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caperAny one familiar with bandwidth api13:50
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caperAny one familiar with bandwidth api13:51
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crinkle#startmeeting puppet-openstack14:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 23 14:00:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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EmilienMo/14:00
mdorman Hi14:00
crinkle#topic review last week's action items14:00
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spredzyhello14:01
crinklethe only action item last week was sbadia's work on rspec-puppet 2.014:01
mfischhi14:01
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sbadiahi14:01
crinklesbadia: any update?14:02
sbadiayep the card (on trello) continue to go ahead14:02
sbadiarspec3, puppet-rspec2, puppet4 and lint all parameters14:03
sbadia#link https://trello.com/c/tC7ZhPtN/10-add-puppet-lint-param-docs-plugins-to-puppet-lint14:03
crinklerspec-puppet 2 doesn't work with rspec 314:03
sbadiayep it's only a preparation14:04
crinkleah ok14:04
crinklecool14:04
sbadiarspec ~> 2.x is pinned in rspec-puppet 2.x14:04
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sbadiahttps://github.com/rodjek/rspec-puppet/commit/a5540918c983011adc2620a210717484e11cce4314:04
crinkleyup :(14:05
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sbadiaI have some trouble with some spec/unit but I have not watched yet14:06
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sbadiaI'll update the trello card14:06
crinkleokay, thanks sbadia14:06
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crinkle#topic open discussion14:06
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spredzycrinkle, my PR for modulesync is done14:07
EmilienMcrinkle: I think keystone v3 patch is ready for review14:07
spredzyI tried it on top of the commit you told me about and it works fine14:07
EmilienM#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146926/14:07
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crinklespredzy: we're stuck because i'm still working on that with someone else, apparently it doesn't work for them14:08
crinklebut i think your part's basically done, so thanks for working on it :)14:08
crinkleEmilienM: i was looking at that yesterday, i think it's still wip but we can check with him today14:09
EmilienMok14:09
EmilienMcrinkle: I plan do test it14:09
EmilienMprobably on packstack14:09
crinklecool14:09
crinkle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150108/14:10
crinklethe spec is still wip which is why i think the patch must be too14:10
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mfischcrinkle: next week I'd like to discuss the mid-cycle meet-up, curious who will be there beyond you, me, dvorak, and mdorman14:11
mfischcrinkle: and what we should cover14:11
crinklemfisch: i wanted to ask about that, from the last email it looks like we don't have a puppet-dedicated session?14:12
mfischI dont recall it on the schedule but we could still meet even if its not14:13
mdormanI'm sure there will be several others with a general interest in the topic14:13
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dvorakcrinkle: I was wondering about that also14:13
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mdormanIirc we do have a break out on the schedule14:14
crinkle#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-February/006268.html14:14
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dvorakI figured it might be app ecosystem14:15
dvorakor tools/monitoring14:15
mfischnot tools and monitoring14:15
mfischthats Monasca + databases14:15
mfischan odd mix...14:15
dvorakyeah, it struck me as odd that there weren't more sessions for this sort of thing14:15
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mfischwe can always make our own session14:16
mdormanLunch on the second day is slated for confih mgmt sessions14:16
crinkleoh i didn't notice that14:16
mfischthanks mdorman14:16
mdormanI knew it was there somewhere14:17
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crinklei'm not sure that's really going to provide an atmosphere where we can get things done, but then there aren't a lot of topics people want to discuss https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/philadelphia-puppet-ops-session14:18
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mfischI agree that lunch isn't the best forum for an agendad talk14:19
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mdormanI think a lot of people attend/sign up for that session just because they use puppet and it's of interest14:20
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mfischso the audience of less for people in this meeting and more for a general audience14:21
mdormanNot that there is some   specific thing they want to address re the project14:21
mdormanYed14:21
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mdorman*yed14:21
mdormanArgh. Yes14:21
mdormanI don't think it is inappropriate for us to come up with some agenda items we want to accomplish there, though14:22
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mfischThere's certainly some time slots there where I could skip the topic too14:23
dvoraksame14:23
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mdormanSo is that our main topic for next week? Hashing that all out?  Everybody come with ideas...14:24
crinklelet's continue to fill out the etherpad, and if we feel like we need it we can have an unscheduled session or possibly ask tom for our own session14:24
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crinkleright now it doesn't seem like enough material for a meeting14:25
mfischok14:25
mfischand +1 on this being a topic next week14:25
crinklewill add to agenda14:25
mfischI'd like to at least collect some phone #s so I can find you guys too14:25
crinkleheh14:25
dvorakI've not been to a mid-cycle operators meeting, anyone have an idea of the number of people that attend?14:26
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mdormanCouple hundred?14:27
mfisch100-200ish?14:27
mfischthats what I was thinking14:27
mdormanMaybe a few more this time just because things are always growing14:27
mdormanBut there were  about  150 at the last one iirc14:28
crinkleokay, everyone add topics to the etherpad and we can hash it out next week14:29
crinkleanything else for this meeting?14:29
