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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan  8 14:00:16 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
alaskio/14:00
bauzas\o14:00
alex_xuo/14:00
heyongli-hi14:00
n0anoo/14:00
gilliardHi14:00
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johnthetubaguy#topic kilo specs14:00
abhishekko/14:00
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baoliHi14:00
johnthetubaguyHappy new year all14:00
abhishekkHappy new year all14:01
johnthetubaguyso, the spec freeze has happened14:01
dims__o/14:01
* bauzas just wising a new year for ibvious reasons14:01
johnthetubaguywe need an exception process, holidays got in the way of that14:01
johnthetubaguyso...14:01
johnthetubaguystep 1: email ML to request exception14:01
abhishekkjohnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135387/ nova-spec for unshelve needs review14:02
johnthetubaguystep 2: nova-drivers review spec, vote −2 if they don't think it needs doing14:02
johnthetubaguyduring kilo14:02
johnthetubaguystep 3: if two people have +2ed it for kilo, it merges as normal14:02
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bauzashow many nova-drivers for an exception ?14:02
bauzaseh14:02
johnthetubaguystep 4: but there is a deadline, two weeks before kilo14:02
johnthetubaguybauzas: I think I sad two above14:03
johnthetubaguyso...14:03
johnthetubaguydoes that sound sane?14:03
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yeah cross-posted14:03
dims__johnthetubaguy: kilo-2?14:03
n0anoin re: step 1 - any special format to the subject line so it doesn't get lost in the noise?14:03
johnthetubaguydims__: yeah, sorry, two weeks before kilo-214:03
dims__:)14:03
bauzashow long is during the exception to leave the spec merged ? one week ?14:03
johnthetubaguyn0ano: I guess, something like "[nova] request spec freeze exception for XXXX"14:04
dims__sounds sane to me!14:04
johnthetubaguybauzas: till the deadline, two weeks before kilo-2 (assuming thats not last week, goes to find date...)14:04
bauzasok and then you fence14:04
bauzasthen I'm +114:04
jaypipeso/ hio guys14:04
n0anoother thing, is the only notice that the exception is granted the fact that two +2s happen or is there some kind of official notice14:04
johnthetubaguydansmith: alaski: didn't put any core review sponsors on this one, as leaving that for the feature freeze at end of kilo-2, that sound OK?14:05
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bauzastwo weeks before K2 is Jan 24th IIUC14:05
bauzasI mean 29th14:05
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: core sponsors on which?14:05
johnthetubaguy#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kilo_Release_Schedule14:05
* dansmith is multi-meeting-tasking14:05
johnthetubaguydansmith: I am just letting nova-specs-core vote in gerrit on the spec exceptions14:06
bauzasoops 22th then14:06
johnthetubaguydansmith: was going to ignore nova-core sponsors till feature freeze, where we need three again14:06
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: oh I see, I thought you were referencing a spec14:06
johnthetubaguydansmith: its just the spec at this point, but yeah, I am ignore nova-core votes on the code for now14:06
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: yes, agreed, drivers for this, and any driver -2 NAKs, otherwise usual two drivers required to merge?14:07
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alaskijohnthetubaguy: I'm fine with leaving the sponsorship off14:07
dansmithbasically, standard gerrit rules14:07
johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy to write up the plan and email the dev list14:07
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johnthetubaguydansmith: yeah, cool, seemed silly to do anything else14:07
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johnthetubaguyOK, so thats the exception process14:07
dansmithso is the goal to get every spec either -2'd or merged?14:07
johnthetubaguydansmith: I think so14:07
jaypipesit should be, yes14:07
dansmithokie14:08
johnthetubaguyI plan to try and go through them all, and do the "big" −2 pass, skipping ones that I want to have an exception on14:08
johnthetubaguyhopefully this afternoon14:08
dims__johnthetubaguy: reviews need to be ready when the request for exception is sent?14:08
dansmithif something isn't ready now,14:08
dansmithit should be -2d anyway14:08
dims__right14:08
edleafedansmith: +114:08
dansmithspecs that get exceptions should be ones that are really close, already maybe voted on once, etc I think14:08
dims__+1 dansmith14:09
johnthetubaguyyeah, thats fair, stuff where you are likely to get the code up soon14:09
jaypipesdansmith: any chance you could ask danpb to hop on #openstack-nova for the next couple days, since he's on nova-drivers?14:09
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johnthetubaguyI don't want to check that, or require that, more recommend that14:09
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dansmithjaypipes: I can ask14:09
jaypipesthx14:09
johnthetubaguyanyways, any more questions on that, I will mail out a summary of the plan today14:10
jaypipesnot from me, thanks john14:10
edleafesounds good14:10
johnthetubaguynext sub topic, kilo-2 marks nova feature freeze14:10
johnthetubaguyso there was a plan that you need a feature freeze exception, or be on the priority list, to merge code in kilo-314:11
johnthetubaguyI am guessing folks are still cool with that idea?14:11
johnthetubaguy#info kilo-2 will be feature freeze for things not on the priorities list14:11
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n0anojohnthetubaguy, does that apply to bug fixes?14:11
dansmithsounds good to me14:11
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johnthetubaguyn0ano: well bugs are on the priority list, I guess14:12
johnthetubaguycools14:12
johnthetubaguy#topic Kilo priorities14:12
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n0anoand not a feature - silly me, never mind14:12
johnthetubaguyhands up for any updates or questions?14:12
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johnthetubaguyany specs for priority things people want to raise here14:13
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127609/14:13
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: I vote we give that an exception, once we are happy with it14:13
