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| Daisy | Who is around for I18n meeting? | 08:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Daisy | We will start now | 08:00 |
| ujuc | me | 08:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 08:00:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:00 |
| ujuc | Ah~ ;) | 08:00 |
| Daisy | Nice to see you, ujuc | 08:00 |
| ujuc | Hi :) | 08:01 |
| epico | hi, Daisy | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Good afternoon, epico | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Fdot: will you join us? | 08:01 |
| Fdot | hello Daisy | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Hi, welcome | 08:02 |
| Fdot | Yes I am here :) | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Let's start. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | #topic Preparation for Paris summit | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Preparation for Paris summit (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 08:02 | |
| Daisy | We will have two or three sessions related with our team. | 08:03 |
| Daisy | The first one is translator meetup. | 08:03 |
| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/paris_translators_meetup | 08:03 |
| Daisy | Many thanks to team's input. | 08:03 |
| Daisy | We have a good shape now. | 08:03 |
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| Daisy | There is only 40 minutes. | 08:03 |
| Daisy | I will move "translation tool discussion" out of this session. | 08:04 |
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| Daisy | I think, we are possible to cover these topics in 40 minutes. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | While discussion in Paris, we will follow the current sequence in the Etherpad. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | If we cannot finish on time, we could have special "project pod" to continue the discussion. | 08:06 |
| Daisy | The "translation tool discussion" will be a separate session. | 08:06 |
| Daisy | Ely from Infrastructure team is helping us to apply for a slot in infrastructure track. I will let you know the time after it is scheduled. | 08:07 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, hello | 08:07 |
| Daisy | Hi, chandankumar | 08:07 |
| Daisy | I thought you were in vacation. | 08:07 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, just back right now :) | 08:08 |
| Daisy | I raised a request in QA slot to discuss translation test. I'm not sure if it will be arranged. | 08:08 |
| Daisy | By the way, in order to prepare for the translation tool discussion, I will need some testers to help go through the trials of Pootle and Zanata. | 08:09 |
| Daisy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translation-tools-comparation | 08:09 |
| Daisy | I create a simple survey. I would like a volunteer from each translation team to go through the test websites of Pootle and Zanata, give the feedbacks in the Etherpad page. | 08:10 |
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| Daisy | chandankumar: could you help to test the trials? | 08:10 |
| Daisy | ujuc: could you help? | 08:10 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, yes sure | 08:10 |
| Daisy | Fdot: could you ask somebody help to test the trials? | 08:11 |
| Fdot | Daisy: yes I can :) | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Thanks. | 08:11 |
| ujuc | Daisy: yes :) | 08:11 |
| Fdot | I am going to send an e-mail today based on the etherpad content ;) | 08:11 |
| Daisy | Thank you, Fdot. | 08:12 |
| Daisy | any questions for the summit or comments? | 08:12 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, is it possible to join the paris translation meetup through irc? | 08:13 |
| Daisy | OK. Let's move on. | 08:13 |
| Daisy | A good suggestion, chandankumar | 08:13 |
| chandankumar | i have added one item : fuel-cloud on the etherpad. | 08:13 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, may be i can discuss there through irc. | 08:14 |
| Daisy | I will help you to figure out how to join this session remotely. | 08:14 |
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| Daisy | It's Tuesday, November 4 • 17:30 - 18:10 | 08:15 |
| Daisy | Is the time suitable to you? | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, yes | 08:15 |
| Daisy | OK, great. | 08:15 |
| chandankumar | it is in UTC ? | 08:15 |
| Daisy | I think, Paris time, locale time. | 08:15 |
| Daisy | local time | 08:15 |
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| Daisy | chandankumar: please check if the time is ok for you. We will move on. | 08:16 |
| chandankumar | Daisy, ok | 08:16 |
| Fdot | chandankumar: it is UTC+2 ;) | 08:17 |
| ujuc | :) | 08:17 |
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| Daisy | #topic How to handle with translation assets | 08:17 |
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| Daisy | "translation assets" here, mean our translations in old releases. | 08:17 |
| Daisy | They are our assets. | 08:17 |
| Daisy | Now we have a considerable assets in Horizon translation now. | 08:18 |
| Daisy | Generally speaking, translation tool will help us to build these assets into translation memory. | 08:19 |
| Daisy | in Transifex, even we delete them, the TM will save them into memory. | 08:19 |
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| Daisy | amotoki initiated two mail thread to discuss: (1) whether the old translation allow to be updated (2) whether the old translation resources should be kept in Transifiex | 08:21 |
| Daisy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-October/000799.html | 08:21 |
| Daisy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2014-October/000798.html | 08:21 |
| Daisy | I'm going to start the discussion from the first one: whether the old translations allow to be updated. | 08:21 |
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| chandankumar | Daisy, we can remove the old translation as translations are saved in TM. | 08:22 |
| Daisy | how do you think, ujuc and Fdot? Do you have requirements to update the old versions of Horizon? | 08:22 |
| ujuc | no. | 08:22 |
| Daisy | chandankumar: do you have requirements to update the old versions of Horizon? | 08:23 |
| Fdot | Daisy: no :) | 08:23 |
| chandankumar | no | 08:23 |
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| Daisy | The update of old versions seldom happen. | 08:23 |
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| Daisy | chandankumar: I need to ask Zanata dev team to check how things happen in Zanata after we remove some resources. | 08:24 |
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| Daisy | OK. Then we could make a rule there: | 08:25 |
| chandankumar | yes | 08:25 |
| Daisy | accept translations only for the latest stable release. | 08:25 |
| Daisy | import translations 3 days before the update of stable version is released. | 08:26 |
| Daisy | I don't know if the second point is OK. I need to check with amotoki. | 08:27 |
| jpich | I think it's ok, but it's a manual process | 08:27 |
| jpich | so it's good to let the developers know that there are new translations and they should import them | 08:28 |
| Daisy | But anyway, there is chances to update translations before the stable update release. | 08:28 |
| jpich | Absolutely :) | 08:28 |
| Daisy | OK, jpich | 08:28 |
| Daisy | Thanks for reminder. And somebody need to take care of it. | 08:28 |
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| Daisy | I don't know if there is automatic alert in translation tools if the old translations are updated. | 08:29 |
| jpich | Maybe the developers can try by doing an import locally, they should see if there are changes... | 08:30 |
| jpich | If there's a new language to be added though we'll need to be notified separately | 08:30 |
| Daisy | I could take care of this action. If horizon is going to release a update version, some developer tells me. I ask in ML about which languages would like to have the update. | 08:30 |
| jpich | Sounds good. The stable release schedule should be added to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranchRelease#Planned_stable.2Ficehouse_releases once they're decided for Juno | 08:31 |
| jpich | probably in a week or two | 08:31 |
| Daisy | OK. | 08:31 |
| jpich | Cool! | 08:31 |
| Daisy | So we move to the second one question: whether the old translation resources should be kept in Transifiex | 08:32 |
| Daisy | my answer is: if the old translations could be built into TM and there is no update requirements ( not the last stable version ), we should delete them. | 08:33 |
| Daisy | so I need to check if the deleted resources would be kept in TM. | 08:33 |
| Fdot | Daisy: can we keep the 2 versions ? | 08:33 |
| Fdot | 2 + 1 current | 08:33 |
| Daisy | Why 2 ? | 08:33 |
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| jpich | If you can update the TM and want to delete the old translations, I think it would make sense to do it at the same time than the schedule for the code releases (for instance, the Havana branches were deleted from the repositories a few weeks ago) | 08:34 |
| Daisy | we have 1 current, 1 latest stable release. | 08:34 |
| Daisy | do we need to keep more ? | 08:34 |
| Fdot | Daisy: 1 + 1 it is good :) | 08:34 |
| ujuc | 1 + 1 ~~ :) | 08:34 |
| chandankumar | 1 + 1 | 08:35 |
| jpich | Just for background: the code usually keeps 2 stable branches, though the one two releases ago tends to be a bit more ignored (or only security fixes) | 08:35 |
| Daisy | jpich: I cannot understand you long sentence. | 08:35 |
| jpich | eep, sorry! | 08:35 |
| Daisy | ok, that make sense, jpich | 08:35 |
| jpich | I meant, if you want to delete old translations, maybe we can delete them as the same time as the developers delete the code branches (since translations can't be imported after that, either) | 08:36 |
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| Daisy | codes keep 2 stables. The result of our discussion just now is to keep 1 stable and 1 current. | 08:37 |
| jpich | Got it | 08:37 |
| Daisy | so I'm done now, and give the time to you. | 08:38 |
| Daisy | #open discussions | 08:38 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussions | 08:38 |
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| Daisy | Who has topics to talk? Please speak out. | 08:38 |
| Daisy | no? | 08:39 |
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| Fdot | not for me :) | 08:39 |
| ujuc | no | 08:39 |
| Daisy | ok. Then we could close the meeting and you could come back to your work. | 08:39 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 08:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:40 | |
| Fdot | thanks a lot Daisy :) | 08:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 08:40:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-10-16-08.00.html | 08:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-10-16-08.00.txt | 08:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-10-16-08.00.log.html | 08:40 |
