Thursday, 2015-11-19

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thinrichsHi all00:00
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:00
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thinrichsAre we all here or should we wait a couple of minutes?  Who is here?00:00
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raminenihi00:00
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pballandhi00:01
thinrichsHi all.  We have 6 or so here, so let's get started00:01
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fabiogo/00:02
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thinrichsMy agenda: devstack, distributed arch, python3, and a couple others00:03
RuiChenhi00:03
thinrichsI see fabiog and joonmyung are new here, I believe.00:03
joonmyungyes. hi.00:03
thinrichsWe typically have newcomers introduce themselves at the end of the meeting00:03
fabiogthinrichs: yes00:03
thinrichsBut of course feel free to jump in throughout.00:03
joonmyungthinrichs: no problem.00:03
thinrichsAnything else for the agenda?00:03
fabiogI have a mid-cycle meeting question00:04
fabiogis there any plan?00:04
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fabiogwe can talk at the end00:04
thinrichsThat's an open-ended one, so I'll add that to the agenda in the middle00:05
thinrichs#topic devstack00:05
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thinrichsRemember that the way we currently use devstack in the gate will no longer work at Mitaka100:05
thinrichsSo we're moving to the devstack plugin00:05
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thinrichsThere's been a bunch of back and forth on the patch that ramineni put together00:05
thinrichsramineni: want to update everyone?00:06
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241969/00:06
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raminenithinrichs: yes, its ready from our end , but havent been approved yet by infra :(00:06
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thinrichsI've pinged infra twice, but they may have thought we were still discussing00:07
thinrichsNow that all the reviews are +1 I'll ping them again00:07
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raminenithinrichs: ok, ill also ping them for review00:07
raminenithinrichs: im also checking on disabled tempest tests00:07
thinrichsOnce we get that patch in, there's another gate job (from murano) that we may need to touch00:08
thinrichsOr maybe the murano team will take care of it00:08
thinrichsramineni: thanks for taking care of this patch00:08
thinrichsramineni: any progress to report on the tempest tests?00:08
raminenithinrichs: yes, some tests are failing because of some recent changes in tempest , so could get them worked00:09
raminenithinrichs: i have still bunch of them to resolve00:09
ramineni:) , will be working on it00:09
thinrichsramineni: sounds good00:09
thinrichs#topic distributed architecture00:10
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thinrichspballand: how's that DseNode patch coming?  I saw you pushed to review today00:10
pballandI’ve thrown together a very lightweight skeleton that shows the problem I’ve been stuck on00:11
pballandhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/247232/00:11
pballandRPC works fine on AMQP, but doesn’t on Fake00:11
pballandif anyone has cycles to take a look, help would be much appreciated00:11
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pballandproblem can be reproduced by running ‘python test_dsenode.py —ampq’ (works) and ‘python test_dsenode.py --fake’ (fails)00:12
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pballandI have a bunch of other code prototyped and ready to merge in, but it all relies on RPC actually working :-/00:13
pballandthat’s my update00:13
thinrichsWhich test fails?  What's the message?00:13
thinrichsOr maybe we can do that offline.00:14
pballandtest_dsenode.py line 12800:14
thinrichsSorry—got too caught up wanting to hunt down the bug00:14
pballandRPC calls don’t return when using the fake driver00:14
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pballandsure - in dsenode.py, an rpc server is started on line ~64, and calls are invoked on line ~108 - there isn’t much to the code00:15
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thinrichsAlso on the distributed arch front it looks like we just have 1 outstanding API model to get merged00:17
thinrichsThat's gone through a few rounds of review, so should happen soon.00:17
thinrichsI think that once we get dsenode in, there'll be a bunch of work to do hooking everything up.00:18
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raminenithinrichs: still datasources one also left00:19
ramineni?00:19
thinrichsI'll try to spend some time this week thinking through what needs to be done.00:19
thinrichsramineni: ok I'll take a closer look at that00:19
ramineniok00:20
thinrichs#topic python300:20
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thinrichsekcs: how is python3 conversion going?00:20
ekcsMaking progress on getting all the datalog bits Python3 compliant. Most of the issues have to do with Python3 being more resrictive on what types are used.00:20
ekcsIt's going rather slow because a lot of time is spent digging through the code to understand the intended behavior in Python2. On the plus side, it's helping me understand the innards of the datalog code, and occasionally exposing a bug.00:20
thinrichsAny estimates on how much longer?  Number of errors, perhaps?00:21
ekcsabout 30 errors involving datalog. but some tests are skipped due to other errors so who knows.00:22
thinrichsekcs: thanks for the update00:23
ekcsI’m hoping to have the datalog bits done sometime next week.00:23
thinrichsekcs: need any help from us?00:23
ekcsbut it’s hard to say. some things take 10 minutes. some things take 2 days.00:23
ekcsmaybe 1 day.00:24
ekcsthinrichs: mostly just responding to questions about exsting code, as you guys have been doing.00:24
thinrichsekcs: Let us know if you need something00:24
thinrichssounds good00:24
thinrichs#topic mid-cycle meetup00:25
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thinrichsfabiog: did you have something to propose for this?00:26
fabiogthinrichs: yes, Cisco is happy to host it00:26
fabiogthinrichs: I was thinking to do it in San Jose, CA unless there is a wish to do it elsewhere00:26
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fabiogthinrichs: I am also trying to coordinate with Monasca mid-cycle so we could have 1 day of joint session00:27
fabiogthinrichs: how does it sound?00:27
thinrichsfabiog: thanks for the offer to host!00:27
fabiogthinrichs: my pleasure00:27
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thinrichsI know a number of people are local to San Jose, so that's convenient00:28
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thinrichsBut a number of people aren't local to San Jose, so it's not so convenient for them00:28
thinrichsMaybe we should discuss what topics we're interested in, so we get a feel for who would be most interested in attending00:28
thinrichsAnd then discuss the location00:29
fabiogthinrichs: also what are historically the datas you have held such a meetings in the winter cycles?00:29
thinrichsfabiog: not sure about dates00:30
fabiogthinrichs: have you guys had a mid-cycle before?00:30
thinrichsfabiog: a couple00:30
thinrichsLast cycle we discussed the new architecture00:30
thinrichsOne cycle we had a general policy meet-up00:31
thinrichsSo maybe just those.00:31
thinrichspballand: were there any others?00:31
pballandthat’s all I recall00:31
thinrichsI'd propose one topic for this cycle's meet-up is a follow-on to the distributed arch00:32
thinrichsEither it could be a code sprint to finish things up, or we could discuss the next step: using the distributed arch to do HA and high query throughput00:32
thinrichsAre there other proposals?00:32
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fabiogI would like to share a design/architecture using Monasca Alarming and WebHooks to get alerts on policy infringments00:33
fabiogor potential infringments00:33
thinrichsfabiog: that sounds cool00:34
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thinrichsA generalization of fabiog's might be…00:35
thinrichsdeeper integration with other OpenStack projects.00:35
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thinrichsIn addition to Monasca integration, we could discuss su_zhang's recent experiments with gating Nova on Congress and whether generalizing that to other services makes sense.00:35
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thinrichsAny opinions?00:36
joonmyungthinrichs: If there is any space, I'd like to share policy graph abstraction using congress with some current limitations and possible improvements.00:36
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ekcsthinrichs: if time allows, the more general topic makes sense. but if we don’t have enough time then it may dilute it to the point of not actually making any progress.00:38
thinrichsjoonmyung: is policy graph abstraction a new UI you're proposing for Congress?00:38
thinrichsekcs: agreed00:39
joonmyungthinrichs: Patially, it will be a new UI but it is more than UI.00:39
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joonmyungthinrichs: I am working with JK for this topic. we are using congress for communicating with infra now.00:40
joonmyungthinrichs: I am looking for some contribution points for your congress now. thanks.00:40
thinrichsjoonmyung: maybe it'd be good to have you do a demo/presentation earlier than the meet-up00:41
thinrichsjoonmyung: the mid-cycle meetup isn't a conference where people give talks; it's typically more of a chance for us to all get in a room and hammer out some design00:42
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joonmyungthinrichs: I see.00:42
thinrichsLet's all think about topics for the mid-cycle meet-up and discuss again next week.00:43
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thinrichsfabiog: Thanks again for offering to host.  I think it'd be great to have Cisco host this time, assuming San Jose works.00:44
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fabiogthinrichs: yes, no problem00:45
fabiogthinrichs: regarding dates maybe mid to late Jan, would that work?00:45
thinrichsfabiog: sounds like the right timeframe to me.  What about everyone else?00:46
fabiogI can create a doodle and open it for votes next week00:46
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fabiogthinrichs: last variable, how many days? 2 or 3 or 4?00:47
thinrichsfabiog: a doodle poll would be great!00:47
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thinrichsfabiog: not sure how many days; would depend on the topic(s).  Maybe poll for 400:48
thinrichsThat does it for my agenda.  Let's switch over to open discussion.00:48
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:49
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thinrichsfabiog and joonmyung: want to introduce yourselves and tell us why you're interested in Congress?00:49
_RuiChenI have a question about API00:49
_RuiChenpolicy/rule status API in status_model.py and execute_action in datasource_model.py exsit in code,00:49
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_RuiChenbut these don't present in API doc, do we actually support these API?00:49
fabiogthinrichs: please go ahead and respond to _RuiChen00:50
_RuiChenfabiog: sorry00:50
fabiogI can introduce myself afterwards ;-)00:50
joonmyungthinrichs: I agree.00:50
thinrichs_RuiChen: today there's not much use for /policy/rule/status00:50
thinrichs_RuiChen: I think we want execution action in datasource though, as a way of testing out actions.00:51
_RuiChenthinrichs: yes, all the response present in policy/rule show,00:51
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thinrichs_RuiChen: so I'd remove the policy/rule/status code and update the API doc for execution action on the datasource00:51
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_RuiChenthinrichs: got it, I can help to do it00:52
thinrichs_RuiChen: that'd be great!00:52
thinrichsfabiog: how about that intro?00:52
_RuiChenfabiog: joonmyung: please go on :-)00:52
fabiogsure, I am Fabio Giannetti and I work for Cisco00:52
fabiogI am Monasca Core and I am interested in integrating Congress with Monasca to enable monitoring feedback for real-time push-model policy evaluations00:53
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fabiogdone :-)00:53
thinrichs:)00:53
thinrichsfabiog: nice to have you join the meeting!00:53
joonmyungOk. I am Joon-Myung Kang and currently working for Hewlett Packard Labs. I've been mostly working in Neutron for policy management, service chaining, and performance guarantee.00:54
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joonmyungWhy I am interesting in Congress is that I would like to apply network policy management to more general policy management such as Congress.00:54
_RuiChen"feedback for real-time push-model policy evaluations", it's great, welcome00:55
thinrichsjoonmyung: glad you could be here!00:55
fabiogthinrichs: doodle link for mid-cycle: http://doodle.com/poll/iinvncz7298rq9wb00:55
thinrichsfabiog: super fast!  Thanks!00:55
