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| Loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 01:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 01:03:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 01:03 |
| Loquacities | hi everyone! | 01:03 |
| Loquacities | who do we have here? | 01:03 |
| suyog | hi there! | 01:03 |
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| Loquacities | hey suyog | 01:03 |
| bmoss | G'day | 01:03 |
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| adahms | Morning! | 01:04 |
| Loquacities | heya bmoss | 01:04 |
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| Loquacities | hi adahms | 01:04 |
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| dnavale | hi | 01:04 |
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| Loquacities | hi dnavale | 01:05 |
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| Loquacities | ok, i think we can call that a quorum :) | 01:05 |
| darrenc | hi | 01:05 |
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| Loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 01:05 |
| annegentle | lurking for a few :) | 01:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:05 | |
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| Loquacities | asettle to investigate arch guide as a project for a docs swarm | 01:05 |
| Loquacities | oh, hi annegentle :) | 01:05 |
| asettle | Loquacities, investigated | 01:05 |
| Loquacities | yay! | 01:06 |
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| katco | annegentle: o/ | 01:06 |
| Loquacities | ok, we have the swarm as a separate agenda item, so let's address it in detail there | 01:06 |
| Loquacities | asettle to find a location for an informal meetup | 01:06 |
| Loquacities | asettle: ^^ you again ;) | 01:06 |
| asettle | Loquacities, annegentle has given her approval. I'm in the stage of planning a two day swarm for us. We need more structure than last time. I'll be there with a timetable ;) | 01:06 |
| asettle | Informal meetup can be arranged, do we have a date we'd like to look at? | 01:06 |
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| Loquacities | i don't think we had a firm date | 01:07 |
| Loquacities | sometime in the next couple of weeks? | 01:07 |
| asettle | Let's agree on a date then | 01:07 |
| asettle | Do the RH'ers have meeting days that are out of the question? bmoss adahms ? | 01:07 |
| Loquacities | ok, let's circle back around to that discussion | 01:07 |
| adahms | Wednesday is a big meeting day for us | 01:07 |
| adahms | Most other days should be a bit more flexible | 01:08 |
| bmoss | ditto | 01:08 |
| asettle | Okay, Wednesday is out. Let's look at doing a Tuesday/Thursday then. | 01:08 |
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| asettle | Rackspace kids are away from the 16th to the 27th, how does the... 31st sound? | 01:08 |
| asettle | Loquacities, adahms ? | 01:08 |
| Loquacities | right before easter | 01:09 |
| Loquacities | that could work | 01:09 |
| asettle | That's the one :) | 01:09 |
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| JRobinson__ | march 31 and April 2 | 01:09 |
| Loquacities | and final action item: | 01:09 |
| Loquacities | bmoss to book RH for docs sprint 13-14 august | 01:09 |
| bmoss | done | 01:09 |
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| Loquacities | yay! | 01:10 |
| asettle | 13-14th... am I back then? | 01:10 |
| * asettle looks in calendar | 01:10 | |
| Loquacities | ok, let's get into the meat of it ... | 01:10 |
| Loquacities | #topic Review guidelines | 01:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review guidelines (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:10 | |
| Loquacities | oh, anne left | 01:10 |
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| Loquacities | i was going to ask her to talk about this ;) | 01:11 |
| Loquacities | so, there's been some convo on the mailing list about review guidelines | 01:11 |
| Loquacities | basically, we need to make sure we're applying the "is it better than what we have now" rule more often | 01:11 |
| asettle | As in, be less critical? | 01:11 |
| Loquacities | and not -1ing patches for minor errors, especially when it's useful content that doesn't exist yet | 01:11 |
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| Loquacities | sort of | 01:11 |
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| bmoss | and no drive-bys. :( | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | the proposal from nick was that we raise a low-hanging-fruit bug to address minor issues instead of -1ing the patch | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | yeah, raise bugs for drivebys | 01:12 |
| bmoss | It is disheartening to get knocked back for something you didn't even touch | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | absolutely | 01:12 |
| asettle | Damn, I won't lie, I do love a good driveby | 01:12 |
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| asettle | It's like 'oh, while you're there!' | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | also: we wanted to talk a bit about checking out other people's patches to fix stuff | 01:12 |
| Loquacities | i've done this a bit recently with patches that have useful content, but poor writing | 01:13 |
| bmoss | Loquacities, how do people respond to that? | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | so you need to do it nicely, of course | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | but if the person is ESL, it's usually received well | 01:13 |
| asettle | "Hallo may I steals?" | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | if you're uncertain, maybe a good choice is to ask first | 01:13 |
| Loquacities | asettle: +1 | 01:13 |
| bmoss | cool | 01:14 |
| asettle | *nods* I've got this in the bag | 01:14 |
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| JRobinson__ | adding a no score instead of -1 for the first or second patch sets takes away the sense that +1's or +2's from other reviewers are thrown out. | 01:14 |
| Loquacities | recently, if i've noticed that i'm making more than a couple of comments on writing/grammar, it can be well received to make the edit rather than leaving 47 comments | 01:14 |
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| Loquacities | JRobinson__: good point | 01:14 |
| Loquacities | if it's non-critical comments, maybe go ahead and +1 but leave the comments in there anyway, too | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | that way, it can still merge | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | especially if they're only a +1 or +2 away from merging | 01:15 |
| JRobinson__ | that's right - then there is a record for guiding future changes. | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | absolutely | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | ok, shall we move on? | 01:15 |
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| asettle | Sounds good | 01:15 |
| Loquacities | #topic APAC docs meeting F2F/informal meetup | 01:15 |
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| Loquacities | so, i think we've decided on 31 march? | 01:16 |
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| asettle | Yep,31st of March (Tuesday) | 01:16 |
| asettle | I'll find a place for... 10 of us? | 01:16 |
| Loquacities | lunchtime thing? | 01:16 |
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| adahms | Sure, sounds good - I'll run the date past the RH folk here | 01:16 |
| asettle | Yep, that should be fine. We need a cafe environment that has workable tables. At the moment I'm thinking Three MOnkeys because you can book those group tables inside. | 01:16 |
| Loquacities | oh, yeah, that could work | 01:17 |
| asettle | Also easy bus ride from all directions. | 01:17 |
| suyog | sounds good. | 01:17 |
| asettle | RH'ers can even walk. | 01:17 |
| Loquacities | if it's informal, we don't need to be working | 01:17 |
| Loquacities | we can just catch up :) | 01:17 |
| asettle | Well, it's nice to have tables where we can all face each other and discuss :) | 01:17 |
| asettle | (Where I can exert my supreme powah) | 01:17 |
| Loquacities | yeah, i agree | 01:17 |
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| Loquacities | but no need to have laptops out, i think | 01:17 |
| asettle | Yeah, let's make it a no laptop party | 01:17 |
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| Loquacities | ok, i'm going to add another action item here for you asettle, so it doesn't get lost | 01:17 |
| asettle | I'll send out an invite as soon as I make the booking | 01:18 |
| Loquacities | #action asettle to book informal Brisbane meetup for 31 March, and send out invites | 01:18 |
| Loquacities | thanks asettle | 01:18 |
| adahms | asettle, I'll talk to the RH writers and let you know if we have any issues | 01:18 |
| asettle | THank you :) | 01:18 |
| Loquacities | #topic OpenStack Docs Swarm | 01:18 |
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| asettle | 'ola, me again. | 01:19 |
| Loquacities | bmoss: we're booked for 13/14 august? | 01:19 |
| bmoss | Loquacities, yep | 01:19 |
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| Loquacities | i think asettle has been working on a plan | 01:19 |
| bmoss | I've got us Opera house from 9am to 5pm both days | 01:19 |
| asettle | So far, yeah. There needs to be a greater movement in the passive voice bug before I'm certain, but I'm working on clearing that out the way so we can fully work on it | 01:20 |
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| Loquacities | bmoss: thanks! | 01:20 |
| Loquacities | asettle: sounds good :) | 01:20 |
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| Loquacities | asettle: can we possibly work on helping you out with the passive voice bug? | 01:20 |
| Loquacities | would that be helpful? | 01:20 |
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| asettle | Yes please, any volunteers please contact me asap. | 01:20 |
| bmoss | The swarm website is still kicking, btw: http://openstack-swarm.rhcloud.com/ | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | asettle: link to the bug? | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | for the minutes | 01:21 |
| bmoss | Work on the passive voice can be done by me. | 01:21 |
| asettle | Loquacities, bugs have to be created as I go | 01:21 |
| asettle | Otherwise Andreas closes them on me :P | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | lol | 01:21 |
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| asettle | But so far I need someone to take over this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1402462 | 01:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1402462 in openstack-manuals "Remove passive voice from chap 3, arch guide" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Alexandra Settle (alexandra-settle) | 01:21 |
| asettle | And Loquacities how are you going on your chapter 2? | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | mine's done | 01:21 |
| Loquacities | bug's closed | 01:22 |
| asettle | Unfortunately it isn't: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1400552 | 01:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1400552 in openstack-manuals "Remove passive voice from Chap 2 Arch guide" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Lana (loquacity) | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | oh, what the? | 01:22 |
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| Loquacities | ok, i'll look into that | 01:22 |
| Loquacities | sorry | 01:22 |
| asettle | Please, let me know when that one is cleared :) | 01:22 |
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| Loquacities | ok | 01:22 |
| asettle | Is someone able to take over chapter 3? | 01:22 |
| bmoss | asettle, I'll grab 1402462 | 01:22 |
| suyog | I can take that. | 01:22 |
| asettle | suyog, I can assign you chap 5 ? | 01:23 |
| asettle | bmoss, you assign yourself chap 3 | 01:23 |
| suyog | ok, sounds good. | 01:23 |
| bmoss | my precious | 01:23 |
| Loquacities | great! | 01:23 |
| Loquacities | lol | 01:23 |
| asettle | If anyone else is interested, ping me :) | 01:23 |
| Loquacities | #topic User Guides new specialty team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005811.html | 01:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Guides new specialty team: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-February/005811.html (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:23 | |
| Loquacities | this is more informational than anything, i'll be sending something more about that hopefully today | 01:23 |
