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aspiershi08:59
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beekhofhey hey09:04
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beekhofaspiers: so you saw my email reply?09:05
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aspiersnot yet09:06
aspiersjust back from India09:06
aspiersand my corporate password expired while I was away09:06
beekhofooops09:06
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aspierswas deliberately avoiding work anyway :)09:07
aspiersresetting password now09:07
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beekhofi still remember my uncles' trips to india. one time one was so sick, he'd been back 3 days before anyone knew09:07
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beekhofgreat slide shows though09:07
aspiershehe09:08
aspiersluckily I avoided illness09:08
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aspiersalthough a big wave gave me a nice faceplant in the sand and another stole my swimming goggles09:09
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aspierswell, looks like noone else is around today09:09
aspiersmaybe we should skip the meeting this week09:09
aspierscan continue chatting on #openstack-ha if you want09:09
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holser_o/09:16
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boris-42#startmeeting Rally14:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 14:02:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
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boris-42hi andreykurilin rvasilets ikhudoshyn14:02
ikhudoshynщ/14:03
ikhudoshyno/14:03
rvasiletso/14:03
boris-42seems like we have emtpy agenda14:03
boris-42however we didn't cancel meeting14:04
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boris-42so maybe somebody in community would like to say something lol14:04
boris-42somebody around?14:04
ikhudoshynso this is a possibility for me..14:04
ikhudoshynto kindly remind about my distributed runner related patches ))14:05
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: hehe ok14:05
ikhudoshynin fact there's still tons of work yet, kon' njevalialsja14:05
ikhudoshynso I'd *really* love to be sure that i'm on the right way14:06
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: ok14:06
ikhudoshynboris-42: tnx14:07
boris-42ikhudoshyn: I'll try to do da best14:07
boris-42after we cut release14:07
ikhudoshynsure14:07
rvasiletsPlease  review my patches)14:07
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rvasiletsFor example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261526/14:08
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ikhudoshynboris-42: btw, what's the priority of db-migrations vs distributed stuff14:08
rvasiletshttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/234195/ and merge them)14:08
ikhudoshyn?14:08
andreykurilin__boris-42: hi14:08
boris-42ikhudoshyn: migrations should go first actually in any case14:08
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ikhudoshynboris-42: got it14:08
boris-42ikhudoshyn: without actually migration we can't perform changes in DB scheme14:08
boris-42ikhudoshyn: and we need to perform changes in DB to get at least stuff chunked14:09
ikhudoshynboris-42: yep that make sense14:09
boris-42ikhudoshyn: after we get chunks it will be one less thing to think14:09
ikhudoshynrvasilets: I'll take a look at yrs, if it could help ))14:09
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: however I don't think that there is a lot of work related to alembic14:09
ikhudoshynboris-42: not that much, you've done the most interesting )) ot's just to add tests14:10
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: heh I need to take some rest after new year holidays lol14:11
boris-42ikhudoshyn: lol14:11
ikhudoshynu do, definitely14:11
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rvasiletsrest from the rest lol)14:14
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ikhudoshynboris-42: r u still there?14:17
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: yep14:22
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ikhudoshynboris-42: i just like to bring yr attention to the fact that the meeting is not actually going ))14:23
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ikhudoshyni believe we could close it 4 today14:23
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: ya seems so14:23
boris-42#endmeeting14:23
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Jan 11 14:23:42 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:23
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-01-11-14.02.html14:23
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 15:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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anteayahello15:00
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lennyb_anteaya: Hi15:00
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anteayahey lennyb_15:01
anteayahow are you?15:01
lennyb_anteaya: as usual, thanks. How are you?15:02
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anteayagood thanks15:02
asselinhi15:02
anteayado you have anything you would like to discuss today?15:02
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rhedlindhi15:03
anteayahi asselin15:03
anteayahi rhedlind15:03
anteayaany topics you would like to discuss today?15:03
rhedlindno, not really. still working on getting my CI back up15:04
anteayarhedlind: okay thanks for staying in touch15:04
anteayarhedlind: anything you want any help with?15:04
rhedlindthe nodepool upgrade turned out to stop my progress15:04
anteaya:(15:04
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anteayahave you figured out why that is?15:04
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rhedlindI must be doing something wrong in the clouds.yaml file because keystone in my cloud no longer like my authentication15:05
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anteayado you feel like sharing anything with others?15:05
asselinrhedlind, which cloud are you using?15:05
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anteayayour clouds.yaml file perhaps or a stacktrace15:05
rhedlindI am using a juno cloud15:05
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rhedlindyes I can share my clouds.yaml15:06
rhedlindone sec15:06
asselinpublic/private?15:06
rhedlindit is private15:06
rhedlindin house. running red hat 7. it has been working for a long time.15:06
rhedlindhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/483436/15:08
rhedlindthat's my clouds.yaml15:08
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anteayaother than sharing your password which next time you can redact, I don't see anything unusual15:09
anteayaany thoughts from anyone else?15:10
anteayarhedlind: what error are you getting?15:10
rhedlindthis is nodepool.yaml : http://paste.openstack.org/show/483438/15:11
asselinnot seeing anything either.15:11
asselinhere's infra's version: https://github.com/openstack-infra/system-config/blob/master/modules/openstack_project/templates/nodepool/clouds.yaml.erb15:11
rhedlindmy keystone log says that the user admin is not authorized to access the project15:11
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asselintry project_name instead of project_id....I remember there were some inconsistencies with that..and also with tenant_name/id15:12
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rhedlindok, I will try that.15:13
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asselinotherwise you can debug your clouds.yaml file w/o nodepool using this example: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/shade/15:14
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rhedlindasselin: you're the man!  it seems to be working now.15:15
anteayaasselin: nicely done15:16
asselinoh really? what fixed it?15:16
anteayarhedlind: yay15:16
rhedlindchangin project_id to project_name in clouds.yaml15:16
dstanekhi anteaya!15:16
anteayadstanek: hello thank you15:16
dstanekanteaya: ok, i'm mostly here if you need me15:17
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asselincool, glad to hear it :)15:17
anteayadstanek: I think a solution has been found, it was in the clouds.yaml file it wanted project_name15:17
anteayadstanek: thank you :)15:17
anteayaby way of introduction dstanek is a keystone dev who popped in at my request in case it was keystone issue15:17
rhedlindI will wait and see if it adds the nodes to jenkins. I can give you an update in the infra channel15:18
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anteayarhedlind: wonderful thank you15:18
anteayado we have anything else to discuss today in addition to helping rhedlind get his system back up?15:18
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asselin#link now published 3rd party ci docs: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/openstackci/15:19
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anteayathank you15:19
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anteayathat looks very pretty15:21
anteayaany other items for discussion?15:21
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anteayaany objection to me closing the meeting?15:22
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anteayathank you all for your kind attendance and participation today15:23
anteayaenjoy the rest of the day/evening15:23
anteayasee you all next week15:23
anteaya#endmeeting15:23
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 16:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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NikolayMhi!16:00
LimorStotlandHi16:01
rakhmerovhi )16:01
dzimineHi all16:01
rakhmerovhi!16:01
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dprincehello16:01
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rakhmerovhi16:02
rakhmerovok, let's start16:02
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rakhmerovsince we haven't had meetings for a long time due to NY holidays let's skip "Review Action Items" topic16:03
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rakhmerovso let's quickly sync up on our status16:04
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rakhmerov#topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans)16:04
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rakhmerovmy status: haven't done much, reviewed several patches today and was trying to understand why a dead-lock can happen as Winson reported16:05
hparekh_Completed Mistral support in kolla, Mistral docker image, Submitted patches for mistral-tempest-plugin, Solved some issue due to tempest code change.16:05
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rakhmerovplanning to work on a bug assigned to me with wrong WF state16:05
NikolayMmy status: catching up reviewing missing patches, reviewing a lot. It seems our unit tests are failing quite often16:06
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NikolayMtried to merge fixes for devstack today but tests are failing again and again16:06
rakhmerovyes16:07
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rakhmerovhas anybody tried to investigate why it's failing?16:07
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rakhmerovNikolayM: is it always the same resume tests that fails?16:08
NikolayMno16:08
rakhmerovor we have different tests failing?16:08
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NikolayMI saw not only resume tests - also test on workbook_create16:09
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dzimineFor Winson: hunting deadlocks that pop up in our prod mistral deployment, blocked on review on Reatart workflow BP implementation16:09
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rakhmerovhm.. ok16:09
NikolayMit tries to get associated triggers for wf and don't find that wf16:09
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rakhmerovdzimine: I reviewed the first and most and most important patch for env update for resume, looks good to me, just a couple of minor things from Lingxian16:10
hparekh_Further Planning to work on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-items-filtering rakhmerov Can you please assigned this to me? so I can start  work on spec16:11
rakhmerovok16:11
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dzimineI began to look at Making YAQL extensions pluggable but won't have time to work on it till next week.16:11
rakhmerovdzimine: ok, that would be a nice thing to have16:12
rakhmerovnot only nice, very useful16:12
ninagdmowrer could not make the meeting. He is working on bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-mistral-actions. Can you assign to him?16:12
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rakhmerovhparekh_: as far as that BP, do you need it yourself?16:12
NikolayMdzimine: do you mean pluggable YAQL functions?16:12
rakhmerovI mean this kind of functionality16:12
