: okay we can move to the next topic | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | nice | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | [stpierre] 0.3.0 release was buggy; need more transparency, possibly branching/change freeze to protect soon-to-be-released code | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [stpierre] 0.3.0 release was buggy; need more transparency, possibly branching/change freeze to protect soon-to-be-released code | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[stpierre] 0.3.0 release was buggy; need more transparency, possibly branching/change freeze to protect soon-to-be-released code (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:22 | |
| boris-42 | stpierre: ^ yep ti was very bad release | 14:22 |
| stpierre | yeah | 14:22 |
| stpierre | and i have a few questions about the release process | 14:22 |
| stpierre | 1. how is the release process initiated and communicated? i had no idea we were close to 0.3.0, and i would have reviewed things differently if i had (e.g., "this looks great, we'll merge it after the release") | 14:22 |
| stpierre | 2. why was there no official change freeze to prep and stabilize the release? | 14:22 |
| stpierre | 3. do we need a git branching strategy to protect releases? e.g., a few weeks before a release we fork the 0.3.0-prerelease branch and put it into change freeze. that way we can continue to work on master, but we don't merge a bunch of half-tested stuff right before release | 14:22 |
| stpierre | </wall-o-text> | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | a lot of questions:) | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | what about small release-cycles? | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | so | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | 1. I am trying to cut releases asap so people will get new functionallity sunner | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | sooner | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | 2. You should always put +2 on patches if you are ready limitedly to use it in your prod | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | 2. I don't like feature freezes (it's better to have better CI) | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | and not merge bad code in master | 14:24 |
| stpierre | obviously that didn't work this time :) | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so something changed | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: usually I was more involved in Rally, however I had some interal work to do | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | "pre-release branches" sounds good | 14:25 |
| stpierre | but rally can't depend on you -- that's an antipattern no matter your release schedule | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: plus this thing was not covered by our gates wich is bad | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | release-candidate | 14:26 |
| stpierre | yeah, several things weren't | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: yep but second release was ok =) | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: noone cares about bug-fixes now :( so pre-release branch with one week ff is not a bad idea. Even more - I like it:) | 14:26 |
| stpierre | so if we're dedicated to the idea of small, frequent releases (which is good IMO), how can we gain more confidence in our testing so we don't repeat the 0.3.0 fiasco? | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so that thing was not tested in gates and it is still not tested | 14:26 |
| ikhudoshyn | i support boris-42 in that we'd better have a better CI than a defined release process | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: that is old missing in gates stuff | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin | +1 to stpierre | 14:27 |
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| stpierre | i'm aware of at least four bugs covering at least three bits of functionality, so it's not just one thing | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: it was all related to the same problem | 14:27 |
| stpierre | no, it wasn't | 14:27 |
| stpierre | lemme find one of the other bugs | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: in any case I don't like Feature freeze it is really useless | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ^ | 14:28 |
| stpierre | that's fine, but then my last question stands | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | what we should care is work more on CI/tests | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | and not merge bad code=( | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally the number of opened bugs is not reduced for a long time | 14:28 |
| rvasilets | <ikhudoshyn> i support boris-42 in that we'd better have a better CI than a defined release proces +1 | 14:28 |
| stpierre | here's one of the other bugs that got into 0.3.0: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281437/ | 14:28 |
| stpierre | unrelated to the keystone v3 stuff | 14:28 |
| stpierre | and even within the keystone authn changes, that broke several different use cases, any of which *could* break independently of the others, and none of which were tested in gates | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin | +1 for better CI, but it can't fix everything in short time. | 14:29 |
| stpierre | so a single release revealed a bunch of gaps in our coverage | 14:29 |
| ikhudoshyn | in fact it would be great to have a dedicated QA activities, yet I'm not sure that there is a good sample ofsuch in any OpenSource project | 14:29 |
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| stpierre | and just saying "we need better CI" i think glosses over the scope of the issue here -- we're depending on our CI absolutely, but it clearly misses enough that we should be very concerned about our quality | 14:30 |
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| breton | what got broken in keystone? | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: +1 | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | breton: no worries it's rally=) | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | breton: wrong usga of keystoneclient | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | *usage | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so about that issue with kesytone testing | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: we have long long running work on that | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: however it didn't finished | 14:31 |