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| Loquacities | (i wanted to have that done before this meeting, but omg too many meetings this morning) | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | also, related: | 01:24 |
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| Loquacities | #topic Installation Guide new speciaility team | 01:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation Guide new speciaility team (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:24 | |
| Loquacities | damn, typo | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | karin levenstein is handling that one, and should have more info on the list shortly | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | so keep an eye out for those two, if you're interested in helping out | 01:24 |
| bmoss | recorded indelibly in the minutes... tsk tsk | 01:24 |
| asettle | suyog, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1427935 - assign yourself :) | 01:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427935 in openstack-manuals "Remove passive voice from chap 5, arch guide" [Undecided,New] | 01:24 |
| Loquacities | i know, right?! | 01:24 |
| suyog | asettle, ok. | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | #topic Installation guide split for Kilo | 01:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Installation guide split for Kilo (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:25 | |
| Loquacities | so, karin will probably go into more detail here | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | but it looks as though we'll need to split the install guide for kilo | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | this is mostly because RST can't handle our conditionals | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | so, consider that a heads up | 01:25 |
| Loquacities | #topic Doc tools update | 01:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools update (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:26 | |
| Loquacities | how's everyone going with RST conversion? | 01:26 |
| Loquacities | i know darrenc has done a bunch of work | 01:26 |
| Loquacities | and matt k and i have been working on the networking guide | 01:26 |
| darrenc | Anne has sorted out some indenting issues with numbered lists | 01:27 |
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| Loquacities | yeah, that's great | 01:27 |
| Loquacities | we're getting closer to workable semantic markup | 01:27 |
| Loquacities | and the toolchain is now more or less working properly | 01:27 |
| Loquacities | with the expection of translations | 01:28 |
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| Loquacities | ok, we have two minutes left ... | 01:28 |
| Loquacities | #topic open discussion | 01:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 01:28 | |
| Loquacities | anything else you guys want to go through? | 01:28 |
| dnavale | asettle, i can take one of the passive voice bugs.. let me know the bug# | 01:28 |
| asettle | dnavale, great! I'll create a chap 6 bug for you, assign yoself | 01:28 |
| asettle | After that, we have 3 more chapters to get through | 01:29 |
| dnavale | sounds good | 01:29 |
| asettle | If we get this passive voice issue out of the way, we don't have it as a concern for the swarm | 01:29 |
| asettle | One second dnavale | 01:29 |
| darrenc | asettle I | 01:29 |
| JRobinson__ | There's been an update on the infra jobs processes. | 01:29 |
| darrenc | I'll help out once I get through the end user guide migration | 01:29 |
| Loquacities | JRobinson__: oh? | 01:29 |
| JRobinson__ | Translation checks, link checks, and syntax check conditions are now more conditional: | 01:30 |
| asettle | No rush, darrenc :) thank you. These bugs are easy enough and can be done within a week (well, actually, some pages are huge, I take that back...) | 01:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | They only run if changes happen in PO/POU files or xml files change. The mailing list has specifics | 01:30 |
| Loquacities | great! | 01:30 |
| asettle | dnavale, https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1427938 - go right ahead and assign ytourself please :) | 01:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1427938 in openstack-manuals "Remove passive voice from chap 6, arch guide" [Undecided,New] | 01:30 |
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| Loquacities | i did notice that jenkins is passing the networking guide patch now | 01:30 |
| Loquacities | so we're getting somewhere :) | 01:31 |
| dnavale | asettle: done | 01:31 |
| asettle | Great! All yours :) | 01:31 |
| JRobinson__ | that's PO/POT files^ | 01:31 |
| Loquacities | ok, we're at half past, so i'm calling it | 01:31 |
| Loquacities | thanks for coming, everyone :) | 01:31 |
| Loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 01:32:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-03-04-01.03.html | 01:32 |
| bmoss | cheers y'all | 01:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-03-04-01.03.txt | 01:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-03-04-01.03.log.html | 01:32 |
| asettle | bmoss, dnavale and Sukhdev - I guarantee you are going to find more issues than just the passive voice. IF you do see unnecessary content, take it upon yourself to delete it, rearrange it, etc. We will however be planning to go over the tone, audience and content with the swarm | 01:32 |
| asettle | damnit suyog * sorry Sukhdev | 01:32 |
| bmoss | cool. Thanks asettle | 01:32 |
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| dnavale | asettle: ack | 01:32 |
| asettle | Cool! Thanks for your help guys :) this'll really get us moving and shaking | 01:33 |
| suyog | ok, asettle. | 01:33 |
| suyog | No worries. | 01:33 |
| * Sukhdev lol:-) | 01:33 | |
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| DuncanT | Are we here yet? | 15:59 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 16:00:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | DuncanT: yes, it's now time | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi everyone | 16:00 |
| dulek | Hi! | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| murugang-brcd | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| mkoderer | hello | 16:00 |
| mitake | hi | 16:00 |
| yamada-h | hi | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| gary-smith_ | hi | 16:00 |
| bswartz | o/ | 16:00 |
| kazum | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | рш | 16:00 |
| thingee | Third party ci reminder | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:00 |
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| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/054614.html | 16:00 |
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| hemna | morning | 16:00 |
| thingee | March 19th | 16:00 |
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| thingee | you should have a third party running way earlier than that. Expecting to have one done on March 19th is just not logical. | 16:01 |
| rhe00 | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | Please see me if you're driver maintainer and have no idea what I'm talking about | 16:01 |
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| thingee | Cinder deadlines... | 16:01 |
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| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056964.html | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | march 10th, all blueprint code must be merged. | 16:02 |
| thingee | if it's not merged by then, it's not going in. | 16:02 |
| thingee | no exceptions. | 16:02 |
| thingee | bug fixes from there on out for Kilo | 16:02 |
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| thingee | I'll be hitting the reviews hard this week, and I hope others will join me | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:02 |
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| thingee | great job to all cinder contributors for this | 16:03 |
| thingee | we're getting close! | 16:03 |
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| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:03 |
| thingee | see the priorities here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-k3-priorities | 16:03 |
| thingee | of what to review | 16:03 |
| asselin_ | hi | 16:03 |
| thingee | even if you're not core, your review matters! | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Did you see the discussion about the oslo logging namespace change? Ivan is going to update it on the 10th, we want to merge it last so it doesn't cause rebase conflicts for everybody else | 16:03 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: there's an agenda item about this. we can talk about it then | 16:04 |
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| thingee | lets get started! | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Actually, it's later on the agenda, ignore me for now | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:04 |
| thingee | #topic Vendor driver documentation changes | 16:04 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: hi | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Hey! | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133372/ | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/VendorDrivers | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | I just wanted a moment to point out some vendor driver documentation changes. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | See links above for the review and a new wiki page to be aware of. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | Basically the plan is to make vendor driver documentation smaller. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Mostly config info hosted by OpenStack, | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | So some vendors probably will need to work on hosting their own documentation. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | It can then be linked to from the official manuals. | 16:06 |
| annegentle | thanks for bringing it up smcginnis! | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Please take a moment to go to the wiki page and update your info. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | annegentle: No problem! | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | That's really it. Just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of that. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | annegentle: Please correct me if I've mis-stated anything. | 16:07 |
| thingee | This is excellent | 16:07 |
| annegentle | smcginnis: looks good to me | 16:07 |
| annegentle | smcginnis: and yes, really want to raise awareness | 16:07 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: consider updating https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/how-to-contribute-a-driver | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Good point, I'll take care of that. | 16:07 |
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| kmartin | annegentle, would you prefer we have one line per driver or company on the vendor driver wiki? | 16:08 |
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| thingee | #action smcginnis to update how to contribute cinder driver doc with info on driver doc in openstack docs | 16:08 |
| thingee | so much doc | 16:08 |
| annegentle | kmartin: looking | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | annegentle: If you could also review this section at some point that would be great: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/how-to-contribute-a-driver#After_Your_Driver_Is_Added | 16:08 |
| rhe00 | what's the deadline for documentation changes? | 16:08 |
| annegentle | kmartin: I like it as one line per "configurable" driver (even if the vendor's the same) | 16:09 |
| annegentle | rhe00: for the Configuration Reference, the deadline is same as code, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule | 16:10 |
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| annegentle | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/kilo/move-driver-docs.html | 16:10 |
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| rhe00 | ok, thanks | 16:11 |
| thingee | thanks smcginnis and annegentle! | 16:11 |
| annegentle | thankee thingee! | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:11 |
| thingee | #topic Following up modifying volume image metadata | 16:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Following up modifying volume image metadata (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:11 | |
| thingee | davechen: hi! | 16:11 |
| davechen | hi | 16:11 |
| davechen | Here is some quick update for volume image metadata modification to follow up some comments from previous meeting. | 16:11 |
| thingee | spec: | 16:11 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160147/ | 16:11 |
