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| yamahata | hello | 05:00 |
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| yamahata | #startmeeting servicevm-device-manager | 05:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 14 05:02:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamahata. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'servicevm_device_manager' | 05:02 |
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| yamahata | #topic Announcement | 05:02 |
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| yamahata | #chair s3wong | 05:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: s3wong yamahata | 05:02 |
| yamahata | #info Neutron RC2 was cut | 05:03 |
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| yamahata | #info Neutron spec for Kilo cycle is open now | 05:03 |
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| bmelande | hi yamahata: | 05:03 |
| yamahata | bmelande: hi. glad to see you. | 05:03 |
| s3wong | bmelande: hello | 05:03 |
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| yamahata | that's all from me. Any other announcement? | 05:04 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Hi | 05:04 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: nothing from me either. Apologies for running behind on the reviews | 05:06 |
| yamahata | bmelande: no problem. What do you think the direction itself? The patch is implementation detail. How about the overall direction? | 05:07 |
| yamahata | #topic Open Discussion | 05:07 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: overall looks good. | 05:08 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: have not seen brocade in these meetings for some time. Have you heard from Kartik? | 05:08 |
| yamahata | Carl Brown is planning a blueprint for l3-agent refactoring. According to L3 service irc meeting log, he is going to publish a blueprint for it. | 05:08 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: Carl Brown? Not Carl Baldwin (carl_baldwin)? | 05:09 |
| yamahata | Ideally router service handler of config agent can share codes with l3 agent. | 05:09 |
| yamahata | s3wong: Oops. Carl Baldwin. | 05:09 |
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| yamahata | I'm also looking at l3 agent myself, so we'll see how to cooperate with him. | 05:11 |
| yamahata | So far the blueprint doesn't published yet, though. | 05:11 |
| bmelande | yamahata: Yes I saw that. | 05:11 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: one limitation of the l3 plugin and l3 agent is the implicit assumption that l3 agent is colocated with the host/device where the Neutron routers runs | 05:13 |
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| yamahata | bmelande: Sure. That's the fundamental difference and the reason why config agent was introduced, I understand. Correct? | 05:14 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: Yes | 05:14 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: What is the plan for K and your BP on service port? | 05:15 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: we plan to propose it --- and elicit more support from the advanced services | 05:16 |
| yamahata | bmelande: I haven't heard from Kartik recently. Maybe we should ping him before summit for logistics. | 05:16 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: yes, would be good if he/they participated here. | 05:17 |
| s3wong | bmelande: I am going to meet with some folks this Thursday to talk about how to get community support during the K-Summit | 05:17 |
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| yamahata | any link to service port? | 05:17 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Perhaps you saw that a patch from McClain was merged a few days ago that adds a router port table to the router inmplemenation | 05:18 |
| yamahata | #action yamahata try to contact Kartik or brocade people | 05:18 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Yes I heard about that from SridarK | 05:18 |
| s3wong | bmelande: no, actually I didn't... | 05:18 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: that routerport construct in ways has similarities with the service port construct | 05:19 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: it is specific to router? so we now have another table for router interfaces? | 05:19 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Yes it is specific to the router. Yes, there is now a table for it. | 05:20 |
| s3wong | bmelande: Kanzhe and I built the table as a result of API support | 05:20 |
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| yamahata | This one? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/commit/?id=93012915a3445a8ac8a0b30b702df30febbbb728 | 05:21 |
| s3wong | bmelande: as we implemented at the feature freeze day, we tried hard to figure out how to go from service port table to reference back to the actual service | 05:21 |
| yamahata | "Add database relationship between router and ports" | 05:21 |
| s3wong | bmelande: but I guess if you KNOW you are a router interface, you can always just reference to the router table... | 05:22 |
| bmelande | yamahata: That is the one. | 05:22 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: Yes, true. Did you come up with a way of dealing with that? | 05:23 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: yes - but quite a brute force way | 05:24 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: we added an abstract method in servicebaseplugin to register service with service port table as a lookup | 05:24 |
| s3wong | bmelande: so all services would have to implement it... though we basically only implemented it for VPNaaS | 05:24 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Aha. Ok. | 05:25 |
| s3wong | bmelande: Kanzhe and I posted a patch right at 11:30pm :-) | 05:25 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: we aim to come up with something more elegant before bringing it to community this time around | 05:25 |
| s3wong | the spec was approved for Juno; but will need to revise and resubmit for Kilo | 05:26 |
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| s3wong | Nova has the policy of putting approved (but unimplemented) spec into an UNIMPLEMENTED directory in repo | 05:26 |
| s3wong | but I guess Neutron doesn't have that | 05:27 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: Yes, I guess you'd want a kind of inheritance for the DB for the service ports. | 05:28 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: No, I don't think Neutron has that. | 05:28 |
| s3wong | bmelande: SumitNaiksatam and Kanze/me talked about a generic "service table"... we would like to have advanced service common info in some accessible table | 05:29 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: that could be something to explore with the community in Paris | 05:29 |
| bmelande | s3wong: I'm asking because I recall vagely that we hit something like that issue too. Would like to undertand better if there is a good solution to such cases. | 05:31 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: did you build a router interface table in your driver as well? | 05:31 |
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| bmelande | Sort of, but we called it something like 'hostinghostedportbinding' table. | 05:33 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: yes... there are so many things that can be put in a common infrastructure | 05:34 |
| bmelande | hosted port = Neutron port for router service instance (=Neutron router), hositing port = Neutron port that CSR service VM plugs a VIF into | 05:34 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: indeed. | 05:35 |
| s3wong | bmelande: I guess that's why our project (serviceVM) exists :-) | 05:35 |
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| * yamahata fully agreed | 05:36 | |
| bmelande | yamahata: with your worked on patch sets, will the Brocade implemenation map well into that? | 05:36 |
| yamahata | bmelande: I think they can. I need their feedback though. | 05:36 |
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| yamahata | I investigated their code and CSR1kv code to accomodate them. | 05:37 |
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| yamahata | It's 8mins over. Do we want to continue on #tacker channel? | 05:39 |
| bmelande | yamahata: Oh, right. For me, we can close the meeting. | 05:40 |
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| yamahata | Okay, let's close. | 05:40 |
| yamahata | thank you every one. See you next week. | 05:41 |
| s3wong | yamahata, bmelande: well, seems like freenode is kicking people out anyway :-) | 05:41 |
| yamahata | #endmeeting | 05:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 05:41:10 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-10-14-05.02.html | 05:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-10-14-05.02.txt | 05:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/servicevm_device_manager/2014/servicevm_device_manager.2014-10-14-05.02.log.html | 05:41 |
| s3wong | thanks, guys. Talk to you guys next week | 05:41 |
| bmelande | yamahata: do you know if the LBaaS are doing anything on VMs? | 05:41 |
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| bmelande | yamahata: for their LBaaS version 2 effort? | 05:41 |
| s3wong | bmelande: at least some vendor driver would (like A10) | 05:42 |
| yamahata | bmelande: I'm not aware of it at the moment. | 05:42 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: That was what I was thinking/wondering | 05:42 |
| yamahata | But I believe some venders are interested in it. | 05:42 |
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| s3wong | bmelande, yamahata: for that, you may want to contact dougwig (from A10). He is very involved in LBaaSv2 | 05:43 |
| s3wong | bmelande, yamahata: we should indeed contact him prior to the summit and ask for a meeting | 05:43 |
| yamahata | #action yamahata, bemlande actact dougwing | 05:43 |
| * yamahata regret to close the meeting | 05:44 | |
| bmelande | yamahata, s3wong: One historical problem in Neutron has seemingly always been that it is hard to get the different communities/teams to work together on common parts. | 05:44 |
| s3wong | yamahata: it is OK | 05:44 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: that's what us in advanced service tried to do | 05:45 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: we got FWaaS people involved (due mostly to SumitNaiksatam's help); but pcm_ and nachi_ueno didn't show up from the VPN side | 05:45 |
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| s3wong | bmelande: and despite me physically going to San Antonio to talk to the LBaaS guys, I could open up a persistent community channel with LBaaS neither | 05:46 |
| yamahata | I'm also interested in FWaaS part. | 05:46 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: Yes I know. But as you point to, hard to break the implicit "silos" | 05:46 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: for FWaaS, I think getting SridarK to work with us should be easier | 05:47 |
| s3wong | bmelande, yamahata: we should also be able to talk to pcm_ to get his support | 05:48 |
| s3wong | LBaaS has a lot of things going on, don't know if they factor in any infrastructure changes from us... | 05:48 |
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| bmelande | s3wong: yamahata: SridarK and PCM have not been attending these meetings but we dicsuss a lot, being part of the same team@Cisco. | 05:49 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Don't know. If I was to guess, probably not... | 05:49 |
| s3wong | bmelande: yes, we should get them + dougwig together to converge on a unified framework for both serviceVM, device mgr, and service insertion | 05:50 |
| s3wong | if the three of them are onboard, we can then spread out to their respective sub teams, then we have community support to present to the cores | 05:50 |
| bmelande | s3wong: Yes, definitely. | 05:50 |
| dougwig | My phone is buzzing. :) | 05:51 |
| s3wong | dougwig: hi | 05:51 |
| s3wong | dougwig: are you going to K-Summit in Paris | 05:51 |
| s3wong | ? | 05:51 |
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| bmelande | dougwig: What phone do you have? I want one like that. :-) | 05:52 |
| dougwig | irccloud will send push notifications to iOS. | 05:52 |
| dougwig | yes, i'll be in paris. | 05:52 |
| s3wong | bmelande: I think he probably has IRC client on his smart phone; if we put his nic on, it will buzz him :-) | 05:52 |
| s3wong | dougwig: cool, we should get together to understand if LBaaS has any requirement for serviceVM | 05:53 |
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| dougwig | in addition to lbaas v2, we should get some octavia folks on board. current plan on the latter is to home-brew some service insertion/service vm stuff to get things rolling, and those should certainly converge with efforts here over time. | 05:53 |
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| dougwig | check the specs repo here: https://github.com/stackforge/octavia | 05:53 |
| s3wong | dougwig: is Octavia VM based? I didn't want to contact them --- thinking that they might instead be container based... | 05:53 |
| dougwig | the initial version is VM based. and in addition to being heavily involved with neutron/lbaas, i am a core on octavia. | 05:54 |
| s3wong | (though even in that case there is common framework that could be leveraged) | 05:54 |
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| * yamahata wondering when docker support officially comes in. It would take a while though. | 05:55 | |
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| s3wong | dougwig: cool. Let's get together in Paris then. I understand that blogan will not be in Paris, but other Octavia folks (like you) would be great to get together to have discussion on common framework | 05:56 |
| dougwig | we are currently setting up interfaces, that could be vm's, containers, or hardware on the other side. initially it'll be nova VMs. | 05:56 |
| bmelande_ | dougwig: I'll look into those specs. | 05:56 |
| dougwig | blogan will be in paris, as will sbalukoff. | 05:56 |
| dougwig | we should definitely all talk. | 05:56 |
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| s3wong | yamahata: not so much docker (in which nova-docker is in stackforge), but regular netns like haproxy driver in LBaaS | 05:57 |
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| s3wong | dougwig: Oh, I vaguely remember blogan talked about NOT going... but I guess I also spotted him as a speaker for one conference session.. so a bit confused :-) | 05:57 |
| dougwig | there was some rax drama with travel budget, but he's in. | 05:58 |
| s3wong | dougwig: cool. Will send you guys email... perhaps even during Paris, once we secure pod slot | 05:58 |
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| dougwig | ok. i'm dougw at a10networks dot com, if you didn't have it already. | 05:59 |
| s3wong | dougwig: yes, I have it :-) | 05:59 |
| dougwig | great. :) | 05:59 |
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| s3wong | dougwig: thanks for staying up... I know it is late for you already :-) | 05:59 |
