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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 08:00:28 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | raise your hand if you are here for the third party meeting | 08:00 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: hello | 08:31 |
| anteaya | so I hold two third-party meetings per week, one on Monday's at 1500 | 08:31 |
| anteaya | and one on Tuesdays at 0800 | 08:31 |
| anteaya | you have good timing | 08:31 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: hello, issue is resolved | 08:32 |
| anteaya | great | 08:32 |
| anteaya | can you tell me what you did to fix it? | 08:32 |
| anteaya | then others can read the logs and find out as well | 08:32 |
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| eantyshev | enough to replace SCP publisher plugin with customized | 08:33 |
| anteaya | where did you find the customized plugin? | 08:34 |
| eantyshev | that latest link, thanks to asselin: #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/ci/ | 08:34 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:35 |
| anteaya | you read the logs after you left Monday's meeting? | 08:35 |
| eantyshev | wonder how did I get original version | 08:35 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: yes, just had to go then | 08:36 |
| anteaya | ah I see okay | 08:36 |
| anteaya | next time, can you let me know? | 08:36 |
| anteaya | I thought I had hurt your feelings, so you left | 08:36 |
| anteaya | I felt bad | 08:36 |
| anteaya | as that wasn't my intention | 08:36 |
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| eantyshev | sorry for sudden leave, just had to go, that's all | 08:36 |
| anteaya | sure | 08:37 |
| anteaya | thanks for coming back | 08:37 |
| anteaya | and you let us know you found a fix | 08:37 |
| anteaya | yay | 08:37 |
| anteaya | so as I recall the underlying issue is that devstack wasn't working for you | 08:37 |
| anteaya | have you made any progress there? | 08:37 |
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| eantyshev | I execute devstack in rather special environment, testing our custom virtualization platform, so it fails predictably | 08:39 |
| anteaya | ah | 08:40 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:40 |
| anteaya | and now you have logs to tell you about your expected failures | 08:40 |
| anteaya | good enough | 08:40 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: is there anything else you would like to discuss about your system right now? | 08:44 |
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| eantyshev | anteaya: got banned in openstack/nova for misbehaving CI, acting by my creadentials | 08:50 |
| anteaya | banned? | 08:50 |
| anteaya | ah you are the one we emailed | 08:50 |
| anteaya | we disabled your ci account, we didn't ban you | 08:51 |
| anteaya | glad you came back to learn how to play nice | 08:51 |
| anteaya | thank you | 08:51 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:51 |
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| eantyshev | anteaya: measures have been taken, now it has own creds: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Parallels_PCS6_CI | 08:53 |
| anteaya | yay | 08:53 |
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| anteaya | and please add your irc nick to the contact information there | 08:54 |
| anteaya | then we know who to try to ping when we have a question | 08:54 |
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| anteaya | we only emailed you because it was a very odd circumstance | 08:54 |
| anteaya | normally I dno't email anyone, just disable if I have to and then post to third party announce | 08:54 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: we are almost out of time | 08:58 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: at least you know how to find 2 meetings a week if you want them | 08:58 |
| anteaya | also be sure to attend the nova weekly meeting and be active in the -nova channel | 08:59 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: introduce yourself to dims | 08:59 |
| anteaya | and I'm going to end the meeting | 08:59 |
| anteaya | thanks eantyshev, glad you returned | 09:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 09:00:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-07-08.00.html | 09:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-07-08.00.txt | 09:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-04-07-08.00.log.html | 09:00 |
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| mestery | hi | 13:59 |
| yamamoto | hi | 13:59 |
| marun | Hi | 13:59 |
| neiljerram | o/ | 13:59 |
| obondarev | o/ | 13:59 |
| hichihara | hi | 13:59 |
| amotoki | hi | 13:59 |
| jlibosva | hi | 13:59 |
| enikanorov_ | hi | 13:59 |
| fawadkhaliq | hello! | 13:59 |
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| HenryG | \o | 13:59 |
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| rackertom | o/ | 14:00 |
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| rkukura | hi | 14:00 |
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| banix | Hi | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 14:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:00 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 14:00 |
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| mestery | #info We'll be cutting the Kilo RC on Thursday at this point, barring any bugs which lapse into Friday from the RC1 list. | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 14:01 |
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| sc68cal | o/ | 14:01 |
| mestery | We'll cover the RC1 bugs after announcements | 14:01 |
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| mestery | #info Neutron mid-cycle set for June 24-26 in Fort Collins, CO | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060713.html | 14:01 |
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| mestery | The RC is the main focus right now, so lets jump into the RC bugs before continuing with the rest of the agenda. | 14:02 |
| mestery | #topic Kilo RC Bug Scrub | 14:02 |
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| mestery | The link again: | 14:02 |
| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 14:02 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1434667 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1434667 in neutron "VLAN transparent feature cleanup" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to pritesh (pritesh) | 14:02 |
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| mestery | amotoki: Looks like you're good with this one so far, pending Jenkins. | 14:03 |
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| amotoki | mestery: yes | 14:03 |
| mestery | pritesh has been iterating on it, so I think this one looks to be in good shape. | 14:03 |
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| mestery | amotoki: thanks! | 14:03 |
| amotoki | some discussion point related to ml2 plugins is remaining but we can address separately | 14:04 |
| salv-orlando | amotoki: did pritesh remove the config option at the end? | 14:04 |
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| amotoki | salv-orlando: no so far. I think we can remove in a follow-up patch. | 14:04 |
| salv-orlando | if that's ok for you it works for me... if pritesh won't do that, I will ;) | 14:04 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1438969 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1438969 in neutron "Newly created DVR router as a result of new VM does not get ARP neighbors update, new VM has no connectivity" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio) | 14:05 |
| HenryG | pritesh is being very responsive so he could do it today I am sure | 14:05 |
| mestery | I know armax took this one over and was working on some tests for this one yet | 14:05 |
| mestery | I'll ping armax when he wakes up later :) | 14:05 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1440183 | 14:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440183 in neutron "DBDeadlock on subnet allocation" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Dane LeBlanc (leblancd) | 14:05 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: How is this one coming? | 14:05 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: this is the one where I'm being a pita | 14:05 |
| dane_leblanc | mestery: I've got 2 patches out for review | 14:05 |
| mestery | lol | 14:06 |
| mestery | I know enikanorov also was looking at this one. | 14:06 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Can you explain more? | 14:06 |
| mestery | Do you have concerns on the approach being taken? | 14:06 |
| dane_leblanc | mestery: Either seems to fix the problem, not sure if we want both merged. | 14:06 |
| enikanorov_ | dane_leblanc: right now the patch only fixes single worker case | 14:06 |
| enikanorov_ | dane_leblanc: do you think it would be too different to add retrying logic there? | 14:06 |
| enikanorov_ | the concern is that nobody uses neutron in single worker mode | 14:06 |
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| salv-orlando | nope... it's just that a catch on DBReferenceError appeared, but it's not clear exactly how a concurrent allocation might cause that. I am simply looking for a clarification | 14:07 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Ack | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov_ | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOiBcIihJbnRlZ3JpdHlFcnJvcikgaW5zZXJ0IG9yIHVwZGF0ZSBvbiB0YWJsZSBcXFwiaXBhbGxvY2F0aW9uc1xcXCJcIiIsImZpZWxkcyI6W10sIm9mZnNldCI6MCwidGltZWZyYW1lIjoiODY0MDAiLCJncmFwaG1vZGUiOiJjb3VudCIsInRpbWUiOnsidXNlcl9pbnRlcnZhbCI6MH0sInN0YW1wIjoxNDI4NDE0ODE5NzczfQ== | 14:07 |
| salv-orlando | I pointed that out in the review, and eventually I'll find 30 minutes to look at the logs myself | 14:07 |
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| dane_leblanc | enikanorov: Retrying will help the multi neutron node? | 14:07 |
| enikanorov_ | just another manifestation of the issue | 14:07 |
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| enikanorov_ | dane_leblanc: look at IntegrityError by the link above | 14:08 |
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| salv-orlando | I'm not sure how many bugs there are there then | 14:08 |
| enikanorov_ | your solution would fix that for single server, but for multuiple servers it will not work | 14:08 |
| salv-orlando | because I followed the discussion and the fingers was pointed against the lock wait timeout issue, now enikanorov_ is suggesting there is also a genuine concurrency issue? | 14:08 |
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| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: i'm surprised too :) | 14:09 |
| salv-orlando | sorry, by "lock wait timeout" I meant "the funny eventlet thing" | 14:09 |
| dane_leblanc | salv-orlando: Yes. For some reason, the previous delete transaction finished... | 14:09 |
| enikanorov_ | salv-orlando: btw, its postgres, so no eventlet issues | 14:09 |
| dane_leblanc | but the next create-subnet transaction is finding an entry in the port table | 14:09 |
| enikanorov_ | its postgres - i mean failure with IntegrityError | 14:09 |
| dane_leblanc | An entry that should be deleted at that point. | 14:10 |
| salv-orlando | enikanorov_: thanks. So it could actually be a dirty read | 14:10 |
| salv-orlando | (if it happens only with postgres) | 14:10 |
| enikanorov_ | it's usual race with allocation imo | 14:11 |
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| salv-orlando | I start to understand now. The follow up question however is... what is the greenthread lock protecting us against? | 14:11 |
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| enikanorov_ | it's protecting us against correct solution :) | 14:12 |
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| salv-orlando | anyway, mestery is probably hating us for wasting precious meeting time. I guess we can sort this out by the end of the day. | 14:12 |
| mestery | lol | 14:12 |
| salv-orlando | on gerrit and openstack-neutron | 14:12 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: It's not a problem, the RC is the main thing and this bug is targeted there :) | 14:12 |
| mestery | But yes, gerrit and #openstack-neutron seem appropriate now. | 14:13 |
| mestery | So, lets move on to th next bug | 14:13 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1274034 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1274034 in neutron "Neutron firewall anti-spoofing does not prevent ARP poisoning" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:13 |
| mestery | kevinbenton has a potential arp poisining fix using OVS | 14:13 |
| mestery | I'm not sure we'll block the release on this, but for now, his fix is elegant enough it's worth looking at | 14:13 |
| mestery | yamamoto has already reviewed this (thanks!) I know | 14:13 |
| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/171003 | 14:14 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery you actually used hackish and elegant in the same sentence!?! | 14:14 |
| mestery | lol | 14:14 |
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| mestery | kevinbenton is keen on seeing a fix for this in Kilo, so lets see what we can do today | 14:15 |
| mestery | Next up | 14:15 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1438329 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1438329 in neutron "Example configuration files lack changes for Kilo" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Edgar Magana (emagana) | 14:15 |
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| mestery | emagana has proposed a change to update our neutron.conf file which was out of date a bit | 14:15 |
| mestery | In Liberty, we should move to auto-generating this like nova does, but for now, this is the fix we have | 14:15 |
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| mestery | #link https://review.openstack.org/171059 | 14:16 |
| mestery | Please review and provide feedback | 14:16 |
| mestery | Next up | 14:16 |
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| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1439817 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439817 in neutron "IP set full error in kernel log" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 14:16 |
| mestery | This one is in the merge queue, thanks to haleyb for grabbing it by the horns and driving it to completion! | 14:16 |
| mestery | And finally we have this one | 14:17 |
| mestery | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1440824 | 14:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1440824 in neutron "Restricting shell scripts to sh only kills productivity" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Maru Newby (maru) | 14:17 |
| mestery | marun: Did you want to discuss this one here now? | 14:17 |
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| mestery | I know you put it on the agenda for later | 14:17 |
| mestery | But lets cover it here if you're ok with that. | 14:17 |
| marun | Is yamamoto here to advocate for non-bash? | 14:17 |
| mestery | I saw him earlier, yes. | 14:17 |
| yamamoto | marun: hi | 14:17 |
| marun | Or is there anyone else that thinks we should be restricting outselves to sh? | 14:17 |
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| marun | yamamoto: hi | 14:17 |
| marun | yamamoto: I've been adding a lot of bash scripts lately. | 14:18 |
| ihrachyshka | if it's dev only, go safely with bash | 14:18 |
| marun | yamamoto: They are dev only, yes | 14:18 |
| salv-orlando | I am ok with maru's proposal. | 14:18 |
| marun | yamamoto: Is the concern with non-dev bash scripts? | 14:18 |
| mestery | ++ to marun's proposal | 14:18 |
| yamamoto | marun: bash makes my life a little harder but it won't kill me | 14:18 |
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| ihrachyshka | bash is not the worst test dep we have after all | 14:19 |
| mestery | OK, so I tihnk we have agreement to merge that patch marun. | 14:19 |
| ihrachyshka | test -> dev | 14:19 |
| marun | ok | 14:19 |
| markmcclain | devstack requires bash, so there's already a clear precedence for it in dev envs | 14:19 |
| mestery | #agreed We'll move forward with allowing bash scripts | 14:19 |
| HenryG | yay | 14:20 |
| mestery | OK, we made it through the RC bugs. | 14:20 |
| mestery | If anyone finds a new blocking bug in the next few days, please reach out and let me know. | 14:20 |
| mestery | I'm not saying we'll have an RC2, but our history indicates we may | 14:20 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: I did not see any blocking bug. We've move all core api changes to extension, so I guess we're good | 14:20 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Ack, and thanks! | 14:20 |
| salv-orlando | The only remark is that subnet pools are a "mock extension" | 14:21 |
| mestery | I had gone through and scrubbed all critical/high bugs a few weeks back as well | 14:21 |
| salv-orlando | meaning that even if they're not marked as supported, the API resources are still there. Is anyone annoyed by that? | 14:21 |
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| salv-orlando | If yes, we can sort that out with a quick patch. | 14:21 |
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| amotoki | i am okay with it. most plugins consume subnet impl from db plugin. | 14:22 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Did you want to propose the quick patch and we can review in gerrit? Or it's not even worth it if no one complains? | 14:22 |
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| salv-orlando | for what amotoki said we're talking about 1 plugin only (of the known ones) | 14:22 |
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| salv-orlando | then I cannot speak for other off-tree plugins of which we are not aware | 14:23 |
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| mestery | OK | 14:23 |
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| mestery | OK, lets move on now. | 14:23 |
| mestery | Lets skip bugs/docs today in interest of keeping the meeting short to focus on the RC | 14:24 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:24 |
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| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-summit-topics | 14:24 |
| mestery | Liberty Summit etherpad link ^^^ | 14:24 |
| mestery | We'll begin digging into that in earnest next week once the RC is out | 14:24 |
| mestery | Please continue posting ideas there though | 14:25 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks everyone, lets keep the focus on the RC bugs for the next two days. | 14:26 |
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| mestery | Kilo is almost baked, lets make sure it smells good too. ;) | 14:26 |
| mestery | See you all next week and on IRC/ML! | 14:26 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 14:26:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-04-07-14.00.html | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-04-07-14.00.txt | 14:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-04-07-14.00.log.html | 14:26 |
| vikram | bye | 14:26 |
| yamamoto | bye | 14:26 |
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| fawadk | bye! | 14:27 |
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| marun | ciao | 14:28 |
| ajo | byee :) | 14:28 |