| Fdot | Have a good day/night everybody :) | 08:40 |
| Daisy | Thank you all. I think we have an efficient meeting. :) | 08:40 |
| Daisy | Have a good day, everyone. Thank you for joining. | 08:41 |
| ujuc | Thansk :) | 08:41 |
| jpich | Thanks :) | 08:41 |
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| epico | Thanks | 08:41 |
| ujuc | :) bye :) | 08:41 |
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| chandankumar | Thanks :) | 08:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 14:00:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Juno | 14:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its shipped, and tagged now | 14:00 |
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| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 14:01:11 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-16-14.00.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-16-14.00.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-16-14.00.log.html | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops, wrong place | 14:01 |
| blogan | lol | 14:01 |
| blogan | i was wondering | 14:01 |
| jgrimm | heh | 14:01 |
| rm_work | yeah i was just SO confused | 14:01 |
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| blogan | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 14:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is blogan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 14:02 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 14:02 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 14:02 |
| blogan | this is probably goign to be a quick meeting | 14:03 |
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| evgenyf | hi | 14:03 |
| blogan | dougwig you around? | 14:03 |
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| blogan | #topic ssl termination status | 14:04 |
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| ptoohill | Is evgeny around? | 14:04 |
| blogan | evgenyf: you have any updates on this? | 14:04 |
| evgenyf | I'm here | 14:04 |
| ptoohill | cool | 14:04 |
| evgenyf | Just pushed patch with some migration script change | 14:04 |
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| ptoohill | Awesome! | 14:05 |
| evgenyf | is there update for Barbican integration? | 14:06 |
| ptoohill | rm_work ^ ? | 14:06 |
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| ptoohill | I know hes been updating specs/white boards, not sure about actual code as of yet | 14:06 |
| rm_work | err | 14:07 |
| ptoohill | but | 14:07 |
| rm_work | yeah, so basically it is done | 14:07 |
| ptoohill | awesome! | 14:07 |
| rm_work | but | 14:07 |
| blogan | done with trusts? | 14:07 |
| rm_work | python-barbicanclient v3 isn't released yet | 14:07 |
| ptoohill | o | 14:07 |
| rm_work | so it only works with the version from github | 14:07 |
| evgenyf | Is barbican out of incubation? | 14:07 |
| rm_work | also no | 14:08 |
| blogan | is it being out of incubation a requirement for us to use? | 14:08 |
| rm_work | ALSO ALSO, as blogan points out, it is currently implemented with Keystone Trusts | 14:08 |
| rm_work | which will not actually be what we use, it is now looking like we will use a different mechanism to share user secrets | 14:08 |
| rm_work | Barbican is working to implement a system internally to accomodate us better | 14:09 |
| blogan | ah that would be great | 14:09 |
| ptoohill | Rackspace internal? | 14:09 |
| rm_work | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127353/ | 14:09 |
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| rm_work | no | 14:09 |
| ptoohill | oh | 14:09 |
| rm_work | just internal to barbican, instead of relying on keystone | 14:10 |
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| ptoohill | gotcha | 14:10 |
| rm_work | so yeah, this is good news | 14:10 |
| rm_work | should be much less complicated | 14:10 |
| blogan | will that be done by kilo? | 14:10 |
| blogan | any idea? | 14:10 |
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| rm_work | so I guess I should revise to "barbican integration is there, but will be changing again" >_> | 14:11 |
| rm_work | blogan: targetted for kilo yes | 14:11 |
| rm_work | I'll probably be the one that ends up writing it | 14:11 |
| blogan | no | 14:11 |
| rm_work | whether during work hours or not >_> | 14:11 |
| blogan | they're using you! | 14:12 |
| blogan | only jorgem can use you | 14:12 |
| rm_work | anyway, that's my update on that | 14:12 |
| blogan | okay | 14:12 |
| ptoohill | Eh, we really want this out, it is what it is, do what we gotta do | 14:12 |
| blogan | #topic v2 reviews | 14:12 |
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| blogan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123468/ | 14:13 |
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| blogan | still need to get +1 (and more importantly, +2's) on that review | 14:13 |
| blogan | +1's will make it more visible though | 14:13 |
| blogan | markmcclain, mestery: any chance we can get the first +2 on that soon? if one of you are around | 14:13 |
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| ptoohill | I need to update this a bit also, if its still something we care to work on. The barbican integration points in the plugin most likely need tweaking with rm_works changes. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126381/ | 14:13 |
| mestery | blogan: I'll take a peek sir! | 14:13 |
| evgenyf | blogan: What is the policy for approving patch set in branch? Should it be just one +2? | 14:14 |
| blogan | evgenyf: still two +2's | 14:14 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: then benefit is that the feature does not need to be fully complete | 14:14 |
| mestery | blogan: markmcclain is on vacation today/tomorrow, I'll work with another core to get this in | 14:14 |
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| blogan | mestery: thanks mestery | 14:14 |
| blogan | lol | 14:14 |
| blogan | too early for me | 14:14 |
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| mestery | lol | 14:15 |
| ptoohill | :P | 14:15 |
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| blogan | #topic open discussion | 14:16 |
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| evgenyf | blogan: I meesed some previous meetings, what is the procedure of merging the LBaaS v2 package back to master when it's ready? | 14:16 |
| evgenyf | *missed | 14:16 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: there's still a "graduation" process, so it will still need to be approved by core reviewers and it must be complete | 14:17 |
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| evgenyf | blogan: will there be a need to make new change sets on master branch and abondon current change sets? | 14:18 |
| blogan | evgenyf: you mean another huge review on master with everything implemented in the feature branch? | 14:19 |
| evgenyf | yes | 14:19 |
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| rm_work | i feel like that's what they've bought for themselves with this <_< | 14:20 |
| blogan | i believe they'll just merge the branches, but that I am sure is subject to change because that can bring up merging nightmares, especially with migrations | 14:20 |
| rm_work | welcome to the largest review in history, as we do a review for a merge of our entire branch | 14:20 |
| evgenyf | migrations sequence cana be changes according to master just before the merge | 14:21 |
| blogan | from what I can tell there is no concrete process, we're probably the guinea pigs on this | 14:21 |
| evgenyf | :( | 14:21 |
| rm_work | yeah I imagine we'll have to pull new code from master into our branch periodically | 14:21 |
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| TrevorV | rm_work which arguably should be done anyway | 14:21 |
| blogan | yeah and I believe markmcclain said he'd be the one who does that | 14:21 |
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| blogan | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 14:23 |
| blogan | alright | 14:24 |
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| blogan | thanks for coming, have a good day | 14:24 |
| blogan | #endmeeting | 14:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 14:24:57 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-16-14.01.html | 14:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-16-14.01.txt | 14:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-16-14.01.log.html | 14:25 |
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| eglynn-office | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 15:00:10 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn-office. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| eglynn-office | hey y'all | 15:00 |
| gordc | o/ | 15:00 |
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| DinaBelova | hey! | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| pradk | o/ | 15:00 |
| nsaje | o/ | 15:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
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| fabiog_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn-office | #topic Juno close-out | 15:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn-office | consider it closed! :) | 15:01 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
| idegtiarov | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn-office | thanks all for your efforts over juno :) | 15:01 |
| gordc | yay! | 15:01 |
| nsaje | yeehaw! | 15:02 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| gordc | agreed. good stuff all around. | 15:02 |
| eglynn-office | release notes could do with a final sanity check | 15:03 |
| eglynn-office | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Juno#OpenStack_Telemetry_.28Ceilometer.29 | 15:03 |
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| eglynn-office | note that cdent found a nasty issue in the new ipmi-agent when testing the packaging for Fedora | 15:03 |
| eglynn-office | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1381600 | 15:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1381600 in ceilometer/juno "ceilometer-agent-ipmi fails on unparseable data" [High,In progress] | 15:03 |
| eglynn-office | fix is landed, but too late to make the last RC | 15:03 |
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| eglynn-office | so we'll backport to stable/juno and the distros will have to carry as an extra patch | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, what do you think about idegtiarov's Mongo pathces backporting as well? | 15:04 |
| llu-laptop | eglynn-office: for the release notes, separate storage for alarm? | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | when they'll be landed for kilo? | 15:05 |
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| eglynn-office | llu-laptop: good point, I'll add that | 15:05 |