| dougwig | i'm a night owl, so this meeting is a lot easier than all the 7am nonsense. :) | 06:00 |
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| s3wong | yamahata, bmelande_ : hopefully we can all set up joint meeting with representatives from LBaaS, FWaaS, and VPNaaS to talk about common advanced service framework | 06:01 |
| bmelande_ | dougwig: What is the thinking in LbaaS to support different vendors? Are you building on the flavors idea? | 06:02 |
| s3wong | I will also get SumitNaiksatam and Kanzhe to join as well | 06:02 |
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| dougwig | bmelande_: it'll be based on drivers initially, with plans to support flavors as soon as they're available. additionally, i'd like to see us extend flavor profiles as jinja templates and allow passing meta dictionaries with all objects (but first, the vanilla flavors has to actually happen.) | 06:03 |
| bmelande_ | s3wong: Yes that'd be good. | 06:03 |
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| s3wong | bmelande_: I believe that could actually be more valuable than a design summit session | 06:03 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: we have proposed a comprehensive framework in Juno | 06:04 |
| dougwig | bmelande_: ultimately, there are three integration points for vendors: a neutron/lbaas driver, an octavia amphora (roman container) driver that interfaces hardware, or an amphora driver that uses a vendors soft appliance via nova. | 06:04 |
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| dougwig | the slight overlap is because lbaas will spin out of neutron soon, and octavia may become the spinout, or there may be a layer on top. in the latter case, the middle driver i described would never be needed. | 06:05 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: everyone is night owl indeed :-) .... I lurked at the Neutron meeting today in hope that mestery would say something about the design summit session, but didn't see any | 06:06 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: but the thinking is, if we can get all the advanced service folks together discussing a common framework, then it already be very fruitful for the summit | 06:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: just like in Juno I dont think advanced services’ framework is high on the neutron wish list even for Kilo | 06:07 |
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| dougwig | SumitNaiksatam: that's kind of why i'm beginning to think that advanced services needs to split out. | 06:07 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i tend to think that we need to be able to show this framework in action for some of the non-believers to see the need and value | 06:07 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: I don't doubt that at all... and with the whole new "neutron-drivers" configuration, I doubt even a spec would be approved | 06:07 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: :-) | 06:08 |
| bmelande_ | dougwig: Interesting, and clear similarties with tacker at a hight level. | 06:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dougwig: true, that thought had a lot of merit when it was first proposed in the Juno summit | 06:08 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dougwig: are you in the bay area this week? | 06:08 |
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| dougwig | SumitNaiksatam: actually i'm flying in in the morning. | 06:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | oops, i did not realize that a meeting is currently on | 06:09 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | sorry for the distraction | 06:09 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: no problem. yamahata has ended the meeting already --- or not :-) | 06:09 |
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| s3wong | I can end the meeting, actually | 06:09 |
| s3wong | #endmeeting | 06:09 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: apparently not, i still see the meeting topic to be servicevm-device-manager | 06:09 |
| s3wong | Yes, I saw it too | 06:10 |
| s3wong | #chair | 06:10 |
| bmelande_ | s3wong: Just don't the discussion... :-) | 06:10 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: strange... | 06:10 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: i think it should be fine | 06:10 |
| bmelande_ | s3wong: Just don't end the discussion. :-) | 06:10 |
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| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: actually it is a freenode weirdness --- the meeting has ended... even the eavesdrop log is there | 06:11 |
| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes, you are right, i just back scrolled | 06:11 |
| s3wong | dougwig: so you are going to be in Bay Area starting tomorrow? | 06:11 |
| dougwig | yes, i am, until friday | 06:12 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: perhaps we can invite dougwig for our f2f also? | 06:12 |
| s3wong | if he is available for an hour or two... | 06:12 |
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| dougwig | yes, i'd love to. | 06:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | s3wong: yes sure, hence i asked | 06:12 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: OK with you? You can extend an invite to dougw@a10networks.com also... | 06:12 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | done | 06:13 |
| s3wong | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks! | 06:14 |
| SumitNaiksatam | back in a bit | 06:14 |
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| dougwig | got it, thanks. that'll work. | 06:14 |
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| s3wong | dougwig: see you on Thursday! | 06:14 |
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| dougwig | awesome, looking forward to it. well, as much as any introvert can look forward to meeting strangers. :) | 06:16 |
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| irina_povolotska | hi to all! I've got a question on Neutron meeting: as I see, there're meetings on Mondays and Tuesdays. Then, why no agenda is provided to write up in Neutron wiki? | 13:52 |
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| n0ano | #startmeeting gantt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 14 15:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is n0ano. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gantt)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gantt' | 15:00 |
| n0ano | anyone here to talk about the scheduler? | 15:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:00 |
| mspreitz | yes | 15:00 |
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| yjiang51 | yes | 15:01 |
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| jgallard | hi | 15:01 |
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| edleafe | o/ | 15:01 |
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| bauzas | roll call done ? :) | 15:02 |
| n0ano | #topic forklift status | 15:02 |
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| n0ano | bauzas, this is mainly you, anything to report? | 15:02 |
| bauzas | well | 15:03 |
| bauzas | there are many things to discuss but about BPs | 15:03 |
| bauzas | I can just cover my current work | 15:03 |
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| yjiang51 | bauzas: is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-scheduler-refactoring still maintained, or should we go to BPs? | 15:04 |
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| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/126895 is the spec about splitting ComputeNode | 15:04 |
| bauzas | yjiang51: right, this one is a good one | 15:04 |
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| PaulMurray | hi -sorry I'm late | 15:04 |
| yjiang51 | bauzas: thanks. | 15:04 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray also has some work related to ComputeNode too | 15:05 |
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| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/detach-service-from-computenode,n,z Implementation of the spec above | 15:05 |
| bauzas | that's it mainly for me about the current work | 15:05 |
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| PaulMurray | bauzas, did you cover pci)stats? | 15:06 |
| bauzas | we have many things to discuss yet about BPs again | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: nope, yjiang51 do you plan to fix that ? | 15:06 |
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| bauzas | yjiang51: PaulMurray was speaking about pci_devices field missing in ComputeNode object | 15:06 |
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| yjiang51 | bauzas: I had patch for PCIstats, but since it missed the J release, I didn't continue that. I will revoke it. | 15:07 |
| bauzas | yjiang51: k | 15:07 |
| n0ano | bauzas, my real question is do you need any help on the current work, otherwise we can go into the BPs | 15:07 |
| bauzas | n0ano: we can go to the BPs, far more importanty | 15:07 |
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| PaulMurray | yjiang51, I can help you if you need? | 15:07 |
| yjiang51 | PaulMurray: Cool. | 15:08 |
| n0ano | in that case... | 15:08 |
| yjiang51 | PaulMurray: thanks. | 15:08 |
| n0ano | #topic Kilo BPs | 15:08 |
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| PaulMurray | yjiang51, I speak to you outside this meeting | 15:08 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-scheduler-refactoring Here is the basic discussion about Scheduler refactoring | 15:08 |
| yjiang51 | PaulMurray: sure. | 15:08 |
| bauzas | there are BPs attached to that created by jaypipes | 15:09 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127609/ Add resource objects model | 15:09 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127610/5 Add request_spec object model | 15:10 |
| bauzas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127612 Change select_destinations to use request_spec object model | 15:10 |
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| bauzas | all of them have previously been discussed here, so I expect no clear disagreement on the problem description | 15:11 |
| bauzas | I tho have concerns on the resource models themselves | 15:11 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: around ? | 15:11 |
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| n0ano | I come back to, if we implement these 3 BPs do we think we'll be ready to split out the scheduler? | 15:12 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, I have not talked much about extensible resource tracking recently | 15:12 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, I need to fit that into this plan | 15:13 |
| bauzas | n0ano: that's my main worries, it will still need to change update_resource_stats to make use of these new resource models | 15:13 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, I think it fits ok - but do need to make sure I understand | 15:13 |
| bauzas | so that's a 4th BP | 15:13 |
| bauzas | PaulMurray: I'm a bit concerned about the resource modeling proposed by jaypipes | 15:13 |
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| jaypipes | hey guys, sorry, here now... | 15:14 |
| PaulMurray | hi jaypipes | 15:14 |
| n0ano | I want to try and focus on `clean up then split', we've been constanly changing the goal posts up to now so I want to focus | 15:14 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, bauzas my main problem is I think I need a white board and a locked room to drive to conclusions | 15:14 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I don't think you read my blueprints all that carefully :) | 15:14 |
| bauzas | n0ano: +1000 | 15:14 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, can you explain? | 15:15 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I mostly agree with the last 2 of the series :) | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: those are the only blueprints that would (IMHO) need to be done before a split is possible. | 15:15 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, which do you mean by `those`? | 15:15 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: the resource object models blueprint specifically do *not* call for any change to the RPC API layer or the call structure of update_resource_stats | 15:15 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: the three above, and bauza's compute node detach from service BP | 15:16 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: a split is only possible if filters are looking at those resource models instead of querying other Nova components | 15:16 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: no, that can all be done after a split. | 15:16 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: the blueprint specifically states that the resource models can be constructed on the nova-scheduler side by looking at the existing data model in the compute node. | 15:17 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I disagree, we regularly enforced the need of having something extensible enough for fitting the isolate-sched-db BP | 15:17 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: ok, I take your point, I will cover this 1st BP very carefully | 15:17 |
| n0ano | compute node detach from service BP = https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89893/ | 15:17 |
| bauzas | n0ano: nope | 15:18 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: resources don't need to be extensible. amounts of resources and usages need to be able to be represented using a singular interface, but the way that data is stored does not *need* to change. | 15:18 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/detach-service-from-computenode | 15:18 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: it would be nice if the way the data was stored was cleaned up, but it's not necessary before a split of the scheduler, IMO | 15:18 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: ok, will read carefully | 15:19 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127609/4/specs/kilo/approved/resource-objects.rst <-- line 176 | 15:20 |
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| n0ano | OK, just to be specific, we need this 3 patch and 1 BP before we can do the split: | 15:20 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127609/ | 15:20 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127610/5 | 15:20 |
| n0ano | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127612 | 15:20 |
| n0ano | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/detach-service-from-computenode | 15:20 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah saw that, just wonders how we can safely store information about aggregates for example | 15:21 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: aggregates are not a resource. | 15:21 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: but I need to further dig into your proposal and test it against our usecases | 15:22 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: but we need to find some way for filters to look into HostState in order to filter on aggregates or AZs for example | 15:22 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: that has nothing to do with resource object models, though. none of that changes. | 15:22 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: whatever an AZ is | 15:22 |