anteayathe only question is if the nova net to neutron migration needs a nova spec, which wwe don't know yet14:14
johnthetubaguybut will let the drivers vote in gerrit, as per the process14:14
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: needs your and danpb's input.14:14
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johnthetubaguyjaypipes: ack14:14
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n0anoalso, https://review.openstack.org/13844 could use some attention14:14
n0anos/13844/13844414:15
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bauzasn0ano: I think this spec also needs to ask for an exception14:15
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johnthetubaguybauzas: seems reasonable to me14:15
johnthetubaguyanyways, those are two good ones I will help try get in14:16
bauzascool14:16
edleafebauzas: Already writing the exception request... :)14:16
baolijohnthetubaguy: we have a few sriov-related specs, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-January/053917.html.14:16
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johnthetubaguybaoli: thats not on the priority list at this point, but feel free to make the case on the ML14:16
johnthetubaguy#topic Gate Status14:17
heyongli-and to pci, intel setting up a CI, want to comments nova repo, so pci/sriov related featues could get tested at lest.14:17
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baolijohnthetubaguy, will do after your email is out.14:17
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heyongli-johnthetubaguy,14:17
heyongli-https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-PCI-CI14:17
heyongli-here is the CI infomation14:17
johnthetubaguybaoli: heyongli-: I would expect specs to be rejected until the CI is working, but we can talk about that later on14:17
heyongli-a sample logs:14:17
heyongli-http://192.55.68.190/143614/6/14:17
johnthetubaguyso gate status14:18
johnthetubaguyany news from people?14:18
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, sure, let talk the CI late14:18
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johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:18
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johnthetubaguyanything on bugs from people14:18
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: the big current issue is the warnings problem on juno unit tests14:18
dansmithI have a bug thing14:19
sdaguefrom a gate perspective, I'm actually trying to figure out the right fix for that one14:19
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johnthetubaguydansmith: fire away14:19
dansmithhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/145292/14:19
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dansmith^ that is a fix for the live migration RPC stuff,14:19
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dansmithwhich basically turns the error into a very verbose warning,14:19
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dansmithbased on a best guess if the migration is shared-block,14:19
dansmithassuming so if it doesn't know14:20
johnthetubaguyhmm, OK14:20
dansmithdoing anything more sophisticated is really (really) tricky at this point14:20
dansmithso I just want to encourage thought and review on that14:20
johnthetubaguydansmith: making the best of a bad situation makes sense I guess14:20
dansmithonce you bump past the icehouse RPC version, the warning goes away14:20
dansmithand we can drop it later14:20
johnthetubaguymakes sense14:20
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johnthetubaguyany more on bugs?14:21
dims__i have one - ext4 as ephemeral disk - has a long history and worked on by many folks before14:21
dims__https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bug/1266262,n,z14:21
dims__could use input!14:21
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johnthetubaguydims__: is that a feature or is that just me?14:21
dims__mriedem: and jogo pointed me to this14:22
johnthetubaguymriedem: we are on bugs, but we can stretch that to gate bugs, if there is anything to be raised14:22
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: nothing for nova i don't think, neutron has been blowing up this week14:22
dims__johnthetubaguy: it's being treated a bug with multiple reviews abandoned14:22
mriedemsome ssh no route to host failure14:22
mriedemhttp://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html14:23
johnthetubaguydims__: its always the debate about whats supported in what distros, I think14:23
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: honestly, the ext4 default is something that we should have switched to a long time ago. We're forcing it over in the gate on test runs for a long time because ext3 there slows things down a bunch14:23
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: yeah, doesn't seem like a bug to me at all14:23
dims__yep, i have a bunch of pointers to previous work in the commit message14:23
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dims__dansmith: i'd agree14:24
mriedemfrom what i remember it was ok to switch to ext4 in juno14:24
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mriedemas the default since we advertised it in icehouse14:24
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dims__we can continue conversation on the 2 reviews, don't want to hold up14:25
johnthetubaguydims__: want about adding a blueprint we can just approve without a spec?14:25
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johnthetubaguydims__: just for tracking really14:26
dims__johnthetubaguy: works for me14:26
sdague+114:26
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johnthetubaguylets move on14:26
mriedemyou could also send a heads up to the operators list, since PhilD was the one that raised the issue long ago after it was first changed14:26
dims__mriedem: will do14:26
johnthetubaguydims__: probably worth reaching out to phil directly14:27
johnthetubaguyanyways14:27
johnthetubaguy#topic stuck reviews14:27
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johnthetubaguyI guess we did most of that14:27
johnthetubaguyI vote we leave any more till the end...14:27
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bauzasagreed14:27
johnthetubaguy#topic nova-net to neutron migration14:27
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anteayahi14:27
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anteaya#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053355.html14:27
