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| * SotK will run it anyway to give an update of where he is up to :) | 15:03 | |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 15:03:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:03 |
| SotK | I don't know of anything to announce, and the only urgent thing is the usual "we have a mountain of outstanding patches for review" | 15:04 |
| SotK | some of these actually fix bugs | 15:04 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:04 |
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| SotK | #info SotK is still looking at worklists and boards. | 15:06 |
| SotK | Sort of :) | 15:06 |
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| SotK | I've sent patches for allowing mutliple users to have access to boards/worklists with two levels of access (owner and "can rearrange contents") | 15:06 |
| SotK | I was working on the automatic worklists stuff, but got sidetracked when Zara discovered everyone desperately wants email notifications | 15:07 |
| SotK | #info SotK is working on email notifications | 15:07 |
| SotK | I resurrected the old backend patches for this, fixed them up and they are now waiting for review | 15:08 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/storyboard+branch:master+topic:email,n,z Emails patches | 15:08 |
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| SotK | I'm now working on a patch to add a way to change your email preferences to the profile page, and will then look at patching puppet-storyboard too | 15:09 |
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| SotK | I also fixed search, if that wasn't mentioned last meeting | 15:09 |
| SotK | That also still needs review though | 15:10 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236945/ Search fix | 15:10 |
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| SotK | I looked into a weird bug with accidental duplicate stories and story creation not redirecting that someone found too, but didn't manage to reproduce it | 15:11 |
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| SotK | I don't know of any other in-progress work | 15:12 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:14 |
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| SotK | Anyone lurking that wants to discuss anything? | 15:14 |
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| * SotK guesses not :) | 15:16 | |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 15:16:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-04-15.03.html | 15:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-04-15.03.txt | 15:16 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-04-15.03.log.html | 15:16 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 16:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Hey everyone. Hopefully folks are here despite the US time change. | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | Hi | 16:01 |
| pots1 | hi | 16:01 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
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| dulek | Hi! | 16:01 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:01 |
| dulek | Looks like this is going to be a short meeting. ;) | 16:01 |
| ntpttr | hi | 16:01 |
| kmartin | hello, see how many people forget due to day light savings | 16:01 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: That rarely seems to actually end up that way, but we can hope. ;) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | First of all, thanks to everyone for the great work at the summit. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | I felt it was productive. | 16:02 |
| sgundur | hi | 16:02 |
| * bswartz lurks | 16:02 | |
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| smcginnis | And a reminder for those that were not able to attend, we were able to stream and capture all design summit sessions on our new YouTube channel: | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ8Koy4gsISMy0qW3CWZmaQ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Big kudos to hemnafk for managing all of that. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I have a summary email mostly written up that I will hopefully be posting to the ML soon. | 16:03 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Also thank you for the live streams hemnafk :) | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | We're all famous now. :) | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Mitaka Deadlines | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078215.html | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Based on our discussion at the Summit I have sent out new deadlines for this release. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | Please take a look and let me know if you see any issue with this. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | It will hopefully simplify things somewhat. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks for the detailed description | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | So we have a little more time for new drivers. | 16:05 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I believe, it will help both us (cinder community) and vendors | 16:06 |
| kmartin | smcginnis, looks good | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Let's not be typical engineers and consume all that time because we have it though. ;) | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | There are several driver reviews out there right now. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | If you have the cycles, please try to provide feedback early. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/241174 Open vStorage | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/158745 Nexenta Edge | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/188877 Nexenta iSCSI and NFS | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/201500 Fujitsu | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/202440 Daewoo YeeSan | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/190273 NexentaStor 5 NFS | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/190391 NexentaStor 5 iSCSI | 16:06 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: are those drivers with CI? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/205365 Huawei FusionStorage | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Not all of them yet. Unfortunately. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | I have heard from a few of them that they are actively working on it. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | I'm being optimistic. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | anyway, early feedback will be useful | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | This would also be a good time for folks to take a look at some of the submitted specs. | 16:07 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: you have a note for client change, how much earlier do the server side needs to be merged before the client side | 16:08 |
| e0ne | I'll start review them tomorrow morning | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | It would be great to have feedback on those earlier as well so we don't have a crunch towards the end. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | xyang1: I didn't set a specific time. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: I think it depends on the change. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: I just wanted to point it out to make sure folks think about it. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | xyang1: IMO, we can't set strict rules for such things | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | We tend to focus on the server side and do the client change as an after thought in a lot of cases. | 16:09 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: sure, sometimes things won't be merged if there is no deadline, but I see your point:) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Yeah, I agree. I just didn't want to set another arbitrary deadline. | 16:09 |
| kmartin | review the ones with working CI first the others should probably be -1 or -2 until CI is up? | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | We'll see how it goes. | 16:09 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: sure | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: I agree on order. Not sure I want to -2 yet. Just cores - make sure you are checking before giving any +2's. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: But definitely if they have CI, we should give them priority. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | So driver reviews and spec reviews - I guess my main theme for today is: Go forth and review. :) | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #info Give new drivers with CI review priority | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #info Try to get early feedback on all driver and spec reviews | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | That's all I had. The floor is open. | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | When will the decision about the midcycle get made? | 16:13 |
