Thursday, 2015-08-13

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thinrichsHi all.00:00
thinrichsTime for the Congress meeting00:00
veenaHi00:00
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 13 00:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:00
pballandhi00:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.00:00
masahitoHi00:00
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veenaHi00:00
Yingxin1hi00:00
RuiChenhola, guys00:00
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jwyhello00:00
thinrichsWe've got a good crew here right on time.  So let's get started.00:00
Prakash_DataTap#info Prakash Kanthi00:00
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thinrichsLet's start with a quick recap of last week's mid-cycle sprint.00:01
thinrichs#topic Mid-cycle sprint00:01
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thinrichsWe had 9-10 people working hard on a new distributed architecture.00:01
thinrichsI sent out an email to the mailing list with details.00:01
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thinrichsBut the short version is that we decided on...00:02
thinrichsrunning each datasource driver in its own process;00:02
thinrichsrunning each policy engine in its own process;00:02
thinrichsrunning the API in its own process;00:02
thinrichsand having them all communicate using oslo.messaging.00:02
thinrichsThere were also plans for generalizing that, as the need arises, to enable multiple datasources/policy engines to run in a single process.00:03
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thinrichsComments/questions?  (I'll try to dig up a pointer to the email I sent in the meantime.)00:03
thinrichs#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071653.html00:04
RuiChenwe will support the multi workers on same datasource drivers?00:04
thinrichsWhat does multi-workers mean?00:05
RuiChenmulti processes00:05
thinrichsI suppose that within a single process we could eventually multi-thread the datasource driver code.00:05
RuiChenlike nova-conductor00:05
RuiChenok, get it00:06
thinrichsI don't know nova-conductor00:06
thinrichsBut we don't expect to ever need more than 1 datasource driver process per datasource.00:06
thinrichsEven for high-availability.00:06
Yingxin1multiple policy engines means HA? There is only one engine right now00:06
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thinrichsIf one datasource driver process crashes, we just bring up another one, and it'll pull data immediately.00:07
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thinrichsYingxin1: either HA or if we end up with different kinds of policy engines (such as the vm-placement policy engine we experimented with)00:07
Yingxin1ok00:07
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thinrichsFor policy-engines, we WILL need multiple replicas (multi-master) to handle HA and high query throughput.00:08
thinrichsEach of those policy-engines will run in its own process.00:08
thinrichsFor HA we'll put those policy-engine processes on different boxes.00:08
thinrichsThough you could imagine having multiple policy-engine processes on the same box if all you wanted was high query-throughput.00:09
thinrichsBefore I forget, there are a bunch of notes on the etherpad.00:09
thinrichs#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-liberty-sprint00:09
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Yingxin1get it00:09
thinrichsOther questions/comments/suggestions?00:10
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masahitoWe try to implement it by Liberty, right?00:11
masahitoit's just a confirmation for me and others who didn't attend the meet-up.00:11
thinrichsFeature-freeze (liberty-3) is Sept 1-3, so there's no real way I see getting it done by liberty.00:11
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thinrichsFor liberty, we will release the existing architecture.  For M we'll release the new distributed architecture.00:12
pballandI do remember agreeing that we will try to have the code ready by the liberty summit though00:13
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pballand(I assumed that meant we would have a distributed version available on a alpha basis, but the full existing functionality still working)00:13
thinrichspballand: Oh right.  The goal was to have the first draft ready in master by the summit.00:13
thinrichsAnd then make it part of the release in M.00:14
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masahitoThank you. (when I re-read eatherpad there is no description for the timelime so I wanted to confirm it)00:14
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thinrichsWith that, maybe it's time to move on to a discussion about the work-items we produced.00:15
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thinrichs#topic Blueprints00:15
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thinrichsThe blueprints that came out of the meeting all start with dist-00:15
thinrichs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress00:15
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thinrichsThey're all Medium priority.00:15
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thinrichs(Typically High priority are the ones we're targeting for the current release.)00:16
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thinrichsAbout half of the dist- blueprints don't have assignees.00:16
thinrichsA good number of them are for migrating different API modules to use the RPC-style of interaction with the policy engine/datasource drivers.00:17
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thinrichsAll the dist-api- prefixed ones are for the api.00:17
thinrichsThose are all fairly small and self-contained.00:17
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thinrichsPlease make sure to sign up before actually starting the work00:18
thinrichsso that we don't duplicate effort00:18
masahitothinrichs: I can't change assignee because I'm not core.00:19
thinrichsmasahito: Send me an email and I'll sign you up.00:20
masahitothinrichs: I think it's good to send a mail to ML if someone decide to implement it.00:20
masahitothinrichs: OK00:20
thinrichsmasahito: that sounds good, but I'm guessing people will forget.00:20
Yingxin1Have we defined a uniformed RPC interface, to make dist-api- easier to implement?00:21
thinrichsOr won't want to tell everyone they're signing up.00:21
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RuiChenmasahito: I think it's a good idea00:21
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thinrichsYingxin1: that's a good thought.  Let's discuss that in a couple of minutes.00:21
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pballandYingxin1: I am working on the RPC interface as part of the base class in ‘dist-cross-process-dse'00:22
pballandthinrichs: ok, will wait to discuss until you say it’s time00:23
thinrichsQuestion: can anyone else change assignees on blueprints?  Or can you only change the assignee on blueprints that you have created?00:23
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Yingxin1pballand: I'll have a look at it00:23
RuiChenmaybe we should add the dependency between the dist-* blueprint00:23
masahitothinrichs: I can only change assignee I've created.00:24
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Yingxin1masahito: agreed00:24
thinrichsmasahito: thanks.  I don't see a way to let anyone change the assignee on my blueprints.00:24
masahitothinrichs: and especially I can change it to only myself.00:24
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thinrichsCan someone try this one:00:25
thinrichs#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/dist-api-rpcify-row00:25
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thinrichsI set it to Approved and set an Approver.  If that doesn't work, I don't see another way.00:25
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RuiChenI can try it dist-api-rpcify-row00:26
masahitoYour set looks work.00:27
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masahitolaunchpad allows me to change whitboard and workitems.00:28
thinrichsI don't see anyone's name showing up under assignee.00:28
thinrichsIt seems only the owner/core can change that.00:28
Yingxin1thinrichs: I still cannot change the Assignee00:28
thinrichsYingxin1: thanks for trying.00:28
thinrichsLet's move  on.00:28
thinrichs#topic RPC interface00:28
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thinrichspballand says he's working on something00:29
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thinrichsI'm guessing it's this:00:29
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210159/00:29
pballandI’ve been testing out various stragegies for DseNode using oslo.messaging primitives00:29
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thinrichsI did some of the preliminary work for the policy-model API00:30
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210691/00:30
thinrichspballand: please continue—didn't mean to interrupt00:30
pballandand also working on the spec for ‘dist-cross-process-dse’00:30
pballandthe spec isn’t pushed for review yet, because I wanted to test out some things before proposing a design00:30
pballandI’ve found one major shortcoming in oslo.messagaing00:31
pballandit seems that the message bus connection is managed automatically (including reconnects)… this is good00:31
pballandthe problem is that the application logic isn’t notified when the message bus is disconnected00:32
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pballandthis presents a problem with the design we outlined in the midcycle00:32
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pballandif a node is disconnected, and oslo.messaging reconnects, the dse doesn’t know that it may have missed messages00:32
alexsyipWe can detect that with sequence numbers.00:33
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pballandalexsyip: yes - more on that in a sec00:33
pballandI am working on two solutions: 1) chatted with some of the oslo.messaging folks, and am going to send an email to the mailing list to propose getting a trigger for connections and disconnections00:34
pballand2) as alexsyip said: we can use sequence numbers to detect gaps00:34
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pballandsequence numbers don’t work for services that aren’t sending updates, however, so we will need to have periodic heartbeats00:35
alexsyipDoes oslo messaging lose messages in any other situation?00:35
alexsyipsome times, these messages systems will drop messages underl overload conditinos.00:35
pballandalexsyip: I have yet to determine that, however it seems that the solution in 2) will handle that case as well00:35
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alexsyipOk.  The clone pattern is meant to deal with lost messages: http://zguide.zeromq.org/php:chapter5#Reliable-Pub-Sub-Clone-Pattern00:36
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pballandso I’m currently thinking we will ship with design 2, and changes in oslo.messaging will be an optimization if/when they come00:36
alexsyipsounds good to me.00:36
pballandI am working on a trial of this using oslo.messaging’s RPC interface, and hope to publish a spec by the end of the weekl00:37
pballandthat’s it from me00:37
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thinrichspballand: sounds good to me too.00:37
masahitopballand: sounds great.00:37
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Yingxin1:)00:39
thinrichsAm I right in thinking that this sequence-number issue will be handled at a lower layer than the api-models would worry about?00:39
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thinrichsThat is, when doing the api-modifications we can assume RPC is reliable, right?00:40
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pballandthinrichs: that’s right - I expect the DseNode class will be a parent for all services on the bus, and it will contain methods that send updates and send full data - the base class will manage adding metadata such as sequence numbers00:40
alexsyipyou can’t ever expect RPCs to be reliable.00:40
alexsyipunless you receive an ack.00:41
pballand(that’s right was for the first message, agree with alexsyip’s comment)00:41
Yingxin1So I think there could be an ack or a timeout.00:42
pballanda given table will have in-order updates up to some point, without the caller needing to worry about sequence numbers00:42
thinrichsSo when someone is writing the API model that inserts a rule, and we send off an API call but don't hear back, what do we do?00:42
pballandbut when making an explicit RPC to a service, you need an ack or timeout as Yingxin1 says00:42
thinrichsDoes the behavior depend on the API call?00:43
alexsyipYou can ask to see if the rule exists.00:43