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| amotoki | bye, night | 14:28 |
| ajo | night amotoki :) | 14:29 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 15:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
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| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
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| bauzas | \o | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, tnx, I was beginning to think there was a problem with my IRC client (no activity on #openstack-nova for over 15 min :-) | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | lol | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I was working on a cells job, so I missed the first 2 mins :) | 15:03 |
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| bauzas | we can maybe wait for others :) | 15:03 |
| n0ano | NP, if it's just you and I (me?) we can do this pretty quick | 15:03 |
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| n0ano | I think edleafe said he would be away this week | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | oh ok | 15:04 |
| bauzas | Paul seems also offline | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | okay, the next people who says "o/" gets a free beer for Vancouver | 15:05 |
| * bauzas trying new ways to get people interested | 15:05 | |
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| n0ano | and alex_xu is normally prompt | 15:05 |
| * n0ano considers logging off and then back on - free beer | 15:06 | |
| bauzas | eh, just change your nick then ;) | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | #info edleafe gets a free beer at Vancouver | 15:06 |
| n0ano | edleafe, quick, type o/ and you get a free beer :-) | 15:06 |
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| edleafe | \o/ | 15:06 |
| edleafe | o/ | 15:07 |
| bauzas | 2 hands doesn't mean 2 beers | 15:07 |
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| edleafe | I was being greedy | 15:07 |
| edleafe | :) | 15:07 |
| bauzas | okay, 3 of us | 15:07 |
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| n0ano | OK, let's be semi-serious | 15:07 |
| n0ano | #topic gantt - what's in a name | 15:07 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: see ^ for your gift | 15:07 |
| n0ano | I think we beat this to death on the mailing list | 15:08 |
| bauzas | n0ano: yeah... | 15:08 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yeah! | 15:08 |
| edleafe | n0ano: pretty much | 15:08 |
| bauzas | n0ano: sounds like we got an agreement, nope ? | 15:08 |
| bauzas | I don't like to say that Gantt is dead, just that the repo is *dead* | 15:08 |
| bauzas | or freezed, even better | 15:08 |
| bauzas | argh | 15:08 |
| bauzas | freezed/frozen | 15:09 |
| n0ano | I think so, I will still send out emails with `gantt' in the subject just so I don't have to change my mailer rules but yes, the repo is frozen and make sure people are aware that scheduler work is ongoing | 15:09 |
| * bauzas even if I have a 4yo daughter who likes Disney | 15:09 | |
| bauzas | n0ano: yeah... at least we are clear | 15:09 |
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| * n0ano has a 23 year old daughter who likes Disney | 15:09 | |
| n0ano | so, moving on... | 15:10 |
| n0ano | #topic patch status | 15:10 |
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| edleafe | I got my little bug fix patch merged last week | 15:10 |
| bauzas | nothing really serious from me | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: link ? | 15:10 |
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| n0ano | I have to say I'm a little confused, we're well beyond FF but Paul's remaining 4 patches haven't been -2'd, can they still be merged? | 15:11 |
| edleafe | bauzas: https://review.openstack.org/165849 | 15:11 |
| bauzas | n0ano: don't think so, RC1 is Thrus | 15:11 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: it's kinda delayed to Liberty | 15:11 |
| edleafe | yeah, those are Liberty now | 15:12 |
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| n0ano | that was my thought, so we can not worry about discussing these until after Vancouver | 15:12 |
| n0ano | sadly, new development is mostly on hiatus until then | 15:12 |
| bauzas | n0ano: just to be clear, Liberty should be open soon | 15:13 |
| n0ano | bauzas, it'll be open but the reality is the cores will be too busy finalizing Kilo to review any Liberty patches until after Vancouver | 15:13 |
| edleafe | bauzas: as soon as they cut RC1? | 15:13 |
| bauzas | n0ano: once setup.cfg bumps its version, it means it's Liberty time | 15:14 |
| bauzas | edleafe: not exactly | 15:14 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's mikal's duty to provide a patch for updating setup.Cfg | 15:14 |
| edleafe | I saw ttx post a patch for that today | 15:14 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I don't exactly know where but somewhere between RC1 and Vancouver | 15:14 |
| edleafe | and promptly got -2'ed | 15:15 |
| bauzas | edleafe: then once it's merged, we will be in L | 15:15 |
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| ttx | its a placeholder for ptl to approve rc1 | 15:15 |
| bauzas | edleafe: link (again) ? | 15:15 |
| bauzas | yeah, that's what I explained above $ | 15:15 |
| bauzas | ^ | 15:15 |
| edleafe | sec - on a call | 15:15 |
| ttx | once that merges, master is on liberty and unfrozen | 15:15 |
| bauzas | ttx: I was saying it was expected somewhere between rc1 and may | 15:16 |
| ttx | and kilo release branch is cut from previous commit | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | ttx: I was thinking the release candidates dance was done on a separate branch ? | 15:16 |
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| bauzas | ttx: so that it was cut soon after RC1 landing | 15:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171078/ | 15:17 |
| ttx | yes done on proposed/kilo once rc1 is cut | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | ttx: okay | 15:17 |
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| bauzas | edleafe: thanks | 15:18 |
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| n0ano | ttx, will there be an official announcement that Liberty is open or do we just monitor setup.cfg? | 15:18 |
| bauzas | ttx: thanks for clarifying this | 15:18 |
| bauzas | n0ano: I would assume it would be mikal's duty again :) | 15:18 |
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| n0ano | I'll probably just wait for both :-) | 15:19 |
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| ttx | n0ano: there will be a post | 15:19 |
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| ttx | n0ano: just like the recent heat rc1 one | 15:19 |
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| n0ano | ttx, makes sense, tnx | 15:19 |
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| n0ano | moving on... | 15:19 |
| n0ano | #topic Vancouver sessions | 15:20 |
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| n0ano | I note there's an etherpad up and we have a entry for the scheduler but no meat behind it yet | 15:20 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: yup | 15:21 |
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| n0ano | we should update the etherpad with ideas (migration strategy, cleanup issues, split process,...) whatever we can think of | 15:23 |
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| n0ano | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 15:25 |
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| n0ano | hearing silence on this... | 15:26 |
| n0ano | #topic opens | 15:26 |
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| n0ano | anything new for today? | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: honestly, nothing atm | 15:27 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we're these days on bugfixing for RC1 | 15:27 |
| n0ano | bauzas, +1 | 15:27 |
| edleafe | +1 | 15:27 |
| bauzas | so that's pretty silent | 15:27 |
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| n0ano | in that case, tnx everyone, we'll talk next week (and before) | 15:28 |
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| n0ano | #endmeeting | 15:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 15:28:07 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-07-15.00.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-07-15.00.txt | 15:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gantt/2015/gantt.2015-04-07-15.00.log.html | 15:28 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 17:01:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: rally)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:01 |
| boris-42 | oanufriev: msdubov meteorfox ping | 17:01 |
| meteorfox | o/ | 17:02 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: hi htere | 17:02 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ping | 17:05 |
| msdubov | boris-42 hi! | 17:05 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 17:05 |
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| oanufriev | hi | 17:05 |
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| rook | boris-42: Here :D | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | rook: nice) | 17:07 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: around? | 17:07 |
| e0ne | boris-42: yep | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | okay I believe we can start?) | 17:07 |
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| e0ne | rally meeting? | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: yep | 17:07 |
| boris-42 | #topic Rally stackforge->openstack | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | okay seems like most of TC are already ready to add Rally to OpenStack | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169357/ | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | ^ I had to rebase and rephrase it a bit but in history most of TC are ok | 17:08 |
| e0ne | awesome! congrats | 17:08 |
| meteorfox | awesome | 17:09 |
| boris-42 | so that's actually very nice news=) | 17:09 |
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| rook | outstanding! | 17:09 |
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| msdubov | boris-42:congrats! | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: rook meteorfox e0ne so today in 3 hours they will make final decision | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | there will be TC meeting in this chat | 17:11 |
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| meteorfox | cool, I'll be around. I hope it gets in | 17:11 |
| boris-42 | ok | 17:12 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Online Bash competition & making Rally start fast | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | So we have deep issues with Rally | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | it takes about 600-700ms to start rally | 17:13 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: do you meant completion? | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | rally ta<tab> | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: ^ | 17:14 |
| meteorfox | ok, yeah. then 'completion' it is. I was confused, I thought there was some kind of contest or something | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: yep=) | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | completion* | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | so we can't make it online* | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | it has to be hardcoded and not generate online | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | to fix this I created tool | 17:15 |
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| boris-42 | https://github.com/boris-42/profimp | 17:15 |
| boris-42 | ^ so we can analyze what is imported so long and optimize rally imports | 17:15 |
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| meteorfox | cool! | 17:16 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: so it allows to trace imports and some of libs already used it | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: rootwrap and keystone to make their imports faster | 17:17 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: this will be useful for other projects, I wasn't aware this existed. thanks man! | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: hehe=) | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: star it=) | 17:18 |
| meteorfox | just did | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | okay so we are going to imporve rally | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | make it start fast | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | and implement online bash completition | 17:19 |
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| meteorfox | is there an example of how to use it? | 17:19 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: readme | 17:19 |
| rook | thought I saw a example on the main page? | 17:19 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: yep just scroll page | 17:20 |
| meteorfox | right, I meant more as a library | 17:20 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: ?) | 17:20 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: nevermind, I can figure out | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: you mean use profimp as a lib? | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: from profimp import main | 17:21 |
| meteorfox | boris-42: yeah, I saw I can use trace_module() | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | main.trace_module() | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | thta's all that you need to know=) | 17:22 |
| meteorfox | yep yep | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | it will return json | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | actually no it will return root instance of TracePoint | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | it has to_dict() method | 17:22 |
| meteorfox | nifty | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | okay | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | let's move to next topic | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | #topic Important changes | 17:23 |
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| boris-42 | we restore abbility to use boot_runcommand_delete with fixed ip | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: thanks ^ | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | Add new tutorial | 17:24 |
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| boris-42 | https://rally.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tutorial/step_8_task_templates.html | 17:24 |
| boris-42 | Now SSL configuration is per deployment not per rally.conf | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | and rally.conf one is deprecated | 17:25 |
| boris-42 | As well OS_ENDPOINT is recognized in rally deployment --fromenv | 17:25 |
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| boris-42 | As well we merged bunch of new benchmarks | 17:26 |
| boris-42 | So that is all for this week | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | Next topic?) | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | any questions? | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: rook & | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | ^ | 17:28 |
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| meteorfox | nope | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | okay | 17:28 |
| rook | has anyone played much with rps? | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | rook: so I played a bit | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | rook: but seems like we have some issues with it | 17:29 |
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| rook | I personally havent, but members who I work with have seen some problems... where Rally doesn't catch a guest went into ERROR state (vmtask specifically). | 17:29 |
| rook | boris-42: ah ok. | 17:29 |
| rook | boris-42: I was going to have him open a BZ | 17:29 |
| boris-42 | rook: oh nope | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | rook: I was talking about issues related with proper load generation | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | rook: not such | 17:30 |
| rook | ITER: 0 END: Error TimeoutException: Rally tired waiting for unicode u'10.35.180.25':<no id> to become <function _ping_ip_address at 0x2d3d6e0> current status NONE | 17:30 |
| rook | ^ example boris-42 | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | rook: so this is ok | 17:30 |
| rook | Guest was in ERROR state, but Running | 17:30 |
| boris-42 | rook: it can't ping VM it is not related to runner | 17:30 |
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| boris-42 | rook: what do you mean by Running?) | 17:31 |
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| rook | boris-42: Status was ERROR, Power State was Running | 17:31 |
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| rook | | c31dff3b-a03b-41e2-9799-cb9cc35a79ea | sriov | ACTIVE | - | Running | net=10.0.0.7 | | 17:32 |
| rook | ^ Example where things are "good" | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | rook: ITER: 0 END: Error TimeoutException: Rally tired waiting for unicode u'10.35.180.25':<no id> to become <function _ping_ip_address at 0x2d3d6e0> current status NONE | 17:32 |
| boris-42 | 17:32 | |
| boris-42 | ^ This means that Rally tired wating to ping VM | 17:32 |
| rook | Right, but that guest was in ERROR state... | 17:32 |
| rook | I personally haven't investigated this much | 17:33 |
| rook | i was curious if others have seen where rps causes failures. | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | rook: it can't be related to rps | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | rook: the bug may be in vm task boot and run command | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | rook: scenario | 17:33 |
| rook | possibly... I need to play with it some | 17:33 |
| boris-42 | rook: ok | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | let's move to next topic | 17:34 |
| boris-42 | #topic Release 0.0.3 is coming | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | I am going to cut on this week new release | 17:34 |
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| boris-42 | I will try to finish support of existing users before cut of new releae | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | rook: oanufriev amaretskiy msdubov ^ | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | meteorfox: ^ | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | anything?) | 17:36 |
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| meteorfox | nope, the comments I had regarding the 'sigma test' for the outliers, I left them in the patch itself. I think it should be discussed there | 17:36 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov: did you see those comments? | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | meteorfox: ^ | 17:37 |
| msdubov | boris-42 What else should be completed before 0.0.3? | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: I believe only existing users | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | but they can be even done after | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | as well this patch is interesting | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170160/ | 17:37 |
| pradeep | any link we have for 0.0.3 items? | 17:38 |