| stpierre | let me ask this a different way: what is our plan to improve release quality? where is it documented? what is its timeline? and how will it be measured? | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | +1 for page with release scheduling | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | +1 for short releases(2-4 weeks), so users will be able to get latest features quicker | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so until we improve gates and cover all the ways of atunetication of keystone we will face this issue | 14:33 |
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| andreykurilin | +1 for 2-5 days ff, before release | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: nobody is able to test 300 plugins in 10 different envs | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: by hands | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so my proposal is to restore redixin patch | 14:34 |
| stpierre | which patch? | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: that allows us to test this (like run many tasks in single dsvm job) with different rally deployment | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: let me find it | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: it's very old | 14:34 |
| stpierre | that seems like a specific solution to a general problem | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163785/ | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163785/ | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so we have a lot of places where we don't test everything and we can | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: especially with new functioanllity like multi API version supports | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: however i don't believe in feature freeze in our case, and I do believe that we need to sit down and start fixing bugs, until we get <30 open bugs | 14:35 |
| stpierre | so i guess i'm surmising that our plan to improve release quality is to just continue trying to increase CI coverage, but there's no documentation, timeline, or measureables? | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: plus yep we can make release model more transparent | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: documentation and timeline should be done | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I was trying few time to introcude this | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: but we need to start fixing bugs sometimes... | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: nope we don't need to start | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: we need to fix them and always | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: no matter is it begging of release or end of release or something else | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | but most of developers just introduce new features and new bugs:) | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so lets' just set releases each 3 weeks | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and we will merge them no matter what | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | cut them* | 14:37 |
| stpierre | sounds good. having a known schedule will be helpful | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: okay and it will be quite simple and not depend on feature set that we have | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: because I failed to do that when we have short term releases | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: I am probably going to update this page https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16DXpfbqvlzMFaqaXAcJsBzzpowb_XpymaK2aFY2gA2g/edit#gid=1993147046 | 14:39 |
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| andreykurilin | let's move to the next topic? | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: aure | 14:41 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] Using *.openstack.org URLs - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282646 | 14:42 |
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| andreykurilin | AJaeger proposed a change for changing links for docs(from readthedocs to docs.openstack.org) and for git repo | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/rally/ | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/rally | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | so I like more read the docs theme lol | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | yeah... | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | but docs.openstack.org can be configured too | 14:43 |
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| andreykurilin | also, each new merged patch updates it | 14:44 |
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| amaretskiy | docs looks good for me but github UI is better than git.penstack.org | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | while readthedocs should be updated manually(or we should write own job for it) | 14:44 |
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| rvasilets | I don't like this change at all | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: lol | 14:45 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: but github is just a mirror for git.openstack.org. Also, if infra-scripts will be broken, github will be not updated | 14:45 |
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| rvasilets | github and readthedocs is more cute | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | we can use git.openstack.org and additional link to github beside | 14:46 |
| ikhudoshyn | yep, and they are both more trueЪ | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | what about proposing both openstack git and github | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: +1 | 14:46 |
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| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: proposing? | 14:46 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudoshyn: write something like "Git repo: git.openstack.org or it's github mirror: github" | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | in the docs | 14:47 |