johnthetubaguyanteaya: fire away14:27
anteayathis email thread is trying to get some folks to congregate around a regular meeting time14:28
anteayafolks are being identified and once a meeting is selected it will be posted to -dev14:28
johnthetubaguyin terms of process, do you think you will know the specs you need before we reach the end of jan?14:28
anteayathat is all I have this week14:28
anteayaI ssure hope so14:28
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anteayaif not this effort is really in trouble for kilo14:29
johnthetubaguyanteaya: next week we can just cover this under priorites14:29
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johnthetubaguyanteaya: its on our list there14:29
anteayagreat thanks14:29
johnthetubaguyanteaya: but really appreciate you pushing on this :)14:29
anteayamy first meeting so wastn't sure14:29
anteayathank you for the support14:29
johnthetubaguynp14:29
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:29
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johnthetubaguybefore we talk about early marks, anyone got anything they want to raise?14:30
alex_xuo/, may I looking from some eyes on policy stuff, the base patch is ready, the contributors are waiting for those base patch merged, then they can begin to work on subsequent tasks https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/v3-api-policy,n,z thanks in advance!14:30
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heyongli-johnthetubaguy, anteaya we want start comment to nova repo for our CI14:30
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abhishekkjohnthetubaguy: I have submitted a nova-spec for improving unshelve api performance14:30
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mriedemabhishekk: do you have code up for review?14:31
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johnthetubaguyabhishekk: it will need a spec exception, as described earlier, assuming you are almost ready with code there14:31
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abhishekkmriedem: I have code ready, testing it in my environment14:31
mriedemabhishekk: you should probably get it posted then14:31
mriedemeven if only WIP14:31
johnthetubaguyabhishekk: yep, sounds OK, please follow the spec freeze exception process14:32
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: lets talk about the CI14:32
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abhishekkjohnthetubaguy: thank you, I have sent a mail for freeze exception process14:33
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, we will start comments recent day, now we had some basic pci test case runing already14:33
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heyongli- Test cases on github:14:33
heyongli-https://github.com/intel-hw-ci/Intel-Openstack-Hardware-CI/tree/master/pci_testcases14:33
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johnthetubaguyheyongli-: are you running tempest?14:33
johnthetubaguyI guess thats a no?14:33
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, yes, for about one month14:33
abhishekkmriedem: thank you, I will may be in the middle of next week (probably next thursday)14:33
heyongli-not all tempest, just PCI related test case, help by tempest.14:34
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: were did you say you were sending reports again?14:34
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heyongli-johnthetubaguy, i confused, what report?14:34
mriedemdo we have a post-merge queue/report site or anything? i know we talked about that at the summit.14:34
mriedemlike periodic jobs14:35
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: the list of test results, how many pass vs fail, how well you keep up with all the patches, etc14:35
johnthetubaguymriedem: bit out of touch, not see one, but a good question...14:35
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mriedemsdague: are you aware of any post-merge jobs/results posted anywhere?14:35
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, now, about 10 testcases now, will add more later,14:36
sdaguemriedem: they live in jenkins or can be emailed out14:36
sdaguethere is no nice dashboard14:36
heyongli-for now oure resources could catch up patch sets, if needed, we will add more machine for that.14:36
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mriedemsdague: is there any 3rd party jobs reporting to that?14:36
mriedem*are there14:37
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johnthetubaguyheyongli-: OK, not sure I understand what you are asking about the CI, you are wanting to vote in jenkins?14:37
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anteayajohnthetubaguy: I told him he had to ask before he could comment on nova patches14:37
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, no, not request to vote, just annouce, we going to start comments,14:38
anteayathat may be what he is asking permission to do14:38
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johnthetubaguyright, got it14:38
stevegjohnthetubaguy, the intent ultimately would ideally be to vote on nova patches14:38
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: I guess you have followed this: http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html14:38
heyongli-hope people can get attention.14:38
stevegcurrently iirc the SR-IOV reporting is only on neutron14:38
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, yeah, and anteaya help us to make it,14:38
stevegwhich is the gap heyongli is aiming to close on the nova side14:38
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: I think we would like to see it writing into gerrit, before it starts voting14:38
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johnthetubaguyand see it prove its-self14:38
sdaguemriedem: oh, 3rd party, no there is no place for that outside the system14:38
anteayaheyongli-: so sounds to mee like you can comment now, congratulations14:39
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: have you got a link to a wiki page on the CI system again?14:39
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heyongli-johnthetubaguy, sure, we we keep it runing and make stable ASAP, so it will worth to help push PCI feature and bugs.14:39
johnthetubaguyanteaya: I am ok with commenting, yeah, not sure what others are thinking14:39
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Intel-PCI-CI14:40