| thingee | cli: | 16:12 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147077/ | 16:12 |
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| davechen | Firstly, remove the snapshot related changes both in the SPEC (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160147/) | 16:12 |
| davechen | and CLI patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147077/). | 16:12 |
| davechen | So, only CRUD on the image metadata is proposed in the patches. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:12 |
| davechen | Secondly, import both role based props protection (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160090/) and policies based props protection(https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160145/) from Glance, and have a thorough testing recently. | 16:12 |
| davechen | Props protection is based on the RBAC, basically, role based props protection judge user's permission by his role and compare his roles with predefined rule configuration files; | 16:13 |
| davechen | polices based props protection parse the rules defined in configuration files and appended the rules to the basic RBAC rules and then determine the user access permission. | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | davechen: Any plan at some point to make this a common library with glance? | 16:13 |
| davechen | these is the most important comment I get from previous meeting. | 16:13 |
| davechen | DuncanT: common library? | 16:14 |
| davechen | DuncanT: not yet | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | davechen: Ok, thanks. Just wondered | 16:14 |
| thingee | davechen: I appreciate the work on this. | 16:14 |
| davechen | DuncanT: just did these separately, but it is good idea to do in that way. | 16:15 |
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| davechen | so, anything else I need address? | 16:15 |
| thingee | davechen: at this time we'll have to revisit things in Liberty. We're already pretty late in the Kilo cycle with the 20 targeted things in review. | 16:15 |
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| davechen | thingee: yeah, so is it still possible to merge the basic CRUD APIs? | 16:16 |
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| thingee | davechen: The problem is review resources. If I can keep focused on what's already on our plate, that would be great. | 16:16 |
| thingee | davechen: plus the number of people that would be pissed that aren't getting in because of the feb 15 feature freeze deadline | 16:16 |
| davechen | thingee: just check the review list, the feature is not planed in the review list even if the low priority. | 16:17 |
| thingee | davechen: and march 1st code pre feature freeze deadline | 16:17 |
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| davechen | thingee: okay, hope some volunteer could help to review it. | 16:18 |
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| thingee | davechen: thanks | 16:18 |
| thingee | #topic OpenStack Infra: add non-voting Sheepdog test job to cinder check pipeline | 16:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Infra: add non-voting Sheepdog test job to cinder check pipeline (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:18 | |
| thingee | kazum: hi | 16:18 |
| kazum | hi | 16:19 |
| thingee | I'm not sure why we're discussing this here. Not much we can do. | 16:19 |
| eharney | i didn't understand hemna's objection on this one | 16:19 |
| hemna | my objection was related to the fact that this was added w/o talking to the Cinder team | 16:19 |
| hemna | they want to make it voting | 16:19 |
| e0ne | if it is stable and non-voting, why not? | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | No way is it going to be voting | 16:20 |
| hemna | Their entire intention was to make it voting | 16:20 |
| thingee | the commit message says never voting | 16:20 |
| eharney | i thought it was aiming for voting, which would put it in line with what we are already doing for ceph/gluster | 16:20 |
| hemna | and they didn't even talk to us about it. | 16:20 |
| eharney | non-voting* | 16:20 |
| kazum | yes, we have no plan to make it voting. | 16:20 |
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| eharney | so this isn't really a new scheme | 16:20 |
| thingee | So I know there was some discussion about this on the ML. I really don't care if people want to add checks in the pipe queue if infra wants to work with them. | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | Bringing it up at the meeting is probably polite, just so there's an opportunity to shout. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Original commit mentioned planning to eventually vote. That was my only concern. | 16:21 |
| thingee | non-voting for sure. | 16:21 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | I'd rather it didn't vote as jenkins, but it isn't the end of the world | 16:21 |
| hemna | yup, their original messaging was to make it voting | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | Any concern with this increasing gate time? | 16:21 |
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| thingee | hemna: it might've just been a mistake | 16:21 |
| kazum | hemna: yes, sorry for confusion. | 16:21 |
| hemna | so I just thought it wasn't very cool to do something like this without at least talking to the Cinder team first. | 16:21 |
| thingee | and misunderstanding | 16:22 |
| hemna | that's all. | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT | Voting as jenkins makes it look more official than the other 3rd party CIs, which I don't really like | 16:22 |
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| eharney | fortunately infra is waiting for Cinder folks to give feedback on the review | 16:22 |
| jordanP | DuncanT, I agree with you | 16:22 |
| hemna | eharney, we only found out about it because anteaya brought it up to me | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Would be great if there was a separete open source third party CI. | 16:22 |
| thingee | well I think the interested parties should follow up on the review. Nothing should be voting. | 16:22 |
| thingee | We've discussed this here: | 16:23 |
| hemna | thankfully she gave us a heads up | 16:23 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers#When_thirdparty_CI_voting_will_be_required.3F | 16:23 |
| asselin_ | infra is working on creating new accounts to comment as not-jenkins | 16:23 |
| thingee | hemna: can you follow up so infra feels comfortable again? | 16:23 |
| hemna | thingee, sure | 16:23 |
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| thingee | kazum: anything else? | 16:24 |
| anteaya | all I needed to see was that you knew | 16:24 |
| hemna | just to be clear | 16:24 |
| anteaya | so now I see | 16:24 |
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| anteaya | and thanks | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | asselin_: Cool stuff | 16:24 |
| hemna | we are ok with it non-voting ? | 16:24 |
| kazum | no, thanks a lot :) | 16:24 |
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| thingee | hemna: right non-voting | 16:24 |
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| hemna | ok cool. | 16:24 |
| thingee | current decision still stands at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/tested-3rdParty-drivers#When_thirdparty_CI_voting_will_be_required.3F | 16:24 |
| thingee | until rediscussion | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | +2 | 16:25 |
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| thingee | hemna, kazum: thanks | 16:25 |
| thingee | #topic Porting volume drivers to use ABCmeta | 16:25 |
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| thingee | mkoderer: hi | 16:25 |
| mkoderer | hi there :) | 16:25 |
| thingee | DuncanT: hi | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:25 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138999/ | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | mkoderer has the mike | 16:26 |
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| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:bp/abc-volume-drivers,n,z | 16:26 |
| mkoderer | the driver change already got merged | 16:26 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127455/ | 16:26 |
| mkoderer | and I just realized that the BP was in state implemented | 16:26 |
| mkoderer | but in fact there is still much to do | 16:26 |
| mkoderer | IMHO we should try to port all drivers to use the model | 16:26 |
| hemna | mkoderer, in K ? | 16:27 |
| mkoderer | so I started with: rbd, gluster, nfs and block_device | 16:27 |
| e0ne | mkoderer: +1 | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | mkoderer ++ | 16:27 |
| patrickeast | in liberty right? | 16:27 |
| thingee | mkoderer: would consider breaking up the blueprint then. Have the base driver class bp marked as implemented. | 16:27 |
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| mkoderer | I personally don't care... it's up to you guys :) | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | Might as well start ASAP, it is a mostly a mechanical change | 16:27 |
| hemna | patrickeast, +1 | 16:27 |
| thingee | mkoderer: just in interest of time left in kilo with testing | 16:27 |
| hemna | I'm a bit worried making this change this late in the game | 16:27 |
| thingee | hemna: +1 | 16:27 |
| hemna | I'd vote for doing it early in L | 16:28 |
| mkoderer | so the changes as mostly simple: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:bp/abc-volume-drivers,n,z | 16:28 |
| tbarron | hemna: +1 | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | mkoderer: we can't verify it without CI | 16:28 |
| mkoderer | ok let's to it in L | 16:28 |
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| tbarron | changes may be simple but soak time is needed | 16:28 |
| mkoderer | e0ne: I see | 16:28 |
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| hemna | tbarron, yup | 16:28 |
| e0ne | mkoderer: i mean 3rd party ci :( | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Agree this shoudl wait for L. | 16:28 |
| kmartin | mkoderer, yes but all the additional reviews for each driver change needs to be taken into account | 16:29 |
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| winston-d | +1 for L | 16:29 |
| mkoderer | thingee: should I create an additional spec for that? | 16:29 |
| cebruns | tbarron: +1 | 16:29 |
| thingee | #agreed we wait for the rest abc driver changes in L | 16:29 |
| Swanson | L | 16:29 |
| thingee | mkoderer: please | 16:29 |
| mkoderer | thingee: k | 16:29 |
| thingee | #action mkoderer to break up abc driver blueprint | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | mkoderer: Is this something you are planning to do or do driver owners need to plan to make the changes? | 16:29 |
| hemna | mkoderer, I'd like to ping you about a driver.FibreChannelVD in #cinder and see if it makes sense to you | 16:30 |
| thingee | #action to adjust kilo release page accordingly with blueprints | 16:30 |
| mkoderer | and I added a script that extracts the driver support matrix out of ABC | 16:30 |
| mkoderer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160346/ | 16:30 |
| mkoderer | jungleboyj: I would really like to have the help of the driver owners .. yes :) | 16:30 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj, mkoderer: I have plans to send a mass email to driver maintainers on some other changes in Cinder, so it would be great to send it out then as well. | 16:30 |
| mkoderer | hemna: ok do that | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | mkoderer: Ok. Thanks for the heads up. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Good idea. | 16:31 |
| mkoderer | thingee: +1 | 16:31 |
| hemna | mkoderer, we can convert our drivers, so no problem there. | 16:31 |
| hemna | just in L :) | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Can you cc me on any such mass emails. please? I invariably get asked on IRC about them the day after (since I'm in a GMT+X timezone) and I have to go digging | 16:31 |
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| thingee | emails about new things in Kilo that drivers can do in L will be going out soon. Want to make sure folks are informed. | 16:31 |
| mkoderer | hemna: :) ook | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | mkoderer: Same here, just need to example to work from. | 16:31 |
| thingee | DuncanT: sure | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | Thanks | 16:32 |
| thingee | I also send a copy to the mailing list though | 16:32 |
| mkoderer | jungleboyj: yep I guess there are enough examples already in.. and it should be simple | 16:32 |
| thingee | DuncanT: ^ | 16:32 |