joonmyungthinrichs: thank you. actually, I was in the Vancouver design summit with JK for presenting PGA work. I am mostly implementing it on OpenStack.00:56
thinrichsAnyone else have questions or anything to discuss in the last 4 minutes?00:56
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fabiogthinrichs: I still didn't manage to get the datasource driver to store data in the database00:57
ekcsI have something weird maybe i’ll bring up in case someone happens to know something00:57
fabiogif I create the exact same structure by hand it works, but when I get the data from Monasca it does not store it00:57
thinrichsYou pulled out everything and started from scratch?00:57
fabiogthinrichs: yes00:57
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masahitoI pushed the spec for Push type datasource driver. please review it.00:57
thinrichsekcs: go ahead and interleave your question here, or we won't get to it00:57
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masahitohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/246742/00:57
fabiogthinrichs: I will give it another shot, but I will ping you again if I fails since I am getting out of ideas00:58
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thinrichsfabiog: that's bizarre00:58
thinrichsmasahito: Thanks!  I'll take a look.00:58
fabiogthinrichs: I konw, you remembered when we did Webex that was really strange00:58
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thinrichsfabiog: what if you print the data that monasca is returning to the screen, copy and paste it into the code.  Does that work?00:59
ekcsIn a test I added, it passes if I run tox -epy34 first and then tox -epy27.00:59
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fabiogthinrichs: yes, that seems to work00:59
ekcsbut it often fails if I go straight to epy27.00:59
fabiogI didn't copy and paste but I reproduced the structure and worked00:59
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fabiogI will try to copy and paste00:59
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thinrichsekcs: that's crazy.01:00
ekcsline 737 of this test. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246042/3/congress/tests/datalog/test_compiler.py01:00
thinrichsekcs: those should have separate virtualenvs and shouldn't collide01:00
thinrichsfabiog: sounds good.01:00
thinrichsWe're out of time, so we can continue in #congress if anyone wants to01:00
thinrichs#endmeeting01:00
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DaisyWe will start I18n meeting now13:00
ujuco/13:00
Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 19 13:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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DaisyHi, katomo, ianychoi and ujuc13:00
DaisyNice to see you.13:00
ianychoiHello, katomo and Daisy :)13:00
ujucHi13:00
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eumel8Frank here, hello!13:01
ianychoiHello :)13:01
katomoHi Daisy, ianychoi, ujuc13:01
DaisyHi, eumel8.13:01
DaisyLet's start.13:01
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katomohi eumel813:01
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Daisy#topic Status update and issues collection of the work items13:01
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DaisyI'm going to review the progress of the work items we planned in Tokyo summit, and collected issues if there are.13:02
Daisy1. Statistic in stackalytics13:03
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DaisyIlya owns this. The lastest status from him is: I'm working on data acquisition (with workaround for translators list) as we discussed in Tokyo and waiting for https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-742 (and watching what's happening =) ) .13:03
DaisyI think it's an easy function, I will check the progress with Zanata team after meeting.13:04
Daisy2. Enable translation check website (Daisy)13:05
eumel8+113:05
ianychoiGot it for 1.13:05
DaisyI have studied the two repos from Akihiro. I initiated the discussion with infrasture team.13:05
DaisyHope next time I could make some progress.13:06
Daisy3. Have training guide in translation website (KATO)13:06
DaisyIt is done, right, katomo ?13:06
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katomogoing13:06
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Daisyhow is the progress ?13:07
katomo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245615/13:07
katomoalmost there :)13:07
katomo1 +213:07
DaisyOK. Thank you.13:07
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ianychoi:)13:07
Daisy4. Translate Installation guide (All)13:07
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DaisyInstallation guide is branched. The stable liberty version is created.13:07
DaisyLet me check the progress. :)13:08
ujuc113:08
Daisykatomo: Must we translate "common" file ?13:08
katomoyes13:08
Daisyall of the common ?13:09
katomosome contents are in common-rst.13:09
katomoyes, all.13:09
katomoI reduce common-rst to the minimum for install guides.13:09
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DaisyOK. Got it.13:09
ianychoiOh.... install-guide + common-rst.. I thought only install-guide is targeted for next January.13:09
DaisyThen I will write it down to the home page.13:10
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ianychoiOkay.13:10
DaisyYes. only installation guide.13:10
DaisyI see Japanese team have finished, and Korean and Chinese team have solid progress.13:10
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ianychoiGot it. I now understand that 'install-guide for next January' and 'common-rst' is not for next January but important.13:11
katomoto clarify, translate common-rst at stable/liberty branch for Liberty install guides.13:11
katomogood progress. nice work.13:11
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Daisyianychoi: I think, common-rst is for next January too.13:11
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ianychoiOkay..... I see!13:12
Daisybecause part of installation guide contents are in common-rst13:12
katomoyeah, no need so harry :)13:12
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ianychoiYes, but I thought only install-guide and no common-rst is targeted for next January.13:12
ianychoiNow I got it.13:13
DaisyNext January is a target we set. No target, no pressure. :)13:13
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katomo:)13:13
ianychoiYep! Thanks, Daisy  :)13:13
Daisyianychoi: I will update the home page the clarify this.13:13
ianychoiThank you for that clarification :)13:13
Daisy5. Translate openstack dashboard13:14
Daisyit's not started. We will wait for the feature freeze. :)13:14
Daisy6. Set up i18n repo, add terminology files, enable the sync if possible. (Daisy)13:14
DaisyThank katomo to get the repo structure ready.13:15
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katomoyou are welcome13:15
DaisyThanks to Akihiro and katomo to work on the documents.13:15
katomoalmost Akihiro :)13:15
DaisyThe term and translations are merged.13:15
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Daisybut I met with an issue while I'm trying to set up the infrastructure.13:16
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Daisyi18n repo is different from other projects, because i18n.pot is not extracted. It's manually created.13:17
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katomohm13:17
DaisyThe current logic of the uploading and downloading scripts will use a script to extract strings and generate new pot files. Then use "git status" to check if pot files are updated.13:17
DaisyIf no pot files get updated, don't upload to Zanata. If pot files are updated, upload to Zanata.13:18
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DaisyIn our case, it's different. Let's imaging I add a new term to i18n.pot, and commit to i18n repo. The uploading script will be invoked.13:19
DaisyHow can the upload script tell whether a new pot file generates ?13:19
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DaisySo I'm thinking about two opinions. One is to follow other projects logic to generate i18n.pot, the other is to change the uploading script to handle the special case of i18n repo.13:20
DaisyI haven't decided yet.13:20
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Daisyany comments ?13:21
katomothe latter sound reasonable.13:21
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katomothe latter can use a free name :)13:21
Daisykatomo: it might be the easier one.13:21
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DaisyYes, I don't like i18n.pot. I like term.pot.13:22
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DaisyMaybe I work on the laster option firstly.13:22
katomoJust my idea... we can forcefully upload everytime13:22
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DaisyYes, we can.13:23
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ianychoiIt means that rather other other projects, we need to only manually upload pot files without downloading from zanata.13:23
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ianychoiAm I understanding right?13:23
Daisyyes, ianychoi .13:23
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DaisyLet's move to next item.13:24
Daisy7. Run scripts to manage release process (Daisy, Alex )13:24
ianychoiYes, then I prefer the 2nd options. Okay13:24
DaisyNot started.13:24
Daisy8. Set readonly to all projects in Transifex and handle 84 join request. May delete it in next summit.13:24
DaisyI handled part of the requests , just before the meeting.13:24
katomothanks13:25
DaisyI have rejected almost a half of the requests. Send messages to notify them we have moved to a new website.13:25
DaisyI will complete before next meeting.13:25
Daisyok. we have gone through all the items. Anything I missed ?13:26
Daisyif no, let's go to next topic.13:26
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katomono13:26
ianychoino13:26
Daisyok. Thank you, katomo13:26
Daisy#topic Discussion: how to manage I18n related bug reports ?13:26
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katomohm, amotoki is not here...13:27
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DaisyI see there are discussions in Gerrit.13:27
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ianychoi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246256/13:28
Daisyamotoki has summarized three kinds of bugs:13:28
Daisy* bugs during translations13:28
Daisy* bugs in original strings13:28
Daisy* bugs in tool chains13:28
DaisyI think they are reasonable. Any other bug types you can think out ?13:29
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eumel8sounds good13:29
katomoi think good13:30
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ianychoiReasonable, but 'bugs during translations' means that bugs during translation period?13:30
ujuc+113:30
Daisyianychoi: I think it means bad translations.13:30
Daisyor missed translations.13:30
ianychoiAha.. got it!13:30
ujucTypo translation?13:30
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Daisyujuc: maybe. It could be a bad translation too. Translation is not correct, but no typo.13:31
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ujucYes ok13:31
DaisyEither users cannot understand, or users don't agree with the translation13:31
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ianychoiokay13:32
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DaisyI have an idea. We could figure out who will report those types of bugs, and we separate the types from role perspectives.13:32
DaisyAn end user might not be able to tell whether a bug is a tranlsation bug or a original string bug.13:33
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katomoi think so13:33
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DaisyMy thought is to ask end users to report translation bugs to i18n project in Lanchpad. And we, the i18n team, could figure out the root cause, either we direct the bug to development team, or we fix in Zanata.13:34
eumel8This was also my question, who is reporting bugs, and this is very useful, I think.13:34
Daisys/direct/redirect13:34
ianychoiGood idea.13:35
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Daisyso let's say: end users may report "bugs during translations", let's call it "translation bugs"13:35
katomo+113:35
ianychoi+113:35
eumel8+113:35
Daisyif an end user figure a "translation bugs", he/she goes to Lanchpad.13:35
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DaisyIf a translator ( who has joined the team and have the right to update Zanata) finds a bad translation, he/she could go to Zanata directly13:36
DaisyWe should think over the translator behaviour when he/she finds a translation bug.13:37
DaisyAs a coordinator, katomo, ianychoi, ujuc, eumel8, do you like a translator of your team goes to Zanata and directly change the translation ?13:37
katomosure13:38
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Daisy:)13:38
ianychoiabsolutely13:38
ujucYes13:38
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eumel8yes, but is Launchpad usable for non-english speaking end-users?13:38
katomowe can check them from review status :)13:38
Daisykatomo: good point.13:39
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Daisyeumel8: Launchpad should support that. Non-english speaking end-users could report bugs in their language. The question is do we accept non-English described translation bugs ?13:40