| scottda | DuncanT: Do you have a link for the survey for the midcycle? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: DuncanT has agreed to send out another survey to help finalize the decision. | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | We have a few dates and locations in mind. | 16:13 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: are dates finalized? | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Based on the results of the survey we will try to lock it down soon. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | xyang1: Just general potential dates. | 16:14 |
| * bswartz is betting that a bunch of folks will turn up in 45 minutes and wonder where the cinder meeting is | 16:14 | |
| kmartin | I think a few dates were listed on the etherpad | 16:14 |
| delattec | smcginnis: would it be possible to get some eyes on https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1501855 from an operators standpoint this is going to hit anyone that has more than one volume type | 16:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1501855 in Cinder "cinder volume transfer does not update quotas for volume types" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Deepti Ramakrishna (dramakri) | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: DuncanT Awesome :) The sooner the better. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: I think we're still thinking 3rd or 4th week in Jan or first week in Feb. | 16:14 |
| scottda | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: :D | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | Survey will be out at the close of the meeting, just wanted to give folks a last chance to make/withdraw offers | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Thanks! | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | delattec: Will do. Thanks for raising it here. | 16:15 |
| bswartz | this week of january has a conflict with M-2 | 16:15 |
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| bswartz | s/this/third/ | 16:15 |
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| bswartz | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 16:15 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: Have you seen dhellmann's post on release notes on the ML? I need a RN to get my grenade patch solved, so I'll take care of ARs there for Cinder. :) | 16:16 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html - talking about this one. | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Yeah. Should be OK though. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | dulek: No, I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out. | 16:16 |
| dulek | An BTW - who's our release liaison actually? | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Me for now. | 16:17 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: you announced a bunch of deadlines on the ML happening that week (Jan 19-21) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: True. Might be better not to have it the week before so we aren't distracted as everyone tries to last minute cram their stuff in. | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Thanks for highlighting that. | 16:18 |
| bswartz | yeah I expect there to be a flurry of activity right before the deadline | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: if midcycle happens at the same week where we are supposed to do lots of reviews and merge stuff, it will have an impact | 16:18 |
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| scottda | Or could some midcycle time be better spend doing lots of reviews and merging stuff? | 16:19 |
| scottda | We could cut out some bikeshedding and rat-holing to make up for it. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: scottda: Yeah could do review day. ;) | 16:20 |
| bswartz | that's how we spent Friday at the summer meetup | 16:20 |
| Swanson | hi. Outlook can't handle timezones. | 16:20 |
| bswartz | Swanson: it can -- there is a button called "show timezones" | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Or we could all super pair program with jgriffith again. :D | 16:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | So I think we're fine with the proposed midcycle dates. | 16:21 |
| Swanson | bswartz, you say that but it doesn't actually work. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | The deadline I set is Jan 19. | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | And our dates are after that for the most part. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | So hopefully the crunch is behind us at that point. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | But maybe better not to do it that first week listed in the etherpad. | 16:22 |
| bswartz | Swanson: I've been using time zones in Outlook for 5 years and never had a problem -- maybe you're using a broken version | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Worked fine for me. | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: He has Outlook 2003 | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:22 |
| bswartz | !!! | 16:22 |
| openstack | bswartz: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | kidding | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | Don't upset the all seeing bot! | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else? | 16:23 |
| xyang1 | I remember thingee set up google hangout to review 2nd milestone targets after the meetup, but no one showed up | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | xyang1: I don't recall that. Guess that's why I didn't show up. :) | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: We could look at trying that again if needed. | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | xyang1: I'm liking the hangout meetings, especially now that we can live stream them. | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | people are usually busy with other things right after travel | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe a couple weeks out would work better. Let things settle. | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | Alright, think we can have some time back. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Any other topics come up, let's just discuss in channel. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:26 |
| bswartz | thanks | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
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| xyang1 | bye | 16:26 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 16:26:26 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-04-16.00.html | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-04-16.00.txt | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Bye! | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-04-16.00.log.html | 16:26 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic-qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 17:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | o/ | 17:01 |
| aarefiev22 | hi | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Welcome to the very first meeting :) I think turnout is likely to be low today as it only got added yesterday. | 17:02 |
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| aarefiev22 | :) | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | So I have been working on Grenade testing and trying to get it to work. | 17:03 |
| sambetts | Hey jlvillal | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | I have multiple patches in-flight to fix part of the issue | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | o/ sorry I'm late | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/241018 | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/241044 | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241393/ | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241426/ | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | Welcome :) | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1512544 | 17:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512544 in Ironic "Ironic grenade jobs are failing" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John L. Villalovos (happycamp) | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | So those various patches make it so that grenade will use the 'regex' of 'baremetal' to run the tempest tests. | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | This has fixed the first tempest run during the grenade job so that it passes. Then it fails after that | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | So some progress has been made. | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | good stuff jlvillal | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Any questions/comments before moving on? | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on :) | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #topic functional testing | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | aarefiev22, Would you like to give a status update on your work? | 17:07 |
