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crinklemorning14:00
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spredzyhello14:03
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sbadiahi o/14:04
dvorakmorning14:04
crinkleohai everyone14:04
crinkle#startmeeting puppet-openstack14:05
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 16 14:05:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is crinkle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:05
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crinkle#topic Review last week's action items14:05
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crinklesbadia: what's the status on the rspec-puppet tests?14:05
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sbadiafor master branch and juno all is pin on 1.0.114:06
sbadiaand for the upgrade to 2.x it's still a work in progress14:06
sbadiaon all modules14:07
sbadiaI ran out of time last week14:07
crinkleI was working on doing the same for the puppetlabs modules and ran into this issue with it https://github.com/rodjek/rspec-puppet/pull/249#issuecomment-7057524214:07
sbadiabut it should be better this week14:07
crinklewhere basically modern beaker-rspec is incompatible with rspec-puppet 2.014:07
crinklebut that might not be an issue for us as long as we're okay with using an older version of beaker-rspec for now14:08
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sbadiaI've not played with puppet-nova for the moment14:08
sbadiabut ack for the issue!14:08
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sbadia(we only use for the moment beaker in puppet-nova)14:09
crinklenibalizer is working on getting it into the rest of them14:09
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sbadiaoh nice!14:09
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sbadiaabout rspec-puppet 2.x I've for the moment only pushed on ceilo14:10
sbadiahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/155704/14:10
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sbadianothing else for me :)14:11
sbadia#link https://github.com/rodjek/rspec-puppet/pull/249#issuecomment-7057524214:11
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sbadia#action sbadia continue the work on rspec-puppet 2.x support14:12
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sbadiathx crinkle for the pointer14:12
crinkleokay, next action item was adding future parser tests to jenkins14:12
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crinklenibalizer added a job to do syntax checking with the future parser https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154067/14:13
sbadiafor the others actions, nibalizer created the job14:13
crinklewe still need jobs to do future parser checking with rspec when that's ready14:13
crinkleand possibly the lint checks that dvorak suggested14:13
sbadiayes +114:13
dvorakthe lint checks for merged for glance14:13
dvorakI'll try to work on getting the other modules done in idle time14:14
crinkledon't we still need a job to run them? or does it just run on the regular lint check?14:14
dvorakthe latter14:14
crinkleokay cool14:14
dvorakit's really just a Gemfile change to get us on a newer puppet-lint + some extra puppet-lint modules + fixups so the tests pass14:15
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sbadiayep, nothing hard, but a bit time consuming14:15
crinklenext action item was to review minor releases in a few weeks, but we're not there yet14:15
crinklenext was dvorak emailing the mailing list about different package support14:16
crinklei didn't see a whole lot of discussion on that14:16
dvorakI did that, but didn't get much response.  I've been working on putting together a proof of concept implementation of virtualenv support for the designate module and that's coming along well14:17
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crinklecool14:17
dvorakI think that if people agree with the idea, most of the new code to support it could live in openstacklib14:17
crinklelooking forward to seeing it14:18
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dvorakThe biggest changes really are more around the fact that you have to handle config files and startup scripts more explicitly, instead of assuming they come from upstream14:18
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dvorakI hope to have something up for review this week14:18
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sbadiacool :)14:19
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crinklenext was spredzy adding gerrit support to modulesync14:19
crinklewe've made a lot of progress there, should be ready to merge soon14:20
spredzycrinkle, I stumbled across a blocker this morning14:20
sbadiathe pull of changeset is a bit harder than expected, but yep14:20
sbadiaah sorry, spredzy is here :)14:21
spredzywill explain it on #puppet-openstack after the meeting14:21
crinkleokay14:21
crinkle#topic open discussion14:21
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crinkleanything else to bring up?14:21
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crinklegoing once14:22
sbadiahum, nothing in mind right now :-s14:22
spredzynothing on my side either atm14:23
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crinkle#endmeeting14:23
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openstackMeeting ended Mon Feb 16 14:23:25 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)14:23
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sbadiathanks!14:23
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crinklethanks guys14:23
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 16 15:00:17 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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anteayasay hello if you are here for the third party meeting15:00
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anteayahello wznoinsk15:09
anteayanice to see you15:09
anteayahow are things going for you this week?15:10
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wznoinskhi anteaya, good to see you too, I'm back online after a few days off sick, I'm getting to my NFV CI shortly15:13
anteayagood to hear you are feeling better15:14