sbadiaah, a quick question (unrelated with previous discusions :-)), we actually over-specify a lot of gems in our gemfile (w/o specific version), puppetlabs_spec_helper already define them as runtime deps ( https://github.com/puppetlabs/puppetlabs_spec_helper/blob/master/puppetlabs_spec_helper.gemspec#L20-L25 ) do you think it's a good idea to clean our gemfile?14:29
* mfisch has to commute, thx everyone14:29
sbadiamfisch: thx :)14:29
crinklesbadia: +114:29
sbadiaok, cool :)14:30
dvoraksbadia: makes sense to me, and I think it's a good time to do it14:30
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sbadiayep (modulesync / and our current changes)14:30
dvoraksbadia: I also tend to think we should probably just use the same Gemfile for everything when we can.  For example, I think neutron needs the json gem, but nothing else does.  I'd rather just put the json gem in every Gemfile to make maintenance easier14:30
sbadiadvorak: +114:31
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sbadiawith modulesync it would be easy ;-)14:31
sbadiaok, nothing else for me14:32
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crinkleokay, thanks everyone14:33
crinkle#endmeeting14:33
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Feb 23 14:33:04 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:33
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-02-23-14.00.html14:33
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-02-23-14.00.txt14:33
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/puppet_openstack/2015/puppet_openstack.2015-02-23-14.00.log.html14:33
sbadiathanks everyone!14:33
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 23 15:01:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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anteayaif you are here for the third-party meeting, do say hello15:01
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patrickeasthello15:01
anteayahello patrickeast15:01
anteayahow are you doing today?15:01
smcginniso/15:02
wznoinskhi15:02
asselinhi15:02
anteayawow15:02
anteayaa crowd15:02
* anteaya checks her hair15:02
anteayahow is everyone today?15:02
smcginnisanteaya: The pressure is on. :15:02
smcginnis:)15:02
patrickeasti’m doing well15:02
anteayasmcginnis: no kidding15:02
anteayapatrickeast: glad to hear it15:02
asselinvery busy15:03
anteayahow is everyone's system running, for those running systems?15:03
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smcginnisbusy and cold.15:03
anteayaasselin: I bet15:03
anteayasmcginnis: cold? where are you?15:03
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smcginnisMinnesota. I think it was -12 on the drive in this morning.15:03
* anteaya pictures everyone not her to be somewhere warmer15:03
asselinmine took a turn for the worse today. pypi issues or something else is breaking devstack15:03
anteayasmcginnis: ah okay, yeah you are cold too15:03
anteayaasselin: what are you seeing?15:04
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smcginnisn-novnc?15:04
asselingive me a sec15:04
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anteayais everyone okay if we take some time to discuss asselin's issue?15:05
anteayait might help other folks too15:05
smcginnisanteaya: Good with me.15:05
asselinhttp://15.126.198.151/00/155300/2/check/3par-iscsi-driver-master-client-pip-eos10-dsvm/74edc1f/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2015-02-23_14_23_52_61715:05
smcginnisasselin: I started getting this this morning: TypeError: setup() takes at least 2 arguments (1 given)15:05
smcginnisn-novnc failed to start15:05
smcginnisasselin: Doesn't look related to yours though.15:06
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anteayaasselin: this looks like it couldn't find a wheel15:06
asselinno...wonder ifyours is related to recent nova client changes15:06
asselinsmcginnis, there was a lot of stuff on the mailing list regarding that15:07
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asselinanteaya, yea, not sure why. and not sure why it isn't connecting to my pypi mirror.15:08
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anteayais the pip wheel on your pypi mirror?15:08
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asselinanteaya, it seems so. I was able to run the same command manually and it worked15:09
kaiserso/15:09
wznoinskasselin: a long shot, proxy settings ? (changed recently) ?15:09
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asselinhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/180602/15:10
asselinactually, looking at it again, seems manual setup went to pypi15:10
anteayaany chance pypi.python.org had a derp when you ran your tests before?15:12
anteayadid this happen more than one time?15:12
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anteayabut you want this to use your pypi mirror?15:13
asselinanteaya, yes, it's notoriously bad from my site, so I switched to a mirror. Maybe my mirror settings are no longer valid due to other pip changes15:13
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anteayaperhaps that is it15:13
asselinanteaya, it's causing many test failures this morning15:13
anteayasince it appears both your test log and your manual test hit pypi.python.org15:13
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anteayamany test failures this mornging <- for you or for more than you?15:14
asselinfor me15:14
anteayaokay15:14
asselinall red. I should sell my stocks15:14
anteayano kidding15:15
anteayacan we look at your mirror settings then?15:15
anteayaor can you and tell us what you see?15:15
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anteayawhile we are waiting for asselin15:17
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anteayadid anyone else hit what smcginnis seems to have hit this morning/local time of day for you?15:17
asselinhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/180604/15:17
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smcginnisanteaya: Regarding my issue, appears to be a legitimate bug and being addressed:15:19
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anteayalooks like it is hitting your extra-index-url without trying your index url15:19
smcginnishttps://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/142453215:19
openstackLaunchpad bug 1424532 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "setup() takes at least 2 arguments (1 given)" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Edward Hope-Morley (hopem)15:19
anteayasmcginnis: awesome15:19
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anteayaasselin: what happens if you comment out extra-index-url in the config and try manually?15:19