anteayamriedem: there is an effort to get stackforge/radar into shape for a third party dashboard: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/radar/14:40
mriedemcommenting on patches as a non-voting job is fine as long as it's not just noise right?14:40
heyongli-testcases: https://github.com/intel-hw-ci/Intel-Openstack-Hardware-CI/tree/master/pci_testcases14:40
anteayamriedem: sweston is driving that14:40
mriedemlike the nova-docker job is busted so it always fails until nova-docker is fixed14:40
mriedemcells used to be that way, so we moved it to the experimental queue14:41
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heyongli-johnthetubaguy, if you want some sample running log, there it is:http://192.55.68.190/137715/13/14:41
heyongli-http://192.55.68.190/133269/14/14:41
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: OK, we also need the list of tempest tests that are being skipped, etc, but we can talk more about that off line I think14:41
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mriedemskipped == most of them http://192.55.68.190/137715/13/testr_result.html.gz14:42
johnthetubaguyheyongli: ah, I think I see the tempest tests there, cool14:42
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, the resize is skipped, because it's had bug now.14:42
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mriedemheyongli: these tests don't live in tempest http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/api/compute/servers14:43
mriedemare you contributing those upstream?14:43
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: I don't fully understand why you don't just run the regular tempest tests, you can tell tempest what flavor to launch in its config?14:43
heyongli-mriedem, i tried suggested by jogo, but reject.14:43
mriedemheyongli: hmm, i'd think tempest could have them if there was a config flag to say whether or not pci is supported14:43
anteayaheyongli-: can you share the link to the patch where that discussion took place?14:43
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, regular trempest tests can not verify pci test cases now.14:44
mriedemi'd think a qa-spec is in order at least for the discussoin14:44
heyongli-anteaya, sure. a moment.14:44
johnthetubaguyheyongli-: but just launching the VM is a good testing, testing you can ssh is great if it was a PCI passthrough NIC right?14:44
dansmithdo we need to keep all the nova folks on the line for this/14:44
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johnthetubaguydansmith: you are right, I tried to say that early but was too chicken14:45
mriedemwe can move it to -qa14:45
johnthetubaguymriedem: thanks14:45
johnthetubaguyOK, thats all folks I think, lets move the CI convo offline14:45
sdaguemriedem: there was a discussion, the pci tests require *so* much specific config that they are pretty far outside the test model for tempest14:45
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, this is a specfic test cases, we make sure pci does assiged to vm for now, and for more advanced test like ping via nic and ping via sriov will come soon.14:46
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johnthetubaguyheyongli-: what I mean is tempest will do the NIC test for you right now, so you don't need any specific PCI tests14:46
mriedemany other topics?14:46
johnthetubaguyanyways, let move on14:46
johnthetubaguyany more for any more?14:47
johnthetubaguyno...14:47
heyongli-johnthetubaguy, currently running test cases assign pci to vm, login and check them, do reboot,resume... to make sure basic function ok.14:47
mriedemlet's call it14:47
mriedemand move to other channels14:47
johnthetubaguyyep14:47
dansmith+114:47
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johnthetubaguy#endmeeting14:47
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* alex_xu is sad on nobody answer him...., but happy to see his colleague get progress14:48
johnthetubaguyalex_xu: what answer are people wanting? we said yes to commenting I think14:49
johnthetubaguyalthough ideally need to know what is actually being reported14:49
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: just ask review for policy stuff :)14:49
gilliardalex_xu is talking about the policy changes I think14:49
bauzasalex_xu: your proposal looks interesting14:49
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bauzasalex_xu: I guess it's API version agnostic14:49
bauzas?14:49
alex_xubauzas: gilliard, thanks14:49
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johnthetubaguyalex_xu: lets go to #openstack-nova14:50
* gilliard -> nova14:50
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alex_xuhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/v3-api-policy,n,z14:50
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eglynn-office#startmeeting ceilometer15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan  8 15:01:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglynn-office. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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jd__o/15:02
idegtiarovo/15:02
eglynn-officeHappy New Year folks, I hope y'all had a nice break :)15:02
cdento/15:02
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llu-laptopo/15:02
fabiogHappy New Year15:02
gordco/15:02
nsaje_hey, happy new year guys!15:02
nealphgood break indeed!15:02
eglynn-officeapols for the low profile this week, I've been heads-down on some RH installer work for my sins15:03
eglynn-office#topic Kilo-2 status15:03
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ildikovo/15:03
eglynn-office#link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/kilo-215:03
ildikovhappy new year :)15:03
eglynn-officeI've added blocked LP BPs pending the ceilo-specs reviews landing15:03
ildikoveglynn-office: as for the low profile, we're all in warming up phase I think15:04
eglynn-officeyeap, it's like cranking up an old engine on a cold morning ;)15:04
eglynn-officeso first question is, did I miss out anything that should be targetted at kilo2?15:04
eglynn-officenealph: e.g. the pipeline config work, were you thinking k2 or k3?15:05
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llu-laptopeglynn-office: I think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/self-disabled-pollster could be kilo-215:05
eglynn-office(kilo-2 is week of Feb 5th)15:05
eglynn-officellu-laptop: coolness, thanks15:05
nealpheglynn-office: targeting k2 for bringing up the db and everything except api....15:05