pballandthinrichs: my initial thought would be to throw a 503 in that case00:43
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thinrichspballand: but what if the rule actually got inserted?00:43
pballandthe caller won’t know if the call succeeded or not, but that’s a common problem00:43
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pballandthe caller can check for the rule, or try the insert again (if/when we support idempotent create)00:43
thinrichspballand: so you're saying never retry—it's the user's problem.00:44
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pballandthinrichs: well, we retry internally, but only up to some time limit00:44
pballandultimately, it’s always the user’s problem (there can be disconnections other places in the line)00:44
thinrichspballand: is that rolled into the base class, or does the retry logic depend on the particulars of the API call?00:44
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thinrichsI'm just trying to figure out what abstraction we need to use when modifying the API models.00:45
veenathinrichs: yes, there should be a time out limit to handle a request message00:45
pballandoslo.messaging has support for that internally00:45
pballand#link: I am working on two solutions: 1) chatted with some of the00:45
pballandoops00:45
pballand#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.messaging/rpcclient.html#oslo_messaging.RPCClient.call00:45
thinrichsSo I should be treating the RPC method implemented in the DseNode base class as something that either returns a value/ack or that times out.00:46
thinrichsAnd then if there's a time-out I return a 503.00:46
pballand(from the docs, however, it doesn’t look like the call timeout is configurable, so we may need to implement some more logic)00:46
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veenapballand: it is configurable00:47
thinrichsLost track of the time.00:47
thinrichsI wanted to make 1 quick comment before moving on.00:47
pballandthinrichs: I would treat it as synchronous, but could raise MessagingTimeout, RemoteError, MessageDeliveryFailure00:47
pballandveena: thanks00:47
thinrichspballand: sounds good.00:48
thinrichsIn the first edits I made to the policy-model,00:48
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210691/00:48
thinrichsI did 2 things:00:48
thinrichs1. introduced a self.rpc to mimic the one that will belong to the DSENode and made all communication go through that.00:48
thinrichs(The implementation is just invoking the policy-engine's methods directly.)00:49
thinrichs2. I moved the database logic out of the API model and into the policy-engine.00:49
thinrichsSo instead of the API keeping the database and policy engine synchronized, that's left to the policy engine itself.00:49
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thinrichsNone of that relies on having DseNode ready, so we can do all that in parallel with pballand's efforts.00:50
thinrichsmasahito: you had a question about whether (2) makes sense.00:50
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masahitothinrichs: yap.00:50
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thinrichsThe question was whether the API should directly talk to the database or whether the API should always talk to one of the other processes to answer questions.00:51
thinrichsIs that right?00:51
masahitoyes00:51
alexsyipthinrichs: you could just write directly to the db from the API.  Then wait for the policy engine to read from the DB>00:51
alexsyipMy hunch is that it’s better to talk directly to the db.00:51
thinrichsalexsyip: understood, but in the PE case, only the PE knows whether a new rule can be inserted so we need to talk to the PE anyway.00:52
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masahitoIMO, writing access to db is only permitted for PE, reading DB is permitted for all.00:53
alexsyipI think it’s not enough to ask the PE00:53
alexsyipbecause there may be two writers going through different PEs that write conflicting writes.00:53
alexsyipOh, maybe not.00:54
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alexsyipAre you saying the PE writes the transaction, but only the PE knows under what conditions to write the transaction?00:54
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masahitoalexsyip: maybe yes00:55
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thinrichsalexsyip: yes.  The PE is the only one that knows syntactically valid statements, and whether adding a statement would cause cycles.00:55
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thinrichsLost track of time again.  Let's put this on hold and see if anyone else needs help from the group.00:56
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:56
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alexsyipAre there multiple PEs with different ideas of what is valid?00:56
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thinrichsSorry we ran so short on time this week, everyone.00:57
thinrichsLots of energy for the new architecture!00:57
thinrichsGreat to see!00:57
thinrichsNo one has anything to ask?00:58
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RuiChenpleased to see the new architecture in plan00:58
RuiChenno from me00:58
thinrichsalexsyip: if there were a bunch of rules additions coming in close together, then 2 PEs could get out of sync and then evaluate whether a new rule would create a cycle, I suppose.00:59
thinrichsI'm guessing that's going to be rare, but possible.00:59
thinrichsIt wouldn't be until the sync that the two realized the rules in the DB were actually recursive.00:59
thinrichsAnd so not permitted.00:59
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thinrichsRuiChen: agreed.01:00
alexsyipYes, so that means the PE is not able to really evaulate at API time.01:00
thinrichsThanks all—we're officially out of time.01:00
thinrichsI can continue on #congress for a few minutes.01:00
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 13 15:00:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
cdentword15:00
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ildikovo/15:01
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eglynno/15:02
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gordclet's go!15:03
fabioghi15:03
gordc        self.assertRaises(webtest.app.AppError,15:03
gordc                          self.get_json,15:03
gordc                          '/samples?limit=-2')15:03
gordcarg15:03
gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap15:03
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gordcseems like we're making progress on remaining bps15:03
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gordcfunctional tests are gated now15:03
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gordcmandatory limits is almost done15:04
gordcprads making progress on declarative meters15:04
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gordcllu-laptop: one question i had was the snmp spec15:04
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gordcllu-laptop: is that being worked on still?15:05
jd__hoy15:05
llu-laptopyes, i'm working on that, but progress is not fast15:05
llu-laptopsorry15:05
gordcllu-laptop: no worries... just checking15:05
gordcwe have roughly 2.5 weeks... you think it's still doable?15:05
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llu-laptopi'll try my best15:06
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gordckeeping in mind the gate usually explodes the last two weeks15:06
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gordcllu-laptop: ok. let me know if we need to push it i guess... or if we need to request extension15:06
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llu-laptopgordc: ok, got that15:07
gordcjd__: any idea regarding aodh? did sileht ever get it all gated?15:08
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gordcllu-laptop: cool cool15:08
* gordc is assuming sileht is super busy or on pto15:08
cdentgordc: sileht was adding integration tests, I've been doing the functional tests and they are merged15:08
jd__gordc: sileht is on PTO this week15:08
cdentso aodh gates on some (quite lightweight) functional tests15:08
gordcjd__: ack15:08
jd__gordc: what part being gated are you talking about? cdent did some of that15:09
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gordccdent: cool stuff15:09
gordcjd__: mainly on the integration between ceilo+aodh+heat... that's probably the main use case we need to worry about15:09
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gordconce we have that, ildikov can start drafting the docs on difference with aodh15:10
cdentthose are currently not working15:10
jd__not sure if we have that complete yet but cdent and sileht are on it :]15:10
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cdentbut they just need some tweaks15:10
ildikovgordc: +115:10
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jasonamyerso/15:10
gordccdent: cool cool. nice to know there aren't any blockers15:10
gordcthose are the two main items i was tracking... any one else with specs they want to bring up?15:11
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gordccdent: you debating whether or not you want to gnocchi dispatcher cache?15:12
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gordcto do*15:12
cdentI'm waiting to see what magic jd__ brings when he fixes the pending dispatcher bug15:13
gordccdent: cool cool. we can revist in gnocchi topic then.15:13
cdentif that makes it clean, then I will likely revisit it15:13
ildikovgordc: IIRC we still have a few open patches for event-alarms as for BPs15:13
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jd__💫 ✨15:13
* gordc see squares15:13
gordcor eye?15:13
gordcildikov: yeah. i think it's better now that we have migration support so we can start making progress in aodh15:14
jd__gordc: go get an IRC client with Unicode support :p15:14
* gordc doesn't understand technology15:14
gordcildikov: i think because aodh is running on it's own release schedule, we're less tied to time15:15
gordcbut definitely, start reviewing Ryota's alarm patches.15:15
ildikovgordc: when do we plan to release it?15:15
gordcildikov: good question.15:16
jd__at least at Liberty time15:16
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jd__I'd hope to make a first 1.0.0 by the end of the month15:16
jd__but I'd like to clean some stuff still15:16
gordcildikov: i'd probably say 1.0.0 could be when we have equivalence to ceilometer-alarm15:16
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gordci don't think we need to wait for event-alarms to release15:17
gordcor whatever jd__ said ^^15:17
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ildikovit would be good to keep that feature in release timeframe if it's ready15:17
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gordcildikov: agreed.15:18
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jd__gordc: what's equivalence?15:18
gordcjd__: the integration gate stuff... basically same functionality from user pov15:19
jd__AFAIK we have that from the beginning no?15:20
gordcsame or more*15:20
jd__"same functionnalities"15:20
jd__we just don't have the proof :)15:20
gordcjd__: yeah. so basically gate... :)15:20
gordcjust want to avoid having a broken 1.0.015:21
gordcwe all good?15:21
gordcregarding new specs...15:22
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gordci'm not declaring a freeze... but tbh, new specs will have lower priority and depending on how complicated it is, probably won't survive the end of cycle gate15:22
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gordcso, nicely put, you should probably target M* starting now.15:23
cdentthat seems fair, we have a lot of testing that needs to happen15:24
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gordccdent: i'm going to assume that was your topic15:25
cdentoh yeah of course15:25
gordci'll get back to you.15:25
gordcnext!15:25
gordc#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?15:25
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gordci just did one, it broke stuff, it got fixed... so next15:26
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gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:26
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gordcjd__: cdent: any fancy updates?15:26
jd__1.1.0 is out!15:27
gordcis that influx driver ready? passes my local tests... but i haven't tried in devstack15:27
ildikovjd__: \o/ :)15:27
gordcjd__: \o/15:27
cdentstill needs devstack adjustments to make go15:27
jd__http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2015-August/000522.html15:27
jd__gordc: works with tox locally15:27
jd__we don't really have devstack gating so whatever15:27
gordccool cool. i'll wait for those adjustments.15:28
