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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 00:01:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-01-23.01.html | 00:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-01-23.01.txt | 00:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_team/2015/product_team.2015-04-01-23.01.log.html | 00:01 |
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| Daisy | Hello | 08:00 |
| Fdot | hello Daisy :) | 08:00 |
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| Daisy | Hi, Fdot | 08:01 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 08:01:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:01 |
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| Daisy | Hi, Fdot | 08:01 |
| Daisy | I see the French translation is done. | 08:01 |
| Daisy | That's great. | 08:01 |
| epico | Hi, Daisy | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | The active translation team are always active. | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | French, German, Korean, Japanese, Chinese Taiwan, Chinese mainland | 08:03 |
| Daisy | I see all these team have good progress with the translation. | 08:03 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico | 08:03 |
| Daisy | #topic Horizon translation status update and issues collections | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Horizon translation status update and issues collections (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:03 | |
| Daisy | I don't meet with any issues with the translation till now. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | The translation check website http://157.7.133.23:13580/ is still available. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | After translation, we could login and make some small tests. | 08:05 |
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| Daisy | Maybe just go through to see the translated web UI. | 08:05 |
| anish__ | Hi | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Hi, anish__ | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Nice to see you are back. | 08:06 |
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| anish__ | Daisy, thank you | 08:06 |
| Daisy | if no issues with the translation, let's move to open discussions. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussion | 08:07 |
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| Fdot | daisy for the test site are the logins changed ? | 08:07 |
| Daisy | I didn't try it yet. | 08:07 |
| Fdot | I tried this morning : admin and i18n-juno | 08:08 |
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| Fdot | and it doesn't works | 08:08 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:08 |
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| Fdot | it worked last week :) | 08:08 |
| Daisy | oh. | 08:08 |
| Daisy | Fdot, is it a latest openstack ? or an old version ? | 08:08 |
| Daisy | I don't know if it has new features. | 08:08 |
| Fdot | I think it was the latest | 08:09 |
| Daisy | that's great. | 08:10 |
| Fdot | but i was not sure and I wanted to ask during this meeting :) | 08:10 |
| Fdot | but now I am no longer able to access it :D | 08:10 |
| Daisy | We could ask amotoki after the meeting. | 08:10 |
| Fdot | Daisy: thanks a lot :) | 08:11 |
| Daisy | As to Vancouver summit, I have delivered and will deliver 9 registration codes for the summit. | 08:12 |
| Daisy | That's not a small number, because I understand how hard the translators get travel support. | 08:12 |
| Daisy | 9 codes in total. | 08:13 |
| Daisy | so at least, there would be 10 translators be there, including me. | 08:13 |
| * Fdot will be there too | 08:14 | |
| Daisy | Łukasz Jernaś has a speech to share his experiences in translations. | 08:14 |
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| Daisy | Łukasz Jernaś has a speech to share his experiences in translations in Vancouver summit. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | We could meet there. | 08:15 |
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| Daisy | I will get a meeting for our translators. We could sit together and have talks. | 08:15 |
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| Daisy | Anything else to talk ? | 08:16 |
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| Daisy | anish__: the new Zanata version is release. Carlos told me the API querys are included. | 08:17 |
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| anish__ | Daisy, yeah i will start working on it | 08:18 |
| Daisy | I hope we could make some simple demos with these API queries. | 08:18 |
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| anish__ | Daisy, yeah till next meeting we will have something to show | 08:18 |
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| Daisy | great, anish__ | 08:18 |
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| Daisy | So I will put it in the agenda of next meeting. | 08:19 |
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| anish__ | Daisy, sure thanks | 08:19 |
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| Daisy | If no topics, we could close the meeting, and then we could have time to continue our work. | 08:21 |
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| Daisy | Thank you for attending. | 08:21 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 08:21:47 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-04-02-08.01.html | 08:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-04-02-08.01.txt | 08:21 |
| Fdot | Daisy: thank you :) | 08:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-04-02-08.01.log.html | 08:21 |
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| Fdot | have a good day/evening everybody ! | 08:22 |
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| anish__ | Thank you Daisy | 08:24 |
| epico | Thank you Daisy | 08:25 |
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| Daisy | Thank you. Have a nice day. | 08:29 |
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| ndipanov | o/ | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 14:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| ndipanov | o/ | 14:00 |
| neiljerram | o/ | 14:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:00 |
| dims | o/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | \o | 14:00 |
| bmwiedemann | o/ | 14:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:00 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
| claudiub | o/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Kilo Release Status | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo Release Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| johnthetubaguy | hello hello | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so its the final burn down to RC | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically lets merge lots of bug fixes and test kilo as much as we can | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets leave the bug talk to the bug section | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Gate status | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
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| mriedem | stable was busted but that's fixed now | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there was a gate fix around policy issues, but anything else cropping up? | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, fixed now is better than not fixed | 14:02 |
| mriedem | there was a bad trace with n-net and deallocate after some tempest changes but that's fixed and i'll backport to stable today | 14:02 |
| mriedem | i've added links to some non-voting jobs | 14:03 |
| sdague | o/ | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: anything you need people to jump on | 14:03 |
| ndipanov | the pci bug with compute not being able to start has a fix re-posted and it looks better | 14:03 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:03 |
| mriedem | aiocpu (multi-node devstack job that runs live migration testing) fails a lot, see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1438803 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1438803 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirt error libvirtError: Requested operation is not valid: nwfilter is in use hit in _post_live_migration" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 14:03 |
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| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131321/ <<== this | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i have a patch up for ^ but it's hacky and i haven't seen it demonstrate that it hits the flow | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we are talking gate bugs here | 14:03 |
| bauzas | we have the cells job that is going to be fixed soon | 14:03 |
| ndipanov | ah ok | 14:03 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i realize, but these are also jobs running on nova code | 14:04 |
| mriedem | so if they don't work, it means nova doesn't work | 14:04 |
| bauzas | but let's discuss about the cells job on the bugs section | 14:04 |
| ndipanov | sorry bout that | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: totally | 14:04 |
| mriedem | oh, nvm :) | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i got defensive for nothing | 14:04 |
| mriedem | moving on - ceph job: ceph non-voting job fails hard on test_volume_boot_pattern: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1439371 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1439371 in Cinder "Volume creation from image fails for UEC+Ceph" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Jon Bernard (jbernard) | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: and jbernard looked at that yesterday, looks like it's in cinder's court now? | 14:04 |
| dansmith | yeah, although I doubt there will be a fix for kilo | 14:05 |
| mriedem | ouch | 14:05 |
| dansmith | jbernard is going to try | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: not got priorities on these, what do you want to set them as? | 14:05 |
| dansmith | but I think it's probably not going to happen | 14:05 |
| dansmith | however, it's not a huge deal, IMHO | 14:05 |
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| dansmith | it's only ceph with UEC images AND boot from volume | 14:05 |
| dansmith | easy to release note that and fix it | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, OK, so we can probably mark that with the tag: https://launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 14:05 |
| dansmith | I am working on a change to the gate to use the disk image for ceph jobs | 14:05 |
| mriedem | for the live migration one, i don't know if that's an rc blocker or not | 14:05 |
| dansmith | so we can get actual runs again | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: just thinking we should triage the bug, thats all really | 14:06 |
| mriedem | if i can get a run with my workaround retry patch for live migration and show it's hitting the retry loop, we could merge that as a workaround for kilo | 14:06 |