ninagAlso, does that need a spec or can he directly start contributing code?16:12
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hparekh_rakhmerov, no16:13
rakhmerovI'm asking because I would hold it for now16:13
rakhmerovbecause we have a bigger task: API v316:13
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rakhmerovand that BP could be a part of it16:13
rakhmerovninag: IMO, it doesn't require a spec because it is functionally 100% clear16:14
ninagsounds good, thanks16:14
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rakhmerovhowever, if you think it will have some pitfalls you can create a spec too16:14
rakhmerovbut at the first glance it's not needed16:15
ninagseems straighforward right now..if we hit anything will look at a spec16:15
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rakhmerovyeah16:15
dprincerakhmerov: ++ for not requiring specs if things are very clear cut16:15
rakhmerovactually, I remember that NikolayM already tried to do that but stumbled upon something16:15
rakhmerovhe can tell better16:16
NikolayMyep16:16
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NikolayMI can't do request to mistral from mistral16:16
dzimine@NikolayM: use stevedore to add custom YAQL functions on the fly16:16
rakhmerovdprince: yes, if the functionality can be trivially understood and the patch implementing it is straightforward I would not require a spec16:16
dzimineThere is a BP somewhere I'll look up16:17
NikolayMif do it synchronously16:17
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rakhmerovhparekh_: as far as that BP, can we talk in IRC tomorrow about it?16:17
hparekh_rakhmerov ok sounds good16:18
ninagNikolayM: dmowrer is aware of it, anyways, will ask him to get with you on irc if needed16:18
dzimineI'll do a spec if needed once prototype is ready16:18
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, hparekh_: discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-items-filtering16:19
NikolayMninag: sure. anyway, it works fine if do async (or from workflow)16:19
rakhmerovninag: just curious, is this BP needed for your work?16:19
ninagrakhmerov: yes16:20
rakhmerovinteresting16:20
rakhmerovok16:20
rakhmerovLimorStotland: Limor, anything from ALU side today?16:20
LimorStotlandi am16:20
LimorStotlandgal and liat working on the UI16:21
rakhmerovyep16:21
rakhmerovok16:21
LimorStotlandand the rest of us are working on internal alcatel tasks16:21
rakhmerovok16:22
LimorStotlandi know that liat finished with the action pagination and gal working on the cron trigger screen16:22
rakhmerovI'm just wondering if you guys have other critical bugs in Mistral that block your work16:22
rakhmerovyeah, I saw patches but didn't review them yet16:23
rakhmerovok16:23
rakhmerov#topic Open Discussion16:23
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ninagI have one item16:23
rakhmerovsure16:23
ninagwe thought it would be good to get Mistral workflows published in the OpenStack Application Catalog, so talked with docaedo the App Catalog ptl16:23
ninagHe thought it was a good idea..16:24
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rakhmerovwe just came back from our long holidays here so don't have probably much to discuss, my goal was mostly to catch up on the current activities16:24
ninagIt will be an agenda item in this week’s App Catalog meeting ( Jan 14th, 2016 1700 UTC)16:24
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ninagSo a heads up if anyone is interested as well16:24
rakhmerovninag: yes, I actually already discussed that with Kirill16:24
ninagCool16:25
rakhmerovI think it is a good idea16:25
dprincerakhmerov: when there is time I have one item to bring up from TripleO16:25
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rakhmerovthe only thing is: WFs getting into App Catalog should be really well-written and designed16:25
rakhmerovI mean quality and applicability16:25
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rakhmerovdprince: sure16:26
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ninagrakhmerov: +116:26
rakhmerovninag: preliminarily, I can attend that meeting16:26
rakhmerovwill now put it on my cal16:26
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ninagok, thx16:27
rakhmerovdprince: you can go ahead and tell about your item16:28
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dprincerakhmerov: ack, thanks16:28
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dprinceI've been tinkering w/ Mistral as a workflow tool for TripleO16:29
dprincethus some of my patches for actions around Ironic, inspector, and just recently swift too16:29
dprincethanks for all of the reviews on those things16:29
dprinceToday I started a [TripleO] thread on "what if" we were to use Mistral instead of another idea around building our own API (called TripleO API)16:30
rakhmerovok16:30
dprinceif any Mistral devs have feedback into my thoughts I would love to have them16:30
rakhmerovactually I apologize for not reviewing actively in the last month or so16:30
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dprinceupstream thread is called [TripleO] Driving workflows with Mistral16:31
rakhmerovok16:31
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rakhmerovok, I'll participate16:31
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: participate in [TripleO] Driving workflows with Mistral16:32
dprinceThere is still some debate... some from the TripleO team prefer to build our own API I think. But I think Mistral as a workflow tool looks to have a lot of merit16:32
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rakhmerovok, interesting16:32
dprincewe can now use Mistral as part of our "undercloud". So \o/16:32
rakhmerovI personally don't know much about TripleO though, only general idea. But I'll try to digg into that16:33
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dprinceAnd from a Red Hat angle... the packages are in RDO trunk repositories16:33
rakhmerovok16:33
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dprinceI based those off or a Bugzilla from Mirantis so I think they should be good for all16:33
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dprinceanyways, that is all. Just wanted to introduce some of these ideas when I have been tinkering with since before the break16:34
dprincethanks :)16:34
rakhmerovdprince: do you now see what's missing in Mistral except what you've been working on? I mean different kinds of actions16:34
rakhmerovOpenStack APIs16:34
dprincerakhmerov: well, I did try a few things that didn't work16:34