katomoeumel8: i think we can accept non-english report13:40
ianychoi#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/147445213:40
openstackLaunchpad bug 1474452 in openstack-manuals "Document sidebartoc typo: "한국의" > "한국어"" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Ian Y. Choi (ianychoi)13:40
Daisykatomo: I remember I saw a bug repot in Chinese to a translated document before.13:40
katomoA day ago, we got a chinese bug report.13:40
DaisyThank you for the example, katomo and ianychoi.13:41
katomoDaisy: yes13:41
ianychoiThis is an example of reporting Korean translation error bug report. (Although it could not be solved in Zanata)13:41
DaisyIf we could add button in Horizon, to report translation bugs, it will be wonderful.13:41
eumel8okay, this is good, if the end-user can interact with the tool in his language and, of course, can report his bug in native lang13:42
DaisyI don't know if Horizon has bug report buttons.13:42
eumel8this was also my question in gerrit13:42
katomoIn case we can not understand what language is written, it's difficult :)13:42
Daisykatomo: what is difficult ?13:43
katomoDaisy: we can not understand who should treat that bug.13:43
eumel8@katomo: I think the right language team can grab the bug ;)13:43
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ianychoiTranslated launchpad would be much better but hmm.. it is another problem .. :)13:44
katomoeumel8: i hope so13:44
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DaisyI hope users could type their languages in English.13:44
Daisytype their language name in English. Then we will figure out who could treat the bug.13:44
ianychoi+1 for 'typing language name in English'13:45
katomoyeah13:45
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eumel8try to typing13:45
ujuc:)13:45
Daisyand then, who will find bugs in original strings and bugs in tool chain ?13:46
DaisyI imagine, a translation tester may find a original string is untranslatable.13:46
katomotranslators13:46
eumel8developer13:46
ujucTranslators...13:47
ianychoilanguage researcher?13:47
Daisyianychoi: what is language researcher ?13:47
ianychoiI just have thought an unordinary case.. for a linguist.13:48
Daisywhile after the translation check website is ready, we will get a new role: translation tester13:48
ianychoiOr a guy who want to extract po file text ..13:48
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katomoJapanese team sometimes find : the original strings is difficult to translate, can not control word order(untranslatable), or strange:)13:48
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Daisyianychoi: yeah, they will find bugs of the tool chain.13:48
Daisylet's say: while a translator is translating or testing, he/she may find bugs of original strings.13:49
eumel8In german we have a lots of proper names from english - so it's also not translatable. Sometimes I have also to think about the sense.13:50
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Daisylet's say: while a tool user is using our tools, he/she may find bugs of the tool chains.13:51
DaisyHope amotoki could figure out the contents he needs from our chat history.13:52
Daisyanyway, we will continue the discussion in Gerrit. It's not in a hurry. It's a new item and very useful.13:52
eumel8yes13:53
katomoyeah13:53
DaisySo I will leave the remain time for open discussions.13:53
Daisy#topic open discussions13:53
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katomoo/13:53
katomohttp://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/rst-conv/inline-markups.html13:54
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katomo:program:`RabbitMQ` is useful to translate ?13:54
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ujucNo13:54
katomoI want to change :program:` ` to `` `` to simplify13:55
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ianychoiujuc, then just ``RabbitMQ`` ?13:55
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katomoujuc, thanks13:55
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DaisyI'm back.13:55
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katomoAs a translator, i think so13:55
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katomoDaisy: hello :)13:56
ujucYes, programs is no translation.13:56
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Daisykatomo: we should create a translator guidance.13:56
katomoguidance?13:56
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Daisywe need a translator guidance to tell them: which should be translated and which should not; which should be careful and which is called a "bad translation"13:57
DaisyTranslaion guide13:57
DaisyTranslation guide13:57
ianychoiAha.. +1 because some translators would translate 'program' word, which generates wrong html outputs.13:57
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katomoyeah13:57
katomo`` `` is not sufficient?13:57
Daisywe could document these down in the "i18n contribution guide", right ?13:58
eumel8+1 for the guide13:58
Daisythe doc Akihiro and you are working on, I cannot remember the exact name.13:58
ianychoiI mean some users translate :program:`RabbitMQ` ==> :[aaaa]:`[bbbb]`13:58
katomoDaisy: sure13:58
ianychoiaaaa and bbbb are local languages13:58
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ianychoiso I agree to just use ``RabbitMQ``13:58
katomowow13:58
Daisyianychoi: yes, the new translator will make this mistake.13:58
katomoso,,, ``  `` is better :)13:59
katomo`` can not translate.13:59
ianychoiYes13:59
ujucYes :)13:59
katomothanks. good example.13:59
Daisykatomo: we don't have time in the meeting. But we could go to i18n channel to continue the discussion.13:59
katomooops14:00
katomookay14:00
ianychoiThanks for all the guys!14:00
Daisykatomo: I have to close the meeting now. Thank you for attending.14:00
ujucOk14:00
Daisy#endmeeting14:00
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katomothanks all14:00
eumel8thx14:00
ujucBye :)14:00
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Daisyujuc, eumel8, and ianychoi: we could go to openstack-i18n to continue the discussion.14:01
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gordc#startmeeting telemetry15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 19 15:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'telemetry'15:00
gordcfirst telemetry meeting.15:00
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gordcnadya_: good to know who you are15:02
gordclet's start15:02
nadya_:)15:02
gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Telemetry/RoadMap15:03
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gordcso i updated15:03
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gordc(most) of the ceilometer wiki to point to telemetry15:03
gordci also updated the list of roadmap items that currently don't have owners15:03
gordcfeel free to add items you think i missed15:04
gordcor grab an item yourself15:04
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gordcif you noticed i missed any ceilometer->telemetry items, please let me know as well.15:04
jd__o/15:05
jd__gordc: the spec repo15:05
gordcand i guess last note is please review specs already up https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ceilometer-specs,n,z15:05
gordcjd__: you mean move that to telemetry-specs?15:05
jd__gordc: would make sense I guess15:05
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gordci left it unchanged currently because all our bp still are under ceilometer launchpad15:06
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gordcjd__: shall we open up bp links for aodh and gnocchi?15:06
jd__if needed15:06
jd__if we have specs for these projects15:07
gordcjd__: you know how easy a repo rename is?15:07
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gordcwhat happens to the docs it publishes?15:07
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gordcerr, i'll look into it i guess... for now keep it pointing to ceilometer-specs15:09
gordcany other items?15:09
gordc#topic aodh topics15:10
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gordcnothing listed, but just a reminder, if someone wants to step up and be a lead for aodh, please do so15:10
nadya_gordc: what means 'lead'?15:11
gordcanyone else have aodh items? anyone take a look at this? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079614.html15:11
nadya_gordc: ptl-helper responsible for aodh?15:11
gordcnadya_: basically.15:11
gordcnadya_: just keep track of any important work items.15:12
gordcnadya_: track aodh bugs15:12
gordcnadya_: i'm basically trying to get others to do my job :)15:12
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nadya_gordc: yep, I see :)15:13
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gordcok so we can move on.15:13
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gordctake a look at that list if you have opinions on vitrage or root cause analysis.15:14
gordc#topic ceilometer topics15:14
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gordcno real updates here, i released ceilometerclient 2.0.1 this week15:15
gordcerrr... that's really it.15:15
gordcany one else?15:15
lluone question, do we need release notes for client?15:15
gordcor we'll just jump into ityaptin spec discussion15:15
silehtI'm fighting to get ceilometer working with keystoneauth115:16
gordcllu: i ask dhellmann it's for services currently15:16
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gordcllu: but they'll probably be applied to libs/clients later15:16
gordcsileht: we need a new ceilometerclient?15:16
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silehtgordc, perhaps I'm not sure yet15:16
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gordci'm really hoping we can get that gnocchiclinet patch in... i'm watching that.15:17
silehtme too15:17
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gordccool cool. let us know if you hit any blockers.15:17
ityaptinDoes anyone has a experience with a libvirt? We met with this issue  in our deployments https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/145744015:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1457440 in Ceilometer "Compute agent virDomainGetBlockInfo error for instances with RBD backend" [Medium,Triaged]15:17
silehtI have some issue on gate only :(15:17
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silehtityaptin, looks like a kvm/libvirt issue not a ceilometer one15:18
ityaptinNobody wants to fix it :-(15:18
gordcsileht: delete the tests15:18
gordcityaptin: i saw that, was going to look at it yesterday but got distracted15:18
gordcityaptin: you try asking on openstack-nova?15:18
gordcityaptin: i think nobody knows how.15:19
ityaptinYes, I wrote a letter to openstack dev15:19
dguitarbiteityaptin: Something to do with Libvirt prob. the version of libvirt.15:19
gordcityaptin: let me try pinging kvm person after this15:19
silehtityaptin, try to see if a more recent version of libvirt or kvm fix the issue15:19
jd__gordc: re: repo rename, it's not that hard, but it requires a downtime so they do that once every 2 weeks or something on Saturday usually IIRC15:19
ityaptingordc, thanks!15:19
silehtityaptin, if not perhaps this is just not implements for rbd backend15:20
gordcdguitarbite: cool. thanks for pointer15:20
gordcsileht: that's what i thought too... but was too lazy to install everything and verify15:20
gordcjd__: ack. i'll check with infra15:20
gordc#action  gordc message infra to change ceilometer-specs to telemetry-specs15:21
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ityaptinsileht: If rbd doesn't support it, I will write a doc entry and update the bug15:21
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silehtityaptin, I guess it doesn't support it, I have the latest kvm with the cloud-archive libvirst for trusty and got:15:22
silehtvirsh domblkinfo c04b85f2-aa2f-47d5-b412-2ad67c250e56 vda15:22
silehterror: internal error: missing storage backend for network files using rbd protocol15:22
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ityaptinsileht: ok. so, I suggest additionally  catch this issue in virt inspector and put "%s is not supported in rbd" instead of trace15:24
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silehtityaptin, looks good15:24
ityaptinityaptin: I will do.15:24
gordcityaptin: no problem with it either but i'll see if it's something wrong our end.15:25
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gordccool let's move on to spec.15:26
gordc#topic spec for new project with polling and notification (ityaptin)15:26
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gordcityaptin: go for it.15:26
ityaptinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/246314/315:26
gordcityaptin: my main question was trying to figure out what exactly is being split15:27
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nadya_gordc: polling + notifications. Because notificaton agent is responsible for transforming now15:28
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nadya_gordc: and it seems difficult to break pipeline.yaml15:29
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gordcnadya_: so collector is remaining service in ceilometer?15:29