| aarefiev22 | sure | 17:07 |
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| aarefiev22 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216701/ base patch for tests | 17:08 |
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| aarefiev22 | needs attention | 17:08 |
| aarefiev22 | I've made job non voting | 17:09 |
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| aarefiev22 | for functional tests | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | Is it passing yet? | 17:09 |
| aarefiev22 | yes it's passing | 17:10 |
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| aarefiev22 | also Sergii Turivnyi is working on test coverage | 17:10 |
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| aarefiev22 | he has series of patches | 17:10 |
| aarefiev22 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238577/ | 17:10 |
| aarefiev22 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239506/ | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | #info Patch to for functional testing in python-ironicclient is working. | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216701/ | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | #undo | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | #info Patch for functional testing in python-ironicclient is working. | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216701/ | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | I'm looking at patches... | 17:12 |
| aarefiev22 | few of them already have +2 | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | #info Additional functional tests are being proposed for python-ironicclient | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238577/ | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239506/ | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | aarefiev22, Thanks for the update! | 17:13 |
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| aarefiev22 | jlvillal: np | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | #info jlvillal has started a very early patch for ironic functional testing. Comments requested | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/235612 | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | #info Basic idea is to be able to start ironic-api, ironic-conductor, and rabbitmq. | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | So I think those three services should be all that is needed to do functional testing for Ironic. | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | I would love to get some comments feedback on it. | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | At the moment I have shifted focus to Grenade as jroll requested that I make it the highest priority. | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | Anything else regarding functional testing? | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | Moving on then... | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd party CI | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | Does anyone have anything to discuss for 3rd party CI? | 17:16 |
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| krtaylor | I have a draft for the third party ci spec | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Link? | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241294/ | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | #info krtaylor has a draft for a 3rd party CI spec | 17:17 |
| * jroll apologizes for being late | 17:17 | |
| jlvillal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241294/ | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | I need to discuss milestones and content | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | as well as repos for moved/demoted drivers | 17:17 |
| jroll | I tagged thingee on that review, btw, he's going to help with a lot of the comms etc | 17:17 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, thanks, he will be abig help | 17:18 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor, So still need to add some more content to the spec? But I assume would appreciate comments/reviews for what you have. | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | once the milestones are decided, then we need to start email thread | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | I need content - team input | 17:19 |
| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, I'm supposed to touch base with him this week on the comms | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor, What are your next steps? | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | need to get team decision on milestones | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Are you blocked? | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | then we can communicate | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | jroll, Is that an email discussion? Meeting discussion? | 17:19 |
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| jroll | I think what we agreed on at the summit was ability to post comments by end of M, running on all patches by end of N | 17:20 |
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| jroll | and thingee and I had a goal of making initial contact this week | 17:20 |
| jroll | and follow up with direct email, phone calls, if required | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | jroll, comments by end of M will be hard for teams | 17:20 |
| jroll | krtaylor: the ability to post comments, not commenting on every patch | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | my experience with third party systems says that it takes months | 17:21 |
| jroll | so, making the accounts, getting permissions right etc | 17:21 |
| jroll | not actually running jobs | 17:21 |
| jroll | does that make sense? | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | but posting a comment and receiving events requires IT involvement for a lot of big companies | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | that can take time | 17:22 |
| jroll | sure. they have something like 4 months. | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | I'm not saying its not doable, but we'll have to move fast | 17:22 |
| sambetts | my goal was to have an assertTrue(True) system by M | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | #info Agreed at the summit was to have the ability to post comments by end of Mitaka (permissions, accounts, etc), running on all patches by end of N_RELEASE | 17:22 |
| jroll | sambetts++ | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | #chair jroll | 17:22 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jlvillal jroll | 17:22 |
| jroll | krtaylor: right, which is why we're communicating this week | 17:22 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, ok, thats the info I needed | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | I'll get it documented and we can email | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | broad first, but we'll have to identify individual contacts per driver | 17:23 |
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| * jroll comments to this effect on the spec | 17:23 | |
| jroll | yep | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | perfect, thanks! | 17:23 |
| jroll | we have that somewhere in a treasure chest in an attic somewhere :) | 17:23 |
| jroll | thank you! | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | so, on the repo - any thoughts? | 17:24 |
| jlvillal | Who is going to send email? krtaylor? | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | should we have a ironic/attic | 17:24 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: thingee or myself will be handling the comms | 17:24 |
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| krtaylor | I'd vote jroll | 17:25 |
| jroll | krtaylor: so I think for community maintained drivers that don't get CI (things like AMT, ipmitool), we should have an openstack repo for those | 17:25 |
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| jlvillal | #action jroll or thingee to email expectations for 3rd party CI to list | 17:25 |
| jroll | for vendor drivers, we'll leave it up to them | 17:25 |
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| jroll | but they won't be under the ironic umbrella | 17:25 |
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| sambetts | jroll: what happens to vendor drivers that dont have a point of contact? do they simply get deleted completely or moved into an attic location? | 17:26 |
| jroll | sambetts: I believe we have some sort of contact for all drivers, but good question | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | that was my concern | 17:26 |
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| jlvillal | Maybe we can come up with a policy and document it. | 17:27 |
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| jroll | it would take non-zero effort to move them | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | as long as we send lots of email, and announce at every meeting, etc | 17:27 |