nadyaI'm setting up real env for gnocchi influx testing, but it will take 1-2 days15:28
gordcdid we ask infra whether we could gate? seeing as it's not packaged.15:28
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eglynnjd__: is the gnocchi versioning following strict semver?15:28
jd__gordc: no because we know the answer15:28
gordcnadya: nice15:28
gordcjd__: word15:29
jd__eglynn: yes sir (say I, shaking in fear)15:29
eglynni.e. 1.1.0 only adds backward compatible features over 1.0.015:29
eglynnLOL :)15:29
jd__eglynn: yes that's it15:29
jd__we didn't break anything (that we noticed)15:29
eglynncoolness, thanks for the conformation15:29
eglynn*confirmation15:29
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jd__and 1.1.1 will be bugfix if we ever need15:29
eglynnnice15:29
gordcnext?15:31
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gordcnext15:31
gordc#topic https://review.openstack.org/21258415:31
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gordcarf15:31
gordc#topic moar tests please!15:31
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cdentthis is mine15:31
gordci need to learn how to copy/paste..15:31
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cdentit's just a gentle friendly reminder that in the face of all our awesome improvements (declarative meters, making aodh, having a gnocchi, removing pipeline from pollsters, functional test split out) we've disrupted our test coverage a _lot_15:32
cdentand pretty much anytime I look into a log file in devstack I find a new warning or error15:32
cdentand I'm trying to be dilligent about recording the bugs and fixing etc15:33
gordccdent: polling logs or all?15:33
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cdentbut what it really means is that we need more tests in all three of the styles: unit, functional, integration15:33
cdentgordc the most recent was in the alarm-evaluator in aodh not being able to talk to keystone properly15:33
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cdentthat turned out to be a devstack/plugin.sh issue15:33
cdentbut my point is that we cannot and should not ever trust anything15:34
llu-laptopcdent: is there a list of bugs?15:34
cdentonly the usual place llu-laptop: on launchpad15:34
gordccdent: good point15:34
llu-laptopwe're having a China hackathon next week, and I hope we could help to fix some bugs15:34
gordcre: be paranoid15:34
cdentbut what I'm trying to say is that we have _created_ bugs, recently, and we dont' know about them yet15:34
cdentllu-laptop: if you want to find the bugs, the think to do seems to be run devstack, try stuff, and look in the log files for things that surprise you, especially when using all three of aodh, ceilometer, and gnocchi15:35
cdentit's quite fun15:35
ildikovcdent: do you have plans on how we could track the test coverage?15:35
cdentbut also quite...alarming15:35
cdentildikov: not off the top of my head, no15:35
gordcget out15:35
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gordcwe accept no puns here.15:36
ildikovcdent: but I guess it would be beneficial to track it somehow15:36
cdentnot even the unintentional conformation one from eglynn earlier, that one was masterful15:36
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gordcshould we dedicate some time pre-freeze to testing?15:36
gordccdent: it went over my head... so ... it's acceptable.15:37
cdentildikov: yes, I agree, I just don't know what tools are really available to us. I tend to think that the easiest thing to do is just run the tests with manual coverage every now and again, and pick something to make better15:37
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ildikovwe could use the RC period too for adding new tests I guess15:37
cdentanyway, I don't wish to belabor the point, just make sure it was in everybody's brains15:38
ildikovor is that cheating?15:38
cdentildikov: I think it is better to start now15:38
cdentbecause the point isn't to add tests15:38
cdentthe point is to fix bugs15:38
cdents/fix/find and fix/15:38
cdentand we need to do that sooner than later15:38
ildikovcdent: what if at least run the tox -ecoverage and publish the result somewhere?15:38
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ildikovcdent: I didn't mean to start it at that time, but more to continue, when we get there, at leats we will be able to focus on it a bit15:39
* cdent defers to gordc's better judgement on such things15:39
* gordc doesn't really trust coverage15:40
gordci have time to start looking at other non-spec related stuff so i can look at testing15:40
ildikovgordc: what do you trust?15:40
* cdent doesn't trust coverage either15:40
gordctbh, most of the gaps we've seen came from when others have been implementing new things15:40
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gordcildikov: nothing.15:41
* cdent trusts canadians15:41
ildikovwe need more functional tests for sure15:41
ildikovcdent: LOL :)15:42
gordccdent: you shouldn't, we talk a lot of trash.15:42
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gordcildikov: agreed re: functoinal tests15:42
gordcildikov: i'll try runing coverage to see if anything stands out... but i don't really have a target/start point aside from that in regards to what i will fix15:43
gordci'm sort of hoping i'll stumble into something.15:43
ildikovI just asked about it to have something to start with15:43
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gordcllu-laptop: i tried to clean up some bugs recently... they should (mostly) be accurate15:44
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gordcllu-laptop: you guys can take a look at it at hackathon.15:44
llu-laptopgordc: thx very much15:45
ildikovit could be used to see if some new features cause significant decrease then we can ask for more tests there for instance15:45
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gordcildikov: fair enough... with so many lines of code, it's usually difficult for a patch to make that much impact on coverage15:46
gordceven if it's all untested15:46
gordcllu-laptop: i should mention, there's a lot of them "in progress", but it seems they aren't really15:47
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ildikovgordc: yeap, you're prolly right15:47
gordcso i guess if you aren't working on spec or bug, start testing and writing tests...15:48
gordcjasonamyers: you like tests right!15:48
jasonamyersI do15:48
gordc:)15:48
jasonamyersI'm traveling next few weeks though15:49
gordcwell played... well played15:49
gordcany other items on testing?15:49
ildikovjasonamyers: good excuse :)15:49
jasonamyersha15:49
gordc#topic Open discussion15:50
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jasonamyersSO today if very close to our drop dead for M* midcycle15:50
jasonamyersI've not seen very much input from anyone except cdent and ildikov15:50
jasonamyersis no one else interested or able to come?15:50
jasonamyersI'm totally down to just throw a midcycle with the 3 of us, but I was hoping for me15:51
jasonamyerss/me/more15:51
gordcjasonamyers: doodle link again?15:51
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gordci'm just going to put a rough date i may be free... but most likely will be 50-5015:51
jasonamyershttp://doodle.com/hmukqwzvq7b54cef15:52
jasonamyersshould we move it up a week?15:52
jasonamyersdoes that help anyone if we do?15:52
jasonamyersto be the last of november15:52
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gordcjasonamyers: possibly...15:53
* cdent has tday obligations15:53
eglynnlast of nov is Thanksgiving, no?15:53
jasonamyersyes15:53
jasonamyersI never can remember who all celebrates that15:53
eglynna-ha, yeah, wot cdent said15:53
gordcthanksgiving is in october :P15:53
cdenti wish you were right gordc15:53
jasonamyersthat sounds very canadian :P15:54
ildikovwhat is thanksgiving? ;)15:54
gordc*shrugs*15:54
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gordcdid we rule out early January?15:54
gordceveryone be too groggy from new years?15:54
jasonamyersI didn't15:54
jasonamyersand I'm up for spending new years with you all :P15:54
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gordcjasonamyers: not that early15:54
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jasonamyersthere was some concern it would be too late in the cycle at one point15:55
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cdentbased on when everyone did there's this cycle I think that may have been a bit of a red herring15:55
jasonamyershaha15:55
cdenttheirs15:55
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jasonamyersI guess what I'm saying is, ildikov needs to book tickets15:55
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jasonamyersI'm open from Last Nov - JAN15:55
jasonamyerslet's make this happy15:56
jasonamyerss/happy/happen15:56
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cdenthappy too15:56
gordcjasonamyers: what's are cutoff date for deciding? soon? or week before summit?15:56
ildikovjasonamyers: thanks, I managed to move the tickets yesterday, so now I have time until october15:57
jasonamyersoh okay15:57
cdentthat gives a bit of breathing room15:57
jasonamyersI need roughly 2 months of planning time15:57
jasonamyersfrom myside because I'll be handling setting up stuff that is half a day away15:57
jasonamyersso they'll be delays in organizing the facilities and food15:58
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gordcok. so end of month...15:58
gordcplease comment folks. or just put your name and say none15:58
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jasonamyerswhen is summit again?15:58
ildikovI guess regarding holidays and Christmas we might iam for January15:58
gordcif not, we'll aim for an americas tz virtual meetup!15:59
ildikovjasonamyers: October 27-3015:59
gordchttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule15:59
ildikovgordc: works for me15:59
cdentI'd be able to manage january much more easily from a sanity standpoint15:59
jasonamyersokay so I'll edit the pool15:59
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jasonamyersand realign the budget stuff16:00
gordcjan is better for me too but we'll probably have to re-evaluatate what we discuss16:00
gordctimes up16:00
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gordclet's switch channels16:00
gordcthaakns16:00
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cdentgordc is danish16:00
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gordc#endmeeting16:00
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sridhar_ramtackers here ?16:01
vishwanathjyes16:01
sripriyao/16:01
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Rajkumar_KuppuraHello Everyone. GM16:01
lsp42@sridhar_ram: here16:01
vishwanathjsridhar_ram, you are supposed to be on vacation, right?16:01
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prashanto/16:01
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sridhar_ramhi everyone!16:01
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: vacation starts after this mtg :)16:02
vishwanathjsridhar_ram, very much appreciate your dedication to Tacker16:02
sridhar_rambobh: ping16:02
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sridhar_ram#startmeeting tacker16:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 13 16:02:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
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sridhar_ram Agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Aug_13.2C_201516:03
sridhar_ram#topic Announcement16:03
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sridhar_ramTacker Midcycle meetup next week - Aug 20 - 21st16:03
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sridhar_ram#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tacker/LibertyMidcycle16:04
sridhar_ram  #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-tacker-midcycle16:04
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sripriyasridhar_ram just messaged he lost internet connectivity. he will join back once he has connectivity again16:07
sripriyawe can continue the meeting16:07
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lsp42Will the two days have their outputs recorded or logged? I'm in the UK and can't make the 20th at Brocade HQ16:08
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sripriyalsp42: as of now, there is no arrangment for recording the meeting, but we will log the meeting minutes of both days and also the action items16:09
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sripriyalsp42: 20th is mostly hackathon and will run for half a day only16:10
sripriya21st be a full day which will run through the agenda mentioned in the etherpad link16:10
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sripriyalsp42: did you have any other questions about the midcycle?16:11