| sdague | mriedem: on livemigration it's something we only recently got testing, so I'm not surprised we're exposing issues | 14:06 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: well, we were told it's due to super old libvirt/qemu | 14:06 |
| sdague | mostly we should consider them for backporting | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: yeah, thats a good point | 14:07 |
| dansmith | if they're not regressions, they're less important I think | 14:07 |
| mriedem | yeah, like i said, not an rc blocker imo | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | +1 to all those comments | 14:07 |
| mriedem | the other thing i had listed was the cells job, but sounds like bauzas was going to talk about that later | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I trust mriedem to make that clear on the bug | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools… | 14:07 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: well, all the related bugs are RC1 related | 14:07 |
| bauzas | but we can give a status here | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:08 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so before we start… a quick process reminder | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we can release RC1 once all the bugs listed here are merged: | 14:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | …so | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | rc1 is sort of scheduled for 4/9 right? | 14:09 |
| mriedem | a week from now | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | please only target bugs to rc1 if you think we should block the release on that | 14:09 |
| mriedem | or is 4/9 just when the project / release manageres get really antsy? | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yes, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 14:09 |
| sdague | 4/9 is the last possible day | 14:09 |
| ndipanov | well block seems strong here | 14:09 |
| bauzas | mriedem: question was answered by mikal saying "the sooner is the better" | 14:09 |
| bauzas | ideally before 4/9 IIUC | 14:10 |
| sdague | yeh, earlier is better | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | yeah, we can also do rc2 if needed | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, we don't want to cut RC1 too early, so we force RC2, but yeah | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, so thats the exit criteria | 14:10 |
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| ndipanov | we have the importance - so I would imageine we target what we think is reasonable to land | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | all the RC1 targeted bugs merged | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if you target a bug, you are saying "please block the release on this" | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we also have a tag | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | if you want to say, please consider blocking on this one | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | then use this: | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=kilo-rc-potential | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, so does that all sound like people expected? | 14:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its the same juno, as far as I remember | 14:11 |
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| ndipanov | yes mostly | 14:11 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yep | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info targeting to kilo-rc1 means please block the kilo release on my bug | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets talk bugs | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was a cells one? | 14:12 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:13 |
| bauzas | so, just a quick status | 14:13 |
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| bauzas | chain starting with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168294/3 is marked as RC1 and targets to reduce the failures down to 3 | 14:13 |
| sdague | bauzas: and the last 3 are going to be whitelisted out right? | 14:13 |
| bauzas | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166396/ is whitelisting those 3 | 14:14 |
| bauzas | with a Depends-On tag on the last patch from the series | 14:14 |
| sdague | yeh, I'm not sure why we do depends on there | 14:14 |
| bauzas | all the patches but one are good to review, I should privode a last update for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/169400/3 by the 2 next hours | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: if we did depends the other way around we should see the cells test pass I guess? | 14:15 |
| bauzas | sdague: because it will remove from the whitelist the failures that are fixed by the series | 14:15 |
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| sdague | johnthetubaguy: no we wouldn't | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK, I guess we can't depend on that repo | 14:16 |
| sdague | bauzas: we can do it offline, but it's not needed here, I'm going to delete it | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, cool | 14:16 |
| bauzas | sdague: okay, let's discuss offline, sure | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any more on those? they look good but not quite blockers I guess | 14:16 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we actually would like to see the cells job green by Kilo hence the RC1 tag | 14:16 |
| bauzas | if not, it would require backports | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: OK | 14:17 |
| sdague | bauzas: if so, you need to respin patches faster when alaski -1s them :) | 14:17 |
| bauzas | sdague: yey, I know... | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more for this before we go onto the open discussion bits? | 14:17 |
| edleafe | bauzas: I can help if needed | 14:18 |
| sdague | honestly, I don't think the cells patches should hold up rc, because they are iterating too slow | 14:18 |
| alaski | if it comes to it I agree, but I would like to see them in | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I am with you, we can remove those when we get closer | 14:18 |
| bauzas | sdague: eh, it was -1'd yesterday evening my time | 14:18 |
| alaski | I can help iterate too | 14:18 |
| dansmith | not holding up rc makes sense | 14:19 |
| dansmith | continuing to merge until the line does as well, IMHO | 14:19 |
| sdague | dansmith: ++ | 14:19 |
| dansmith | they *have* made amazing progress in a short time, | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 | 14:19 |
| dansmith | progress that we've been looking for for years :) | 14:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | …. to be clear | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can merge any non-violating bug fixes until we try to cut RC1 | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | so no need to target a bug to be able to merge it right now | 14:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are trusting all cores to do the right thing here | 14:20 |
| bauzas | okay, lemme try to fix the -1 in that hour, that's doable | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, moving on | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic open discussion | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:21 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so skipping stuck reviews | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | as there are non in the agenda | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | lets go through the agenda here | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060360.html | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | systemz fun | 14:22 |
| mriedem | markus_z: ^? | 14:22 |
| markus_z | yepp, that's me | 14:22 |
| dansmith | aren't we using fakelibvirt in the tests? | 14:22 |
| mriedem | we should be | 14:22 |
| dansmith | are they not running them in tox or something? | 14:22 |
| sdague | dansmith: yeh, I thought so, it might be falling back through under some cases? | 14:22 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I just added an item for the Bugs section in the agenda just before the meeting | 14:22 |
| bauzas | (my badf) | 14:22 |
| mriedem | are we requireing zkvm CI to run unit tests? | 14:22 |
| dansmith | I didn't think it ... would. | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i thought it was just tempest? | 14:23 |
| dansmith | generally that's the case, yeah | 14:23 |
| mriedem | we don't require other virt drivers to run unit tests | 14:23 |
| mriedem | *CI i mean | 14:23 |
| dansmith | right | 14:23 |
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| dansmith | saying the unit tests pass on platform X (or Z heh) doesn't mean much, IMHO | 14:23 |
| dansmith | just a waste of resources I think | 14:23 |
| mriedem | yeah | 14:23 |
| mriedem | markus_z: so don't run unit tests on z :) | 14:23 |
| mriedem | focus on tempest | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: +1 | 14:24 |
| dansmith | problem solved! | 14:24 |
| markus_z | Thanks, that was easy :) | 14:24 |
| dansmith | heh | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, hypervisor support matrix | 14:24 |
| mriedem | also z | 14:24 |
| markus_z | That's also from my side. | 14:24 |
| mriedem | markus_z: for the support matrix, i think you just need to get a patch up and then it'll be iterated in review | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:24 |
| markus_z | Is the CI a precondition? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | if something is partial, i think there is a place to add notes | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | no | 14:25 |
| mriedem | well, i assume not | 14:25 |
| mriedem | zkvm blueprint is merged and in tree | 14:25 |
| markus_z | Some items are unclear to me, what do I do with them? | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: CI is more about A vs C catagory | 14:25 |
| markus_z | johnthetubaguy: Ah, ok | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | markus_z: maybe put TBD in the review and then -W it | 14:25 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:25 |
| mriedem | then iterate in review | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | TBD in the table cell i mean for the item in question | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets get the known ticks and known crosses | 14:25 |
| jichen | johnthetubaguy: does that means any hypervisor can submit it without CI ?code in stackforge is also ok? | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | jichen: no | 14:26 |
| mriedem | powervc and zvm in stackforge don't apply here, or nova-docker :) | 14:26 |
| mriedem | zkvm is in tree in the libvirt driver | 14:26 |
| dansmith | right | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | jichen: we are talking about in three drivers here | 14:26 |