| yjiang51 | bauzas: jaypipes: possibly host aggregate can be solely in scheduler, not in nova , in future. | 15:22 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed, hence isolate-scheduler-db BP | 15:23 |
| n0ano | HostState should just be part of the scheduler, unrelated to the resource tracker (restating what jaypipes said) | 15:23 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: the former was using ERT for achieving this, we need to see how resource model BP can fit this | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: HostState is not related to RT already | 15:24 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: if ERT was reasonable, then the numa_topology field would not have been needed to be added to the compute_nodes table. | 15:24 |
| n0ano | I think we're in violent agreement then | 15:24 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: but ERT didn't solve any problem, so the folks that added the NUMA topology resources created a separate field numa_topology in the compute_nodes table to store infdomation about the NUMA cells used on the node. | 15:25 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I'm just saying that the resource-model BP is necessary for updating HostState with Aggregate related info :) | 15:25 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, ERT did not do the resource object - and it should | 15:25 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: with the resource object models, we are simply standardizing the way that resource amounts are *compared*, and punting on the storage of those data points. | 15:26 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: as that can be cleaned up later... | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, I am behind the resource models | 15:26 |
| jaypipes | PaulMurray: cool, thx :) | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, I think you know I was pushed in all sorts of directions | 15:26 |
| jaypipes | PaulMurray: yes, I do. | 15:26 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, and just had to end up without structuring the model while getting in a way to be extensible | 15:27 |
| jaypipes | PaulMurray: and I'm not blaming anyone or anything. I'm just presenting a view of how to iterate towards a more consistent way of comparing resource amounts/usages | 15:27 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, right - I'm basically on board with this - its all about details | 15:27 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I think we all think it is required | 15:27 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I think I may understand a problem you have... | 15:28 |
| PaulMurray | and I think we are now able to get beyond the problems I couldn't a year ago | 15:28 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: because we decided to work on that first before splitting | 15:28 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: so, because I edited all these blueprints in the same topic branch in git, it looks like they are dependent on each other. | 15:28 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: but the second two are not dependent on resource-object-models BP | 15:28 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yeah, that's helpful, thanks for this | 15:28 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed | 15:28 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: i.e. work on request-spec-object can and should begin now | 15:28 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I can cover those | 15:28 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: w/o waiting for the resource-iobejct-models work. | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | those two BPs are entirely independent of each other. | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: but of course, the sched-select-destinations-use-request-spec-object depends on the completion of request-spec-object :) | 15:29 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: I just want to explain to you our main concern about these heterogenous resources that we need to store and filter upon these | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I'm listening. | 15:29 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: agreed, can I borrow these two ? | 15:29 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: please do! | 15:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: cool | 15:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so | 15:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: back to the problem I mentioned | 15:30 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: did you notice I put you as a contributor on them? | 15:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: yup | 15:30 |
| jaypipes | k | 15:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: at least for one | 15:30 |
| bauzas | anyway | 15:30 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so, let me explain to you the problem we have with the current filter design | 15:30 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: you are listed as a contributor on the second two patches. | 15:31 |
| bauzas | k | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | so, filters are looking at HostState for deciding by comparing with request_spec | 15:31 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: but for some specific filters, they directly call other Nova objects (like aggregates) for comparing with request_spec | 15:32 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: ie. AvailabilityZoneFilter | 15:32 |
| bauzas | eg. sorry | 15:32 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: the only one that does that does it to get the allocation overcommit ratios for the aggregate object. | 15:32 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: which was the purpose of the allocation-ratios-to-resource-tracker blueprint from last cycle... | 15:33 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: nope, that's not about the ratios | 15:33 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: well, capabilities plus overcommit ratios. | 15:33 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: AZFilter is fetching the metadata associated to the aggregates whose host belongs to | 15:33 |
| jaypipes | right. capabilities. | 15:33 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: and compares it with the AZ hint passed | 15:33 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so, here, that's an explicit call to the Aggregate DB (or Object) | 15:34 |
| jaypipes | yes. | 15:34 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: again, it should look into HostState instead of querying Aggregate | 15:34 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: HostState still needs to get the information about aggregates from somewhere. | 15:35 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: exactly ! | 15:35 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: that's the purpose of isolate-scheduler-db BP | 15:35 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, jaypipes have you looked at the service groups example | 15:35 |
| jaypipes | but what does this have to do with any of the blueprints I've proposed? | 15:35 |
| jaypipes | PaulMurray: yes. | 15:35 |
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| jaypipes | PaulMurray: I think you meant server-groups, not service-groups, right? | 15:35 |
| PaulMurray | jaypipes, yes, sorry | 15:36 |
| jaypipes | no worries. :) | 15:36 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: it comes to your BPs because we need to find some way to update the scheduler with info about aggregates | 15:36 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: the former proposal was using ERT for updating stats field with Aggregates info | 15:36 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: but that doesn't have anything to do with any of the blueprints I have proposed... | 15:36 |
| yjiang51 | bauzas: are there anyone else other than scheduler/filter use the aggregate information? | 15:36 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, it looks up the server information and adds it to the request spec before calling the filters | 15:36 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: Aggregates are not resources. They are collections of providers of resources. | 15:37 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, indeed, they are closer to a host state then they are to a resource | 15:37 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: correct. | 15:38 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: still, how do you see how the Scheduler should be notified about these informations ? | 15:38 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: so that the filters could get that info ? | 15:38 |
| yjiang51 | bauzas: why not keep these information on scheduler? | 15:38 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: I think the scheduler should *own* the information about aggregates. not "be notified about them" | 15:38 |
| n0ano | bauzas, good question, I would say similar to the way host state is updated but that will expand that particular API | 15:39 |
| yjiang51 | jaypipes: +1 | 15:39 |
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| jaypipes | bauzas: but in the meantime, just add a new shceduler RPC API method update_aggregate() | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: and notify the scheduler about changes by calling that RPC API. | 15:39 |
| bauzas | yjiang51: jaypipes: what about if we need to store information about a Neutron router' list of ports ? | 15:39 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: problem solved :P | 15:39 |
| PaulMurray | bauzas, what is the problem you address by having the compute node send aggregate info to the scheduler | 15:39 |
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| bauzas | PaulMurray: my concern is how to store it | 15:40 |
| yjiang51 | bauzas: is the list of ports also aggregate ? | 15:40 |
| bauzas | yjiang51: nope, that's another example of a possible Gantt filter | 15:40 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: provide that information in the request_spec, or better yet, have the scheduler request that information as-needed from Neutron. That said, I have no idea what use the scheduler has with a list of ports from a Neutron router. | 15:40 |
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| n0ano | PaulMurray, once we split the scheduler out to a separate service the aggregat info won't be availble if it's not stored in the scheduler | 15:40 |
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| yjiang51 | bauzas: port is resource, right? | 15:41 |
| n0ano | or at least not easily available | 15:41 |
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| jaypipes | no. | 15:41 |
| PaulMurray | n0ano, bauzas I see, but it doesn't belong to the compute node either | 15:41 |
| jaypipes | yjiang51: a VF on an SR-IOV PF is a resource, but a port is not. | 15:41 |
| jaypipes | yjiang51: unless you are referring to a physical port, which has some limited number on a device, in which case, yes, a port is a resource ;) | 15:42 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, I would have to disagree, a port and a VF are pretty much the same if one is a resrouce then the other is | 15:42 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: see above :) depends on whether there is a total capacity of the "thing" :) | 15:42 |
| n0ano | yes, I was equating a port to a physical device | 15:42 |
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| jaypipes | n0ano: port in neutron, though... that's not a physical device. | 15:42 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: which is why I like to be specific about these things :) | 15:43 |
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| n0ano | jaypipes, hence the confusion, do we care about Neutron ports for the moment? | 15:43 |
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| bauzas | n0ano: I was mentioning this for explaining that we need to be generic | 15:43 |
| yjiang51 | jaypipes: you mean un-limited resource is not resource? Hmm, that make sense also, since it means no need to be managed at all :) | 15:43 |
| bauzas | and not rely on Nova existing DB or info | 15:44 |
| jaypipes | n0ano: we only care about the PCI ports, but those are handled by the resource_tracker separately. | 15:44 |
| jaypipes | yjiang51: right, zactly. | 15:44 |
| bauzas | anyway, it seems that time is running on | 15:44 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, I'm pretty sure I'm +1 on that | 15:44 |
| n0ano | bauzas, yeah, let's try and sqeeze some other items in today | 15:45 |
| jaypipes | bauzas: so... may I work on the resource-object-model, you work on the request-spec-object, and we continue to discuss ways in which we communicate agregate changes to the scheduler? Perhaps PaulMurray can work on that last one? | 15:45 |
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| bauzas | jaypipes: sounds a good plan to me | 15:45 |
| n0ano | jaypipes, WFM | 15:45 |
| jaypipes | PaulMurray: ? work for you>? | 15:45 |
| PaulMurray | oh right, it works for everyone else eh? Yes, fine by me :) | 15:46 |
| bauzas | jaypipes: PaulMurray: https://review.openstack.org/89893 | 15:46 |
| bauzas | ^ above is the spec about the problem I mentioned | 15:46 |
| n0ano | anyway... | 15:46 |
| n0ano | #topic Kilo sessions | 15:46 |
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| bauzas | so | 15:46 |
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| bauzas | 2 possible sessions | 15:46 |
| n0ano | I think we will have a cross project session, the open is whether we'll have a separate session just on the current Gantt split | 15:47 |
| bauzas | 1/ in cross-project track on Tuesday | 15:47 |
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| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics L93 (comments welcome) | 15:47 |
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| bauzas | another one is expected to come in the nova summit track | 15:48 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics | 15:48 |
| n0ano | I'm still a little unclear on what we can do to push for these 2 sessions | 15:48 |
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| doron | just a comment from my side. The cross project is needed as other projects want to integrate and possibly help with Gantt. So this will be more of an invitation and asking for general requirements. | 15:49 |
| doron | The nova one is obviously more into the inner works of the scheduler split work. | 15:50 |
| n0ano | doron, hoping for some specifics from other project on what they want from a scheduler and some API guidance | 15:50 |
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| doron | n0ano: I'm getting feedbacks from folks in cinder and other projects. | 15:51 |
| bauzas | mikal seems to have already triaged some sessions in the Nova etherpad | 15:51 |
| doron | n0ano: they would like to know what to expect and what's needed form their side. | 15:51 |