anteayasorry to hear you were feeling ill15:14
wznoinskI think there was a bit of confusion about our NFV CI as a) it was evolving, b) new people joined15:14
anteayayes15:14
wznoinskI do apologize for that15:14
anteayasounds like on both sides15:14
anteayano problem, you can only convey what you know15:14
anteayaand I think part of this exercise helped folks to increase what it is you know15:14
anteayaso that is a net benefit for all15:15
anteayaanything you wanted to talk about today?15:15
anteayayou did see that gerrit will be changing ip addresses on March 21, yeah?15:16
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wznoinskthat's true, yes I saw that15:16
anteayagreat15:16
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anteayaso you are aiming to test nova repos correct?15:16
anteayaare you expecting to test any other project repos?15:17
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wznoinskwe're testing neutron project with our networking CI already, that's to test our dpdk-ovs as part of NFV CI15:17
wznoinskI hit issues with docker last week but it should be back to commenting today15:18
anteayaokay so both neutron and nova repos15:18
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anteayayou are testing docker?15:18
wznoinskthe other part (for nova) is going to test only on nova and apart from standard tempest nova tests we're going to have custom on the new features (cpu pinning, huge pages etc.)15:18
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wznoinskI'm using docker as the management tool to deploy containers for jenkins builds/slaves, I'm not using docker inside the openstack15:19
anteayaoh15:19
anteayaI still have no idea what huge pages are15:19
wznoinskthe problem with using VMs for CI systems is that the nwe and hot hardware/kernel features are not emulated inside the VMs so no way to test them15:20
wznoinskkernel features relying on hardware*15:21
anteayaokay15:21
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wznoinskwith containers you can have a full access to the host's hardware and it's capabilities15:22
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anteayaoh15:23
anteayaI can understand that then15:23
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anteayawhat are huge pages15:23
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wznoinskwith regards to hugepages it's giving the same amount memory to an application/vm/container as it requested by a memory page (a unit of memory) is larger, hence memory is less fragmented and less memory page lookups is needed during processing15:24
wznoinsks/by/but15:24
anteayainteresting15:25
anteayaagain that would need access to hardware yes?15:25
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anteayaI don't see vms capable of that15:25
wznoinskif an application need 500MB of memory, instead of 125000 memory pages of size 4k (default for most OSes) an os/programmer/sysadmin can assign huge pages of 2MB so it will allocated only 250 (2MB x 250 = 500MB)15:26
wznoinskit's access to memory, kernels fully support hugepages already15:27
wznoinskgrep -i huge /proc/meminfo15:27
anteayacool15:27
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wznoinskit's quite an interesteing piece from the series how to max out the performance of your apps (interest of NFV)15:29
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kashyapanteaya, Randomly chiming in here - you can look up info on HugePages here: https://wiki.debian.org/Hugepages15:30
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anteayawznoinsk: yes it does sound interesting15:30
anteayakashyap: thank you15:30
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kashyapA simple test with libvirt (which is used by Nova under the hood) and huge pages - https://kashyapc.fedorapeople.org/virt/test-hugepages-with-libvirt.txt15:30
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anteayaI guess the name large pages is also used15:32
kashyapYes15:34
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anteayacool15:34
anteayathanks for letting me know15:34
anteayaI appreciate it15:34
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anteaya:)15:34
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patrickeast_hello, sry i’m a bit late… is the third-party meeting still going on?15:36
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anteayahello patrickeast_15:37
anteayayes15:37
patrickeast_anteaya: hey15:37
anteayawe were talking about gerrit's ip change coming up on March 21, you saw that yeah?15:37
anteayaand also we were talking about huge pages15:37
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anteayawhich I didn't know anything about and which wznoinsk and kashyap were helping me to understand15:37
patrickeast_yep, hopefully the ip change shouldn’t be an issue for me… our firewall is pretty friendly15:38
anteayait improves performance through configuring memory allocation15:38
anteayadid I get that right?15:38
kashyapI accidentally noticed the message and randomly chimed in :-)15:38
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anteayapatrickeast_: yay for friendly firewalls15:38
anteayakashyap: I'm glad you did, thank you15:38
anteayapatrickeast_: anything new for you this week?15:38
patrickeast_nah, not really15:38
patrickeast_i got burned on something new but fixed it15:39
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patrickeast_turns out nodepool image caching doesn’t work if your openstack provider network on the template instance has a 10.0.0.0/24 subnet15:39
wznoinskanteaya: yes, spot on15:39
anteayagood to know15:39
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anteayawznoinsk: yay!15:39
patrickeast_had to shut everything down and move it to a different one15:39
anteayathanks to good teaching15:39
anteayapatrickeast_: what did you pick?15:40
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patrickeast_10.0.10.0/2415:40
patrickeast_anything should work except for 10.0.0.015:40
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patrickeast_more info here https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/141825015:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1418250 in devstack "image_list fails when host_ip falls in FIXED_RANGE" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Patrick East (patrick-east)15:41