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| jichen | mriedem: ok, got it | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/three/tree/ | 14:26 |
| jichen | johnthetubaguy: ok, thanks | 14:26 |
| mriedem | jichen: you should probably have your own support matrix for zvm in the stackforge repo though | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: have we unblocked you now? | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: I guess just get the review up, and we can talk more in gerrit | 14:27 |
| markus_z | Not yet, sorry. | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | np, whats the next question? | 14:27 |
| markus_z | Some of the items itself are unclear. Even in the description there is "something something, dark side". | 14:27 |
| markus_z | That's what I meant | 14:27 |
| dansmith | markus_z: let's talk about them off the meeting | 14:27 |
| dansmith | assuming you're talking about the matrix... | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: right, lets talk about that offline | 14:28 |
| markus_z | dansmith: yes I do | 14:28 |
| dansmith | cool | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | just catch us in #openstack-nova as normal | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | cools | 14:28 |
| markus_z | OK, pushing it next week and talk in review | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so a message from mikal… | 14:28 |
| mriedem | no family guy jokes here! | 14:28 |
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| markus_z | okidoki | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060360.html | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | arg | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-summit-ideas | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats what I meant | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | the flood gates are open | 14:29 |
| mriedem | well, you can probably throw nova-net -> neutron migration on there | 14:29 |
| mriedem | and evacuate | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I would expect to be requested to have a spec up for review, if you want to discussion your feature at the summit | 14:29 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: how many fishbowl sessions ? | 14:30 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: 2 days ? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think the deadline for sessions will be announced post election | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I think so | 14:30 |
| mriedem | fwiw, i hope everything is scheduled similar to paris | 14:30 |
| cfriesen | mriedem: evacuate? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | same as last time, is what I remember we agreed | 14:30 |
| mriedem | with 2 back to back sessions for hairy issues | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:30 |
| dansmith | cfriesen: yeah, as in "effing fix it" | 14:30 |
| bauzas | ok, then the contrib meetup, fair | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | and a thing thurs afternoon to decide release priorities | 14:31 |
| sdague | yeh, that worked well last time | 14:31 |
| bauzas | agrteed | 14:31 |
| mriedem | then the orgy on friday | 14:31 |
| mriedem | :) | 14:31 |
| * dansmith bites his tongue | 14:31 | |
| johnthetubaguy | yes... | 14:31 |
| mriedem | i'll throw the evacuate wip spec in here | 14:31 |
| bauzas | so the etherpad is the source for the sessions ? no longer the website ? | 14:31 |
| mriedem | since it was controversial | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: you had something to discuss? | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: I believe so, just like paris | 14:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: ok | 14:32 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I don't think the spec is controversial | 14:32 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yeah, just re: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060448.html | 14:32 |
| mriedem | dansmith: not the spec | 14:32 |
| dansmith | mriedem: the "do we do anything in the meantime" was the controversial bit | 14:32 |
| dansmith | okay | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | the thing that led to the spec | 14:32 |
| dansmith | well, I think that's sailed now | 14:32 |
| mriedem | in a sea of f bombs | 14:33 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:33 |
| dansmith | heh | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could add a log message saying not to do it | 14:33 |
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| dansmith | not to do evacuate? | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: so you had something about that thread? | 14:34 |
| sdague | seems like path forward on quotas might be useful as well | 14:34 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I was just thinking we should maybe discuss with the bug monkeys for helping checking it | 14:34 |
| dansmith | LOG.warning('Oh jeez, you just effed up your system') | 14:34 |
| sdague | because that's a ball of mud | 14:34 |
| mriedem | sdague: quotas is in the etherpad | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | dansmith: i was kinda joking, but yeah | 14:34 |
| dansmith | sdague: yeah | 14:34 |
| bauzas | I looked and Launchpad is buggy | 14:34 |
| cfriesen | bauzas: I liked James Bottomley's suggestion of having it automatically change state when more info provided | 14:34 |
| sdague | mriedem: oh I missed it | 14:34 |
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| bauzas | cfriesen: Launchpad doesn't do this | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 on fixing quotas, using compare and swap in the DB was the biggest lead I heard, but yeah | 14:35 |
| sdague | cfriesen: that assumes all kinds of things about launchpad without knowing any of the launchpad limitations | 14:35 |
| bauzas | cfriesen: and it's buggy because if you check 'Incomplete with response", it will give you bugs that are replied, but not from the owner only | 14:35 |
| sdague | it was exceptionally unproductive response honestly | 14:35 |
| bauzas | s/owner/reporter | 14:35 |
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| bauzas | http://goo.gl/YPMUf3 is the list of incomplete bugs having replies | 14:36 |
| bauzas | 49 IIRC | 14:36 |
| bauzas | and most of them have replies, but not from the reporter, just as follow-up messages | 14:36 |
| bauzas | so we would need to iterate over them | 14:37 |
| bauzas | as said, it needs to be done manually until someone enough lazy automates it | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | I was thinking that the trivial bug monkeys were a good gang for helping that | 14:37 |
| sdague | yeh, I did go through a couple hundred incomplete bugs yesterday, closed a lot of them, it's just a lot of manual work | 14:37 |
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| bauzas | sdague: I tried during lunch to play with launchpadlib, that's doable but risky | 14:38 |
| sdague | bauzas: I don't trust launchpadlib | 14:38 |
| bauzas | sdague: agreed | 14:38 |
| sdague | given how often launchpad times out rest calls | 14:38 |
| bauzas | sdague: as I said, the report is wrong | 14:38 |
| sdague | yep | 14:38 |
| kashyap | Oh, good, /me was about play with launchpad lib | 14:39 |
| bauzas | kashyap: that's fine but that's really buggy | 14:39 |
| kashyap | Also, auto-closing some bugs can close off valid bugs as ttx noted :-( | 14:39 |
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| bauzas | kashyap: ^ hence my point, we need to do this by hand :( | 14:39 |
| kashyap | But, I think given the volume, I think this auto-expiration needs to be in place I guess | 14:39 |
| garyk | manully is a valid option. | 14:39 |
| sdague | garyk: only if I'm not the only one doing it :P | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | the rub is, we need people to do this work | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: exactly | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: +1 | 14:40 |
| sdague | so auto expire is back on | 14:40 |
| kashyap | johnthetubaguy: Yes, and it's utterly unthankful | 14:40 |
| garyk | sdague: you should certainly not be the one doing it. | 14:40 |
| ttx | If you end up expiring manually all bugs after a given abandon time, you should just autoexpire and be done with them :) | 14:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kashyap: agreed | 14:40 |
| garyk | it should be the onus of people who are responsible for tagged bugs | 14:40 |
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| bauzas | sdague: that's why I think we should call the bug monkeys to look at them | 14:40 |
| sdague | garyk: I clearly am, there were 200+ incomplete bugs when I looked yesterday | 14:40 |
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| ttx | My point on the ML was that the tool is not really helping having a conversation with the reporter anyway | 14:40 |
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| kashyap | Also, hard as it might be to digest, sometimes some bugs will take a year or so to get to a proper resolution. | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: so I think auto abandon on is the right choice | 14:41 |
| kashyap | I've seen such bugs in other community projects I participate in. | 14:41 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 14:41 |
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| garyk | sdague: i know. but you should not be responsible for doing this by yourself. | 14:41 |
| garyk | it is our responsibility so we should get our act tigether | 14:41 |
| bauzas | ttx: that's a tool issue, we should have a bug system that should put back the ticket in another state if the reporter is replying | 14:41 |
| bauzas | at least if he's ticking that he answers the question | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | #help we need more folks to help with bug triage | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I don't see lots of us stepping up to help here | 14:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats what we need | 14:43 |
| anteaya | bauzas: I don't think you are helping support getting someone to do the work by using the phrase bug monkeys | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe need some kind of bounty | 14:43 |
| bauzas | anteaya: just because it worked for trivial bugs | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I think this conversation has run its course a bit... | 14:43 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: agreed, move on | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything more before we move back over to #openstack-nova ? | 14:43 |
| bauzas | anteaya: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities-tracking L148 and below | 14:43 |
| mriedem | end it! | 14:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: agreed | 14:43 |