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asselinfyi it worked here (recently) http://15.126.198.151/13/155313/4/check/3par-iscsi-driver-master-client-pip-eos10-dsvm/eb5a0aa/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2015-02-23_14_36_02_16515:20
asselinanteaya, will try15:20
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asselinanteaya, it worked15:21
anteayaokay when it installs it successfully it doesn't tell us what url it used to get it15:22
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anteayaasselin: interesting15:22
asselinanteaya, no it doesn't15:22
anteayahmmm15:22
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asselinbut putting that line back and uninstall, and install, works too15:22
anteayaso where are we now?15:23
anteayaworking or still troubleshooting?15:23
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asselinwell...seems it's intermitnt. I'll kick off another job and hope this just goes away :/15:24
anteayaha ha ha15:24
* anteaya hopes that about a lot of things15:24
asselin:)15:24
anteayaany one have anything else that is one their minds?15:25
anteayaa question or stacktrace to discuss?15:25
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anteayano?15:26
smcginnisanteaya: I guess I can bring up one thing...15:26
anteayanoone has anything else they want to talk about15:26
anteayasmcginnis: go ahead15:26
patrickeastnothin from me today15:26
anteayapatrickeast: great15:26
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smcginnisHas anyone worked on making cinder FC testing easier. :)15:26
anteayaFC?15:27
smcginnisanteaya: Fibre channel.15:27
* asselin remembers his promise to smcginnis 15:27
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anteayaah15:27
smcginnisThere are some unique challenges with it for testing.15:27
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anteayawhat is the current status for fibre channel15:27
smcginnisAnd granted, unique to cinder and probable no one else.15:27
smcginnisanteaya: It works.15:27
anteayasmcginnis: yes I remember from the fort collins meetup15:28
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anteayasmcginnis: so fibre channel works15:28
smcginnisBut the challenge is you need to do things a little differently to be able to pass through a FC adapter to the instance.15:28
anteayaand it is being tested at all?15:28
smcginnisSo not as easy as just spinning up a cloud image.15:28
smcginnisanteaya: It is being tested. But requires some special handling.15:28
asselinanteaya, yes we have ours working (minus the recent devstack/pip wheel issue)15:28
anteayahow is that being done, the passing through a FC adapter to the instance?15:28
smcginnisasselin has done some good work I hear.15:28
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smcginnisAnd I'm not sure how it could be addressed widely.15:29
asselinok, here's the basics:15:29
anteayaasselin: are you able to share how you are testing fibre channel with your setup?15:29
smcginnisIt may just be something that is a specific challenge for vendors that need to support it.15:29
asselinanteaya, yes I plan to write it up...but I can go over it briefly now15:29
anteayaasselin: thanks15:29
* anteaya listens15:29
smcginnisasselin: Sorry, didn't mean to put you on the spot.15:29
asselinon the blade running openstck, there's a bit of setup.15:30
asselinfirst you need to export the fc pci devices15:30
asselinhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/180608/15:31
asselinI save that in the /etc/environment on the BLADE15:31
asselinthen, you also need to setup the fc_passthrough public key on the blade's authorized keys list15:32
asselinb/c the nova instance /jenkins slave/nodepool node will ssh into it's host blade to invoke the passthrough on itself15:32
asselin(BTW, there may be other solutions, but this is what we've got working now)15:33
smcginnisasselin: Thanks!15:33
smcginnisFor now at least I have custom scripting.15:33
smcginnisI have an ESXi host with an image staged and snapshotted.15:33
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smcginnisMy script just starts up the shutdown image, runs tests, shuts it back down and reverts it to the snapshot.15:34
smcginnisgit branch -a15:34
smcginnisOops :)15:34
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asselinalso on the blade you need to enable pci stub: http://paste.openstack.org/show/180612/15:34
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anteayathanks asselin15:36
anteayathat is awesome15:36
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anteayaI'm thinking that smcginnis is looking for something and pasting it15:37
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smcginnisanteaya: No, sorry, nothing good to share right now. :]15:37
anteayasmcginnis: ah okay15:37
anteayawell that was great15:37
asselinthen, on the jenkins slave, before running the job, you inkode passthrough using this magic script: http://paste.openstack.org/show/180613/15:38
smcginnisanteaya: Just thought since we didn't have another topic I would bring it up.15:38
anteayasmcginnis: glad you did15:38
* smcginnis bookmarks all of asselin's links15:38
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smcginnisDefinitely not a trivial thing.15:38
asselinbascially, ssh into the blade to invoke the nova command to get information about yourself like you nova id15:38
* anteaya pictures that file called magic_script on asselin's env15:38
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asselinthen, you have to create this passthrough xml file, upload it to the blade (that's whay you need a special private key authorized)15:40
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asselinalso, I use the private ip's int he same subnet as the public ips, b/c I use the nova instance's private ip to figure out it's host's ip address15:41
asselinthen, for nodepool (yest there's more)15:41
asselinI configure each blade as 2  separate nodepool providers15:41
asselinthe first is for non-FC, and second if for FC.15:41
asselinthe reason is b/c they have different max-servers, especially in the case of FC, b/c that is limited tot he number of HBAs on the blade itself.15:42
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asselinso i you only have 1 hba, then only 1 nova instance on that blade can run the Fc ci test15:42
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asselinif you have 4, then you can have 4 nova instances running FC tests in parallel15:43
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smcginnisasselin: I imagine this took quite a while to sort out!15:43