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| gordc | eglynn-office: i think we should add we support notification publisher now instead of rpc. (i think that was juno... or was it icehouse?) | 15:05 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: yes they can land for kilo, on the edge of suitability for stable though | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, okay, cool, let's think about if we need to backport them to juno when they'll land in Kilo | 15:06 |
| eglynn-office | gordc: a-ha, it was juno IIRC ... I'll check the log to be 100% sure | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, juno I believe | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn-office: yeah i think sileht got that in really early in the cycle. | 15:07 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, ++ | 15:07 |
| eglynn-office | gordc: yep, I think you're right | 15:07 |
| ildikov | it was Juno | 15:07 |
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| ityaptin | o/ | 15:07 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: here's the stable policy ... https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StableBranch#Appropriate_Fixes | 15:07 |
| gordc | cool cool. yeah let's add that in. | 15:07 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, thanks, will o through it for sure | 15:07 |
| eglynn-office | cool, anything else on Juno? | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, U just don't like the idea keeping this replica set bug in the juno.... | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | I* | 15:08 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: yep, I understand | 15:09 |
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| eglynn-office | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:09 |
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| eglynn-office | jlibosva: | 15:09 |
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| eglynn-office | darn tab completion! | 15:09 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: anything notable in gnocchi-land? | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, I guess you wanted to say "jd__ - floor is yours!" | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:10 |
| jd__ | hi guys | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | I'm still writing documentation | 15:10 |
| jd__ | I'm off this week so it got a little delayed | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | sileht made good progress toward aggregation of entities | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, btw, thank you so much for this effort! ityaptin spent much time on gnocchi investigation while its perf testing becasue of docco lack | 15:11 |
| jd__ | I need to review the dispatcher, but sounds like sileht did good stuff too | 15:11 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: I can send the doc for review now if you want and if that can already help ityaptin | 15:11 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: yeah, there's a proposal on getting around the circularity issue based on project_id | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, eglynn-office - ityaptin will share the doc in a hour | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, thanks! | 15:11 |
| jd__ | it's not finished but I can update the patchset when I advance | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | it'll be really cool | 15:11 |
| jd__ | eglynn-office: I missed that where it is? | 15:12 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128922/ | 15:12 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: ok I'll push it today and will send the link on IRC if | 15:12 |
| jd__ | s/if// | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | jd, thank you sir! | 15:12 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: cool, the suspense is killing me! :) | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office :D | 15:12 |
| jd__ | eglynn-office: ok that's just me not yet up to date on my mails then :) | 15:12 |
| * jd__ is visiting Raleigh | 15:13 | |
| ityaptin | folks, I'll share the doc today - you'll have the opportunity to look on current perf with swift | 15:13 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: isn't there a law against reading mails while on vacation? :) | 15:13 |
| ityaptin | jd__, sileht, but I found one issue with dispatcher auth | 15:13 |
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| sileht | ityaptin, Yes I disable it for now :p | 15:14 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: a-ha, got it, the new mothership :) | 15:14 |
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| sileht | an other issue I have is that we need to limit the number of parallel request that the dispatcher does to gnocchi | 15:14 |
| ityaptin | sileht, yeah, I noticed | 15:15 |
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| eglynn-office | sileht: is that issue with the acks being delayed untill all threads return really a bug (or a feature) in oslo.messaging? | 15:15 |
| jd__ | eglynn-office: yeah I'm off for upstream work not for work ;) | 15:16 |
| sileht | eglynn-office, this is the normal behavior, but it's worth for this usecase | 15:16 |
| ityaptin | sileht, yes! I tested it with make_test_data script form ceilometer/tools, and it's working in one thread how i supposed it will be. | 15:16 |
| ityaptin | I had not enough time to use TSDB, yet. | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | I'll try to collect TSDB results asap | 15:17 |
| ityaptin | to have the opportunity to use these results for the summit talk | 15:17 |
| eglynn-office | ityaptin: great, thanks! | 15:17 |
| jd__ | ityaptin: can you talk about these results yet? I'm curious | 15:17 |
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| sileht | eglynn-office, we want that the message is not ack until the gnocchi calls are done, but we don't want process a millions of samples in parallel because eventlet thing is good to continue to process messages | 15:18 |
| _nadya_ | ityaptin: you gonna use Dina's patch set for tsdb? which is on review now? | 15:18 |
| _nadya_ | ityaptin: or smth is already merged? | 15:18 |
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| eglynn-office | sileht: a-ha, got it ... I was wondering if each individual ack could be done eagerly after the individual POST to gnocchi returned | 15:19 |
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| eglynn-office | (instead of waiting for all the gnocchi calls to complete, IIUC) | 15:19 |
| ityaptin | with dispatcher I have several issues at the moment, but post entities and post measures show stable results for big amount | 15:19 |
| sileht | eglynn-office, yes I'm trying to build something like that | 15:19 |
| eglynn-office | sileht: a-ha, cool! | 15:20 |
| jd__ | Gnocchi doc WIP https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128958/ | 15:20 |
| ityaptin | jd__: One entity post nearly 0.5 sec, 1k measures - near 0.5 sec as well | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | ityaptin: sounds like everything scales out :) | 15:21 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: nice! | 15:21 |
| ityaptin | _nadya_: Yes, I am going to pull Dina's patchset and try to deploy and configure OpenTSBD | 15:21 |
| gordc | jd__: who drew the picture? | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, eglynn-office - we're supposing it'll look much better for the TSDB | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, thanks for the link | 15:21 |
| jd__ | gordc: my little bro | 15:21 |
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| eglynn-office | LOL :) | 15:22 |
| _nadya_ | ityaptin: ok, I will add some comments there | 15:22 |
| jd__ | gordc: http://instagram.com/p/rwuDnDgOqj/ | 15:22 |
| ityaptin | _nadya_ : cool) | 15:22 |
| gordc | jd__: :) so you paid a beer. | 15:22 |
| jd__ | gordc: indeed! :) | 15:23 |
| eglynn-office | I see the family resemblence there :) | 15:23 |
| eglynn-office | cool, shall we move to the summit topics discussion? | 15:23 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:23 | |
| eglynn-office | #topic Kilo summit design session topics | 15:23 |
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| eglynn-office | so the idea was to do a quick pitch for each idea | 15:24 |
| jd__ | do you want to pich this idea about doing pitches? | 15:24 |
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| DinaBelova | Well, I may start first, as I need to collaborate with eglynn-office for our topics :) | 15:25 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: well, do you think the topics are fully self-explanatory as it stands? | 15:25 |
| eglynn-office | if so, no need for pitches per se | 15:26 |
| jd__ | eglynn-office: maybe you want to relink the google doc? | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | or we can just go through the list of proposals in the order they are placed in the doc | 15:26 |
| eglynn-office | #link http://bit.ly/kilo-ceilometer-summit-topics | 15:26 |
| jd__ | eglynn-office: I think it's going to be long to pitch everything right now if that's what you have in mind | 15:27 |
| eglynn-office | OK, let's make the "pitch" element optional | 15:27 |
| pradk | perhaps eglynn-office or someone can go through one by one and ask if more info needed? if not move on? | 15:27 |
| gordc | do these all have bps? | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, gnocchi ones no, I believe | 15:28 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: not all of them | 15:28 |
| eglynn-office | just shout "pass" if the topic summary on the spreadsheet is sufficient | 15:28 |
| gordc | nm.. i just saw the column... | 15:28 |
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| gordc | stupid half screen. | 15:28 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: yeah, I added that :-) | 15:28 |
| gordc | fabiog_: good idea | 15:28 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: "Bringing Gnocchi and Ceilometer together" anything to add there? | 15:28 |
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| jd__ | I think that some of these sessions are not properly aligned with our Gnocchi effort | 15:28 |
| jd__ | eglynn-office: I think it speaks for itself? :) | 15:29 |
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| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: I would like to know what is the scope | 15:29 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: would it cover migration/co-existence also? | 15:29 |
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| jd__ | eglynn-office: whatever we think it should; co-existence is my favorite | 15:31 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: your proposal might be connected to this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105130/ | 15:31 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: cool | 15:31 |