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| n0ano | doron, what I said, what capabilities are they looking for and what kind of APIs do they want | 15:52 |
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| bauzas | doron: n0ano: hence for example a discussion about whether we accept other projects's polling like jaypipes suggested or only stats notifications | 15:53 |
| doron | n0ano: basically scheduling services. I'd assume they'll write filter(s) and weight modules | 15:53 |
| bauzas | the latter having my preference | 15:53 |
| doron | n0ano: so for example, | 15:53 |
| doron | neutron may be able to schedule a service VM with a mitation of X hops from a network device. | 15:54 |
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| doron | (limitation) | 15:54 |
| doron | The same use case is valid for cinder. | 15:54 |
| doron | from a storage backend. | 15:54 |
| n0ano | doron, the specifics on what `scheduling services' they need is what we're looking for, your Neutron example is perfect | 15:54 |
| doron | n0ano: this is exactly why we should have this all-hands session. | 15:55 |
| n0ano | doron, +1 | 15:55 |
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| bauzas | back to the Nova session, I don't know if mikal or johnthetubaguy placed the good candidates but this person asked for blueprints | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: thats by fault, I was asking for specs | 15:56 |
| n0ano | well, we have BPs, does johnthetubaguy need pointers? | 15:56 |
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| bauzas | so, I will rebase my isolate-sched-db BP on Kilo and jaypipes's BPs will be discussed too | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: we mentioned this on the ML before a few times, we need a spec for summit sessions | 15:56 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: agreed | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | n0ano: ideally the specs would be listed in the etherpad | 15:57 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: jaypipes covers most of the work, and isolate-scheduler-db BP will be reproposed for Kilo | 15:57 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: so will do | 15:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: hoping to get most of those approved before the summit | 15:57 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, tnx, that would be great | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: seems like you have a good direction that just needs executing | 15:57 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: hope so too | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | what bits is there no agreement on? | 15:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | I noticed the extensible resource tracker is getting a bit of a battering, but other than that | 15:58 |
| n0ano | johnthetubaguy, among this group on IRC we're pretty much in agreement | 15:58 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: well, I don't see real problems except that isolate-sched-db implementation we need to cover in between jaypipes, PaulMurray and me | 15:58 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: I would really appreciate if Nova team could help us on guidance there | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: honestly, after the resource tracker work, it should be clear what is needed | 15:59 |
| n0ano | approaching the top of the hour, is there any open anyone wants to raise in the last few minutes? | 15:59 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: we need feedback mostly | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: cool, lets get the specs up, and see what we can do | 15:59 |
| bauzas | on a side note, will be on PTO next week and beginning of the week after | 16:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | PS, you folks are part of the nova team, so do review all the specs, seeing +1s from you folks really helps drive it forward | 16:00 |
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| bauzas | so, won't be present for the next 2 Gantt meetings | 16:00 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: that's my duty :) | 16:00 |
| n0ano | bauzas, me too (business trip next week and vacation in Normandy the week after) we should cancel the next 3 meetings and do things via email | 16:00 |
| n0ano | tnx everyone | 16:01 |
| n0ano | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 14 17:10:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 17:10 |
| openstack | boris-42: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 17:10 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ hi | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | rediskin hi | 17:10 |
| boris-42 | msdubov hi | 17:10 |
| msdubov_ | Hi | 17:10 |
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| andreykurilin_ | hi | 17:11 |
| andreykurilin_ | ) | 17:11 |
| rediskin | hi | 17:11 |
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| amaretskiy | hi | 17:13 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy rediskin msdubov andreykurilin_ hi guys | 17:13 |
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| boris-42 | so | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | #topic new design of rally report | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy could you share a bit info | 17:14 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy about your work | 17:14 |
| amaretskiy | I've completely reworked HTML report | 17:14 |
| amaretskiy | now we have report with responsive layout (bootstrap framework) and powered by AngularJS | 17:15 |
| amaretskiy | menus, tabs, etc... | 17:15 |
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| amaretskiy | and I'm continuing this work... | 17:16 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy share some link for new people | 17:16 |
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| amaretskiy | http://logs.openstack.org/19/125119/14/gate/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/1a2e582/rally-plot/results.html.gz | 17:17 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy ya looks really nice | 17:17 |
| amaretskiy | thanks :) | 17:17 |
| andreykurilin_ | cool | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | our operators will like it rmk mux ^ =) | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy so okay let's move to next topic | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | #topic future plans for rally task report | 17:18 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy so | 17:18 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy what you are going to add to it as next steps ? | 17:18 |
| rmk | very cool | 17:19 |
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| amaretskiy | I'm planning to add tabs for scenario output data (if any) and for raised exceptions (if any) | 17:19 |
| amaretskiy | plus a lot of small changes | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | rmk this is just first step=) | 17:20 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy what about putting description on graphs and benchmarks | 17:21 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy like now it's not clear what actually and how we are benchmarking | 17:22 |
| amaretskiy | yes, that is a topic of next patch | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy so you are going to use doc strings? | 17:22 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy basically we will need to put them to rally results | 17:22 |
| amaretskiy | yes, scenario docstrings will be displayed | 17:22 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy so maybe something like "info" tab? | 17:23 |
| boris-42 | so you can read description about what was actually run? | 17:23 |
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| amaretskiy | maybe rename "config" into "info" and include description | 17:24 |
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| amaretskiy | I guess we can put both description and scenario config in the same tab | 17:24 |
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| amaretskiy | or just put the description behind the tabs | 17:25 |
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| amaretskiy | scenario docstring should be saved in the database | 17:26 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy ya | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy together with taskrestuls | 17:27 |
| amaretskiy | yes | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy let me help you with this part | 17:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy cause I am refactoring that part currently | 17:27 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to next stuff | 17:28 |
| boris-42 | #rally task info updates | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov please provide some updates | 17:28 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov around?) | 17:31 |
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| msdubov_ | boris-42 yep | 17:32 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_ so | 17:33 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_ do you have something to say about rally task info command? | 17:33 |
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| msdubov_ | rally info now supports typos handling | 17:33 |
| msdubov_ | e.g. you type "ExistingServer" and it suggests "ExistingServers" | 17:34 |
| msdubov_ | also "Nova"->"NovaServers" | 17:34 |
| msdubov_ | So it also works as a kind of autocompletion me | 17:34 |
| msdubov_ | chanism | 17:34 |
| msdubov_ | nownI'm concerned with covering Rally with docstrings | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_ hm wait a bit | 17:35 |
| msdubov_ | and also simplifying the rally info syntax quite a bit | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ what about LIST command ? | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ as well when I type rally info find NovaServers | 17:35 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_ it doesn't display methods from it | 17:35 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ so it's hard to use for now | 17:36 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42 i know | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ maybe we should concentrate on functionality ? and then on docstirngs? | 17:36 |
| msdubov_ | it is partially implemented in one of my commits on review | 17:36 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42 agree | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ what about having command "rally info" | 17:36 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ without list/query | 17:37 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ just make it like bash-competition and version commands? | 17:37 |
| msdubov_ | that's syntax simplification I mentioned above | 17:37 |
| msdubov_ | I also want to make it like you describe | 17:37 |
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| boris-42 | msdubov_ where? | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ ah see | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ okay when you are expecting to finish it? | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ ? | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | okay moving to next topic | 17:41 |
| boris-42 | #topic changes in Rally CI | 17:41 |
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| boris-42 | gate-rally-dsvm-cli - is going to be voting + in gates | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | as it works quite stable | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128246/ | 17:42 |
| boris-42 | here is patch | 17:42 |
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| boris-42 | We added as well new job | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | called gate-rally-tox-self | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | This job will be used to run Dummy scenarios | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | and test actually Rally | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | so there won't be devstack cloud | 17:43 |
| boris-42 | and we will use Dummy scenarios so we will be able to test a lot of for 25 mintues | 17:44 |
| msdubov_ | boris-42 Certainly this week, sorry for missing your message! | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ ok | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | msdubov_ then I will wait with first release | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | so we are going to test everything | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | 1) All runners | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | 2) Exceptions in any place of scenarios | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | 3) Timeouts | 17:44 |
| boris-42 | 4) Exceptions in context | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | 5) Maybe even new cleanup mechanism | 17:45 |
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| boris-42 | 6) Test it at large scale like 200k iterations | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | 7) Test it at high load 500rps | 17:45 |
| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, Rally will be used for testing Rally? http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/531/557/a88.jpg | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | and so on | 17:45 |
| andreykurilin_ | :) | 17:45 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ ggg | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ actually it is not rally for rally | 17:46 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ we are just running special task that test it=) | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | so this will be actually nice improvement in our functional testing stuff | 17:46 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | #topic Cleanup refactoring | 17:47 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, thanks for the clarification | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | I am finishing work on patch that rewrites from scratch cleanups | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | and makes them much better and safe | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | 1) retries | 17:47 |
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| boris-42 | 2) speed limitation | 17:47 |
| boris-42 | 3) simple way to add new resources to cleanup | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | 4) better & unfired logging of failures | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | so much much better then we have now | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | so we will cover almost everything | 17:48 |
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| boris-42 | from this #link https://github.com/stackforge/rally/blob/master/doc/feature_request/production_ready_cleanup.rst | 17:48 |
| boris-42 | everything except Disaster cleanup | 17:49 |
| boris-42 | that will be some of future steps | 17:49 |
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| boris-42 | Any questions about this? | 17:49 |
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| andreykurilin_ | when you want to finish this task?) | 17:50 |