asselinyes it did15:43
asselinany questions? :)15:44
smcginnisasselin: Thanks for sharing all the pointers. I'm going to have to dig through all this.15:44
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anteayahow many people are in the situation where they need to test fibre channel?15:44
smcginnisasselin: I'm sure I'll have questions later. :)15:44
asselinI need to document it more, but that's the jist of it.15:44
patrickeastyea this is great stuff, i was a bit worried about adding FC support in L but it looks like this is a pretty good solution15:44
smcginnisanteaya: There's at least a handful of vendors.15:44
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anteayasmcginnis: okay thanks15:44
anteayaasselin: you do great work!15:45
smcginnisThere were maybe half a dozen at the cinder midcycle IIRC.15:45
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anteayasmcginnis: okay I do recall fibre channel is definitely a must have for some and a really special case15:45
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patrickeasti think pretty much all the main storage array vendors have (or will have) some sort of fc15:46
* smcginnis feels special :)15:46
anteayapatrickeast: okay good to know15:46
anteayasmcginnis: good, because you are!15:46
anteayayou are all special15:46
* anteaya enjoys a warm fuzzy moment15:46
anteaya:)15:46
asselinmaybe if nova provided a way to inject fc passthrough, then it would be easier15:46
smcginnisasselin: +115:46
anteayathat is an interseting thought15:47
anteayahas anyone approached nova about this in the past?15:47
patrickeastyea i had been looking through https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Pci_passthrough looking to see what is available15:47
* anteaya notes now is a poor time to approach nova about anything new15:47
asselinb/c a lot of what the script does is to get nova details, and manually invoke passthrough on the hyperviser15:47
anteaya#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Pci_passthrough15:47
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* asselin looks15:48
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anteayaso here is my thought15:48
anteayaif noone has approached nova about adding this (I would consider it a feature expansion if not a new feature outright)15:48
anteayaget some notes together about what generic approach works for multiple vendors15:49
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anteayashow up at a nova meeting and give them a heads up that you are working on this with the intent of asking for a design summit session in vancouver15:49
anteayayou aren't asking for review time now just letting them know your intentions so they aren't surprised15:49
asselinnice link....looks very promising!15:49
anteayathen request a summit session to add the feature15:50
anteayayou might get it, you might now but it helps to communicate your intention15:50
anteayaand then work on a spec for L to get the code into nova15:50
anteayaany thoughts?15:50
patrickeastsounds like a good plan to me15:50
anteayahave any of these steps been done already?15:50
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anteayaI'm taking that as no15:52
anteayawe can mull on this for a bit15:52
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anteayabut I do think that is a way forward which has a hope of achieveing the goal15:52
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asselinlooks like the code was written 2 years ago15:53
anteayais this code in nova?15:53
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anteayaor is it its own repo?15:54
asselinhttps://github.com/yjiang5/pci_api.git15:54
anteayait isn't in stackforge15:55
asselin(that's the link from the wiki page)15:55
anteayaso would your code be an addition to this repo, asselin?15:55
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asselinanteaya, no, hopefully this would make my code go away15:55
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anteayaso just use this repo?15:55
asselinanteaya, no...I wouldn't. that code may be merged into nova already, just the wiki is out of date.15:56
anteayaah15:56
anteayaanyone willing to ask nova if that is the case?15:56
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anteayagoing to be tough to find an answer then15:57
asselinI can ask15:58
anteayaasselin: thanks15:58
anteaya:)15:58
anteayaminute and a half left15:58
anteayaanyone have anything else?15:58
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anteayathen I shall wrap this up15:59
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anteayathanks everyone for your attendance and partcipation15:59
anteayasee you next week15:59
anteaya#endmeeting15:59
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sarob#startmeeting training-guides17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 23 17:00:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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sarobroll call17:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_guides'17:00
rluethihey17:00
sayalihello17:00
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sarob\o/17:00
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sarobheloo hello17:01
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sarobdguitarbite?17:02
sarobvigneshvar: hello17:02
vigneshvarsarob: hello :)17:02
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matjazphi sarob, vigneshvar17:03
vigneshvarhi matjazp17:03
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sarobdguitarbite might be sleepy after getting the gate working17:03
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sarob#topic state of the gate17:04
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sarobthanks to matjazp ajaeger dguitarbite for working on gate issues17:04
sarob#link http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/training-guides/content/17:04
sarob#link http://docs.openstack.org/training-guides/content/17:05
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sarobmatjazp any update on getting the new landing page plus slides working?17:05
matjazpsarob: dont know for landing page17:06
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sarobmatjazp: you were working on fixing up some failing build pages though17:07
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matjazpsarob: yes, I fixed broken repo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158140/17:08
matjazpits merged17:08
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rluethimatjazp: thank you.17:08
sarobmatjazp: nice17:09