lsp42srpriya: None yet. I'm a noobie :)16:12
sripriyaalright, lets move on16:13
sripriya#topic Tacker MANO API16:13
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sripriyasince i'm not the chair, openstack does not automatically set the topic16:14
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sripriyaso the API spec has been in good progress, i wil paste the link here for reference16:14
sripriya#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204926/16:14
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sripriyathe api spec is still active for any feedback or thoughts16:15
sripriyaand will probably merge by early next week once s3wong reviews and approves (core reviewer)16:16
sripriyathe other update i had was the implementation of the api spec16:17
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sripriya#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211734/16:17
sripriyathe patchset contains the fix required for the introduction of the new API extension16:17
sripriyathe fix is pretty straightforward and is mostly a wrapper around servicevm extension16:18
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sridhar_ramI'm back (internet provider - GoogleStarbucks)16:18
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sripriyai will be submitting thr python-tackerclient changes and unit test by end of this week16:18
sridhar_ram#chair sripriya16:19
openstackCurrent chairs: sridhar_ram sripriya16:19
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sripriyauntil then the patchset has been set to WIP and is open for any comments/feedback16:19
sripriyasridhar_ram: welcome back!16:19
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sripriyasridhar_ram: take it over :-)16:19
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sridhar_ramare you done w/ MANO API update ?16:20
sripriyai just finsihed the update, unless anybody has any questions16:20
sripriyasridhar_ram: the topic could not be set to API update earlier since i was not the chair16:21
sridhar_ramlets move on then..16:21
sridhar_ram#topic AutoScaling Update16:21
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sridhar_ramprashant ?16:22
prashanton autoscaling I have the spec, I upload the spec for review16:22
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prashantthere are two work items, as we were discussing sridhar_ram, updating TOSCA template format and translation of template to heat16:23
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sridhar_ramYes, TOSCA currently doesn't support AutoScaling & Monitoring yet16:23
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sridhar_ramthis is something we need to take an initial crack at it16:24
prashantsridhar_ram : I haven't made any progress on TOSCA template from where we left off few days ago16:24
sridhar_ramprashant: can you share the google doc link w/ the team here ?16:24
sridhar_ramit is preliminary but will give others some idea of the initial thought process and provide comments16:25
prashantsure...there you go..https://docs.google.com/document/d/14LL_ZK0oQ_MDFgT82a0aBAiKb3kOJNQJUPcZkOVXVzI/edit?usp=sharing16:25
sridhar_ramOnce we have an implementation .. we can even influence / provide some suggestion back to the TOSCA community16:26
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sripriyasridhar_ram: does that mean we will contribute to the TOSCA simple vnf standard?16:26
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sridhar_ramsripriya: not in official sense, only companies joined as "contributor" status in OASIS can contribute16:28
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sripriyasridhar_ram: ok16:28
sridhar_rambut we have folks in TOSCA-nfv who value Tacker teams input in this area .. and I'm sure they will consider our input :)16:28
sripriyacool16:29
lsp42quick Q on TOSCA...how far are we from supporting standing up multiple instances like NFVO?16:29
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: qq.. have your team have any experience w/ AutoScaling using other Orch framsworks ?16:29
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sridhar_ramlsp42: here is a two part answer16:29
sridhar_ramlsp42: 1) if a VNF has multiple VDUs (multiple VMs forming a VNF) - tacker support this today16:30
Rajkumar_Kuppuranope. Sridhar. We just used the auto scaling group for scaling.. Haven't done much on this.16:30
sridhar_ramlsp42: 2) NFVO / NSD level orchestration is something we are still discussing w/ an extended team of TOSCA + heat-translator + Tacker16:31
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lsp42sridhar_ram: thanks16:32
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: okay16:32
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sridhar_ramprashant: I'll provide some comments on both TOSCA & ETSI NFV / IFA sections16:33
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prashantsridhar_ram : sure ty16:33
sridhar_rambased on that we can take an attempt an implemenation16:33
sridhar_ramlooking fwd for your spec in tacker-specs!16:33
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sridhar_ramnext topic16:34
sridhar_ram#topic Liberty Release plans16:34
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sridhar_ram#undo16:35
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sridhar_ram#topic Switch to Master16:35
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sridhar_ramTacker currently works using stable/kilo components for its dependencies (like nova, neutron, etc)16:36
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sridhar_ramI now have couple of patchsets to switch Tacker to master16:36
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sridhar_ramthis is important to make a Liberty Release for tacker16:36
sridhar_ram#link - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211403/ - this is Tacker server16:37
sridhar_ram#link - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211405/ - this is for Tacker client16:37
sridhar_ramthis switch over will be bit *disruptive*16:37
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sridhar_ramBut as long as you follow the instruction in our wiki ... will be painless16:38
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sridhar_ramany questions on this ?16:38
sridhar_ramthe patchset itself is switch over from oslo.messaging to oslo_messaging stuff16:39
sridhar_ramhopefully we can plan to do this switch within couple of week16:40
sridhar_ramweeks16:40
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sridhar_ram#topic Liberty Release Planning16:40
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sridhar_ramThe plan is to cut a liberty release in late Sept16:41
sridhar_ramwe will finalize the date in next week's F2F16:41
sripriyasridhar_ram: just to add, once the master changes are pushed, a kilo branch will be cut out to provide stable/kilo suport in Tacker16:41
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ssureshhello all16:42
sridhar_ramsripriya: yes, thanks for the heads up. we can pull the current branch as stable/kilo before the switch to master16:42
ssureshthis is shrinath16:42
sridhar_ramssuresh: hi16:42
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sridhar_ramOn the release - with things in flight I'm hoping if we can following things - MANO API, Health Mon Refactoring, Switch to Master, Testing - that will be a solid release16:44
sridhar_ramprasant's AutoScaling will be the cherry on the top if it made it ...16:44
sridhar_ramprashant: no pressure ;-)16:45
sripriya:-)16:45
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sridhar_ramany question on the release plan ?16:45
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sridhar_ramthe date I had in mind in Sept 25th .. lets decide that next week16:46
sridhar_ramlooks both s3wong and bobh couldn't make it today16:46
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sridhar_ram#topic Bugs16:47
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sridhar_ramanyone what to discuss any specific bugs here ?16:47
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sripriyasridhar_ram: should we discuss here about the introduction of param attribute in vnf create as a heads up?16:48
sridhar_ramI want to give an heads up on one - there is bunch of fixes coming from Parameterization ..16:48
sridhar_ramsripriya: ah.. we crossed each other !16:48
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sripriya:-)16:49
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: do you mind giving a quick update ?16:49
vishwanathjsridhar_ram, sure16:49
* sridhar_ram realized it should've been an agenda topic16:49
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vishwanathjI have now uploaded 3 patchsets of what sridhar_ram and sripriya were referring to......it basically adds support to onboarding a VNFD template that supports parameterized input.16:51
vishwanathjI have created a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/148422716:51
openstackLaunchpad bug 1484227 in tacker "Parameterization support missing in VNFD template" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to vishwanath jayaraman (vishwanathj)16:51
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1484227 in tacker "Parameterization support missing in VNFD template" [Medium,In progress]16:51
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1484227 in tacker "Parameterization support missing in VNFD template" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148422716:51
sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: I believe this is one of the ask you had in our earlier discussions16:52
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vishwanathjwith examples of what a VNFD template would look like and what a parameter value file would look like16:52
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: please review these patchset .. particularly the usage16:53
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vishwanathjwould suggest you folks going through the YAML attachments to the bug and providing feedback or ask for clarification, if any16:53
vishwanathjDid initial developer testing and the results have been good16:53
vishwanathjthat's the end of my update16:54
Rajkumar_KuppuraSure Sridhar.. We've scheduled 30 mins discussion with you guys tonight your time16:54
sridhar_ramvishwanathj: thanks for this enhancement. it is an important one, provides deployer flexibility16:54
Rajkumar_KuppuraPlease we'll discuss and learn and close it16:54
sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: the agenda for the sync up is for git commit process16:55
* sridhar_ram notes 5mins left16:55
Rajkumar_Kuppurayes.16:55
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: lets use gerritt for the review of the parameterization..16:56
sridhar_ramwe can't have offline reviews ... it needs to be done in the open!16:56
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Rajkumar_KuppuraGot it.. we'll review the patchset for parameterization16:56
sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: you will get use to it soon :)16:56
sridhar_ram*used16:56
sridhar_rammoving on ...16:56
Rajkumar_KuppuraThanks Sridhar16:57
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sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion16:57
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sridhar_ramanything else ?16:57
* sridhar_ram will catchup the missed portions using eavesdrop16:57
Rajkumar_Kuppurawe have to consider monasca for service assurance.16:57
Rajkumar_Kuppuraas its has analytics & monitoring engine16:58
Rajkumar_KuppuraPlease thoughts..16:58
sridhar_ramRajkumar_Kuppura: sure, I think we need some solid discussion on this..16:58
Rajkumar_Kuppurayes +116:58
sridhar_rambobh is handling this area.. we need him16:58
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sridhar_ramlets plan an Agenda item on Monasca integration in the week after mid-cycle..16:59
sridhar_ramagain, no IRC meeting next well..16:59
sridhar_ramwill provide an update to the team16:59
Rajkumar_KuppuraSure.Sridhar - please share us the invite to participate in monasca discussion.17:00
sridhar_ramon the midcycle17:00
sridhar_ramtimes up17:00
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sridhar_ramby team17:00
sridhar_ram#endmeeting17:00
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sripriyathanks!17:00
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mtreinishhi, who's here today?17:01
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mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_13th_2015_.281700_UTC.2917:01
mtreinish^^^ Today's agenda17:01
mtreinishdkranz, afazekas, mkoderer, sdague: around?17:02
mtreinishandreaf: it might be a quick meeting :)17:03
afazekashi17:03
mtreinishwell, let's get started17:03
izaakko/17:03
mtreinish#topic QA Code Sprint (mtreinish)17:03