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rakhmerovreally?16:34
dprincerakhmerov: "reverse" workflow didn't quite work for me16:34
rakhmerovcould you share please?16:34
dprincerakhmerov: but "direct" was working quite well16:35
dprincerakhmerov: I will dig into the "reverse" workflow issue I had and try to file a bug on it this week16:35
rakhmerovI'd very appreciate if you could share some details or report bugs16:35
dprincerakhmerov: could have totally been user error on my part16:35
rakhmerovyes, thanks a lot16:35
rakhmerovwell, speaking honestly, reverse WF is tested much much worse16:36
dprincerakhmerov: in general I think Mistral works quite well for some things16:36
rakhmeroveven though it is much simpler in implementation16:36
rakhmerovok16:36
dprinceone question I had today was how many people write their own actions16:36
rakhmerovdzimine can tell you much about it :)16:36
dprinceI like the idea of "pure" OpenSTack workflows that just use core OpenStack actions16:36
rakhmerovthey write thousands actions16:36
dprincebut for TripleO I think we would also require some custom actions (I mention these in my thread)16:37
dprincegood to know16:37
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rakhmerovyeah, you can look at StackStorm github16:37
dprincerakhmerov: ack, thanks. I will look for the actions there16:37
rakhmerovok16:37
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rakhmerovalright16:38
dprincethanks for letting me give updates16:38
rakhmerovno problem, you're very welcome16:38
rakhmerovalways :)16:38
rakhmerovguys, I actually don't have anything from my side16:39
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rakhmerovLike I said my personal goal was just to sync up with the team on the current activities16:39
rakhmerovthis is done16:40
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rakhmerovtomorrow, I'm planning to review as many patches as possible since we already have a long queue (relatively long)16:40
rakhmerovand evaluate our progress on M-216:40
dzimineThanks rakhmerov for doing a pitch for StackStorm. It's Apache 2.0 and adds triggers and actions to Mistral, with integration of everything mostly ready on community16:40
rakhmerovyep16:41
dzimineCheck out github/st2contrib16:41
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rakhmerovok, is there anything else you'd like to discuss?16:41
rakhmerovsadly, we don't have a number of folks today for different reasons. Hopefully, next time we'll gather the entire team16:42
rakhmerov:)16:42
rakhmerovok, counting to 10 and shutting down the meeting16:42
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rakhmerovok, bye guys!16:43
rakhmerovthanks for joining!16:43
ninagthanks, bye16:43
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rakhmerovall: feel free to reach out to us in IRC16:43
rakhmerovopenstack-mistral16:43
rakhmerovthere's someone in there nearly all the time16:44
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NikolayMbye!16:44
rakhmerov#endmeeting16:44
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hparekh_bye!!16:44
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matjazphi all17:01
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ianychoiHello! happy new year :)17:01
matjazpanyone here for the training guides meeting?17:01
matjazphey hey ianychoi17:01
matjazpall the best to you too17:02
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ianychoihi, matjazp :) you too!17:02
matjazp#startmeeting training-guides17:02
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matjazp#startmeeting training-guides17:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 17:02:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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matjazpagenda17:02
matjazp#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda17:02
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ianychoiThanks for the link.17:03
matjazpthe stndard agenda, lets just review usual topics17:03
matjazp#topic upstream training17:03
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matjazp#info we have a complete German translation17:04
matjazp#link http://docs.openstack.org/de/upstream-training/17:04
matjazpnice work17:04
ianychoiWow.. congratulation! looks so nice17:04
matjazpwe have 2 complete translations (Korean and German)17:04
matjazpand Japan is also done a lot17:05
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ianychoiYes. I have just checked that 71.47% has done for Japanese17:05
ianychoi#link https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/training-guides/master17:06
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matjazpI was a bit surprised about German translation, it was done in December, just before holidays17:06
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matjazpok.. leets see the review queue17:06
ianychoiokay17:07
matjazpaha, yes, you have a cleanup patch on board17:07
ianychoiyes I have just uploaded a review17:07
matjazpfor old tox jobs17:07
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ianychoiYes.. minor commit I think17:08
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matjazpI believe there are also other steps17:08
matjazpin openstack infra17:08
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matjazpbut we can do them step by step17:09
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matjazpit is easier to delete things ;)17:09
ianychoiyes :)17:09
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matjazpok, anything else for upstream training?17:10
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ianychoiNo for docs17:10
matjazpdid you do any upstream metups17:10
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ianychoiI will open Korean upstream training on 18th, next month I think17:11
matjazpexcelent!17:11
ianychoiI have been allocated for about 4 hours..17:11
matjazpnice work17:11
ianychoiCould you recommend me to well organize this?17:11
matjazpsure17:11
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matjazpI can put you in touch with some guys that organize these meetings around the globe17:12
ianychoi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2016-January/001364.html17:12
ianychoi#info Korean 1st upstream training will be held on 18 February 2016, with OpenStack days Korea 201617:12
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matjazpMarton is a lead for Hungary, Sean is a lead for silicon valey17:12