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sarobso the last bit is trunk/training-guides publishing needs to fixed17:09
sarobright now it looks like it is the icehouse content17:10
sarobor it didnt get removed17:10
sarobafter the last publish17:10
sarobprob the later17:10
matjazpwe don't have enough content17:10
matjazpfor trunk to get published17:11
matjazpwe need a complete set of lides17:11
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matjazpslides17:11
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sarobtrue17:12
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matjazpall of the xml-to-rst bp17:12
matjazpthen can we enable publishing17:12
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sarobjump agenda a bit17:13
sarobsince we are discussing17:13
sarob#topic state of juno content17:13
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sarob#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/training-guides,n,z17:13
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rluethilabs-scripts for Juno are merged.17:14
rluethiwe are ready to branch kilo :-).17:14
sarobrluethi: excellent17:14
sayaliyes :D17:14
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sarobcan you guys take a look at the chapter content17:15
sarobgive a merge17:16
sarobif its ready17:16
sarobthen we can get publishing back on track17:16
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sayalisure17:16
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sarobwe are dangerously close to getting ourselves ready for inclusion into openstack.org/training17:17
saroblanding page17:17
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sarobi dont want to make the argument until our publishing is all ready17:17
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matjazpsarob: but do we know where we will be included?17:18
matjazpsarob: where the link will be?17:18
sarobi am going to make the argument for mid right hand side of the training page17:18
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sarobin the openstack online help panel17:19
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dguitarbitehello17:20
sarobas i work through the ambassador group and my new user group assistants17:20
dguitarbiteapologizes for being late, was busy with a few meetings17:20
sarobdguitarbite: evening17:20
sarobdguitarbite: thx for gate!17:20
dguitarbitemorning/evening guys17:20
sarobdguitarbite: no prob17:20
rluethihi dguitarbite!17:20
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sayalidguitarbite: hello17:20
sarobdguitarbite: you have been doing late night work17:20
dguitarbitesarob, ajager needs the real thanks17:20
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sarobdguitarbite: good enuf17:21
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sarobdguitarbite: beers all around in vancouver if possible17:21
dguitarbitesarob, thanks17:21
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dguitarbite:) always ready for beers17:21
sarobdguitarbite: roger that17:21
rluethiwho called me?17:22
dguitarbitelolz ;)17:22
sarobwell the other roger17:22
sarobroger roger17:22
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sarobso the general idea for the training landing page17:22
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sarobis to get our link into the openstack online help panel17:23
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saroband as we get user groups spun up on using the assoc and dev content17:23
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sarobwe get their sessions into the course pull downs like any other training17:23
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sarobi think it is simple and doesnt step on any commercial toes17:24
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sarobdguitarbite: how can i help with the landing page and trunk publishing fixup?17:25
matjazpsarob: we can get "lost" among other commercial training offers17:25
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dguitarbitesarob, we need to first merge the RST and have the content ready to be published17:25
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sarobdguitarbite: agreed17:26
dguitarbitethen we need some more HTML/CSS juice to pump on openstack.org17:26
dguitarbitewithout the final content it will be difficult to setup the infra or even convience the infra team for the publishing etc.17:26
sarobdguitarbite: we are very close to having all of juno content ready17:26
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sarobdguitarbite: need some reviews and a bit more fix up17:26
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dguitarbitesarob, yes, I will be reviewing this week17:27
sarobdguitarbite: coolo17:27
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sarobdguitarbite: so id like to help if I can with the publishing details like landing page and publish17:28
dguitarbitesarob, yes, now the priority goes for working on the RST17:28
sarobfixup, if I can be of use17:28
dguitarbiteI think the juno labs scripts are mostly merged and stable17:29
sarobwhen we are ready later this week17:29
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dguitarbitesarob, the landing page part sounds good, I am really terrible at HTML/CSS part17:29
sarobdguitarbite: me too17:29
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sarobdguitarbite: i can use bluehost tools to get us started17:30
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sarobdguitarbite: for juno17:30
dguitarbitebluehost?17:30
sarobdguitarbite: then we can lean on reed and others17:30
sarobdguitarbite: my isp17:30
sarobdguitarbite: and hosting provider17:30
sarobdguitarbite: isp says it all17:30
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saroblets see if we can beat the 02mar juno branch by a day or two17:31
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reedsarob, which website do you have in mind?17:31
sarobreed: morn17:31
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sarobreed: we need to create a landing page for the training guides trunk publishing page17:32
dguitarbitesarob, I am not sure if that would work or is a feasible option17:32
dguitarbitewe should try to host the content on openstack.org itselves17:32
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dguitarbitesince we are not going to hog a lot of memory/storage for sure17:32
sarobdguitarbite: you misunderstand17:33
sarobdguitarbite: i only meant i was planning on using their html gen tools17:33
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sarobdguitarbite: not hosting17:33