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| jroll | example of driver this will likely happen to: seamicro. they don't have funding to work on it any more | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | But not sure if that is a QA/testing topic. Seems different scope. | 17:27 |
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| jroll | yeah, we can revisit that elsewhere | 17:28 |
| jlvillal | Seems like a main Ironic meeting topic. | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | copy me then please | 17:28 |
| jlvillal | Or an email list topic. | 17:28 |
| jlvillal | Anything else regarding 3rd party CI? | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | I'd say we keep it together | 17:28 |
| jroll | yeah, it'll be dev list or ironic meeting | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | else we can only discuss process here and policy in main meeting | 17:29 |
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| sambetts | I was thinking should we setup a etherpad and have a ironic subteam like status reporting system for the thirdparty CIs? | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | we can complete a recommendation here and take to main meeting | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | we have an etherpad | 17:29 |
| * krtaylor looking | 17:29 | |
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| jlvillal | #action sambetts to setup an etherpad and have ironic subteam like status reporting system for the thirdparty CIs. Or find existing etherpad | 17:30 |
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| jlvillal | :) | 17:30 |
| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, I'm fine with talking about it here at a later time, I'd like to think about it and talk with some other folks | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-ironic-test-qa | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | but it is focused on mitaka summt prep | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | I personally would vote for removing drivers that there is nobody maintaining. | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | a general qa subteam etherpad would be good | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | I think make the etherpad non-release specific | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | agreed, sambetts proceed | 17:32 |
| sambetts | :) will do | 17:32 |
| jlvillal | Anything else in 3rd party CI? | 17:32 |
| jlvillal | Okay, moving on | 17:32 |
| krtaylor | that should do it for now | 17:32 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Opens | 17:32 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone have opens? | 17:32 |
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| jlvillal | Going once... | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | twice... | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | three times... | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | Okay looks like we are done :) | 17:33 |
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| krtaylor | jlvillal, you have to let us latency/slow typing people catch up :) | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | Thanks for attending the kick-off meeting | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor, Oh did you have something? | 17:34 |
| jlvillal | waits..... | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | no, I'm good :) thanks! | 17:34 |
| jroll | ya, let open discussioni sit for a few minutes usually | 17:34 |
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| * jlvillal is too impatient :) | 17:34 | |
| sambetts | thanks jlvillal :D | 17:34 |
| jroll | I'm all set though, thanks for hosting jlvillal | 17:34 |
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| jlvillal | Okay. Thanks all. | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | yes, thanks jlvillal ! | 17:34 |
| jlvillal | I'm going to end it :) | 17:35 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 17:35:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-11-04-17.00.html | 17:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-11-04-17.00.txt | 17:35 |
| aarefiev22 | thanks | 17:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-11-04-17.00.log.html | 17:35 |
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| timothyb89 | glauco__: re: the discussion from earlier, I think you're right, and some duplication is probably fine | 18:41 |
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| timothyb89 | glauco__: definitely worth it to get good visual integration with status overall | 18:42 |
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| timothyb89 | well, this certainly isn't the right channel, d'oh | 18:44 |
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| shardy | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 20:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shardy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| shardy | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| jdob | o/ | 20:00 |
| shardy | Hi all | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| jdandrea | o/ | 20:00 |
| ryansb | good aftermorningnoonnight | 20:00 |
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| shardy | skraynev is out today IIRC so I offered to chair today | 20:00 |
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| shardy | Ok, let's get started | 20:01 |
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| shardy | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
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| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
| shardy | Anyone have anything to add? | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | short agenda :) | 20:02 |
| jdandrea | heh | 20:03 |
| shardy | haha | 20:03 |
| jdandrea | jetlag stories? | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | slept like a baby on the plane | 20:03 |
| jdandrea | +1 | 20:03 |
| shardy | #topic review priorities | 20:04 |
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| shardy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | that etherpad hasn't been updated in an age | 20:04 |
| shardy | I thought it'd be worth reviewing that, particularly post-summit so we can ensure we can focus on general topics | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | when we hit RC I switched to using launchpad instead | 20:04 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, I wasn't aware of that | 20:05 |
| shardy | is it worth reviving it? | 20:05 |
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| shardy | personally I find the wall of reviews fairly daunting, having general priorities is quite useful | 20:05 |
| shardy | if others don't we can skip to open discussion :) | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | that could be up to Sergey, or whoever wants to own curating that list | 20:05 |
| randallburt | doh. stupid DST | 20:05 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, I'll defer that for skraynev to decide | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | there we go, its a blank slate now | 20:06 |
| shardy | #info skraynev can decide if we track review priorities via etherpad for mitaka | 20:06 |
| jdob | for what it's worth, i like the idea of being able to highlight pressing things, like milestone aligned stuff | 20:06 |
| jdob | agree on the daunting wall | 20:06 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Ok, thanks, lets defer populating it until next week | 20:07 |
| shardy | #topic open discussion | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | +1 | 20:07 |
| shardy | anything to raise, or is this going to be a short meeting? | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | anybody not at summit want a summary on a particular topic? | 20:08 |
| jdob | anyone planning on emailing any summary of summit? | 20:08 |
| shardy | jdob: I was considering a blog post or something, but any email summary should probably come from the PTL | 20:09 |
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| jdob | makes sense | 20:09 |
| shardy | action skraynev all-the-things ;) | 20:09 |
| randallburt | in the meantime, the eitherpads for the sessions should have some notes on them | 20:09 |
| shardy | randallburt: good point! :) | 20:09 |
| jdob | good call, and I already followed up with specific people about things I was interested in | 20:09 |
| shardy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Design_Summit/Mitaka/Etherpads#Heat | 20:10 |
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| shardy | A heads up, there was a regression which broke the gate today, ramishra found/fixed it | 20:12 |
| shardy | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1512937 | 20:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1512937 in neutron "CREATE_FAILED status due to 'Resource CREATE failed: NotFound: resources.pool: No eligible backend for pool" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 20:12 |
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| jdandrea | Thanks ramishra! | 20:13 |