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nadya_yep15:29
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nadya_the new service will publish messages somewhere. and collector may be configured to catch them15:30
gordchmm.. what functionality does collector have without polling+notification agents?15:31
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nadya_storage. put and get15:31
ityaptingordc: In ceilometer we will still have an api for getting data and a collector for recording.15:32
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gordcnadya_: but it only understands polling/notification sample/event models15:33
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gordcityaptin: i see.15:33
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gordcso i think originally the discussion at summit was that we could configure the notification agent build data in any pluggable model15:34
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gordci think right now the polling/notification code is pretty separate already no? any other opinions?15:35
nadya_gordc: collector will be used if users want to use Ceilometer storages. If they want to publish to Kafka or whatever, then they probably don't want collector15:35
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nadya_gordc: it is. but the same story was about alarming code15:36
nadya_gordc: the idea about "the notification agent build data in any pluggable model" may be implemented as well during refactoring15:37
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* jd__ agrees with nadya_ and ityaptin, he thinks15:38
gordci'm pretty indifferent15:38
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gordcthe remaining collector+api code will be pretty sparse15:39
gordcespecially if you consider the metering api to be in maintenance mode.15:39
nadya_gordc: I'm afraid it's evolution :( People uses Ceilometer for collection mostly. External storages is very common solution15:41
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gordcnadya_: understood. just pointing out the packages are already like this.15:42
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jd__gordc: yeah then we need to move out the event part… and we're pretty done15:43
gordci'm pretty sure this is going to be moving 90% of code and keeping 10%.15:43
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gordcjd__: i think that's what we originally discussed15:43
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jd__that's what I wanted to do this cycle15:44
jd__but if we do this one I'm not sure it's wise to do all in one cycle15:44
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gordcjd__: agreed15:44
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gordcnadya_: i'm indifferent, i don't think this will help much from a user or dev pov but i'm an old man and don't like change.15:46
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gordcbut tbh, if it ends up being a 90/10 split in code, i don't see the value. unless we plan on adding functionality to that 10%15:47
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nadya_gordc: ok, I see your point. We may just start doing this and evaluate the results15:47
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nadya_and discuss events separation with jd__, because it's not clear how it may be done15:48
gordcnadya_: yeah, that'd be good. give it a try.15:49
jd__gordc: if the 10% are the ones deprecated I don't see the problem moving them out anyway?15:49
gordcnadya_: i'm not sure how to split that and make it pluggable either15:49
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gordcjd__: are we moving the 10% because if we move collector/api, that requires new endpoint no?15:49
gordci think we're moving the 90%.15:49
jd__yeah15:50
jd__so it's better?15:50
jd__Why are you whining then? :p15:50
gordcalso, we only really deprecrating the metering, events api we need to keep (or make better)15:50
jd__gordc: yeah we need to split that, I said15:50
nadya_we deprecating metering? come on!15:51
gordcerr. so to formalise, the idea is: move out polling+notification agent?15:51
jd__sounds like it15:52
nadya_gordc: yep! metering deprecation is another topic15:52
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jd__then we deprecate OpenStack15:52
gordcnadya_: give it a try.15:52
nadya_I just haven't heard about this yet :)15:52
nadya_gordc: ok!15:52
gordcjd__: write a spec15:53
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jd__gordc: we deprecated spec already.15:53
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nadya_btw, Monasca should be at this meeting :)?15:53
gordcjd__: damn. we must move forward then.15:53
jd__nadya_: is this a question?15:53
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nadya_jd__: yep15:53
jd__nadya_: why should they?15:53
nadya_they are telemetry15:53
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nadya_and this is telemetry meeting15:54
gordcnadya_: we don't manage them...15:54
gordcand we don't own telemetry space... just the name.lol15:54
jd__they're not part of the telemetry project team15:54
gordcchanging to open discussion15:54
jd__they never requested to join AFAIK15:54
gordc#topic open discussion15:54
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nadya_gordc: I thought you may become their PTL accidentally15:55
jd__lol15:55
gordchahahah!15:55
gordcnadya_: man, people would be soooo angry.15:55
jd__:))15:55
nadya_:)15:56
jd__you're such a troll nadya_15:56
gordcnadya_: you will get me in trouble.15:56
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nadya_sorry ;)15:57
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gordcnadya_: our official response is we will listen to all ideas and are always open to integration.15:57
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gordci learned politics from eglynn.15:57
gordcok we all good?15:58
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nadya_yep, I think so15:58
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gordcthanks everyone.15:58
gordc#endmeeting15:59
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 19 17:00:58 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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mtreinishhi, who's here for today's meeting?17:01
dwallecko/17:01
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mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_November_19th_2015_.281700_UTC.2917:01
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:01
mtreinishlooks pretty boilerplate today17:02
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mtreinishandreaf, sdague, mkoderer, jordanP, dtroyer, afazekas: around?17:03
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andreafmtreinish: what's up?17:03
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mtreinishandreaf: meeting time...17:03
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andreafmtreinish: oh, I'm in a different TZ, I got confused, sorry17:03
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mtreinishwell let's get start, maybe more people will trickle a bit later17:04
mtreinish#link Specs Reviews17:04
mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:04
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:05
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any open spec reviews to discuss today?17:05
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dwalleckslowrie: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247575/17:05
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247575/17:05
mtreinishdwalleck: is that that first of the cli refactor specs we discussed at summit?17:06
dwalleckWe put up one of the first new tempest command line specs. More are on the way17:06
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dwalleckmtreinish: yup17:06
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mtreinishdwalleck: ok, cool I'll take a look. Those specs shouldn't be too involved so it'll hopefully go quick :)17:07
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andreafmtreinish: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/17:07
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andreafI have to respin it to address oomichi comments, but I'd like to get more eyes on it17:07
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dwalleckmtreinish: Hoping so! I might ping you back about the run one. I'm trying to refresh my memory about what we discussed around testrepository.ui17:07
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mtreinishandreaf: ok, yeah that'll be a good one to get moving soon17:08
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mtreinishdwalleck: sure, np17:09
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/23018317:09
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mtreinishthat one is from SpamapS about some additional instrumentation of gate runs17:10
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mtreinishit LGTM, but we talk about it semi-regularly so I might be too close to fairly evaluate the spec17:10
dwalleckI like it, interesting data to have17:10
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mtreinishok, are there any other specs to discuss?17:11
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mtreinishok, then let's move on17:12
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mtreinish#topic Priority Items17:12
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mtreinish#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities17:13
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mtreinishso for those who weren't at summit that's the etherpad we're using for tracking at a high level what this cycle's prio items are17:13
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mtreinishwe've already closed out one item from the list17:14
jordanP\o/17:14
mtreinishsdague got multinode grenade voting everywhere17:14
andreafnice :)17:15
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mtreinishdoes anyone else have anything to discuss on this topic?17:15
mtreinishwe can talk about specific items on the list here, or in the project specific sessions. It doesn't really matter17:16
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jordanP'Drop extras.d from devstack (sdague) M1' <<-- -we still have 80-tempest.sh in there17:17
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jordanPI hope we are not going to shoot ouselve in the foot17:18
mtreinishjordanP: yeah, that's something we have to work to drop. I don't think it's used by any of the gating jobs right now, so I'm not sure what it's for17:18
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jordanPmtreinish, how could it be not used ?17:18
jordanPthis is how tempest gets installed no ?17:18
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mtreinishjordanP: sdague has a script that prints very obviously when extras.d is used and is tracking that with logstash17:19
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mtreinishwe don't have that on every run, so I assumed it's not used17:20
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jordanPhumm...17:20
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jordanPmtreinish, "local exceptions="50-ironic.sh 60-ceph.sh 80-tempest.sh"17:21
jordanPthat's why...17:21
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jordanPanyway, a fix should be easy and we can react quickly when it's time, i guess17:21
mtreinishah ok17:21
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mtreinishjordanP: yeah, I'm not too worried about it17:22
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mtreinishok, well if there isn't anything else I guess we can move on17:23
mtreinish#topic Tempest17:24
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sdagueyeh, so those will be exempted17:24
sdagueuntil we can migrate them out17:24
jordanPandreaf, is making good progress on "cred provider" (when he is not breaking the world haha!)17:24
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andreafjordanP: oh, you found out about my secret evil plan17:25
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mtreinishjordanP: heh, that happens a lot with the cred provider stuff.17:25
mtreinishjordanP: I think it took us at least 50 revs to get the accounts providers right :)17:25
andreafjordanP, mtreinish: next step is to get client.py out of the credential providers, and the route I'm taking is to split credentials provisioning and resource provisioning17:25
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jordanPyeah, I can image17:26
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jordanP*imagine17:26
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mtreinishandreaf: that's not a small task...17:26
andreafjordanP, mtreinish: but I need to do that in a way that still maintains the link between the creds and their resource17:27
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andreafresources17:27
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andreafyes I'm trying to find out the best way to do that in small steps17:27
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mtreinishto be fair, we never really thought about external consumption when we wrote all of that17:28
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on tempest to discuss?17:29