sarobdguitarbite: i personally use bluehost for hosting17:33
reeddguitarbite, www.openstack.org is not the best place for it, at the moment at least17:33
sarobdguitarbite: for sarob.com17:33
annegentlereed: sarob: in Paris we had talked about a link on the marketplace but still housed on docs.openstack.org17:33
dguitarbitesarob, ok17:33
sarobannegentle: yup17:34
sarobannegentle: once our landing page is ready17:34
reedannegentle, the marketplace has a clear scope focusing on commercial offerings, so that option is not available17:34
sarobannegentle: im going to ask for our link to be added to the training page under openstack online help17:34
reedwe could put it in groups.openstack.org17:34
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reedand a link from www.o.o/community17:35
annegentlereed: got it17:35
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annegentlereed: I had hoped for a "community" sidebox on the marketplace17:35
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reedmaybe even host parts of the guides directly on www.o.o/community17:35
sarobreed: you dont think the community training could have a link in the online help section?17:36
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reedwhere is the online section? :)17:36
reedonline *help*17:36
sarobhttp://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training/17:36
sarobreed: middle right17:37
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sarobreed: right under getting started would be the place17:38
* reed loading the site... taking forever17:38
* sarob tap tap tap17:38
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dbyte_sorry bad network17:38
sarobreed annegentle: lets sideline this to docs so we can finish our training agenda17:39
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annegentlereed: sarob: yes17:39
annegentlereed: sarob: yes to sidelining, needs more discussion17:39
annegentlesarob: cuz I'm kinda "not yes" on additions there :)17:39
sarob#topic path forward for merging upstream training17:39
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reedwww is not loading on my side17:40
sarobreed: stay for this one if you can17:40
matjazpsarob: I had to change some rst files to get them compliant to doc8 checks17:40
rluethi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132395/17:40
sarob#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132395/17:40
rluethibeat you to it :)17:40
* sarob got beat17:40
sarobouch17:40
rluethiso, still needs rebasing, doesn't it?17:41
sarobPatch in Merge Conflict17:41
reedand it needs testing outside of my env :) I think it works for me17:41
rluethiis this upstream university only, or intended for all slides?17:42
matjazpI would like one solution for all content17:42
sarobsooo does this mean this rst will still publish for landslide17:43
sarobcause i thought we were going to push landslide for at least through kilo17:43
sarobthen revisit17:43
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sarobas long as the rst works both ways im all goodness17:44
reedrluethi, it should work for everything17:44
reedsarob, no landslide in my patch17:44
matjazpreed: what's the difference in syntax between hiero an landslide? not much?17:44
reedmatjazp, not much, no17:44
rluethireed: can you rebase it on current master? there are merge conflicts, for instance in tox.ini, that I'm not sure how to resolve.17:44
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sarob#action sarob work with reed annegentle on training guide inclusion into online help section of openstack.org/training page17:45
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reedrluethi, ok17:45
rluethireed: thanks!17:45
reed#action reed to fix merge conflicts in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132395/17:45
sarob#action team review all existing rst patches, we need to merge them this week17:45
dbyte_matjazp, significant enough difference17:45
matjazpdbyte_: like?17:45
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rluethiso, everyone, are we ready to move to sphinx?17:46
dbyte_matjazp, many minor details need to be changed17:46
dbyte_in the RST side17:46
sarob#action branch juno 02 march 201517:46
dbyte_but overall sphinx should be better17:46
rluethiI don't have a strong opinion either way, but I'd rather not have two tools for the same thing in the same repo.17:46
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sarob#action landslide is the publishing tool through kilo, will revisit at the liberty summit17:47
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dbyte_rluethi, +117:47
reedsarob, I finally loaded the marketplace/training page: you'll have to propose that to Marketplace manager (Heidi)17:47
sarobreed: understood17:47
rluethisarob: that's not an action :)17:48
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sarob#undo17:48
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sarob#info landslide is the publishing tool through kilo, will revisit at the liberty summit17:49
sarobthx17:49
rluethiit would be an agreement (#agreed), if we had an agreement.17:49
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sarobrluethi: two meetings ago with dhellman we discussed17:51
sarobrluethi: agreed, or at least i thought we did17:51
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rluethisarob: fair enough :)17:51
matjazpthis is all a moot point.. if differences in rst syntax are small, we can switch easily anytime17:52
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reedI've already changed the slides not to use landslide17:52
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reedat least that's what I thought...17:52
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reedi'll have to sync up with the teachers of upstream training, will let them decide17:53
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sarobreed: is there a difference in the published material?17:54
sarobreed: the result?17:54
reedno, they all suck the same17:54
rluethimatjazp: I sort of agree, but small differences may still trip up contributors, and newbies are likely going to be confused if different rst files are processed by different tools.17:54
sarobreed: i cant see a difference since it is using the same rules17:54
reedthe results are sucky either using landslide or the other thing17:54
matjazprluethi: yes, thats why I said that we can switch to hiero anytime17:54
sarobrluethi: yes we need one way to publish at a time17:55
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matjazpanytime could also mean right after reed merges his hiera patch :)17:55