| ildikov | eglynn-office: jd__: it should IMHO | 15:31 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: does Gnocchi need to go to incubation before becoming a co-existing tool for Ceilometer? | 15:31 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: don't know how much overlap but i think it's tackling same problem. | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog_, there is the idea to merge this code to ceilo after POC will be tested ok | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | so it won't be the separated repo/project | 15:32 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: yes, somthing similar like that | 15:32 |
| jd__ | it's a telemetry project we don't need incubation | 15:32 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova: or it might :) | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, yeah | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | anyway, it's integrated telemetry program | 15:32 |
| eglynn-office | k, we don't need to foreshadow the summit discussion | 15:32 |
| jd__ | if we agree yes :) | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | like sahara folks are having stackforge repos as well - for the tools | 15:32 |
| * jd__ nods | 15:32 | |
| gordc | llu-laptop: cool cool. seems like a logical problem to fix. | 15:33 |
| eglynn-office | cool | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, sorry | 15:33 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: "Role Base Access Control for Ceilometer API" anything to add? | 15:33 |
| jd__ | that's policy implementation? | 15:33 |
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| jd__ | oh yes that's it (just read the doc :p) | 15:33 |
| fabiog_ | jd__: yes. currently we have a very limited ability to define who can do what | 15:33 |
| jd__ | +1 for this | 15:33 |
| jd__ | though i'm not sure we need to _discuss_, I think we need to _act_ | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, fabiog_ - I remembber we had Bp for this | 15:34 |
| jd__ | yes we have already | 15:34 |
| fabiog_ | jd__: basically is to have policy enforcement against rules | 15:34 |
| jd__ | we just need someone to do the work | 15:34 |
| eglynn-office | yep, in general if the path ahead is clear, less need for a summit discussion | 15:34 |
| fabiog_ | jd__: I can work on this. I have some experience with KS | 15:34 |
| gordc | agreed | 15:35 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: coolness, sorry I took that topic out of order | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | really +1 for just implementing | 15:35 |
| gordc | sweet! resource! | 15:35 |
| eglynn-office | yep | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | I guess KS expert might impl it much better than any of us | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | and with better result | 15:35 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: "Individual Meter/Sample Retention Policy" anything to add? | 15:35 |
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| jd__ | I already commented on this one that it's kind of orthogonal with Gnocchi AFAIU | 15:36 |
| eglynn-office | seems this falls out of gnocchi very naturally | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, yeah, it | 15:36 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: I think we lack of the ability here to remove extra messages | 15:36 |
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| DinaBelova | is definitely part of this initiative * | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog_, hmm, extra messages? | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | sorry, I possibly ca'nt get the point | 15:36 |
| jd__ | samples I guess? | 15:36 |
| fabiog_ | DinaBelova: yes notifications. Oslo does not control what is sent. So we need to filter | 15:37 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: samples for one meter being retained for longer than another meter | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha, ok, got it | 15:37 |
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| fabiog_ | DinaBelova: especially for Billing. You don't need all the notfications | 15:37 |
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| DinaBelova | well, but anyway it seems to need be reviewed as a gnocchi part | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | amiright? | 15:38 |
| eglynn-office | k, sounds like something that would be useful, though essentially covered by one aspect of gnocchi | 15:38 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: "Notification Filter" anything to add there? | 15:38 |
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| nealph | fabiog_, DinaBelova: there is some suggestion of work on this in Oslo, too. | 15:38 |
| nealph | So for discussion, perhaps visit that too. | 15:38 |
| nealph | I think it might not be sufficient, but should be considered. | 15:39 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: sorry I got them confused | 15:39 |
| fabiog_ | I was talking about notifcation filters right now | 15:39 |
| eglynn-office | doesn't the existing pipeline allow us to filter out meters, and hence the notifications that gave rise to these samples? | 15:39 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: not for notifications AFAIK | 15:39 |
| jd__ | I'd think so too | 15:39 |
| cdent | meta note: I think we should prioritize the in person meetings for those things which aren't far enough along to even know what to spec | 15:40 |
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| * eglynn-office doesn't understand the need for additional filtering out for notifications | 15:40 | |
| eglynn-office | cdent: agreed in general | 15:40 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: I would like to have the same ability to express the meters I am interested that are coming from notifications | 15:40 |
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| eglynn-office | cdent: so the question is not so much "do we want to do this?" more "would this profit from F2F discussion?" | 15:41 |
| gordc | fabiog_: that should exist. (if not, it's a bug) | 15:41 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: a-ha, got it | 15:41 |
| fabiog_ | gordc: No, it does exist if you sent stuff to Events | 15:41 |
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| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: because we cannot control what a service emits as notification, but we can filter it at our end if it is not of any interest | 15:42 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: does it make sense? | 15:42 |
| llu-laptop | fabiog_: do you mean that you want to disable some notification listener in ceilo? | 15:43 |
| nealph | gordc: afaik notifier takes all "handled" events and republishes.... | 15:43 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: yeah, I'd need to check if the pipeline source filtering also applies to notification-driven samples on the publish | 15:43 |
| jd__ | does not sound like we need F2F for that | 15:43 |
| eglynn-office | yeah, defo sounds useful, but not necessarily a f2f topic | 15:43 |
| fabiog_ | llu-laptop: no I want to remove the notifications from the queue and just drop them if not in the list of things I want to retain | 15:43 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: yep, got it now ... sorry for being dense there! | 15:44 |
| eglynn-office | nealph: "Configuration (pipeline) using persistent data store" anything to add? | 15:44 |
| ildikov | fabiog_: I support this idea | 15:44 |
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| jd__ | so: Gnocchi, Monasca, in-tree func tests, Kafka, Notif contracts these are my pick for things that'd benefit from F2F discussion, the rest doesn't need that IMHO | 15:44 |
| fabiog_ | ildikov: thanks :-) | 15:44 |
| nealph | eglynn-office: nothing specific to add. Etherpad up at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/configuration_via_data_store | 15:45 |
| eglynn-office | nealph: thanks, nice! | 15:45 |
| jd__ | eglynn-office: ^ summarized for you :p | 15:45 |
| eglynn-office | jd__: cool | 15:45 |
| nealph | thanks to ildikov for helping drive it. Fabio will be my proxy at the summit. :) | 15:45 |
| ildikov | fabiog_: I'm a great fan of better configuration or well let's say a bit more fine-grained | 15:45 |
| eglynn-office | cool | 15:46 |
| eglynn-office | eglynn "Functional areas to target for collaboration with Monasca" anything to add? | 15:46 |
| ildikov | nealph: cool, I think it would be a great thing to have | 15:46 |
| eglynn-office | nope, self explanatory | 15:47 |
| * jd__ notes the schizophrenic behaviour | 15:47 | |
| eglynn-office | LOL :) | 15:47 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_, nealph: "Apply Limit/Next for open ended queries" anything to add? | 15:47 |
| llu-laptop | is this related to pagination? | 15:47 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: yes. This could be also solved implementing pagination. I noted that Ceilo does not support that | 15:48 |
| nealph | llu-laptop: that or an alternative. | 15:48 |
| eglynn-office | kind of a default limit if none specified? | 15:48 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: I prefere this simple limit and next approach | 15:48 |
| llu-laptop | I think pagination is paritally supported, sad though | 15:48 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: yes in the config | 15:48 |
| eglynn-office | cool, got it | 15:48 |
| gordc | fabiog_: agree we need a limit... don't know if we need a session for it. | 15:48 |
| nealph | llu-laptop: eglynn-office: this is really a performance concern, as Horizon implements a wide-open query. | 15:48 |
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| * jd__ doesn't want to hear about pagination anymore | 15:49 | |
| llu-laptop | jd__: LOL, terrible past | 15:49 |
| jd__ | we lost at least a developer over that | 15:49 |
| eglynn-office | sounds like one for the contributor meetup on the Firday perhaps? | 15:49 |
| gordc | jd__: lol it's back! | 15:49 |
| jd__ | :-) | 15:49 |
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| nealph | jd__:I've heard rumors.... :) | 15:49 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn-office: sure | 15:49 |
| jd__ | I'll make a tshirt for it | 15:49 |
| eglynn-office | eglynn "Switchover to in-tree functional tests" anything to add? | 15:50 |
| eglynn-office | nope, self explanatory | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | and definitely we need it | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | imho | 15:50 |
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| eglynn-office | yep, it'll be a big deal for kilo if QA and the gate is to scale | 15:50 |
| cdent | def needs to be some chat on how | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, ++ | 15:50 |
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| eglynn-office | cdent: absolutely ... heat & neutron have blazed the trail somewhat | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | I need to know how to make all this thing tested :D Vadim will kill me without the decision :D | 15:51 |