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anteaya#info for nodepool image caching using anything but 10.0.0.0 subnet on your openstack provider network template instance15:42
anteayapatrickeast_: did I get that right?15:42
patrickeast_yea15:43
anteayagreat15:43
anteayathanks for sharing that15:43
patrickeast_maybe provider network for nodepool template instance would make it more clear, but i think folks setting this up will know what that means15:43
anteaya#info better wording: provider network for nodepool template instance15:44
anteayapatrickeast_: better?15:44
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patrickeast_perfect15:44
anteayathanks15:44
anteaya:)15:44
anteayaanything anyone else wants to talk about today?15:44
patrickeast_nothin more from me15:45
anteayacool15:46
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anteayathe only other thing I can think of is making sure you are aware of asselin's spec patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139745/15:48
anteayathis is the follow up work that the puppet module split out was a foundation for15:48
anteayadon't know if you know about it15:49
anteayabut it might be an idea to take a look15:49
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patrickeast_anteaya: thanks for the link, i know this has been in the works but i keep forgetting to actually go review the spec15:51
anteayago review the spec15:51
anteayaand actually asselin should add it to an upcoming infra meeting agenda15:51
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anteayaso it gets on the priority list if there is a spot for it15:51
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anteayaand we are coming up to the end of our time15:57
anteayaso I'll close it off here15:58
anteayathanks everyone, nice to talk to you today15:58
anteayasee you next week15:58
anteaya#endmeeting15:58
patrickeast_thanks15:58
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NikolayM#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 16 16:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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NikolayMhi everyone!16:00
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NikolayManyone else here?16:01
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dziminehi.16:01
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NikolayMhi dzimine16:02
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akuznetsovahey16:02
NikolayMok, let's start16:02
akuznetsovaRenat is absent today16:02
NikolayMyes16:03
NikolayM#topic Review Action Items16:03
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NikolayM1. rakhmerov, dzimine: capture everything in blueprints16:03
dziminenot yet done on my site :(16:03
dziminewill complete this week.16:04
NikolayMok16:04
NikolayMI just leave new AI :)16:04
NikolayM#action rakhmerov, dzimine: capture everything in blueprints16:04
NikolayM2. rakhmerov, dzimine: review existing bugs and assign them to the scope16:04
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NikolayMIt seems it's done16:05
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NikolayM3. rakhmerov: talk to solum folks (Roshan) and find out what version of Mistral they depend on16:05
NikolayMooh, I forgot to ask Renat about it16:05
dziminehe's not around, I gather?16:06
akuznetsovaRenat didn't talk about it on our sync-ups16:06
NikolayM#action rakhmerov: talk to solum folks (Roshan) and find out what version of Mistral they depend on16:06
NikolayMyes, we didn't hear from him about it16:06
akuznetsovaprobably he forgot about it16:06
NikolayM4. all: think if we need to keep v1 code base16:07
NikolayMI guess StackStorm guys ready to drop v116:07
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NikolayMAnd since we don't know how about Solum, leave this action item on next meeting.16:08
NikolayM#action all: think if we need to keep v1 code base16:08
NikolayM#topic Current status16:09
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NikolayMlet's tell about our progress16:10
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NikolayMmy status:16:10
NikolayMworked on YAQL expressions and its escaping16:10
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akuznetsovaI am working on OpenStack actions simple integration tests16:11
NikolayMand did some research about keystone/trusts, how we can do heat/mistral integration. So, created new thread in ML: "How trusts should work by design?"16:11
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NikolayMthe next topic is kilo-3 planning16:15
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NikolayM#topic Kilo-3 planning16:15
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NikolayMWe need to redesign our engine16:16
NikolayMit is a big work and Renat already started on it16:17
dziminesorry I had to step out.16:17
dzimineback now.16:17
NikolayMWe think about how to share this work between us16:18
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dziminethe engine redesign? yes.16:18
NikolayMyes16:18
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NikolayMAnd it seems it will take a lot of time to do it16:18
akuznetsovaNikolayM, we want to add 'action handler', am I correct ?16:19
NikolayMso, we can't do some too serious things to kilo-316:19
NikolayMno, AFAIU we want to add something like on_action_result16:20
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dzimineOn my side: we got strong negative feedback from the field on our changes to YAQL syntax. The crux of the problem is quoting expressions the ansible way like "{1+1}" is confusing, but not quoting it is impossible as {} are core YAQL syntax symbols (dictionary).16:21
NikolayMso, we will add ActionExecution model and Task will be compound thing16:21
NikolayMdzimine, yes16:21
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NikolayMlet's discuss this16:21
akuznetsovadzimine, we are thinking about other syntax16:21
dzimineI spoke to Renat on this and we realized that we can't continue using YAML syntax for expressions no matter what others (salt, ansible) do.16:22