| shardy | We can probably un-skip the test now, but it'd be good to ensure there's no other breakage anticipated | 20:13 |
| shardy | Another thing is I posted a patch aiming to fix bug #1508115 | 20:14 |
| openstack | bug 1508115 in heat "StackResource updates can destroy more than is needed" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1508115 - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 20:14 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238194/ | 20:14 |
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| shardy | zaneb already provided some good feedback, but I'd welcome additional eyes, as it's changing the way we do updates to nested stacks (and TemplateResource in particular) | 20:15 |
| shardy | anyone else have anything to highlight? | 20:15 |
| zaneb | shardy: actually, I was thinking more about that one | 20:15 |
| zaneb | it's wrong to treat TemplateResource as a special case | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | we should always replace because the resource type resolves to a different *class*, never just because the resource type is different | 20:16 |
| shardy | zaneb: Interesting, so in-place updates to the same class or any subclass are valid? | 20:17 |
| zaneb | not subclass | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | but say you have an OS::Nova::Server | 20:17 |
| zaneb | and you want to change it to some custom type and map it to OS::Nova::Server in the environment | 20:18 |
| zaneb | that's legit | 20:18 |
| shardy | zaneb: I was looking at the _needs_update part, and you can't determine the actual class from the resource definition on update, because you don't have the environment of the new stack, only the old one | 20:18 |
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| shardy | we can fix that by passing more info into needs_update potentially | 20:18 |
| zaneb | shardy: ok, so maybe that's not the right place to do it after all | 20:18 |
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| zaneb | that leaves an open question of how to do it for convergence :/ | 20:19 |
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| shardy | zaneb: actually that OS::Nova::Server example is a good one, I should probably add a functional test where we override a built-in resource with a nested stack returning OS::stack_id | 20:19 |
| zaneb | I'll add another comment to the review, we can move on | 20:20 |
| shardy | (probably not a server, but an actual resource not only TemplateResource) | 20:20 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Ok, thanks | 20:20 |
| shardy | anything else anyone? | 20:20 |
| shardy | Ok then, short meeting ;) | 20:22 |
| ryansb | *cricket sounds* | 20:22 |
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| shardy | thanks all | 20:22 |
| jdob | \o | 20:22 |
| ryansb | \o | 20:22 |
| shardy | #endmeeting | 20:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 20:22:17 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-04-20.00.html | 20:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-04-20.00.txt | 20:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-04-20.00.log.html | 20:22 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 4 21:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
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| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| wbhuber_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
| gmmaha | o/ | 21:00 |
| ho | o/ | 21:01 |
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| peterlisak | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome | 21:01 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | ok, first thing. somethign that just came up about 8 minutes ago :-)_ | 21:02 |
| acoles | hi | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | some of you may have heard of globo.com before. they're a pretty Big Deal in Latin America. based in Brazil, they're kinda like a yahoo type site for latic america | 21:03 |
| notmyname | they've used swift for a while, and some of their ops have been in the -swift channel asking questions | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | first off, I was told to tell everyone thanks for that. | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | they're grateful for the help | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | and just yesterday they launched a new service (globo-play) which is like netflix for brazil. some of the static assets are stored in swift, and their video team is looking at putting the videos in swift too | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | I thought that was pretty cool :-) | 21:04 |
| wbhuber | +1 | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | oh, and globo-play is already the #1 downloaded app in the brazilian app store | 21:05 |
| notmyname | yay! everyone using swift every day, even if they don't know it :-) | 21:06 |
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| jrichli | yay swift :-) | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | cool! | 21:06 |
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| cschwede | nice! did they share any numbers (size)? always curious about that :) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | cschwede: I don't know. ask NM if you see him in channel. not sure what he can share | 21:06 |
| cschwede | k | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | ok, so moving on to the actual topics for the meeting... :-) | 21:07 |
| minwoob_ | Awesome user story | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I want to start with the py3 info, just because of the time zones haypo and cschwede are in. it's late for them | 21:07 |
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| tdasilva | http://globoplay.globo.com/ nice, now you can all watch a whole lot of brazilian soap operas | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #topic py3 status info | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: lol | 21:08 |
| notmyname | last week several people met together to talk about py3, and haypo wrote it up on the ML | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/078058.html | 21:08 |
| notmyname | haypo: cschwede: anything you'd like to add or comment on about this py3 plan? | 21:08 |
| clayg | ohia | 21:08 |
| cschwede | notmyname: i think there is an upcoming new pyeclib release that no longer requires the workaround in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199034/? | 21:09 |
| cschwede | i heard rumors about that ;) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | cschwede: correct! | 21:09 |
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| haypo | cschwede: there is a review to bump PyEClib to 1.1 | 21:09 |
| notmyname | should have landed before the summit, but it didn't | 21:09 |
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| haypo | but i don't understand how libjerasure & gf-complete will be installed | 21:10 |
| notmyname | yeah, we'll get 1.1.x and won't have to deal with the sed-ness in tox.ini | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | haypo: they won't, by default | 21:10 |
| haypo | notmyname: is it an issue to run the check jobs on gates? | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | haypo: no. liberasurecode has it's own simple EC scheme so it can do stuff with no dependencies. that's one of the reasons to bump the version | 21:11 |
| cutforth | hello, sorry i'm late | 21:11 |
| haypo | oh ok | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | on the py3 topic, in general, I think the plan is workable, but I think the reality is that it looks like a long road to go down. we'll end up with a constant set of "port to py3" patches | 21:12 |
| notmyname | but the most important part is a voting gate job | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | ie nothing else really matters without that | 21:12 |
| cschwede | but it should be more easy once we have voting patches, avoiding regressions | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | right. "easy" | 21:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: do you mean a voting job that tests everything - or the green py3 dot that means "doesn't work on py3" | 21:12 |
| haypo | notmyname: i don't care if it takes a long time to port swift, it's up to reviewers ;) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: the green dot that means "some part does work on py3, but not everything" | 21:13 |
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| cschwede | clayg: a voting job that tests the parts that have been migrated to be py3-usable | 21:13 |
| zaitcev | There's no alternative to a constant stream of "fix in py3" patches. The important part is to ratched new tests up constantly somehow. | 21:13 |
| notmyname | haypo: that's not entirely fair. you've told us a big port won't work and haven't given us an idea of the scope. so it's really hard to assume anything other than "it will take a long time" | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: right | 21:14 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: it's not true to say there "is no alternative" - if we had a patch that fixes all the py3 - even if it conflicted frequently it'd be easy to show up on a wednesday and say "that's it i'm done - go +A" | 21:14 |