| eglynn-office | cdent: /me needs to crib from their play-book | 15:51 |
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| eglynn-office | eglynn "Mapping gnocchi semantics to InfluxDB" anything to add? | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, I would suggest to merge our two sessions (InfluxDB / OpenTSDB) into the one. They seem to be most valuable backends for the future, so we need to find out the most performant wrapper to fit both of them + Swift. | 15:51 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: yep, sounds good | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | InfluxDB has new features released that’ll help continuous aggregation, OpenTSDB has no retention policies for now (although HBase has), they have different aggregation functions, etc. - we need to map gnocchi terms to the terms of these DBs | 15:52 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: do want to update the spreadsheet to consolidate? | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | well, yeah, why not | 15:52 |
| gordc | eglynn-office: is Paul Dix planning on attending (do we need him to?) | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, although it'll be ~40 mins I guess | 15:52 |
| eglynn-office | gordc: great question, I'll find out | 15:52 |
| DinaBelova | I guess if we’ll discuss Influx+OpenTSDB together, it might take 30 mins, in case of some preparations done by me and Eoghan (for each DB)... dunno for sure | 15:52 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, I'll fix the doc | 15:52 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: "Mapping gnocchi semantics to OpenTSDB" anythinh to add? | 15:53 |
| gordc | eglynn-office: cool cool | 15:53 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-office ^^ the same as for yours | 15:53 |
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| eglynn-office | cool | 15:53 |
| eglynn-office | pradk: "Metering Ceph storage cluster" anything to add? | 15:53 |
| DinaBelova | we need to merge them | 15:53 |
| eglynn-office | yep, agree | 15:53 |
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| pradk | eglynn-office, nothing much to add.. just that would be good one for face time with some ceph experts to bounce some ideas | 15:53 |
| fabiog_ | pradk: how different is from polling from Swift? | 15:53 |
| fabiog_ | pradk: or are you going to implement notifications | 15:54 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: ceph standalone as opposed backend for swift | 15:54 |
| eglynn-office | fabiog_: ceph standalone as opposed *to backend for swift | 15:54 |
| pradk | fabiog_, exactly what eglynn-office said | 15:54 |
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| eglynn-office | pradk: "Alarm Enhancements" anything to add? | 15:54 |
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| fabiog_ | pradk: sure, but are you going to poll or send notifications | 15:55 |
| pradk | eglynn-office, nothing much to add there. Just need some clarity on if this is possible or needs code.. we can discuss this at project pod if needed | 15:55 |
| eglynn-office | pradk: cool | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, fixed the docco | 15:55 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova: thx! | 15:55 |
| DinaBelova | np | 15:55 |
| eglynn-office | Yathiraj Udupi/ Debo Dutta "Kafka Publisher" anything to add? | 15:55 |
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| pradk | fabiog_, probably both | 15:55 |
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| eglynn-office | seems like it could maybe be rolled into the monasca session? | 15:56 |
| fabiog_ | pradk: thanks for the clarification | 15:56 |
| eglynn-office | llu-laptop: "pollster self-disable mechanism" anything to add? | 15:56 |
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| pradk | eglynn-office, i think there is someone who subj,fitted spec and code for kafka already? | 15:56 |
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| llu-laptop | not much, just want to find a way to not loading/running pollsters which is estimated to be faliure | 15:56 |
| eglynn-office | pradk: spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126964/ | 15:57 |
| eglynn-office | llu-laptop: "YAML definition for snmp metrics" anything to add? | 15:57 |
| eglynn-office | lsmola would like that :) | 15:57 |
| pradk | eglynn-office, code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126989/ | 15:58 |
| eglynn-office | pradk: thanks! | 15:58 |
| llu-laptop | just like gorc just pointed, it's similar to the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105130/ | 15:58 |
| eglynn-office | cdent: "Notifications {as-a-contract, standardization, maximization}" anything to add? | 15:58 |
| cdent | nope, I think the summary gets it | 15:59 |
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| eglynn-office | cdent: cool | 15:59 |
| gordc | cdent: you planning a cross proj session as well? | 15:59 |
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| cdent | well since I'm not going to be there, not me personally, but sandy walsh and I have been talking about it on the linked email thread | 15:59 |
| eglynn-office | anyone want to volunteer to lead/facilitate that session as cdent won't be there in person? | 16:00 |
| eglynn-office | k, at least we did a first pass on all topics | 16:00 |
| eglynn-office | can folks go away and think some and then start marking your interest on the spreadsheet | 16:01 |
| eglynn-office | remember we only have 6 slots | 16:01 |
| eglynn-office | thanks! | 16:01 |
| DinaBelova | thanks! | 16:01 |
| llu-laptop | time bell rings | 16:01 |
| gordc | laters | 16:01 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-office, quick update for the next topic - jd__, ildikov & I marked us for these common activities | 16:01 |
| eglynn-office | we're over time but justa quickie ... call for volunteers on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 16:01 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn-office ^^ | 16:01 |
| sgordon_ | >.> | 16:01 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: +1 | 16:01 |
| eglynn-office | DinaBelova, ildikov: thanks! | 16:01 |
| eglynn-office | k, beaten by the clock | 16:01 |
| eglynn-office | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 16:02:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-10-16-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-10-16-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-10-16-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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| sgordon_ | heyo | 16:03 |
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| sgordon_ | any takers for the nfv meeting? | 16:03 |
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| sgordon_ | #startmeeting nfv | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 16:03:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| cloudon | hi | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 16:03 |
| sgordon_ | #topic roll call | 16:03 |
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| * sgordon_ here | 16:03 | |
| cloudon | +1 | 16:03 |
| * beagles here | 16:04 | |
| sgordon_ | i suspect this will be a relatively quick affair | 16:04 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 16:04 |
| sgordon_ | #topic Review actions | 16:04 |
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| sgordon_ | #info imendel was to touch base with Michael (ETSI liaison) and clarify resource catalog requirement | 16:04 |
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| sgordon_ | no sign of imendel today so i will carry that over | 16:04 |
| sgordon_ | #action imendel to touch base with Michael (ETSI liaison) and clarify resource catalog requirement | 16:05 |
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| sgordon_ | #info steveg was to get BoF space | 16:05 |
| sgordon_ | ok | 16:05 |
| sgordon_ | so there was some discussion wrt BoFs on the community list | 16:05 |
| sgordon_ | and the sum total is there is still not going to be any formal way to reserve/book space other than the pods | 16:05 |
| sgordon_ | so we will have to do something similar to atlanta | 16:06 |
| sgordon_ | albeit attempting to lock in at least a time a little earlier... | 16:06 |
| sgordon_ | any strong preferences from those here? | 16:06 |
| sgordon_ | #action sgordon to email list regarding NFV BoF and preferred dates/times during summit | 16:06 |
| sgordon_ | #info May need to determine "place" for BoF on the ground based on POD availability etc. | 16:07 |
| cloudon | no particular preference | 16:07 |
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| sgordon_ | me either, just the knowledge that it is going to be a challenge to cater to everyone | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | :) | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | #topic juno status | 16:08 |
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| sgordon_ | #info 'it happened' | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | i believe thierry finalized the release from a technical perspective today | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | so right on schedule | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | #topic kilo status | 16:08 |
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| sgordon_ | #info specs repositories (and code repositories for that matter) are well and truly open for business | 16:09 |
| sgordon_ | #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/input-output-based-numa-scheduling has been resubmitted | 16:09 |
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| sgordon_ | #info Summit planning etherpads are shaping up here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning | 16:10 |
| cloudon | is luke gorrie here to comment on his Snabbswitch accel data plane & Kilo? | 16:10 |
| sgordon_ | i cant see him | 16:10 |
| sgordon_ | his usual nick is lukego i think | 16:10 |
| sgordon_ | #info Will Luke Gorrie be resubmitting Snabbswitch accelerated data plane work for Kilo? | 16:11 |
| sgordon_ | #action sgordon to follow up with luke | 16:11 |
| cloudon | ta | 16:11 |
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| sgordon_ | #topic other discussion | 16:11 |
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| sgordon_ | so that's my story, anything else anyone wants to cover today? | 16:11 |
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| sgordon_ | in particular any neutron specs resubmitted? | 16:12 |
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| marun | sgordon_: regarding snabb, we're considering a split out of vendor/plugin code in kilo | 16:12 |
| sgordon_ | i have mainly been trawling through nova-specs | 16:12 |
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| sgordon_ | marun, ack | 16:12 |