| bauzas | fair enough | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | happy bug triage and fixing | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 14:44:23 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-02-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-02-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-04-02-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 15:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:00 |
| ityaptin | o/ | 15:00 |
| prad | o/ | 15:00 |
| gentux | o/ | 15:00 |
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| ildikov_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | hey y'all! | 15:01 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic kilo-rc1 | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-rc1 | 15:01 |
| eglynn | this interesting one is the only outstanding patch for now | 15:02 |
| eglynn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1435855 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1435855 in Ceilometer "Default rule does not work in ceilometer policy.json" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Divya K Konoor (dikonoor) | 15:02 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | we discussed the patch with edmondsw on IRC and the ML | 15:03 |
| eglynn | I'm pretty happy with the outcome | 15:03 |
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| cdent | It did seem to reach a reasonable conclusion | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | it combines the intent of fabiog's RBAC approach with the ability to parse default rules | 15:03 |
| eglynn | yeap | 15:03 |
| eglynn | so I think we can definitely land this | 15:03 |
| ildikov_ | this short summary sounds reasonable to me too | 15:04 |
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| gordc | quick glance seems ok. | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | we need to triage the bug queue also in case there are any lurking blockers | 15:04 |
| eglynn | release bloeckers that is | 15:04 |
| eglynn | I was hoping to find time for that this week | 15:05 |
| ildikov_ | we have a looong Easter weekend coming ;) | 15:05 |
| eglynn | but very swamped, so would appreciate it if anyone else can help out with the triage | 15:05 |
| eglynn | a-ha, yeah | 15:05 |
| eglynn | so there's no pressure to cut kilo-rc1 until the week of April 9th | 15:05 |
| ildikov_ | sorry, bad joke, I will try to look at it too | 15:06 |
| * gordc hasn't seen any huge bugs yet. | 15:06 | |
| eglynn | coolness, thanks folks! | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | the other spanner in the works was the python-ceiloclient versioning issue for heat | 15:07 |
| eglynn | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-April/060439.html | 15:07 |
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| * eglynn hangs head in shame for breaking SEMVER on the 1.0.13 tag | 15:08 | |
| eglynn | anything else on RC1? | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | #topic gnocchi status | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | jd__: what's happening in your pasta kitchen? | 15:09 |
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| sileht | eglynn, I think jd__ is not around today | 15:10 |
| eglynn | sileht: a-ha cool | 15:10 |
| eglynn | so here's the recent activity ... | 15:10 |
| eglynn | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack/gnocchi,n,z | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | cdent, sileht: anything notable either merged or in the review queue? | 15:11 |
| sileht | we move to openstack namespace | 15:11 |
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| cdent | there's a change in progress where whole objects instead of ids are being passed around to avoid multiple calls to fill the object | 15:11 |
| cdent | that ought to merge later today | 15:12 |
| eglynn | a-ha, cool on both counts :) | 15:12 |
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| sileht | history of resource attributes is still in progress | 15:12 |
| eglynn | sileht: that's a really interesting one | 15:13 |
| eglynn | is there any particular area that stands out as needing attention? | 15:13 |
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| prad | sileht, cdent, if there are any areas you guys need help in gnocchi, lemme know. I can squeeze it on my plate i think | 15:14 |
| _nadya_ | idegtiarov has started mongo indexer testing afaik | 15:14 |
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| eglynn | it would be good to have maybe a running list of on-ramp tasks for folks who are interesting in getting involved | 15:15 |
| eglynn | i.e. acheivable tasks that have good learnign potential | 15:15 |
| cdent | I've found "write some gabbi tests" to be a good one for that (in both gnocchi and ceilo) | 15:15 |
| eglynn | cdent: good point | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | certainly in terms of learning the shape of the API, seems like an excellent starting point | 15:16 |
| idegtiarov | _nadya_, thanks indeed i've filed a bp and started work on tha patch | 15:16 |
| cdent | it usually sends you off other places too to figure out why something isn't like you expect | 15:16 |
| prad | cdent, will sync up with ya on that.. happy to write some gabbi goodness if it helps | 15:16 |
| eglynn | coolness | 15:17 |
| cdent | cool prad | 15:17 |
| ildikov_ | I like the idea too, the APIs could use some attention | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | anything else on gnocchi? | 15:18 |
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| eglynn | #topic meter deprecation | 15:20 |
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| eglynn | ildikov_: the floor is your's | 15:20 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: thanks | 15:20 |
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| ildikov_ | so there was a modification in the IPMI meters and one was renamed | 15:21 |
| ildikov_ | I realized it when I reviewed an OS Manuals patch | 15:21 |
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| ildikov_ | in my opinion it is not too user friendly to change the name of a meter from one release to the other | 15:21 |
| eglynn | yeah I've never been very comfortble with such name changes | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | ... after a major release | 15:22 |
| ildikov_ | the same for deleting instance:<favor>, which I know is unnecessary | 15:22 |
| ildikov_ | ... but still, if someone uses it, it will not be that straight forward to figure out why it is not available anymore | 15:22 |
| eglynn | so how about we simply approach this like an API major version deprecation? | 15:22 |
| ildikov_ | so I thought to raise this "backward compatibility" topic | 15:23 |
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| ildikov_ | how long that is? | 15:23 |
| eglynn | i.e. giving a certain period of notice that a meter is on the deprecation path | 15:23 |
| eglynn | 1 cycle? | 15:23 |
| gordc | ildikov_: this sort of connects with the ironic patch that allows them to define meters. | 15:24 |
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| ildikov_ | we said for the event-type meters that we would deprecate them for Liberty and then get rid of them as they are already in the event db | 15:24 |
| gordc | re: name changing | 15:24 |
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| ildikov_ | gordc: yeap, that one is even worse from this point of view | 15:24 |
| eglynn | gordc: got a link? | 15:24 |
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| * cdent gets out his broken record: | 15:25 | |
| cdent | long term we will have to allow people to define their own meters | 15:25 |
| gordc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130359/ | 15:25 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: 1 cycle sounds good to me, this is what we discussed earlier | 15:25 |
| ildikov_ | cdent: I think it is a different case | 15:25 |
| cdent | Changing existing ones is a problem, I agree ildikov_ | 15:26 |
| ildikov_ | cdent: this one will give a set of meter to users IIRC, which is named on the Ironic side | 15:26 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn: in that deprecation cycle, should we record both 2 meters with old/new name? | 15:26 |
| gordc | is there a way to treat our meter names similar to 'display_names'? ie. another unique identifier we can query on? | 15:26 |
| ildikov_ | cdent: and it is an issue that we acnnot tell, what we offer | 15:26 |
| ildikov_ | cdent: letting the user defining meters is another thing, as in that case they know what they have | 15:26 |
| prad | one cycle seems reasonable heads up time. But we did run into this for network service meter names as well, thouhg that luckily was within the same cycle | 15:27 |
| ildikov_ | gordc: unless it is a UUID it will prolly have the same issue | 15:27 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: regarding the removal of instance:<flavour> meter, we could technically add a workaround that can auto build the correct query if you type it in? | 15:28 |
| ildikov_ | so let's get back to the deprecation first, as now we have a renamed and a removed meter what I know about | 15:28 |
| prad | so seems like a more than a less common use case to change meter names.. perhaps a reason to think for a better approach in the long run | 15:28 |
| ildikov_ | and if we say that it should be deprecated for a cycle, then we need to deal with this now, to add them back | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: recording both would double the storage footprint, or? | 15:29 |
| ildikov_ | llu-laptop: I guess we can have some kind of a mapping as for project/project_id maybe? | 15:29 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah. it's literally the exact same record. just with a tagged meter name. | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yeah, that would seem pretty wasteful | 15:30 |
| ildikov_ | gordc: I'm fine with the workaround too, TBH, unless others don't have anything against | 15:30 |
| _nadya_ | why do we want remove metrics? | 15:30 |
| eglynn | ... given the storage bloat already with the snapshotted resource metadata | 15:30 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: s/remove/rename/ | 15:30 |
| ildikov_ | _nadya_: one example is gordc's patch as instance:<favor> can be retrieved now by using group-by | 15:31 |
| gordc | _nadya_: it's not really removing meters, in case of instance:<flavour>. it's more removing a workaround which isn't needed anymore. | 15:31 |
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| ildikov_ | _nadya_: the other part is the "event-type" meters, which have a constant 1 volume | 15:31 |
| _nadya_ | aha, got it | 15:31 |
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| eglynn | _nadya_: so two spearate concerns ... remove unecessary ones, rename misnamed ones | 15:32 |
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| ildikov_ | should these workarounds be RC1 candidates? | 15:32 |