| andreykurilin_ | boris-42 ^ | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | seems like no questions =) | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | #topic free discussions | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I hope tonight =) | 17:50 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ docstrings & code are mostly done | 17:50 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I need to write unit tests | 17:50 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, I updated the spec to openstack-qa today:) | 17:53 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ that's grate | 17:54 |
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| boris-42 | mtreinish ^ | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | dkranz | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | sorry guys for big delay in that stuff | 17:54 |
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| andreykurilin_ | a slight delay)) | 17:54 |
| andreykurilin_ | sorry | 17:54 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I will try to review it tomrrorw | 17:54 |
| andreykurilin_ | thx | 17:54 |
| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, now I have enough time for it | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ I hope you'll have enough time to implement it as well | 17:55 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ so we will be able to move from rally tempest.conf gerenation | 17:55 |
| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, yeap | 17:55 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ nice | 17:56 |
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| andreykurilin_ | boris-42, what about our first release? | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | oh | 17:56 |
| boris-42 | #topic release | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | I am going to start cutting release every two weeks | 17:56 |
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| boris-42 | so our first release should be 0.0.1 during this week | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ actually I would like to finish cleanup stuff + get merged msdubov patch | 17:57 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin_ before cutting it | 17:57 |
| andreykurilin_ | yeah, our first release should be stable enough :) | 17:58 |
| andreykurilin_ | and contain a lot of useful stuff | 17:58 |
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| andreykurilin_ | I agreed with you, lets wait for newest cleanup and msdubov patch | 17:59 |
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| boris-42 | okay we need to finish this meeting | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 17:59:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-14-17.10.html | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-14-17.10.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2014/rally.2014-10-14-17.10.log.html | 17:59 |
| andreykurilin_ | bye | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ayoung, bknudson, dstanek, jamielennox, morganfainberg, stevemar, gyee, henrynash, topol, marekd, lbragstad, joesavak, shardy, fabiog, nkinder, lloydm, shrekuma, ksavich, hrybacki, rharwood, grantbow, vdreamarkitex, raildo, rodrigods, amakarov, ajayaa, hogepodge, breton https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 17:59 |
| boris-42 | keystone guys hi there!=) | 17:59 |
| morganfainberg | it's that time | 17:59 |
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| morganfainberg | boris-42 hiya | 17:59 |
| rharwood | that magical time | 17:59 |
| bknudson | hi | 17:59 |
| nkinder | hey all | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
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| gyee | rharwood, magical like disney? | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, so iphone 6+ totally can do reviews and chat on irc from a coffee shop | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, :P | 18:00 |
| dolphm | lol | 18:00 |
| rharwood | gyee: a far sight cheaper :) | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | #startmeeting Keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 14 18:00:44 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is morganfainberg. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| henrynash | he | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hi too | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | good morning! | 18:00 |
| topol | o/ | 18:01 |
| ayoung | 😎 | 18:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:01 |
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| morganfainberg | so have a couple house keeping things to look at regarding the spec process then we're on to the important thing(s): Summit planning and session finalization | 18:01 |
| gyee | ayoung look scary | 18:01 |
| ayoung | 😫 | 18:01 |
| breton | hello | 18:01 |
| ayoung | how's that? | 18:02 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | #topic Kilo Spec Freeze deadline and adopting spec guidelines | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | Other projects have spec freeze deadlines. I just want to formalize it for us this cycle. | 18:02 |
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| morganfainberg | is K1 a reasonable target to freeze acceptance of specs for Kilo? | 18:02 |
| morganfainberg | 1/2 way to k2? | 18:03 |
| henrynash | K1 feels too early to me | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | K2 | 18:03 |
| morganfainberg | anything that isn't accepted beyond that point would need an exception granted. -- this does mean we *need* to step up and review | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | k1 follows very quickly after the summit | 18:03 |
| dolphm | first couple weeks in december, IIRC? | 18:03 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, i don't want the spec freeze deadline to be too late, i want to try and front load as many new features as possible this cycle to the start of development | 18:03 |
| ayoung | yeah...with US Thanksgiving and Xmas prep messing up the milestone | 18:04 |
| gyee | usually ppl put up POC code along with the spec anyway so we have something to look at | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i was thinking either K1 or 1/2 way thorugh K2 for spec freeze (gives us a window to make sure any exceptions can be accepted by k2) | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, fair point, K1 is too soon | 18:04 |
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| dstanek | what are other projects doing? | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | and what benefit do they get out of a spec approval deadline? | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | Nova has a cut spec freeze date, not sure what it is though | 18:05 |
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| henrynash | I’d propose m2….but remembering that getting the spec into m2 doesn’t gurantee you’re patch will make the release….just that NOT having the spec by m2 gurantees it will NOT. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, it limits the scope of when new code lands. | 18:05 |
| ayoung | henrynash, agreed | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, so we don't have tons and tons of stuff going in late in the release | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, exactly | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | it's just making sure we keep enough time for changes to land post spec approval. | 18:05 |
| morganfainberg | i'm fine with M2 if that is the general consensus. | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | changes to core APIs can also be K2 if we want to be conservative | 18:06 |
| gyee | when is the midterm meetup? spec usually get approve by then right? | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | gyee, mid cycle has been a couple week prior to m2 | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | if we say the spec cut of is milestone 2, do we require that you have code up for review by then too? | 18:06 |
| ayoung | I know we were shifting the emphasis to the spec reviews, but I think its OK to say "any API changes after K2 will be in extensions only" | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | lbragstad, no, just the spec approved | 18:06 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberq: and I think it puts the pressur on a proposer to try and get it into m1 since that gives them a much greater change of getting the patch by m3 | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:06 |
| gyee | morganfainberg, so m2 sound pretty reasonable | 18:06 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, ++ | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | ok so lets set the deadline to m2 for approval. Exceptions can/will be granted as needed. but lets front load what we can | 18:07 |
| dstanek | does this mean we'll be more strict about only merging patches that are part of approved specs? | 18:07 |
| morganfainberg | dstanek, that is the next bit here. | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | so. another thing i like that nova is doing is trival BPs | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | No specs for trivial blueprints, just create the BP in LaunchPad and New, targeted, unapproved BPs will be reviewed in weekly meetings, If it is agreed they are indeed trivial in the meeting, they will be approved. (same as Nova), this should be minimal overhead. | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | if it isn't trivial, we force a spec | 18:08 |
| bknudson | what's the difference between a trivial bp and a wishlist bug? | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i'd say same general level. | 18:08 |
| stevemar | bknudson, i think that's morganfainberg's call to make :P | 18:09 |
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| henrynash | morganfainberq: I like it…we just have to make sure we DO discuss in the meeting, so that we don’t delay asking the proposer to go write a full spec | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | i'd rather see things as BPs than wishlist bugs. because "wishlist" isn't really a bug. | 18:09 |
| gyee | anything that take more than two paragraphs to explain :) | 18:09 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, correct, it'll be the first thing on the meeting each week | 18:09 |
| ayoung | wishlist may not be trivial | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | sure. and therefore it would need a spec, just the same as a bigger bp | 18:10 |
| nkinder | yeah, wishlist seems to indicate importance/priority, not scope | 18:10 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, can we have an exemption process for specs that were not proposed before k2? | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | ok. | 18:10 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, absolutely, it'll be a message to the mailing asking for an exception. | 18:11 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, then the team will either yes exception / no sorry | 18:11 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, iirc there were a few that were proposed late J2 or early J3 this time around | 18:11 |
| stevemar | OK | 18:11 |
| topol | lbragstad, why would you need code at time of spec? | 18:11 |
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| morganfainberg | henrynash, this also means any BPs that are untargeted / unapproved / etc I'm going to go cleanup in LP [if we like the trivial bp model] | 18:12 |
| dolphm | we've only required code in the past if you're asking for an exemption, as proof that the exemption isn't in vain | 18:12 |
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| lbragstad | topol: I was thinking if the spec were to be approved late in the process, it would speed up the review of the implementation | 18:12 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: ++ | 18:12 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think that is a fair request to maintain | 18:12 |
| bknudson | cleaning up lp bps would be great. | 18:12 |
| bknudson | people keep asking me when an old bp is going to be implemented. | 18:13 |
| nkinder | +1 on cleaning up bps | 18:13 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, i admit, that was the other thing i felt we'd get out of this since we managed to do a good job on the bugs, time to solve the BPs | 18:13 |
| nkinder | bknudson: I get those same questions... | 18:13 |
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| morganfainberg | great job on keeping the bugs triaged, btw | 18:13 |
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| morganfainberg | everyone, thanks for keeping eyes on those | 18:13 |
| ayoung | close all the BPs, then reopen the ones we want | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, thats the general idea | 18:13 |
| morganfainberg | i might be a little more tactical if i know we have one that should be reviewed now. | 18:14 |
| dolphm | bknudson: maybe all old BP's should be updated with some status and message saying it's blocked by a lack of approved spec? | 18:14 |
| morganfainberg | i'll write up an email explaining the guidelines and we'll get a fix to the spec repo readme to show the new bp/deadline guideline. | 18:14 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, not sure if LP has such a "setting" | 18:15 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | or maybe it's "blocked"? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: no, that raises ttx's alarm bells | 18:15 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, lets just close out the BPs that are old. | 18:15 |
| dolphm | Definition: Drafting? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | eh, maybe? | 18:16 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: but what about new ones that are opened without specs? | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | Priority: Not? | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i was thinking of closing out the ancient ones, any new ones opened w/o specs we'd keep (a bit more "tactical" than close them all) | 18:16 |
| morganfainberg | then we can review them and say "yes, do it" or "go spec write" | 18:16 |
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| morganfainberg | i'll see how nova classifies them in the latter category | 18:17 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: that conflicts with the existing spec process, IMO, where the first part of the spec is an argument that the problem statement is actually a problem | 18:17 |
| stevemar | theres only 141 bps, shouldn't be an issue at all | 18:17 |
| bknudson | stevemar: what's the oldest bp? | 18:17 |
| dolphm | stevemar: and there's no (documented?) blueprints API on LP | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: Implementation: Deferred (.. pending spec)? | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think my point is we should keep the spec process light for the things like "add pycadf notifications", regardless of the classifier | 18:18 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, yeah that one sounds right. | 18:19 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, i like deferred as a choice... | 18:20 |