| marun | sgordon_: I'm not sure what advantage there would be in that case to being officially in tree vs carried outside. | 16:12 |
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| sgordon_ | #info Split out of neutron vendor/plugin code being considered for Kilo, would impact Snabb changes | 16:12 |
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| sgordon_ | marun, iirc his proposal got split such that there is some work on the nova side as well | 16:13 |
| marun | sgordon_: I've discussed pushing at least 3 use cases this cycle | 16:13 |
| sgordon_ | not sure how that plays out | 16:13 |
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| marun | sgordon_: vlan trunking, unaddressed interfaces and port mirroring should be feasible | 16:13 |
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| sgordon_ | #info marun discussing feasibility of vlan trunking, unaddressed interfaces and port mirroring for kilo | 16:14 |
| sgordon_ | marun, thanks muchly | 16:14 |
| jchapman | FYI: I/O (PCIe) based NUMA scheduling spec approved, thanks to core devs, Russell, Stephen and John | 16:14 |
| marun | sgordon_: I've confirmed that the implementation footprint should be minimal enough to justify implementation despite the declared focus on technical debt. | 16:14 |
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| marun | sgordon_: (of those specific features) | 16:14 |
| sgordon_ | marun, are those likely to require summit sessions to cover or discussed via M/L and spec review | 16:14 |
| sgordon_ | trawling through the etherpad i think they were all added at various points but it doesnt look like the neutron one has been culled yet | 16:15 |
| marun | sgordon_: definitely won't be discussed at summit, spec review and M/L should be sufficient. | 16:15 |
| sgordon_ | ack | 16:15 |
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| marun | sgordon_: they aren't terribly contentious or complex proposals, we'll just need to make sure that we're responsive to community feedback. | 16:16 |
| sgordon_ | #info implementation implications to be discussed via spec review and M/L (no summit session req.) | 16:16 |
| russellb | jchapman: :) | 16:16 |
| marun | sgordon_: Also, pushing very early in the cycle will be key to getting them in. | 16:16 |
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| sgordon_ | #info jchapman notes that I/O based NUMA scheduling spec has actually already been re-approved | 16:16 |
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| sgordon_ | marun, ack - i think that is a goal for everything tbh | 16:17 |
| sgordon_ | on the nova side how we go about actually achieving that is a pretty active discussion... | 16:17 |
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| sgordon_ | ('that' being having a better focus throughout the release cycle rather than only when we get to M-3) | 16:17 |
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| marun | sgordon_: I think having engaged reviewers to ensure quick turnaround is key. | 16:18 |
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| marun | sgordon_: having myself and armax on board to nfv efforts in neutron should make that possible this cycle. | 16:19 |
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| marun | to nfv -> to champion nfv | 16:19 |
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| sgordon_ | #info marun and armax aiming to champion nfv in neutron | 16:21 |
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| sgordon_ | #info aiming to work with reviewers to ensure a good feedback loop exists early | 16:21 |
| sgordon_ | marun, thanks again | 16:21 |
| armax | marun, sgordon_: we have to scope what this means though | 16:21 |
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| sgordon_ | well from a practical standpoint | 16:21 |
| sgordon_ | there is nfv and there is nfv, and that's part of the problem | 16:21 |
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| armax | marun, sgordon_: but we should be able to tackle the low-hanging fruits for sure | 16:21 |
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| sgordon_ | championing nfv doesnt mean championing all of the things necessarily | 16:22 |
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| sgordon_ | but what i have aimed to do with the broader group is focus on highlighting some low hanging fruit to prioritize | 16:23 |
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| sgordon_ | vlan trunking into vms and unaddressed interfaces/ports just keep coming up :) | 16:23 |
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| marun | sgordon_: Do you have visibility on features required to enable service vm orchestration by something other than neutron? | 16:24 |
| marun | sgordon_: e.g. heat? | 16:24 |
| sgordon_ | #info need to scope what 'championing nfv' actually means, not necessarily all of the things | 16:24 |
| sgordon_ | marun, no i dont believe i do | 16:24 |
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| sgordon_ | marun, there is awareness that nfv reqs are going to stretch to heat (even ignoring that case) | 16:25 |
| sgordon_ | but not much more imo | 16:25 |
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| marun | sgordon_: If the goal is to enable out-of-the-box support for service vm integration, we may need to do some prototyping. | 16:25 |
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| marun | sgordon_: though I was under the impression that many interested parties had already done so. | 16:25 |
| sgordon_ | marun, i think that's fair | 16:25 |
| sgordon_ | they may well have and i am just not aware of the results | 16:26 |
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| marun | sgordon_: I know there was an etherpad from the session in atlanta that documented the gaps. I'll try to dig it up. | 16:26 |
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| marun | sgordon_: I think teams from cisco and maybe intel were hacking neutron to get what they needed and documented what they needed to do to enable their specific use-cases. | 16:27 |
| marun | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/servicevm | 16:27 |
| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/servicevm | 16:27 |
| sgordon_ | #info prototyping of service vm integration | 16:28 |
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| sgordon_ | i noticed this was on the list of potential topics for summit again | 16:28 |
| sgordon_ | not surprisingly there is some overlap in that list with individual features we have been tracking here | 16:28 |
| marun | sgordon_: I'll revisit the requirements documented in that etherpad and see if I can extract the relevant use cases. | 16:29 |
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| marun | sgordon_: I don't think the issue is likely to get summit session time. | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | #action marun to revisit requirements from servicevm etherpad and attempt to extract relevant use cases | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | right | 16:29 |
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| marun | sgordon_: But that doesn't preclude having an informal session on friday with interested parties. | 16:30 |
| marun | sgordon_: I'm pushing for part or all of one of the neutron sessions to be devoted to lightning talks. | 16:30 |
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| marun | sgordon_: The idea being that topics that don't get formal session time could at least present the elevator pitch to interested parties, with the goal of collecting those people for informal meetings on friday. | 16:31 |
| sgordon_ | makes sense | 16:31 |
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| sgordon_ | thanks for your input marun | 16:32 |
| sgordon_ | i didnt have any other topics for the agenda today | 16:33 |
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| sgordon_ | so unless someone has a particular burning issue they would like to raise i will close the meeting | 16:33 |
| sgordon_ | i have a few AIs to follow up with on the M/L | 16:33 |
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| marun | sgordon_: thank you! | 16:34 |
| sgordon_ | #endmeeting nfv | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 16:34:27 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-10-16-16.03.html | 16:34 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 16 22:00:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 22:00 |
| andreaf | o/ | 22:00 |
| masayukig | o/ | 22:00 |
| dmorita | o/ | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | today's meeting is dedicate to discussing proposed session topics | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit Topic Discussion | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | the brainstorming etherpad is located here: | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-qa-summit-topics | 22:01 |
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| gmann | hi | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | so just a summary, we have 7 40min session slots | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | and then a 1 day shared room with infra and rel-mgt for a contributor meetup | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | I have an etherpad link for topics in that room | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | one sec let me pull it up | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | the rule of thumb is that we can use that meetup day for any topics which we'd like to discuss or collaborate on in person, but we don't think warrants a dedicated 40min block | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | also we should really be using the session slots for topics where we think it'll be good to get people from outside to participate in | 22:05 |
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| jgrimm | o/ | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | because that probably won't be the case with the meetup day | 22:05 |
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| mtreinish | so before we dive into the topics on the etherpad are there any questions or comments about the format for summit? | 22:06 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: for the day-long, are we sharing topics with infra or just the room? | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: well we're sharing the room with infra, we can also share topics but we don't have to | 22:07 |
| dkranz | k | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | I imagine if there are any topics with overlap and it doesn't really require outside discussion using the meetup would be better | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | for everyone who was at the midcycle in Darmstadt the meetup day will probably be similar to that | 22:08 |