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NikolayMI know we want to change YAQL syntax16:22
dzimineThe proposal on the table now is to change {1+1} to <% 1 + 1 %> and it solves a bunch of problems.16:22
NikolayMAnd I heard you suggested the syntax like <% %>16:22
dzimineI am preparing email to the thread.16:22
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akuznetsovadzimine, why did you choose such syntax ?16:23
dzimineThe reason for this particular syntax is our target user's familiarity: many of them do Puppet and Chef and it's common Ruby pattern one sees in Puppet and Chef.16:23
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NikolayM<% %> construction look not good, what about discussion on other syntax?16:24
dziminethe critera for the choice is "plays well in YAML" and "target users are familiar / seen that before "16:24
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akuznetsovaas for me it looks familiar with xml/html16:24
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dzimineold JSP also used this. and Ruby.16:25
NikolayM2 symbols is cool but percent sign is too big for perception16:25
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dziminetoo big for perception - what do you mean?16:26
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NikolayMpercent sign is just too big16:26
NikolayMand overall structure become x2 bigger16:26
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dziminevisually?16:27
akuznetsovaI like something like <yaql 1 + 1 >, I know that it is too big, but as for me it is clear for undestanding16:27
NikolayMdzimine, yes16:27
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dziminewe considered HEAT/TOSCA approach for this using functions: similar to what akuznetsova mentioned ^^16:28
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dziminebut it seem to get messy when doing complex yaql in combinations with string building and other parameters.16:29
NikolayMlooks better than with % but too long16:29
dziminethe two symbols solve the problem of escaping.16:29
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dzimineHere is the thing: when you or I look at the problems, we look at them differently when the guys whom we want to use this thing.16:30
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dzimineSo it's interesting to listen field folks on what they like/not like.16:31
dzimineThat's why most of Mirantis products are pretty good: they grew out of the field use.16:31
dzimineMistral - not yet, we just began deploying it to customers.16:31
dzimineAnd their complains are pretty .... unexpected.16:31
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dzimineI was arguing for Ansible syntax for over an hour, wanted to keep "{1+1}"16:32
dziminebut they explained to me why it was confusing to them, on examples.16:33
NikolayMI also agree we don't use {} due to YAML constraints16:33
dziminethe way to come to agreement is to arrive at criteria, and rank the criteria.16:33
dzimineThat's why I think criteria #1 is "YAML friendly".16:33
dzimine#2 is "familiarity".16:33
NikolayMyes16:34
dzimineand there's more in this "familiarity": a number of engines already use {{ or <% so they figured that it's safe to parse / escape / etc.16:34
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NikolayMWe need to think about it carefully16:35
dzimineit's ok if we invent somethign new, but say if we only do <  and > than we need to begin worrying about the other meanings of the symbols, escaping the greater than and less than signs.16:35
dzimineBut that the guys still find it confusing: say "I don't know the meaning of < > when I see them in a large expression.16:36
dzimineWe discussed just < and > but all these questions came up.16:36
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dzimineBy now I think <% is a good syntax: not visually as nice as NikolayM pointed out but quite distinct and once we get used to it will be ok.16:37
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dziminedo bring alternatives but please do find something familiar.16:38
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dzimineAnd BTW we need this change ASAP: our recent changes with turning YAQL with "{1+1}" are breaking existing workflows.16:39
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dzimineso we don't want to break once, than again.16:39
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NikolayMok16:40
NikolayMdzimine, let's take a meeting with Renat and discuss all variants16:40
dzimineok.16:40
dzimineI'll start a thread on openstack-dev, too.16:41
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NikolayMok, I also will take part in16:41
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dzimineanything else to discuss?16:42
akuznetsovawe can do <? ..?> like php injection)16:42
dzimineyes we can I think.16:42
dziminebut again, when you look at your target users, assume they do php?16:42
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akuznetsovano16:44
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NikolayMwell, if we have no more to discuss, let's wrap up16:46
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NikolayMwe'll discuss our new YAQL syntax in ML and (I think) in skype/hangouts with Renat16:46
dzimineok.16:46
dziminethanks all! Till than!16:47
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NikolayMbye dzimine!16:47
akuznetsovabye all16:47
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NikolayM#endmeeting16:47
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vigneshvarhi17:00
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sarobheloo17:00
sarob#startmeeting training-guides17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 16 17:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_guides'17:00
sarobroll call17:00
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sarobo/17:01
rluethiI am here17:01
vigneshvarme too17:01
sarob\o/17:01
rluethismall crowd, huh.17:01
rluethisayali and matjaz won't be here today.17:01
sarobholiday in US, but look at me working away ;)17:02
sarobagenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides#Weekly_training-guides_Meeting17:02