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mtreinishI posted this to the ML the other day17:04
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mtreinishbut we'll be having the code sprint next month in ft collins17:04
mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/CodeSprintLibertyFortCollins17:04
mtreinishif you'd like to come just put your name on the table at the bottom of the wiki17:05
mtreinishI figured I should just mention it during the meeting17:05
mtreinishdidn't really have anything else to say which wasn't on the ML or on the wiki :)17:06
mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else on this?17:06
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mtreinishok, then let's move on17:07
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mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:07
andreafmtreinish: how many people can we host in the FtC office?17:07
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andreafmtreinish: oh sorry I was late...17:07
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mtreinishandreaf: the number I asked for was ~2017:08
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mtreinishso I don't think we'll have any space issues17:08
andreafmtreinish: ok, cool17:08
mtreinishit'll be different then nyc :)17:08
mtreinishwe were definitely at max capacity there17:08
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andreafit was cosy :D17:09
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mtreinishok, anything else on this?17:09
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mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:10
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mtreinishok does anyone have any specs reviews to bring up this week?17:10
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:10
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mtreinishit doesn't look like we've seen too specs activity lately17:11
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mtreinishok, I guess nothing for this one, let's move on17:12
mtreinish#topic Tempest17:12
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mtreinishso I put something on the agenda here17:12
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/21160117:12
mtreinishthat's the patch to start the deprecation for the old credential config options17:12
mtreinishI've added experimental/periodic test-accounts jobs (although I think they don't actually work as expected yet)17:13
andreafmtreinish: awesome :)17:14
mtreinishbut I think once we confirm that the jobs do what they're supposed to we can start the clock for that17:14
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andreafthe deprecation, not the non-working17:14
mtreinishwhat do people thing, 1 cycle for deprecation is sufficient?17:14
mtreinishandreaf: hehe17:14
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andreafso the test-accounts jobs are non-admin also or do they have admin creds configured?17:15
mtreinishandreaf: I think I set them up to be admin17:15
mtreinishI just modeled them after the regular non isolated jobs17:16
mtreinishwhich have admin17:16
andreafok, but they do run in parallel, right?17:16
mtreinishyes, they should17:16
mtreinishthe thing is I actually think right now all I did was screw up the devstack tempest config logic17:17
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mtreinish#link http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-qa/periodic-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-test-accounts-master/581b408/logs/tempest_conf.txt.gz17:17
mtreinishbecause that's not really using test accounts17:17
andreafso we need multiple admin accounts configured in the YAML file17:17
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mtreinishandreaf: the account generator util in tempest should do that17:18
andreafok, yes - but allow_tenant_isolation should be false probably17:19
mtreinishheh, yeah and we should be pointing tempest at the accounts.yaml17:19
mtreinishwhich is why I said it's not quite working :)17:19
mtreinishbut I think once we get the job sorted we can move forward on the deprecation patch17:20
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mtreinishok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on tempest?17:22
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andreafwe also have a new job (non-voting) with validation on17:22
mtreinishoh, that landed cool17:22
mtreinishhow do the initial results look?17:23
mtreinishlike is it more unstable sshing all the time17:23
andreafe.g. http://logs.openstack.org/82/185082/9/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ssh/43e5b61/17:23
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andreafI think it's looking ok so far17:24
mtreinishcool17:24
andreafI was wondering if there is any way we can get this job (only) getting its results in subunit2sql DB so we can track it there17:24
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andreafI think normally check is not getting into the DB?17:25
mtreinishandreaf: yeah it's only gate right now17:25
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mtreinishandreaf: but that is doable, I'm just not sure about it from a policy decision17:25
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mtreinishandreaf: push a patch up to add it to: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/files/logstash/jenkins-log-client.yaml#n1417:26
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mtreinishand we can discuss it in the review17:26
mtreinishandreaf: but if you just want to track the job failure rate you can do that with graphite17:27
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mtreinishbut I agree subunit2sql does give you more detail17:27
andreafok, I'll try both17:27
mtreinishok, is there anything else on tempest?17:28
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mtreinish#topic Devstack17:29
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mtreinishdoes anyone have something to discuss on devstack this week?17:29
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hichiharaI don’t have any topics but I’d like to request.17:30
hichiharaI think devstack needs core’s review more.17:30
hichiharaI hope that devstack cores increase to review a little more.17:31
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mtreinishhichihara: it's just a little slow because several cores are away right now17:31
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mtreinishI'll try to pick up some more slack17:31
andreafa logistical comment: I think we won't have anyone from devstack / grenade every 2nd week in the QA meeting17:31
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hichiharamtreinish: sounds good17:32
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mtreinishandreaf: there are a couple devstack cores in the europe17:32
mtreinishbut grenade definitely not17:32
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mtreinishbut people are still free to dicuss it without cores from the project being awake17:33
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mtreinishis there anything else on devstack?17:34
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andreafok17:35
mtreinishandreaf: I'll leave it up to everyone else to figure out how to organize the alt timeslot meeting :)17:35
mtreinishsince 4am isn't something likely for me to attend17:36
mtreinishanyway lets move on17:36
mtreinish#topic Grenade17:36
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything to discuss on grenade for this week?17:36
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mtreinishoh, I guess I had 1 thing17:37
mtreinishwe recently added dansmith to grenade-core17:37
mtreinishso I should put him on the spot :)17:37
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mtreinishdansmith: anything you want to discuss about grenade?17:38
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mtreinishwell I guess not :)17:40
mtreinishlet's move on17:40
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:40
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:40
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dansmithmtreinish: sorry17:41
dansmithmtreinish: multiple pings at the same time, thought they were all in -nova17:41
dansmithmtreinish: but no, nothing from me :)17:41
mtreinishdansmith: no worries, I knew you didn't have anything to say anyway :)17:41
dansmithoh snap!17:41
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dansmithbut, true17:42
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mtreinishoh, there are 2 reviews on the agenda17:42
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207913/17:42
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209144/17:42
mtreinishdoes anyone else have a review to bring up?17:43
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mtreinishok I guess not17:45
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion17:45
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else to discuss this week?17:45
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mtreinishok I guess there isn't anything else this week17:47
mtreinishthanks everyone17:47
mtreinish#endmeeting17:47
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daneyon_#startmeeting container-networking18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'container_networking'18:00
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daneyon_#topic roll call18:00
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suro-patzo/18:00
daneyon_Daneyon Hansen18:00
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daneyon_lets wait a few min for others to join18:01
dane_leblanco/18:01
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daneyon_might be a light meeting this week... lol18:01
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daneyon_Thank you suro-patz dane_leblanc for joining the meeting. We'll make it a quick one this week.18:02
daneyon_#topic Networking Spec Update18:03
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daneyon_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204686/18:03
daneyon_I received +2's from pretty much all the core's except tcammann18:03
daneyon_he provided some good feedback and the spec has been updated to reflect his feedback18:03
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daneyon_in gernal, use specific config flags for params that are applicable across all net drivers or across the entire system, i.e. --libnetwork-driver18:04
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daneyon_i have not seen tcammann cast a vote since i provided an updated patch set, so i'll ping him to ask for him to cast a vote18:05
adrian_ottoo/18:05
eghoboo/18:05
daneyon_#action danehans to contact tcammann to ask for an updated vote on the net spec18:05
daneyon_thanks adrian_otto and eghobo for joining18:06
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adrian_ottodaneyon_: I have not reviewed the most recent revision yet. I don't expect to have time until tomorrow, unless I take a look right now.18:06
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wznoinsko/18:07
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daneyon_adrian_otto I was just saying that the net spec got +2's from most of the core's except tcammann. He provided good feedback and the spec was updated to reflect his feedback. Aside from tcammaann casting a +2 and you casting a +2, are their any other blockers from merging the spec?18:08
daneyon_wznoinsk thanks for joining18:08
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daneyon_Does anyone have questions on the spec?18:09
daneyon_It sure has been vetted :-)18:09
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daneyon_i'll wait a moment for responses18:09
daneyon_otherwise, we'll be on to our next topic.18:10
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adrian_ottohow about this, daneyon_: I will review it today, and merge it once we hear from tcammann if I have no objections.18:10
daneyon_#topic Kuryr Integration Brainstorming18:10
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daneyon_adrian_otto sounds like a plan18:10
daneyon_i took an action to ping tcammann to recast his vote18:10
adrian_ottos/today/tomorrow/18:10
daneyon_adrian_otto tomorrow will work just fine18:11
daneyon_so, back to to Kuryr Integration Brainstorming18:11
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daneyon_Is their anyone from the kuryr team in this meeting?18:11
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daneyon_That sounds like a no18:12
daneyon_which may be a challenge to address this topic.18:12
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daneyon_I created an etherpad to assist with our brainstorming18:13