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ianychoiThanks a lot! Although it is a just start, I hope that more local developers will be OpenStack upstream developers.17:13
matjazpMarton=Marton Kiss, Sean=Sean Roberts; they are both OpenStack ambassadors, if I remember correctly17:13
ianychoijust start in Korea..17:13
matjazpyou use the same email as you use on launchpad and Gerrit?17:14
ianychoiYes :)17:14
matjazpok17:15
matjazpanything else for upstream training?17:15
ianychoisome thing to be related I think.. how about Austin upstream training on April?17:15
ianychoiIt will be held on Sunday and Monday?17:15
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matjazphmmm I dont know yet17:16
ianychoi#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/17:16
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ianychoiSince now registration is open, I have thought that organizing Austin Upstream Training is now on-going..17:17
matjazp#info matjazp asks around if there are anything new about Austin Upstream training17:17
ianychoi(summit registration, not upstream registration)17:17
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matjazp#action matjazp asks around if there are anything new about Austin Upstream training17:17
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matjazp#action matjazp asks around if there is anything new about Austin Upstream training17:18
ianychoi:)17:18
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matjazp#topic training guides17:19
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matjazphmm.. things are less than ideal17:19
matjazptraining guides slide creation has stalled17:19
ianychoiI have just one minor question: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/training-guides/#1 is training-guides draft.. Am I following right?17:20
matjazpyes17:20
matjazpwe still need the same landing pages as we use for upstream17:21
matjazpmaybe we can break down bugs into smaller pieces?17:21
ianychoiI agree with that, and also a kind of lists such as a blueprint would be also nice I think.17:22
ianychois/lists/action plans/17:22
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matjazpAction plan, sure. hmm.. but do we need a blueprint? we can just use bugs and add to the existing material17:23
ianychoiIf there are small number of smaller pieces, then a blueprint will not be needed I think.17:24
matjazpmaybe we can discuss this on the ML?17:24
ianychoiYes, also nice :)17:24
matjazpmuch broader audience ;)17:24
ianychoi:)17:25
matjazp#action matjazp starts a discussion about training guides on ML17:25
matjazpok, anything else here?17:26
ianychoiHmm.. nothing more I think17:26
matjazpok moving on17:26
ianychoiokay17:26
matjazp#topic any other business17:26
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matjazpnothing?17:28
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matjazpshell we wrap this up then?17:28
ianychoiI have one question.17:28
matjazpsure17:28
ianychoiWhat would be our milestone-targeted items for Mitaka release?17:29
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ianychoiI am not sure, but most projects have milestones, but I could not find such things in training-guide..17:30
matjazpI was hoping that Training guide slides would be done, but I'm afraid that wont happen17:30
matjazpwe put "upstream training" and "training guides/slides" as a priority17:30
matjazpUpstream training is moving along nicely17:31
matjazpTraining slides not so much17:31
ianychoiI see.. thanks. I have seen current draft training-guide slides, and it looks very nice.17:32
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matjazpyes, but the progress is slow17:32
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ianychoiHow many modules will be for training-guides?17:33
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matjazpif you look at the review queue, we have a few abandoned patches that were supposed to move material from XML guide (yesrs back) to the slides17:33
ianychoiCurrently, two modules are in draft: networking compute.17:34
matjazp#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides#Training_slides_-_Modules17:34
matjazpups.. I see that wiki has some old info about a project17:35
matjazp#action matjazp cleans up the wiki pages17:35
ianychoiThank you for the link. Actually I could not find old XML training-guide document..17:35
matjazpit is obsolete17:36
matjazpit was for icehouse, i think17:36
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matjazp#link http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/training-guides/content/17:36
ianychoiOh, thanks a lot.17:37
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matjazpbut there were some patches by Sean Roberts, if you look into Gerrit for abandoned pathches with xml to rst conversion or smth like that17:37
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ianychoiHmm.. I see. I will more look around on previous gerrit reviews..17:38
matjazpthat material can be reused, If anyone finds it still relevant17:38
matjazp#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides+status:abandoned17:39
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matjazpconvert associate guide chapters17:39
matjazpit is still too long for slides17:40
matjazpneeds to be shortened up, too much text for the slides17:40
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ianychoiI think some contents need to be organized with document styles, not slide styles..17:41
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ianychoiShould the format of training-guides is just slides?17:41
matjazpsure, like upstream landing page17:41
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matjazpwe dont want to make another book, we don't have manpower to update/maintain it17:42
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ianychoiI see.. then, the target style would be a landing page with several slides for each XML section.17:42
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matjazpyes, i believe so17:43
ianychoiAnd I think most sentences would be good for slide notes..17:43
matjazpyes, that was the idea I used in networking section17:43
matjazpbut I dodn't have time to do all the chapters17:43
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ianychoiI also do not have a lot of time to do, but starting and slow progress is better than no progress...17:45
matjazpslides+slide notes should be used/reused in Meetiups, so there should be enough material for different ppl17:45