mtreinishok, then lets move on17:30
mtreinish#topic DevStack17:30
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything to discuss about devstack this week?17:31
mtreinishdtroyer, sdague: ^^^17:31
jordanPlet's not drop support for ubuntu precise :)17:31
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sdagueyeh, that17:31
sdaguelet's drop it17:31
sdaguewe just merged nova code that won't work there17:31
jordanPlet's wait for that liberasure package to get into the repo17:31
mtreinishwait, devstack still supports precise?17:32
jordanPsdague,  because of libvirt requirement ?17:32
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sdaguemtreinish: right, exactly17:32
sdaguejordanP: because of unconditional flag use on ebtables17:32
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jordanPsdague, I use devstack to deploy swift and keystone, I don"t need nova17:33
sdaguemtreinish: this is the patch in question - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246973/17:33
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sdaguejordanP: then you can force it on there with the override17:33
sdaguesaying devstack supports precise means it all works there17:34
sdagueand means people will file bugs and think we are going to fix it. You just have to run with FORCE=yes17:34
jordanPyeah.... just for this ebtables hack :(17:35
sdagueno, it's actually not for the hack17:35
sdagueit's for the real fix17:35
sdaguethe hack doesn't care about your ebtables version17:35
mtreinishjordanP: the hack just calls ebtables with flock, that works on precise :)17:36
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sdagueanyway, I don't think that upstream devstack should state that it supports precise17:36
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sdaguebecause it doesn't in the general case17:36
jordanPyeah, ok, I call hack my way around this17:36
jordanP*can17:36
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sdaguejordanP: did you sort out with the swift and ubuntu folks if that package is getting backported?17:37
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jordanPyeah, there is some good progress, imo. theres a bug report for this which tracks the progress:17:38
sdagueok, I don't want to hold up swift ci if they need this sooner rather than later17:38
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sdagueso you're on a clock :)17:39
jordanPI know17:39
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sdagueI think other than that, the ebtables hack seems to have helped on the fail rate17:40
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sdaguethough logstash fell over so it's a little hard to tell17:41
mtreinishsdague: oh, cool. It's good that helped17:41
mtreinishheh, ok17:41
sdagueand now ES is 17 hours behind17:41
mtreinishsdague: the fail rate graph still looks a little fuzzy: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/17:41
sdaguewe should also land - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245881/ - to never speak of partail upgrade again17:41
* mtreinish notes we really need to change the graph type to be something more suited to the data17:41
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sdaguemtreinish: yeh, 25% doesn't mean anything without error bars17:42
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jordanPhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/1517713 (Please backport liberasurecode 1.1.0-2 (main) from xenial)17:42
openstackLaunchpad bug 1517713 in trusty-backports "Please backport liberasurecode 1.1.0-2 (main) from xenial" [Undecided,New]17:42
mtreinishok is there anything else on devstack? (and grenade)17:43
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sdaguemtreinish: I don't think so17:43
mtreinishok, then let's move on17:44
sdaguejordanP: are there any ubuntu people on that bug?17:44
jordanPsdague, yes; this bug report was opened as a request by Micah on https://bugs.launchpad.net/precise-backports/+bug/151571017:44
openstackLaunchpad bug 1517713 in trusty-backports "duplicate for #1515710 Please backport liberasurecode 1.1.0-2 (main) from xenial" [Undecided,New]17:44
jordanP22 hours ago17:44
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mtreinish#topic OpenStack Health17:45
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mtreinish#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-health-tracking17:45
mtreinishso the big news on openstack health is:17:45
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/23500917:45
mtreinishwhich is the db migration SpamapS and I were working on that should fix most of the subunit2sql perf issues17:46
dwalleckwoo!17:46
jordanP\o/17:46
mtreinishwe're prepping things to run it next week (and include that in the 1.0 subunit2sql release)17:46
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mtreinishthe run time estimates don't look so great, at taking multiple days to finish :(17:47
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jordanPmtreinish, we could also drop the data and start from scratch17:48
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mtreinishother than that, glauco has been working on some improvements to make the first 2 pages grouping a bit more generic17:48
mtreinishjordanP: we thought about doing that, but then the dashboard or other tooling isn't really useful for at least a week, while we rebuild the trends17:48
mtreinishjordanP: that'll be the fallback option if something goes wrong :)17:49
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jordanPk17:49
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on openstack health this week?17:50
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mtreinishok, then lets move on17:51
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:51
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mtreinishdoes anyone have a review they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:52
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mtreinishreally no reviews :)17:53
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mtreinishok, if there aren't any reviews I guess let's end here today17:54
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mtreinishthanks everyone17:54
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mtreinish#endmeeting17:55
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daneyon_#startmeeting container-networking18:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 19 18:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:01
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daneyon_Agenda18:01
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daneyon_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Containers#Agenda18:01
daneyon_I'll give everyone a minute to review the agenda18:01
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daneyon_#topic roll call18:02
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hongbino/18:02
Tangoo/18:02
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daneyon_Thank you hongbin Tango gus for joining18:03
Tangogus: Pretty early for you?18:03
eghobo_o/18:03
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gusTango: yep, 5am - so use small words ;)18:03
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daneyon_Thank you eghobo_ for joining18:03
suro-patzo/18:03
daneyon_#topic Flannel host-gw patch18:03
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daneyon_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/18:04
adrian_ottoskipped roll call?18:04
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adrian_ottooh, lagged18:04
daneyon_I think the community has settled on option 2 of the patch18:04
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daneyon_which means the patch has to be refactored since it implements option 318:04
daneyon_Thank you adrian_otto for joining18:05
TangoSo I tried out the host-gw backend on our atomic-5 image but couldn't get it to work.18:05
TangoNo connectivity between the containers18:05
daneyon_anyone willing to refactor the host-gw patch to implement option 2?18:05
TangoWonder if there is anything else we need to configure18:05
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Tangodaneyon_: I would be interested to carry it forward.18:06
daneyon_Tango you may need to open-up the neutron anti-spoofing iptables (enabled by default)18:06
daneyon_Tango that's great18:06
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Tangodaneyon_: Does that prevent rules to be added to the iptables?  Because I saw no change in the NAT table.18:07
gusTango: yep, it needs to "spoof" IP, but not MAC>18:07
gus.18:07
daneyon_If you haven;t done so already, can you leave a comment in the review letting everyone know you are going to carry it forward using option 2?18:07
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Tangodaneyon_: Sure, will do that.18:07
daneyon_Tango I have yet to play with the host-gw mode, but I would not be surprised if neutron's anti-spoofing is blocking. ping me more offline to discuss18:08
daneyon_i'll move the agenda forward18:08
Tangodaneyon_: ok, sounds good.18:08
daneyon_#topic Latest on Swarm CNM patches18:08
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daneyon_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245286/218:08
daneyon_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244978/18:09
daneyon_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244848/18:09
daneyon_good news, 1 of the 3 merged... yay!!!!18:09
daneyon_and the other 2 are well on their way.18:09
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daneyon_adrian_otto if you have time it would be much appreciated if you could review the final 2.18:09
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daneyon_i have addressed comments from previous patch sets18:10
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daneyon_and i think they are ready to go18:10
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daneyon_otherwise we need another core to +2 and +1 workflow18:10
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daneyon_then we'll have the flannel network-driver implemented for Swarm :-)18:10
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daneyon_unless their are any questions, I'll move the agenda forward.18:11
adrian_ottodaneyon_: I will make time to review them, thanks18:11
daneyon_adrian_otto thank you sir.18:11
daneyon_#topic Flannel for Mesos Update18:11
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daneyon_#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/151676718:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1516767 in Magnum "Add etcd support in mesos bay" [Undecided,New]18:11
* gus is new to this one and the bug doesn't give background - why are we considering flannel for mesos?18:12
daneyon_everyone take a moment to checkout out the link18:12
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daneyon_hongbin and i discussed not implementing the flannel driver for mesos until etcd is supported and has a chance to make18:13
hongbinYes, it is18:13
gusMy understanding is that mesos uses host IPs (or things NATted to look like host IPs), and so doesn't need any additional routing help since the hosts already know how to reach each other..18:13
daneyon_otherwise we have to make considerable changes to how magnum implements k/v stores18:13
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daneyon_gus, that is correct. mesos is using "legacy" docker networking... containers get nat'd by the host (vm in our case)18:14
gusok, so where does flannel come into it>18:14
gus?18:14
daneyon_this mesos issue brings up an important point of the Magnum CNM...18:14
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daneyon_Not every network-driver needs to be implemented across all bay types18:14
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hongbinI agree18:15
gusright - I don't think there's any need for any additional network driver for mesos?18:15
Tango+118:15
hongbinIf flannel doesn't fit into mesos, we don't have to support that18:15
daneyon_Somce network-drivers may provide significant value to a particular bay type, but not to others. We should be supportive of this instead of trying to jam a particular networking implementation across all bay types18:16
daneyon_thoughts?18:16
TangoAgree18:16
TangoIt may not make sense to fill out the matrix18:16
gusI hadn't realised network drivers were being considered *across* bay types.  Yes, I strongly suggest network drivers should only be relevant/useful within specific bay types.18:17
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daneyon_gus just as with swarm, an operator/user may want to use flannel to realize the container network within the cluster... For example, if they do not want container ip's nat'd.18:17
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TangoSo that raises the question:  how do we communicate which is supported where?18:18
gusdaneyon_: except then you aren't using mesos, right?18:18
daneyon_this is what the Magnum CNM is all about, providing choice of container networking implementations, while using sensible defaults for simplicity18:18
daneyon_mesos does not yet support the Magnum CNM18:18