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| ityaptin | ildikov_, are we want to use events instead of "event_type" meters? | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | ildikov_: which workarounds now? | 15:33 |
| gordc | ildikov_: i think so. the problem with workaround (re: instance:<flavour>), it might cause a gap in meter-list? | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | ildikov_: if we want to start the deprecation timing ticking, we'll need to get the change into kilo | 15:33 |
| gordc | ityaptin: i think the suggestion is to use events... but they "event" meters are still available in kilo (but deprecated) | 15:34 |
| ildikov_ | ityaptin: yes, gordc made it possible to turn off to store them now and store only events, we plan to use this approach as default in Liberty and then remove | 15:34 |
| ildikov_ | ok, I will report a bug for this issue then first | 15:34 |
| gordc | ildikov_: sounds good. | 15:35 |
| ildikov_ | and then let's figure out the tagging and workaround | 15:35 |
| ildikov_ | or well, continue it here we have plenty of time :) | 15:35 |
| llu-laptop | ildikov_: gordc: in that case of events, I think there are use cases for event statistics and event based alarm | 15:36 |
| llu-laptop | which we dont' have now | 15:36 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: so if we want to target these changes at RC1, bare in mind the timeline | 15:36 |
| eglynn | (i.e. kilo-rc1 to be tagged in w/c April 9th) | 15:36 |
| eglynn | (i.e. time is relatively short) | 15:37 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: right. i think it's something i wanted to do for kilo but didn't have time. but it'd be good to do in L* | 15:37 |
| ityaptin | ildikov_, gordc: thanks! Whats you think about updating the api for collecting and querying the events by periods, as statistics now? | 15:37 |
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| ildikov_ | llu-laptop: we could have this as a kind of priority item for Liberty | 15:37 |
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| ildikov_ | llu-laptop: I agree that it is necessary to cover before removing the meters | 15:37 |
| ityaptin | ildikov, Ok, I see your message) | 15:37 |
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| ildikov_ | eglynn: yeap, I have the deadline, if we can agree on a solution then I will be on to solve it | 15:38 |
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| eglynn | ildikov_: what remains to be agreed, and what would be the best way of converging on that agreement quickly? | 15:39 |
| eglynn | e.g. just get a strawman patch proposed? | 15:39 |
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| ildikov_ | well gordc raised the meter-list issue in case of instance:<favour> workaround | 15:40 |
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| ildikov_ | I guess we are on the side of tagging the renamed meters somehow, but correct me if I'm wrong here | 15:41 |
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| gordc | ildikov_: i can play with it... i'm pretty sure it'll be super hacky to get 100% parity though. | 15:41 |
| ildikov_ | goodes: you mean the whole issue or the instance... one? | 15:42 |
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| gordc | i take it a doc that says 'use this query' isn't enough. | 15:42 |
| ildikov_ | goodes: sorry, I was too quick with the tab... | 15:42 |
| eglynn | so just to be clear, the workaround propsoed is to report the instance:<flavour> from an internal query over the bare instance meter? | 15:42 |
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| gordc | eglynn: right. | 15:43 |
| ildikov_ | gordc: I think the doc will be the very last thing a user will check as no one expects that it got deleted | 15:43 |
| gordc | ildikov_: eglynn: so i guess the fail proof/easy solution is to just revert it and bring it back. | 15:43 |
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| ildikov_ | gordc: and we already have a lack of good user feedbacks and we need to handle the deprecation later anyhow IMHO | 15:44 |
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| eglynn | yeah, if the workaround looks too tricky to land for RC1, reverting would be sensible | 15:44 |
| ildikov_ | gordc: sorry about this, I really didn't want to hurt with raising this issue :( | 15:44 |
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| gordc | ildikov_: i blame you 100% :P | 15:45 |
| eglynn | ... but if reverting also explicitly deprecating in the kilo release notes | 15:45 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah revert is easiest. | 15:45 |
| ildikov_ | ok, then let's revert that one first and then figure out if we can handle it | 15:45 |
| eglynn | ... so that the deprecation timer starts now | 15:45 |
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| eglynn | OK | 15:45 |
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| ildikov_ | gordc: I can take it, no worries, I like hiccups ;) | 15:46 |
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| eglynn | #agreed revert remove and explciitly deprecate instance:<flava> from kilo onwards | 15:46 |
| gordc | ildikov_: cool cool. | 15:46 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: yeap, now is better | 15:46 |
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| ildikov_ | as for the IPMI one, let's tag it? | 15:46 |
| eglynn | tag? | 15:47 |
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| ildikov_ | to handle the old/new names without store it twice | 15:47 |
| eglynn | a-ha, k | 15:48 |
| eglynn | cool, go tit | 15:48 |
| eglynn | *got it | 15:48 |
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| ildikov_ | eglynn: sorry, so I meant the rename case | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | ildikov_: yeap, got it, thanks | 15:48 |
| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:49 |
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| ildikov_ | eglynn: does this mean something like a tag would be ok? :) | 15:50 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: if a tag means that the user can pretend that the rename didn't happen, yeap | 15:51 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: where can we put the design summit topic candidates? | 15:51 |
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| ildikov_ | eglynn: that should exist only in the code as opposed to be a user facing thing | 15:52 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: we should create a google doc sheet to do | 15:52 |
| eglynn | #action eglynn create googledoc | 15:52 |
| eglynn | ildikov_: yeap agreed! | 15:53 |
| eglynn | in case y'all haven't heard, prad has (re-)joined us in Red Hat :) | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | ... we were only lending him to Cisco :) | 15:53 |
| prad | :) | 15:53 |
| _nadya_ | eglynn: about your letter:) I wish you all the best with your "new role"! | 15:53 |
| eglynn | _nadya_: thank you! :) | 15:53 |
| gordc | thanks for being ptl for past year eglynn! | 15:53 |
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| eglynn | gordc: thank you sir! | 15:53 |
| * eglynn has lump in throat | 15:54 | |
| eglynn | right-o, folks I gotta run for a call | 15:54 |
| eglynn | story of my life :( | 15:54 |
| ildikov_ | eglynn: tears in my eyes! I wish you all the best! | 15:54 |
| eglynn | let's call it a wrap, thanks all for your time! | 15:54 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: Thanks very much! It was cool to work with you! | 15:54 |
| eglynn | :) | 15:54 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:54 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-04-02-15.00.txt | 15:54 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 18:59 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:00 |
| dtroyer | ping: dhellmann, briancurtin, lhcheng | 19:00 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 19:00 |
| briancurtin | hi | 19:00 |
| dtroyer | so let's get this started before something else happens… | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 19:01:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:01 |
| dtroyer | Hey all, thanks for coming | 19:01 |
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| dtroyer | first off, stevemar, you didn't end up starting a meeting last week? | 19:01 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, correct | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | ok, cool. I kept forgetting to ask | 19:02 |
| stevemar | no one showed in the first 5-10 | 19:02 |
| stevemar | lhcheng, showed up later, but by then i canned it | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | I did put up an agenda this morning: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient#02_Apr_2015 | 19:03 |
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| dtroyer | let me know if there is something to add and we'll get it in | 19:03 |
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| stevemar | sigmavirus24, courtesy ping | 19:04 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thanks stevemar :D | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | sigmavirus24: want to be added to The List? | 19:05 |
| stevemar | "The List" | 19:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | that sounds ominous, but sure | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | no more ominous than your nic ;) | 19:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | =D | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | #topic open actions | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open actions (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:06 | |
| sigmavirus24 | All the previous (alpha, beta, gamma, etc.) viruses failed | 19:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | =P | 19:06 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, i don't recall signing up for moving fakes to fixtures :P | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | I thought you were just going to write up a bp? | 19:06 |
| stevemar | i don't recall having a convo with you about this | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer | last meeting…my bad then, I'll change that | 19:07 |
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| stevemar | we can chat about it, is there a dire need to use fixtures instead? | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | IIRC it was around having something stable for plugins to use for testing. not dire, but would be useful. | 19:08 |
| stevemar | ohhh | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | hmm, so other libs can use one of our fixtures | 19:08 |
| stevemar | yah, i totally forgot about that | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | right | 19:09 |
| stevemar | that needs to be fleshed out more, i don't know enough about fixtures or plugins to create a bp | 19:09 |