dguitarbitehello17:02
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rluethihey17:02
vigneshvarhi17:02
sarobevening17:03
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sarobso from last weeks meeting #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-02-09-17.00.html17:03
sarobi needed to fix some series up17:03
sarobthats done17:04
sarobhttps://launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides17:04
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sarobi removed dead milestones17:04
rluethiwell done.17:05
sarobasssigned most of the bugs to the icehouse-rc2 milestone17:05
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sarobwe are currently on icehouse-rc217:05
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vigneshvari was down with fever , so have not completed my work on AV17:05
sarobthis should allow us to move forward to juno-rc117:05
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sarobvigneshavar: not a problem17:05
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dguitarbitevigneshvar: AV team lead is absent today ;)17:06
vigneshvar:P17:06
sarob#topic state of training guides landing page17:06
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sarobremember that annegentle talked to us about our landing page becoming one of the training entries17:07
rluethiwe used to have better visibility. This should definitely get better in the future. The question is how bad it is to have low visibility now.17:07
sarobhere #link http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training17:08
dguitarbiteI guess, really bad17:08
rluethisarob, yeah, but that hasn't happened yet, has it?17:08
sarobrluethi: no17:08
dguitarbitesarob: please press this issue and get a section for free community training17:08
dguitarbiteup there asap17:08
sarobso my preference is for online community training button17:09
sarobmid right side of the page17:09
sarobunder online openstack help section17:09
dguitarbitesarob: may be a bit bigger section?17:10
dguitarbiteif that is possible17:10
dguitarbiteotherwise I agree with you17:10
sarobbutton text = community training17:10
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sarobi will ask17:11
sarobit makes sense17:11
dguitarbitethanks :)17:11
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dguitarbitewe could notify hackathons and free training like upstream training from there17:11
dguitarbiteif possible17:11
dguitarbiteor on the training landing page17:11
dguitarbiteas required17:11
sarobdguitarbite: so feedback thingy as well as landing page redirect?17:12
dguitarbitesarob: I am not sure, if just the button would suffice if we have our own landing page there17:13
dguitarbitethen we can have feedback etc. on the landing page itself17:13
sarobdguitarbite: if we get organized with the user groups enough, then i would put community training directly into the course list17:14
sarobdguitarbite: inline with the rest of the commercial training17:14
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sarobdguitarbite: no reason why we couldnt do both17:14
sarobdguitarbite: start with just the landing page redirect button17:14
sarobdguitarbite: and then as we set new user group training sessions17:15
sarobdguitarbite: put them inline with the rest of the training couses17:15
sarobwhat do you all think?17:15
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dguitarbitesarob: +117:16
rluethifor me, the number 1 priority is cleaning up our content. then guide people there.17:16
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vigneshvarsarob: +117:17
sarobrluethi: totally agree17:17
dguitarbiterluethi: I agree with you too, but I want to also make a note of the overhead (time required) for such actions17:17
dguitarbiteso, I am with sarob on this to prepare before hand17:17
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* rluethi nods17:17
sarobrluethi: we need our first batch of juno slides to be published before the button can go live17:18
rluethisarob, yes17:18
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sarob#action sarob to work with foundation on adding landing page button #link http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training in the online help section17:20
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sarob#action sarob will add new user group training sessions to #link http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training alongside the commerical training17:21
sarobsoooo17:22
sarob#topic current patches in review17:22
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sarobmajazp has starting picking up the quiz patches17:23
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dguitarbitefrom my side this one is really essential https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153609/17:24
sarobch1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142259/17:24
sarobch1 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142259/17:25
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sarobch3 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141236/17:25
sarobewww, messy17:25
sarobch5 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/154239/17:25
sarobch7 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142344/17:26
rluethidguitarbite: It would have been nice to have some context along with the patch. I didn't know whether this patch is ready for merging.17:26
saroband ch9 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142350/17:26
dguitarbitecontext in the sense?17:26
sarobdguitarbite: context?17:27
rluethisarob: I thought if you want to have a link in the summary, the link cmd has to be at the beginning of the line.17:27
rluethidguitarbite: The patch says "temporarily disabled", and I wonder if/when if will be re-enabled.17:28
sarobrluethi: i dont think so17:28
rluethisarob: okay. must be brain misfiring.17:28
dguitarbiterluethi: does the new commit message make it clear?17:28
sarobrluethi: which patch says temp disabled?17:28
rluethisarob, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153609/2/tox.ini,cm17:29
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sarobrluethi: you might be right on the link thing, ill double check after the meeting17:29