daneyon_we were planning on using flannel as the 1st implementation of the CNM for mesos, but then we hit the etcd issue18:19
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adrian_ottothe idea is to have what we as a community agree is the best default choice for networking for each bay type, and a way that alternate choices can be selected when needs justify a departure from the default.18:19
adrian_ottoconsistent application of one networking type for all bays is a non-goal.18:19
daneyon_this caused me to think about our general approach to implementing the CNM... in that every net-driver does not need to necessarily cover every bay type (ex > mesos).18:20
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daneyon_Tango a net-driver support matrix is also what hongbin and i discussed18:20
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daneyon_any takers to create the matrix on the wiki?18:21
Tangodaneyon_: You would be the best candidate :)18:21
daneyon_#action Tango to implement option 2 in the flannel host-gw patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241866/18:22
daneyon_Tango agreed18:22
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daneyon_#action danehans to create a network-driver support matrix18:22
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daneyon_gus the matrix would show a N/A or not supported for flannel/mesos within the matrix18:23
gusdaneyon_: yep, makes sense.18:23
daneyon_adrian_otto thx for sharing18:24
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daneyon_so we are in agreement on this topic18:24
daneyon_thanks for the discussion.18:24
daneyon_#topic Open Discussion18:24
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daneyon_I have a topic to kick it off and it includes Tango18:25
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daneyon_Tango ran into an issue that requires the flannel pkg to be upgraded18:25
daneyon_however our version of atomic (fc21) does not support the req flannel pkg.18:25
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hongbinA question. Why not put flannel in a container?18:26
daneyon_we can do 1 of 2 things: 1. live with the bug (vxlan does not work) or 2. Update the image so we can support a newer version of atomic and req flannel pkg18:26
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daneyon_thoughts?18:26
daneyon_hongbin not a bad idea18:27
daneyon_has anyone tried running flannel in a container18:27
adrian_ottoyou's ned to use --net=host18:27
daneyon_in my experience working on the kolla project, some services are a PITA to containerize18:27
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daneyon_it may be easier updating the atomic version, which i think needs to be done no matter what18:28
eghobo_hongbin: I am going to try it for one of my real deployment and will share experience later18:28
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daneyon_and containerizing flannel could be a follow-on18:28
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TangoSome update: I saw kojipkgs has new update for flannel.  I tried building the packages but they all failed, even with the fc22 base.18:28
daneyon_eghobo_ that would be great to know18:28
hongbineghobo_: thx18:29
adrian_ottoI would urge us not to just containerize flannel as a point solution, but could we containerize the full scope of what we run on bay nodes?18:29
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adrian_ottoit might be much easier to do image maintenance that way18:29
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daneyon_i have a feeling that adrian_otto is correct using the --net=host, but that should not be an issue since the tenant owns the nova vm18:29
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adrian_ottoit could potentially make bay nodes a bit more secure as well18:30
daneyon_adrian_otto agreed. and containerizing flannel would be just 1 of the work streams of the BP.18:30
eghobo_adrian_otto: we cannot put kublet at container yet18:30
hongbinWe have BP to containerize k8s into containers18:30
hongbin#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container18:30
gusadrian_otto: I've certainly run all these bits in the past in containers, with liberal use of --net=host and --privileged.18:30
daneyon_is anyone interested in creating this BP and kicking off the implementation?18:30
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adrian_ottoeghobo_: I think it's possible with some elbow grease18:31
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TangoWould the BP cover just Flannel, or other services as well?18:31
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eghobo_gus: I talked with Kub and Docker folks and volumes are not going to work18:31
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guseghobo_: depending on where you mount things from yes18:32
daneyon_Tango I think we just leverage the bp hongbin shared18:32
eghobo_as Tim K said only 90% functionality will work18:32
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daneyon_I think it would be nice to expand the language in that bp, so it's not only k8s... but i'm not hung up on it.18:33
hongbineghobo_: do you know exactly what won't work?18:33
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gusit's kind of a question of what you actually _want_ to run on the outside - you could run an entire nested docker for example, but you probably don't want to.18:33
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daneyon_as with the network-driver stuff, even if we can't containerize all services, let's containerize what makes sense.18:33
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gusnote flannel is also implemented in go, so "upgrading" flannel is about as easy as installing a container - you just need to install a single file.18:34
daneyon_does anyone want to lead the effort of containerizing the services, maybe starting off with flannel?18:35
adrian_ottogreat, let's proceed on that track, and apply what we learn.18:35
hongbindaneyon_: wanghua is the owner of the BP18:35
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hongbindaneyon_: He said he was interesting to work on that18:35
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daneyon_#danehans check with wanghua on implementation status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container18:36
daneyon_#action danehans check with wanghua on implementation status of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/run-kube-as-container18:36
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daneyon_i still think we need to update the atomic image to a newer release, but that's a bit outside the scope of networking.18:37
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daneyon_any other discussion topics?18:38
TangoI am checking the logs for the failed flannel builds.  We may need to get help from the IRC.18:39
daneyon_gus that is correct re: the single flanneld bin. however, we have been using pkg's from the distro provider18:39
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gusyeah sure, just highlighting that we might not need to do that.  We're only supporting a single architecture so just downloading our own flannel binary somewhere is quite feasible.18:40
daneyon_Tango it was my understanding that the newer flannel src rpm's will not build w/o going to atomic f22 or newer18:40
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Tangodaneyon_: I tried building it against fc22, but that also failed18:41
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gusoh and re running everything in containers: I think mesos slaves only have support for a single "special" docker container (--docker_mesos_image) - it will assume it can garbage collect all the others.18:41
daneyon_it seems like we are running an old school version of atomic and no matter what we do with flannel we should maintain the distro image18:41
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daneyon_or drop it and just focus on coreos, ubuntu, etc..18:41
eghobogus: there is bunch of images at https://hub.docker.com/u/mesoscloud/18:42
eghobobut I have no idea they works or not ):18:42
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guseghobo: yep, the mesos slave is usually just the single service.  But if we start putting various cluster-admin pieces in containers that might no longer be true.18:43
daneyon_gus agreed. Since it's a broader discussion topic, we just need to address the design change (from pkg's to src) with the community.18:43
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daneyon_i took an actio to check with wanghua on the status of the BP. If it's stalled, we will need someone to drive the BP forward18:44
daneyon_or update the atomic image to f22, update the flannel pkg, etc..18:44
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daneyon_or we just live with the bug :-( Not so great since vxlan provides better performance than UDP and we don;t have the host-gw option implemented yet.18:45
TangoI am following up on the image18:45
daneyon_thanks Tango18:45
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gusWhat's the appetite for using a complex neutron setup underneath?18:46
Tangogus: Can you elaborate?18:47
daneyon_i think if we containerize or not, their will be some services (at least for the foreseeable future) that can not be containerize and we have to support them directly on the OS.18:47
gusI'm thinking of something like a route per host - ie: doing all of flannel's work in neutron itself.18:47
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gus(More like what k8s does on GCE)18:47
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TangoWould that be BP or patches done in neutron?18:48
daneyon_gus: every bay gets a neutron router and a shared network, a float is created so you can ssh to the nodes from outside18:48
gusdownside: In a typical neutron setup using linuxbridge or ovs (without DVR), it won't scale well in practice since the traffic would all go up through the network node.18:48
daneyon_i think it's pretty basic18:48
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daneyon_we are using the neutron lbaas, but that is needed for ha of api, etcd, etc..18:48
gusdaneyon_: right, it's basic currently.  Given the questions raised in the host-gw discussion about scaling beyond a single L2 network, I was just thinking of what that future might look like.18:49
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daneyon_gus i'm open to hearing other neutron network designs. Feel free to start the discussion on the ML18:49
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gusdaneyon_: ack.18:50
hongbingus: Just confirm. Do you know kuryr?18:50
gushongbin: yes.18:50
daneyon_note: that we also need to communicate with the kuryr team.18:50
hongbingus: And we plan to have a kuryr net-driver18:51
daneyon_so we are in sync18:51
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daneyon_any other discussion?18:51
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daneyon_if not i'll close the meeting18:51
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gushongbin: right - if it's just a matter of routes, we can probably assemble it using the current neutron api - but it would have some serious implications depending on how neutron itself was configured.18:51
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gusdaneyon_: (nothing else from me)18:52
daneyon_ok18:52
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daneyon_thanks everyone for joining and for the great discussion18:52
daneyon_#endmeeting18:52
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Nov 19 21:00:56 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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mriedem#link meeting agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting21:01
mriedemwho is around?21:01
bauzas\o21:01
auggyo/21:01
melwitto/21:01
_gryfo/21:01
edleafe\o21:01
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tpatilHi21:01
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tonyb\o21:01
mriedemalright, let's get started21:02
mriedem#topic release status21:02
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mriedemtoday is spec review day21:02
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mriedemi've reviewed 1 spec today, so i hope others are doing better21:02
mikal.21:02
raildo\o21:02
mriedemVirtual doc sprint December 8th and 9th21:02
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mriedemi haven't been following the doc string thing, is that just reviewing nova's docs (globally?)21:03
mriedems/string/sprint/21:03
bauzasI feel it's api related21:03
mriedemmanuals, api docs, config docs, devref?21:03
mriedemok21:03
mriedemfocused would be nice21:03
mriedemanyone have that etherpad handy with the api doc gaps?21:03
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ccarmackhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc ?21:04
bauzashttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc21:04
bauzassnaaaaap again21:04
mriedem#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc21:04
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mriedemprobably some good things for new people in there21:04
mriedemlots of api extensions for v2.1 are usually missing from what i remember21:04