| dmorita | I agree. Some topics have overlapping part. | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | ok, if there aren't any other questions about the summit format then let's start going through the etherpad | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | how about we start from the bottom | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | so, Gap analysis for using Tempest in production (not DevStack) environments | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: so I think this is a great topic, it's similar to what I was trying to address with the ux one | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | but I feel it's a distinct issue which we should dedicate time to | 22:11 |
| andreaf | +1 | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | did you have a feeling for the format you wanted? | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | for example did you think it would be better as a dedicated session or a more informal thing as part of the meetup? | 22:12 |
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| andreaf | perhaps a session would be good here | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | because I'd be fine with either, although I think the need for external comments probably means this makes more sense as a session | 22:12 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: +1 | 22:12 |
| andreaf | because it's really a topic where we could get input from people | 22:13 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Unless we go into the room with some concrete ideas to discuss, a session may be too short | 22:13 |
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| dmorita | I have one question. What is the difference from above topics like Web-GUI or Tempest UX? | 22:13 |
| masayukig | mtreinish, andreaf: Yeah, we should discuss that in ML too. | 22:13 |
| dkranz | andreaf: but yes, we could gather data, and then discuss on Friday | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah that is a concern | 22:13 |
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| andreaf | dkranz: sounds like a plan :) | 22:14 |
| dkranz | andreaf: I think there is potentially a lot of overlap with the other make-tempest-friendly-for-users items in the pad | 22:14 |
| masayukig | dkranz: agree. | 22:15 |
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| masayukig | dmorita: I think Web-GUI and Tempest UX are one of this topic. | 22:15 |
| dmorita | masayukig: ok | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: so you think we should combine those 3 topics and make that a single session? | 22:16 |
| dmorita | Good! and, you can be the session leader | 22:16 |
| dmorita | you -> masayukig | 22:16 |
| andreaf | dkranz, masayukig: yes there's a lot of overal, but I think the last topic on the pad is really specific issues like devstack specific defaults, cannot run without admin credentials, rate limiting and so forth | 22:17 |
| gmann | i think this can be a good session which can provide much input for UX, GUI topic | 22:17 |
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| andreaf | s/overal/overlap | 22:17 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: My concern is the time. Is 40 minutes enough for them..? | 22:17 |
| dkranz | I think that would be good but we should set expectations that unlike many sessions, this one is not about coming out with a decision | 22:17 |
| dkranz | And then continue on Friday | 22:18 |
| dkranz | With the intent of coming out of that with a plan | 22:18 |
| dkranz | So the session would be more about gathering input | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: hmm, dunno. I think dkranz is right we can always spill into friday if we need extra time | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I like that idea, we just need to make sure we advertise the session well | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | and probably make it earlier in the schedule | 22:19 |
| dkranz | ++ | 22:19 |
| gmann | dkranz: +1. Thats what i was thinking, to have this session for more on gathering input | 22:19 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: It would actually be good if all projects advertised particular sessions where they were looking for outside input | 22:20 |
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| dkranz | maybe send to ml | 22:20 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: ok. | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | ok, well that sounds like a plan then | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have any other comments on this topic? | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | ok then next up is: | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | Localization test: how to ensure qualities of localized OpenStack with translations | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | I was talking to Daisy about this earlier today | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | the basic issue is that occasionally (very infrequently) the tests (both tempest and unit tests) break with a specific locale enabled | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | it exposes real bugs in openstack, but we don't have a mechanism to test it | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | all the tests have been run manually | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | I think this is a good candidate for a periodic job | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | but I'm not sure we need a full session for discussing it | 22:24 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: well we run 26 (?) checks on each tempest change, we could inject a random localization in each of them | 22:25 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: "random" meaning the same for each job so that it's still ok to troubleshoot | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | on one hand it would be a good time for interaction between qa, infra, and i8ln | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: well aren't the log messages translated too? I'm not comfortable debugging logs from a random failure in a language I don't know :) | 22:26 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: it doesn't feel like something worth a full session though | 22:26 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: ah right, not tempest logs but the rest is | 22:27 |
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| dkranz | We could spend a little time on Friday | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, I'm thinking this would be a good meetup day topic. Or maybe a split session (20min on this 20min on something else) | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | well let's say it's a meetup topic for now, and depending on how the schedule looks at the end we maybe allocate a half slot for it | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | any objections? | 22:29 |
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| dmorita | it sounds good | 22:29 |
| masayukig | nope :) | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | ok cool, let's move onto the next one then | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | Auth interface design for testing various clusters (plus tempest-lib migration) | 22:30 |
| dmorita | It is my suggestion :) | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | dmorita: yep, I'm guess it's related to your spec I -2'd :) | 22:30 |
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| dmorita | I -2'd ? | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | dmorita: the spec to add non-keystone config to tempest that you wrote | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | I have a -2 sitting on it IIRC | 22:31 |
| dmorita | I see. Partially related. | 22:32 |
| dmorita | But main motivation is to enable Tempest "really" run tests to any OpenStack cluster. | 22:32 |
| andreaf | dmorita, mtreinish: the work I've done with the multi-auth bp should help switching auth provider | 22:33 |
| dmorita | Sub-motivation is migrating auth part to tempest-lib . | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah that's what I was thinking | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | dmorita: sure I think if we make the auth portion of tempest easy to consume and replace as part of tempest-lib that would make this easy | 22:33 |
| andreaf | dmorita: so do you mean clusters not running keystone for identity? | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | I still don't think we should support the swift auth mechanism in tempest, because it's swift specific | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | but if we have the lib interface stable you should be able to make one easily | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | and just plug it in for your use case | 22:34 |
| dmorita | mtreinish: yes. But, now it is difficult to write a specific driver for Tempest's auth by their own. | 22:34 |
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| dkranz | ++ I think until OpenStack should decide to de-integrate keystone this is outside of our core mission | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | dmorita: anyway this feels like a subtopic on tempest-lib, do you agree? | 22:35 |
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| dmorita | I want to show the analysis of current implementation, and to-be interface design. | 22:35 |
| dmorita | IMO, auth architecture is a little complicated so it seems necessary to describe a current implementation in detail. Therefore, a dedicated session is preferred. | 22:35 |
| dkranz | dmorita: A written description to the ml would make that much easier | 22:36 |
| dkranz | dmorita: I don't think we use these sessions to describe things | 22:36 |
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| dmorita | I think we need many eyes to discuss more other use cases and interface design. | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | yes I agree, if we prepare any explanatory material ahead of the sessions that will make the face-to-face time more productive | 22:37 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: we are on topic 3 out of 11 with 20 min left | 22:38 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: that sounds like something I should work on | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: oh great, well lets cross of some easy ones then | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | tempest-lib is going to be a session I don't think anyone disagrees with that, right? | 22:38 |
| dkranz | +1 | 22:39 |
| andreaf | +1 | 22:39 |
| dmorita | +1 | 22:39 |
| masayukig | ++ | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | I'll take the session leader on that, because I've been driving that effort so far | 22:39 |