dguitarbiterluethi: it is currently disabled (till we get the rst based tool chain in)17:30
rluethidguitarbite: thank you! exactly what the doctor ordered.17:30
sarobrluethi: oh, different subject17:30
dguitarbite:) I am just a compounder ;)17:30
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sarobany reason not to merge the slides 1, 3, 5, 7, 9?17:31
dguitarbiteand for 2, 4, 6, 7, 10?17:32
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sarobdguitarbite: those are quizzes17:32
sarobdguitarbite: matjazp and i are working on those with his new format17:32
dguitarbiteok17:33
dguitarbitesarob: I need to take a look at the patches again17:33
sarobdguitarbite: okey dokey17:33
dguitarbiteare you linking the required manuals links in the slides17:33
dguitarbiteterribly sorry caught up with lot of work17:33
sarobdguitarbite: which manuals links are those?17:34
sarobdguitarbite: np bro, we all have day jobs17:34
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dguitarbiteI meant to link the revelent sections from other books in openstack manuals from inside the slide17:35
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dguitarbitesomethign like for more information on (lets say neutron) follow xyz link17:35
sarobdguitarbite: sounds like a good idea17:35
sarobdguitarbite: can we save that for the kilo release?17:35
sarobid like to just release/branch the straightforward slides within a week or so17:37
sarobas juno-rc117:37
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dguitarbitesarob: yes, but I suggest adding a comment in the slides, I can voluenteer to add the links17:37
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dguitarbiteduring the review process17:37
sarobthen we can fix up the slides and get all caught up for kilo release on schedule17:37
dguitarbitesarob: yes, I agree17:38
sarobdguitarbite: fine by me17:38
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dguitarbitesarob: for making it to the schedule, can we stick to Associate and Operator slides? or is only Associate Slide for Juno and then Operators for Kilo?17:38
sarobdguitarbite: makes sense to me17:39
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sarobhow about setting a target juno-rc1 branch date17:39
sarob02 march 201517:40
sarobsounds good to me17:40
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sarobunless y'all want to target sooner17:40
dguitarbite02 March is good :)17:40
rluethilab-scripts for juno should be merged by then.17:40
sarobrluethi: agreed17:41
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sarobtwo weeks then17:41
sarobyesss?17:41
dguitarbitesarob: sounds good to me17:41
dguitarbitewe can also use that date for Icehouse RC217:42
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dguitarbiteand then use Kilo release for Juno RC2 and deprecate Icehouse17:42
sarobdguitarbite: thats alot of bugs for two weeks17:42
sarob#link https://launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+milestone/icehouse-rc217:42
sarob52 bugs17:42
dguitarbitesarob: ok, high priority bugs only for RC217:43
dguitarbitethen we can have other bugs for RC3 and then stop the support17:43
sarobkilo-3 targeted as 19 mar17:43
sarobi think we could still meet that too17:43
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dguitarbiteok, 19th March then17:44
dguitarbitethe infra team will be raising their Eyebros on us ;)17:44
sarobkilo-2 i will release as soon as juno branches17:44
sarobto keep launchpad cleaned up17:45
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dguitarbitesarob: kilo-2??17:45
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sarobthe bugs, blueprints are assigned to milestones17:45
sarobin launchpad17:45
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sarobwe have been technically working on kilo items while icehouse code is out17:46
saroba bit messy17:46
sarobwhen we branch juno17:46
saroblaunchpad and github will be in synch17:46
dguitarbiteor bereaucratically17:47
sarobjust like a real grown up project17:47
sarobdguitarbite: what you said17:47
sarobits very confusing to people outside of the project what is going on17:47
dguitarbitesarob: I agree17:47
sarobwe can roll into vancouver all organized like17:48
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sarobso we'all need to review some patches in the queue17:49
sarobso we can branch juno17:49
sarob#topic branching, new publishing17:50
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sarobdguitarbite: so whats the process for branching?17:50
sarobdguitarbite: i didnt follow it closely enough17:51
dguitarbiteonce the basic set of RST are in Ill push the RST to HTML/PDF tools17:51
dguitarbitefor keeping the sanity, I do not want to lock the repo17:51
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sarobhey sayali17:52
sayalihello17:52
rluethihi, sayali17:52
vigneshvarhiii17:52
dguitarbitehi sayali17:52
sarobdguitarbite: why not push the new rst landslide publishing now?17:52
sayalisorry about the extreme delay!17:52
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sarobdguitarbite: the landing page needs to be created anyway17:53
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sarobdguitarbite: id want to add that to the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153609/17:53
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dguitarbitesarob: I am horrible UI/UX dev17:54
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dguitarbiteI dont have the time to learn HTML/CSS stuff17:54
sarobi can push it17:54
dguitarbitesarob: that would be great17:54
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sarobdguitarbite: first pass just needs to be an index17:54
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dguitarbitesarob: ok17:54
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sarobcheck out my comment #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/153609/17:55
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dguitarbitesarob: I see what you mean, but it will be out of scope of one patch\17:56
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sarobdguitarbite: ah as you need infra patch as well?17:56