silehto/15:06
eglynn-officenealph: cool, should we split the BP into two parts in that case?15:06
nealphthat's pretty agressive, but I think we have a few more resources to throw at it.15:06
eglynn-officenealph: (so that we can track against 2 separate milestones)15:06
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nealpheglynn-office: if that's the preference, you bet.15:06
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nealpheglynn-office: will do that by eod tomorrow.15:07
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eglynn-officenealph: excellent, if you could file a BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+addspec with a brief list of the k2 changes , I'll target it at kilo-215:08
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idegtiarovnealph: i'd like to start work with api after discussion if you don't mind15:08
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nealphidegtiarov: yeah, I owe you a chat. :)15:08
eglynn-officenealph: ... i.e. no need for yet another ceilo-specs proposal15:08
nealphidegtiarov: still waking up from the break...15:08
nealpheglynn-office: sweet!15:09
idegtiarovnealph: yep! so do i! :)15:09
eglynn-officeanything else on the kilo-2 radar?15:10
cdentI think gabbi (the http declarative test harness) is sufficiently happy now to actually use15:10
cdentSo I've started assembling some real tests15:11
cdentSeems to work.15:11
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eglynn-officecdent: coolness, thanks! :)15:11
cdentThe only trouble is I don't know the API very well.15:11
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idegtiarovcdent:  great news!!!15:11
eglynn-officecdent: so I presume patches are welcome?15:11
eglynn-officecdent: i.e. divide and conquer to get API coverage?15:11
cdentyeah sure15:12
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cdentI think the first step is probably to merge a very basic thing15:12
cdentand then people can build on that15:12
cdentI can make that happen early next week15:12
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eglynn-officecool, yeah, once your initial patches are landed and running happily in the gate, should be easier for other folks to help out15:12
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fabiogcdent: let's sync sometimes next week, unfortunately I saw a lot of API code lately :-)15:13
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cdentokee doke15:13
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eglynn-officefabiog: BTW thanks again for that RBAC patch in kilo-1, we've backported internally to juno & icehouse15:14
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fabiogeglynn-office: glad to help15:14
eglynn-officefabiog: ... i.e. to be carried as an extra patch in the distro, obviously too featureful to backport to stable upstream15:14
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eglynn-officek, let's move on to the pasta making :)15:15
eglynn-office#topic gnocchi status15:15
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eglynn-officejd__: lots of patches landed this week, nice!15:16
eglynn-office#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:stackforge/gnocchi,n,z15:16
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eglynn-officebiggest outsanding in the review queue is currently I guess ceph driver and the cross-metric aggregation follow-ups15:17
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silehtceph is ready, it just need to be rebased15:18
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eglynn-officesileht: I owe you reviews on both of those patchsets, I'll get to them once I've tamed staypuft/astapor (prolly tmrw)15:18
silehtcross-metric, have unresolved issue about missing datapoint15:18
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silehteglynn-office, jd__ have some suggestions, but I'm waiting for your thought, to be sure15:19
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eglynn-officesileht: yeap, apols for the slowness of the response on that ... I'll chime in on gerrit15:19
DinaBelovao/ oh, sorry, folks :)15:20
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DinaBelovaforgot about meeting15:20
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: np! :)15:20
idegtiarovhi! Dina!15:20
silehteglynn-office, the discustion is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140638/5/gnocchi/carbonara.py15:20
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jd__I've also work on some HTML rendering15:21
jd__and I'm currently working on a statsd frontend15:21
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eglynn-officesileht: on a first thought, jd__'s suggestion to "compute the to_timestamp to be last possible datapoints in common for all the timeseries" seems reasonable15:22
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eglynn-office... in any case, I'll reply in gerrit15:22
eglynn-officejd__: yeah, I noticed "statsd" referenced in a topic branch name on a review :)15:22
jd__once I'm done I'll probably starts working on ceilometer-alarm support or something15:22
eglynn-officenice, finally the statsd fanboys will have something to cheer about :)15:23
eglynn-offices/fanboys/fanpersons/ :)15:23
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DinaBelovajd__, what are you going to start with in the alarms support?15:23
* DinaBelova is just actually interested15:24
DinaBelovaI've been thinking about some opentsdb related raw-downsampled data magic15:24
DinaBelovaand suddenly understood I have no clear understanding of how heat autoscaling use case will be working with gnocchi15:25
DinaBelovaI mean I see several possibilities, etc. - and remember all our discussions15:25
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: the strongly typed server_group attribute on the Instance resource type is the key point15:25
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, yeah... but I see kind of issue with the thing how does heat define stack15:26
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: oh, yeah?15:26
DinaBelovaI mean heat stack defining alarm sets the period15:26
eglynn-officeyep ... a-ha, lining that up with the archive policy?15:27
DinaBelovaactually it'll be the granularity in the statistics request15:27
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, yes15:27
eglynn-officeyeah, good point15:27