| thingee | did te same thing with the CI email | 16:32 |
| mkoderer | jungleboyj: like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138661/ | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT | thingee: That's where I go digging for it. Anything with my address CCd bypasses filters, that's all | 16:32 |
| thingee | DuncanT: k | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | mkoderer: Cool. Thanks! | 16:32 |
| mkoderer | k folks thx | 16:32 |
| thingee | mkoderer: thank you | 16:33 |
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| thingee | mkoderer: we all appreciate your work in this release with getting things going :) | 16:33 |
| thingee | #topic Move to oslo_log is coming! | 16:33 |
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| mkoderer | thingee: I do my very best :D | 16:33 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: hi | 16:33 |
| e0ne | thingee: tha main question is: do you want to land it in Kilo? | 16:33 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/157441 | 16:34 |
| e0ne | when is the best time for it? before or after FF. it requires a lot of rebases | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | thangp: Hi. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Hi. | 16:34 |
| thangp | jungleboyj: hi | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | thangp: Sorry, wrong th* | 16:34 |
| thangp | lol | 16:34 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:34 |
| thingee | e0ne, jungleboyj: what does it buy us to rush things? | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: So, I think we want to get this landed in K. DuncanT and hemna Were feeling that way. | 16:35 |
| e0ne | thingee: personally, i've got a lot requests from our operators for it | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Less that we need to worry about oslo.log in incubator. | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | thingee: It is a good time to do it, straight after code freeze - otherwise we get lots of merge conflicts in future | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Had requested it. | 16:35 |
| thingee | DuncanT: +1 | 16:35 |
| hemna | avoiding rebase churn would be nice. | 16:35 |
| hemna | I'm trying to avoid that as well with the shadow tables review | 16:36 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:36 |
| winston-d | e0ne: requests about what? | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | So, we would like to do it 3/10 or 3/11 to avoid disrupting the new function and get it in before we start doing a lot of fixes. | 16:36 |
| tbarron | DuncanT: that's compelling | 16:36 |
| thingee | well technically this is bug in Kilo https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/kilo-3 | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | Still get plenty of runt ime on it. | 16:36 |
| e0ne | winston-d: moving to oslo.log to make logs of different components similar | 16:36 |
| thingee | so I don't think anyone needs to convince me ;) | 16:36 |
| * DuncanT is happy to +2 it very early on the 11th | 16:36 | |
| e0ne | thingee: i filled a BP for it | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Just so that it doesn't stop any last minute merges on the 10th | 16:37 |
| thingee | e0ne: not sure why we need one | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +2 | 16:37 |
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| thingee | anyways, I'm fine if we can get it early after the freeze to help avoid rebase hell | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +2 | 16:37 |
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| e0ne | thingee: thanks! +1 for each rebase | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Great. Mainly I just wanted to bring it up here so people knew it was coming and there would be a brief period of rebase hell. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | In a week. | 16:38 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: makes sense | 16:38 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj, e0ne: thanks for keeping up with the oslo changes. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Cool! Thank you to e0ne for is work on that! | 16:38 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: are we done with oslo_ changes after this? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thanks for keeping me honest wiht the changes. | 16:38 |
| e0ne | jungleboy: :) | 16:39 |
| * thingee thinks he asks jungleboyj this once a week | 16:39 | |
| jungleboyj | We are mostly done with name space changes. I have the removal of config patch I am working on to get that out of incubator. | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | I have to get the scheduler workingt. | 16:39 |
| thingee | doh ok | 16:39 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: cool | 16:39 |
| hemna | so how much more do we want to get in then for K? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Once the logging change is in and the other two I will have a couple more clean-up patches. | 16:40 |
| hemna | those seem like big changes | 16:40 |
| hemna | late | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: As far as oslo_ goes. I think we are done. Looked a bit yesterday. | 16:40 |
| hemna | the oslo updates have bit us in the rear end a few times before late in the release cycles | 16:40 |
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| thingee | so maybe early L | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Right, that is why I want to get these wrapped up in the next week. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | I should be able to do so. | 16:41 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:41 |
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| hemna | ok | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: The only big change is the scheduler part. | 16:41 |
| hemna | yah, that one, should wait IMHO | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | hemna might have a point... big changes at this point are high risk | 16:41 |
| thingee | hemna: I agree. I'm mostly not excited about oslo_log changes personally because I don't know what it's buying us to have it so late. | 16:41 |
| thingee | hemna: but if majority of the community is really wanting this and we can have it early after freeze, fine | 16:41 |
| thingee | hemna: re oslo_log | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: winston-d, what do you think? | 16:41 |
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| DuncanT | logging is a small change, just hits an annoying number of files | 16:42 |
| hemna | thingee, +1 | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:42 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:42 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: again I'm not sure why we want oslo_log right away. So I'm unlikely to agree with anything else being updated at this point. | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | scheduler makes me more nervous | 16:42 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj: the normalize support in scheduler filter? | 16:42 |
| hemna | yah the log patch is fairly limited. as long as oslo_log isn't broken itself, it should be ok. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: Yes. | 16:42 |
| thingee | 8 days + whatever RC time for gate testing. I think we need to be careful at this point | 16:42 |
| hemna | thingee, +2!! | 16:42 |
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| winston-d | jungleboyj: don't we have a dependenecy in olso-incubator? | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: There is a fix I would need to get in there. | 16:43 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj: to add support for 'infinite' in normalize() | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | winston-d: Right. I am ok with waiting on that if that is ok with you. | 16:43 |
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| thingee | does anyone disagree on waiting for things besides oslo_log? | 16:43 |
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| thingee | in Kilo | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Let me make the following proposal: | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | 1) Get oslo_log change in for Kilo. | 16:44 |
| winston-d | jungleboyj: please wait for a proper fix to accommadate 'infinite' | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | 2) Hold off on scheduler change for Liberty. | 16:44 |
| e0ne | just fyi, oslo feature freaze is on March, 12th | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | 3) I move to the new config engine this week as it lets us get other cleanup in incubator done. | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Remove files that we don't need to be carrying along. | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Those will just be removing files we already have stopped using. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Then I will be done with Oslo. | 16:46 |
| thingee | 1 and 2 seem fine. Need to see what 3 looks like | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | Config engine change makes me a little nervous, but gate should test it fairly well | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 It shouldn't be a huge deal. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | I will get it coded up and see what you guys think. | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | Need to follow up on any 3rd party failures though, since they are testing more of the config code than jenkins | 16:46 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: will it impact any package mainteiners? | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Not if I write it properly. :-) | 16:47 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: fair enough :) | 16:47 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: anything else? we have a couple more things on the agenda | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: DuncanT thingee I will stop work on the scheduler and move to the config work so you have something to see yet this wek. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | We can revisit next week. | 16:47 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: ok | 16:47 |
| e0ne | ok | 16:47 |
| thingee | #topic Replication follow up from last meeting | 16:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Replication follow up from last meeting (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:48 | |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Thanks for the discussion and input! | 16:48 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: hi | 16:48 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: He. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Hi. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | :-) *sigh* | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | I can't type today. | 16:48 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I'm going to do a hard cut on this in 6 mins. need to leave time for jbernard | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, so I just wanted to follow up. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | We took the discussion last week about GPFS and Storwize to heart. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | So, this is a quick discusion. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | We are not going to try to get any more replication changes in for this release and we are going to focus efforts on helping get V2 on track for Liberty. | 16:49 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | You all are right that that makes more sense than trying to get more changes in now. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Hope that we can be of better benefit to everyone by focusing our efforts that way. | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | That was all I had on that. | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:50 |
| thingee | I'll be providing more input on the replication stuff soon. Just in constant review mode :) | 16:50 |
| thingee | for kilo | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Same here. | 16:50 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: thanks | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | We are continuing to look at the bugs out there. | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | 9 minute warning | 16:51 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I've been watching, thanks :) | 16:51 |
| thingee | #topic Generic volume migration consensus | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Generic volume migration consensus (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:51 | |