mriedemanything else on this?21:04
auggyshould we add a link to that doc to the mitaka api etherpad? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-api21:05
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mriedemauggy: sure21:05
mriedemthere is a documentation section in there21:05
* auggy is adding it now21:05
mriedemkeeping tracks of etherpads is a losing game really21:05
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mriedemMitaka-1 is December 1st-3rd21:05
mriedemdhellmann had a note in the ML about that21:06
mriedembasically getting ducks in a row, which i think we have, at least with reno21:06
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mriedemi think one TODO there is having reno changes for any upgrade impact or completed bp's with docimpact before mitaka-121:06
mriedembauzas was starting that21:07
bauzaswe just need to make sure that all UpgradeImpact merged patches have a reno file21:07
bauzasyeah that21:07
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mriedemyup, and if anyone has completed blueprints already and there were doc changes, let's get those release note changes up21:07
mriedemlike deprecating nova-manage service stuff21:07
mriedemmoving on21:07
mriedemDecember 3rd is also non-priority spec and blueprints freeze21:07
bauzasyup, there is an open discussion point about that, moving on21:07
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mriedemso exactly 2 weeks,21:08
mriedemwe stop accepting non-priority specs21:08
mriedemdansmith: ^ is that stop accepting *new* specs or stop approving all non-priority specs?21:08
mriedemi always get that tripped up21:08
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tonybmriedem: the latter IIUC21:08
dansmithmriedem: I don't remember21:08
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mriedemyeah, that's what it looks like here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mitaka_Release_Schedule21:08
dansmithmriedem: last time we had a spec proposal freeze and we don't have that this time I think?21:09
mriedemlet's assume it's a freeze on all non-priority specs21:09
* tonyb shoudl get his spec written!21:09
mriedemdansmith: that'd be good21:09
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mriedemit was confusing before21:09
mriedemyeah, so if you have specs to write, get them up like a month ago21:09
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mriedemas usual, the specs review etherpad is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking21:09
mriedemfor categories21:09
tonybmriedem: a month ago I didn't know I had a spec to write ;P21:09
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mriedemtime machine my friend21:10
sdaguewibbly wobbly21:10
mriedemspecless blueprints, do we have any?21:10
mriedemthere are some in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-spec-review-tracking21:10
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mriedemso check those out ^21:11
sdaguedo we have a blueprint registered yet for privsep?21:11
mriedemsdague: i'm not seeing one in the etherpad21:11
mriedemunder that name at least, or rootwrap21:11
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mriedemthat was a cross project spec right?21:11
sdagueI'm not seeing it in the list, and osbrick and osvif are kind of borked if we don't get that in21:11
sdaguethere is privsep existing21:11
sdaguethen the is nova implementing it21:11
mriedemdo we have a link to a cross project spec?21:12
mriedemwas it already approved?21:12
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mriedemhttp://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/liberty/privsep.html21:12
mikalWe said privseo sat under os-vif at the summit21:12
mikali.e. is a priority21:12
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mikalI don't think we made it clear to gus that he needs a spec for the nova work21:12
mriedemso i guess privsep was approved as a cross-project spec21:13
sdagueI don't think we need a spec21:13
mriedemwe need a bp for tracking purposes21:13
mriedembut not a spec21:13
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mikalYep, there's already an impl landed in oslo, but it needs to get released21:13
sdagueI think we need a blueprint for tracking getting it in21:13
mikalAhhh, yep. Sounds fair.21:13
mikalI will walk gus through that today21:13
mriedemwho wants to ping gus about this?21:13
mriedemok21:13
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mriedem#action mikal to get gus to get a bp up for nova re: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/oslo-specs/specs/liberty/privsep.html21:13
sdaguebecause osbrick has coupled cinder / osbrick / nova into lockstep until we have that21:13
mikalYep, understood21:13
mriedemyup21:13
mikalThe code took a while to land in oslo, but is done now21:14
mriedemi can add it to the etherpad we have later too21:14
mikalThe next step is tricking dims into releasing it21:14
mriedemi don't tihnk you need to trick dims into release oslo things21:14
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sdaguemikal: typey typey tricksy tricksy21:14
tonybmikal: gus was hoping that would be handeld by dim's oslo process21:14
mikalHeh21:14
mriedemyeah, every monday is oslo release monday21:14
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mikalYeah, I think he and I are hoping dims will do the releasy bits21:14
mriedemand tuesday is gate breakage tuesday :)21:14
mikalI will bribe him until its done21:14
mriedemmoving on21:14
mriedemi have a call out for novaclient 3.0 changes http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079915.html21:14
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tonybmriedem: it wasn't in the last batch so I'll get dims and gus in a cage match^W^Wroom21:15
mriedembasically, if you know of any backward incompatible changes to novaclient we want to make, we want to batch them up for 3.021:15
mriedemto release in mitaka-221:15
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mriedemanything else on release status?21:15
mriedemmoving on21:15
mriedem#topic regular reminders21:15
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mriedem#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking21:16
mriedemreview priorities as usual ^21:16
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mriedemanyone have an update on the trivial bug tracking going on in there?21:16
mriedemi haven't looked in there in awhile21:16
mriedemlooks like lxsli has been adding things21:16
mriedemmoving on21:16
mriedem#topic bugs21:17
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mriedemgate status: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html21:17
mikalI think we've also previously said its a bigger deal later in the cycle21:17
mriedemso the gate,21:17
mriedemo.vo thing got fixed earlierin the week21:17
bauzasthe gate is good, nope?21:17
mriedemthere is the ebtables thing sdague is working around21:17
sdaguealso, the incredible ebtables hack21:17
mriedemsdague: anything on that?21:17
bauzasoh21:17
sdagueyeh, we landed a hack in devstack to stop the bleeding21:17
tonybsdague: link?21:17
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mriedemhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/247250/21:18
mriedemplus master21:18
sdaguehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/246501/21:18
sdagueit's off by default in devstack, devstack-gate turns it on in the gate21:18
sdaguethe real fix landed in nova, but needs an env with libvirt 1.2.1121:19
mriedemis the d-g change in?21:19
sdagueyes21:19
mriedemhave we seen a drop in that failure?21:19
sdagueyes21:19
dansmithawesome21:19
sdagueonly on liberty today21:19
sdaguethen I pushed the backport21:19
mriedemhttp://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html#150155821:19
mriedemhttp://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html#150136621:19
sdaguelogstash had an outage so the data is a little hard to be sure, but it looks promissing21:19
mriedemcool21:19
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mriedemi don't have anything else on gate status21:20
mriedem3rd party ci http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days21:20
mriedemintel has been off in the weeds21:20
mriedemebay was spamming us21:20
mriedem*was*21:20
dansmiththat tool doesn't give me any results anymore21:20
dansmithis it broken?21:20
mriedemheh, idk21:20
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tonybdansmith: Yeah it looks down to me :(21:21
sdagueyeh, nothing there works21:21
mriedemthere is an intern at cloudbase that rechecks changes manually for hyper-v21:21
mriedemfor whatever reason..21:21
mriedemintenrbot21:21
dansmithyeah21:21
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dansmithbut regardless, intel ci has been off the rails for a while i think21:21
mriedemmoving on to critical bugs21:21
dansmithalso- xen?]21:21
mriedemdo we have any?21:21
mriedemxen has some racey fails21:21
mriedemi've been opening bugs on the xenproject ci fails21:21
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sdaguenothing listed as critical in the tracker21:22
mriedemi've been doing that so i can point them out to bob when he yells at me for merging a thing that breaks xenproject ci21:22
tonyb2 in LP both with fixes21:22
sdaguethe ebtables ones were our worst long running gate fail21:22
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mikalSo, I promised to chase Intel CI and have been doing that thing21:22
mikalThey have active work on reliability21:22
mikalAnd we talked about ways to make that more obvious to the community21:23
mriedeman intel person did show up in irc the other day asking about something21:23
mriedemso they at least seem engaged21:23
mriedemlet's move on?21:23
mikalYeah, we can talk more details later if you want21:23
mriedemi don't really :)21:23
mriedembut thanks21:23
dansmithheh21:23
mikalHeh21:23
mriedemstable branch status21:23
dansmithI just want it to work21:23
mriedemkilo: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/kilo,n,z21:23
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mriedemlots of red there21:24
mriedemso idk21:24
mriedemjuno is getting tagged today, if not already done21:24
mriedemalan was doing that this morning21:24
mriedemand we're not going to bump versions so things are just done, and then EOL soon21:24
mriedemRIP juno21:24
tonybmriedem: some of the red in kilo is blokced on juno EOLing so that's a thing :)21:24
mriedem(upstream)21:24
mriedemtonyb: oh, grenade21:24
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mriedemyeah, there will be job cleanup going on21:24
sdaguespot checking it looks like ceph is the fail on a lot of those21:25
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tonybmriedem: Umm oslo.utils needs a relase butit conflicts with Juno .....21:25
mriedemtonyb: ok, we can tackle that in -stable21:25
mriedemthere has been a ceph thing in the gate that jbernard was working on21:25
mriedemso i'm not surprised21:26
mriedemmoving on21:26
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:26
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mriedemthere is one listed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135387/21:26
tpatilMain point of objection so far is, there is no need to take instance snapshot as the instance disk files will be retained when shelved_offload_disk config parameter is set to False21:26
mriedemImprove Performance of UnShelve api21:26
tpatilPlease refer to PS 18 for comments from John21:26
tpatilIf snapshot is not taken during shelving, then it would be an API change from user’s point of view. So John suggested to make this discoverable in the API somehow.21:26
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tpatilWe can modify shelve API allowing user to pass parameter “snapshot=False/True” to decide whether to take snapshot or not during shelving process.  but then, it will complicate the case21:27
mriedemwhy should the user have to know21:27
mriedem?21:27
mriedemuser shouldn't know the stack env right?21:27
sdagueyeh, it seems like the user should not really need to know this21:27
mriedemshelve my thing in the most efficient way possible please21:28
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dansmithI thought we said we weren't going to do this at the summit?21:28
tpatilWe got a comment from john that snapshot is not required21:28
mriedemtpatil: so you're wondering about a behavior change of not taking a snapshot and then people wondering where it is?21:28
dansmithmaybe I'm just remembering what I wanted to hear?21:28
mriedemdansmith: it was a fantasy21:28
tpatilmriedem: correct21:29
mriedemhmm21:29
dansmithso, for real though, I feel like this has been "stuck" for about 18 months, which I think means it shouldn't be on the stuck list anymore21:29
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mriedemcould have a microversion that changes the response and tells you if you get a snapshot or not21:29
tpatildansmith: We have been chasing this spec since last 2 releases, hope it gets approved in this cycle.21:29
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mriedemi'd vote for just putting something in the response that says if you did a new thing or not, idk21:30
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tpatilSince Dec 3rd is freeze date for approving non-priority specs, I'm little worried now21:30