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matjazpI agree17:45
matjazpwe just ned to keep the ball moving17:45
ianychoiI will more see it :)17:45
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matjazpthanks!17:45
matjazpok, should we wrap it?17:45
ianychoiIt's my pleasure :) Yep17:45
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ianychoiThank you so much, matjazp !17:46
matjazpok, take care, thanks again for your time17:46
matjazpbye17:46
ianychoiBye!17:46
matjazp#endmeeting17:46
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adam_g#startmeeting astara18:01
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openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 11 18:01:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
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adam_go/18:01
adam_gmarkmcclain ryanpetrello rods18:02
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adam_ghey guys18:02
adam_g#topic mitaka development18:02
leonstackhello everyone, I'm a new guy for astara :)18:02
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adam_gleonstack, welcome :)18:03
leonstackthx~18:03
rodsleonstack welcome :)18:03
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markmcclainwelcome18:03
adam_gso for mitaka, ive been sniffing around the internals of the instance manager and our nova code, looking at ways to implement https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/appliance-ha18:04
adam_ghaven't made too much progress there but hope to continue that this week and get some POC or spec up18:04
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markmcclaincool18:04
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adam_gmarkmcclain, where are you at with the BYONF stuff? i'd like to get either some POC code up on gerrit or some thoughts captured in an etherpad or spec somewhere describing it a bit. i actually got pinged by someone from networking-sfc about it over the weekend, would be great to point them somewhere18:05
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adam_galso, i went through and prioritized blueprints based on where we are in the dev cycle and how much time we've got left. i think appliance-ha, neutron-vpnaas and astara-sfc are the main feature areas we should be committing to for M.18:06
adam_gwould have liked for that list to be longer but a good deal of our cycles till now has been spent on renaming and stabilizing bugs18:07
markmcclainok.. I can capture the work in a spec18:07
ericlopezthese would be three nice features to have18:07
markmcclainyeah I think that list makes sense18:07
adam_gleonstack, FYI https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/mitaka is our blueprints for M, please see if theres seomthing that interests you and dont hesitate to ping us for help getting started18:08
adam_g#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/mitaka18:08
leonstackOh, I know that site, and I have created one bp~18:08
adam_g#action markmcclain to capture BYONF work in a spec (astara-sfc)18:08
adam_gleonstack, oh? which one?18:08
leonstacklet me see..18:09
leonstackit's about service instance template18:09
leonstackhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/template-module18:09
leonstackI'm not sure is that make any sense ?18:10
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markmcclainleonstack: this might be an opportunity to leverage a bit of the flavor framework18:10
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adam_gleonstack, makes sense, ya18:11
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adam_gmarkmcclain, this actually sounds similar to the BYONF workflow you've come up with18:11
markmcclainadam_g: yeah that too18:11
markmcclainthere are few differences18:11
markmcclainespecially around mgt network18:12
leonstackoh really, I did'nt know it ,sorry ~18:12
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markmcclainleonstack: I need to better doc the thoughts on bring your own network function18:12
adam_glong term, i think it makes good sense to centralize the configuration of the images/flavor/mgt_net for a resource to eliminate config drift among clustered orchestrators18:12
markmcclainright18:13
adam_gie, stop using config files entirely for that..18:13
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adam_gso yeah, leonstack i think we should discuss this further after meeting and see what we can agree on18:13
leonstackOK, I have did a similar thing last year, I will write another doc for it :)18:13
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leonstackOK, I agree, thx :)18:14
adam_gleonstack, thanks for raising the BP18:14
leonstackmy pleasure~18:15
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adam_g#topic bugs18:15
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adam_gso we triaged a couple of bigger bugs last week18:16
adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/153127418:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531274 in Astara "unable to delete tenant networks" [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rosario Di Somma (mr-rods)18:16
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adam_grods, you're assigned to this one, any updates?18:16
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adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/153196718:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531967 in Astara "ingress DHCP traffic to instances blocked without tenant secgroup rule" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Mark McClain (markmcclain)18:17
rodsadam_g not yet, what I'm seeing in dev env is that vrrp ports are never removed18:17
adam_gmarkmcclain, i know you had a fix in mind for this on the astara-neutron side--any updates there?18:18
markmcclainI'm picking that one back up after fixing teh extension problem18:18
rodsmarkmcclain I'm going to ping you later to ask you a couple of questions18:19
ericlopezdo we need to get a neutron plugin CI so we aren't bitten by another neutron change18:19
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markmcclainmight make sense to setup a periodic job that runs daily18:19
adam_ghm18:20
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adam_gi think we produce enough patch traffic on our own, and are responsive enough to fixing small breaks like this18:21
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adam_gim not sure it'd be worth the effort of maintaining/babysitting our CI jobs in another projects pipeline18:21