DinaBelovawe can only do that storing some amount of raw data15:27
DinaBelovaand playing with aggregated data where possible15:27
DinaBelovacombining it with raw one where not15:27
DinaBelovaI did not remember the discussions about this thing15:28
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eglynn-officein a sense it's a version of the current issue of lining up the relevant pipeline.yaml interval with the alarm period15:28
eglynn-officethe alarm period has to be a whole number multiple of the pipeline source interval15:28
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, not actually - I'm mostly about the fact, that archive policies are set globally by admin in the cloud, although stack can be created by anyone with any period of the alarm15:29
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, moreover, heat is interested in points like now, now-period, now - 2*period, etc., gnocchi is working with normalized timestamps15:29
DinaBelovait's not ptobably the global issue, I just don't see the exact solution for now15:30
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: ... pretty much like the pipeline.yaml is set administratively, whereas anyone can create alarms?15:30
DinaBelovayes15:30
DinaBelovaoh, sorry, got your previous point15:30
DinaBelovayeah, these things have kind of common roots15:30
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: I don't fully see the issue with normalized timestamps ... is this the clamping to the natural wall-clock boundaries?15:31
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: ... i.e. 1 minute or 5 minute or one hour boundaries, not anchored on utcnow15:31
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I somehow thought that gnocchi is working with normalized timestamps - like when we're aggregating 1 hour, we're doing this from 1 am to 2 am (let's say), not starting the clock from the first written mertic15:32
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: yes, exactly15:32
DinaBelovaok, so let's say heat now uses the alarm that basically is making statistics request15:33
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: ... so yeah, you're right the "meaning" of the periodization changes15:33
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, heat now basically creates alarm that asks ceilo api about smth like ceilometer statistics -m cpu_util -q metadata.user_metadata.stack=stackval -p 600 -a avg15:34
DinaBelovalet's say15:34
DinaBelovaor smth like, it does not matter15:34
DinaBelovabut heat uses request (now - smth, now) period to ask15:34
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: yes, instead of the latest period being [now minus 5mins, now] say, it becomes [last 5min boundary, now]15:35
DinaBelovanot the from (1am, 2am)15:35
eglynn-officeso the latest period is generally just partially populated15:35
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, that does not seem to be the direct mapping between current logic and how it'll be looking like15:35
DinaBelovabecasue 5min boundary might be not stored in gnocchi15:36
DinaBelovaif it won't be this archive definition15:36
DinaBelovaand we can't store all the periods that might be asked by heat15:36
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DinaBelovaas this might be any period of time15:36
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DinaBelovanot only pre-aggregated granularities we store15:37
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, I would say, that in this case we need to store all raw data as well - and use pre-aggregates where possible15:38
eglynn-officewell we don't need to store all the periods, or? ... if the alarm period was small whole number multiple of an existing archive policy granularity for the metric, then we could the final aggregation step in the alarm evaluator?15:38
DinaBelovacombining them with raw data15:38
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, moment15:38
* DinaBelova reading and trying to get the point15:38
eglynn-officesay the alarm period in 10 mins, and we only store 5 min granularity15:39
eglynn-officethe evaluator could itself aggregate over the contiguous pairs of 5 min datapoints15:39
eglynn-officenot ideal TBH15:40
eglynn-officeas it collapses down to the "mean-of-means" problem15:40
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eglynn-officebut we're doing that anyway for the cross-metric aggregation, right sileht?15:40
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, what would we do, is we store 100 points of 5-min granularities and 100 points of 1-day granularities, and alarm period is 1 min? or 2 mins?15:41
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DinaBelova1-hour I meant, not 1-day, but anyway15:42
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: in that case, all bets are off ... similarly to currently when the alarm period is 60s but the pipeline interval is 600s15:42
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, but this does not seem to be 'normal'.... we might want to fix it somehow?15:42
* sileht read backlog15:43
DinaBelovaand ok, let's say we store 5 mins granularity, and alarm asks for 7 min period15:43
DinaBelova7, not 1015:43
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DinaBelovain this case alarm period is bigger than the minimum granularity15:43
silehteglynn-office, yes "cross-metric aggregatio" does "mean-of-means"15:43
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: yeah, AFAICS this can only work if the period for the alarm is a whole-number multiple of the existing granularity for the metric15:44
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: ... otherwise we have to get into somehow aggregating over the raw data on-demand, as you said15:44
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eglynn-officesileht: yeah, that's what I thought ... thanks for the confirmation15:45
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, but we cannot guarantee alarm will be created with period = n * granularity15:45
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: exactly ... so it seems like a variant of the current issue with the pipeline interval?15:45
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, well, kind of15:46
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: yeah, not exactly the same, but similar15:46
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: TBH I'm a bit more concerned about the normalized timestamp issue that you mentioned15:46
