Friday, 2015-03-06

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cyeohHi00:01
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cyeoh#startmeeting nova api00:01
openstackMeeting started Fri Mar  6 00:01:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:01
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)"00:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_api'00:01
cyeohis anyone around today?00:01
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gmannhi00:02
oomichihi00:03
cyeohhey00:04
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cyeohso first microversion is merged and second is in the gate - thanks for sorting that Ken'ichi00:04
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oomichicyeoh: np :) and that is nice for us :)00:05
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gmanngood news :)00:05
cyeohI guess the question is what next?00:05
oomichia nice question :)00:05
oomichiso pci extension ?00:05
cyeohit should go back in. I noticed there was an email thread related to it this morning00:06
oomichioh, I missed that00:06
cyeohbut what they want doesn't seem to match with that was there originally - I need to read it better, but its possible a modified version will go back in00:06
cyeohneed to clarify who (if anyone) was actually using it00:07
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oomichicyeoh: yeah, and necessary to consider the API design on devstack-dev ml00:08
cyeoh#action chris to sort out what is needed for os-pci and who uses it (since it has always AFAICT been a v3 only thing)00:08
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oomichiaccording to the mail.00:08
oomichi+1 for the action :)00:08
cyeohyea if its signifcantly different it will need to go back to a spec for L I suspect00:09
oomichiyeah, right.00:10
oomichiwe need a small spec for api changes.00:10
cyeohso other things I can think of: test cleanup (don't think we need a spec)00:10
cyeohstart pushing your json home stuff again?00:11
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oomichicyeoh: yeah, will do it soon.00:11
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oomichiand gmann is working for test cleanup.00:11
cyeohcool.00:11
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cyeohand I guess moving from tempest to functional in Nova itself00:12
oomichicyeoh: yeah, that is a right direction for nova and tempest.00:12
gmanncyeoh: oomichi : As Sean stated in mail, we should have 1 set of tests and sample files00:12
cyeohyep00:13
oomichicyeoh: but the cleanup of service clients is difficult on tempest side, and we need more time for moving tempest tests.00:13
gmannthat is good idea. only thing we need to twist our tests for merged/split extensions between v2 and v2.100:13
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gmannand i remember as you stated it will impact doc. so do not know it that ok?00:14
cyeohah yea00:14
cyeohso we will need to finish some developer doc for that00:14
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cyeohand I need to finish a bunch of developer doc as well for v2.1/microversions00:15
cyeohI think changing the tests is fine, just need to make sure operators know how to transition from v2 to v2.1 and have the REST API look the same from the client point of view00:15
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cyeohis there anything anyone else wanted to talk about - in practice anything big we need to plan for L and start getting specs up00:17
oomichicyeoh: nothing from me :)00:17
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oomichicyeoh: so what is the big plan for L, you have?00:17
gmanncyeoh: after test merge  v2 API doc will not be having the separate extension doc fro example flavor disabled etc00:18
oomichicyeoh: will you revert v3 changes with microversions?00:18
cyeohI don't have anything big for L. I'd like to concentrate on stabilisation. make sure v2 is truly redundant and then we can remove it00:18
oomichiyeah, +1 for that00:19
cyeohgmann: yea developing a better (more automated) workflow will be better there. And there's little things like having the api version history automatically published etc00:19
cyeohoomichi: so I think we've got agreement we can make the changes when were changing something anyway - eg a pushed some keypairs changes in the last one that change the api to the direction we want00:20
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gmannok00:20
cyeohbut we won't make a global camelcase change.00:20
cyeohbut we should look for opportunities when people propose api changes00:21
oomichiah, I see the change process on that00:21
gmannsame direction for status code also?00:21
cyeohyes definitely00:22
cyeohand definitely block any api changes to the old v2 code00:22
oomichiif spec of api-wg is concreate, we can change status codes based on that, I feel00:22
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oomichibut I don't want to make a lot of microversions due to small changes of each api status code00:23
cyeohif its in an api which is not otherwise changing i think we'll have to consult the mailing list first00:24
cyeohits the operators which are going to feel the pain from it. maybe can talk about it at summit while everyone is there?00:24
oomichiagree, we don't have enough samples on microversions, so mailing list is nice for discussing00:25
gmann+100:25
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oomichicyeoh: will you go to the next summit?00:25
cyeohoomichi, unfortunately looks like I wont be able to again :-( Will find out in a couple of weeks00:25
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cyeohjust medical reasons again00:26
oomichicyeoh: oh, that is sorry for us.00:26
oomichicyeoh: I will go to the next summit00:26
cyeohsorry for me too - would love to visit vancouver ;-)00:26
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gmannhumm00:27
cyeohoomichi: excellent! And the Tokyo one will be close for you!00:27
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mtreinishcyeoh: I'll be at the ops midcycle next week if you guys wanted to get some feedback on something. I can ask there00:27
oomichicyeoh: the next next summit is japan, so I'd like to say to you "welcome" :)00:27
cyeohoomichi: heh :-)00:28
cyeohmtreinish: its more of getting the balance right between fixing errors in the API (eg incrorrect status codes) versus the pain from api users when they change00:28
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cyeohmtreinish: finding out what people prefer we lean towards00:29
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cyeohmtreinish: currently attitude is if we have to make change in the api anyway which will cause some pain we'll probably fix incorrect status codes at the same time.00:29
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cyeohbut if not we're a lot more likely to leave them wrong00:29
cyeohif lots of people say no we're happy to take the pain on status codes then we're happy to fix them00:30
cyeohmtreinish: similarly for types or CamelCase/Snake_Case for parameter names00:30
mtreinishcyeoh: ok, sure I'll try to remember to ask. It definitely is a balancing act on that kind of change00:31
cyeohmtreinish: thanks! yea, probably something to put on the next survey00:32
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cyeohanything else from anyone? Otherwise we'll take an early minute00:33
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gmannwhats about adding new response attribute which we removed recently? i think those can go like keypair one.00:33
cyeohgmann: have you got an example of that00:33
oomichiAccessIPv4 from "create a server" response?00:34
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oomichias a sample00:34
cyeohoh that was a v3 thing? I think we'd need to go through specs for L00:35
gmannoomichi: yes, i also remember that only at moment00:35
oomichicyeoh: +1, that seems nice dev process.00:35
gmannanother is OS-EXT-STS:locked_by in server show/detail00:36
cyeohdid locked_by never make V2?00:36
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gmanni think no00:37
cyeohthat one went through specs originally so I'll have a look but we can probably add it back as microversion and quote the original spec00:37
oomichiok, maybe we cannot push more microversions in Kilo if changes are without specs.00:38
cyeohyea we're also pass feature proposal freeze too I think - but something for early in L00:39
gmannyea00:39
cyeohok. anything else?00:40
gmannnothing from my side00:40
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cyeohok cool, thanks everyone for coming. Seeya next week!00:41
cyeoh#endmeeting00:41
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gmannThanks all00:41
oomichithanks!00:41
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