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| zaitcev | clayg: really? how did you fix rfc822 in it? | 21:15 |
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| haypo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238771/ Bump PyECLib version to 1.1.0 | 21:15 |
| notmyname | clayg: except that the py3 patch author (haypo) has said that he won't be able to do that | 21:15 |
| clayg | notmyname: i know | 21:15 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: so you're saying all of this is for naught? You can't acctually have a py3 swift because of pyeclib and other depends? | 21:16 |
| haypo | notmyname: sorry, i have no idea of how much code requires to be modified to support py3 | 21:16 |
| clayg | rfc822 referring to the MIME message doc backport thingy? | 21:16 |
| zaitcev | clayg: oh, wait, n/m. I think you said that you actually had that patch already, not "if we had a patch", sorry. | 21:16 |
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| haypo | notmyname: for some projects, it took 3 or 4 months, for some projects it will take 1 year or more (like nova) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | IMO I'm fine with the plan as it stands, but I do with there were a way to have a faster port. ie something other than a new patch every week for a year with no real known end date | 21:17 |
| clayg | zaitcev: oh right - totally hypothetical - I'm just saying we're on a path - and the that's fine - but it's hardly an enevitibility that this is the way | 21:17 |
| haypo | notmyname: what i see is that i already proposed py3 patches for swift, and it always take 1 month at least to get reviewed. that's why i expect that the port will take 6 months or much more | 21:17 |
| clayg | ok, so that was fun | 21:17 |
| notmyname | "I'm fine with..." == it's somethign I can live with and it sets expectations | 21:17 |
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| haypo | notmyname: the problem is that we need first to have a voting py3 job | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I agree with that | 21:18 |
| haypo | (sorry, i'm in the middle of another meeting, it's hard to follow) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | and getting the pyeclib version bumped is probably the next step | 21:18 |
| clayg | right - how do you break off fast-POST, encrytpion, container-sync, etc to give py3 reveiew bandwidth?! | 21:18 |
| clayg | torgomatic: says he can do py3 reviews on the train | 21:19 |
| clayg | maybe I can make a filter to find +2'd py3 changes and +A them | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | Since I'm not doing much of any technical work on Swift anymore, I tried to focus on haypo's patches recently... by being a stick in the mud most of the time. Like, I hate if six.PY3: thing and always try to challenge it. | 21:19 |
| clayg | (then spend the next hour rebasing all of my changes) | 21:19 |
| haypo | notmyname: for pyeclib, it took 3 months to get my py3 merged into pyeclib. pyeclib 1.0.8 was released with my fix but it's not used yet in swift | 21:19 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: thanks! | 21:19 |
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| haypo | notmyname: and it looks like it will still take a few weeks to get pyeclib >= 1.0.8 | 21:20 |
| haypo | it's annoying to have to wait so long :-/ | 21:20 |
| notmyname | haypo: leave pyeclib out of it for now. that's going to be resolved within a week, I hope | 21:20 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: yawn - there's tons of ugly code in swift that is probably masking bugs - a few if PY3 branches won't kill us | 21:20 |
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| clayg | well tons is probably a strong word | 21:20 |
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| haypo | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238771/ the change on requirements for pyeclib is not merged yet :-/ | 21:20 |
| clayg | even if it was only 1/2% by line count I'd call it "way more than I would like" | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | I think it's safe to say that nobody is particularly happy with the speed of the py3 work | 21:21 |
| clayg | haypo: is the new pyeclib released?! | 21:21 |
| haypo | notmyname: hehe | 21:21 |
| haypo | clayg: tuskar wants to use pyeclib 1.1 which was released at least 2 weeks ago | 21:21 |
| acoles | patch 238771 has a -1 from kota | 21:21 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238771/ - Bump PyECLib version to 1.1.0 | 21:21 |
| notmyname | but the point is that we seem to have as close as possible agreement on something which might actually end with py3 support. even if nobody is particularly happy with that plan either | 21:21 |
| haypo | clayg: the first step is to upgrade it in global requirements | 21:21 |
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| zaitcev | clayg: never say "new pyeclib". say "pyeclib-1.1.x" or something. This log will be archived you know :-) | 21:22 |
| clayg | well then what do you want me to do? it's not useful to say "this patch is a month old" if it's not ready to merge | 21:22 |
| haypo | notmyname: i don't really understand why we are not making progress. IMHO the sed hack is an acceptable compromise to unblock the situation | 21:22 |
| haypo | notmyname: always having to wait for other changes (like pyeclib) doesn't help | 21:22 |
| clayg | haypo: I think the sed hack looks stupid and don't see the value of hacking around it instead of ust waiting | 21:22 |
| clayg | haypo: but I'm *trying* to stay out of it | 21:23 |
| notmyname | nope. nobody likes the sed hack and there is a plan in progress (delayed by the summit) for updating pyeclib | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | but I want to move on instead of spending 30 minutes in this meeting going over all this again | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | sounds good! | 21:23 |
| kota_ | acoles: pyeclib 1.1.0 seems to have an issue for upgrading, so my -1 for safety | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | we have a py3 plan. it's in the link above. the first part is getting a passing test job (and yes I'm working on pyeclib updates to unblock that) | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | we already have a plan, everybody knows it, let's move on | 21:24 |
| acoles | kota_: right! just pointing out why it has not merged | 21:24 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: :-) | 21:24 |
| clayg | kota_: if the gate is happy with it it's probably fine - anyone running master can probably figure it out | 21:24 |
| notmyname | acoles: kota_: and I'm in the same boat on that | 21:24 |
| clayg | (or hack the requirements and be done with it) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | #topic summit recap | 21:25 |
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| clayg | thanks everyone for looking at those patches! | 21:25 |
| notmyname | I want to ask a few questions about the summit. please let me know what you thought | 21:25 |
| notmyname | 1) what did you like? | 21:25 |
| zaitcev | I'll make sure Fedora has a pyeclib-1.1.x | 21:25 |
| jrichli | I liked the number of fishbowls to working sessions | 21:26 |
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| acoles | +1 | 21:26 |
| notmyname | jrichli: ie lots of working sessions, few fishbowls? | 21:26 |
| jrichli | yes | 21:26 |
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| blmartin | friday's free for all talks were great but it was hard to hear everyone in that room | 21:26 |
| cschwede | more swift talks, as peluse counted. that’s great! | 21:26 |
| notmyname | if I did it again, I'd probably put the crypto stuff in a fishbowl because of how crowded the room was | 21:26 |
| clayg | we had lots of extra space in the fishbowls - I think a number of people in our working sessions were not around for the fishbowls | 21:26 |
| zaitcev | yeah, I completely fell out of Friday in the end | 21:26 |
| jrichli | having displays in the working sessions was nice (as compared to the previous summit) | 21:27 |
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| zaitcev | Haidi is super loud. Not to knock him, it's just the kind of voice he has. | 21:27 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:27 |
| clayg | I think there's a disconnect between the size of the room and format of the topics that isn't really captured in "fishbowl vs. working-session" | 21:27 |
| notmyname | hrou: not sure if I should add that as +1 or -1 ;-) | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | clayg: agreed | 21:28 |
| clayg | i may be getting our working sessions and Friday mixed up | 21:28 |
| clayg | We needed more room to "break off" on Friday | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok, what did you not like? | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | 4 days | 21:28 |