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| thingee | jbernard: hi | 16:51 |
| jbernard | hey guys | 16:51 |
| thingee | jgriffith: here? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Welcome. | 16:51 |
| jbernard | my volume migraiton patch is availalbe for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135002/ | 16:51 |
| thingee | I've pinged jgriffith number of times to relook at this | 16:51 |
| jbernard | winston has provided some great feedback | 16:52 |
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| jbernard | and we've iterated a few times | 16:52 |
| jbernard | im left with two questions: | 16:52 |
| jbernard | 1. Do we agree that the patch in it's current form is not good enough to merge | 16:52 |
| jbernard | 2. If winston's suggested approach is implemented, is that what we want | 16:52 |
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| jbernard | and i guess also | 16:53 |
| jbernard | 3. we need CI for this, where does that fit in | 16:53 |
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| jbernard | the patch as it is, adds support for rbd migration wihtout introducing regressions for previous drivers | 16:54 |
| jbernard | but the encapsulation is not awesome | 16:54 |
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| jbernard | and in general, im looking for some agreement so i don't go off in a wrong direction | 16:54 |
| * DuncanT would like to look at LVM + 3rd party driver for 3rd party CI in L. Probably not required initially, but it would allow at least some migration testing | 16:54 | |
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| jbernard | also, we can revisit next week, i dont need an answer right now | 16:55 |
| jbernard | it may take time to digest it all | 16:55 |
| jbernard | but i wanted to bring it up | 16:55 |
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| jbernard | QED | 16:55 |
| * DuncanT didn't like the overloaded attach that doesn't attach, for the record | 16:55 | |
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| jbernard | DuncanT: in the alternative? or as it is currently? | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | But I couldn't come up with anything better... am trying to make sense of winston's proposal now | 16:56 |
| jbernard | ahh | 16:56 |
| jbernard | me too, this morning has been busy | 16:56 |
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| winston-d | I hope avishay can sponse the review this generic vol migration patch. | 16:57 |
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| thingee | ok, I don't have much input on this. Honestly haven't been following, so looking to others to chime in | 16:57 |
| winston-d | he's the original author of migration. | 16:57 |
| thingee | 3 mins | 16:57 |
| winston-d | time for opens? | 16:58 |
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| winston-d | I have one | 16:58 |
| thingee | jbernard: thanks and sorry for the lack of discussion | 16:58 |
| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:58 | |
| bswartz | Next week cinder meeting is Noon Eastern/9AM Pacific thanks to DST in the USA | 16:58 |
| jbernard | no worries, if anyone does have time to look, i would be grateful | 16:58 |
| thingee | bswartz: +1 | 16:59 |
| thingee | thanks for the reminder | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | Still the same time UTC, right? | 16:59 |
| thingee | make sure to send your summit session proposals here! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-proposed-sessions | 16:59 |
| bswartz | yeah UTC time never changes | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: +1 Thank you! | 16:59 |
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| hemna | 1 minute | 16:59 |
| winston-d | bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1406703 | 17:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1406703 in Cinder "Deleting VM with an attached volume during copy-volume-to-image causes the volume remains in-use state" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Abhijeet Malawade (abhijeet-malawade) | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Zuul check queue stuck due to reboot maintenance window at one of our cloud providers - no need to recheck changes at the moment, they won't move forward." | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 17:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-03-04-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-03-04-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-03-04-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| winston-d | oops | 17:00 |
| tjones1 | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 17:00:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| tjones1 | hi folks | 17:00 |
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| * thangp waves | 17:00 | |
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| tjones1 | *waves back* :-) | 17:01 |
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| NarenNarendra | Hi Cinder team! I am working with the OpenStack Product WorkGroup. We had a Kilo midcycle meetup back in January. One of the immediate tasks that we have picked is to speak with each of the project teams/PTLs on data gathering | 17:01 |
| tjones1 | hi - sorry you missed the cinder meeting. It is at 8amPST. this is the vmwreapi meeting | 17:01 |
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| NarenNarendra | Do any of the Cinder folks have a few mins to chat here or 1-1 regarding these questions: | 17:01 |
| bswartz | NarenNarendra: you're in the wrong meeting, go to #openstack-cinder for help | 17:01 |
| thangp | NarenNarendra: go to #openstack-cinder | 17:01 |
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| tjones1 | ok anyone besides thangp here for vmwareapi? | 17:02 |
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| tjones1 | oh well - it's going to be a quick one :-) | 17:02 |
| NarenNarendra | 1. What are you delivering for Kilo? | 17:02 |
| NarenNarendra | 2. What do you plan on delivering for Liberty cycle? (we understand confidence is lower with time). | 17:02 |
| NarenNarendra | 3. What do you plan on delivering for M cycle? (we understand confidence is lower with time). | 17:03 |
| NarenNarendra | 4. How can the product WG help? | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | NarenNarendra: you are in the wrong meeting | 17:03 |
| thangp | tjones1: i guess it would be quick :) | 17:03 |
| garyk | i am here (i think) | 17:03 |
| thangp | tjones1: just had a question on when standard vswitch will be supported in neutron | 17:03 |
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| tjones1 | garyk: do you know? | 17:04 |
| thangp | tjones1: not sure I see anything proposed for it | 17:04 |
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| tjones1 | thangp: i have not heard anything around that | 17:04 |
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| tjones1 | i can ask | 17:04 |
| thangp | tjones1: np, just worried some of the basic stuff we have will no longer work once nova-network is deprecated | 17:05 |
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| tjones1 | yeah good point | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | i'll get back to you (maybe during this meeting) | 17:05 |
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| thangp | tjones1: ok thx | 17:05 |
| tjones1 | #topic bugs for kilo | 17:05 |
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| garyk | thangp: for neutron in the vmware_nsx repo we have a patch for simple dvs support with neutron | 17:05 |
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| garyk | this has limitations | 17:05 |
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| tjones1 | #undo | 17:06 |
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| thangp | garyk: ok, do you have a link for the repo? | 17:06 |
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| garyk | thangp: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154771/ | 17:07 |
| thangp | garyk: thx | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | ok lets quickly go over the kilo bugs | 17:07 |
| tjones1 | #topic bugs for kilo | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs for kilo (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:08 | |
| tjones1 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142174/ | 17:08 |
| thangp | tjones1: so garyk wanted a bp for it | 17:08 |
| tjones1 | yes i see that | 17:08 |
| thangp | does the bp require a nova-spec? | 17:09 |
| thangp | the spec would be quite small | 17:09 |
| thangp | is just a bp ok? | 17:09 |
| thangp | swap disk is by itself a small patch | 17:09 |
| thangp | minus the tests | 17:09 |
| tjones1 | im looking at the change now | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | a bp would miss kilo for sure | 17:10 |
| thangp | if it requires a nova-spec, it's not going to make it until liberty | 17:10 |
| tjones1 | im even confused when a bp needs a spec and when it just can be a bp….. | 17:11 |
| thangp | :) too much paperwork | 17:11 |
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| tjones1 | i think it needs a spec if it is a large change - this is adding a feature (feature parity really). so perhaps just a bp | 17:11 |
| tjones1 | agreed on the paperwork :-( | 17:12 |
| thangp | tjones1: ok...we'll find out once a core reviews it | 17:12 |
| thangp | i just don't think a nova-spec is required until necessary | 17:12 |
| tjones1 | we need a minesweeper run for sure | 17:12 |
| thangp | yup | 17:12 |
| tjones1 | can you recheck minwseeper? | 17:12 |
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| thangp | sure, will do it now | 17:12 |
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| tjones1 | next one is your too #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128508/ | 17:13 |
| tjones1 | looks like this is ready for core | 17:13 |
| thangp | tjones1: yeah...i'll try to ping someone on #openstack-nova after this mtg about it | 17:13 |
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| tjones1 | yeah it has plently of +1 and minesweeper too | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | next is #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158269/ | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | mdbooth: you here? | 17:14 |
| mdbooth | tjones1: Sorta | 17:14 |
| tjones1 | want to update us on your patch ^^? | 17:14 |
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| mdbooth | tjones1: I have little confidence of it landing. It has irritated dansmith, which is something of a poison pill for any patch. | 17:15 |
| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Issue solved, gate slowly digesting accumulated changes | 17:15 | |
| tjones1 | :-( | 17:16 |
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| thangp | mdbooth: lol | 17:16 |
| thangp | mdbooth: that is unfortunate | 17:16 |
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| mdbooth | There is no substantive objection to the contents of the patch that I'm aware of | 17:16 |
| mdbooth | However, that doesn't seem to be terribly important | 17:17 |
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| tjones1 | bummer | 17:17 |
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| tjones1 | not sure what to say | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | Indeed | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | ok well lets move on | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | #topic meeting times | 17:18 |
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| tjones1 | so next week the US has daylight savings time. so this meeting will move up 1 hour for those of you in the US. | 17:18 |
| tjones1 | garyk: what time is your meeting going to be? can't recall | 17:19 |
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| garyk | tjones1: tbd. i will send a mail to the list | 17:20 |
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| tjones1 | next week gary is going to chair the meeting starting at ?? and then the next week i will chair at 1700 UTC etc. so we will cycle times like other meetings do | 17:20 |
| tjones1 | also we are going to open it up to glance, neutron, cinder, etc. anyone who has an interest in the vmware driver. not just nova | 17:21 |
| tjones1 | make sense? | 17:21 |
| thangp | sounds good to me | 17:21 |
| garyk | yeah | 17:21 |
| tjones1 | ok so that is all i had. | 17:21 |
| tjones1 | anything else? | 17:21 |
| garyk | not on my side | 17:22 |
| thangp | me either | 17:22 |
| tjones1 | ok short meeting | 17:22 |
| tjones1 | thanks guys! | 17:22 |
| tjones1 | see you later | 17:22 |
| thangp | have a good week | 17:22 |