| msdubov | boris-42:Yes, I saw it. Maybe also "task abort" in 0.0.3? | 17:38 |
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| boris-42 | pradeep: not yet but let we discuss this in next topic | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: heh not sure if we finish it before existing users and get merged | 17:39 |
| pradeep | sure | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 17:39 |
| boris-42 | #topic How to make simple to understand what is important for next release | 17:39 |
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| e0ne | boris-42: may be we'll complete 2 more scenarios for cinder this week | 17:39 |
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| boris-42 | e0ne: ok | 17:40 |
| e0ne | one is ready for review | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | So I have idea | 17:40 |
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| boris-42 | it was actually redixin | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | idea | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | To make one blueprint | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | in launchpad | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | "important-for-next-release" and add it to commit messages | 17:40 |
| boris-42 | so we will have page with all patches that are important-for-next-release | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: e0ne meteorfox rook pradeep ^ | 17:41 |
| e0ne | interesting... | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: regarding to cinder benchmarks | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | e0ne: okay we will take a look | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/important-for-next-release | 17:41 |
| e0ne | boris-42: thanks! | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | ^ So actually I created such BP already | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | but we are not using it | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | ye | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | yet* | 17:42 |
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| msdubov | boris-42: I like this idea, redixin thanks for this | 17:42 |
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| pradeep | boris-42: its nice | 17:43 |
| pradeep | idea | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | okay then after cutting next release we will start adding this bp to all important patches | 17:43 |
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| boris-42 | any other comments? | 17:46 |
| * rook needs to catch up! ;) | 17:47 | |
| msdubov | boris-42: Will we use only one bluepirnt? | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: yep | 17:47 |
| msdubov | boris-42:Maybe better one BP for each release? | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: nope | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov: because if decided to not merge important for release 0.0.x in 0.0.x | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | we will need to update commit message | 17:47 |
| msdubov | boris-42: I see | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | msdubov: as well I am not sure that it will be easy to predict version of rally always | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move | 17:51 |
| boris-42 | #topic open dicussion | 17:51 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: msdubov meteorfox rook pradeep anything to discuss?) | 17:51 |
| rook | Since I am behind on things, is there any work on creating a Rally API ? | 17:52 |
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| boris-42 | rook: so yep | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | rook: here is rally api (as a lib) https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/rally/api.py | 17:53 |
| boris-42 | rook: and we are going to add more methods like list and show to it | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | rook: and remove rally.objects usages from rally.cli | 17:54 |
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| * rook will check it out. | 17:54 | |
| rook | thanks boris-42 | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | rally.cmd* | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | rook: so basically on top of rally.api we will create a tinny translator HTTP-2-API | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | rook: so we will have as well rally as a service | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | rook: okay | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | so let's finish meeting | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | see you | 17:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 17:58:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-07-17.01.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-07-17.01.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-04-07-17.01.log.html | 17:58 |
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| ayoung | Hi De Ho! Keystone Away! | 18:00 |
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| topol | o/ | 18:00 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | Will be starting in 2mins or so. | 18:00 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:01 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, coffee shop line? | 18:01 |
| gyee | meanwhile, listen to music while you wait | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | hi keystoners :) | 18:01 |
| tmcpeak | o/ | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton, lhcheng, nonameentername, samueldmq, htruta, amolock, wanghong, fmarco76, davechen, dim | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | hi | 18:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:01 |
| amakarov | hi! | 18:01 |
| ajayaa | o/ | 18:01 |
| rharwood | \o/ | 18:01 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: o/ | 18:01 |
| gyee | \o | 18:02 |
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| ayoung | ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐ | 18:02 |
| stevemar | dance time: \o\ /o/ \o\ /o/ | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:02 |
| gyee | ayoung ftw! | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | And yeah. At the coffee shop getting caffeine ;) | 18:02 |
| stevemar | ugh fire alarm... i might have to go | 18:03 |
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| topol | stevemar, in your condo??? | 18:03 |
| bknudson | don't try to be a hero stevemar. | 18:03 |
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| gyee | heh | 18:03 |
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| topol | grab the laptop. grab the laptop! | 18:03 |
| henrynash | stevemar: door…run… | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | topol: but it's too heavy!!! | 18:04 |
| gyee | his laptop started the fire | 18:04 |
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| amakarov | lbragstad, mainframe? 0_o | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | Ok | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting keystone | 18:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 18:04:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | gyee: ++ fact | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | Hi everyone! | 18:05 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:05 |
| tmcpeak | heya | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic house keeping | 18:05 |
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| henrynash | (thinks….who’s handle is everyone….) | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | Few quick items. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | lhcheng: you here? | 18:05 |
| lhcheng | morganfainberg: yes! | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | So, based on great reviews and feedback, I want to introduce lhcheng as the newest member of the core reviewer team. | 18:07 |
| gyee | ++ | 18:07 |
| bknudson | great! | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | lhcheng: congrats! | 18:07 |
| ayoung | Rock on! | 18:07 |
| stevemar | oh snap! ++ | 18:07 |
| rodrigods | ++ lhcheng nice! | 18:07 |
| lhcheng | morganfainberg: thank you! will do my best to help the team! | 18:07 |
| topol | CONGRATULATIONS lhcheng! Very well deserved! | 18:07 |
| henrynash | seconded | 18:07 |
| jamielennox | congrats lhcheng | 18:07 |
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| samueldmq | lhcheng, congrats :) | 18:08 |
| lhcheng | thanks everyone! | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | Ill be granting him the +2 powers post meeting. | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | yay | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | We will be looking to continue to grow the core team (if I'm still ptl) next cycle. This is to ensure we have bandwidth to both write code and review. | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | Which is the next house keeping topic. | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | If you want to be PTL, please don't hesitate to run. Send the candidacy email while the window is open. | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | Ok lots to cover today so... | 18:09 |
| * stevemar thinks morganfainberg should apply for a 4 year term | 18:10 | |
| morganfainberg | #topic Bandit Progress | 18:10 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: o/ | 18:10 |
| bknudson | the infra change merged so you can do check experimental | 18:10 |
| bknudson | to get a bandit run (along with other junk) | 18:10 |
| bknudson | so there's example results: | 18:10 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, the problem is, you are running, and no one wants the job. If you want to encourage lots of people to run for PTL, you need to convince me to run. Then everyone else will run just to say "There but for the grace of ..." | 18:10 |
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| bknudson | http://logs.openstack.org/47/170547/1/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/d054186/console.html -- passes | 18:10 |
| bknudson | oops, that one is a failure | 18:11 |
| bknudson | http://logs.openstack.org/30/157930/6/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/3674425/console.html -- is an example of a passing bandit run | 18:11 |
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| bknudson | so, wanted to find out if anybody has anything else they want to see experimented with. | 18:11 |
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| bknudson | and if not, we can continue on and have bandit run in the check non-voting. | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: do we have any lp bugs open for bandit inconsistencies? | 18:12 |
| bknudson | lbragstad: what do you mean? keystone passes all bandit checks now. | 18:12 |
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| tmcpeak | #link https://launchpad.net/bandit | 18:12 |
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| dolphm | lbragstad: you mean against bandit or keystone? | 18:12 |
| tmcpeak | that's our Bandit launchpad, there aren't any major bugs currently open | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: I meant against Keystone, but you answered my question | 18:12 |
| david8hu | lhcheng: congrats! | 18:13 |
| bknudson | the reason it fails in http://logs.openstack.org/47/170547/1/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/d054186/console.html is because I add code that I knew wouldn't pass. | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, do the docs have examples that would cause it to fail? | 18:15 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: good question... I haven't looked at the docs... maybe tmcpeak can answer? | 18:15 |
| tmcpeak | stevemar: you're asking if the Bandit docs have examples of code that would be caught? | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | tmcpeak, yeah | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | theres a bit here https://github.com/stackforge/bandit/tree/master/docs | 18:16 |
| tmcpeak | I don't believe so, the Bandit docs haven't seen much love lately.. | 18:16 |
| stevemar | i'm just thinking if there is a patch that is failing bandit, how do i figure out why it's failing | 18:17 |
| stevemar | aside from bugging you or bknudson | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | The example here shows what bandit prints out: http://logs.openstack.org/47/170547/1/experimental/gate-keystone-tox-bandit/d054186/console.html#_2015-04-03_16_10_23_056 | 18:17 |
| tmcpeak | the results are pretty self explanatory and show the exact code that triggers the issue | 18:17 |
| bknudson | e.g., subprocess call with shell=True identified, security issue. | 18:17 |
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| bknudson | which isn't the most descriptive... | 18:17 |
| stevemar | showing the code definitely helps | 18:18 |
| bknudson | there was a sprint at the ossg meetup to get some docs together. | 18:18 |
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| tmcpeak | we have it in our backlog to build better docs and explanations | 18:18 |
| stevemar | but i guess we can improve that as we go along | 18:18 |
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| tmcpeak | eventually we will integrate with these: https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance | 18:18 |
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| bknudson | so https://github.com/openstack-security/Developer-Guidance/blob/master/shell_injection.md#subprocess-shell-injection | 18:19 |
| bknudson | is what that subprocess error should point to. | 18:19 |
| stevemar | looks like it checks for quite a few things: https://github.com/stackforge/bandit/tree/master/bandit/plugins | 18:19 |
| tmcpeak | stevemar: some of the tests are very noisy and have been disabled for the Keystone profile | 18:19 |
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| tmcpeak | the idea here is to not generate false positives | 18:20 |
| tmcpeak | so that people don't learn to ignore the gate | 18:20 |
| stevemar | gotcha | 18:20 |
| stevemar | okay, i'm all out of questions! | 18:20 |
| bknudson | I was thinking it's non-voting for now... | 18:20 |
| bknudson | not sure what it's going to take to make it voting. | 18:20 |
| tmcpeak | bknudson: +1 | 18:20 |
| bknudson | probably should at least see a few releases to make sure it's not breaking us. | 18:20 |
| tmcpeak | in the mean time, maybe before you guys give the final +2, you can make sure Bandit test passes? | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | lets see the results from non-voting | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | and we can make adjustments before we make it voting | 18:21 |
| stevemar | a few releases?! that seems overly cautious | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | please keep eyes on bandit | 18:21 |
| bknudson | I'm hoping that people will consider a failing bandit a reason to think twice, for my sake. | 18:21 |
| tmcpeak | :) | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | we can evaluate it during Liberty | 18:21 |
| stevemar | ++ | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | at each milestone | 18:21 |
| * bknudson is tired of security vulnerabilities. | 18:21 | |
| morganfainberg | if we are happy we can make it vote | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | if we aren't we defer | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | easy | 18:22 |
| bknudson | I meant a few releases of bandit. | 18:22 |
| stevemar | bknudson, ah okay | 18:22 |
| tmcpeak | morganfainberg: +1 | 18:22 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, next? | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | #topic RC1 [Kilo Edition] | 18:23 |
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| tmcpeak | thanks all | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | RC1 patch is gating https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171260/ | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | once that lands, liberty is open for development | 18:23 |
| bknudson | you going to go through and remove -2s? | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | this means we have 3 major focuses (in order of priority) | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | once that lands | 18:23 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yes i will | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | 1: RC bugs. Triage bugs. every day. | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | if you see a bug that could be a showstopper tag it rc potential | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | bring it to my attention | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | lets hope we don't have any of those this time (wishful thinking I'm sure) | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | 2: Middleware and KSC bugs/fixes | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | we will do a ksc/middleware cut soon™ that will coincide with the named release | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | this will be used as the basis for gating for stable/kilo afaik | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | and 3: Liberty specs | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | get them posted and reviewed. | 18:25 |
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| morganfainberg | i would like to have what we do at the midcycle mostly happen at the summit | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | so we have more time to work on getting everything into keystone for Liberty | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | which... is a slightly shorter cycle than kilo has been afaik | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | any questions? thoughts? concerns? | 18:26 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: I think you missed the item on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142472/12 (I put it at h | 18:26 |
| bknudson | how do you get a fix into rc? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | need to push for a DOA release, too | 18:26 |
| henrynash | oops sorry | 18:26 |
| ayoung | we don't get webSSO without it | 18:26 |
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| bknudson | is there a stable/ branch? | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we flag a bug, bring it up to TTX and we merge to master then backport to the RC branch | 18:27 |
| rodrigods | the next topic (assignment inheritance) should be a rc-potential IMO | 18:27 |
| rodrigods | :) | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, same as last cycle | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i think enough things got bumped from kilo that liberty should be pretty full now | 18:27 |
| bknudson | we going to add a bunch of migrations? | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yep | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we will add backport placeholders | 18:28 |
| bknudson | that happens at the beginning, I think. | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, that happens in liberty not in kilo rc though | 18:28 |
| bknudson | could update man pages... forgot to do that. | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i expect an RC2 | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | we need a sample config update anyway | 18:28 |