| jrichli | rooms were too small for the number of people interested in swift | 21:28 |
| clayg | we were spilling into the hall, and carrying whiteboards around the crowded table | 21:29 |
| jrichli | (working sessions) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:29 |
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| clayg | I wonder if you could run a Friday in something more like the lunchroom? | 21:29 |
| zaitcev | my main note from Summit was put fast-post is on my bucket list | 21:29 |
| clayg | FUCK YEAH FAST POST! | 21:29 |
| acoles | zaitcev: yay! | 21:29 |
| notmyname | clayg: in paris? vancouver? we had a big room shared with cinder and we all thought the other project was being too loud | 21:30 |
| blmartin | the next summit shirt should say swift: now with fast post | 21:30 |
| notmyname | blmartin: now it works like you always assumed it did | 21:30 |
| clayg | sorry container-sync, ec follow on, encyrption, etc - fast-POST first | 21:30 |
| acoles | notmyname: no, they thought WE were too loud! | 21:30 |
| blmartin | haha | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | acoles: right. they though we were loud. we thought they were loud | 21:30 |
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| acoles | hehe | 21:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah that's what I'm thinking of! I liked that big room - i forgot it was shared - I donn't remember it being a problem - but I do remmeber running into a corner with a crowd to hit specific topics working well | 21:31 |
| notmyname | what did you think of the scheduling? we tried the "blocks of time" approach instead of the "40 minutes for a topic" approach | 21:31 |
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| clayg | notmyname: SO MUCH BETTER | 21:31 |
| notmyname | should we try that again next time? | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:31 |
| clayg | notmyname: I heard some other projects were doing the same thing | 21:31 |
| torgomatic | worked pretty well for me | 21:31 |
| acoles | +! | 21:31 |
| jrichli | +1 for topic blocks | 21:31 |
| acoles | +1 even | 21:31 |
| zaitcev | no, clay, we need to you to balance redbo on python side; I have no clue what that "posrep" thing does better than ssync | 21:31 |
| blmartin | blocks seemed great to me | 21:31 |
| clayg | I thought we were being so clever | 21:31 |
| notmyname | great, I'm glad that worked well. I was happy with it too | 21:32 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | if we're clever, it probably means we could fit more stuff in too. | 21:32 |
| notmyname | anyone else notice that we seem to be gradually turing the summit into one of our hackathons? | 21:32 |
| acoles | did we work through all our breaks? :) | 21:32 |
| zaitcev | I think bunching client topics together was good, at least we can have e.g. Tim and Zack schedule easier next time etc. | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: yeah, great, isn't it? | 21:32 |
| clayg | notmyname: yes and I'm sure there's a downside hiding in there | 21:33 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: right. next time is to actually get tim and joel in the room! ;-) | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yeah. too much inward focus and we miss out on some cross-project stuff and hallway stuff | 21:33 |
| hrou | notmyname, I was giving a summary about the summit and that was my one bigger comment; felt a lot like the hackathon ; ) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | hrou: was that good or bad? | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | ok, so was it a productive week overall? if not, what was missing? | 21:34 |
| clayg | it was good | 21:34 |
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| hrou | zaitcev, I'll take that as a +1 ; ) (but yea, you're right, and I get that a lot, and need to keep that in mind) | 21:34 |
| zaitcev | bunching of "swift immense topics" together was kinda challenging for a stupid guy like me; I basically tuned out Matthew and sharding because they came last | 21:34 |
| hrou | notmyname, oh I didn't mind at all, I thought it was neat actually and effective. | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: yeah, I think everyone feels that after 8 hours of discussions | 21:35 |
| clayg | notmyname: matt_____: acoles: I wonder if we haven't yet found the final form of dense topics at hack-a-thons | 21:35 |
| notmyname | someone proposed that we should have a 11am-1pm + 8pm-1am summit schedule ;-) | 21:35 |
| notmyname | clayg: oh, I'm pretty sure we haven't yet | 21:35 |
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| minwoob_ | notmyname: Overall, it was a productive summit. Especially for container sharding, I feel that we made some good architectural progress. | 21:35 |
| notmyname | great | 21:36 |
| clayg | I felt like I was able to dissmeninate good info about the ring stuff - but my progress came on Saturday coding - not during the "working" session | 21:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: i think we did more "intro to a topic" than at a hackathon e.g. clayg ring talk. but maybe others feel they needed more of an on-ramp to some topics. | 21:36 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:36 |
| notmyname | what do you wish for the next summit? | 21:36 |
| acoles | not to talk about fast-post ;) | 21:36 |
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| clayg | lol | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | lol | 21:37 |
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| kota_ | lol | 21:37 |
| notmyname | #agreed merge fast-POST before the next summit | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:37 |
| acoles | seriously, more chairs in the room. | 21:37 |
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| clayg | what room? | 21:37 |
| clayg | less chairs in the room | 21:37 |
| clayg | more whiteboards | 21:37 |
| clayg | are we talking about Friday or Thursday | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | wed/thurs | 21:37 |
| zaitcev | I dunno, if I didn't hear you explain it, I would never get why 1 timestamp causes irreconcileable difference between nodes. The spec is impregnable sadly. So maybe it needs talkig about until it's in. | 21:37 |
| acoles | Weds/Thursday - I don't like seeing people having to sit on floor | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | acoles: yeah, I agree there | 21:38 |
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| jrichli | larger tables would be nice too - to use laptop | 21:38 |
| acoles | Friday I would say get rid of all furniture except whiteboards | 21:38 |
| clayg | acoles: yeah - i think that's an artifact of the "working session" - we had a bunch of people show up for encyrption that don't show up for swift generally - it should have been a fishbowl | 21:38 |
| jrichli | friday was a little chaotic, but I dont really have any good suggestions. it shouldn't be formal, either. | 21:38 |
| clayg | acoles: heh - maybe | 21:38 |
| acoles | clayg: yep | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | thanks for all the feedback. anything else to add about the summit before we move on? | 21:39 |
| blmartin | schedule the meetings so we can get food before its all gone D: | 21:39 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:39 |
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| tdasilva | overall I was just glad to see so many people interested in swift...don't think people were expecting to have so many folks, so that's why it felt so cramped in there??? | 21:40 |
| zaitcev | I think this was about as good as they come and tweaking it may ruin next summit. However, I remember that at hackathon at SwiftStack offices it was quite useful to do breakouts into separate rooms where participants could really focus, in case topic was challenging. | 21:40 |
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| zaitcev | This may be not feasible in Summit venue, but if we can get it, it would be super, IMHO. | 21:40 |
| tdasilva | and thanks to kota_ for being a great host!!! | 21:40 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: no, swiftstack will not host the summit at our office | 21:40 |
| notmyname | yes! kota_ did a great job! thanks! | 21:41 |
| kota_ | :-) | 21:41 |
| clayg | kota_: !!++!! | 21:41 |
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| hrou | Yea kota_ it was really awesome thanks so much ! | 21:41 |
| minwoob_ | +1 | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | #topic swift-init return codes | 21:42 |
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| kota_ | i can write a report "Swifters were sufficient" | 21:42 |
| notmyname | patch 230352 | 21:42 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230352/ - swift-init return codes | 21:42 |
| notmyname | clayg: you want to run this discussion? | 21:42 |
| clayg | yeah so there's things legacy beahvior that's stupid | 21:43 |
| clayg | i tried to change it once and redbo made me put it back | 21:43 |
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| clayg | and now distro's are complaining | 21:43 |