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rluethiany other parting thoughts?17:56
* dbyte_ oh no now who will end the meeting!17:56
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sarobi only want to get the publishing automation to be consistent and supportable17:57
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sarobwe need to get publishing up and running17:57
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sarobso our customers can access the content17:57
saroband we can find new customers through the user groups17:58
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rluethimeh. They don't pay me enough for me to call them customers.17:58
matjazpI feel like we're running in circles here17:59
sarob#action reed will check on upstream training rst can be published through landslide through kilo release17:59
sarobdguitarbite has the landslide automation ready to go17:59
reedno, please, don't drive me nut with formats17:59
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reedI think it's a waste of time to debate over format17:59
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matjazpreed: agreed18:00
reedwhatever works works18:00
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sarob#action sarob will check on upstream training rst can be published through landslide through kilo release18:00
sarobreed: agreed18:00
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matjazpreed: exactly18:00
sarobright on time18:00
rluethiend meeting.18:00
reed:)18:00
reedthanks18:00
sarobcheers everyone!18:00
dbyte_bye :)18:00
sarob#endmeeting18:00
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sdake#startmeeting kolla20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 23 20:00:48 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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sdake#topic rollcall20:01
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sdakehideyo [\p/___20:01
daneyonhere20:01
jpeelerhi20:01
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sdake#topic agenda20:02
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sdakehttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting20:02
sdakeany additions?20:02
sdakedaneyon you about?20:02
daneyonyes20:02
sdakesweet20:02
sdake#topic H/A in Kolla Containers20:02
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daneyonlooking at the HA spec BP20:03
sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/create-spec-ha20:03
sdakeso that is sort of my crack headed idea for doing HA using multiple containers per node20:03
sdakeI guess we can leave that open for discussion20:03
sdakedo folks have interest in adding this tech to kolla postmilestone #3?20:04
sdakeor extending milestone #3 out to beginning of april to include it20:04
daneyon+1 to add HA port ML320:04
daneyonpost20:04
sdakeok I'll start working on the blueprint now, t hat way it is ready to go when we are done with milestone #320:05
sdake#topic parameterizing containers20:05
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sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/create-spec-params20:05
sdakerather the spec, not hte blueprint20:05
sdakethis is about all the bajiollion key value pairs in openstack20:06
sdakethat we dont' export but shoudl export some20:06
sdakethis is probably post milestone #3 work as well20:06
sdakebut needs to be done for kolla to be usable20:06
sdakeany thoughts?20:06
sdakethe eletronics are eating our brains!!20:07
ccrouchcan we follow what tripleo did already?..20:07
sdakewhat did they do already20:07
daneyonI think the K/V pairs can get out of control, so where do we draw the line?20:07
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sdakedaneyon agree- ccrouch what did tripleo do ?20:07
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ccrouche.g. allow a subset to be easily overrideable with common names, then allow support for specifying any key/value using a standard dotted/namespaced notation20:08
* ccrouch looks for an example20:08
ccrouchkeeping going :-)20:08
sdakesounds difficult to implement in shell20:09
sdakebut possible20:09
sdakethe problem we have is we have some which are mandatory and others which may not be20:09
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sdakedaneyon I think we  will have to tackle custom key/value pairs at some point, but we need to draw a line at some point :)20:09
sdakehow to draw that line - unknown20:09
sdakeperhaps have people describe a use case where the config option is necessary for their use20:10
sdakeand we can start out with ones we know will be valauble20:10
sdakeso the breaking factor here is the overhead of getting someone to describe a use case20:10
sdakethat should dissuade random "I want xyz"20:10
daneyonsdake: maybe we follow a rule that we support the K/V pairs identified in the official openstack install docs?20:10
sdakesupport is a whole nother world of pain :)20:11
sdakeI'm just talking about enabling20:11
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sdakeI think we leave support to "if it works with the default,s then gtfo" :)20:11
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ccrouchhttps://github.com/openstack/tripleo-image-elements/blob/f029d3c27283874d609aa842f794cd75c09e2f4f/elements/nova/os-apply-config/etc/nova/nova.conf is an example of a parameterized nova.conf20:12
sdakeok well enough on that, we can come back to it when milestonen #3 is coming closer to an end20:12
ccrouchwith specific parameters specifiable via heat20:12
sdakeI thought tripleo-image-elements as a repo was going  bye bye?20:12
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ccrouchwhere lines 240 lets you specify a value for any arbitrary nova conf property20:13
daneyonthese files are going to be so painful to maintain20:13
sdakeI prefer maintain crudini files with a bunch of variables20:14
sdakethen a key/value translator20:14
ccrouch(2:12:48 PM) sdake: I thought tripleo-image-elements as a repo was going  bye bye?20:14
ccrouchi have no idea. I'm just using it as an example of where you can set some stuff "more simply" and then for "not normal setting" its possible to provide a value too20:14
ccrouchsdake: its too different schools of thought20:14
sdakegot it20:15
sdakeya I see line 240 - custom config at that point20:15
ccrouch1) generate the full .conf yourself20:15
ccrouch2) tweak the project generated .conf20:15
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ccrouchs/two/too20:15