| morganfainberg | so, lets plan that for RC2 | 18:28 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: we should be able to release DOA shortly after Horizon completes RC1 | 18:28 |
| ayoung | lhcheng, ++ | 18:29 |
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| topol | lhcheng awesome | 18:29 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, i was going to defer that to it's own topic btw | 18:29 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, not just lumped into RC meeting topic | 18:29 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: np | 18:29 |
| ayoung | Which leads me to a happy announcement. I have a second Federated/WebSSO mechanism deployed without any code changes. | 18:30 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: how out of date is the current sample config? | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, a couple weeks at most | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, ++ | 18:30 |
| rodrigods | nice | 18:30 |
| ayoung | So..good work you guys on making that spec flexible | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, and possibly not at all | 18:30 |
| dolphm | cool | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, but we have man page update to do. so we'll make sure sample for RC is up-to-date for an RC2 | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | :) | 18:31 |
| bknudson | the keystone-manage man page is missing all the fernet stuff | 18:31 |
| stevemar | ayoung, yay! | 18:31 |
| stevemar | topol, ^ | 18:31 |
| dolphm | bknudson: file a bug! | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: I can make a point to update that | 18:31 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, the sample config shouldn't need change ... i think... | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | in short everyone did an awesome job in kilo | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | thanks for all your hard work | 18:31 |
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| morganfainberg | lets make liberty even better :) | 18:32 |
| bknudson | lbragstad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1441300 <-- dolphm | 18:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1441300 in Keystone "keystone-manage man page updates" [Undecided,New] | 18:32 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, tag to kilo please specifically | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | or i can | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Adding inherited column to PK patch | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, samueldmq, ayoung, o/ | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | so this potentially can be added to RC2 | 18:33 |
| henrynash | ok, let me just set the scene | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | as an FYI | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | it wont be in RC1 | 18:33 |
| ayoung | yeah, lets not do that. The field is... | 18:33 |
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| ayoung | inherited | tinyint(1) | 18:33 |
| henrynash | this is a bug to make teh code do what the original design/spec intended | 18:33 |
| topol | Ayoung, good job on the SSO | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | anyway i'll let henrynash and the like discuss the state and then determine if it goes into RC | 18:34 |
| ayoung | topol, thanks | 18:34 |
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| ayoung | this should be ported to an enum like the "type" field | 18:34 |
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| henrynash | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142472/ | 18:34 |
| ayoung | type is a crappuy name, BTW.... | 18:34 |
| rodrigods | this should really be in RC2 | 18:34 |
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| samueldmq | ayoung, wait, people need context :) think henrynash is doing so | 18:34 |
| henrynash | when this was first proposed, we ahd a lot of discussion about whether assignments (taht are inherited)... | 18:35 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: why not RC1? (what's in RC1?) | 18:35 |
| henrynash | …should be on the domain, or just on the chikdren of the domain | 18:35 |
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| henrynash | and indeed whether you should be able to specify wehther you wanted both of these to happen when you made teh assignment | 18:35 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, the question is if this should land in kilo at all | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, so i didn't include this in RC | 18:36 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, if it *should* land in kilo, since we will likely have an rc2, we can include it | 18:36 |
| bknudson | this change would be difficult to backport due to a schema migration... | 18:36 |
| henrynash | this was rejected during the design cycle for this (back in Grizzly?) and it was recommended that we keep them very separate…an assignment is either on an object, or it is on teh chikdern of the object | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, idempotent schema changes aren't that bad | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's why we add the buffer migrations. | 18:37 |
| * morganfainberg has done it at least once | 18:37 | |
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| morganfainberg | my concern is what adam raised... how bad will this break clients having multiple assignments with the same name/etc/etc except "inherited" being flagged | 18:38 |
| henrynash | so that is teh current design (and is what is exposed via the API)…this patch is to fix a bug I created when I implemented this, in that, dur to the way I created the scehma, you can’t have an inherited and a non-inhertited assignment on teh sameobject | 18:38 |
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| bknudson | this is exposed in GET /v3/role_assignments or something? | 18:38 |
| rodrigods | yes | 18:38 |
| henrynash | so I need to understand what that cocerns is | 18:39 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I'd need to see the origianl arguments, but as done right now, it won't work. We break every API and UI that assumes a role is assigned once and only once | 18:39 |
| bknudson | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/api/v3/identity-api-v3.html#list-effective-role-assignments | 18:39 |
| henrynash | i just don’t undestad that stattement | 18:39 |
| ayoung | instead, we need to quantify on the assignment the "inheritability " of it | 18:39 |
| ayoung | henrynash, we break horizon if there are multiple roles on the same project | 18:40 |
| henrynash | inherited roles are a bit like group roles….a user may end up with teh same “role” on the same object….. | 18:40 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, but the role is assigned once and only once | 18:40 |
| ayoung | er... | 18:40 |
| ayoung | multiple gah | 18:40 |
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| henrynash | ayoung: through what API would we break horizon? | 18:40 |
| ayoung | anyway, make it an enumerated field and we manage to solve the whole problem | 18:40 |
| bknudson | you can get the effective role assignments... will that return both now? | 18:40 |
| ayoung | instead of a boolean, make it a 3 value | 18:40 |
| henrynash | ayoung: wht do that? | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | we don't break horizon, etc .. I think the concern is the UX | 18:41 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, effective doesn't return for the target itself if the inherited flag is active | 18:41 |
| bknudson | I'd think changing the bool to enum would be a bigger API break. | 18:41 |
| henrynash | ayoung: there is no proposal to chaneg the API, so why do we need to store more than two values? | 18:41 |
| ayoung | effective role assignments for an inherited assignment would not give the parent.... | 18:41 |
| ayoung | you know what, this is dumb | 18:41 |
| samueldmq | in general, it works as design, but the main concern is wheter to represent when a role asingment belongs to both parent + children in a single assingment | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | I don't like the "this role assignment is only for the children, not the node" | 18:41 |
| ayoung | what use case is that actually serving? | 18:42 |
| samueldmq | I think the naming 'inherited' may carry someone to think it's applied on both parent + childrne | 18:42 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, this makes sense for the domain use case | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, that seems like the core part of the bad design. | 18:42 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, and it should be implemented that way...why was it not? | 18:42 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I understand that, but that is not up for debate in K, fixing the current implementation is | 18:42 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, this was a design decision you took | 18:42 |
| ayoung | henrynash, of course it is up for debate. I'd rather yank the whole feature than ship something broken | 18:42 |
| henrynash | ayoung: it’s not broekn | 18:43 |
| ayoung | and...all I am asking is "why?" | 18:43 |
| rodrigods | ayoung, that breaks the API | 18:43 |
| ayoung | henrynash, convince me | 18:43 |
| ayoung | it sure sounds broken to me | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | we could move the needle either way: allow multiple assignments [one for <parent> and one that is <inherit>] - or we could allow inherit to apply to <local> as well | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | i think *either* would be fine. | 18:43 |
| rodrigods | the second doesn't break the API? | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | yes it does | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | both break API | 18:44 |
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| samueldmq | the first one no, I think | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | it's a question which way do you break it | 18:44 |
| ayoung | we have already confused the entire world multiple times with strange rules from Keystone. Let us not do it again. | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 18:44 |
| henrynash | please explain how what we are proposing (In this patch) breaks anything! | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | why the first one breaks? | 18:44 |
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| bknudson | I don't see what breaks. | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | henrynash, ++ | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | I think we have 2 things here | 18:44 |
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| samueldmq | i) fix the documented behavior | 18:44 |
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| samueldmq | ii) design decision, what is better for UX | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | this also has been broken a loooooong time. | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | or "wierd" at least | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | wh-eird | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | its definitely weird | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | the weird we fix on ii) ^ | 18:45 |
| bknudson | something that failed before can be changed to work -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/APIChangeGuidelines#Generally_Considered_OK | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | the wrong we fix on i) ^ | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | the patch we have for it | 18:45 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: it’s not come up really before because it does represnet what people want to do in the domain-project situaation | 18:45 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, which is why i think we break the API but no in an unacceptable way regardless of the way we go | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, making inherit apply to the local node is logical | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | *or* we allow multiple assignments | 18:46 |
| bknudson | to the domain? | 18:46 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: i.e. teh roles you appl y to projects (i.e. children of teh daomin) are usually not the same as you want to have active on the domain itself | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | either side could be considered a bug | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, yeah | 18:46 |
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| bknudson | what does allowing multiple assignments break? | 18:46 |
| henrynash | bknudson: ++ | 18:46 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, that's the question | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, potentially lots of clients assuming 1 and only 1 instance of the role | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | in the assignment for things | 18:47 |
| bknudson | where? what API? | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, again, it's implied contract. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | it's how it works | 18:47 |
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| morganfainberg | not how it is documented to work | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | anyway | 18:47 |
| samueldmq | bknudson, it does not break anything, I think it's just the naming we have "inherited", which would cause one to think it's applied to both, when it's not | 18:47 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: but that happens today with group roles and direct user roles..... | 18:47 |
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| morganfainberg | as long as we don't break people I'm fine. | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | either way | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | henrynash, ++ | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | though i think it's a silly silly thing to need to say "assign" no "also assign and inherit" | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | a very silly thing | 18:48 |
| lhcheng | I don't see how it would break horizon, just probably a bad UX on the role assignment page. | 18:48 |
| lhcheng | should be fine | 18:48 |
| ayoung | this is, I think, making a bizare API as a work around for the "admin is GOD" problem | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | lhcheng, projects will show up that the user has no role on | 18:49 |
| henrynash | ayoung: we aren’t changing the API | 18:49 |
| henrynash | ayoung: huh? | 18:49 |
| ayoung | leave it as is, then, and let this shake out in Liberty\ | 18:49 |
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| samueldmq | leaving as it is is bad for hierarchical projects | 18:49 |
| samueldmq | imo | 18:49 |
| henrynash | ayoung: you need to come up with a thing that will break, I ain’t herad nothin yet | 18:50 |
| rodrigods | exactly | 18:50 |
| samueldmq | for domains that was ok, but for hmt it is just bad | 18:50 |
| henrynash | (cue that song) | 18:50 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: that part is all in Keystone, as long as the keystone policy allows it | 18:50 |
| ayoung | yeah...I guess list projects for users is what Horizon does, and the parent proejct won't show up | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | i *really* *really* don't have a clue how the design to make inherit to not include the domain was made. | 18:51 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: when the user scopes to the sub-project, the inherited role should still be in the auth token | 18:51 |
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| bknudson | this doesn't have anything to do with hierarchical projects? | 18:51 |
| ayoung | its just if someone did list role assignements and tried to script it they would be getting false positives | 18:51 |
| samueldmq | ayoung, no, not for inherited assignments, (and horizon does not assign inherited assignments yet) | 18:51 |
| ayoung | its still shortsighted | 18:51 |
| bknudson | I thought it was just domains. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it does apply to HMT since inheritance works there as well [or will with reseller] | 18:52 |
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| samueldmq | bknudson, yes it does, having the same role on the parent + children makes sense (and didnt for domain + children) | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | samueldmq, i disagree with the assertion that domain + child project doesn't make sense. | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | but i guess i'm in the minority here. | 18:52 |
| rodrigods | it will definitely won't when we have projects that are domains | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, well, I cant see a scenario it does ... I think we would have a role like 'project_admin' and then assign inheritance | 18:53 |
| ayoung | its cuz our role names are too broad | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, but someone who really uses it may come with the real usecase | 18:53 |
| ayoung | "admin is everything" | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i think this is something we need to address in liberty | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | same sack of concrete | 18:54 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, +++++++ | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | not in kilo | 18:54 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, , it must be addressed | 18:54 |
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| samueldmq | we just want to fix the implementation | 18:54 |
| rodrigods | the single assignment type only works with separate admin roles | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | if we go for changing the design | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | i think the conversation becomes even muddier with domain as a project | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | this should come after (in L) | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | and we'll have the same issues/different bag | 18:54 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: The part that could break is probably when assigning the project roles to user/group, have to provide a way for user to set if it is inherited/or not. | 18:54 |
| lhcheng | samueldmq is right, it is not there yet. | 18:54 |
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| morganfainberg | is there a reason this *has* to be fixed *right now at the 11th hour before release*? | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, please lets fix the code against what is specified | 18:55 |
| henrynash | morganainberg: I don’t see how fixing the implementation puts us in any worse situation for any deisgn re-work we may chose to do in Liberty | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | morganfainberg, if we go for changign the api, we do that in L | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | henrynash, ++ | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, because we're springing behavioral changes on users at the last minute | 18:55 |
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| samueldmq | fixing the implementation does not mean we wont revisit this and possibly change the design | 18:56 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: I just don;t see that…this is MEANT to work, and it errors when you try to execute the published API in an odd way | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, and i don't mean deployers strictly i mean *all* users. | 18:56 |