| gmann | +1 | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | then the tempest scope one also will be getting a session | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | I don't think it needs to be a double session necessarily | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | I plan to start a ML to prempt the session tomorrow or early next week | 22:39 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: with Friday available I don't think we need double sessions for anything | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: fair point | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | I was just echoing your earlier concern :) | 22:40 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right, but I did not know the format then | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | ok after that we have 4 more topics | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | QA and CI after merge | 22:41 |
| andreaf | ++ | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: what did you have in mind for talking about in this session? | 22:42 |
| andreaf | what tests could be moved to post-merge, how we track and maintain them | 22:42 |
| dkranz | andreaf: that is related to the in-project functional testing as it will have the same issues | 22:42 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, so like a dashboard view on test results | 22:43 |
| andreaf | and how do we let deployers know which versions to pick to have something passing certain post merge tests | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok I'm fine with giving that a topic, although it does feel like a split topic with infra | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | because we don't have a good story around post tests at this point | 22:44 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: sure there are two aspects, one is how to make people care about post-merge tests | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an objection to that as a topic? | 22:44 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: the other one is really what can we move out of the main gate | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: well I think that's more a question of configs not necessarily individual tests | 22:45 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: which is like saying something is core openstack always working, other is "class B" most of the time working, perhaps working on releases but not all the time | 22:45 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes indeed | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yeah that part feels more like a cross-project topic :) | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | but anyway I think that's a good topic to have | 22:46 |
| dmorita | I agree > cross-project | 22:46 |
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| masayukig | mtreinish: agree | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | what I think will happen is we can work out the technical aspects there and avoid policy decisions about what is tested everywhere vs post merge | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | ok I added that to the list of sessions | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | let's move on | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | Response objects of Tempest clients | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | I agree that we can just handle that in the spec review | 22:48 |
| gmann | +1 | 22:48 |
| mtreinish | any objections to that? | 22:48 |
| andreaf | +1 | 22:48 |
| dmorita | +1 | 22:48 |
| masayukig | yeah, agree | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | ok then we have | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | Implications of moving functional tests to projects | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: you proposed this as a cross-project session right? | 22:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: yes, but I don't know how/when they are chosen | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | do you want to hold off on having this in qa until we see if that gets picked up? | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it should be within the next week | 22:49 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | so I'll put that as a maybe, I do think it's related to the tempest scope topic but that's fine | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | then next up is | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | Tempest/Rally Integration | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | which is something I'm not sure warrants a separate topic, because we did this in Atl, and nothing was produced from it | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: so we have three other items that are about user-experience,ui,database,etc. | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | despite having a concrete list of work items from the session | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: and we also did nothing with the other proposals either | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: perhaps it does not need a session | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but it is really about the best way to move forward on the UX front | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well we had masayukig's session in atl about the tempest server plan which had good discussion and a spec proposal | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | which I created subunit2sql from | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | the rest of the spec was blocked because of overlap concerns with jenkins | 22:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: my only "point" is that a lot of people have started using rally | 22:52 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: and we are either going to compete with that, or join forces, because I believe the end goal is the same | 22:53 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: just something to think about | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I think there is definite overlap which is something I've said many times, but the scope of projects is very different. | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | I think baking it into a ux discussion is a good idea | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | I really would like to see collab here, it's just something which hasn't happened so far | 22:54 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I think the current feature focus is different but I don't see any UX goals we have that rally does not also have | 22:54 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: anyway, I am not asserting an answer to this, just something to think about as we move forward on UX | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I agree, but I just don't think it warrants another slot | 22:55 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have an opinion on this topic? | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | because my opinion isn't the only one here :) | 22:56 |
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| mtreinish | because that also leaves us with 2 (maybe 3) unallocated slots | 22:57 |
| dmorita | How is auth interface topic? It must be also helpful to just consider migration of auth module to tempest-lib. | 22:57 |
| dmorita | Actually, I already started surveying the auth implementation and found some points to be improved. | 22:57 |
| dmorita | Sorry, I am persistent. | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | dmorita: if you have a concrete proposal for a better auth interface that we can use in tempest-lib and think it'll fill up enough time for a session I guess that's fine | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | but we really don't want to spend session time going over what's there now | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | and reviewing the current interface | 22:58 |
| dmorita | Of course, I can prepare material before the session to explain current architecture quickly. | 22:59 |
| andreaf | dmorita: feel free to share any proposal for improvement - the multi-auth bp is not finished anyways | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | does anyone object to having a session on the future of the tempest auth interface? | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | also we're at time, but I don't think there is a meeting after us | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | so we can go over a bit :) | 23:00 |
| dmorita | andreaf: your effort is good. | 23:01 |
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| masayukig | mtreinish: oh.. :) | 23:01 |
| mtreinish | is anyone in favor of a session like that? | 23:01 |
| dmorita | But, i think it is a little different from migration to tempest-lib. | 23:01 |
| mtreinish | dmorita: well considering we have at least 1 free slot I guess we'll make this a session | 23:02 |
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| mtreinish | ping me if you've got some concerns on how we should be framing the discussion | 23:03 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: is that ok? | 23:03 |
| andreaf | sure, ok | 23:03 |
| dmorita | ok | 23:03 |
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| mtreinish | ok well I think that's it for the topics unless I missed one | 23:04 |
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| dkranz | Got to run now | 23:04 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok | 23:04 |
| andreaf | I also should go, it's past midnight | 23:04 |
| mtreinish | we have 1 unused slot, if there are no other ideas I can fill that with an administrative topic, or talk to ttx and give that back to the pool | 23:05 |
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| mtreinish | or we can use it as an extension of the meetup time | 23:05 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok yeah I was surprised you joined :) | 23:05 |
| dmorita | Ok. Thanks! | 23:05 |
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| gmann | may be we can extend Gap analysis in 2 sessions which may need more time | 23:06 |
| gmann | just a option :) | 23:06 |
| mtreinish | oh, I know dtroyer said he didn't want a devstack/grenade topic, but we could use that for the 1 slot :) | 23:06 |
| mtreinish | gmann: yeah that was the other thing I was conisdering too | 23:06 |
| mtreinish | anyway we're ~5 min over time so let's end the meeting and we can pick this up in -qa | 23:06 |
| masayukig | gmann: that's sounds good. | 23:06 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:07 |
| masayukig | mtreinish: ok | 23:07 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 23:07:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:07 |
| masayukig | thanks | 23:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-16-22.00.html | 23:07 |
| gmann | Thanks all | 23:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-16-22.00.txt | 23:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-16-22.00.log.html | 23:07 |
| dmorita | thanks. | 23:07 |
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