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: since it opens to the latest period being very lightly populated15:46
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: and hence skewed by the quickest instances reporting15:47
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, simply I do not think we need to restrict only  alarm_period = n * granularity.... because that's odd to make any ceilometer users to fit archives they do not know about, actually15:47
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, well, this as well15:47
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, I suppose we might want to implement complex logic with raw/pre-aggregated data processing15:48
DinaBelovawith combining them15:48
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: hmm, yeah worth thinking about15:48
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: BTW currently we work around that skewed latest period by allowing the sample count to be used to discard low quality datapoints15:48
DinaBelovaalthough that's the big headache with complex aggregation fns like mean/dev15:48
eglynn-officei.e. where the sample count is anomolously low15:48
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, hm, may you please provide the example?15:49
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DinaBelovasorry, /me still on the vacation, low CPU-brain performance15:49
DinaBelova:)15:49
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, do you mean we'll just through away some datapoints in case if gnocchi decided they are 'low quality' on some condition?15:50
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: see https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/commit/a4c7411a15:51
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DinaBelovaa-ha, got it15:52
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: basically the idea is for the alarm evaluator to throw away any datapoints that were formed from an unusually low number of samples15:52
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DinaBelovaeglynn-office, how is the 'unusuality' of samples processed?15:52
ildikovI don't want to interrupt, but as I remember we have one more topic for the today's meeting15:53
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eglynn-officeDinaBelova: based on variance ... 2 standard deviations below the average sample count IIRC15:53
DinaBelovaildikov, thanks15:53
eglynn-officeildikov: yeah, we'd better move on15:53
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, yeah, found this line15:53
eglynn-officeDinaBelova: let's catch up this later or trmw?15:53
DinaBelovaeglynn-office, yeah, ok15:53
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eglynn-office#topic Mid-Cycle attendance and plans15:53
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eglynn-officeso this is less than 2 weeks away15:54
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fabiogyep15:54
eglynn-officecan folks intending to travel please confirm their attendence on the etherpad by EoW?15:54
eglynn-officeI've had a query from a Cisco contributor about potentially sending a couple of attendees15:55
ildikovDinaBelova: it's a pity that you cannot come :(15:55
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eglynn-officebut we need to ensure we've the minimum quorum of core contributors15:55
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fabiogeglynn-office: and that would be15:55
eglynn-officeso if you've got approval from the bean-counters, please update pad15:55
fabiog?15:55
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eglynn-officefabiog: I really like to see 5 established ceilo contributors15:56
fabiogeglynn-office: ok15:56
ildikov#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/galway-jan-2014-ceilometer-sprint15:56
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eglynn-officeI think currently we have 3 declared15:56
DinaBelovaildikov, yeah... I actually regret about this15:56
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fabiogI will also need an email with full nam, check-in and check-out dates for people that want to take advantage of the HP rate hotel15:57
eglynn-officecool, I mentioned that to the Cisco guy15:58
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eglynn-officewe're running out of time, as per usual ...15:58
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eglynn-office#topic open discussion15:58
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eglynn-officejust one quick thing from the cross-project meeting15:58
eglynn-officeeads up on sdague's logging guidelines15:59
eglynn-office*heads up on sdague's logging guidelines15:59
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eglynn-office(first mooted around the ATL summit IIRC)15:59
eglynn-office... looking like it's finally going to be adopted15:59
eglynn-office#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132552/3/specs/log-guidelines.rst15:59
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eglynn-office^^^ please take a look at the latest if you can spare the time16:00
ildikoveglynn-office: cool, thanks for the heads-up!16:00
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eglynn-officethanks for your time folks, I guess that's a wrap16:00
eglynn-office#endmeeting ceilometer16:00
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ildikoveglynn-office: I have it opened in my broweser for ages without actually checking it... :(16:00
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thumpbahow can i use multiple openrc files to manage multiple openstack env21:30
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gmann#startmeeting qa22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan  8 22:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'22:00
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dtroyero/22:00
gmannHi, who all here today?22:00
masayukig\o22:01
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gmannhi dtroyer masayukig.22:01
curtis_pennero/22:01
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gmannOk. Let’s start meeting22:01
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gmann#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_January_8th_2015_.282200_UTC.2922:02
gmann^^^ Today's agenda22:02
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masayukigThere are few things..22:02