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| tjones1 | #endmeeting | 17:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 17:22:30 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-03-04-17.00.html | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-03-04-17.00.txt | 17:22 |
| tjones1 | you too thangp | 17:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2015/vmwareapi.2015-03-04-17.00.log.html | 17:22 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 19:00:42 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | hello, who's here for the swift meeting? | 19:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 19:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 19:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 19:01 |
| zaitcev | o7 | 19:01 |
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| kota_ | ya | 19:01 |
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| * notmyname gives people a moment to join | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| notmyname | agenda is there | 19:02 |
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| notmyname | the goal of this meeting to to review the EC status and make a call on our commitment to an EC beta in kilo | 19:03 |
| notmyname | also, I've got a hard stop in 27 minutes :-) | 19:03 |
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| zaitcev | I cannot answer the final question, sorry. Ask Paul/Sam/Clay, decide yes/no, done! Should be free way before the hard stop. | 19:05 |
| notmyname | it's for all of us :-) | 19:05 |
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| zaitcev | I should look how intrusive EC is and perhaps it's not bad wrt regressions | 19:05 |
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| acoles | hi | 19:05 |
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| notmyname | acoles: hello | 19:05 |
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| zaitcev | If it is, the sooner we pull it, the better | 19:06 |
| notmyname | I have been talking to them, nearly every day. /me is trying to to be annoyed that they aren't here | 19:06 |
| notmyname | *not to be | 19:06 |
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| tdasilva | peluse mentioned something last night about traveling to Boston today | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | ah, right | 19:07 |
| tdasilva | not sure if that was after the meeting | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | and peluse just sent me a text message. wifi not working at the airport | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's get started | 19:07 |
| notmyname | #topic ec status | 19:07 |
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| notmyname | here's where we are, as I know it | 19:08 |
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| notmyname | the swift part of the code is going well | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | ok, I'm here | 19:08 |
| notmyname | basice GET and PUT functionality has landed | 19:08 |
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| mattoliverau | peluse_: found some internets | 19:08 |
| notmyname | peluse_: yay | 19:08 |
| peluse_ | found curt's PC :) | 19:08 |
| notmyname | there will need to be some refactoring work on the read/write path, but that may not make it into a beta | 19:09 |
| peluse_ | so yeah the big review is the multiple fragment index one, thats important and needs to be next focus | 19:09 |
| notmyname | there is some additional functionality that is being worked on | 19:09 |
| notmyname | eg torgomatic is working on ranged gets and cleaning up some of the put path | 19:09 |
| peluse_ | agree on read/writre refactoring. we may want some tweaks before beta but beyond that and bug fix should be OK | 19:09 |
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| acoles | peluse_: you mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159637 ? | 19:09 |
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| peluse_ | not on my laptop so don't want to click away and get lost but the one you are working on with me, yes :) | 19:10 |
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| acoles | peluse_: sure, thats the one then :) | 19:10 |
| notmyname | clayg is looking at some of the bckground daemon processes. eg container-sync and the account-reaper have to be refactored to account for using internal proxy instead of direct calls | 19:10 |
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| peluse_ | and the reconstructor will be back up and running this weekend. unfortunately I'm out of office til Sun | 19:11 |
| notmyname | there will likely be somewhat of a mad dash at the end to get the background daemon jobs working | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | ok. so the reconstructor is what peluse_ is working on | 19:11 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: that's been split apart, right? | 19:11 |
| peluse_ | notmyname: great news on the rework of the daemons, glad clayg is on it | 19:11 |
| notmyname | the multipl fragment index one (that acoles linked) | 19:11 |
| notmyname | acoles: you're working with peluse_ on that? | 19:12 |
| acoles | yes and i can spend more time on it | 19:12 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:12 |
| acoles | had some comments from mattoliverau and clayg to follow up on | 19:12 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:12 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I know you've been jumping in too. where are you looking right now? | 19:12 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161030/3 | 19:12 |
| notmyname | ah, good. thanks | 19:13 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: container update of etag and size | 19:13 |
| acoles | but clayg let a comment in #openstack-swift about wanting to refactor into per-policy diskfiles, so i'm not sure whether to proceed or if he is going to do a big re-write | 19:13 |
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| * notmyname stars that patch | 19:13 | |
| acoles | s/let/left/ | 19:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok | 19:13 |
| peluse_ | so we should talk more about policy diskfiles... make sure implications are clear to everyone | 19:13 |
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| peluse_ | including me :) | 19:14 |
| notmyname | I think clayg is looking at the b/g stuff first. but yes. I definitely want to understand that part | 19:14 |
| peluse_ | cool, maybe Mon we can talk | 19:14 |
| notmyname | ok, what else is ongoing in ec-landia? mattoliverau? kota_? you've both been reviewing and writing code in there | 19:15 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: are you looking at any ec stuff right now? | 19:15 |
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| zaitcev | notmyname: not this moment, no | 19:15 |
| mattoliverau | I've been reviewing and testing | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:15 |
| acoles | peluse_: notmyname : so should i hold off on multi frag patch until you've discussed per-policy diskfile? | 19:16 |
| peluse_ | zaitcev: if you have time to look at the multi FI patch (if someone can paste link) that would be rgeat. its diskfile guts changes | 19:16 |
| kota_ | on Swift part, I'm not working, right now, but will start to review | 19:16 |
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| * acoles doesnt wantto waste effort | 19:16 | |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 19:16 |
| kota_ | on PyECLib part, almost done my work to add NTT plugin. | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | kota_: right. you've been working on pyeclib. good (/me will come back to that is just a moment) | 19:16 |
| acoles | multi FI == https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159637/4 | 19:16 |
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| notmyname | peluse_: what do you think of acoles's question? per-policy diskfile discussion first or after? | 19:17 |
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| peluse_ | sorry before or afer what? | 19:18 |
| acoles | before or after i do any more work on it :D | 19:18 |
| peluse_ | OK, I see it now. I think we press forward | 19:18 |
| peluse_ | until we change our minds :) | 19:18 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:18 |
| notmyname | peluse_: thanks for splitting up some of the reconciler stuff | 19:19 |
| mattoliverau | lol, just what acoles wants to hear | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | it's a big piece, and the longer it stays there, the more worried I am about it | 19:19 |
| peluse_ | so seriously though, yeah I think we should keep with the current direction until we have good reaons to change and all agree | 19:19 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: right! | 19:19 |
| notmyname | agreed | 19:19 |
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| acoles | fwiw i was finding ways to hide policy specific stuff in the policy classes | 19:19 |
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| acoles | and i think there is more scope | 19:19 |
| notmyname | ok, last question about the swift code: has anyone been looking specifically at tests for ec? | 19:19 |
| acoles | its whether that is sufficient or we flip to multiple diskfile classes | 19:20 |
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| peluse_ | acoles: yup, agree. little things like that can make full per policy diskfile less interesting | 19:20 |
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| acoles | peluse_: ok i will press on with a philosophical attitude to the lifespan of anything i type :) | 19:21 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I moved your task on trello into "doing" | 19:21 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: cool, thanks! | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ok, last moving piece is pyeclib | 19:21 |
| acoles | zaitcev: mattoliverau : ^^ i will spin another version of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159637 tomorrow fyi | 19:21 |
| * tdasilva needs to check trello more often | 19:21 | |
| * notmyname assumes nobody is yet looking specifically at test updates | 19:22 | |
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| zaitcev | thanks | 19:22 |
| notmyname | I talked to tsg about pyeclib this morning | 19:22 |
| notmyname | he's tracking down some dependency issues in ubuntu to get 1.0 available | 19:22 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: cool | 19:22 |
| notmyname | 1.0 removes the "remote calls during install" issue | 19:22 |
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| notmyname | and basically will be needed for any packaging and a lot of testing | 19:22 |
| notmyname | feature freeze for openstack kilo is in 2 weeks, so that's the deadline for getting that sorted out | 19:23 |
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| notmyname | so, all that being said.... | 19:23 |
| notmyname | looking at dates | 19:23 |
| notmyname | mar 27 is 4.5 weeks from today | 19:23 |
| notmyname | that gives us 2 weeks for a merge-to-master | 19:24 |
| notmyname | for an RC on april 10 | 19:24 |
| peluse_ | cool... i think | 19:24 |
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| notmyname | can we commit to an ec beta (most features, but not "certified prod ready") in that timeframe? | 19:24 |
| peluse_ | thanks acoles for the huge help on the fi patch! | 19:25 |
| peluse_ | yes | 19:25 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: sorry, little confused. you said "feature freeze for openstack kilo is in 2 weeks" | 19:25 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: sorry, dependency freeze | 19:25 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: got it, thx | 19:25 |
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| notmyname | #startvote Do we commit to an EC beta in Kilo? yes, no, delay | 19:27 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Do we commit to an EC beta in Kilo? Valid vote options are yes, no, delay. | 19:27 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:27 |
| notmyname | for delay, I mean, make that choice later | 19:27 |
| acoles | notmyname: you asked for commitment and it all went quiet ;) | 19:27 |
| notmyname | yes to commit to kilo | 19:27 |
| notmyname | no to have ec after kilo | 19:27 |
| tdasilva | lol | 19:27 |
| peluse_ | #vote yes | 19:27 |
| notmyname | acoles: I see that | 19:27 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: now that is the question :) so long as its "beta" i say yes. i've been impressed in testingbasic put/pull. nice work everyone | 19:27 |
| mattoliverau | #vote yes | 19:27 |
| notmyname | it will definitely only be a beta | 19:27 |