dguitarbitethis patch will just disable the XML publishing content, may be part of multi series patches17:56
dguitarbitesarob: yes17:56
sarobdguitarbite: we need that asap right?17:56
dguitarbitebut this patch is necessary because we are triggering XML publishing jobs on upstream zuul/jenkins workflow for no reason17:57
dguitarbitelets save some community juice17:57
sarobdguitarbite: can you just revive your rst landslide patch from before?17:57
dguitarbitesarob: I plan to do that17:57
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sarobokay17:58
sarob#action dguitarbite push infra rst landslide publishing patch17:58
sarob#action branch juno target 02 march 201517:59
sarobim all done17:59
vigneshvar1 more min left17:59
saroblast words?17:59
dguitarbite#action icehouse RC1 target 02 march 201517:59
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dguitarbite#action icehosue RC2 target 17th March 201517:59
rluethihappy president's day?17:59
sarobdguitarbite: yup17:59
dguitarbitehappy green day18:00
sarobrluethi: thx18:00
rluethilater, guys18:00
sarobtime has been spent18:00
dguitarbitebye18:00
sarobuntil next week18:00
sarob#endmeeting18:00
sayalibye!18:00
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sdake#startmeeting kolla20:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Feb 16 20:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'20:00
sdake#topic rollcall20:00
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* jpeeler is here20:00
sdake\o/ containerize all the things!!20:00
britthousero/20:00
sdakehey jpeeler20:00
sdakehey britt20:00
scollierhey sdake, i'll be lurking20:00
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sdakehey :)20:01
sdakedaneyon around?20:01
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daneyonhere20:01
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sdake#topic agenda20:01
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sdake#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting20:02
sdakeanyone have anything to add to our fabulous agena? :)20:02
sdake#topic new technical direction20:02
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sdakeI think everyone here has had a read through the new technical direction20:03
sdakeI sent an announcement updaet to the mailing list htis morning20:03
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sdakein there, I pointed out we have drawn a line in the sand regarding what we will and wont be tackling20:03
sdakebut that was more my thinking, we didn't really agree to that as a group20:03
sdakedoes anyone have any objection to the mailing list email?20:03
daneyoni reviewed it and i thought it was on point20:04
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sdakejpeeler any thoughts?20:04
sdakeour other core rhallisey is on pto this week20:04
sdakeyay for vacations20:04
jpeeleryeah there were no surprises, all sounded good20:05
sdakecool20:05
sdake#topic continuous integration20:05
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sdakeI've got some really good news on this point20:05
sdakeI found a person with project-config magic powers20:05
sdakehe will be adding a functional test gate for kolla20:06
daneyonyay!!!20:06
sdakethe way it works is the gate will be running some script which *WE* write20:06
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sdakeI'd like to have some discussion about how we go about doing that20:06
sdakefirst off, I'd like to tackle somethign simple, like functional testing of rabbitmq20:07
sdake(the rabbitmq container)20:07
sdakewe need to20:07
sdake1) start the container20:07
sdake2) run test cases on the container20:07
sdakewe could do this in a shell script20:07
sdakeor using testr+python20:07
sdakeany preferences?20:07
daneyonso, make sure the rabbit svc is running, listening on the specified port and can run a rabbutmqctl status command?20:08
sdakethat would be one test20:08
sdakewhat we do first will lay the gorundwork for all the test cases that come later20:09
sdakeso ideally we want something that can scale into hundreds of test cases20:09
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sdakeI think shell gives us the most control20:09
sdakeand python gives us the most scale20:09
daneyonshould we actually test sending/receiving a real OS message over the rabbit MQ bus?20:09
sdakeyes I think send/reciee tests are good20:10
jpeelerwhy not?20:10
jpeeleryeah the more we test the better20:10
jpeeleri think we should make an action item to look into it, especially if we don't have to use testr20:10
sdakemy question is should we use a test framework or roll our own20:10
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sdakecan testr start our containers for us?20:11
sdakeand run third party binaries?20:11
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clarkbyes20:11
sdakeI assume so but dont knwo for sure20:11
clarkbit does remote testing20:11
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sdakeclarkb cool I'll hit you up after the meeting - perhaps you can provide me an eample ;)20:12
clarkbso know how to trigger things other than subunit20:12
* sdake needs to find a unit test magic powers person20:13
sdakejpeeler daneyon can you state your preferences - roll our own or use a framework?20:13
jpeelerwell i bet there's no reason to roll our own - looking at that right now20:14
daneyonI'd defer to you and jpeeler.20:14
clarkbsdake https://testrepository.readthedocs.org/en/latest/MANUAL.html#remote-or-isolated-test-environments20:14
daneyonI don;t have enough background in testing.20:14
sdakeclarkb cool thanks20:14
jpeelermaybe dox could be good, but that's based off 3 minutes on google20:14
sdakejpeeler any chance you can take on writing our first test case?20:14
daneyonAt a high level, if we can move faster using testr and it can start containers and run 3rd party bins, I'd lean in that direction20:15
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sdakeme as wel ldaneyon20:15
sdakewriting the first test case will be the hardest20:15
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sdakeand jpeeler wrote teh first test case for heat ;)20:15
sdakeso jpeeler is the only person I know with magic powers wrt unit testing :)20:15
daneyonis there a ref test case that is a good starting point to review?20:15