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adam_gthats just my $.02 tho18:22
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adam_grods, so it sounds like you'll be working on a fix for 1531274 or should i unassign you for now?18:23
markmcclainadam_g: yeah.. was thinking we could just run the periodic jobs on our side18:23
adam_gmarkmcclain, we could, but i dont think it'd buy us much--its not like we are letting things bitrot.. we push patches daily and have a good record of detecting the breakages as soon as they happen18:24
adam_gperiodics would be good for our stable branches tho18:25
markmcclainyeah I think for stable makes lots of sense18:25
markmcclainand if we18:25
markmcclain're generating enough activity on master that we're catching most things18:25
adam_gya, thats what i mean.. at least now--we're in the sweet spot of being active enough, with a small enough code base and a small, responsive team18:26
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ericlopezok. makes sense18:26
adam_gok moving on...18:27
adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/152739618:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1527396 in Astara "state machines get lost after failovers" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Adam Gandelman (gandelman-a)18:27
adam_gthat ones a gnarly one but the fix is pretty simple, theres a patch up for it18:28
adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/153159718:28
adam_gditto on that18:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531597 in Astara "after a tenant has deleted a resource, subsequent calls on new resources are droppe" [High,In progress]18:28
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adam_g#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/152406818:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1524068 in Astara "get_local_service_ip conflicts across multiple astara nodes" [Critical,In progress]18:29
adam_gthis still has some patches that need to be merged, they've been sitting a while but should be in good shape18:29
adam_gany other bugs anyone wants to bring up?18:30
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adam_gwe've got a flood of smaller, low hanging bugs and patches over the last couple weeks (thanks for those, if the authors are reading)18:30
markmcclainI'm also working on the external connectivity problem with devstack18:30
* markmcclain needs to file bug for it18:30
adam_gk18:31
markmcclainyeah super cool to see the new contributors18:31
rodsadam_g yep, I'm working on it18:31
adam_grods, cool, thanks18:31
ericlopezsame here18:32
ericlopezss18:32
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adam_g#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/153165118:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531651 in Astara "router interface plugging fails in the appliance" [Undecided,In progress]18:33
adam_goh, theres another bad one with a fix ready to merge18:33
adam_g*ready to review  :)18:33
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ericlopezafter looking at the neutron extension issue last night… the extension is called dhrouterstatus… should this be renamed?18:34
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markmcclainyeah.. I'll work up a fix for it18:35
adam_gericlopez, it could but we'd have to do that over a long period of time, to ensure we dont break the API for older verisons of the orchestrator, which would still be requesting /dhrouterstatus18:35
ericlopezand the namespace URL doesn't exist18:35
markmcclainI was planning to make both supported for the interim18:35
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adam_gah cool18:35
adam_glets move this to...18:35
adam_g#topic open discussion18:35
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adam_g#action markmcclain to begin migration away from /dhrouterstatus API extension18:36
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adam_gmarkmcclain, question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246005/1218:36
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markmcclainadam_g: sure.. what's up?18:36
adam_gmarkmcclain, is it possible to publsih non-public facing endpoints in keystone? i dotn remember18:37
adam_gin other words, a service with only a service/admin endpoint?18:37
markmcclainyou can have different internal, public urls18:37
ericlopezyes.18:37
markmcclainbut not sure if can restrict the visibility based on tenant18:38
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adam_gok18:38
leonstackI have one question....the application-ha is based on vrrp(active/backup)? or ecmp(A/A)18:38
adam_gill poke at it18:38
markmcclainok18:39
adam_gleonstack, the plan is for VRRP pairs. we already create the ports on the neutron side, we just need to adjust the orchestrator to spawn and manage pairs of nova instances for those ports18:39
leonstackoh, thanks~18:40
adam_ganyone have anything else?18:41
leonstackI have did NFV work with neutron for one year...and...18:41
leonstackour vpn is ipsec vpn?18:41
adam_gleonstack, yeah, the initial plan is to make the first astara VPN support based on ipsec (strongswan in the appliance)18:42
adam_gmarkmcclain, correct me if i'm wrong there18:42
leonstackcan we use some other company's image with different API...?18:43
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adam_g leonstack different API on the backend/appliance side?18:43
markmcclainadam_g: correct18:43
leonstackoh,both perhaps..18:43
leonstackI was confused by that actually ..18:44
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adam_gleonstack, we've tried to architect the orchestrator to support that via its appliance driver model. for now we support only the astara appliance, but it'd be easy enough to push VPN/router/LB config into a non-astara appliance provided it exposes some API to dot hat18:44
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adam_galso markmcclain BYNOF work makes it a bit easier to add support for arbitrary appliances18:45
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leonstackthanks for your patient explanation :) I got it18:45
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adam_gcool!18:45
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adam_ganythin else ?18:46
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markmcclainnothing from me18:46
ericlopeznothing from me…18:47