| notmyname | but if we commit to it, then we will cut scope to have something in kilo before we drop ec from kilo | 19:28 |
| clayg | #vote yes | 19:28 |
| peluse_ | and i think thats good we need real feedback on perf and usage even if were 100%done | 19:28 |
| notmyname | I've been impressed with the momentum over the last two weeks and so I | 19:28 |
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| notmyname | #vote yes | 19:28 |
| clayg | to having the current best ec implementation we can muster up for a review to merge to master two weeks before the first RC get's cut | 19:28 |
| zaitcev | #vote yes | 19:28 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes, that | 19:28 |
| kota_ | #vote yes | 19:28 |
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| lpabon | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| * lpabon if my vote counts for anything :-) | 19:29 | |
| notmyname | acoles: cschwede: tdasilva ? | 19:29 |
| acoles | i'm trusting clayg peluse_ and other opinions, haven;t looked at state of tests | 19:29 |
| acoles | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| notmyname | lpabon: you just volunteered to do reviews! ;-) | 19:29 |
| tdasilva | #vote yes | 19:29 |
| tdasilva | i think we can do it | 19:29 |
| lpabon | lol | 19:29 |
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| clayg | acoles: we desperately need to start working on tests - but there's still functionality we know is missing :'( | 19:29 |
| notmyname | #endvote | 19:29 |
| openstack | Voted on "Do we commit to an EC beta in Kilo?" Results are | 19:30 |
| openstack | yes (9): notmyname, acoles, tdasilva, kota_, mattoliverau, lpabon, peluse_, clayg, zaitcev | 19:30 |
| notmyname | no one opposed. that's great! | 19:30 |
| tdasilva | what was the diff between no and delay anyway? | 19:30 |
| notmyname | delay = choose later | 19:30 |
| tdasilva | oh, delay the vote | 19:30 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: delay always appeal to me when faced with a decision ;) | 19:31 |
| notmyname | ok, I've got to run now. I'll be back in #openstack-swift in a while | 19:31 |
| tdasilva | acoles: understand you completely | 19:31 |
| tdasilva | :) | 19:31 |
| notmyname | now the scary part starts with poepl outside of the devs start to get involved and plan around our commitment | 19:31 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:31 |
| notmyname | thank you for coming and discussing. thanks for working on swift | 19:32 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 4 19:32:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-03-04-19.00.html | 19:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-03-04-19.00.txt | 19:32 |
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| clayg | acoles: ++ | 19:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-03-04-19.00.log.html | 19:32 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: thanks! | 19:32 |
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| tdasilva | peluse: peluse_ have a good trip | 19:32 |
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| sarob | hello product team | 22:58 |
| rolandchan | hello! | 22:58 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting product-team | 23:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 4 23:00:05 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 23:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 23:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_team' | 23:00 |
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| sarob | roll call | 23:00 |
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| rolandchan | Roland Chan, Aptira | 23:00 |
| mscohen | mikec | 23:00 |
| NarenNarendra | Naren Narendra | 23:01 |
| sarob | morning rolandchan | 23:01 |
| NarenNarendra | hey guys | 23:01 |
| sarob | afternoon | 23:01 |
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| sarob | \o/ | 23:01 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 23:01 |
| sarob | ello ello | 23:02 |
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| sarob | carol, shamail? | 23:02 |
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| sarob | imad, russellb, anyone else | 23:02 |
| barrett | Carol's here | 23:02 |
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| sarob | agenda | 23:03 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team#Agenda.2C_04_March_2015 | 23:03 |
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| sarob | first up | 23:03 |
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| sarob | we held a f2f openstack board meeting yesterday | 23:04 |
| sarob | our work was much discussed | 23:04 |
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| Rockyg | yay? | 23:05 |
| sarob | our group will be folded in as a working group under the user committee | 23:05 |
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| sarob | everyone was very postivie | 23:05 |
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| sarob | positive | 23:05 |
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| barrett | what does that mean? folded under the user committee? | 23:05 |
| sarob | and the tc members present very supportive | 23:05 |
| sarob | hey barrett | 23:05 |
| sarob | the board wants to show support | 23:05 |
| sarob | without setting the direction | 23:06 |
| barrett | great! | 23:06 |
| NarenNarendra | great sign.. | 23:06 |
| sarob | agreed | 23:06 |
| mscohen | are there other WG under the user committee? | 23:06 |
| sarob | i answered a lot of questions about what and why | 23:06 |
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| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Working_Groups | 23:07 |
| sarob | telco, WTE, application ecosystem, api, log rationalization, etc | 23:07 |
| mscohen | ok, so then i guess is good :) | 23:08 |
| sarob | these are the horizontial teams | 23:08 |
| Rockyg | Kewl. | 23:08 |
| sarob | mscohen: very good feedback | 23:08 |
| sarob | and this will give us a more visability | 23:08 |
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| sarob | a ran a breakout group on this | 23:10 |
| sarob | with imad, eileen evans, robert esker, and Mark McLoughlin | 23:10 |
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| barrett | What was the proposal from the breakout? | 23:11 |
| sarob | they want us to target the tokyo summit | 23:11 |
| sarob | to go public | 23:11 |
| sarob | with a multi-release roadmap | 23:11 |
| barrett | Excellent! | 23:11 |
| NarenNarendra | great! | 23:11 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 23:11 |
| Shamail | Hi all, that's good news | 23:12 |
| sarob | i told the breakout group in detail about what we are working on | 23:12 |
| sarob | they liked it all | 23:12 |
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| sarob | Mark McLoughlin, monty taylor, and russel brant were positive | 23:12 |
| NarenNarendra | in the meanwhile, the f/b that we are getting from PTLs is how to co-ordinate cross project comm and secondly, they want help to identify what customers are using and interested to use (features) in each of the project.... how do we tackle that | 23:12 |
| sarob | good sign for us working with the TC | 23:13 |
| sarob | i may lose you all in about 10-15 minutes | 23:13 |
| sarob | landing soon | 23:13 |
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| sarob | so lets run through the first part of the agenda | 23:14 |
| sarob | then you guys can do updates when i drop off | 23:14 |
| Shamail | I don't think we are ready for cross project comm... It is definitely a need for us to be successful. | 23:14 |
| Shamail | Sounds good sarob | 23:14 |
| NarenNarendra | shamail:agree | 23:14 |
| sarob | #topic operators midcycle | 23:15 |
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| sarob | id like to only present what data we have gathered | 23:15 |
| sarob | and make a request for the missing data | 23:15 |
| sarob | i dont want to jump the gun | 23:16 |
| barrett | Gathered from whom? PTLs? | 23:16 |
| sarob | barrett right | 23:16 |
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| NarenNarendra | agree | 23:16 |
| sarob | we should present our plans to the TC next | 23:16 |
| dttocs | For the data from the PTLs, I'm not convinced we should present that - I'd rather share back with PTLs first. | 23:16 |
| barrett | OK - I've taken the info in the etherpad and created a draft roadmap | 23:16 |
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| NarenNarendra | provides a way for us to nudge the other PTLs to spend some time with us | 23:16 |
| sarob | i dont want the TC to think we doing an end run with the operators | 23:16 |
| mscohen | we actually got feedback from most PTLs I think | 23:17 |
| barrett | Agree we need to share with TC - can we do that via email? | 23:17 |
| sarob | gathering data and socializing is working | 23:17 |
| sarob | lets play that out | 23:17 |
| barrett | We're still missing several projects | 23:17 |
| sarob | barrett right | 23:17 |
| dttocs | Given we're missing Nova, Cinder, Horizon | 23:17 |
| NarenNarendra | FYI - i am getting from cinder hopefully by end of next week | 23:18 |
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| dttocs | as key projects | 23:18 |
| barrett | I took the info from the etherpad and worked with Kenny and Shamail to create a draft roadmap and sent the link to the mail list | 23:18 |
| NarenNarendra | *getting data | 23:18 |
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| dttocs | presenting to Operators early next week feels like an end-run to me. | 23:18 |
| Rockyg | Thierry will be at midcycle ops meetup. We can pitch to him.... | 23:18 |
| sarob | #action barrett, sarob present data gathered highlights, request missing data at operator midcycle | 23:18 |
| sarob | rockyg good idea | 23:18 |
| Shamail | Who is attending from this team? | 23:18 |
| NarenNarendra | With Kilo deadline of March 5th, we should expect more responsiveness from the PTLs next week | 23:18 |
| sarob | true | 23:18 |
| Rockyg | I am. Or at least trying to. | 23:18 |
| barrett | I am...also wondering if the weather will be an issue | 23:19 |
| sarob | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PHL-ops-meetup | 23:19 |
| NarenNarendra | i am attending | 23:19 |
| sarob | the agenda is very full, so we may need to do the thing one on one | 23:19 |
| sarob | or in breakout group | 23:19 |
| sarob | nevertheless, its an opportunity | 23:20 |
| barrett | sarob agree | 23:20 |
| sarob | moving on | 23:20 |
| sarob | cause im going downnnn | 23:20 |
| sarob | #topic integration timeline | 23:20 |
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| Shamail | We should pitch to ttx but line up to be on agenda for a future TC meeting | 23:20 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam#Timeline_for_Integration_of_the_Product_team_with_other_teams.3B_PTLs.2C_TC.2C_and_other_User_Committee_working_groups | 23:20 |
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| sarob | shamail agreed | 23:20 |
| Shamail | I'm sure the dialog will be interactive | 23:20 |
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| sarob | so i started to rough out an implementation plan for this group | 23:21 |
| sarob | with tokyo nov2015 as our target | 23:21 |
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| sarob | TC present before vancouver | 23:21 |
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| sarob | then we can add in more milestones | 23:22 |
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| sarob | sound like a plan to come up with the plan? | 23:22 |
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| rolandchan | yep | 23:23 |
| barrett | sarob agree | 23:23 |
| Rockyg | yup | 23:23 |
| Shamail | Need to agree on process/workflow as well | 23:23 |
| Shamail | You have my feedback and I agree with your responses. Some of my comment are still open in doc | 23:23 |
| mscohen | works for me. just need owners... | 23:23 |
| Shamail | We can make plans on mailing list | 23:23 |
| sarob | lets keep our subteams plugging away | 23:23 |
| sarob | shamail: def socialize our plan of plan on the product ML | 23:24 |
| Shamail | Lol | 23:24 |
| Shamail | So meta | 23:24 |
| * sarob hearty laugh | 23:24 | |
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| sarob | if i can jump to roadmap since i will be offline soon | 23:25 |
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| sarob | #topic roadmap process update | 23:25 |
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| sarob | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/13JPDDiBGGXf5dtP0u8C-1So2Mjb3yEmGhv_ijVqyEf0/edit?usp=sharing | 23:26 |
| sarob | i threw this together last week | 23:26 |
| sarob | rough start | 23:26 |
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| dttocs | Looks like a good start | 23:27 |