daneyon_#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-kuryr18:13
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daneyon_I added a few sections, content, etc..18:13
hongbino/18:13
daneyon_hongbin thanks for joining18:13
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hongbinsorry for late18:13
daneyon_no problem18:13
dane_leblancIs the basic idea for Kuryr integration to invoke Kuryr network create for the magnum bay create, and similar for the container-create?18:13
suro-patzdaneyon_: Would you like to sum up, why we are abandoning Kuryr integration?18:14
daneyon_hongbin we are at the Kuryr Integration Brainstorming topic18:14
hongbink18:14
daneyon_with an etherpad to assist our brainstorming https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-kuryr18:14
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daneyon_Unfortunately, I do not believe anyone from the Kuryr team has joined the meeting.18:15
adrian_ottosorry, I have to step out for a bit. will be back.18:15
suro-patzetherpad does not really capture our conclusion and reasoning18:15
daneyon_adrian_otto no worries18:15
suro-patzit will be good to have a summary of our thoughts on Kuryr18:15
daneyon_suro-patz I don't see us abandoning kuryr integration.18:16
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daneyon_libnetwork will be the integration point between magnum and kuryr18:16
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daneyon_dane_leblanc yes, that is the way i understand it18:17
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suro-patzdaneyon_: I was confused with "That sounds like a no" statement18:17
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daneyon_dane_leblanc and hopefully more as kuryr and libnetwork mature18:17
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daneyon_suro-patz I tried to capture the magnum community's thoughts on kuryr in the net spec.18:18
dane_leblancdaneyon_: Sounds like the biggest question is how Kuryr will handle containers running in a VM, which is not clear yet.18:18
daneyon_the etherpad is really meant as a tool where both kuryr and magnum community members can share ideas and such18:19
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suro-patzI understand the proposal for Kuryr is to run as an agent on a docker host - be it a VM or BM18:19
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suro-patzdane_leblanc:^^18:19
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daneyon_suro-patz please review the kuryr language i added to the net spec. If you think information should be added/modified/subtracted, please provide details in the review18:20
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suro-patzan agent who will call back the neutron-service18:20
suro-patzdaneyon_: sure!18:20
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daneyon_suro-patz regarding I was confused with "That sounds like a no" statement are you referring to the etherpad or review?18:20
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suro-patzdaneyon_: Today at IRC, on brainstorming topic18:21
daneyon_dane_leblanc imo their is still quite a bit to be decided with kuryr. fortunately the lines of communication between both projects is open and i get the feeling the kuryr community really values our input.18:21
daneyon_We may have to defer diving into this topic until next week when someone from the kuryr team can join.18:22
daneyon_#action danehans to send a formal request to the kuryr team for participation in our next meeting on 8/2018:23
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daneyon_suro-patz and all, I suggest taking the time to review the kuryr design doc a few times if you have not done so already18:24
daneyon_#link https://github.com/openstack/kuryr/blob/master/doc/source/design.rst18:24
daneyon_as it stands today, kuryr will be a libnetwork remote driver18:24
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daneyon_it will follow the requirements of being a libnetwork remote driver18:24
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daneyon_it will proxy the driverapi calls to neutron api for reaalizing container networks18:25
daneyon_A user/operator will start the docker daemon with the kuryr driver # docker -d --kv-store=consul:localhost:8500 --label=com.docker.network.driver.kuryr18:26
daneyon_Create docker networks # docker network create -d kuryr prod18:27
daneyon_which will cause neutron to do a #neutron net-create prod18:27
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daneyon_as dane_leblanc points out how this maps to magnum vm's is TBD18:28
hongbinI guess Kuryr will use user-provided credential to call neutron?18:29
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eghobodaneyon_: can we do it without extra daemon?18:29
eghobowe already has docker daemon at host18:29
suro-patzhongbin: IIRC, in the demo, they were passing a hard-coded token18:30
daneyon_suro-patz regarding Today at IRC, on brainstorming topic I did not mean to come off as magnum is not integrating with Kuryr. We will be integrating with Kuryr. The details are TBD and hopefully everyone can start using the etherpad as a toool for capturing ideas on the topic. We definitly need to sort out the integration details sooner rather than later.18:30
hongbinsuro-patz: ACK18:30
suro-patzdaneyon_: Can you please elaborate the issue with Kuryr and magnum VM? I am not clear18:30
daneyon_eghobo can you expand upon your question?18:30
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eghoboe.g. kuryr is go driver which talk with netron and create vif18:31
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daneyon_suro-patz in the example I provided above, how will kuryr stitch together the networking on the host and vm. the kuryr community is focused on running containers directly on a host and not in a vm18:32
eghoboor do we need neutron agent at host for vif18:32
daneyon_when a user issues a 'docker network create -d kuryr prod' command, kuryr would need to configure the networking in the VM and on the host and tie those two together18:33
daneyon_I understand why the kuryr team is focused on containers on hosts, they want to take small steps.18:34
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daneyon_The good thing is they really want to support magnum, so our requirements will be high on their list of TODOs18:34
suro-patzdaneyon_: when we are running Kuryr on a docker host, just like the demo, we are running kuryr agent on the host itself to act as a remote driver for libnetwork. Right?18:34
daneyon_hongbin that is my understanding, when the docker daemon is loaded or through a conf file, credentials and all other stuff needed to communicate with the neutron api18:35
hongbindaneyon_: I am concerning about the privilege of the credential18:36
daneyon_eghobo docker daemon must run on vm's. when magnum support ironic bare metal driver, then only the host docker daemon will be needed18:36
suro-patzfollowing similar model, if we have to integrate with Kuryr, VMs in magnum Bay has to have a kuryr agent, right?18:37
hongbindaneyon_: If it is provided by users, it won't have admin credential.18:37
daneyon_docker daemon imports libnetwork. remote drivers are loaded using labels when the docker daemon is started18:37
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daneyon_eghobo yes, but it's in python not go18:38
daneyon_eghobo kuryr will talk to the neutron api, neutron api will realize the net through the neutron l2 agent18:38
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daneyon_again, this breaks down in our use case b/c we run in a vm18:39
suro-patzhongbin: I think trust token, i.e. authorization for specific action, would be the right choice to pass to the vm18:39
daneyon_their needs to be a way for kuryr to know that it's running in a vm and create the net on the host and vm, then connect the 218:39
dane_leblancsuro-patz: I think there may need to be 2 agents, one in VM and one on compute host, but either way, the difficult piece is how to bind the eth in the VM to the neutron network on the compute host.18:40
adrian_ottoon the subject of trust token capability, we are currently working on that in magnum18:40
eghobodaneyon_: not sure that run neutron l2 agent at docker host/vm is good idea18:40
adrian_ottoso we will have the ability to generate the trust tokens and inject them into vms through cloud-init18:40
daneyon_suro-patz kuryr will run wherever docker daemon runs18:40
daneyon_for magnum that's in the vm18:40
suro-patzdaneyon_: No confusion on that18:41
eghoboadrian_otto: does OpenStack ecosystem still require that everything need to be written in python?18:41
daneyon_that would also mean a neutron l2 agent would need to run in the vm, unless kuryr has the ability to realize container nets using other libnetwork remote/native drivers.18:41
adrian_ottoeghobo: no, we can use other languages18:41
daneyon_i discussed ^ topic with Gal yesterday.18:41
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adrian_ottopicking python makes it easier to leverage existing openstack libraries, but that's not officially a requirement18:42
daneyon_hongbin can you add your thoughts/concerns to the etherpad so we get them documented and addressed by the kuryr team?18:42
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hongbindaneyon_: sure18:42
daneyon_taking a moment to catch up on the thread18:43
hongbinOne thing is that if some agents need to run on bay, it'd better to run it in container18:43
daneyon_dane_leblanc agreed.18:44
suro-patzdaneyon_: I thought the Kuryr agent is sufficient on docker host/VM. The issue if it requires a plumbing on compute host18:44
suro-patzthat's where the interaction with neutron-l2 agent will come in place18:44
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daneyon_eghobo I agree and that is why I asked Gal to think about kuryr not only proxying to neutron api, but to other libnetwork drivers. Therefore, kuryr could instantiate the network in the vm using the native bridge driver for example.18:45
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suro-patzhongbin: daneyon_: Is it possible to run the remote network driver as a container on this host? Docker daemon itself will be taking the service from this18:46
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eghobodaneyon_: good point18:46
hongbinsuro-patz: I see18:46
suro-patzhongbin: Do you have a similar example? That sounds like a nice idea, but needs to be explored18:46
daneyon_To all... please make sure you provide this feedback in the etherpad so we can keep the ball rolling on this topic18:46
hongbinsuro-patz: I am worrying about the CoreOS cases. In there, everything needs to be in a container18:47
daneyon_I would like to move to our next agenda item18:47
suro-patzhmm, hongbin: I think this will be a great input to the Kuryr team18:47
dane_leblancdaneyon_: Using native bridge driver in VM makes a lot of sense, that way you only have one overlay (the one in the Neutron network on the compute host)18:48
daneyon_lets continue the kuryr integration discussion on the etherpad and i'll make sure it's on the agenda for next week and that we have someone from the kuryr team to dive into the details18:48
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daneyon_dane_leblanc agreed. I would like to see kuryr take advantage of all the native drivers... we'll see where this goes as our two teams work together18:49
daneyon_#topic Review Action Items18:49
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daneyon_danehans contact Gal to get Kuryr meeting details.18:49
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daneyon_I have the meeting details and joined this past Monday18:49
daneyon_Please let me know if you want to join the kuryr irc meetings, but do not know the details.18:49
daneyon_adrian_otto formally request the Neutron/Kuryr PTL submit a Kuryr design spec.18:49
daneyon_While we are waiting for adrian_otto, here is the next action item update18:50
daneyon_danehans to update network spec review to WIP and add comment to expect a revision18:50
daneyon_done, then taken out of WIP18:50
adrian_ottoare you recording actions, don't you want a #action in front of those?18:50
daneyon_i think the spec is just about ready to be merged... yay!18:51
daneyon_oops18:51
daneyon_adrian_otto i wasn;t sure if i should use action to get status updates on the action.18:51
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daneyon_#danehans contact Gal to get Kuryr meeting details.18:52
daneyon_I have the meeting details and joined this past Monday18:52
daneyon_Please let me know if you want to join the kuryr irc meetings, but do not know the details.18:52
adrian_ottooh, you are requesting status on previously assigned actions18:52
daneyon_yes18:52
daneyon_do i use #action for that?18:52