| ikhudoshyn | ic | 14:47 |
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| ikhudoshyn | as for github vs git.os it's not a big deal for me -- we could give a link to the latter but use the former | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | offtopic stpierre: I updated release page | 14:49 |
| andreykurilin | it looks like there is no disagreements. what about docs.openstack.org ?) | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so now it's clear when to expect new release | 14:49 |
| ikhudoshyn | but it's more about politics, I think | 14:49 |
| stpierre | boris-42: thanks | 14:49 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: however we need to fix CI =) | 14:49 |
| ikhudoshyn | if we're to split from OS, why we'd use these resources) | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: othewise just clear release schedule won't help us | 14:50 |
| ikhudoshyn | as for docs -- we're kinda have to eat our own dog food | 14:50 |
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| andreykurilin | :) | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | let's move to the last topic | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: your turn, again:) | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [stpierre] keystone v3 support | 14:51 |
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| ikhudoshyn | if we move (officially) to docs.os we'd make sure our docs look pretty there with that theme (which I agree, is uglier than readthedocs) | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | uh that one is pain | 14:51 |
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| andreykurilin | ikhudishyn: agreed | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so did you see document with rally brainstorm | 14:51 |
| stpierre | yes | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so the idea is that services utils refactoring should help us a lot with that | 14:52 |
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| stpierre | the lack of keystone v3 is really starting to hurt us. one of the patches i linked is just the second attempt at doing keystone auth properly; the other is much bigger. just want some eyes on both | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: especially with atomic actions | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: what patches ? | 14:53 |
| stpierre | that's great, but the services refactoring spec still hasn't been updated in six months, and we can't realistically wait for it to get updated, iterated on, approved, and then work started. i think julian's approach represents a good forward-looking middle ground that doesn't abuse wrappers too much, and it's something we can work on merging soon | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282918 | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277225 | 14:53 |
| stpierre | thanks | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42 ^ | 14:53 |
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| andreykurilin | so, imo, we need to be careful with them:) | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so basically I am going to update it very soon=) | 14:54 |
| stpierre | the second one there has already had several people look at it (thanks!) | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: maybe even tomorrow | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: today* | 14:54 |
| stpierre | boris-42: that's the third time you've said that in the past six weeks :P | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: after next my meeting | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so but we did brainstorm | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: and now it's really clear what to do | 14:54 |
| stpierre | but updated != merged, and i suspect it'll take a while before that happens | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I just need to copy paste that text in spec | 14:54 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: :D | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: so if you are ok with that approach | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: that is described in doc then it will be merged soon | 14:55 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: so I will upload and wait for your vote | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: I will upload it in 2 hours from now | 14:56 |
| stpierre | i still don't think that's really reasonable. i'm not optimistic that "merged soon" will happen any time in the next week or two, and there's still a bunch of refactoring that we'll need to depend on before we can completely refactor julian's patch | 14:56 |
| stpierre | at times rally errs too much on the side of "do it right" over "do it", and this is becoming a pain point for us :/ | 14:56 |
| andreykurilin | +1 to stpierre | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | fully agreed | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: andreykurilin so guys you won't stable releases or features?) | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | want* | 14:57 |
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| boris-42 | even if we are trying to merge everything slow and doing it right we are getting bugs and broken releases | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: you said that we will have a good CI in near future. lol | 14:58 |
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| boris-42 | I am personally ok with manual testing Julien patch | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | and checking that it work in background working on CI | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: ^ | 14:58 |
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| stpierre | ok, that's great | 14:58 |
| stpierre | i fully acknowledge that we need to refactor | 14:58 |
| stpierre | i just don't think we should block other work on refactoring | 14:58 |
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| boris-42 | stpierre: let's get merged today/tomorrow spec | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: that will be good balance between do it and do it right | 15:00 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: previously, we did stable work quicker... | 15:00 |