| morganfainberg | i also feel like a lot of the bps will be closed since they just haven't ever been cleaned up really | 18:20 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm, or "pending approval"? | 18:21 |
| stevemar | bknudson, i can't find a way to sort it by age | 18:21 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: pending approval is the default already | 18:21 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, "new" is the default | 18:21 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: oh, Direction: Needs Approval is what i was thinking of | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | ah | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 18:22 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: i don't think we use that field either | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | no we don't let me see which fields only the drivers can set | 18:22 |
| morganfainberg | we'll pick one of those (if possible) to classify needing approval / spec | 18:22 |
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| morganfainberg | i'll figure that out post meeting. | 18:23 |
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| morganfainberg | ok... so no opposition to the deadline or the trivial bp change? | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | or concerns? | 18:24 |
| topol | morganfainberg, is the blueprint spec template changing any? | 18:24 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, again, please let me clean up my own. I have quite a few there that have been "parking lot" items | 18:24 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/failing-tests for example | 18:24 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, please clean those up today then? | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | or tomorrow | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | Will do. Just don't want them disappearing on me. | 18:24 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, or i can classify all of them as "needing spec" and we can just revisit | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/alembic https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/basic-auth https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/delegation-workplans https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/distributed-signing | 18:25 |
| ayoung | ah, yeah, alembic... | 18:25 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i wont close yours out. | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: actually, here's all 42 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ayoung | 18:25 |
| dolphm | that leaves 100 | 18:25 |
| dolphm | 99 | 18:25 |
| bknudson | ayoung just needs to get 2 bps done a week. | 18:25 |
| ayoung | Heh, thought for sure I'd have more than half of them | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, so, can i just classify all of yours as "needs" spec and we'll revisit them as you have achance to look them over? | 18:26 |
| dstanek | i'll go through my outstanding ones after this meeting | 18:26 |
| topol | morganfainberg, Im gonna work on a CADF BP for gyee, Do I use the same spec template as last time? | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | couple fo them have specs as well, but I can set those myself, so sure | 18:26 |
| ayoung | er, have specs already | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, if they have a spec i'll leave them | 18:26 |
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| morganfainberg | topol, is it something that really needs a spec in light of "trivial bp" guidelines? | 18:26 |
| ayoung | ssl-everywhere is, I think, beyond just Keystone now. | 18:26 |
| morganfainberg | topol, i'd say the previous cadf spec would have fallen into that category | 18:27 |
| bknudson | there's ssl config in devstack now | 18:27 |
| topol | morganfainberg, folks like to know what fields are gonna be there and why. I could make it fit in the trivial BP I guess | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | topol, if you feel better with the spec, use the spec :) | 18:27 |
| topol | morganfinberg, maybe I just like to hurt myself :-) | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | topol, i wont say "no" to having a more formal BP. and yes the previous template you used is fine imo | 18:27 |
| morganfainberg | s/template/form | 18:28 |
| topol | morganfainberg, I think I try the lighter approach this time | 18:28 |
| gyee | topol, morganfainberg, thanks, CADF is useful for end-to-end trace | 18:28 |
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| morganfainberg | great. | 18:28 |
| bknudson | is it just projects that need cadf? why add one at a time? | 18:28 |
| topol | bknudson, good point! | 18:29 |
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| gyee | bknudson, yeah, openstack services track projects so that's why its more urgent | 18:29 |
| gyee | projects represents ownership | 18:29 |
| stevemar | bknudson, i was actually going to propose that we make all the 'normal' notifications into CADF ones, but was going to wait til summit | 18:29 |
| gyee | but I agree, it should be available for all APIs | 18:30 |
| bknudson | oops, stole stevemar's thunder. | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, lol | 18:30 |
| ayoung | stevemar, ++ | 18:30 |
| stevemar | i think dolphm gave me a todo to dig into the notification as a contract, but i never did :) | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, good idea | 18:30 |
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| topol | stevemar ++ | 18:30 |
| ayoung | why have two notifications formats | 18:30 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, ++++++++++ | 18:30 |
| ayoung | CADF for the People! | 18:31 |
| nkinder | stevemar: yeah, breaking consumers of existing notifications would be my only concern | 18:31 |
| topol | everyone +++++ | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | and cadf provides a nice "known" format | 18:31 |
| nkinder | but CADF for everything makes a lot of sense | 18:31 |
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| stevemar | nkinder, yeah, we would deprecate it over 2 releases of course! | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, maybe a toggle "non-cadf compat notify" | 18:31 |
| stevemar | ohh nice | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | with a fixed deprecation/removal timeline | 18:31 |
| gyee | or make it configurable of we have concerns over the interface | 18:31 |
| topol | morganfainberg very cool | 18:31 |
| morganfainberg | ok this can be followed up in spec/irc/etc, sounds like we totally should do cadf all the things | 18:32 |
| nkinder | gyee: I'd prefer that we let the old one die instead of having something that is configurable long-term | 18:32 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg, i can toss up a spec | 18:32 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar, perfect! | 18:32 |
| gyee | nkinder, sure no argument here | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | ok so the next big topic... Summit session planning | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | #topic Kilo Summit Planning Design Session Schedule | 18:33 |
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| morganfainberg | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-keystone-summit-topics | 18:33 |
| morganfainberg | I've put up a tentative schedule of the sessions | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | we have one open slot still to fill. I'm open to merging / dropping / changing the sessions | 18:34 |
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| morganfainberg | and the timeslots | 18:34 |
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| not_jamielennox | Jamie wanted to discuss policy future direction | 18:34 |
| morganfainberg | and I would like to get some volunteers to lead the session(s) | 18:34 |
| not_jamielennox | I'm guessing it's in the same vein as the thread morganfainberg started | 18:35 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, i thought the session schedule was pretty good imo | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | not_jamielennox, ? | 18:35 |
| bknudson | is not_jamielennox ever coming back? | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, ask his wife | 18:35 |
| gyee | ++ for policy future discussions | 18:35 |
| not_jamielennox | next week I believe | 18:35 |
| morganfainberg | so two *really* important things: we need the starting questiosn for the Ops session (similar to what we had laast summit) and we need to fill the last session slot | 18:35 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, make two slots for federation | 18:36 |
| bknudson | policy is a good topic for discussion at summit since we can get more ops folks there. | 18:36 |
| not_jamielennox | so is policy worth a session, or should it be somethign more informal in our open/free discussion time? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | K2K, saml for Horizon will both take a while | 18:36 |
| bknudson | I'm sure they have their complaints if they ever tried to change it. | 18:36 |
| ayoung | what about policy? | 18:36 |
| not_jamielennox | ...or read it | 18:36 |
| marekd | ayoung: ++ | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | I'd be willing to dedicate one of our sessions to the policy discussion (thread I started) | 18:36 |
| morganfainberg | or another federation session | 18:36 |
| ayoung | Better Policy Model and Representing Capabilites? | 18:36 |
| dolphm | how about whiskey | 18:36 |
| not_jamielennox | I think both are important, but federation seems more immediate | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, yes | 18:37 |
| marekd | not_jamielennox: ++ | 18:37 |
| gyee | dolphm, oh yeah :) | 18:37 |
| dolphm | someone bring plastic cups this time | 18:37 |
| ayoung | dolphm, that is probably going to be replaced by Wine, as we are going to be in Paris | 18:37 |
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| morganfainberg | the options I see for the last slot: VO, Split ID, 2nd fEderation, or Policy | 18:37 |
| dolphm | Keystone Wine Tasting Session # it'll be the most popular session on the schedule | 18:37 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, ++ | 18:37 |
| topol | morganfainberg, so after my customer visit I got more feedback on how openstack documentation needs significnat improvement. Any way to solicit feedback on where it needs to be improved? | 18:37 |
| gyee | hell yeah! | 18:37 |
| dolphm | Federated Wine Tasting Policies | 18:37 |
| nkinder | bring your wine, we'll taste it? | 18:38 |
| dolphm | camoflauge | 18:38 |
| stevemar | i think it's a bit early to talk about VO | 18:38 |
| marekd | stevemar: VO -> virtual organizations ? | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | topol, we can do that either as a question in the ops session as one of the starting questions | 18:38 |
| gyee | Hierarchical MultiWine Tasting FTW! | 18:38 |
| stevemar | marekd, oui | 18:38 |
| morganfainberg | topol, in fact... thats exactly where I'd put it | 18:38 |
| ayoung | stevemar, more line Vin0 | 18:38 |
| dolphm | how about a Show & Tell for people's strange deployments and extensions | 18:38 |
| bknudson | I don't think we've had any sessions on K2K federation | 18:38 |
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| nkinder | SO I'd vote for a second federation session I think | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | federate all the things?! | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | ok so nix VO, and i think split identity is a "meetup topic" | 18:39 |
| nkinder | I definitely want to talk about the future policy, but I don't know that we need to use a formal session slot this time | 18:39 |
| topol | who is bringing the paper 3oz bathroom cups so we can drink alcohol in style??? | 18:39 |
| ayoung | I think K2K and the policy discussion will flow into each other anyway | 18:39 |
| marekd | stevemar: lol, federated neutrons, ceilometers, novas etc | 18:39 |
| gyee | nkinder, federation and horizon is another session | 18:39 |
| gyee | integration I mean | 18:39 |
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| marekd | stevemar: javak would be in 7th heaven | 18:39 |
| nkinder | topol: paper has been nixed IIRC | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, hehe, i | 18:39 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, i think i'd be scarred of what people would present | 18:39 |
| marekd | stevemar: why would you be interested in VOs ? | 18:39 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: that's why we'll also have wine | 18:40 |
| ayoung | VOs also part of K2K | 18:40 |
| stevemar | marekd, i'm not, i was just being polite | 18:40 |
| topol | nkinder dont you know my sarcasm by now? | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm, good idea | 18:40 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I have a solution...wanna see it? | 18:40 |
| marekd | stevemar: to KENT (?) | 18:40 |
| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/2014/10/who-can-sign-for-what/ | 18:40 |
| morganfainberg | so, policy? or more federation? I think we can say "hey people show up on friday and lets talk policy" | 18:40 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung, VO i think is part of K2K and multitenency, probably needs things to be more mature before we can really design around it | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I've been heads down working on just that problem for #moc | 18:42 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg, yeah, that's what i was getting at | 18:42 |
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| gyee | how do we measure "mature"? just curious | 18:42 |
| henrynash | morgainfainberg: if we already have a federation slot, then a policy one seems a good balance | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | ++ | 18:42 |
| morganfainberg | gyee, considering K2K is expirimental and multitenency isn't merged, i'd say it's a fair bet that neither are mature | 18:43 |
| marekd | :( | 18:43 |
| marekd | sadly, yes | 18:43 |
| bknudson | We should have a session on how to get K2K past experimental | 18:43 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, testing i think is going to be the long and short of it. | 18:44 |
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| morganfainberg | to start. | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | morganfainberg, I'm in the middle of a k2k deployment here | 18:44 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, ah nice! | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | just stopped to maintain HM patches | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | have several doc improvements suggestions though =) | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | will submit once I finish it | 18:44 |
| stevemar | rodrigods, you will be in paris? | 18:45 |
| marekd | rodrigods: extra | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | stevemar, no =( | 18:45 |
| morganfainberg | rodrigods, :( | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | can I participate via hangout from the wine tasting? =D | 18:45 |