adrian_ottoI see. Disregard my previous remark on this subject.18:52
daneyon_#undo18:52
openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9f87150>18:52
adrian_ottothe topic was ok18:53
adrian_ottoyou can redu taht18:53
adrian_otto*redo18:53
daneyon_#redu18:53
daneyon_#redo18:53
daneyon_lol18:53
adrian_ottoyou have to repeat the #topic ...18:53
daneyon_thx all for your patience18:53
daneyon_#topic Review Action Items18:53
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daneyon_danehans contact Gal to get Kuryr meeting details.18:53
daneyon_I have the meeting details and joined this past Monday18:53
adrian_ottowe have arrived in the future where we rely on robots to get our work done ;-)18:53
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daneyon_Please let me know if you want to join the kuryr irc meetings, but do not know the details.18:54
daneyon_danehans to update network spec review to WIP and add comment to expect a revision18:54
daneyon_done, then taken out of WIP18:54
daneyon_lol18:54
daneyon_adrian_otto formally request the Neutron/Kuryr PTL submit a Kuryr design spec.18:54
daneyon_adrian_otto did you get a chance to do ^18:54
daneyon_i'll take that as a no adrian_otto18:55
daneyon_#action adrian_otto formally request the Neutron/Kuryr PTL submit a Kuryr design spec.18:56
daneyon_next topic18:56
daneyon_#topic Open Discussion18:56
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daneyon_we only have a couple minutes18:56
adrian_ottohttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072005.html18:56
daneyon_anyone have a quick discussion?18:56
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adrian_otto#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072005.html Official Design Spec Request18:56
daneyon_thanks adrian_otto for knocking that out18:56
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daneyon_not sure if their is a way to retract the action item i added for you18:57
adrian_ottonot important18:57
adrian_ottowe can just indicate it as complete during the next review18:57
daneyon_I'll add the ML to the ep18:57
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daneyon_well, we actually covered a fair bit of info18:58
daneyon_i really appreciate everyone's involvement18:58
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daneyon_to reiterate, please take time to add you ideas to the kuryr integration etherpad18:59
daneyon_thanks everyone!18:59
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daneyon_#endmeeting18:59
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stevemarcourtesy ping for dtroyer, dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus2419:04
terrylhoweo/19:04
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stevemargood enough to start19:04
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stevemar#startmeeting openstackclient19:05
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 13 19:05:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:05
stevemaranyone have any topic they want to discuss, the wiki hasn't been updated, but it's cool19:05
lhchengo/19:05
stevemar#topic osc 1.6.0 has been released19:05
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lhchengno topic from me :)19:05
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stevemarwe released 1.6.0 on tuesday, didn't break the gate (yay)19:06
stevemardhellmann: thanks for all your help with that btw19:06
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lhcheng\o/19:06
stevemarcliff 1.14.0(?) was also released19:06
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* sigmavirus24 golfclap19:07
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stevemarso if you type in the wrong command, you'll get some sweet help output19:07
stevemarand --help works now, it'll give you help based on that command19:07
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stevemarand we have a TON of volume v2 related code dropped in19:07
stevemari have a TODO to chat with someone from the cinder team, to see if they are interested in backing osc in favor of their cli19:08
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terrylhoweyeh, lots of features19:08
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terrylhowecool stevemar19:08
stevemaryeah, i'll add that to the pile (it's getting large)19:09
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stevemarthere was a bug with OCC that came up last night19:09
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stevemarthat ended up causing gate failures, it was only seen through osc usage, so we got some initial blame there :)19:10
stevemarits all fixed up for now though19:11
stevemar#topic anything else?19:11
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terrylhoweosc needs to get out of the business of providing a token_endpoint plugin and ksc should be in that business19:11
lhchengstevemar: what was the fix for the --help issue? I'm curious what was the issue.19:11
terrylhoweI think19:11
sigmavirus24lhcheng: probably delayed help printing19:12
sigmavirus24I think that is a thing with cliff19:12
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sigmavirus24help is either printed eagerly or lazily19:12
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terrylhowethings like ‘os image set —help’ prints image set help instead of general help19:12
stevemarlhcheng: previously, if you have issued --help with a command it would give you the same output as if you had typed 'openstack --help'19:12
lhchengsigmavirus24: ah cool19:13
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sigmavirus24lhcheng: oh I think stevemar and I understood the question differently19:13
stevemarnow it should work the same as if you typed 'openstack help image set' and 'openstack image set --help'19:13
stevemarsigmavirus24: seems that way19:13
* sigmavirus24 isn't sure which was the right answer though19:13
lhchengsigmavirus24: I actually understand the symptom, just wondering what was the fix19:13
* stevemar i think mine is19:13
lhchengsigmavirus24: you got it right19:13
* lhcheng sorry for the unclear question19:14
sigmavirus24stevemar: did I get the fix right?19:14
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sigmavirus24lhcheng: don't apologize19:14
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stevemaryep, i can link the patch19:14
stevemarhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/201258/19:14
stevemarthe second improvement to help was pretty cool, too...19:15
stevemarif you type in 'openstack tag' (not a command)19:15
lhchengstevemar: cool, thanks!19:15
stevemarnow you'll get back git style feedback "did you mean 'openstack catalog'"19:15
stevemarthat's done in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202053/19:15
sigmavirus24oooooh19:16
stevemarneat stuff :)19:16
terrylhoweyeh, definitely19:16
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lhchengsweet19:17
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stevemarterrylhowe: did you want to chat about the logging stuff?19:18
terrylhoweYeh, definitely.  I’m just trying to move logging stuff out of shell.py to make it more testable and reduce churn on shell.py19:18
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stevemarthe less stuff in shell.py the better19:19
terrylhowehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/186720/ was a patch I didn’t submit, but got me started19:19
stevemar#topic logging19:19
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stevemari really like the cleanup you did on that one19:19
terrylhoweshell.py is hard to test because you have to structure your tests almost like functional tests19:19
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terrylhowethere a bunch of dependent patches to that, the first 3 are pretty simple and then it gets more complicated19:20
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stevemarterrylhowe: are you happy with the logging-everytime patch?19:21
stevemarnot just the code, but the overall design and such19:21
terrylhoweyeh, it works as it is the follow on patches clean things up more19:21
stevemari'll look into those19:21
stevemari almost want to say wait for dtroyer to take a look at it19:22
stevemarits definitely cleaner now19:22
stevemarlet me look at the follow on patches, maybe viewing it as a whole will give me confidence in the initial patch19:23
terrylhoweI think Dean looked at #186720 at least19:23
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stevemartrue19:24
terrylhowehis input on some of the later patches would certainly be good.  The first couple I think are pretty simple.19:24
stevemarterrylhowe: what's a filt?19:25
terrylhowefilter maybe?19:25
stevemarhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/210820/1/openstackclient/tests/common/test_context.py19:25
stevemarwrite it out maybe? :P19:25
terrylhowenot sure why I didn’t :)19:26
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terrylhoweIn one of the last patches I added the capability to enable logging for dependencies  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211682/19:28
terrylhowelogging:19:28
terrylhowe        keystoneclient.session: debug19:29
terrylhowefor example19:29
stevemarthats interesting19:29
terrylhoweI thought that might be useful.  It only works in clouds.yaml with that19:29
stevemari see19:29
stevemarfile a bug for that one, if you want19:29
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terrylhoweProbably should get Monty to look at that too.  I wasn’t sure how much interest there would be for that.19:30
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stevemaryep, for sure19:33
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terrylhowehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/148466019:33
openstackLaunchpad bug 1484660 in python-openstackclient "Allow enabling of dependent loggers" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Terry Howe (thowe-g)19:33
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1484660 in python-openstackclient "Allow enabling of dependent loggers" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148466019:33
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1484660 in python-openstackclient "Allow enabling of dependent loggers" [Undecided,In progress]19:33
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terrylhoweanyway, that is about it for logging19:33
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terrylhoweDepending on how that goes, I’d like to look at doing something similar for configuration19:34
stevemarthanks for the bug :D19:34
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stevemaranyone else have another topic?19:35
stevemar#topic bueller?19:35
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stevemarcalling it!19:36
stevemar#endmeeting19:36
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dansmithmriedem: I request you keep this short21:00
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mriedemno21:00
mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug 13 21:00:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
alaskio/21:00
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mriedemmikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal mnestratov kashyap aloga rgeragnov bauzas xyang tpatil med_ nic scottda nagyz dannywilson - please all set calendar reminders21:00
mriedemlazy bones21:00
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scottdahi21:00
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dannywilsonhello21:00
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claudiubo/21:00
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cburgesshere21:00
mriedemhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting21:00
cburgesso/21:00
cburgessor whatever we say now21:00
mriedem#topic releasestatus21:00
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mriedemalright, there is a thing in the agenda saying feature proposal freeze is 8/1821:01
mriedemwhich seems odd to me21:01
mriedemwe're already past feature freeze21:01
mriedemalso, FFE requests were processed last week in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-non-priority-feature-freeze21:01
mriedemso thats probably old news21:01
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mriedemschedule https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#Dates_overview21:02
mriedemliberty-3 is 9/121:02
mriedemi think after that is stringfreeze21:02
mriedemso get your user facing error message changes in before then21:02
mriedemor else21:02
mriedemquestions?21:02
mriedem#topic bugs21:03
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mriedemthe gate is gr821:03
mriedemwell, logstash is behind by 13 hours so we don't know, but seems ok21:03
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mriedemi don't see any critical bugs21:03