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| dtroyer | I'm weak on the fixtures part but can learn. | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | if we have extra time during the summit, i wouldn't mind chatting about it; but it's not super high on my priority list | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | #info talk about fixtures and plugins at summit | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | sounds good to me | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | on the JSON BP, no action occurred | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | #action dtroyer carry forward JSON input BP | 19:12 |
| stevemar | is that someone we want to do though? | 19:12 |
| stevemar | seems like we'll open a new can of worms | 19:12 |
| stevemar | expectations, flow, etc | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | low priority but I can see where it would be useful | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | I'd rather have a BP with an outline than lose it altogether | 19:13 |
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| stevemar | fair enough | 19:13 |
| stevemar | next | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | on the timing in the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1431649 | 19:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1431649 in python-keystoneclient "openstackclient is really slow" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Robert Collins (lifeless) | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | I did a boatload of import timings, very unscientific-like, but didn't add any to the bug itself | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | and heard about https://github.com/boris-42/profimp this morning, which might be more useful if we persue this further | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | talking to jogo last week I think we've concluded that this is a small return for the time spent as far as that specific bug goes, but I think OSC needs to look at this and see what we can improve anyway | 19:15 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, referring to timing or speeding up OSC? | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | the end result of shortening our load times | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | seems lik ksc reading versions would be the most likely slowdown | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | that could be saved at least | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | that is a big part of it, I didn't break that down too much, but —timing lets you see how much of those were the actual REST round-trip | 19:18 |
| jogo | dtroyer: so profimp may not help. if foo and bar both import zed | 19:18 |
| jogo | and zed is slow | 19:18 |
| jogo | if you do 'import foo; import bar' you get very different results when compared to 'import bar; import foo' | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | possibly. I'm just looking for something better than me doing log output (which is also slow) with timestamps… | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | jogo: regarding that bug, you ok with dropping it to low or wishlist for now? | 19:19 |
| jogo | dtroyer: sure | 19:20 |
| jogo | dtroyer: there are a few ways to generate timing graphs | 19:20 |
| jogo | forgot how though | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | I just did ;) | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | last action was for me to check on ML tags and IIRC that happened right after the meeting. | 19:21 |
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| jogo | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/bprofile/1.3.1 is one | 19:21 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, yep, reed created the tag for us | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: Was it OpenStackClient or OSC? | 19:22 |
| stevemar | OSC | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | .*\[Osc\].*| .*\[OSC\].*| .*\[osc\].* | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | cool | 19:24 |
| stevemar | openstackclient was too many letters anyway | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | who came up with that name anyway??? | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | #topic summit sessions | 19:24 |
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| stevemar | oh nice topic | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | There are two types of design summit sessions, I'll let y'all read ttx's emails about that | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | I asked for one of eash: fishbowl and work session | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | not really knowing what we need to talk about. | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | so that's the second thing, set up the etherpad to discuss | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-osc-summit-topics | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | The question I have is do we think we'll need the large room for an audience, and if so, what would it target topic-wise? | 19:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | dtroyer: good question | 19:27 |
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| stevemar | let topics be proposed on the etherpad | 19:28 |
| stevemar | pick the most popular topics | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | ok…I stated that question there too | 19:29 |
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| dtroyer | I think if we want to add more sessions we need to do it Real Soon. Like last week even while I was away | 19:30 |
| stevemar | ttx's email: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054122.html | 19:31 |
| stevemar | i think 1 fishbowl might be a bit light | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | every time there OSC gets a space we end up getting full and running out of time for topics | 19:32 |
| stevemar | i'd push for another if possible | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | topics? last time we did that kind of session we had two but we included SDK stuff too…and at that point there were 3 or 4 of those to talk about | 19:33 |
| stevemar | how long do we have a working session space for? 40 minutes? | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | unsure, some of those are half day…dang I'm not sure what the default is | 19:33 |
| dtroyer | which is bad because I like having defaults | 19:34 |
| stevemar | i imagine the fishbowl sessions are 40 mins, in which case i'd go for 2. | 19:34 |
| stevemar | if the working group is a half day, we are fine with 1. | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | I'd like to have an idea of the topics we want to cover for 2 sessions. | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | we didn't do one in Paris, and I think going to other project client sessions was productive. that could negate some of our need | 19:36 |
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| stevemar | list* | 19:36 |
| stevemar | i'd really like to cover the following: 1) caching tokens, 2) os-cloud-config, and 3) buy in from other projects (and whats stopping them) | 19:38 |
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| terrylhowe | ehterpad stevemar ? | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | those are all good topics | 19:38 |
| stevemar | yeah, adding those now, i'm trying to do too many things at once (as usual) and failing on most (as usual) | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | I do expect os-client-config to be released by then and that would be educational rather than feature driven, no? | 19:39 |
| stevemar | maybe, the summit is closer than ya think | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | that particular review is listed in the next topic for a reason… | 19:40 |
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| stevemar | what about dot files that are in the users home directory that contain credentials | 19:41 |
| stevemar | or is that crossing into occ territory | 19:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | stevemar: like ".openrc"? | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | that's one of the things that —os-cloud does | 19:41 |
| stevemar | sigmavirus24, yep, like that. but as dtroyer says ^ | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | ok, let's keep that going in the etherpad and move on here | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | #topic review reviews | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | since the review for —os-cloud is next anyway | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | #link https://review.openstack.org/129795 | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | It's been up for a while and I've been using it, anyone else tried it yet? | 19:44 |
| terrylhowe | not since patch 9 | 19:44 |
| patchbot | terrylhowe: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9/ | 19:44 |
| stevemar | i have not had the time to play around with it yet | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | as I said a bit ago, I would really like to get it merged so we have some time with it before the next release, which should be a minor rev anyway | 19:44 |
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| lhcheng | haven't tried it yet, will add to my to-do list | 19:45 |
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| stevemar | we need to doc how to use --os-cloud :P | 19:46 |
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| dtroyer | thanks, I'd appreciate it. I'm afraid that there are usage patterns that I haven't thought about yet… | 19:46 |
| stevemar | look at that, its a follow on patch! | 19:46 |
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| * stevemar ouch! | 19:46 | |
| dtroyer | nerf darts cause that's all they'll let me have now | 19:46 |
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| dtroyer | any other reviews that need the groups attention? | 19:47 |
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| stevemar | this one is interesting: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161097/ | 19:47 |
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| dtroyer | yeah, I need to look at that closer in the occ context, I think there is some overlap and jamie wants to do more of the option handling that I'd like. | 19:49 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, you can re-review this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158779/ the requirement should be updated now | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | ah, right, I promised to look at that last night before the yesterday afternoon happened | 19:50 |
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| stevemar | no biggie | 19:50 |
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| stevemar | also, there was a patch for heat stack CRUD a while back | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/166373/ should be straightforward | 19:51 |
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| dtroyer | I'd like heat to be in a plugin | 19:52 |
| stevemar | do we want to draw a line in the sand stating that we won't support Heat | 19:52 |