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ericlopezI'm reviewing autogen orchestrator.ini patch18:47
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adam_gcool18:48
adam_gok talk to you all  in #openstack-astara18:48
adam_g#endmeeting18:48
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anteayaadam_g: hey there19:49
adam_ganteaya, hi19:49
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* carl_baldwin is very confused21:04
njohnstonme too21:05
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anteayame too21:05
anteayaI'll just keep flipping to this channel for a bit in hopes there is a meeting21:05
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* carl_baldwin pictures anteaya channel flipping, lol21:09
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anteayaha ha ha21:11
anteayathat's about it21:11
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anteayasports sports sports news news21:12
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carl_baldwinI'm glad those days are over for me.  I can't stand to channel surf.21:17
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anteayadid you get rid of your television?21:23
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* anteaya is here anyway we may as well "meet"21:23
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SukhdevI thought I missed most of the meeting - as I was dialing late21:26
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anteayanope we are all just early for tomorrow's meeting, or next week's, I don't know21:27
Sukhdevanteaya : I did not know you were into sports -21:27
anteayaSukhdev: I can sports21:27
anteayaI watch a mean game of curling21:27
carl_baldwinanteaya: Still have a television but I don't watch the networks.  I watch what I want on demand (and not that much).21:27
anteayacarl_baldwin: ah cool21:27
anteayaI actually don't have television service anymore, no point21:28
anteayabut I remember how to channel flip21:28
anteayaand have watched some pros21:28
carl_baldwinanteaya: What is a mean game of curling?  "Mean" must mean something different where you're from.  ;)21:28
anteayamy brother in law can watch about 5 channels at once21:28
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anteayacarl_baldwin: ha ha ha21:28
Sukhdevwow!! looks like I am the odd man out here - I just upgraded my TV to 85 inch 4K smart TV21:28
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anteayayou have to sweep hard21:28
anteayaSukhdev: nice, I'd watch movies on that myself21:29
anteayacarl_baldwin: was a play on words as I was saying I would be watching rather than playing21:29
Sukhdevanteaya: I just watched mission impossible over the weekend on that TV, it was awesome - do not need to go to theaters anymore :-):-)21:30
carl_baldwinanteaya: I got that play on words but I found the "mean" part funnier.21:30
anteayaSukhdev: nice!21:30
anteayacarl_baldwin: yeah mean curling21:30
anteayarather an oxymoron21:30
Sukhdevhave no clue about curling? talk about Football - super bowl is coming next to me here in few weeks :-):-)21:31
anteayaSukhdev: nice21:31
anteayaSukhdev: are you going?21:31
SukhdevI can actually see Levi Stadium from my office building -21:31
anteayacurling is very non-mean21:31
anteayafriendly like you might say21:31
anteayaSukhdev: wow21:32
SukhdevI am SBL owner of 4 seat at Levi - but, for some reason, that does not include super bowl tickets -21:32
Sukhdevthey do a lottery for SBL owners - there is 1 in 4 chance I might get some tickets -21:32
SukhdevIf I get them I might go21:33
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ZZelle_Hi21:34
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ZZelle_I am lost the meeting should not start at 21PM UTC?21:34
ZZelle_9PM UTC :)21:35
anteayaSukhdev: I hope you get the tickets21:35
anteayaZZelle_: we are lost too21:35
anteayaso since we are all hear we just decided to have a visit21:35
SukhdevZZelle_ you are not alone - we are a day ahead of the meeting time :-)21:35
anteayaor a week?21:35
anteayawho knows?21:35
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Sukhdevanteaya : Thanks -21:36
Sukhdevanteaya: It will be a week long gala - I am so looking forward to it - it will be first time for me.....21:37
anteayaoh yeah if you have the chance you definitely should go21:37
anteayawhat an experience21:37
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anteayawell this has been fun21:51
anteayasee you all again another time21:51
anteayawho knows when21:51
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armaxping21:59
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armaxit looks like I am on my own here22:00
SwamiIt did see a while back couple of people in this channel.22:01
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HenryGarmax: you got the day wrong first, and now the time :D22:01
armaxHenryG: bah22:01
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armaxwhat a mess22:02
ZZelle_Hello & happy new year everyone!22:02
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HenryGHappy New Year!22:02
armaxoh well this was a great start of the new year!22:03
armax:)22:03
amotokihappy new year!22:03
Swamiarmax: are we going to have another meeting tomorrow or just next week.22:03
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armaxat this point I am going to bail22:03
armaxtomorrow too22:04
armaxhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/266019/ is out22:04
Swamiarmax:ok22:04
armaxand running tomorrow’s meeting is sorta confusing22:04
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Gerrit is restarting to resolve java memory issues22:05
Swamiarmax: make sense22:05
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amotokiarmax: we no longer have bi-weekly meetings?22:06
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armaxamotoki: I am proposing to drop the bi-weekly schedule after today’s fiasco22:08
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amotokiarmax: okay. I try to get up earlier. I hope I do not fall in asleep during the driver meeting.22:09
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armaxsorry22:10
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armaxI was all pumped to go back22:10
armaxto the usual meeting routine22:10
armaxbut the machine got in the wa22:11
armaxy22:11
amotokiI understand it is confortable from most folks22:11
armaxI guess with a simpler schedule there’s less chance to screw up22:11
amotokiarmax: yeah22:11
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