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mriedemstable branches are coolio21:03
mriedemat least for nova21:03
mriedemsome other projects are borked21:03
mriedembut meh21:03
mriedemquestions?21:03
* edleafe thinks this will be the fastest meeting ever21:04
mriedem#topic reviewreminders21:04
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mriedem#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking21:04
mriedemreview stuff in there21:04
mriedemi actually dabbled in some of the sub-team stuff earlier in the week21:04
mriedemfor hyper-v bugs21:04
* n0ano wonders if we can have a meeting where mriedem is the only talker21:04
claudiubty :)21:04
mriedemjohn was asking sub-teams to keep high priority bugs in there21:04
mriedemi think garyk was going to do that for vmware21:05
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mriedem#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items21:05
mriedemsummit actions - that all seems old hat21:05
edleafen0ano: sorry, claudiub ruined it. :)21:05
mriedemif you still have summit actions and haven't done them, you're a terrible person21:05
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mriedemquestions?21:05
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mriedem#topic stuckreviews21:05
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mriedemthere are two21:06
mriedem1. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206576/21:06
dansmithonce again,21:06
dansmiththese don't seem stuck21:06
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mriedemnagyz: around?21:06
nagyzyes21:06
mriedemencrypted rbd volumes, go21:06
nagyzthey are stuck in a sense that there is disagreement at least for that.21:06
nagyzthe original code change changes how qemu handles ceph disks21:06
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nagyzinstead of using the native qemu driver for encryption we must first attach it to the hypervisor.21:07
nagyzthus some people think this should merit a spec, some don't21:07
nagyzthus the disagreement21:07
dansmithit doesn't matter about the spec21:07
dansmithit matters if it's a feature or a bug21:07
nagyzthe original meat of the patch is around 10 lines, but due to the volume driver cleanup it has the tests refactored21:07
dansmithand I agree with danpb, that it's a featuer, spec or not21:07
nagyzit's a bug21:07
dansmithit adds a new driver thing, a new entrypoint, etc -> feature, IMHO21:08
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dansmithtitled "add $foo support" -> feature, IMHO21:08
nagyzI can rename it to "fix rbd mapping for encryptors" ;)21:08
dansmithalso depends on an unmerged devstack change21:09
mriedemfor context, the bug was really that the encrypted cinder volumes test was passing in jenkins for ceph, when in fact they weren't encrypted21:09
dansmithwith no traffic all month21:09
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mriedemthe nova and devstack change are intertwined21:09
nagyzdansmith, we cannot merge in the devstack change until this patch is in21:09
nagyzotherwise gate gets b0rked21:09
dansmithwell, you depends-on the devstack change21:09
mriedemi believe we fixed the bug by failing fast that stuff that's not encrypted will fail21:09
dansmithwhich means you can't land nova until the devstack one21:09
nagyzso we can run the ceph tests21:09
mriedemif asked to be created from an encrypted volume type in cinder21:09
nagyzit's a bit... strange. the depends-on doesn't work the other way around21:09
dansmithnagyz: regardless, the way you have it, it won't merge21:10
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nagyzmriedem, right, and currently the ceph encrypted tests are just skipped21:10
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nagyzdansmith, correct, but this was necessary in order to run the patch on the gate. the plan was to remove the depends-on once we agree that it can be merged21:10
mriedemdevstack doesn't run the ceph job,21:10
nagyzand only after merge in the devstack change21:10
mriedemthat's why the depends-on is the way it is21:10
dansmithokay21:10
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mriedemi did confirm that with the change, the encrypted volumes test is passing21:11
dansmithshall I throw my -2 on it to document?21:11
mriedemin the ceph job with that devstack change21:11
nagyzdansmith, without the patch basically nova encryption is pretty useless21:11
mriedemfor rbd21:11
mriedemand many other volume drivers21:11
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nagyzthe only thing it works for is iSCSI21:11
mriedemfc and iscsi work21:11
nagyzat the moment21:11
dansmithlots of features didn't make it21:11
nagyznot sure about FC21:11
nagyzdansmith, it's really about making the rbd volume accessible to the encryptors21:12
dansmiththis patch won't fix FC if it doesn't already work, AFAICT21:12
dansmithanyway, I'll comment on the patch21:12
nagyzcorrect, just saying that the ONLY driver I'm pretty sure it works now is iSCSI21:12
mriedemfibrechannel encryption works21:12
nagyzok, then FC too.21:12
mriedemafter i fixed compute.filters21:12
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mriedemfc == fibrechannel so that we're on the same page :)21:13
nagyzaccording to the survey, ceph is ~50% of the cinder usage21:13
nagyzas underlying storage21:13
cburgessNot sure if it matters but I know a number of operators who have wanted encryption so it would be a "nice to have" for some of us.21:13
mriedemyeah, but we also didn't approve nic's snapshot improvement after FF21:13
nicNope21:14
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cburgessThat one too but... yeah... FF21:14
nagyzcburgess, it should matter. hopefully.21:14
nagyzwithout the flattening, snapshotting still works.21:14
nagyzwithout this patch encryption with ceph doesn't work21:14
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mriedemi think danpb had some other design concerns in the change21:14
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cburgessWorks is relative... as long as you have as much disk available locally to hold the snapshot as you do in CEPH then you are golden. So for all practical use cases it doesn't work.21:15
mriedemso those would at least have to be reconciled before i think we could talk about allowing this into liberty21:15
mriedemwe need to move on21:15
nagyzmriedem, and I'm happy to work on the patch to shape it into whatever gets acceptable.21:15
nagyzif there's a change we can get it into L21:15
mriedemnagyz: so you have the todo to talk to danpb about it i guess, but if he's not in favor then i think it's a dead end21:16
mriedemfor liberty i mean21:16
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mriedemmoving on21:16
nagyzhe categorically denied support for L21:16
nagyzok.21:16
mriedemdannywilson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205726/ - discard support, go21:16
dannywilsonI updated the review with more detail in commit message21:16
mriedemdanpb was +2 on ^21:16
dannywilsonand added version check as well for min qemu version21:16
mriedemthere was a related cinder change that made L to set the discard flag21:16
mriedemso the question is, do we allow this in nova in liberty to use what cinder is providing21:17
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mriedemit's still a bp imo21:17
mriedemdoesn't need a spec21:17
mriedemthere was a cinder spec21:17
mriedemgiven it's a bp and given precedent on not allowing bp's in after the freeze,21:18
mriedemi'm inclined to tow that line21:18
dannywilsontoo late for FFE?  thingee and jgriffith were for getting it in21:18
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mriedemFFE deadline passed a couple of week sago21:18
dansmithI think it's squarely a feature21:18
dannywilsongotcha21:18
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mriedemso it sucks,21:19
dansmithit's a little more in the main path and smaller, but we have to draw the line somewhere and this doesn't seem to fit any of the guidelines for breaking rules21:19
dansmith...he says as if there are guidelines21:19
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mriedemyeah, we have to be equal opportunity offenders imo21:19
dansmithyup21:19
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dannywilsonunderstood, thanks for talking about it and I will get it in for M21:20
jgriffithbummer... thanks anyway21:20
mriedemcool21:20
mriedemany more stuck reviews?21:20
dansmithdannywilson: should be super trivial for early in M.. feel free to ping me21:20
mriedemno?21:20
mriedemok21:20
mriedem#topic opendiscussion21:20
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dannywilsondansmith: thanks21:20
mriedemjohn had this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198622/6/specs/liberty/approved/add-vif-net-id-in-vif-list.rst,cm21:20
mriedem"its a spec for an API bug fix, about the v2 compatibility mode being broken, seems we should merge this one"21:20
alaskiI asked him to add that one21:20
alaskiit's an API change, but it's also a regression21:21
mriedemjohn is +2 on it, sdague and kenichi are +121:21
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dansmiththis is the thing we talked about at midcycle, right?21:21
mriedemalaski: so i guess it's a spec b/c we've said spec for all api changes?21:21
alaskimriedem: right21:21
dansmithI thought there was more to be done to get it right.. was that done?21:21
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mriedem"Thanks for working on hard on finding a good compromise here. I think this looks good."21:21
mriedemlooks like it21:21
dansmithoh, no, this is not that, nevermind21:21
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mriedem#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/147069021:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1470690 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "No 'OS-EXT-VIF-NET' extension in v2.1" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann)21:22
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mriedemthat's the bug fwiw21:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1470690 in nova "No 'OS-EXT-VIF-NET' extension in v2.1" [High,In progress]21:22
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1470690 in nova "No 'OS-EXT-VIF-NET' extension in v2.1" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147069021:22
alaskiI'm fine moving forward on this because it is a regression, but it is well past the deadline21:22
mriedemyeah, this seems like an exceptional case however21:22
dansmithyeah21:23
mriedemand this isn't a feature add21:23
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mriedemthe spec appears to be purely for process21:23
mriedemso seems fine to me21:23
dansmithyep, just docs21:23
alaskiyep21:23
alaskiokay, I'll approve then21:23
mriedemok21:23
alaskithanks21:23
mriedemany other open discussion?21:23
tonybmriedem: I added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127427/21:24
melwittdo the tempest jobs catch these kind of regressions?21:24
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mriedemmelwitt: i guess not in this case?21:24
dansmithmelwitt: should != do21:24
mriedemmelwitt: we should dig into that though since we have a v2.1 job21:24
alaskimelwitt: not if it's unused, which this must be for tempest21:24
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mriedemi know we don't have upper bounds testing on v2.1 yet21:24
dansmithwe should also catch this with api samples, right?21:25
mriedemyeah, tempest doesn't have great n-net specific api testing21:25
melwittokay. was just thinking about if there might be more of these and how we can catch them21:25
mriedemthere is a QA meetup mid september that kenich is going to, and i'm trying to go to21:25
mriedemso we could add it there as a thing to cover - i know microversoin testing for nova will be covered21:25
mriedem*ken'ichi21:25
mriedemtonyb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127427/ - go21:26
tonybmriedem: It's not mine21:26
mriedemyeah21:26
mriedemtjones: perma rebase21:26
tonybmriedem: but it's one that need to rebased very often21:26
mriedemso it's a request for review21:26
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tonybjust wanted to ask for some reviws from @core21:26
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tonybmriedem: Yeah21:26
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mriedemalright21:27
dansmithdone?21:27
mriedemanything else for open discussion?21:27
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mriedemnope21:27
dansmithmove to adjourn with extreme prejudice21:27
mriedemok, thanks, fin.21:27
mriedem#endmeeting21:27
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edleafego mriedem!21:28
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