gmann#topic Specs Reviews22:02
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gmannmasayukig: yes. go ahead.22:03
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masayukigah, sorry. I don't have it. I mentioned about the agenda..22:04
gmannohk..22:04
gmannok let's discuss spec review.22:04
gmannDoes anyone have any open spec review to discuss?22:04
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gmannssh spec is merged. it will be good for ssh issues we have.22:05
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/94741/22:05
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masayukiggmann: agree22:06
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gmannOk, let's move onto the next topic22:07
gmann#topic Blueprints22:07
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gmannAny open blueprints that we need to discuss or any status updates?22:07
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gmannOk, I have one update.22:08
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gmannAs decided, for testing Nova v2.1 we run experimental gate job (proposed for check/gate pipeline) which runs all tempest V2 tests against V2.1 endpoint.22:09
gmann#link  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/nova-v21-api-tests22:09
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gmannSono other work required on above BP. I will close this one22:10
gmannSono- >so no22:10
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masayukiggmann: cool22:10
masayukigKen'ichi mentioned about the moving RestClient.22:10
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masayukig#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:rest-client,n,z22:10
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gmannmasayukig: yes22:11
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gmannI will also review those. Those will be simple to review and imp so that rest_client can be ready for tempest-lib22:11
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gmannmasayukig: thanks22:11
gmannAnything else on BP updates22:12
masayukignope22:12
gmannlet’s move onto next topic.22:12
gmann#topic Devstack22:12
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gmannsdague, dtroyer: please go ahead on Devstack22:13
sdaguegmann: the external plugins patch merged22:13
sdaguethat's the big news22:13
sdague#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/142805/22:13
gmannsdague: great.22:13
sdaguethat should open up the ability for more projects to have devstack plugins in the future22:14
masayukigsdague: cool22:14
dtroyerI do want to look at migrating some current support into that form, ie ceph…22:14
dtroyerI think the gluster support will be the first to use it22:14
dtroyerI've started the logging spec work, early reviews are in22:15
dtroyerthat's going to be a series of small reviews across devstack, grenade and devstack-gate22:15
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dtroyernot much else here22:16
dtroyercatching up from a couple of weeks of light reviewing22:16
gmanndtroyer: ok22:17
* sdague needs to drop off 22:17
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gmannsdague: dtroyer: Thanks22:18
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gmannanything on this topic from anyone22:18
gmannok let's move onto the next topic.22:19
gmann#topic Grenade22:19
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gmanndtroyer, sdague, jogo: Anything you guys would like to discuss on Grenade22:19
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dtroyernothing much there either…a couple of things that fell out of the pip/setuptools upgrade fun in late Dec were backported22:20
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gmanndtroyer: cool22:20
gmannlet's move onto the next topic22:21
gmann#topic Bugs22:21
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gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report22:21
gmann^^This week bug report22:21
gmannI had the triage rotation this week. New bugs count is in single digit - 6.22:21
masayukiggmann: great :)22:22
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gmannout of those couple of them are ssh connectivity issues22:23
gmannmasayukig: yes, rotation thing is working good here :)22:23
gmannBut looks like no one has signed for coming weeks rotation.22:23
gmann#link  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation22:23
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gmannAny volunteer for next week?22:23
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masayukiggmann: I'll do it.22:24
gmannmasayukig: great. Thanks22:24
gmannI will send a mail also for rotation volunteer.22:24
gmannfor coming weeks of jan feb march22:25
gmann#action gmann to send mail for bug rotation22:25
masayukiggmann: ok. cool.22:25
gmannanything else on bug from anyone?22:25
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gmannok, let's move to next topic22:26
gmann#topic Critical Reviews22:26
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gmannDkarnz mentioned some of them22:27
gmannfor client return value22:27
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gmannone is merged another to review is https://review.openstack.org/14447322:27
masayukiggmann: yeah. but both are already merged :)22:27
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/14447322:27
gmannoh cool22:28
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gmannmasayukig: you too fast :)22:28
gmannmasayukig: thanks22:28
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gmannone from my side22:28
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/145209/22:28
gmanndependent patch (i want to rebase on another patch)can be reworked after this patch22:29
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gmannany other reviews anyone want to bring up22:30
masayukiggmann: I'll review it later.22:30
gmannmasayukig: Thanks22:30
gmannany thing to discuss22:31
masayukignothing from me so far22:32
gmannmasayukig: ok22:32
gmannok, if there is nothing else, we'll end here. little bit early  :)22:33
masayukiggmann: :)22:33
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gmannThanks everyone for joining the meeting. have a great day/night :)22:34
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gmann#endmeeting22:34
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masayukigthanks all22:34
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