| henrynash | (I mean it errors in an odd way) | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, meant to work and changing how it works right before the release is a cause for my hair to turn grey ;) | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | two different things | 18:56 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, my #1 concern in this case is changing a behavior last minute | 18:57 |
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| morganfainberg | and we all know how well we find out about bugs... 1yr down the line with angry users | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | henrynash, this is even worst since we are silent for duplicated assignments | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/assignment/backends/sql.py#L129-L131 | 18:57 |
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| bknudson | that's bad. | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, well not really. | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | yeah we fail silently | 18:58 |
| henrynash | samueldmq: oh I see, you call the API….it says OK, but it doesn’t apply the assignemnt you made! | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, it's perfectly fine to give a 201 [i assume thats what we get] if you already have the assignment | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | henrynash, yeah | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, since the assignment already existed | 18:59 |
| bknudson | but you don't have the assignment... it's a different assignment. | 18:59 |
| rodrigods | bknudson, ++ | 18:59 |
| ayoung | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/master/keystone/assignment/backends/sql.py#L61 | 18:59 |
| ayoung | yeah...this is messed up in a couple different ways | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | ok so the migration is *not* strictly the fix | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | can we step back | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | propose the fix in a backportable way to RC2 | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | not jkust the migratin | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | migration | 19:00 |
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| morganfainberg | look at the other associated issues | 19:00 |
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| ayoung | For list_grant_role_id we would need to do a hierarchical query | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | so, we have a lot of issues | 19:00 |
| ayoung | we have a lot of stuff that, maybe it works, but doesn't look like it in first glance | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | we're out of time | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | off to -keystone | 19:00 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: not sure I understand the distinction of migration vs fix? | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | sorry | 19:00 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 19:01:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-07-18.04.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-07-18.04.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2015/keystone.2015-04-07-18.04.log.html | 19:01 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:01 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | hey-o | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | it's all you infra folks! | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | ohai | 19:01 |
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| tchaypo | A big 5am hello! | 19:02 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 19:02 |
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| fungi | mordred: jhesketh: SergeyLukjanov: anteaya: sdague: around? | 19:02 |
| greghaynes | o/ | 19:02 |
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| mordred | ol/ | 19:02 |
| pcrews | o/ | 19:03 |
| sdague | yes, actually am today | 19:03 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | jeblair is in transit or otherwise unavailable, so i'll chair | 19:03 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | okay, let's get this party started | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| * Ng comes to order | 19:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 19:03:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 19:03 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 19:03 |
| pcrews | o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | um, we should probably start thinking about summit sessions. that's the only psa i'm aware of for now | 19:04 |
| mordred | Duke won the NCAA Basketball Tournament last night | 19:04 |
| fungi | heh | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | did the ask.o.o migration happen yesterday? (I saw meeting logs, didn't read backscroll) | 19:04 |
| fungi | yep | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | cool :) | 19:04 |
| mrmartin | pleia2: yep | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | congrats to all | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-03-31-19.00.html | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | mrmartin: nice work! | 19:04 |
| fungi | jeblair document openstack id deployment mechanism in http://ci.openstack.org/openstackid.html | 19:05 |
| fungi | looks like he did that | 19:05 |
| fungi | anybody have the url handy? | 19:05 |
| asselin_ | hi | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170974/ | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/170974 | 19:06 |
| fungi | thanks pleia2 | 19:06 |
| fungi | zaro to continue utf8 testing | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i believe there's a script you hacked together | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://github.com/zaro0508/gerrit-db-migration | 19:07 |
| fungi | feedback on that would be useful | 19:07 |
| fungi | zaro test gerrit 2.10 | 19:07 |
| zaro | i believe i am done with db migration testing. | 19:07 |
| zaro | #link https://github.com/zaro0508/gerrit-db-migration | 19:08 |
| fungi | okay, so 2.10 looks like it probably works? | 19:08 |
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| zaro | no i haven't tested 2.10 | 19:08 |
| zaro | i have only tested that utf8 | 19:08 |
| fungi | oh, you're still talking about the first item | 19:08 |
| zaro | that script is for utf8 migration | 19:08 |
| zaro | db only | 19:08 |
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| fungi | right, i had moved on to the next action item | 19:09 |
| fungi | okay, so the end result of that script was that utf8 was working under gerrit 2.8 after it ran? | 19:09 |
| zaro | not exactly. | 19:09 |
| zaro | I didn't check that gerrit works with the data after migrating it. i only check that the data looked good using db queries | 19:10 |
| zaro | to validate that gerrit will also require the git data. | 19:10 |
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| zaro | that gerrit/that gerrit will start and run | 19:11 |
| clarkb | which we have right? | 19:11 |
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| fungi | right, got it. so you were mainly just testing that the utf8 transformation won't likely be a problem with our production data. did you similarly test that it did the right thing to a gerrit 2.8 (for example review-dev prior to upgrade)? | 19:11 |
| zaro | i would need the prod site info | 19:11 |
| zaro | yes, i tested that scenario on review-dev end to end and it does seem to work. | 19:12 |
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| fungi | okay, great! so we should try it again production the next time we schedule an outage window to do other things | 19:12 |
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| fungi | #action zaro test gerrit 2.10 | 19:13 |
| zaro | yep. i pretty confident that it should work. | 19:13 |
| fungi | i guess that's still pending | 19:13 |
| zaro | yes, still 2.10 testing is still pending | 19:13 |
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| zaro | wondering if i should push that script to review.o.o instead of on github? | 19:14 |
| fungi | probably not unless we think it's something we're going to run more than once in the future | 19:14 |
| fungi | anteaya cause a problem statement and requirements regarding election tooling to be sent to the infra list so various solutions can be discussed | 19:14 |
| zaro | just for review, then abandone afterwards | 19:14 |
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| fungi | i guess this was lingering from a previous meeting agenda | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2015-April/002622.html | 19:14 |
| fungi | seems to have happened | 19:15 |
| clarkb | that was sent | 19:15 |
| fungi | zaro: yeah, if you want, should be fine | 19:15 |
| clarkb | mtreinish responded with some feedback | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: I did? | 19:15 |
| fungi | continued discussion can happen on the ml in that case | 19:15 |
| mtreinish | oh the election stuff thread | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | yeah, would be good to respond to that with rationale as to why ML is not sufficient | 19:15 |
| tchaypo | Some discussion also happened on the ether pad | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | (or maybe it is!) | 19:15 |
| clarkb | yup I think we can push it to the ml, curious to see what the election officials have to say about ml | 19:16 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Specs | 19:16 |
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| fungi | this topic is conspicuously blank in the meeting agenda | 19:16 |
| fungi | looks like we skipped it last week too | 19:17 |
| mordred | fungi: maybe we're done wtih all of them | 19:17 |
| clarkb | we have nodepool-dib, swift logs, zanata, and ask migration andprobably some others I forget | 19:17 |
| asselin_ | downstream-puppet | 19:17 |
| fungi | right, but those are in the next topic | 19:17 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: we have the backup left only for askbot | 19:17 |
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| fungi | so moving on | 19:17 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:17 |
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| fungi | let's see if we can get through these quickly | 19:18 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Swift logs) | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | oh specs vs efforts, my reading comprehension is poor | 19:18 |
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| mordred | clarkb: me too | 19:18 |
| mordred | clarkb: I had the exact same thought | 19:18 |
| fungi | any updates for swift logs? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | yes | 19:18 |
| * mordred dances? | 19:18 | |
| clarkb | the devstack help footers are now uploaded to swift and rendered nicely | 19:18 |
| mordred | woot | 19:18 |
| clarkb | you can see the devstack-gate specific dg tempest jobs for examples | 19:19 |
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| fungi | excellent | 19:19 |
| clarkb | but we have a bug in hosting non log file data via swift | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107267/ | 19:19 |
| clarkb | that is the change that will begin to fix this issue, once we have that I think we are ready to move everything to swift | 19:19 |
| fungi | ahh, yep, saw that change proposed | 19:20 |
| clarkb | though we can move jobs to swift now that don't have non log data (PNGs, javascript, etc) | 19:20 |
| clarkb | I can propose some more changes to migrate jobs for which it should be safe | 19:20 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:20 |
| fungi | is that a firm action item, or just a conjecture? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | might as well make it an action item | 19:21 |
| clarkb | #action clarkb migrate more jobs to swift log hosting | 19:21 |
| fungi | #action clarkb propose some more changes to migrate jobs for which it should be safe | 19:21 |
| fungi | oops | 19:21 |
| fungi | #undo | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | double tap | 19:21 |
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| fungi | that it for swift logs since last week? | 19:21 |
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| clarkb | I think so | 19:21 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Nodepool DIB) | 19:22 |
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| fungi | i saw there was some good discussion in mordred's planning etherpad for the shade stuff | 19:22 |
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| greghaynes | So good news is we have an ubuntu image that works in both hp and rax now1 | 19:22 |
| mordred | we also landed most of the shade things | 19:22 |
| mordred | and greghaynes did that | 19:22 |
| tchaypo | Link? | 19:22 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dib-nodepool-merges | 19:22 |
| greghaynes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167003/ | 19:23 |
| greghaynes | bad news is my wifi is horrible | 19:23 |
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| mordred | it's getting close to time to start landing "scary" nodepool changes, such as the ones that actually start consuming shade - I've been holding off because I'd like to be around to watch in case something goes south | 19:23 |
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| mordred | this week will likely be bad for that because pycon - although, maybe it'll be good because jeblair and I will be in the same place at pycon | 19:24 |
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| mordred | so maybe we can find a bar and land something scary | 19:24 |
| fungi | i'm finally getting some review movement on the bindep changes (thanks everyone!) and have a nodepool config change up to add "centos-6" nodes. the open dib-nodepool topic changes are getting longer than one page in gerrit now | 19:24 |
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| mordred | greghaynes: have you tested it with centos or fedora yet? | 19:25 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:dib-nodepool,n,z | 19:25 |
| greghaynes | mordred: there are some bugs with dub relating to that ATM, im currently working through them | 19:25 |
| clarkb | yes, I have recently been spending a good chunk of my time only reviewing priority effort related changes | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | so make sure your changes have the topic set and I am more than likely to review them eventually | 19:25 |
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| * mordred needs to go review clarkb's changes | 19:25 | |
| clarkb | (re getting review traction) | 19:25 |
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| fungi | anything else urgent on nodepool dib? | 19:26 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Migration to Zanata) | 19:26 |
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| cinerama | hi there | 19:27 |
| fungi | take it away pleia2 and cinerama | 19:27 |
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| pleia2 | I've been making my way through cinerama's patches this morning, merged a few | 19:27 |
| cinerama | so i made some good progress last week on the various patches in flight | 19:27 |
| cinerama | we have a couple of things we ought to address with the zanata devs | 19:27 |
| cinerama | next steps will be to get a server up and running and start testing stuff | 19:28 |
| cinerama | i think that's it from me | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | see from line 125 in the etherpad for some plans: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-install | 19:28 |
| clarkb | I am more than happy to help with the jenkins job script stuff when you are ready for that | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | I think we're on track to get the dev server up and running | 19:28 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zanata-install | 19:28 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:zanata,n,z | 19:28 |
| clarkb | but the puppet module is coming together nicely big +2 to spinning up a server | 19:28 |
| pleia2 | I do need translate-dev.o.o removed from DNS when someone has a chance so I can create the new record when I bring up the new server | 19:28 |
| fungi | i can do that right after the meeting | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 19:29 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:29 |
| fungi | or maybe during if chairing gets slow | 19:29 |
| fungi | (talk more, people!) | 19:29 |
| pleia2 | that's it from me, we're doing well :) | 19:29 |
| mordred | Duke won the NCAA Basketball Tournament last night | 19:29 |
| mordred | fungi: (that's all I've got, really) | 19:29 |
| fungi | huh. who knew people in north carolina played basketball? | 19:30 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Downstream Puppet) | 19:30 |
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| yolanda | so i have several patches that landed, some others awaiting reviews | 19:30 |
| fungi | any important news here? | 19:30 |
| yolanda | all are under the downstream-puppet topic | 19:30 |
| yolanda | i created one to use puppet-puppet to setup puppet | 19:31 |
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| nibalizer | heh | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I have been trying to review those today. The one for cgit apache fork configs I need to test then approve if testing is happy | 19:31 |
| yolanda | guess who can say more puppet on a sentence :) | 19:31 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:downstream-puppet,n,z | 19:31 |
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| asselin_ | common log server ones have been through a few reviews. should be stable now & ready to go | 19:32 |
| yolanda | if changes for puppet-pip could land as well, will be helpful for us downstream | 19:32 |
| fungi | great, thanks for working on that! | 19:32 |
| fungi | anything else there? | 19:32 |
| yolanda | not from my side | 19:32 |
| nibalizer | not for me | 19:32 |
| mordred | 19:31:03 yolanda | i created one to use puppet-puppet to setup puppet | 19:32 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Askbot migration) | 19:32 |
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| mordred | best sentence ever | 19:33 |
| mrmartin | ok, so we are waiting for the backup patches to land | 19:33 |
| yolanda | :) | 19:33 |
| mrmartin | and have a minor issue with smartcn jar, that's all | 19:33 |
| fungi | next meeting in here is the tc meeting | 19:33 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/168117 | 19:33 |
| mrmartin | yeah, I expect some decision, so we can move forward and finish the backup | 19:33 |
| fungi | that should likely land during | 19:33 |
| fungi | as soon as it does, we can approve | 19:34 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/167631 | 19:34 |
| mrmartin | ok, so we had a good progress | 19:34 |
| clarkb | fungi: mrmartin I feel like I am missing a bunch of context here | 19:34 |
| mrmartin | and I not received with any feedbacks affecting the ask.o.o site | 19:34 |
| fungi | and yeah, we're running in production on an infra-managed server for ask.openstack.org now | 19:34 |