| stevemar | err support them as a plugin* | 19:52 |
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| stevemar | might be worth stating that in the patch, and giving them set of steps to plug into us | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | my working line has been to only consider layer 1 and maybe 2 services as built-ins | 19:53 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: yup. I should also get the plugin template out of my github and into stackforge | 19:53 |
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| stevemar | ye | 19:53 |
| stevemar | yep | 19:53 |
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| dtroyer | ok, seven minute warning… | 19:54 |
| stevemar | 6! | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | #topic bug review | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: I noticed Canada seems to be a minute ahead | 19:54 |
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| terrylhowe | are plugins going to fall under OSC? | 19:54 |
| stevemar | the few patches related to identity / service providers has to wait until another KSC is made | 19:54 |
| stevemar | KSC release* | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: good question. | 19:55 |
| stevemar | will the plugins be like ... openstack/heat-osc-plugin | 19:55 |
| terrylhowe | it might be useful to help people build their plugins at least | 19:55 |
| stevemar | we could provide a cookie cutter | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | my default answer is that project might want to keep the plugin bits with their client lib (ala congress) but if they go to the sdk then maybe separate repos. | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: ah, that's what osc-plugin should become. I'll retroactively say that's why haven't put it into stackforge uet ;) | 19:56 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, what about projects that already have an existing CLI | 19:56 |
| stevemar | like ceilometer or heat | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | I'd still put it with their lib | 19:57 |
| stevemar | muddying up python-heatclient with their own CLI and an OSC plugin might be overkill | 19:57 |
| stevemar | hmm okay | 19:57 |
| terrylhowe | it would be nice if osc-plugin was at least stackfoge | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | CLI or not I think that's the best place for it | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | really, its their call | 19:57 |
| stevemar | how would the plugins get installed after | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | pip install joe-plugin | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | yum install joe-plugin | 19:58 |
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| dtroyer | whatever. the plugin might want a dep on osc, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea or not | 19:58 |
| stevemar | so assume heatclient starts creating their own osc directory that is a plugin. if i did pip install osc, then pip install python-heatclient, i'd get both osc and the plugin? | 19:59 |
| lhcheng | 1 minute left | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | right. that's how congressclient works today | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | #open discussion | 19:59 |
| stevemar | okay, maybe we have to communicate that better :) | 19:59 |
| stevemar | call out examples and such | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | ok, we're out of time | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | later… | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 20:00:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-02-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-02-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-04-02-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 2 22:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 22:00 |
| masayukig | o/ | 22:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_April_2nd_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 22:01 |
| dkranz | o/ | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer, jogo: around? | 22:02 |
| jogo | o/ | 22:02 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | ok let's get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit Session Brainstorm | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit Session Brainstorm (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:02 | |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-qa-summit-topics | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | so I sent this out to the ml, but figured I'd mention it here too | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | I started the etherpad so we can brainstorm topics for design sessions | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | I figured we'd follow the same basic process as we used for Paris | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | at this point, I'm not sure how many slots we'll have, but I'll ping ttx to find out (IIRC I asked for 5 big session) and 2 or 4 work rooms | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | plus a full day for a mini sprint (like we did in paris on fri) | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | that's all I had for this, just wanted to bring up the etherpad | 22:05 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, looks good | 22:05 |
| masayukig | When is the deadline to add topics to the etherpad? | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: oh, that's a good question | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | do you want to say the end of the month | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | and we'll do the selection the first meeting in May? | 22:06 |
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| masayukig | mtreinish: sure, looks good. | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on this? | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then lets move on | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | #topic Spec Reviews | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an open spec review to bring up? | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | or discuss? | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | I'll take that as a no :) | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | let's move on then | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an open bp to discuss this week?\ | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | well I've got a couple to bring up | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | first andreaf asked me to plug the multi-ssh verification bp | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | they've got a bunch of patches up to implement it that need reviews: | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/ssh-auth-strategy,n,z | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | so if people could keep an eye on those that would be good | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | it might be too late in the cycle to get those in by the release, but early L is definitely doable | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | the only one I wanted to bring up was the test-accounts-continued bp | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | andreaf and I took a first crack at this during the sprint in NYC last week | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | we've got patches up to finish the networking support right now | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | but they're blocked on a neutron bug which was recently introduced | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/test-accounts-continued,n,z | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | so I'm not so optimistic this will make K either :( | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | other than that I didn't have any other bps to discuss | 22:15 |
| gmann | Cool, ll review those. | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have an in progress bp to discuss? Otherwise let's move on | 22:16 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: for rearrangement for schema. few patches lest | 22:16 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/rearrange-nova-response-schemas,n,z | 22:16 |
| gmann | those are easy to review | 22:16 |
| gmann | after that that BP can be closed | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | gmann: heh, yeah they should be. I'll try to go through them before I call it a day | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | cool | 22:17 |
| gmann | mtreinish: thanks :) | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other bps let's move on | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | #topic os-testr added to QA (mtreinish) | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-testr/ | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | so we added another repo to the qa program this week | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | os-testr which is basically a spin off of subunit-trace, subunit2html (the infra script to generate testr_results.html), and a python testr wrapper to replace pretty_tox.sh | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | the goal is that this will be the new interface for invoking testr everywhere replacing the pretty_tox scripts which have been copied all around | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | subunit-trace and subunit2html are copied pretty much verbatim | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | ostestr (the testr wrapper) is still a bit on the rough side, so if people find issues with it or have ui suggestions or improvements feel free to push a patch | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | I've already added some of the things we've been talking about for some time like the exclude file so we don't have to manually make those ugly regexes to exclude things | 22:22 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: Sure, cool. Is the first consumer Tempest? | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: yeah tempest and tempest-lib will be the first consumers: | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/170272 | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/170270 | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | but those are blocked on the requirements freeze | 22:22 |
| oomichi_ | mtreinish: cool, does it contain TODO file? | 22:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: maybe we should not remove pretty_tox until ostestr is not rough? | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: by rough I meant it does basically the same stuff that pretty_tox does (with the same unit test coverage) | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | but certain aspects of the ui might change, because I've been doing this on the side | 22:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: oh, ok ;) | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | oomichi_: oh, no not yet, but I can add one | 22:24 |