| ayoung | rodrigods, rock on. rock on. | 18:45 |
| stevemar | rodrigods, of course, we will pour you a cup | 18:45 |
| marekd | rodrigods: we will put you on the projector. | 18:45 |
| gyee | rodrigods, that's mandatory | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | rodrigods, you keep up the good work and we'll mail you a bottle | 18:45 |
| topol | rodrigods, come on its paris. everyone else is going | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | =( | 18:46 |
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| rodrigods | haven't got sponsored | 18:46 |
| rodrigods | Vancouver ftw | 18:46 |
| rodrigods | =) | 18:46 |
| raildo | I agree that rodrigods is doing a great job :) | 18:46 |
| ayoung | 15 minutes left | 18:46 |
| topol | rodrigods, OK, are you astudent? | 18:46 |
| gyee | openstack has scholarship thingy right? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | topol, take it out of channel | 18:46 |
| morganfainberg | raildo, you going to be in paris? | 18:46 |
| topol | gyee read my mind | 18:46 |
| rodrigods | gyee, topol just finished my masters | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | not anymore | 18:47 |
| rodrigods | =) | 18:47 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, yes :) | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | ok, sorry guys we need to keep on topic | 18:47 |
| morganfainberg | raildo, ok so mind working with gyee to lead the HM session? | 18:47 |
| raildo | morganfainberg, sure | 18:47 |
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| raildo | i'll talk with gyee later about this | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | henrynash, nkinder, ayoung, topol, any of you up to help lead the Ops session (as in help put together the initial questions)? | 18:48 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think policy requires some discussion, but probably should be done in the same topic as the token one | 18:48 |
| topol | sure | 18:48 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: sure, I’d be keen on that one | 18:48 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: yeah, sure | 18:48 |
| gyee | raildo, thanks | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | ok i'll let you guys come up with some basic questions. | 18:48 |
| bknudson | I'm sure we could spend 40 mins talking about tokens and not come to a conclusion | 18:48 |
| morganfainberg | look at what we did last summit | 18:48 |
| bknudson | unless somebody's got a great idea that solves all our problems. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm willing to moderate any of the sessions you need me to. | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, we have a session topic for it, dolph has agreed to help lead | 18:49 |
| raildo | gyee, you're welcome | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, but mostly we're focusing on how to work on our current high prio issues | 18:49 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, and/or examine if there is an alternative to tokens we want to explore. | 18:49 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. signed requests (ec2), etc | 18:50 |
| gyee | ++ | 18:50 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, so probably policy belonds with authorization at [0900 - 0940] Authorization | 18:50 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, i can shuffle some stuff around and put policy in after that session | 18:50 |
| henrynash | morganfainberg: feel free to put me down to help on the hierachical multitenancy too | 18:50 |
| ayoung | No, merge it in | 18:51 |
| raildo | henrynash, ++ | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, 40 minutes | 18:51 |
| gyee | ayoung, policy will be mentioned a lot | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, we wont get it all done. | 18:51 |
| bknudson | ok. I'm suggesting we're not going to get through token discussion in 40 mins so we can't merge it | 18:51 |
| rodrigods | henrynash, HM -> revieeeews | 18:51 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson, ++ | 18:51 |
| henrynash | rodigods: yeah, I know, I know… | 18:51 |
| ayoung | fair enough | 18:51 |
| morganfainberg | so we can either save policy for another time [ let it play out on the ML ] or make it a session. | 18:52 |
| bknudson | I'd rather we had a focused discussion and made a decision rather than trying to get through a bunch of topics with no decision on any of them | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | i'm willing to put the stake in the ground that we'll own that topic as Keystone. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | let make it a session | 18:52 |
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| gyee | ayoung, ++ | 18:52 |
| ayoung | lets put keystone client in the morning, and due auth and policy back to back | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | ok. we can look at Federation contiuation (non-cross session) as part of the meeting. | 18:52 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: I think it's so tied up with tokens/roles/etc., that we have to own if (or be a large part of it) | 18:52 |
| morganfainberg | nkinder, sure. | 18:52 |
| bknudson | I think there's enough discussion to be had on policy topics | 18:52 |
| bknudson | for a session by itself | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | sounds good. | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | s/meeting/meetup ^ | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | ok i'll try and setup so client, auth, and policy are grouped together | 18:53 |
| morganfainberg | i'm going to try and get the policy one in the most open of the slots so we can get the most people involved. | 18:54 |
| bknudson | what are we doing monday and tuesday if there's no keystone topics? | 18:54 |
| marekd | bknudson: t-shirts hunting | 18:54 |
| ayoung | does anyone have any concrete research material we should read up on prior to the summit? | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | there is cross project stuff on tuesday I think | 18:54 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson, monday is ops track (the big ops sessions, not the project specific one), and tuesday is cross project | 18:54 |
| ayoung | Oauth2 has come up a few times, and I'm guessing JWT | 18:54 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, we could sneak in some informal keystone sessions on monday, as we all walk past each other | 18:55 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, nkinder, can i have you guys lead the client session if jamie isn't able to? | 18:55 |
| marekd | will there be project pods ? | 18:55 |
| marekd | like in ATL | 18:55 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, any of us can, but Jamie will be there | 18:55 |
| stevemar | but we should probably attend other project sessions | 18:56 |
| stevemar | marekd, i believe so | 18:56 |
| gyee | marekd, should be | 18:56 |
| nkinder | morganfainberg: yeah, I'm sure Jamie will lead it | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, right i just don't want to spring it on him w/o asking | 18:56 |
| ayoung | he's expecting to moderate | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | cool | 18:56 |
| morganfainberg | marekd, ayoung, stevemar, horizon-sso-federation-cli | 18:57 |
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| marekd | morganfainberg: i can help | 18:57 |
| morganfainberg | mind if i place you guys on the hook for that one? | 18:57 |
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| ayoung | I'll take policy, too, if you don't want to morganfainberg | 18:57 |
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| * morganfainberg nods. | 18:58 | |
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| ayoung | hook me for any you need. I'd suspect stevemar and marekd have Federation down, but I've been looking at the Horizon tie in | 18:58 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung, sounds good. | 18:58 |
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| marekd | ++ | 18:58 |
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| morganfainberg | i'll shuffle the timeslots and see what I can get and hit everyone in -keystone channel before pushing to sched.org | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | and with that | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | we're out of time | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | thanks everyone! | 18:59 |
| morganfainberg | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 18:59:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-10-14-18.00.html | 18:59 |
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| bknudson | thanks | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-10-14-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| nkinder | thanks! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2014/keystone.2014-10-14-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| marekd | bya | 18:59 |
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| morganfainberg | jeblair, clarkb, ^ topic of the channel is a bit wonky | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | morganfainberg: oh thanks | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | all the ops | 19:01 |
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| fungi | beat me to it | 19:01 |
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| fungi | infra team assemble! | 19:01 |
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| AJaeger_ | Yes, sir! | 19:01 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
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| irina_pov | o/ | 19:02 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:02 |
| ociuhandu | hi all | 19:02 |
| fungi | ianw and krotscheck have items on the agenda too... | 19:02 |
| clarkb | ohai | 19:02 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
| jhesketh | Howdy | 19:02 |
| krotscheck | hi hi | 19:02 |
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| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| krotscheck | Urm, my agenda item was supposed to not be there anymore. | 19:02 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | krotscheck: oh, it was a to-do item for after thursday i think | 19:03 |
| jeblair | i did not see it on the prev meeting log so i left it | 19:03 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 14 19:03:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| jeblair | #link previous meeting http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-10-07-19.00.html | 19:04 |
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| krotscheck | Oh! Ok, yeah, i do have something there, my bad. | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| jeblair | AJaeger_ draft documentation publishing job for devstack | 19:04 |
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| AJaeger_ | https://review.openstack.org/126716 - waiting for a patch to merge into devstack first | 19:04 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126716/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | oh, excellent. i haven't reviewed that yet ;) | 19:05 |
| AJaeger_ | patch by mordred is approved, should be in later today... | 19:05 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: they were approved this morning | 19:05 |
| AJaeger_ | anteaya: not yet merged | 19:05 |
| jesusaurus | o/ | 19:05 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126714/ | 19:05 |
| anteaya | 7 and 8 in the gate | 19:05 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126720/ | 19:05 |
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| timrc | o/ | 19:05 |
| jeblair | so cool | 19:05 |
| * AJaeger_ will remove the WIP once the devstack patches are merged | 19:05 | |
| jeblair | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:06 |
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| AJaeger_ | feel free to remove already | 19:06 |
| jeblair | Swift logs | 19:06 |
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| jhesketh | Sorry I have nothing to report (been away for a week) | 19:06 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_logs_next_steps | 19:06 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: me too so i wouldn't have noticed ;) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I have one little thing | 19:06 |
| jeblair | i gather we are running more jobs with swift uploads now | 19:06 |
| fungi | we definitely are | 19:06 |
| jhesketh | The infra jobs are | 19:07 |
| jeblair | and we should be experimenting with fetching them and checking on performance, right? | 19:07 |
| clarkb | I got the updated upload script onto all the slaves so now we can clean up where we were fetching the old console log without timestamps | 19:07 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: ^ is there a change for that yet? | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: yup. I did some initial `time wget $URL` tests and its not so great :/ | 19:07 |
| jhesketh | Yep but I haven't done anything towards comparing performance | 19:07 |
| clarkb | its at least an order of magnitude slower. Goes from 200ms ish time frame to 2000ms timeframe in the best case | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: not yet, I'll do that today | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I have seen requests take over 20 seconds too | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | Yeah first loads seem terrible | 19:08 |
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| clarkb | (I didn't do anything scientifically, just wanted to get an initial feel for it) | 19:08 |
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| jhesketh | Not sure if it's reauthing or something else | 19:09 |
| jeblair | are we still avoiding stream parsing because it's hard? | 19:09 |
| jeblair | istr a conversation about how we needed to download the whole file before os-log-analyze started parsing it | 19:09 |
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| jhesketh | jeblair: what do you mean by stream parsing? | 19:09 |
| jeblair | i mean having os-loganalyse act in a streaming manner | 19:10 |
| jhesketh | Oh right, we are doing that (ie fetching and serving in chunks) | 19:10 |
| jeblair | ok | 19:10 |
| clarkb | I meant to ask about chunk size though but we can do that after the meeting | 19:10 |
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| jhesketh | 64k I /think/ | 19:11 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: it shouldn't have to auth at all, right? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | os-loganalyze is anonymous read access, yeah? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | jeblair: it is not anonymous it must auth due to the way rax does public anonymous access (CDN required) | 19:11 |
| jhesketh | jeblair: for downloading we auth with a ro account | 19:12 |
| clarkb | jeblair: so we could set up CDN and do it properly anonymously | 19:12 |
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| jhesketh | Yeah we aren't using any cdn features so I'm not sure what difference they'll make | 19:12 |
| jeblair | okay, so it's probably worth looking into whether we are re-authing, the chunk size, and whether using anonymous cdn are faster | 19:13 |