| clarkb | the backup stuff I am familiar with | 19:34 |
| mrmartin | clarkb: what you missing? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | what does the tc meeting have to do with ask.o.o and what is the smartcn jar problem? | 19:35 |
| fungi | i'll go ahead and raise the ttls for it back up to an hour shortly when i take out the other record pleia2 was asking about earlier | 19:35 |
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| fungi | clarkb: tc meeting is when the governance change to add that backup puppet module repo gets approved | 19:35 |
| mrmartin | clarkb: we need to get an approval for pgsql_backup puppet repo from tc | 19:35 |
| clarkb | oh I see | 19:35 |
| fungi | clarkb: at which point we can approve the project-config change to add it | 19:35 |
| mrmartin | because it is running on pgsql, not mysql | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | maybe we should just stackforge our puppet modules | 19:36 |
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| mrmartin | a smartcn issue a small bug in the puppet that affects a restarted instance I guess, I'm working on that but it is not an upfront bug | 19:36 |
| mordred | or maybe we should fix the tc process for this some how | 19:36 |
| clarkb | mrmartin: thanks | 19:36 |
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| mordred | but that's out of scope for this meeting | 19:36 |
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| mrmartin | we expect some upgrades in the near future for askbot, so puppetizing of the ask-staging.o.o will be the next task | 19:37 |
| fungi | but anyway, i think that's it. we're basically wrapped up. eventually i'll go ahead and delete the old server once we're sure it's got nothing on it we still need | 19:37 |
| mrmartin | and some discussion happens about release process of theme and askbot. | 19:37 |
| mordred | yay! | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | awesome, nice work everyone | 19:37 |
| mrmartin | thnx | 19:37 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Upgrading Gerrit) | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #note Gerrit 2.9 upgrade Saturday May 9, 2015 | 19:38 |
| fungi | good reminder | 19:38 |
| fungi | probably nothing new to discuss for this other than what we covered in the action items? | 19:38 |
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| zaro | testing possibility to go directly to 2.10 underway | 19:39 |
| clarkb | maybe note that we might upgrade to 2.10 | 19:39 |
| fungi | ahh, yep | 19:39 |
| fungi | #note might be an upgrade to 2.10 depending on the results of testing between now and then | 19:39 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts (Docs publishing) | 19:39 |
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| fungi | still in a holding pattern while the logs on swift comes to full production i expect? | 19:40 |
| clarkb | I think so, particularly that bug with non log data | 19:40 |
| clarkb | but once that is sorted we should be ready to start work on this | 19:40 |
| fungi | #topic Puppet Testing | 19:41 |
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| fungi | something about rspec and... | 19:41 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/164908 | 19:41 |
| fungi | nibalizer: jesusaurus: looks like you reviewed that | 19:41 |
| clarkb | I think we covered this pretty well last meeting | 19:41 |
| fungi | okay, so stale topic. i'll clear it off the agenda after the meeting | 19:41 |
| clarkb | and asselin_ has made some initial progress on the outcome of that discussion. Basically do functional testing per module | 19:41 |
| asselin_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169117/ | 19:42 |
| fungi | #topic Zuul layout split (tristanc) | 19:43 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/152290 | 19:43 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/zuul_split.html | 19:43 |
| fungi | looks like we discussed this last meeting too. any updates or should i clear it from the agenda? | 19:44 |
| fungi | seems to need reviews at the moment | 19:44 |
| clarkb | I think jhesketh recently pushed an set of updates to the connections changes that jeblair wants to get in first | 19:44 |
| clarkb | so probably just need to review those and get them in so this effort can proceed | 19:44 |
| fungi | okay, good to know. have a link to those? | 19:44 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/zuul+branch:master+topic:connections,n,z | 19:45 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:45 |
| fungi | #topic Upcoming Project Renames | 19:45 |
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| fungi | looks like we have a handful requested | 19:45 |
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| fungi | murano projects are wanting to move into the openstack namespace since we had to skip them last maintenance | 19:46 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/167934 | 19:46 |
| clarkb | did they correct the confusion we ran into? | 19:46 |
| fungi | yeah, the change has been updated, but needs more eyeballs | 19:46 |
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| fungi | congress projects similarly, since they got approved in last week's tc meeting | 19:47 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/169530 | 19:47 |
| fungi | also stackforge/tuskar-ui-extras wants to be retired to stackforge-attic | 19:47 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/169715 | 19:47 |
| fungi | do we want to pick a date/time to do these and also try the utf-8 conversion for review.openstack.org again? | 19:48 |
| fungi | probably not this weekend what with so many at pycon all week | 19:48 |
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| fungi | i'm tempted to defer it a week and revisit in next week's meeting, but input from the group would be useful there | 19:49 |
| mordred | yeah - let's defer | 19:49 |
| clarkb | +1 | 19:49 |
| mordred | also - since this is being slightly more frequent what with big tent ... | 19:49 |
| mordred | what do people think about making an ansible playbook we can reuse with a list of from-to names? | 19:50 |
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| mordred | that does all the things in order | 19:50 |
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| mordred | as in - if I write one, would people be opposed to it? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | mordred: it should work for everything but github | 19:50 |
| fungi | sounds awesome. i have a script i use right now to generate all the sql queries and filesystem changes | 19:50 |
| mordred | clarkb: no reason it wouldnt' work for github too ... | 19:50 |
| tchaypo | that sounds like it would make the task really boring | 19:50 |
| tchaypo | I’m in favor of tasks that are really boring | 19:51 |
| clarkb | mordred: yes big reason, githubs api is terrible and never works right | 19:51 |
| mordred | tchaypo: ++ | 19:51 |
| mordred | clarkb: fair | 19:51 |
| fungi | tchaypo: trust me, it's already crazy boring | 19:51 |
| clarkb | mordred: it breaks at a really high rate | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | boring+automated then | 19:51 |
| * mordred wants more boring things | 19:51 | |
| fungi | more lazy is more win | 19:51 |
| tchaypo | boring tasks where I can sip coffee and watch a progress bar instead of trying to stay awake long enough to type out the whole command | 19:51 |
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| fungi | okay, so motion carries. we'll revisit next tuesday | 19:52 |
| clarkb | mordred: as long as we can do it safely with github its fine, like maybe we do github move first and only move the rest of github succeeds or something | 19:52 |
| zaro | do we want to schedule gerrit db migration with this? | 19:52 |
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| fungi | zaro: preferably do them in the same outage, yes | 19:52 |
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| mordred | clarkb: I'll see what I can come up with | 19:52 |
| zaro | ok. might want to expand the outage window then. | 19:52 |
| fungi | and perhaps also enact jeblair's change to log ssh usernames in the task list | 19:53 |
| clarkb | also we could possibly reduce the need for renames | 19:53 |
| fungi | yeah, we'd do a longer window if so | 19:53 |
| clarkb | because in many cases renames are completely preventable | 19:53 |
| clarkb | s/preventable/avoidable/ ? | 19:54 |
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| fungi | clarkb: as in projects created in the wrong namespace to start with or all these silly -attic moves? | 19:54 |
| clarkb | fungi: both and trademark issues | 19:54 |
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| fungi | if we could start over, i'd do it with no git namespaces | 19:55 |
| fungi | but getting there now would be painful | 19:55 |
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| fungi | anyway, we have a few minutes for open discussion, which this is sort of turning into anyway, so... | 19:55 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | jenkins ssh-slaves plugin is broken | 19:56 |
| fungi | we don't use that do we? | 19:56 |
| clarkb | I haven't had time yet to put on my java hat (also motivation is hard to find) to work on fixing it | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | I'm conference+travel again Mon-Thursday of next week, speaking at POSSCON in South Carolina about how we do this open source, cross-company systems administration thing: http://posscon.org/talks/open-source-systems-administration/ | 19:56 |
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| pleia2 | I should be checking in though | 19:56 |
| fungi | pleia2: ooh, where in sc? i might have suggestions for beer | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | fungi: columbia | 19:56 |
| clarkb | so if anyone does want to wear a java hat I can point them to the bug which has the info that I have been able to collect and for everyone else keep an eye out for sluggish jenkins masters | 19:56 |
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| fungi | hrm, other than some poorly-air-conditioned night clubs, my familiarity with columbia is minimal | 19:57 |
| sdague | fungi / clarkb if someone can get the CORS bits sorted out for the limitted status url in zuul, and put jquery visibility on the gerrit machine, the fixes for zuul status inline are here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170935/ | 19:57 |
| fungi | i think there's a halfway decent brewery i've had stuff from there though | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | that seems to be the consensus re: columbia ;) | 19:57 |
| sdague | but the rest of the infrastructure to make it work are out of my scope for the near future | 19:58 |
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| zaro | would like anybody with mysql gumption to review my gerrit db migration script. https://github.com/zaro0508/gerrit-db-migration | 19:59 |
| fungi | pleia2: hrm, yeah no luck jogging my memory on the brewery with web searches, though they seem to have a smattering of brewpubs since the last time i was there | 19:59 |
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| fungi | okay, we're at time | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 20:00:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-07-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-07-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2015/infra.2015-04-07-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | the floor is all yours, ttx | 20:00 |
| mrmartin | thanks | 20:00 |
| ttx | Alright! Anyone here for the TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| mikal | Hi | 20:00 |
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| boris-42 | Hi hi! | 20:00 |
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| devananda | o/ | 20:01 |
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| vishy | o/ | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegent_ | hello | 20:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | hi | 20:01 |
| krotscheck | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | jgriffith, mordred, devananda, jeblair, dhellmann : around ? | 20:01 |
| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | oh, deva is here | 20:01 |
| devananda | ttx: :) | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 7 20:02:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #topic Give project teams still under consideration a derogation to be at the Design Summit | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Wanted to start with this first | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Basically I need to close the projects list this week to work on final Design Summit space allocation | 20:02 |
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| ttx | But we have a number of projects in the pipe, and I don't want to rush those discussions to meet that arbitrary deadline | 20:03 |
| ttx | So my suggestion would be to give *all* projects in the pipeline Design Summit space, regardless of the state of their application | 20:03 |
| ttx | That includes Rally, Security, Mistral and GBP. | 20:03 |
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| ttx | IMHO we have enough room in Vancouver to cover all of them without affecting "already official" projects. | 20:03 |
| russellb | sounds reasonable | 20:03 |
| ttx | Hpw does that sound? | 20:03 |
| mikal | I think this is ag ood idea | 20:03 |
| devananda | +1 | 20:03 |
| markmcclain | I think that's reasonable | 20:03 |
| sdague | works for me | 20:03 |
| ttx | that removes a bit of time pressure here | 20:04 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 20:04 |
| annegent_ | thinking | 20:04 |
| ttx | OK... Anyone opposed ? | 20:04 |
| jaypipes | ++ | 20:04 |
| vishy | +1 | 20:04 |
| annegent_ | why even account for the pipeline though? | 20:04 |
| annegent_ | I'm not opposed, just making sure I understand | 20:05 |
| ttx | annegent_: what do you mean by account for the pipeline ? | 20:05 |
| ttx | You mean, why not close the list now ? | 20:05 |
| annegent_ | can't any project pipelined or not have some space? | 20:05 |
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| annegent_ | and why now with the list we have? | 20:05 |
| ttx | because space is finite ? | 20:05 |
| ttx | and we have to split it among a set list of projects ? | 20:05 |
| annegent_ | sure but there's always trading in the last month. I mean I'm just checking with what I think will actually happen :) | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | ttx: do we have any unorganized space this time, like the pods? | 20:06 |
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| annegent_ | I can support drawing lines, sure. | 20:06 |
| ttx | There will likely be /some/ unorganized space | 20:06 |
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| ttx | but not as much as usual, since we have work rooms now | 20:06 |
| jaypipes | let the horse trading commence. | 20:06 |
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| annegent_ | yeah | 20:06 |
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| annegent_ | "space is still finite, time is still untravelable" | 20:07 |
| * mordred travels time | 20:07 | |
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| dhellmann | annegent_: we all travel in time, we just can't steer | 20:07 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 20:07 |
| mordred | we may all be dorks | 20:07 |
| ttx | zehicle: around? | 20:07 |
| annegent_ | hee totally possible | 20:07 |
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| devananda | annegent_: as ATC status, and thus the pass to the developer summit, is tied to contributions to official projects, simply opening it up to all not official and not even slated to become official projects seems ... odd | 20:07 |
| ttx | devananda: design summit space will be limited to "openstack" projects | 20:08 |
| ttx | so +1 | 20:08 |
| devananda | ttx: that's what I thought. thanks for clarifying. | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | ttx: is access limited to atcs? I can never remember if we actually do that. | 20:08 |
| ttx | we have "ecosystem space" for related non-openstack projects | 20:08 |
| annegent_ | devananda: ttx: okay | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | cool, that addresses projects that don't have proposals up yet | 20:08 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: no, full access pass holders can also enter | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | ok, that's what I thought | 20:09 |
| devananda | right, and with the ops track mixed in, we can't limit to just ATCs | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | right, we don't want to, I was just trying to make sure that didn't mess with access for projects that wouldn't have scheduled time | 20:09 |
| devananda | dhellmann: right :) | 20:09 |
| ttx | annegent_: dhellmann: unfortunately some projects just miss the call | 20:10 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 20:10 |
| annegent_ | ttx: ok thanks for explaining | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yep, no problem with me with drawing a line somewhere | 20:10 |
| ttx | for reference: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2015/open-cloud-ecosystem | 20:10 |
| ttx | tahts' for ecosystem projects ^ | 20:10 |
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| ttx | #topic Adding Rally to OpenStack | 20:10 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/169357 | 20:11 |
| mikal | ttx: did we skip over the defcore thing deliberately? | 20:11 |
| ttx | boris-42: hi! | 20:11 |
| ttx | mikal: if zehicle is not around... | 20:11 |
| boris-42 | ttx: hi | 20:11 |
| ttx | let's discuss Rally first and give him a chance to join | 20:11 |
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| mikal | ttx: fair enough, just checking | 20:12 |
| ttx | We are at 6 yes on that proposal already | 20:12 |
| Rockyg | zehicle might be on the road. Was in San Antonio this morning and the meeting ran an hour over. | 20:12 |
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| ttx | Questions from the remaining voters to clarify your view on it ? | 20:12 |
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| ttx | Rockyg: good to know. If he doesn't arrive we'll mention the topic with you | 20:13 |
| markmcclain | ttx: effectively 8.. because mordred and jgriffith votes we're wiped by the update | 20:13 |
| annegent_ | Can I nitpick for an article for "a framework" and misspelled OpensStack in the commit message? | 20:13 |
| markmcclain | s/we're/were/ | 20:13 |
| * jaypipes notes he voted +1 for rally even though boris-42 said he hated him on the ML. | 20:13 | |
| annegent_ | jaypipes: do you want a cookie? :) | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | annegent_: I think we could fast-approve a follow-up grammar fix | 20:13 |
| * jaypipes tries not to anger The Boris. | 20:13 | |
| dims | lol | 20:13 |
| ttx | markmcclain: since mordred is around he can reapply | 20:13 |
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| annegent_ | boris-42: ok if I do a quick nit fix? | 20:13 |
| ttx | We're actually at 7 now | 20:14 |
| boris-42 | annegent_: yep it's ok | 20:14 |
| devananda | follow up patches to fix nits ++ | 20:14 |
| ttx | yes, follow up patch please, would hate to lose votes again | 20:14 |