| andreykurilin | ;( | 15:00 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so previously I was younger lol | 15:01 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 15:01 |
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| andreykurilin | you need to increase a number in you nickname | 15:01 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 15:01 |
| andreykurilin | folks, we don't have more time for a meeting today | 15:01 |
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| andreykurilin | thanks everyone | 15:02 |
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| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 15:02:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-02-22-14.02.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-02-22-14.02.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-02-22-14.02.log.html | 15:02 |
| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 15:02:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:02 |
| lennyb_ | hi | 15:02 |
| anteaya | how is everyone today | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hi lennyb_ | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: thanks so much for taking care of the meetings last week | 15:03 |
| Swanson | hello | 15:03 |
| lennyb_ | fine, thanks. how are you? | 15:03 |
| anteaya | I really appreciate it | 15:03 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: good thanks | 15:03 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: you welcome | 15:03 |
| anteaya | looks like a beautiful morning in Denver | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | hello Swanson | 15:03 |
| mmedvede | hi all | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | hey mmedvede | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | what shall we discuss today? | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to talk about? | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | no items? | 15:05 |
| Swanson | Any known issues running devstack on top of devstack? Having dhcp issues. (Having vpn issues, too.) | 15:05 |
| anteaya | Swanson: what is your use case that you are running devstack on top of devstack? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | "devstack on top of devstack" - what does it mean? | 15:06 |
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| lennyb_ | running devstack from VM | 15:06 |
| Swanson | My cloud for my CI is a single node devstack. | 15:07 |
| Swanson | vpn is really unhappy. | 15:07 |
| anteaya | ummmm | 15:07 |
| anteaya | devstack and the rest of the ci tools were not designed with vpn in mind | 15:07 |
| Swanson | Oh, sorry. That was why it is taking me so long to type. My vpn is hosing me. | 15:08 |
| anteaya | are you able to do any work outside a vpn? | 15:08 |
| anteaya | if yes you would do yourself a big favour | 15:08 |
| Swanson | Oh, yeah, for this there is no VPN. I'm just having VPN troubles right now trying to attend this meeting. | 15:09 |
| anteaya | right | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | so yes being able to irc outside a vpn would really help you | 15:10 |
| Swanson | Anyways, just working through my networking issues. Switching to neutron seems to have helped but it hasn't been repeatable. Which is odd. | 15:10 |
| * anteaya is confused so decides to stay silent hoping more facts are forthcoming | 15:10 | |
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| Swanson | Anyways, I got nothing for today. That's just what I'm up to. | 15:12 |
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| mmedvede | Swanson: we are running our devstack gate on VMs on top of full blown OpenStack cloud, so I have little idea of what could go wrong in case of using devstack. But network is always tricky part | 15:12 |
| anteaya | okay sorry I can't understand enough of what you are doing to offer any support | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | I will say again that our tools are designed for open source work | 15:13 |
| anteaya | so any vpn or firewall needs to be addressed by the user on a case by case basis | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | Swanson: devstack is never meant to deploy a cloud | 15:14 |
| anteaya | it is used for development and for testing | 15:14 |
| Swanson | mmedvede, I'm confused as well. The basic issue is that everything looks right but the vm's on the sub devstack do not get dhcp addresses. So... | 15:14 |
| anteaya | some people use devstack for deployment and usually end up with problems | 15:14 |
| anteaya | I encourage you to consider some of our deployment options for your cloud (even if your cloud is one node) | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | puppet, ansible, chef and salt are all options | 15:15 |
| Swanson | anteaya, k | 15:15 |
| anteaya | and have code on git.openstack.org | 15:15 |
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| Swanson | anteaya, technically this is for testing but I get what you're saying. | 15:16 |
| anteaya | okay | 15:17 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything more to offer for this topic? | 15:17 |
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| lennyb_ | I have a question, maybe unrelated to the topic. How can I set guest image in local.conf if it's stored on my NFS folder and not in http url | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: interesting question, I do not have an answer | 15:18 |
| anteaya | does anyone else have any thoughts? | 15:18 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb_: I do not know off the top of my head. But if I wanted to find out, I would look at the devstack source code | 15:19 |
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| lennyb_ | mmedvede: interesting approach :). I will look further, it wasn't clear from the first glance :) | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | I assume it would have something like 'wget $URL' at some point | 15:21 |
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| mmedvede | so it would be obvious if it can use something other than http url | 15:21 |
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| lennyb_ | thanks | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | lennyb_: hit me on irc after the meeting, I might be able to help | 15:22 |
| lennyb_ | ok, thanks. | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | can use #openstack-third-party-ci channel | 15:22 |