| oomichi_ | nice :) | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | that's a good idea | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to add a TODO file to os-testr | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | that's all I had on this topic, does anyone else have something else? | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | otherwise we can move on | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: you're up | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | or do you just want to paste your blog post about the sprint and walk away :) | 22:27 |
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| dtroyer | so we had a good week last week, I've continued working on the venv this week | 22:27 |
| dtroyer | that's a good summary | 22:27 |
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| dtroyer | sdague and I both put up some housecleaning reviews, I anticipate at least one more before we branch stable/kilo | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok cool | 22:28 |
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| dtroyer | http://hackstack.org/x/blog/2015/03/30/qa-code-sprint/ is the summary of last week | 22:28 |
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| dtroyer | DevStack-wise | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: btw I think as we do operations for branching stable/kilo we should be updating the qa release wiki page | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | to make sure we document all the steps needed | 22:29 |
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| dtroyer | yup…it's just long enough that I always have to refer back to my notes and even then there is more... | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah, I added the one new step I know I added this cycle to the wiki | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | and I think there might be others | 22:30 |
| dtroyer | FWIW, I'm probably going to be a bit scarce at times for a while | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok, no worries | 22:30 |
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| dtroyer | the other interesting bit sorted out recently was the memory consumption by the current pyopenssl, specifically on CentOS. Just an interesting note that might explain other odd things in low memory situations | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | oh, yeah I saw a ML post about that IIRC | 22:32 |
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| dtroyer | right, but it didn't look like a general-interest post, it started as a glusterfs problem | 22:33 |
| dtroyer | anyway, that's it for me | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on devstack? | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grenade (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:35 | |
| mtreinish | jogo: anything on grenade for this week? | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | the only update I have this week for grenade is about the future plugin/modular interface | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | we did discuss this a bit in NYC, but we didn't formalize a plan yet | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | I'm expecting that final plan to come out of summit | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | and be an early L thing | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything else to discuss on grenade? (if jogo's not around) | 22:37 |
| jogo | mtreinish: all quiet on the western front | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | then let's move on | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: I see you put a bug in the agenda | 22:39 |
| gmann | mtreinish: yea | 22:39 |
| gmann | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1436314 | 22:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1436314 in tempest "Option to boot VM only from volume is not available" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Soumit (soumit-mishra) | 22:39 |
| gmann | actually when nova is configured with boot from volume only then, tempest tests will fail | 22:40 |
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| gmann | So just need input on those whether we need to support that. | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | gmann: I didn't even realize that was a valid nova config tbh | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | although I'm not surprised | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | gmann: I think if it's a valid use case we should try to support it | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | how feasible it is, is a different question though | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | how does a server create differ in that env? | 22:42 |
| gmann | mtreinish: yea looks like. | 22:42 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: for nova config if we see - setting max_local_block_devices to 0 for boot from volume only | 22:42 |
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| gmann | server expect boot-able volume id in request | 22:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It seems like the cases where we boot from an image need to specify a volume instead | 22:43 |
| gmann | response and all are no difference | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, that's what I thought | 22:43 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: except for image tests I guess | 22:43 |
| dkranz | So that is not so hard to implement | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | gmann: well how does the api indicate to the user that booting from image doesn't work? | 22:44 |
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| gmann | dkranz: yea it should be simple to just have those thing on services cleint | 22:44 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: the bug report does not have a transcript of the failure unfortunately | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | gmann: honestly I might view this as a nova bug. Because if that's the config set for nova, it could easily make the cinder call to convert an image to a volume before doing a boot | 22:45 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: server create gives error something about bootable device missing | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I think before we look into supporting this, the bug should be expanded with more details | 22:45 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It might be some kind of security thing where you are not even using glance | 22:46 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but I really don't know the use case | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: that seems weird to me, but sure I could see it being the case | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | I think I would want to discuss this use case with the nova team before we start making any changes | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | because I don't think we have a complete picture of how this is supposed to work/be used | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | jogo, mikal: ^^^ you'll be hearing from me... :) | 22:48 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It is worth asking but since it is an explicit option it is hard to see them changing it to what you were suggesting :) | 22:48 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: so much for interop | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, yeah that's my concern | 22:49 |
| gmann | dkranz: agree. because doing volume boot automatically might not be good option | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: yeah but even if that's the case if nova has a consistent api response which is unique for this use case | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | we could just handle that inside of the service client | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | instead of adding another config flag | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | but anyway we'll take this up after the meeting in -qa, or the ML | 22:50 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: yea, ok | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | gmann: any other updates on bugs? or should we move on? | 22:51 |
| gmann | mtreinish: thats all from my side | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any open reviews they'd like to get more eyes on | 22:52 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I have the two to fix non-admin issues | 22:53 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/169882 | 22:54 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/166955 | 22:54 |
| dkranz | They both have a +2 | 22:54 |
| dkranz | I'm hoping we can get the nightly non-admin job going well. | 22:54 |
| dkranz | They both have a +2 already | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: could you rebase the 2nd one ontop of the first one? That way we can verify both together unbreaks the job | 22:55 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I have actually not done that before. What is the git magic command? | 22:55 |
| gmann | dkranz: i looked 166955. its looks good but non-admin job fails. even not finding any related error | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | I'll be +A on that after | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I would do git review -d 169882 && git review -x 166955 && git review | 22:56 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: great | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | gmann: yeah both should be needed to fix the job | 22:56 |
| gmann | ok | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews to bring up? | 22:57 |
| oomichi_ | I'd like to pick up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159310/ for moving sever client dev. | 22:57 |
| oomichi_ | that is a qa-spec review. | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | oomichi_: oh, I missed that you respun that. I'll take a look tonight or tomorrow | 22:57 |
| oomichi_ | s/server/service/ | 22:57 |
| oomichi_ | mtreinish: thanks :) | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: done | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: thanks I'll +A the second one after the non-admin job comes back | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | ok any last reviews, otherwise I guess we'll call the meeting here | 22:59 |
| dkranz | bye all | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 2 23:00:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-02-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-02-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| masayukig | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-04-02-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
| oomichi_ | thanks all | 23:00 |
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