| ttx | 30 more seconds for eveyone to register their support | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I propose that annegent_'s patch falls under your housekeeping powers to just merge without debate | 20:14 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ++ | 20:14 |
| ttx | I'll take that expansion of my vast powers and run with it | 20:15 |
| annegent_ | heh | 20:15 |
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| jogo | 'Rally tasks as a common language'? | 20:15 |
| annegent_ | patched | 20:15 |
| * ttx reapplies for form | 20:16 | |
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| * mordred has re-voted | 20:17 | |
| dhellmann | annegent_: oh, I expected a separate patch, but that's ok | 20:17 |
| devananda | annegent_: oh, fwiw, I meant a separate dependent patch, not another revision. the history is cleaner that way. | 20:17 |
| ttx | Alright, I applied discretionary power granted to me under exceptional conditions | 20:17 |
| * devananda also reapplies vote | 20:17 | |
| annegent_ | dhellmann: devananda: ah sorry | 20:17 |
| ttx | and it's approved | 20:17 |
| devananda | \o/ | 20:17 |
| boris-42 | WOOT | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:17 |
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| dhellmann | congrats, boris-42 & team | 20:17 |
| boris-42 | thank you for support! | 20:18 |
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| ttx | That big tent is a much happier place than our integrated release cellar | 20:18 |
| * mordred dances around the tent | 20:18 | |
| russellb | had a question before my connection messed up ... was curious what you thought could help increase diversity in contributors | 20:18 |
| russellb | aside from the obvious openstack git namespace issue | 20:18 |
| annegent_ | mordred: why are you outside the tent? get back inside right now | 20:18 |
| boris-42 | russellb: it helps a lot | 20:18 |
| mordred | annegent_: *sorry* | 20:19 |
| boris-42 | russellb: many companies don't want to contribute in stackforge projects | 20:19 |
| boris-42 | =) | 20:19 |
| ttx | #topic Adding the security team | 20:19 |
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| russellb | maybe we should just rename all repos and drop the prefix | 20:19 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/170172 | 20:19 |
| ttx | So this is a new horizontal team, which will cover the work of the VMT (currently under "Release Cycle Management" team) and OSSG (previously considered external) | 20:19 |
| jaypipes | russellb: perhaps a demo from Boris and team in a webinar or recorded session -- tailored to OpenStack project devs -- would help to showcase how Rally can be a useful tool for functional integration testing in the projects themselves. | 20:20 |
| ttx | I think the OSSG really structured its output lately (with OSSNs, security book, and bandit) so it makes sense to recognize it as "helping with the OpenStack Mission" | 20:20 |
| ttx | And I also think it makes sense to move the VMT under a single "Security" team since the current split is confusing to everyone (except maybe VMT members) | 20:20 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: can you remind me what those acronyms stand for, please? | 20:20 |
| annegent_ | Happy to move the security doc repo under their team. | 20:20 |
| devananda | I'm very glad to see Security becoming a recognized cross-project effort | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ++ | 20:21 |
| jaypipes | opestack security group, vulnerability management team | 20:21 |
| ttx | VMT = Vulnerability Management Team, basically handling discovered vulnerabilities | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | ossn? | 20:21 |
| ttx | OSSG = OpenStack security Group, people working on improving the state of security in openstack | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | notices? | 20:21 |
| devananda | openstack security Notice | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | k, thanks | 20:21 |
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| fungi | "note" | 20:21 |
| ttx | OSSN = OpenStack Security Notes, random best practice and security advice | 20:21 |
| ttx | OSSA = OpenStack Security Advisories, for patched vulnerabilities | 20:22 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security_Notes | 20:22 |
| ttx | OSSG produces OSSN | 20:22 |
| ttx | VMT produced OSSA | 20:22 |
| russellb | does it really change anything about how VMT operates today? just under a different team? | 20:22 |
| devananda | fungi: ah, thx for the correction | 20:22 |
| fungi | purely a governance change | 20:22 |
| mordred | ttx: hyakuhei doesn't seem to be in IRC at the moment | 20:22 |
| sdague | yeh, my only concern is that VMT still seems under staffed | 20:22 |
| ttx | russell_h: changes nothing, just works under a new parent team | 20:22 |
| fungi | same members as before, same workflows and policies | 20:23 |
| russellb | ok thanks | 20:23 |
| ttx | sdague: that doesn't help or hurt in that regard | 20:23 |
| fungi | the vmt is surprisingly not understaffed | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | if these teams all want to work together, it does seem to make sense to me | 20:23 |
| sdague | it's not clear this helps, but I guess it doesn't hurt | 20:23 |
| russellb | if the VMT is good with it, i'm good with it | 20:23 |
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| ttx | sdague: might help by exposing more sec folk to VMT work | 20:23 |
| russellb | that was the only part i wasn't sure about, since it's different people really | 20:23 |
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| fungi | we keep the vmt intentionally small to limit information exposure, and then pull in security-oriented subject matter experts in specific projects as needed | 20:24 |
| sdague | yeh, honestly, it seems all the people that care (being both vmt and ossg people) are for it | 20:24 |
| ttx | yes, we had that discussion internally to the VMT and decided it was an improvement | 20:24 |
| russellb | ttx: great thanks | 20:24 |
| sdague | so it seems like a no brainer | 20:24 |
| mordred | ttx: should we perhaps suggest or nudge that PTLs of things should be findable in irc ? | 20:24 |
| fungi | so if we're short-staffed anywhere, it's actually on the individual projects/core reviewers end of things and not really so much the vmt itself | 20:24 |
| ttx | mordred: we probably should | 20:24 |
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| ttx | mordred: with elections coming up and all, that could play a role | 20:25 |
| ttx | we have 10 yes, I'll approve now | 20:25 |
| * mordred doesn't want a policy document or anything - but I think we should at least kinda send a friendly note or something | 20:25 | |
| * fungi will prefer a security ptl candidate who uses irc | 20:25 | |
| sdague | fungi: yeh, I guess that's what I meant, in doing bug triage and finding a bunch of pretty old sec bugs that are languishing, as well as stuff that was made public a year ago and not fixed | 20:25 |
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| ttx | It's likely to conflict with previous merge anyway | 20:25 |
| fungi | sdague: yep--we welcome more developers helping fix those bugs. they don't need to be in the vmt to do so | 20:26 |
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| ttx | ok approved | 20:27 |
| fungi | if there are additional nova devs, for example, wanting to help with nova security bugs besides the ones who have already volunteered and given us a heads up, please send them our way | 20:27 |
| ttx | +1 | 20:27 |
| mikal | fungi: I was intending to do a bit of a reboot of that list at the start of Liberty | 20:27 |
| mikal | fungi: I didn't want to change it at this point in the release | 20:27 |
| fungi | mikal: sounds great--thanks@ | 20:27 |
| ttx | #topic Tags | 20:27 |
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| ttx | * Apply the team:diverse-affiliation tag (https://review.openstack.org/168968) | 20:28 |
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| ttx | We have 9 yes... ready to approve | 20:28 |
| ttx | Last minute comments/questions on that one ? | 20:28 |
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| annegent_ | ttx: who takes responsibility for applying the tag to the latest application? The project itelf? | 20:29 |
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| annegent_ | itself | 20:29 |
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| russellb | anyone who wants to | 20:29 |
| russellb | *hand wave* | 20:29 |
| ttx | yes, anyone can. I'll probably pick it up if nobody will | 20:29 |
| annegent_ | got it | 20:29 |
| ttx | OK, approving in 20 sec | 20:29 |
| ttx | approved | 20:30 |
| ttx | * Add a two-organization rule to the diverse-affiliation tag (https://review.openstack.org/168969) | 20:30 |
| ttx | Same here, approving in 30 sec | 20:30 |
| sdague | yeh, I think we should just consider it like an oslo-sync | 20:30 |
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| sdague | the scripts are out there, someone just do it when it seems like it's gotten a little stale | 20:30 |
| notmyname | o/ | 20:30 |
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| ttx | yes, I'd like to set up a proposal bot for stuff that can be automatically updated like diversity | 20:31 |
| mordred | look it's a notmyname | 20:31 |
| notmyname | is there any worry that the script in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168970/2/tools/diversity.py is based on stackalytics? is that "official" now? | 20:31 |
| sdague | ttx: or just do it at milestones as a good trigger point | 20:31 |
| russellb | notmyname: it was just easiest | 20:31 |
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| notmyname | russellb: I totally get that :-) | 20:31 |
| ttx | sdague: +1 | 20:31 |
| russellb | heh | 20:31 |
| mordred | notmyname: we've had a todo list item to pull it in to infra fora while | 20:31 |
| mordred | notmyname: but have just not gotten around to it yet | 20:32 |
| sdague | notmyname: are there specific concerns with stackalytics? | 20:32 |
| russellb | and i don't have any reason not to trust it | 20:32 |
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| notmyname | asking out of ignorance, is stackalytics open/auditable? | 20:32 |
| ttx | notmyname: we'll point it to something else when we have something better to point to :) | 20:32 |
| russellb | if so, we should figure those out | 20:32 |
| mordred | notmyname: it is | 20:32 |
| russellb | notmyname: yeah | 20:32 |
| notmyname | ah, ok then :-) | 20:32 |
| mordred | notmyname: it's in stackforge | 20:32 |
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| notmyname | all concerns addressed, then :-) | 20:32 |
| ttx | notmyname: and you can actually patch it when it's insane | 20:32 |
| fungi | there was some initial pushback, but there have been more recent interests expressed in mirantis not clutching it quite so tightly | 20:32 |
| ttx | ok, approving now | 20:32 |
| annegent_ | mordred: the more we rely on stackalytics and not activity.openstack the worse off activity.openstack gets though? | 20:32 |
| sdague | yeh, it would be nicer if it was in -infra instead of run by a single company | 20:32 |
| mordred | jaypipes: we should really get around to getting around to that ... | 20:32 |
| devananda | that it is in stackforge makes me happier with it | 20:33 |
| fungi | so if we do want to move it over to become an infra project or something that seems more possible now than it was a few months ago | 20:33 |
| devananda | mordred: but moving it to infra at this point would be good | 20:33 |
| mordred | annegent_: I believe stackalytics won the stackalytics vs. activity battle a long time ago | 20:33 |
| russellb | activity.o.o is not useful for this AFAIK | 20:33 |
| sdague | annegent_: activity.openstack is very not good | 20:33 |
| ttx | yes we need to have that discussion about activity reporting tools again | 20:33 |
| annegent_ | but the not very good is due to inattention? | 20:33 |
| annegent_ | that's what I'm wondering | 20:33 |
| sdague | also, architecture / platform | 20:33 |
| russellb | not sure it had much hope | 20:33 |
| annegent_ | ok | 20:33 |
| mordred | annegent_: well, it's also not good due to being implemented in a way that's opaque to our community | 20:33 |
| russellb | yeah, that | 20:33 |
| ttx | approved. | 20:33 |
| fungi | it's similarly maintained by one company right now, just one that's not an openstack member company at all | 20:34 |
| ttx | * Add diversity helper script (https://review.openstack.org/168970) | 20:34 |
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| ttx | I think that's more on-topic | 20:34 |
| mrmartin | fungi: we are moving activity.o.o under infra | 20:34 |
| fungi | yep | 20:34 |
| ttx | 5 yes, missing last 2 | 20:34 |
| jaypipes | mordred: agreed. offline convo. | 20:34 |
| mordred | jaypipes: ++ | 20:34 |
| ttx | Any question on that that would help in voting ? | 20:34 |
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| ttx | I think a script is better than no script, so +1 | 20:35 |
| sdague | no, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168970/ seems kind of crucial, as that's the tool to build the other reviews | 20:35 |
| ttx | one more neded | 20:35 |
| russellb | plenty that could be improved to automate more of it | 20:35 |
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| russellb | but that's how much i had done just for myself when writing the tag def. | 20:35 |
| russellb | so seemed worth saving off | 20:35 |
| sdague | there we go | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | would be useful to have a tox environment to run it, with dependencies listed, etc, but that can come in another patch | 20:36 |
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| ttx | OK, approving now | 20:36 |
| sdague | dhellmann: it only needs requests | 20:36 |
| ttx | * Add "release:has-stable-branches" tag (https://review.openstack.org/169777) | 20:36 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: today | 20:36 |
| ttx | So this one was created as a follow-up to the application of the other release tags. | 20:36 |
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| ttx | Application showed that we were putting in the same bag (tag) things that were releasing at the same time as the managed 6-month release (like Manila) and things that just had a stable branch cut from their last kilo release (like python-*client or Oslo libs). | 20:36 |
| ttx | Both are useful pieces of downstream information, and both are actually distinct | 20:37 |
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| ttx | So creating a tag to describe "what has stable branches" (and keeping the release:at-6mo-cycle-end to really mean at the end of the 6-month cycle) allows to communicate both | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | this seems like a good clarification to me | 20:37 |
| ttx | Proposal creates tag and applies it, so that it's clear what it changes | 20:37 |
| ttx | Although it will need a rebase | 20:37 |
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| ttx | Let me know on the review if you have additional questions on it | 20:38 |
| annegent_ | good thinking | 20:38 |
| ttx | Although if it gets two more +1 I'll approve it now and rebase it for discretionary powers | 20:38 |
| ttx | s/for/using/ | 20:38 |
| russellb | +1 | 20:38 |
| ianw | fungi: hey, could you get me a rax centos7 host? i'm still debugging the glusterfs job. i can not get it to replicate on a host i've created under my own account; even after running puppet and getting things looking pretty similar. i want to check that i'm looking at the same kernel version, etc. also i'm wondering if jenkins itself influences this | 20:39 |
| ttx | Alright, 7 it has. Approved, althogh I doubt it will just merge silently | 20:39 |
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| ttx | #topic Defcore process discussion | 20:39 |
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| ttx | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/defcore/tree/process/2015A.rst | 20:39 |
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| hogepodge | Egle and Rob aren't able to make it | 20:40 |
| ttx | zehicle is stuck somewhere but we have other Defcore people around | 20:40 |
| ttx | zehicle asked for some time for us to discuss the approved defcore process | 20:40 |
| ttx | It's not totally clear if the new bylaws require us to approve it (it mentions we need to agree with the board on thr procedure to follow to update the Defcore process) | 20:40 |
| ttx | But in all cases it's better if we do not strongly disagree with it | 20:40 |
| ttx | My only gripe with the process as laid out on 2015A.rst is that it's unclear that capabilities and required sections are drawn from the "TC-approved release" projects | 20:40 |
| russellb | mostly i think we need to agree to the parts that require our participation | 20:40 |
| ttx | (which is a requirement from the bylaws) | 20:40 |
| russellb | otherwise, *shrug* | 20:40 |
| ttx | So further clarification could be introduced to that effect, but the process does not look completely crazy as it stands. | 20:40 |
| * dhellmann needs to finish that tag definition proposal | 20:41 | |
| hogepodge | Updates were made to the doc this morning at a large meeting. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DefCoreScale.10B | 20:41 |
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| hogepodge | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171335/ | 20:41 |
| ttx | Did TC member read enough of the proposed process to have an opinion on it ? Or should we wait until next week until everyone had a chance to dive into it ? | 20:41 |
| Rockyg | ttx: suggest a patch to clarify | 20:41 |
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| russellb | if there are changes this morning, we probably need time to see what changed | 20:41 |
| ttx | Rockyg: I probably will | 20:41 |
| * devananda has not read updated version yet | 20:42 | |
| * dhellmann needs time to read the updated version | 20:42 | |
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| dhellmann | hogepodge: is that etherpad what we should be reviewing, or is there a patch somewhere under review? | 20:42 |
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| ttx | Rockyg, hogepodge: could one of you clarify what Defcore means by "guideline" ? | 20:42 |
| * dhellmann notes the second link is a review | 20:42 | |
| hogepodge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171335/ consensus patch to update process document | 20:42 |
| Rockyg | dhellmann: it's the patch hogpodge posted | 20:43 |
| * dhellmann nods | 20:43 | |
| ttx | hogepodge, Rockyg: or have an example of a "guideline" ? | 20:43 |
| russellb | thanks for the link | 20:43 |
| annegent_ | is the process still to be defined for "PTLs Recommend Changes to Designated Sections"? | 20:43 |
| annegent_ | such as timing, to whom, how | 20:44 |
| ttx | hogepodge: is it a set of Capabilities and Designated sections to cover a given mark ? | 20:44 |
| Rockyg | Well, don't quote me on this, but guideline is the stuff the vendors have to do to qualify for mark | 20:44 |
| hogepodge | ttx this is the latest guideline https://github.com/openstack/defcore/blob/master/2015.04.json | 20:44 |
| hogepodge | so that's the test, as I understand it from the lexicon. | 20:44 |