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| mmedvede | Swanson: word of caution on deploying OpenStack (rather than using devstack) - it might take orders of magnitude longer than you expect | 15:24 |
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| Swanson | mmedvede, That's why i didn't do it in the first place. | 15:25 |
| mmedvede | but I found standard puppet openstack modules work reasonably well, at least for Liberty | 15:25 |
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| Swanson | mmedvede, A base config should work fine, I should think. But that's why I thought devstack would work... | 15:26 |
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| Swanson | mmedvede, anteaya, thanks for the help. I'll look to deploy Openstack proper. | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | Swanson: awesome | 15:28 |
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| mmedvede | Swanson: of course your network problems might not be caused by devstack itself, so you might find that after deploying OpenStack you still have the same problem... | 15:29 |
| anteaya | yes that is true | 15:29 |
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| Swanson | mmedvede, True. I have to assume it would be faster, tho. So worth doing anyways, maybe? | 15:30 |
| mmedvede | Swanson: faster to boot VMs? If you deploy all of OpenStack on single node, you might not see much of a difference compared to single node devstack. | 15:32 |
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| mmedvede | Swanson: but the benefit would be that you would have actual OpenStack deployment, with more control over it | 15:32 |
| Swanson | mmedvede, True. | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything more on this topic? | 15:36 |
| Swanson | I do not. Thanks for the help! | 15:36 |
| lennyb_ | nope. thanks. | 15:36 |
| anteaya | Swanson: thanks for speaking up | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any other topic they would like to discuss? | 15:36 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:37 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone for your kind attendance and participation today | 15:38 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of the day/evening | 15:38 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:38 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 15:38:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-22-15.02.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-22-15.02.txt | 15:38 |
| mmedvede | thanks anteaya | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-02-22-15.02.log.html | 15:38 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 16:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| ddeja | hello | 16:00 |
| ^Gal^ | hi | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | I know that some people won't join but decided to have a meeting anyway | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | no specific agenda from my side, let's just tell our status | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current Status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:02 | |
| ^Gal^ | i fixed the dashboard default for actions to be ascending order | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | my status: started investigating https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1524477, already know the reason, thinking how to fix (need more experiments with DB transactions + sqlalchemy sessions) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524477 in Mistral "After-task logic runs multiple times if tasks run in parallel" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:02 |
| hparekh_ | Working on Item filtering blueprint | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: how is work going on in general on UI? | 16:03 |
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| ^Gal^ | going good | 16:03 |
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| ^Gal^ | I'm gonna be the only UI developer as Liat is on parental leave | 16:04 |
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| ^Gal^ | and I may be busy with a new internal nokia UI | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: ooh, that's cool ) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:05 |
| ^Gal^ | things we'll be clearer in the following weeks I presume :0 | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | np | 16:05 |
| ^Gal^ | :) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | btw, I may start doing something in UI soon too | 16:05 |
| ^Gal^ | nice :) what it that? | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok, got it | 16:05 |
| ^Gal^ | what is* | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | nothing certain, just want to get some UI skills so that I'm capable of doing UI too | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I used to be pretty good at that stuff | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | oh I get you | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | just need to learn django better | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah, nothing fancy there, just the django stuff | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | and I have some ideas I'd like to try in UI (not shaped yet) | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | I didn't yet touched the JS at all | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | sounds cool :) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | probably you don't need to | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | so, anyone else here? | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok, Lingxian is not here (not a convenient time for him) | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | it's actually not a convenient time for lots of people already | 16:08 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | I'll try to find another time | 16:09 |
| hparekh_ | yeah | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^ | we could try to have it earlier | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | I'd prefer to have a meeting earlier | 16:09 |
| ^Gal^ | +1 | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | the challenge is with folks from US | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | it's now only 8am for them ) | 16:09 |