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sdakeatm we use crudini to tweak the config20:15
sdakewhich I am perfectly happy with tbh :)20:15
daneyonand we have to supply crudini all the non-default K/V pairs20:16
sdakeyup, so that work is already done20:16
ccrouchi think there could be a more automated way to go from a set of K/V pairs to an updated config file20:16
ccrouchbut perhaps that is a premature optimization20:17
daneyonmaybe we can tweak the confg scripts to do a loop for non default crudini settings?20:17
sdakefeed into a crudini loop? :)20:17
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sdakeI like the config scripts as they are20:17
sdakesimple to comprehend20:17
sdakeone thing I would change is I woudl crudini *everything*20:17
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sdakethat way everything in the shell script is what gets deployed20:17
sdakewe may do that already - I'm not sure20:18
daneyonbut crudini only works on ini style files... correct?20:18
sdakethis is a problem with crudini20:18
ccrouchto be honest i dont think this is critical, because people are going to want to come in and reimplement the containers anyway using their preferred config mgmt tool. I think we should just be looking at implementing a reference impl at the moment20:18
sdake+1 to reference implementation20:18
daneyon+1 on ref impl20:19
sdakedoubtful people will reimplement the contaniers, but who knows :)20:19
sdake#topic Continuous Integration functional testing status20:19
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sdakeThere are two cats working on this20:19
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sdakeone guy is Nikolay who is workign on the gate20:19
sdakejpeeler is working on the software the gate will run20:19
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sdakeI haven't had a chance to speak with Nikolay this week, so not sure where he is with his work20:19
sdakejpeeler, you got backlogged behind some other more pressing work right?20:19
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jpeelerfor now yes, but later this week i'll get going on it20:20
sdakenice20:20
sdakelets try to get it going as a complete solution in 1-2 weeks20:20
sdakeI'll talk to nikolay tomrrow20:20
sdake#topic Milestone #3 planning20:20
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sdakeok, this is a big one20:20
sdakeI took that monster spec I wrote, and broke it into a bunch of tasks20:21
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sdake#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla20:21
sdakeeverything that is mielstone #3 is mandatory to implement the original blueprint I specced out20:21
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sdakeatleast essential/highs20:22
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sdakeanyone interested in taking on some blueprints, keeping in mind our deadline is March 19th for finishing20:22
sdakeI feel like I've got a pretty full plate for March 19th20:22
sdakeI have another project, magnum whic h is gunning for march 19th as well20:23
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* sdake puts on the leonadis cape20:23
rhallisey:p20:23
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rhalliseyI'll take the quickstart20:23
daneyonlet me look over them for a min20:23
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sdakeok its assigned20:23
sdakethanks rhallisey20:24
daneyoni can do this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/container-set-database-control20:24
daneyoni can do this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/container-set-api-control20:24
docaedo@rhallisey - while you're working on the quickstart, feel free to ping me for review stuff, I'm about to need a quick-start dev guide anyway :)20:24
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sdakedocaedo welcome to the party!20:25
daneyonI don;t fully understand this bp: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/container-set-service-control20:25
rhalliseydocaedo, sure, I'll give it go later this week20:25
sdakedaneyon that is all the containers required to do service control20:25
sdakelike nova-scheduler20:25
sdakeheat-engine20:25
sdakeglance-registry20:25
sdakestuff like that20:25
daneyonsdake: thx.20:26
sdakeI think the containers are done20:26
sdakewhat is needed is making them conform to fig20:26
sdakeand tidying them up a bit20:26
sdakeanything that says" container set" in front of it is really about integration with fig more then dealing with writing containers20:26
daneyonsdake: i should be able to handle that bp too20:26
sdakedaneyon can yo uassign yourself?20:27
daneyonlet me try20:27
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ccrouchi can try to help out with container-set-api-control20:27
daneyonsdake: done20:27
sdakejpeeler rhallisey anything else you can help on?20:28
sdakeccrouch daneyon is yoru man, or he could hand it off entirely if you want to tackle it20:28
jpeelerdon't want to overcommit20:28
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sdakejpeeler why overcommitting and imploding is so much fun ;-)20:28
ccrouchdoh!20:28
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rhalliseysdake, we'll see it depends on if I can clear stuff out in the backlog20:28
sdakeok thanks jpeeler, feel free to ping me offline if you find some time20:29
sdakesounds good rhallisey20:29
ccrouchi refreshed too slowly :-) and missed it was already assigned to daneyon20:29
rhalliseyselinux can randomly explode so you never know20:29
sdakeso deadline, March 19th20:29
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sdakewe will slip to finish teh feature set up until April 10th or so20:29
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sdakebut lets try to get er done by march :)20:29
sdakeso we can link up with the rest of openstack release schedule20:30
sdake#topic open discussion20:30
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sdakered makes a really bad color for a unicorn20:30
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sdakeany open discussion or shall I finish themeeting?20:31
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sdakeok thanks for comingf olks20:31
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daneyonthx!20:31
sdakeremember if you ahve agenda items to add to the meeting, please feel free to do so20:31
sdake#endmeetingn20:31
rhalliseythanks :)20:31
sdake#endmeeting20:31
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watanabe_isaoIs today's meeting pass again?21:06
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