| sarob | reuses some ideas from defcore | 23:27 |
| Shamail | Oops, I remarked too soon. My comment about the doc was related to this. | 23:27 |
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| sarob | the basic idea is we use gerrit for technical community review each step of the process | 23:28 |
| sarob | we tie our milestones to the release milestones | 23:28 |
| Shamail | DefCore needs to be acknowledged but probably out of band to our work for now. I also want to make sure we get use-cases from other groups (beyond WTE) as well | 23:28 |
| sarob | we only use the same tools as the PTLs | 23:28 |
| sarob | shamail def | 23:29 |
| Shamail | Sarob: +1 | 23:29 |
| * Shamail apologizes for timing being off... I'm on a phone client. | 23:29 | |
| sarob | i want our companies to start feeding our product user stories into WTE | 23:29 |
| barrett | +1 | 23:29 |
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| Shamail | But what about Telco, API, etc? | 23:29 |
| sarob | i am working this team process into vmware | 23:29 |
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| barrett | Telco WG is good place for Telco User Stories | 23:30 |
| Shamail | I know OPNFV is trying to enable their liason to OpenStack | 23:30 |
| sarob | of course | 23:30 |
| Rockyg | Telco is already gathering user stories | 23:30 |
| barrett | Seems like we might want to foster the start of other WGs: HPC, CSP..? | 23:30 |
| Shamail | barrett: I agree, I just want to make sure they know we exist as well | 23:30 |
| sarob | i meant to say other user committee working groups will feed product team | 23:30 |
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| sarob | user stories through patching to gerrit | 23:30 |
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| Shamail | barrett: +1 on asking others to build too | 23:31 |
| sarob | voting will be public | 23:31 |
| barrett | voting on what? | 23:31 |
| Shamail | Would announce ML make sense or the community newsletter? | 23:31 |
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| sarob | barrett on each step in the roadmap process | 23:31 |
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| sarob | just like any other openstack project | 23:31 |
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| Shamail | sarob: +1 but where would they land? Cross project repo? | 23:32 |
| barrett | sarob: not quite seeing how that will work, but am sure it will become clear as we move forward | 23:32 |
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| Shamail | I wonder if his wifi got shut down | 23:34 |
| Shamail | He said he was about to land | 23:34 |
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| barrett | Think so | 23:34 |
| Rockyg | Do we need more on this topic? | 23:35 |
| rolandchan | I think we have enough for now. There's a doc to provide feedback if needed. | 23:35 |
| Rockyg | If not, we should go to the updates | 23:35 |
| barrett | As part of the overall plan, we need to address gathering user stories and identifying gaps | 23:35 |
| Shamail | I agree with the concept though (let's see how it works) because working on our process, information collection, etc. needs to be done using the same methods as other projects and needs to be accessible to all. | 23:35 |
| Rockyg | And queue the topic change | 23:35 |
| Rockyg | #topic update socialize and gather data group | 23:36 |
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| Shamail | Thanks Rockyg | 23:36 |
| mscohen | so it looks like we want to present something at the operator summit? | 23:36 |
| mscohen | on socialization | 23:36 |
| Rockyg | Yeah. it won't turn out as a topic, but it will let readers know. | 23:36 |
| Shamail | Yep | 23:36 |
| mscohen | i won’t be there but anyone from the group can do it. | 23:36 |
| Rockyg | We should at least let the Ops know that we exist and what we are working on and towards | 23:37 |
| mscohen | i agree | 23:37 |
| mscohen | we could show what we have as WIP. | 23:37 |
| barrett | Also think we should ask them for use cases and give them a place and format | 23:37 |
| Rockyg | ++ on use cases | 23:37 |
| Rockyg | We should have a place they can propose them. | 23:38 |
| Shamail | I think the plan would be to show what've we've collected so far and ask for others to respond to help us finish collection. | 23:38 |
| barrett | here's some slides that could be a starting point for what we'd share...https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1396hSpQuOYM-XbLenkY1HzNCwiWsk-uN42eofpTbOUY/edit#slide=id.g637b47041_0378 | 23:38 |
| mscohen | i also made a spreadsheet of it about a week back https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kupS0hXh9aA15dJOs2A8XHbrisvnls94F7thJekT4jk/edit#gid=0 | 23:38 |
| Shamail | Rockyg: +1 goes hand in hand w/ other topic | 23:38 |
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| barrett | mscohen - nice! | 23:39 |
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| Rockyg | Spreadsheet might be the right way to present at the moment. | 23:39 |
| mscohen | let me update it again. i think some new data came in | 23:39 |
| Shamail | Ops summit is show current feedback from PTLs, ask others to help, and show where use cases can be submitted? | 23:39 |
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| Rockyg | It shows data collected but makes no judgements/presents no opinions yet | 23:39 |
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| mscohen | there are a few things you can show…like data for M is very thin | 23:40 |
| Shamail | Bingo. | 23:40 |
| Rockyg | So, we need to determine how to collect use cases by Monday, then. | 23:40 |
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| Shamail | I think that's probably a stretch goal Rockyg | 23:40 |
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| Shamail | Sharing current feedback would be P0 | 23:40 |
| Rockyg | shamail: agree;-) | 23:40 |
| barrett | Is the call to action for the Operators: Provide Use cases to shape M? | 23:40 |
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| mscohen | we could do something else simple like create a google form for operators to input use cases. Get someone to pop it up in front of everyone in one of the sessions | 23:41 |
| Rockyg | And maybe adjust priorities on L? | 23:41 |
| Shamail | + use-cases for "verticals" to respective group (WTE, Telco, etc) | 23:41 |
| rolandchan | +1 for semi-structured data. | 23:41 |
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| rolandchan | and the google form. | 23:41 |
| barrett | +1 on structure and form | 23:42 |
| Shamail | I think we shouldn't ask ops for that yet Rockyg. It might be seen as going to end run again. | 23:42 |
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| Rockyg | And a good example use case or two? | 23:42 |
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| Shamail | We should just ask for submissions, prioritization can't be done until we have spoke with TC. | 23:42 |
| Rockyg | k. | 23:42 |
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| barrett | Shamail: If we ask for Use cases and their view on gaps, I think we're OK. We have this dialog periodically with Operators (like San Antonio in August) | 23:43 |
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| Shamail | My guess would be they (and PTLs) will own prioritization initially (IMHO only) | 23:43 |
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| Rockyg | Well, we could report back what the ops think are fires.... | 23:43 |
| Rockyg | As part of the preso to them. | 23:43 |
| Shamail | Agreed Barrett. I was referring to prioritization | 23:43 |
| Shamail | True. | 23:43 |
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| Shamail | We just have to be careful to make sure people understand we are collecting feedback (including importance) but not actually taking action on that data yet | 23:44 |
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| barrett | Shamail: Agree | 23:44 |
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| Rockyg | So, socialize and gather data active at meetup. Provide info on what we are doing and gather hot topics from Ops | 23:44 |
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| Shamail | Rockyg: +1 AND CORNER TTX | 23:45 |
| Shamail | :-) | 23:45 |
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| Rockyg | Aye, aye! | 23:45 |
| barrett | From reading the PTL answers to "what can Product WG do to help" seems like providing feedback and helping to prioritize is what some want | 23:45 |
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| Shamail | Agreed, but we want TC to weigh in first before we help with that | 23:45 |
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| barrett | So can we use the info from the Operators next week, along with the form that we come up with to capture it, in the conversation with the TC? | 23:46 |
| Rockyg | Just an FYI, I think TC would *love* if we could provide some data on gap analysis | 23:46 |
| Shamail | We can help, for now, by collecting importance from ops, our companies, and customers | 23:46 |
| Rockyg | not immediately, but work with them to see what they need. | 23:47 |
| Shamail | I would think so and agree rockyg | 23:47 |
| Rockyg | Shamail: ++ | 23:47 |
| Shamail | By the way, NarenNarendra mentioned cinder by end of week | 23:48 |
| Rockyg | Enough on S&G? Next up wourd be roadmap process update | 23:48 |
| barrett | Do we have a volunteer to draft the feedback form? | 23:48 |
| Shamail | Any updates on other missing ones? Can anyone from the team help? | 23:48 |
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| dttocs | I'm still working on Ironic - hopefully soon. | 23:48 |
| mscohen | if naren has trouble with cinder, i can def help there | 23:48 |
| Shamail | Sorry again, phone is delayed :( | 23:49 |
| Rockyg | If we don't get the form before, those of us at the meetup can throw something together there.... | 23:49 |
| barrett | What about Nova input? | 23:49 |
| mscohen | nova is a big gap. Steve had said he’d do that it looks like | 23:49 |
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| Rockyg | That's Mikal Still, John Garbutt, Joe Gordon. We'll need to clear what we get from last two with Mikal | 23:50 |
| dttocs | Also for Infra and Release cycle, I don't think Stefano asked the "what are your current priorities" questions. If no one else has done so I'll follow up with him. | 23:50 |
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| Shamail | We shouls put some milestone around collection so we know when to start asking for help. | 23:50 |
| Shamail | Should* | 23:50 |
| Shamail | I'm sorry everyone. I have to drop off as well. I have to start driving. | 23:51 |
| Rockyg | #topic update product roadmap process | 23:52 |
| Rockyg | Do we have anything on that? | 23:52 |
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| Shamail | Good luck at the ops summit!!! I will see you next time. | 23:52 |
| Rockyg | We've got spreadsheet: | 23:52 |
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| Rockyg | We've got spreadsheet:#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kupS0hXh9aA15dJOs2A8XHbrisvnls94F7thJekT4jk/edit#gid=0 | 23:53 |
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| rolandchan | sarob put up a doc earlier for comment. | 23:53 |
| Rockyg | and first draft preso: | 23:53 |
| Rockyg | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1396hSpQuOYM-XbLenkY1HzNCwiWsk-uN42eofpTbOUY/edit#slide=id.g637b47041_0141 | 23:53 |
| Rockyg | and the process doc from sarob: | 23:54 |
| Rockyg | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/13JPDDiBGGXf5dtP0u8C-1So2Mjb3yEmGhv_ijVqyEf0/ | 23:55 |
| Rockyg | So, got that rolandchan.... | 23:55 |
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| Rockyg | If we just want to note those docs, that could be enough for the update and we could move to open discussion for 4 minutes | 23:56 |
| barrett | Sounds good | 23:56 |
| Rockyg | #topic open discussion | 23:56 |
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| Rockyg | Anything? | 23:57 |
| barrett | I think it would be valuable to create a timeline for deliverables to guide our actions | 23:57 |
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| barrett | don't see that in the doc that sarob started | 23:57 |
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| rolandchan | There's a small timeline on the wiki page. | 23:58 |
| rolandchan | I think we have a plan to flesh out the plan. | 23:58 |
| Rockyg | rolandchan: ++ | 23:59 |
| barrett | Do you think we should try to setup a F2F session on some of this to move it forward? | 23:59 |
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