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| hparekh_ | can we have alternate meeting ? | 16:10 |
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| ^Gal^ | maybe we could try a split | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | hparekh_: yes, that's what I'm thinking too | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, there was an official discussion about that in Tokyo | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | it was for a different team but anyway | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | we could try to have two meetings for different time zones | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | and we could identify two groups of people | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | for some important stuff we could gather all people, once in a while | 16:12 |
| hparekh_ | sounds good :) | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: propose time slots for 2 different meetings (for 2 groups of people from completely different time zones) | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, any specific questions? | 16:14 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I have 2 short questions | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: I saw your patch but didn't review it yet | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | just came back from a trip | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: sure | 16:14 |
| ddeja | 1. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279018/ is this consider a bugfix or a feature? | 16:14 |
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| hparekh_ | rakhmerov: yeah. I need to add more tests working on that. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I would say a bug fix | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: it doesn't add any functionality, it fixes reliability | 16:16 |
| ddeja | I'm asking since the M-3 is close and I really would like to see this patch land in Mitaka, so if there's anything I can do to help (despite revies and testing), I'll do | 16:16 |
| ddeja | ok, cool | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: we'll get it merged | 16:16 |
| ddeja | and the second one, about this blueprint: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ha-spec how the work is going on? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | most likely this week | 16:17 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: great, thanks! | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: honestly, not very well IMO | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | mostly because of resources | 16:18 |
| ddeja | oh, I see | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | I was planning to spend significant time on that myself but had to work on different things | 16:18 |
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| ddeja | ok, I understand | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | the good news though is that I am going to switch to Mistral almost full time soon | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | and we also have a meeting this week about creating HA gate | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | so that we'll try to get an initial setup for HA tests soon | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | ideally by the end of M-3 | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, it is what it is | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | hopefully we'll fix it | 16:20 |
| ddeja | cool. From my side I have some people from NTT, Suse and Fuel interested in PoC using Mistral for vm auto-evacuate | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I mean overall situation with that | 16:20 |
| ddeja | OK | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | Fuel? | 16:21 |
| ddeja | yup, if I remember correctly | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | you mean that Fuel created by Mirantis folks? | 16:21 |
| ddeja | We have one guy on our HA-meeting | 16:22 |
| ddeja | exacly that one | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. interesting | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | a year ago they were interested in Mistral (someone even did PoC) but in a different context | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | they wanted to refactor their deployment engine with Mistral but it still didn't happen | 16:23 |
| ddeja | yes, he also picked up the work on instance HA spec that Timofei started | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | good to know | 16:23 |
| ddeja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257809/ | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I have to review lots of things, haha :) | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | but that is good | 16:24 |
| ddeja | yup, I've just noticed you are on reviewer list ;) | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I saw the patch but didn't have time to review it | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | will do | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks for letting me know that stuff | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | alright, any other updates/questions? | 16:25 |
| ddeja | no problem, I know you are interested in it :) | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: I am. The whole problem is time | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | like I said it should change soon | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | counting to 10 and shut down the meeting | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks for joining! | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | bye guys, see you soon | 16:28 |
| hparekh_ | bye! | 16:28 |
| ^Gal^ | bye for now | 16:28 |
| ddeja | bye | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | @endmeeting | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 16:28:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-02-22-16.00.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-02-22-16.00.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-02-22-16.00.log.html | 16:29 |