| clayg | we could fix it - and maybe redbo less happy - maybe you too if you have a script that's effected (I checked I don't) | 21:43 |
| clayg | or we could work around it - and live with the cruft | 21:43 |
| clayg | normally we just live with the cruft - but meh | 21:44 |
| clayg | any opinions? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | swift-init all start will start everything that has a config | 21:44 |
| notmyname | the proposal is to make that fail with an exit code if a config for a referenced server isn't found | 21:44 |
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| clayg | well "referenced" is maybe a strong word | 21:44 |
| zaitcev | RDO and Fedora prohibit swift-init anyway, so from my perspective you can tweak it as much as you want | 21:44 |
| notmyname | the question is if we need the first one or if we can move to the 2nd (which is what distros want, it seems) | 21:44 |
| zaitcev | just as long as you don't make it completely brain dead | 21:45 |
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| clayg | I think rax does "swift-init all start" on object nodes and may still expect non-zero exit even if they only have /etc/hummingbird | 21:45 |
| clayg | er.. still expect successful exit | 21:45 |
| clayg | who knows | 21:45 |
| notmyname | ...and no RAX dev is here | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | I think the interesting doc reference in the reviews is about the LSB standards | 21:46 |
| zaitcev | (we tell users to avoid swift-init because launching with it inherits wrong SElinux context) | 21:46 |
| cschwede | well, maybe added the RAX devs simply to the review? | 21:46 |
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| clayg | I think some daemons (like container-sync) are optional - it's possible swift-init all start would exit non-zero if you don't have a [container-sync] config section | 21:46 |
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| cschwede | asking them on their opinion? | 21:46 |
| cschwede | s/added/add/ | 21:46 |
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| clayg | cschwede: the idea was we could get that opinion in this meeting | 21:47 |
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| clayg | where the fuck is dfg redbo hurricanerick or nadeem or alan or btorch ;a;sdlkfj;laksdjf | 21:47 |
| clayg | er... alex sorry | 21:47 |
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| clayg | oh well - i tried - I'll put my opinion on it (whenever I decide what that is) and we'll go from there | 21:47 |
| clayg | I'll probably just say live with the cruft | 21:48 |
| clayg | to easy to punt the pain on future me | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | FWIW, I think making it more inline with other init scripts to error on config not found is reasonable | 21:48 |
| notmyname | acoles: does helion use swift-init? | 21:48 |
| acoles | notmyname: clayg i need to speak to people here to know for sure if we care either way | 21:48 |
| clayg | tdasilva: what about swift-on-file doesn't it like not run the auditor or something? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:49 |
| acoles | added myself to review | 21:49 |
| zaitcev | that's main vs. rest isn't it | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | zaitcev: all main and rest are the aliases that are there | 21:49 |
| acoles | notmyname: off top of my head i don't recall if we use it | 21:49 |
| clayg | you know maybe we could fix it so that if you *don't* use an alias then --strict is implied | 21:50 |
| clayg | so swift-init all start will make all configured services start | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | clayg: I need to double check our product docs, but I think we tell users to use 'service start' | 21:50 |
| clayg | but swift-init object start will error if you don't have a config | 21:50 |
| clayg | ^ which I think would achive the goal of the author | 21:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: that also seems reasonable | 21:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: do you want to move forward with that? | 21:51 |
| clayg | ok, so "do both" - should have thought of that before hand | 21:51 |
| peterlisak | clayg, yep that's the goal | 21:51 |
| clayg | peterlisak: ! | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | great. go forth and "do both" | 21:51 |
| clayg | peterlisak: yeah so let's do that maybe - seems like a good way to punt on concensus | 21:51 |
| notmyname | last topic | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | #topic keymaster name | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: you ran into the hard problem of naming | 21:51 |
| clayg | I'm *pretty* sure no one was epecting swift-init proxy start to exit zero when it didn't start the proxy | 21:51 |
| acoles | jrichli: keymaster | 21:52 |
| clayg | stupid naming things - this is why we have replicanths | 21:52 |
| notmyname | jrichli: keymaster | 21:52 |
| jrichli | yes. we are planning on having a "less trivial" keymaster now | 21:52 |
| clayg | jrichli: keymaster | 21:52 |
| clayg | ^ why are we doing that? | 21:52 |
| jrichli | hello .. | 21:52 |
| jrichli | :-) | 21:52 |
| clayg | oh naming the keymaster | 21:52 |
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| jrichli | so, what should this new "simple" keymaster be called? | 21:52 |
| notmyname | keymaster vs simple_keymaster vs keymaster_v1 vs ?? | 21:52 |
| clayg | Gozer | 21:53 |
| jrichli | just "keymaster"? | 21:53 |
| jrichli | :-p | 21:53 |
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| acoles | jrichli: the other names imply simplicity or future versions neither of which may turn out to be true | 21:53 |
| jrichli | mabye | 21:53 |
| notmyname | the point of the keymaster we talked about last week is to provide enough functionality for the operator-level feature (cluster has access to the key, probably in a config) | 21:53 |
| acoles | jrichli: and "keymaster" is less key strokes :) | 21:53 |
| jrichli | acoles: ah. gotcha | 21:53 |
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| blmartin | basic_keymaster decent_keymaster acceptable_keymaster | 21:53 |
| notmyname | so trivial_keymaster that isn't supposed to be used in prod (a la tempauth) isn't right | 21:53 |
| jlhinson | less_trivial_keymaster | 21:54 |
| clayg | Gozer | 21:54 |
| clayg | *the* keymaster | 21:54 |
| jrichli | i would go with Gozer ... why not | 21:54 |
| jrichli | well, gozer | 21:54 |
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| clayg | http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Vinz_Clortho | 21:55 |
| jrichli | then we can use the word "keymaster" to represent whichever one actually gets loaded | 21:55 |
| clayg | ^ this is me *not* being helpful | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | just "keymaster" | 21:55 |
| clayg | ^ this is notmyname being helpful | 21:55 |
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| jrichli | ok. but then there wont be a generic form | 21:56 |
| clayg | it's full name is swift.common.middleware.keymaster.KeyMaster - but we just call him the "key-man" for short | 21:56 |
| blmartin | keyapprentice | 21:56 |
| notmyname | jrichli: I'm not too worried about building extensibility for something not yet implemented into a name of something else not yet implemented fully | 21:56 |
| acoles | clayg: if you like vinz then go +A this https://review.openstack.org/183014 | 21:56 |
| jrichli | gotcha | 21:56 |
| clayg | acoles: nice | 21:57 |
| acoles | keymistress ? | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | point is, use keymaster and make future-me solve any future-problems that come up. for now, we need a keymaster, and "keymaster" makes more sense than "steve" or "bob" | 21:57 |
| hrou | + 1 to just keymaster ; ) | 21:57 |
| clayg | swift.common.middleware.keymaster.KeyMaster is a great name | 21:57 |
| jrichli | ok. agreed. | 21:57 |
| blmartin | honestly keymaster sounds great | 21:57 |
| notmyname | briancline: do you use swift-init in prod? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | great. agreed on "keymaster" then | 21:58 |
| notmyname | #agreed the keymaster should be called "keymaster" | 21:58 |
| acoles | lol | 21:58 |
| briancline | notmyname: yeah | 21:58 |
| clayg | ^ so much better than replicanth | 21:58 |
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| jrichli | lol | 21:58 |
| notmyname | briancline: clayg is goign to ask you a question about swift-init in the #openstack-swift channel | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | and peterlisak ^ | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming today | 21:59 |
| notmyname | it was great to see (most of) you last week! | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 4 22:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-11-04-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-11-04-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-11-04-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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