| Rockyg | And with the latest patch, the guideline will include designated sections | 20:44 |
| ttx | hogepodge: thx, that makes much more sense now | 20:44 |
| * jaypipes being honest: doubts will be able to digest this defcore stuff. | 20:45 | |
| hogepodge | Yes, the defcore repository has a lot of information, with the desire to bring it under greater community scrutiny. #link https://github.com/openstack/defcore | 20:45 |
| ttx | So my suggestion would be for TC members to have a look and if they feel strongly about it, intervene on the defcore ML and/or on the defcore reviews | 20:45 |
| sdague | ttx: sounds reasonable. | 20:45 |
| ttx | Since I don't think discussing this for 10 more minutes will get us anywhere | 20:46 |
| ttx | then we can schedule some time to discuss it next week | 20:46 |
| russellb | I think we should be looking to keep our involvement minimized, aside from what's required in bylaws, personally | 20:46 |
| ttx | russellb: yes | 20:46 |
| hogepodge | We also have a meeting tomorrow, 9 PDT, info on the mailing list. | 20:46 |
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| ttx | russellb: I want to clarify the famous procedure that the bylaws mandate we have and then let Defcore do their thing | 20:46 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171335/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171338/ and I think it will lead you to more useful questions | 20:47 |
| russellb | ttx: +1 | 20:47 |
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| ttx | russellb: and as far as we are concerned the proceudre will mostly be on how to remove the "tc-approved-release" tag from some established projects | 20:47 |
| Rockyg | You can ask the questions on the review so that the committee clarifies them. | 20:47 |
| * jaypipes thinks the DefCore group/team/project/repo should be renamed os-branding-requirements | 20:47 | |
| ttx | so it will be part of the tag definition. | 20:47 |
| annegent_ | Rockyg: yep did so | 20:47 |
| mordred | jaypipes: ++ | 20:48 |
| russellb | ttx: cool, makes sense | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | jaypipes: ++ | 20:48 |
| ttx | OK, I propose we move on | 20:48 |
| hogepodge | thanks. | 20:48 |
| Rockyg | Thanks | 20:48 |
| * russellb has a tab open for this ... the ultimate todo list | 20:48 | |
| annegent_ | thanks hogepodge and Rockyg | 20:49 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:49 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to propose to include tc-approved-release subsetting as a part of the process | 20:49 |
| ttx | #topic Projects list housekeeping | 20:49 |
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| ttx | * Adds openstack/tripleo-common to TripleO... (https://review.openstack.org/166723) | 20:49 |
| ttx | That one is the artist previously known under a confusing os-cloud-management name | 20:49 |
| ttx | I think under its current form it's not confusing anymore | 20:50 |
| mikal | Yeah, I appreciate the name change | 20:50 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:50 |
| ttx | Will approve (since it has PTL +1) unless someone opposes it | 20:50 |
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| ttx | * Add new project puppet-pgsql_backup to infra (https://review.openstack.org/168117) | 20:50 |
| zaneb | \o/ | 20:50 |
| ttx | Basic project addition, approved by PTL, will approve post-meeting unless someone objects | 20:50 |
| ttx | oh actually has 7 yes now | 20:51 |
| ttx | approving now | 20:51 |
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| mikal | One day someone will explain to me why each of these is its own repo | 20:51 |
| mikal | But whatevers | 20:51 |
| mrmartin | \o/ | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | mikal: the tripleo and infra teams are having a competition to create the most repos | 20:51 |
| mordred | mikal: because we make them so that they can be reusable generally by puppet people broadly | 20:51 |
| russellb | mikal: makes it easier to reuse them i think | 20:51 |
| mrmartin | mikal: those modules were split apart from system-config in feb | 20:51 |
| mordred | mikal: and the convention is git-repo-per-module | 20:51 |
| ttx | * Update wording for Murano mission (https://review.openstack.org/168299) | 20:51 |
| mikal | mordred: herm, I think I prefer the racing tripleo explaination | 20:52 |
| ttx | More than enough +1s, approving now | 20:52 |
| mordred | mikal: ok. it's because we're racing | 20:52 |
| mikal | mordred: thanks for the honesty :P | 20:52 |
| mordred | mikal: btw, I believe we're winning by a fair margin | 20:52 |
| ttx | * Add 'regulatory' to congress service name (https://review.openstack.org/169480) | 20:52 |
| ttx | So this one is to clarify usage of "policy" in Congress service name | 20:52 |
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| mikal | sdague: makes comments whcih confuse me here | 20:52 |
| ttx | We can bikeshed a bit on the clearest wording | 20:52 |
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| dhellmann | mordred: infra is cheating by making more things than the rest of us ;-) | 20:53 |
| mikal | Perhaps its because its 6am, but his regexp didn't parse for me | 20:53 |
| ttx | I agree that anything but "policy" makes sense | 20:53 |
| mordred | dhellmann: :) | 20:53 |
| sdague | mikal: I was trying to replace out the use of naked policy use | 20:53 |
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| sdague | I think we need to scrub the world policy out of congress otherwise we're just confusing everyone | 20:54 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 20:54 |
| annegent_ | agreed | 20:54 |
| ttx | we could make a "policy" tag and apply it to azll the projects that have some use for the word "policy" (all must be different) | 20:54 |
| * sdague glares | 20:55 | |
| * mordred throws angry cow at ttx | 20:55 | |
| zaneb | rofl | 20:55 |
| ttx | Maybe next year's april's fools | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: or we could have a policy forbidding the use of the term policy in the description or name of any project | 20:55 |
| mikal | Next year will be the year I translate nova comments to the queen's english | 20:55 |
| ttx | that sounds a lot less funny though | 20:55 |
| mordred | dhellmann: can that policy also abide by the policy? | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | mordred: I accept your challenge | 20:56 |
| ttx | I guess we should continue to bikeshed a bit on this one... it's far from having the required votes/support | 20:56 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:56 |
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| ttx | annegentle added the following topic to the backlog last week: | 20:56 |
| sdague | anyway, alternative word smithing would be appreciated, that's the best I could add after last week's meeting | 20:56 |
| ttx | * Need guidance for docs.openstack.org publishing and brand guidelines, especially for newest projects (http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2015-March/000356.html) | 20:56 |
| ttx | Not sure there is anything left to discuss there though ? | 20:56 |
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| annegent_ | I met with Foundation lawyers and sent out a ML post | 20:57 |
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| ttx | annegent_: did you get the droids you were looking for ? | 20:57 |
| ttx | ok | 20:57 |
| annegent_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060710.html | 20:57 |
| annegent_ | so big tent docs, go | 20:57 |
| ttx | What else... | 20:57 |
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| ttx | I'll be setting up some google form and spreadsheet to collect session ideas for the cross-project session, as mentioned on the -tc list | 20:57 |
| ttx | Who is interested in crafting the session list ? Will require some availability in the coming weeks | 20:58 |
| fungi | annegent_: did you manage to get clarification on cc-by declaration for documents and whether there needs to be an asl2 disclaimer for code samples included in them? | 20:58 |
| ttx | I'll need at least a couple of people | 20:58 |
| annegent_ | fungi: not yet, will follow up once I have clarity | 20:58 |
| fungi | thanks | 20:58 |
| annegent_ | fungi: ayup | 20:58 |
| markmcclain | ttx: can help as long as it's not apr 16-27th | 20:58 |
| ttx | markmcclain: that sounds pretty much the timeframe we'll work on that | 20:59 |
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| annegent_ | ttx: I can help with cross project listing | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I can help | 20:59 |
| Rockyg | ttx: be happy to help, but not sure I'm qualified | 20:59 |
| ttx | we'll likely involve all TC on the voting part -- at this point I need partners in crime to help with the list | 20:59 |
| ttx | OK, volunteers noted | 21:00 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:00 |
| ttx | I'll work on the design summit slot allocation at the end of the week, hopefully will be able to give confirmation to every team on Friday | 21:00 |
| ttx | Might ask the TC for advice if we end up needing to give some teams less than they asked | 21:01 |
| ttx | but at this point it looks pretty good | 21:01 |
| ttx | (i.e. we should be able to give everyone more or less what they asked for | 21:01 |
| ttx | (still to be confirmed with newly-elected PTLs of course) | 21:01 |
| ttx | OK, we are overtime | 21:02 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 7 21:02:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-07-20.02.html | 21:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-07-20.02.txt | 21:02 |
| russellb | thanks all | 21:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2015/tc.2015-04-07-20.02.log.html | 21:02 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:02 |
| fungi | no cross-project meeting looks like? agenda's still empty | 21:02 |
| ttx | We skipped the cross-project meeting due to lack of topics | 21:02 |
| fungi | cross-project meeting: skipped by popular demand! | 21:02 |
| ttx | Remember to add to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting to suggest discussion topics | 21:02 |
| ttx | dhellmann: while you're around | 21:03 |
| fungi | cooperation is overrated anyway | 21:03 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: A popular question during the syncs was around random libraries in each project and when to cut stable branches there | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I'm here for a few minutes - I'm not sure when we're landing | 21:03 |
| dhellmann | non-oslo libs? | 21:04 |
| ttx | dhellmann: We might want to take some time at some point to go over them and see how much work they need | 21:04 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 21:04 |
| devananda | dhellmann: yea, non-oslo. for example, ironic-python-agent or ironic-discoverd | 21:04 |
| ttx | applying the stable branch policy for libraries | 21:04 |
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| dhellmann | my first reaction is to say the same schedule as oslo (a week early) but we could probably be more flexible in some cases | 21:04 |
| ttx | dhellmann: my take was to cut stable branches from all of them ASAP based on their last kilo release | 21:04 |
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| devananda | these are not actually libraries, so i'm not sure that the new policy applies though | 21:05 |
| ttx | and handle corner cases | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | ttx; yes, makes sense | 21:05 |
| ttx | dhellmann: At one poijnt we need to cap on stable branches, right ? | 21:05 |
| fungi | soon after integrated release at the latest, well before landing any potentially breaking changes (no matter how subtle and unassuming they might feel) | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | devananda: ok, so if it's just code splitting, then doing it in sync with the main app project might make more sense | 21:05 |
| jogo | dhellmann: worst case is to retroactively cut a stable as needed | 21:05 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yep, that's why we do oslo early | 21:05 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I'm a bit afraid that ironic discoverd plans to cut a release after ironic RCs | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | jogo: the test jobs that install libs from source will fail for some updates in stable branch configurations for the apps | 21:06 |
| devananda | dhellmann: right, gotcha. so for these, coordinated with ironic makes the most sense | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | jogo: esp. requirements updates, but also sometimes API changes | 21:06 |
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| jogo | dhellmann: hmm yeah the tests make that hard your right | 21:06 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: we are doing stable branches and capping client libs now too, right? | 21:06 |
| dhellmann | devananda: we should be, I don't know if anyone has actually implemented it | 21:06 |
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| sdague | devananda: so if they are so tightly bound to ironic, synchronous release, why are they in separate repos? I would have expected more slack between the repos. | 21:07 |
| devananda | dhellmann: eg, python-ironicclient isn't in nova's requirements.txt, but we do need to pin it somehow | 21:07 |
| dhellmann | sdague: used by >1 ironic project, maybe? | 21:07 |
| fungi | yeah, basically your stable branch will get stable requirements updates proposed to it rather than master updates | 21:07 |
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| dhellmann | devananda, ttx: I'm going to lose wifi soon as we start landing, can one of you start a ML thread? | 21:07 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I will, but tomorrow | 21:08 |
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| ttx | devananda: you can beat me to it if you want | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | devananda: capping will happen in the global list | 21:08 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, devananda: I want to list all affected libs first | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | for libs that aren't used by more than one project team, it's a bit less important to cap early | 21:08 |
| ttx | and their current status | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | makes sense, there may be different solutions | 21:08 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: ah, great. our client lib is in global reqs, so we're covered there then | 21:09 |
| jogo | dhellmann: when should we cap global reqs? | 21:09 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'm a bit afraid that we get borked by a late release and corresponding requirements bump needing to be propagated everywhere | 21:09 |
| jogo | as last I checked only oslo has started that | 21:09 |
| dhellmann | ttx: late releases should be limited to bug fixes, which are patch releases, which don't need a requirements update | 21:09 |
| devananda | sdague: different developer/reviewer teams | 21:09 |
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| jogo | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L113 | 21:09 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: by late release I mean... some lib realizes they haven't made a release and suddenly does a major kilo one | 21:10 |
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| dhellmann | jogo: we can do that after we have a stable/kilo branch of g-r, I think | 21:10 |
| ttx | devananda mentioned discoverd still needing to make their "'kilo" release | 21:10 |
| dhellmann | ttx: that's what we're trying to avoid with the caps, so maybe they just lose out and learn to pay attention to the schedule next cyle | 21:10 |
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| ttx | Although I wonder if that qualifies as a "library" | 21:10 |
| devananda | ttx: I dont think it does | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we're beyond a requirements freeze, right? | 21:11 |
| ttx | devananda: If it does what its name says it does | 21:11 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 21:11 |
| jogo | dhellmann: that works for me | 21:11 |
| devananda | ttx: discoverd is a separate service that optionally integrates with ironic | 21:11 |
| ttx | devananda: ok, makes sense. Release when you want then | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that doesn't sound like a library | 21:11 |
| jogo | dhellmann: btw adam_g's effort to work on a better solution then just capping direct dependencies seems to have stalled out | 21:11 |
| devananda | ack, ty | 21:12 |
| ttx | devananda: you might not even want a stable branch for that | 21:12 |
| ttx | OK, I'll list the libs and start a thread | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | jogo: yeah, I haven't had a chance to review the latest draft | 21:12 |
| ttx | dhellmann: thx | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | ttx: thanks | 21:12 |
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| jogo | devananda: we need to cap reqs for anything that is used as a python library -- so if nothing imports discovered as a python lib you are safe | 21:12 |
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| devananda | jogo: as far as gate goes, the only concern I'd have is python-ironicclient, which it sounds like is covered already | 21:13 |
| jogo | devananda: right, that will need a stable branch | 21:14 |
| devananda | *nod* | 21:14 |
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| jogo | since we will cap the reqs on the stable branch etc. | 21:14 |
| devananda | ttx: anything I need to do to create that stable branch? | 21:14 |
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| ttx | devananda: I'll probably do them all once I listed the libs | 21:15 |
| devananda | jogo: i thought libraries are pinned by release number, not stable/foo ? | 21:15 |
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| jogo | devananda: correct, but we want to backport only bug fixes | 21:16 |
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| jogo | devananda: and we get cases where new lib versions may have very incompatible deps | 21:16 |
| devananda | indeed | 21:16 |
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| jogo | since we aggressively bump min versions | 21:16 |
| devananda | clearly i should read the policy doc | 21:16 |
| fungi | pin stable requirements to <x.(y+1) and then only release x.y.* from the stable branch and continue with x.(y+1) and later on master | 21:17 |
| devananda | fungi: ty. that was the piece missing from my mind | 21:17 |
| jogo | devananda: ^ that is the important part | 21:17 |
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| fungi | and if you take too long to create your stable branch, you're in the unfortunate position of trying to untangle releasable but necessary backports from unreleasable patches on master | 21:18 |
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| fungi | so better to branch as soon as it's feasible rather than waiting until you're about to tag a release and realize you have non-backward-compatible things (even just requirements updates) lurking therein | 21:20 |
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| fungi | which gets you into the mindset of evaluating patches on master for stable suitability as you go along | 21:21 |
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