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| matjazp | hi all | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | Hallo, matjazp ! | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | hey ianychoi | 17:03 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:03 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 22 17:03:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | (Because of one ' ' spacebar) | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | ah... I'm looking into that bug about not setting status in the bug queue | 17:05 |
| matjazp | so I'm not 100% here :/ | 17:05 |
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| ianychoi | I see. I am not 100% also.. :) | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | you should run the meeting | 17:06 |
| ianychoi | Okay.. | 17:06 |
| matjazp | the person who starts it must be the chair | 17:06 |
| ianychoi | Haha.. :) | 17:06 |
| ianychoi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:06 |
| ianychoi | #topic review | 17:07 |
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| ianychoi | I am seeing the last training-guide meeting minutes. | 17:08 |
| matjazp | no attendance | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | I was thinking about shifting the meeting to bi monthly | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | I agree with you +1 | 17:08 |
| matjazp | ok, will put that on ML | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | Then, every bi-weekly, every odd-weekly (e.g., 1st, 3rd, 5th week) | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | or every even-weekly? | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | well, lets put the options on the ML and see what others think | 17:10 |
| ianychoi | Okay :) | 17:10 |
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| ianychoi | #action matjazp starts a ML discussion about having IRC meetings every two weeks | 17:10 |
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| ianychoi | Then, let's move to the 2nd topic: upstream training | 17:11 |
| ianychoi | #topic upstream training | 17:11 |
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| ianychoi | ping, timfreund | 17:11 |
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| ianychoi | I think he would be the right person to get the info: whether Austin training will be in 1 day or two days.. | 17:12 |
| matjazp | yes | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | in the mean time: how was your upstream in Seul? | 17:12 |
| matjazp | it was due this month, right? | 17:13 |
| ianychoi | Aha, I have forgot updating it. Yes, it was successful! | 17:13 |
| matjazp | nice | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi: you should ad it to the list of upstream trainings | 17:13 |
| ianychoi | Total 35 people attended, and about 1/3 people submitted a review to sandbox :) | 17:13 |
| matjazp | with pics! | 17:14 |
| ianychoi | Hm, where can I post the result ? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | we should also track these "regional" upstream trainings, not just "the official" ones before the summit | 17:14 |
| matjazp | hmm.. how about if we add it to the "Archive" section? | 17:15 |
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| ianychoi | Okay. I will add "regional" upstream training explanation and seoul upstream training results on http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/upstream-archives.html | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | in the similar format as is for the other trainings: organizer, date, venue, assistants, pics, short report, etc | 17:16 |
| matjazp | yes, pelase do. | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | we can shift the text around if we find a better place for it | 17:16 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will add "regional" upstream training description and Seoul upstream training results | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | you also mentioned some video recordings of the meeting? | 17:18 |
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| ianychoi | Yes, but unfortunately, it could not. | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | its ok | 17:18 |
| ianychoi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-korea-2016 | 17:18 |
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| ianychoi | But I followed the same style as official upstream training mainly uses etherpad :) | 17:19 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm.. and, would it be nice if I send an e-mail to tim fraund about Austin upstream training? | 17:20 |
| matjazp | be sure to put this links on the page | 17:20 |
| ianychoi | Yep, sure! | 17:20 |
| matjazp | might be better to ping him on irc | 17:21 |
| ianychoi | Okay. I will try to catch him on IRC.. if it would be possible :) | 17:21 |
| matjazp | I'll try a few times in the next couple of days | 17:21 |
| ianychoi | #action matjazp ianychoi both will find tim freund to talk about upstream training at Austin | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | are there any critical changes needed for the austin training? | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | in the slide content? | 17:22 |
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| ianychoi | I do not think so. We can use the same slide :) | 17:23 |
| matjazp | if you find one, please just open the bug | 17:23 |
| ianychoi | Yes | 17:23 |
| matjazp | excelent :) | 17:23 |
| ianychoi | Then... let's move to the next topic: training-guides.... | 17:23 |
| matjazp | yes | 17:23 |
| ianychoi | #topic training guides | 17:23 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283140/ | 17:23 |
| matjazp | yes, I saw it a few minutes before the meeting | 17:24 |
| matjazp | I'll look it over and comment | 17:24 |
| matjazp | but nevertheless... nice work | 17:24 |
| ianychoi | Yes.. thanks a lot! | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | we must gather a critical mass of developers/trainers, so any activity in this area is much appreciated | 17:25 |
| ianychoi | IMO there are still too many texts.... I would like to happily see your opinions... | 17:25 |
| ianychoi | Also other guys' comments :) | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | yes, looks like we could break some slide into several | 17:26 |
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| ianychoi | Then.. let's move to the next topic :) | 17:27 |
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| ianychoi | #topic any other business | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | I was thinking about hieroglyph vs reveal.js | 17:29 |