mriedemare there other operators that are interested in solving this?21:30
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tpatilWe have already replied to John comments and waiting for him to respond21:30
mriedemtpatil: what i've been doing lately is engaging the ops community on stuff like this, via the #openstack-operators channel and the openstack-operators ML21:31
tpatilno other party is interested it seems like21:31
mriedemtpatil: i'd try to get some opinions from other operators on this and see if they have opinions21:31
mriedemcrowdsource the spec21:31
tpatilBut it's an important thing for us (NTT)21:31
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tpatilmriedem: Thanks21:31
mriedemsure, but if we're talking about an api change, we should have buy in21:31
mriedemfrom others21:31
mriedemlet's move on21:31
mriedem#topic open discussion21:32
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mriedema few items21:32
mriedem1. should we create some explicit guidelines about the creation of "reno" release-note files?21:32
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tpatilmriedem: We don't want to change the API, but if that's what community want we can make that happen21:32
mriedemi need a link for the reno ML thread21:32
bauzasmriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247775/21:32
mriedem#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247775/ devref on when to add release notes21:33
bauzashttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079907.html is markus_z's thread21:33
mriedemalso21:33
mriedemyeah21:33
bauzascomments welcome of course...21:33
mriedem#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079907.html mailing list thread on when to reno21:33
mriedemi don't think this is rocket science so we can probably just restrict it to the ML and review right?21:34
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sdaguehonestly, I feel like it's just going to be a lot more consistent now than randomly figuring out important things later. We did one for the ebtables fix, and for the cells db being required.21:34
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mriedemyeah i don't think this is too difficult21:34
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mriedemcommon sense21:34
bauzasyup21:34
mriedemwe don't need a release note that you fixed a spelling error21:35
sdagueheh21:35
Vekheh21:35
mriedemmoving on21:35
mriedemthis is my baby: How do we want to handle instance_actions wrt purge/archive of instances?21:35
mriedemhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/079778.html21:35
mriedemso i have a change that starts to fix the nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows command: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246635/21:36
mriedemit's blocked on instance_actions not being soft deleted when instances are soft deleted21:36
mriedemsoft deleted being instances.deleted != 0, not the API21:36
mriedemso the question is, do we start soft deleting instance_actions? or when archiving, do we hard delete those mofos?21:36
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sdagueright, so instance_actions on deleted instances is potentially pretty useful21:36
mriedemformer is harder but probably better for the ops people, latter is easier to write and maintain21:37
sdaguethat's your time machine to figure out what happened21:37
mriedemright21:37
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nic+121:37
mriedemi was hoping some ops people would speak up about this21:37
bauzasI haven't yet seen a reply from ops, right?21:37
mriedemsince it was ops people that wanted us to fix the damn command21:37
mriedembauzas: right21:37
sdaguetoday it grows without bounds?21:37
mriedemsdague: instance_actions?21:37
mriedemyeah21:38
sdagueyeh21:38
mriedemand the instance actions API doesn't read deleted instances21:38
mriedemso once you delete the instance, the instance actions API is useless21:38
bauzasMHO is that hard deleting actions when purging sounds good, but I leave ops ranting that21:38
sdagueoh, tha's kind of suck21:38
melwittthat's unfortunate, IMO21:38
mriedemyeah, another alternative is hard delete and assume ops are getting the notifications, and storing them, and storing them for long enough to be useful21:39
sdagueso, honestly, in my ideal world instance actions would work with deleted instances, and there would be a separate pruning mechanism there21:39
bauzasfrom the API pov, a deleted instance is forgotten, so getting a list of actions is not possible21:39
mriedemwhich imo is not a great assumption21:39
melwittand I'm not sure it was intentional. generally all the api does an instance lookup as a universal first step21:39
nicI'm pretty sure it wasn't21:39
mriedemmelwitt: sdague: so fixing the os-instance-actions API is easy peasy21:39
bauzasgetting the list of actions for a deleted instance means an API change then21:39
nicThe deeltion action is recorded, just not accessible21:39
mriedemyeah, but it's a simple one21:39
sdaguebauzas: GET /servers/details?changes-since... returns deleted instances21:40
mriedemyup21:40
bauzassdague: sorry I meant os-instance-actions21:40
nicsdague: that is highly useful information21:40
sdaguebauzas: right, I know21:40
mriedemctrath: is working on the purge change,21:40
mriedembut i think that only purges soft deleted instances21:40
sdagueI was just saying we sometimes do return deleted in the API21:40
mriedemyeah it has to be21:40
ctrathright21:40
mriedembut...we still have to start soft deleting instance actions then21:41
mriedemfor purge to do it's magic, or we have special logic when purging instances to also hard-delete instance_actions21:41
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mriedemarchive has the same issue21:41
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mriedemso...21:41
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sdaguehonestly, probably just take this back to the ML, everyone coffee up and see what can be figured out there.21:42
mriedemor we punt and remove nova-manage db archive_deleted_rows and leave that up to the osops script that already exists :)21:42
bauzas:)21:42
mriedemsdague: yeah, it's in the ML21:42
mriedemno takers21:42
mriedemi'll add it to the ops meeting agenda21:42
sdaguemriedem: I'll throw in, I was chasing other fails today21:42
mriedem#action mriedem to follow up in ops meeting about instance_actions problem21:43
Vektry pushing the convo again after Thanksgiving?21:43
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mriedemwe can move on21:43
mriedemPowerVM Driver Docs21:43
mriedemthorst: ^21:43
mriedemfrom the agenda21:43
mriedem"Nova core team has asked the PowerVM Drivers team to show users of the driver other than the large PowerVC use. We have some good queries and interest in it, and of course do significant testing with pure OpenStack. However, to encourage external use, we would like to have some official documentation on docs.openstack.org to help with operator comfort in using the driver."21:43
thorstYeah, we're building out our driver operator docs.  We're hoping to get those hosted on docs.openstack.org21:43
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thorstI'll paste the other paragraph21:44
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thorstThe Telemetry and Networking teams have recognized these projects as official sub-projects of their programs, allowing us to use the OpenStack docs and specs infrastructure. This leaves nova-powervm in a bit of a chicken/egg scenario: providing official docs is a big part of getting users, but becoming official requires users.21:44
sdagueright, you can't do that, you aren't openstack yet.21:44
sdagueI saw the merged patch for rtd earlier though21:44
thorstright...so its just a bit of a chicken and egg scenario...21:44
thorstand we're looking for guidance.21:44
sdagueso that's a thing21:44
sdaguertd seems fine for now21:45
thorstyeah.  Its kinda a hack.21:45
mriedemhttp://nova-powervm.readthedocs.org/en/latest/21:45
thorstpersonally, if I were an operator I'd be looking on docs.openstack.org.21:45
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tonybI'm not certain I buy the argument that bing on d.o.o will help but that's just me21:45
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sdaguetonyb: ++21:46
sdaguethis is out there, googleable21:46
mriedemhttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=nova-powervm+docs21:46
mriedemit's the first result21:46
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sdagueyeh21:46
tonybadd a ..note:: We're workign in/eith the commnity .... to the top of the docs it's easy to show21:46
mriedemso i don't think docs.o.o is a major blocker21:47
sdagueagreed21:47
sdagueand it's done in such a way that moving to d.o.o later is pretty easy, so not much work wasted.21:47
thorstalright.  It was my hope that given our approach we could try to get the more official docs.  But we'll continue to build out the docs here, merge it in to nova-powervm's git21:47
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thorstyeah, not wasted work at all.  Fully understand that.21:47
thorstjust want to find the best home for the work  :-)21:47
sdagueso, one other open discussion item - live migration testing21:48
mriedemgo for it21:48
dansmithI'm about to be needing some livemigration testing21:48
dansmithbecause I'm effing up the rpc all over21:48
tonybthorst: git it in the openstack.ibm.com domain :D21:48
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tonybs/git/get/21:48
sdaguetdurakov is building a multinode job dedicated to live migration testing the various configs21:48
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sdagueso it will actually start the services - run the live migration tests21:49
sdaguestop them, reconfigure a new backend, do it again21:49
dansmithoh my21:49
sdagueso we can do no shared storage, block backed, ceph, and nfs in the same job21:49
tonybsdague: how long will that take?21:49
mriedemand how easy it will be to tell which config failed?21:50
sdaguethis is *only* going to run live migration tests21:50
sdaguemriedem: pretty easy, it will do them serial with output21:50
sdagueso it shouldn't bee too bad21:50
sdagueanyway, it's an idea21:50
sdagueand it's progressing21:50
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sdaguebut it was worth a heads up21:50
mriedemok, there aren't that many live migration tests,21:51
mriedemand several skip based on config21:51
sdaguethat's what's going on with the nova/tests/live_migration dir21:51
mriedemexperimental queue right now too right21:51
sdagueyep21:51
dansmithoh,21:51
mriedemare cinder people helping with this?21:51
sdaguemriedem: not as of yet21:51
dansmithso wait, don't we have one live migration test running in the regular multinode job?21:51
sdaguetdurakov is driving21:52
sdaguedansmith: we do21:52
dansmithokay cool, thought so21:52
sdagueand that's fine21:52
dansmiththere are more in experimental? or no?21:52
dansmithsdague: I'm asking out of selfish need for my current set, is all21:52
dansmiththought there was at least one I could run21:52
sdaguebut having a dedicated job where we could expand and do some grey box poking made sense21:52
dansmithyes yes21:52
sdaguedansmith: this is in experimental21:52
sdagueit's still pretty raw21:52
mriedemis the current multi-node job stable?21:52
sdaguemriedem: no21:52
dansmithsdague: oh, already?21:52
sdaguedansmith: yes, but I don't know if it's working really yet21:53
mriedemdansmith: yeah, remember me harassing tdurakov yesterday21:53
sdaguehe's making good progress though21:53
dansmithokay21:53
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mriedemif the existing job is non-voting and failing, it's going to be hard to tell if dansmith's changes break it21:53
sdaguemriedem: having grenade multinode voting is going to keep some fundamental multinode stuff from backsliding21:53
dansmithmriedem: well, the fails for my patch set will be pretty specific21:54
sdaguemriedem: well, you can read the test results21:54
dansmithmriedem: just fail to ping at the end is not related to my stuff most likely21:54
mriedembooooring!21:54
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mriedemyeah i suppose21:54
mriedemok, anything else on this?21:54
sdaguethe current multinode needs some love, shelf is one of the trouble makers, I don't know the others21:54
sdaguenope21:54
mriedemshelve huh21:54
dansmithshelve21:54
mriedemseems we were just taling about that21:54
mriedem*talking21:55
mriedemok, let's end 5 min EARLY21:55
mriedemta21:55
mriedem#endmeeting21:55
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dansmith5 minutes is not really early21:55
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rawlinBefore this meeting ends, I'm trying to bring some core attention to #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198054/ "Disable IPv6 on bridge devices". It currently has three +1s and has been in review for quite some time now (PS1 was on July 2, 2015). The functional change is 7 lines and fixes a potential security risk.21:55
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haleybrawlin: +1 to that as the neutron one for linuxbridge merged yesterday21:56
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