jpeeleri did... but heat testing evolved a bit from that20:16
sdakeif we had 1 to start with, more would be easy20:16
sdakejpeeler do you have 3 or 4 hours to look into making our first unit test case this week?  If not, I'll tackle it20:17
jpeelersdake: i can take it on. and i'll try to not deviate from openstack conventions20:17
sdake#action jpeeler to be superman and write our first functional test case to launch a rabbitmq container and run rabbitmqctl against it20:17
daneyondoes tempest fit into this?20:17
sdakethanks jpeeler ;)20:17
sdakedaneyon one step at a time :)20:18
sdakewe can't run tempest until we have more stuff runnign I think20:18
* jpeeler cringes at the word20:18
sdakeI want to get teh gate running a gainst the rabbitmq container20:18
sdakethen we are set20:18
sdakeany other discussion on ci topic?20:18
daneyonhas the changes been implemented to the rabbitmq container to get it running w/o k8s?20:19
sdakelikely not - i'l do that today20:19
daneyonIf not, I can update the image20:19
sdakeif you want to do that, wfm20:19
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daneyonlet me do it20:19
sdakesounds good20:19
sdake#action daneyon to make rabbitmq container to run without k8s20:19
sdake#topic changing meeting time for APAC/EMEA participation20:20
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daneyonhas a bp been filed yet to update the rmq container?20:20
sdakedaneyon you will need to file one  Ithink20:20
daneyonwill do20:20
sdakeAndre is in Japan20:20
sdakehe has done alot of good work and I'd like to get him into our weekly meetings20:20
sdakebut our current meeting time is like 2am or something rediculous forhim20:21
sdakeI think a meeting time of 1500-1600 UTC would work for emea/apac/us20:21
daneyonouch20:21
sdakealthough early on the west coast20:21
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sdakehere is what I propose20:22
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sdakeI'll make a doodle poll20:22
sdakeand see if we can get the most coverage20:22
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sdakealso there is some folks in europe that want to particpate - not just andre20:22
sdakeI'll send a vote for the doodle poll to the ml and leave it open for 1 week20:22
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sdakedoes that work for folks?20:22
jpeeleryep20:23
daneyonsure20:23
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sdakecool, since larsks and radez have moved on to other projects, will be nice to have a couple good replacements :)20:23
daneyonagreed20:23
sdake#topic milestone #3 planning20:24
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sdakelast week was pretty much eaten up by our review of our technical direction change20:24
sdakeour new technical direction is extremely viable20:24
sdakewhereas before it was not20:24
sdakeso I'm super excited20:24
sdakeunfortunately I didn't have a chance to distill the spec into blueprints20:24
sdakebut that is what I'll be tackling this week20:24
daneyonexciting20:25
sdakesounds like we have the following work20:25
sdakejpeeler -> first unit test20:25
sdakesdake -> writ eblueprints from new technical direction20:25
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sdakedaneyon -> rabbitmq container "2.0" :)20:25
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sdakerhallisy -> drinking beers on the beach20:25
daneyonpradeep knocked out creating the req docker repo20:26
sdakeoh right I saw that20:26
sdakewe need a fig repo too20:26
sdakei'll ask him if he can tackle that20:26
daneyoni updated the get-image script. I'm just about ready to submit a patch set for updates to the heat dev template.20:27
sdakeso we all have work to tackle this week, then going into next week we should have quite a bit of outstanding work to sort out20:27
daneyonsdake: re fig repo... did you get any feedback from atomic-dev re fig in a container?20:27
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sdakeyes - its not packaged in fedora20:27
sdakeprobably what needs to happen with fig is it needs to be packaged in fedora20:28
sdakeif I still hae the permissions I'll submit a review request for that20:28
sdakeI'll add that to my tasks this week as well20:28
jpeelersdake: feel free to CC me on that review20:28
sdakeand jpeeler can rubber stamp :)20:28
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sdakethanks jpeeler20:28
daneyoneither that our we create a akollaglue/fig container?20:28
sdakeI lke idea of fig in a container but I don't want to complicate things early on20:29
daneyonwe can use a specific tag from the GH repo20:29
daneyonOK20:29
sdakewe did that with kubernetes and that wasn't ideal :(20:29
sdake#topic open discussion20:29
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sdakeI have to admit at the beginning of the year I was a bit lost as to roadmap20:30
daneyonas i mentioned, i'm pretty much done with the dev heat template.20:30
sdakebut now i feel extremely confident in where we are heading and how to get there20:30
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sdakenice daneyon20:30
daneyonit touches the root README, let me know if doc updates need to be in a seperate patch20:30
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sdakeall in one is good20:30
sdakei like docs with the changes personally :)20:31
jpeelerwhere's the docker repo that was mentioned earlier?20:31
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sdakejpeeler this docker repo contains the --pid=host version of docker20:31
sdakedaneyon do you have a link?20:31
daneyonya, one sec.20:31
daneyon#link https://copr.fedoraproject.org/coprs/pkilambi/docker20:32
daneyonthe updated heat template uses this repo20:32
sdakebritt thanks for coming - are you mostly planning to lurk or do you hae any open discussion you would like to discuss :)20:33
daneyonlets get to work :-)20:33
britthouserjust lurking today20:33
sdakenice ok cool20:34
sdakewell, any other open discussion?20:34
sdakeif not, I'll terminate the meeting20:34
jpeeleri'm good, thanks steve20:34
sdakethanks for coming folks :)20:34
sdake#endmeeting20:34
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