| matjazp | we had the same discussion a while back and decided that using rst is more straightforward | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | but when I look at the slides made with reveal.js, i wonder .. | 17:30 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... where can I see some example slides from reveal.js? | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js | 17:31 |
| matjazp | much better framework | 17:31 |
| matjazp | but it has the content in MD | 17:31 |
| matjazp | not RST | 17:31 |
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| ianychoi | Aha.... | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | we use reveal for our other training projects | 17:32 |
| matjazp | I will try to make an example | 17:33 |
| matjazp | with this content | 17:33 |
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| ianychoi | Yes, but OpenStack documentation is currently based on rst.. | 17:33 |
| matjazp | not all the content, just slides | 17:33 |
| matjazp | so landing pages would be the same | 17:33 |
| matjazp | just slides would be rendered with reveal.js | 17:34 |
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| ianychoi | I see. When I attended last Tokyo Summit, I have found that some presentations were based on reveal.js, as you mentioned. | 17:35 |
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| matjazp | it is much broader used than hieroglyph | 17:35 |
| matjazp | just something to think about | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | When I have a little more time, I'll try to make a patch to show this | 17:36 |
| ianychoi | okay... I agree that reveal.js provides much better usability than hieroglyph. | 17:36 |
| matjazp | ok, thats all from me | 17:37 |
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| ianychoi | Okay. Actually I am not familiar with them.. but want to see how reveal.js will work with current content :) | 17:37 |
| ianychoi | Then, can we stop then? | 17:38 |
| matjazp | yes, I'm good | 17:38 |
| ianychoi | Hope that some infra stuffs will be resolved soon | 17:38 |
| matjazp | working on it | 17:38 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks a lot, then see u later! | 17:38 |
| matjazp | thank you for chairing | 17:39 |
| ianychoi | :) | 17:39 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 17:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 17:39:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-02-22-17.03.html | 17:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-02-22-17.03.txt | 17:39 |
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| markmcclain | elo, ryanpetrello, rods, adam_g: around? | 18:04 |
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| elopez | yes | 18:06 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Astara | 18:07 |
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| markmcclain | I suspect today will be short since I think a few folks are out today | 18:07 |
| markmcclain | #link Bugs | 18:07 |
| elopez | ok. | 18:07 |
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| markmcclain | lately there's been some discussion re a deadlock in the stable/kilo version | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | ryanpetrello has dove into it and has isolated the root cause | 18:10 |
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| elopez | any word from drwahl or ryan on this issue | 18:10 |
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| ryanpetrello | yerp | 18:10 |
| ryanpetrello | we're testing a fix atm | 18:10 |
| ryanpetrello | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282054 | 18:10 |
| ryanpetrello | has been working since last Thursday | 18:10 |
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| ryanpetrello | I'm hammering our astara service with messages all today to see if I can break it | 18:11 |
| ryanpetrello | if not, I think we've found the culprit (and a reasonable fix) | 18:11 |
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| markmcclain | awesome | 18:11 |
| elopez | cool. | 18:11 |
| markmcclain | the code in question is not present in master or stable/liberty | 18:12 |
| markmcclain | super huge thanks to ryanpetrello for tracking this down | 18:12 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs we need to discuss? | 18:12 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Reviews | 18:13 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267263/ | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | adam_g has requested that we start taking a look at this feature | 18:14 |
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| markmcclain | RC3 is rapidly approaching and this review is part of furthering the HA appliance work | 18:14 |
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| markmcclain | any other reviews to discuss? | 18:15 |
| elopez | not offhand | 18:15 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/astara/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 18:16 |
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| markmcclain | forgot to post of the snapshot of where we're at currently | 18:16 |
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| phil_h | I hope to start the loadbalancing docs later this week | 18:17 |
| markmcclain | phil_h: great news... the doc contributions you've made have been awesome | 18:18 |
| phil_h | Thanks | 18:18 |
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| phil_h | I would like to get loadbalancing out for Mitaka | 18:19 |
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| markmcclain | perfect | 18:19 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 18:19 |
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| markmcclain | We'll keep it short, so thanks to everyone for stopping in this week... talk to everyone in the channel and on the ML | 18:21 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 18:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 22 18:21:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-02-22-18.07.html | 18:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-02-22-18.07.txt | 18:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-02-22-18.07.log.html | 18:22 |
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