| fungi | well, "your" cdn is the only way to get anonymous read access without a separate authenticated proxy | 19:13 |
| fungi | (not that i blame you for all rackspace design decisions) | 19:13 |
| jhesketh | Heh | 19:13 |
| fungi | but it's definitely useful feedback we should be providing to rax | 19:14 |
| jeblair | jhesketh: that's a lovely cdn you have! | 19:14 |
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| fungi | "we don't need a cdn, we just want to publish some files" | 19:14 |
| mordred | can I ask a stupid question? | 19:14 |
| jeblair | in this case, i don't think we need to worry about any dns stuff, since it's backend, we can just use the really-long-url supplied | 19:14 |
| clarkb | jeblair: good point | 19:14 |
| fungi | oh, yeah if there's a way we can simply hyperlink the hash urls, then done | 19:15 |
| mordred | is it possible to re-do os-log-analyze as javascript, embed it in the log file before we upload to swift, then serve directly to user from cdn? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | mordred: yes, but that breaks the use case for non browser users | 19:15 |
| mordred | ah. k | 19:15 |
| mordred | nevermind then | 19:15 |
| fungi | unless we have separate urls for mangled and non-mangled copies of files | 19:16 |
| jeblair | mordred: the main objection from sdague to pre-processing is he wants to be able to have old log files receieve new highlighting treatment | 19:16 |
| jeblair | (and doing the embed at upload is == pre-processing) | 19:16 |
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| mordred | we could embed a link to the os-loganalyze javascript file | 19:16 |
| jeblair | ya | 19:16 |
| mordred | and a function invocation | 19:16 |
| jhesketh | I think there was also concerns about JavaScript/browser performance | 19:16 |
| jeblair | also os-loganalyze is slowing down though. i think it's worth revisiting that assumption at some point | 19:16 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:17 |
| * mordred just brainstorming options in case all of our swift fetch/process/sever stories are all 2s | 19:17 | |
| jeblair | jhesketh: i think he's given up on firefox working regardless, so as long as it works well in chrom* we're probably no worse off | 19:17 |
| jhesketh | :-( Firefox | 19:17 |
| clarkb | huh, I use it with firefox and its fine | 19:17 |
| jeblair | firefox working -> firefox being remotely performant loading large files of any sort | 19:17 |
| jeblair | clarkb: with really long nova log files? | 19:18 |
| clarkb | jeblair: last I looked at them yes | 19:18 |
| clarkb | it just require a couple seconds of patience | 19:18 |
| jeblair | (i regret saying 'working', that was very misleading) | 19:18 |
| jeblair | clarkb: oh yeah, i don't think people have patience anymore | 19:18 |
| jeblair | how quaint | 19:18 |
| anteaya | firefox teaches patience | 19:18 |
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| mordred | EVERYTHING is slow all the time | 19:18 |
| anteaya | are you on a string between two cans? | 19:19 |
| fungi | meh, i use a variant of ff and have had no issues looking at really long nova logs in os-la... then again i have patience by the bucketload | 19:19 |
| mordred | anteaya: it feels like it | 19:19 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:19 |
| clarkb | but I also open the files directly with vim | 19:19 |
| anteaya | fungi: you do | 19:19 |
| jeblair | anyway, we have a few more things to look at before we revisit basic assumptions | 19:19 |
| clarkb | :o http://foo works great :) | 19:19 |
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| fungi | heh | 19:19 |
| jeblair | Config repo split | 19:19 |
| fungi | anteaya: has reviews up! | 19:20 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:config-rename,n,z | 19:20 |
| fungi | i vote we rename at 20:00 on friday | 19:20 |
| anteaya | I do | 19:20 |
| jeblair | last meeting "we" said we'd do this last friday but instead we decided to release openstack or something | 19:20 |
| anteaya | and some even pass jenkins atm | 19:20 |
| jeblair | 20:00fri wfm | 19:20 |
| fungi | we gave it a miss so we wouldn't risk upsetting ttx's rc activities last weekend | 19:20 |
| clarkb | 2000 friday sounds good here as well | 19:20 |
| anteaya | I am willing to bump stuff for ttx | 19:20 |
| fungi | but juno is out on thursday, so friday should be all clear | 19:20 |
| fungi | and pleia2 already has an announcement drafted | 19:21 |
| anteaya | so review, I will keep them wip or -2 so they don't get merged | 19:21 |
| anteaya | and then I will probably need to rebase them all just before we get going | 19:21 |
| fungi | anteaya: i've already -2'd the project-config review so the others can be un-wip'd | 19:21 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:21 |
| anteaya | -2 the parent on the config repo too | 19:22 |
| fungi | the first project-config review in line i mean. the others can't merge anyway if it doesn't. (though the top openstack-infra/config change needs similar) | 19:22 |
| jeblair | awesome. we should probably retroactively put anteaya as the primary assignee of the spec when we move it to 'implemented'. :) | 19:22 |
| anteaya | fungi: I'll dig that one up after the meeting | 19:22 |
| fungi | yeah, will do | 19:22 |
| anteaya | fungi: thanks | 19:22 |
| anteaya | jeblair: aw, thanks :D | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | if anyone wants to make other edits (jeblair?), my draft is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/system-config-announce | 19:23 |
| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/system-config-announce | 19:23 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:config-rename,n,z | 19:23 |
| anteaya | etherpad roulette (what colour am I now?) | 19:23 |
| nibalizer | pleia2: looks good | 19:23 |
| fungi | oh, anteaya already linked the topic | 19:23 |
| jeblair | pleia2: ++ | 19:23 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thanks though | 19:24 |
| jeblair | Nodepool DIB | 19:24 |
| clarkb | ohai | 19:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb: want to summarize? | 19:24 |
| * mordred hands clarkb wet cats to throw | 19:24 | |
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| fungi | wet cats are what makes the summary | 19:25 |
| clarkb | sure. Basically held up by a couple dib things we need to get sorted out in the near future. First need to upgrade nodepool.o.o to trusty in order to build centos7 images. But Need to wait for a DIB bugfix that will let us set TMPDIR so that we can use rax perforamnce nodes instead of standard nodes | 19:25 |
| mordred | jeblair: catpool? | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I also have a dib change up that will spit out multiple copies of a single image in different formats. This is needed to make images for hpcloud and rax | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | long term, there is a spec jeblair wrote to make image builds farmed out to gearman workers | 19:26 |
| fungi | well, unless we want nodepool to convert immediately prior to upload | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127673/ | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i don't consider that a priority spec at this point | 19:26 |
| clarkb | so that in he future instead of needing to upgrade the main nodepool service we can just spin up gearman worker nodes with the proper software and have them build the images for us | 19:26 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:26 |
| jeblair | but i do think it will help alleviate some classes of problems we have been seeing (and are likely to see repeats of) | 19:26 |
| fungi | which also works around platform-cpecific shortcomings | 19:27 |
| * mordred also wants to write a spec for glance about glance-side image format conversion | 19:27 | |
| clarkb | I intend of building a new nodepool node after release and as soon as the dib bug around TMPDIR is fixed | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | s/intend of/intend to/ | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | sounds like a plan | 19:27 |
| nibalizer | mordred: ++ i agree thats a feature glance should have | 19:27 |
| clarkb | mostly I think replacing nodepool has potential to disrupt release by starving nodes if two nodepools fight for quota so I want to wait for that to be done | 19:27 |
| fungi | i think if the new nodepool is spun up in parallel during a quiet-ish period, should be non-impacting (as long as we're running under quota for a sustained period) | 19:28 |
| clarkb | there will likely be a short time period where nodepool is off and alien nodes will need to be deleted | 19:28 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:28 |
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| jeblair | Docs publishing is waiting on more feedback from swift logs | 19:28 |
| jeblair | Jobs on trusty | 19:28 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py34-transition | 19:29 |
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| fungi | still in progress, some movement on blocking bugs. i'm currently (as we speak) running another pass to see what's still broken, or if new broken has emerged | 19:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: we should test the proposed python3.4 package(s) | 19:29 |
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| fungi | i'll update that etherpad once the current pass finishes | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | upstream ubuntu has a PPA with the SRU backported python3.4 fix | 19:30 |
| fungi | yes, that's on my to do list once i see what's still showing broken | 19:30 |
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| clarkb | awesome | 19:30 |
| jeblair | #info upstream ubuntu has a PPA with the SRU backported python3.4 fix | 19:30 |
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| fungi | right, now it just needs to actually end up in trusty-backports | 19:30 |
| fungi | hopefully if we follow up to the bug with positive confirmation we don't see the issue with the proposed backport package, that should help | 19:30 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:31 |
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| fungi | anyway, that's the recap | 19:31 |
| jeblair | #topic Kilo summit topic brainstorming pad (fungi) | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-infrastructure-summit-topics | 19:31 |
| fungi | i've mostly just been prodding people to put random ideas on that etherpad while you were out. but it's probably about time now to start deciding what we're going to talk about in paris | 19:31 |
| jeblair | work is ongoing in that etherpad as we speak! :) | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: we cleared up the thing I added. Anything else you wanted from me on that? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | jeblair: your sentence under mine makes sense to me | 19:32 |
| fungi | yep. we can either take time in today's meeting to try and decide stuff, or just work on that out of band over the coming week | 19:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: no, i think that's something we should talk about it some form | 19:33 |
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| jeblair | i just added functional testing in there for completeness, but honestly at this point, i think it needs to be a tc cross-project session | 19:33 |
| jeblair | pleia2: do you think that we are at a point with the translation tools for a session to be effective? | 19:34 |
| krtaylor | for the third-party CI session, I'll remove it, I added it here before I knew anteaya was working on getting it added another way | 19:34 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: yes, I've been chatting with Daisy over the past couple of days and she would really like to have one | 19:34 |
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| pleia2 | jeblair: if we can't, we'll find a table somewhere and pull in some key people, we need to meet somehow | 19:35 |
| jeblair | pleia2: i ask because we have talked about replacing it at the last two summits -- i don't want to have another session where the outcome is "evaluate options" :) | 19:35 |
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| AJaeger_ | pleia2: agreed, we need to sit together. | 19:35 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: okay, if you think it's ready for real outcome, i'm game. :) | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | jeblair: yeah, it's going to be either pootle or zanata, now that I understand how we use transifex (thanks AJaeger_!) I'm in a much better spot | 19:35 |
| fungi | also, the i18n team has had demos of both | 19:36 |
| anteaya | I put infra-manual on the etherpad just because activity there is low, doesn't have to be a summit item as long as we can move past the blockages | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | yeah, I'm in the midst of guiding them through some additional pootle workflows, but at this point I think they'd be happy with either one, we need to look at it from the infra side | 19:36 |
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| jeblair | perhaps we can agree that if we have that session, we either collectively decide, or if we fail, mordred or i flip a coin and that's binding. :) | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | I'll do whatever prep is required to help the team make that decision, so please let me know | 19:37 |
| AJaeger_ | indeed, infra-manual needs some review love. | 19:37 |
| anteaya | the two primary blockages being, lack of style guide and not a lot of core reviews | 19:37 |
| fungi | or you can flip a mordred | 19:37 |
| mordred | jeblair: I want to flip the coin | 19:37 |
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| * anteaya wants to see a mordred flip | 19:37 | |
| pleia2 | maybe I should create an etherpad now to gather my own thoughts pros/cons | 19:37 |
| mordred | if I do a standing backflip, can I just decide all of the things by fiat? | 19:37 |
| anteaya | jhesketh SergeyLukjanov thanks for the reviews in infra-manual | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | can action me to do that :) | 19:37 |
| jeblair | okay, so let's add more stuff to that etherpad and we'll revisit next week | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | mordred: but one flip per decision is required | 19:38 |
| mordred | clarkb: eww. too much exercise | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: i think you can action yourself? | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to create etherpad with infra-facing pros/cons on zanata vs pootle | 19:38 |
| zaro | jhesketh: how about follow up session on jenkins deprecation? | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | I don't think non-chairs can | 19:38 |
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| mordred | ooooh | 19:38 |
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| * mordred supports jenkins deprecation | 19:39 | |
| jeblair | #action pleia2 to create etherpad with infra-facing pros/cons on zanata vs. pootle | 19:39 |
| jeblair | pleia2: we'll find out | 19:39 |
| anteaya | zaro: you are adding that to the etherpad, right? | 19:39 |
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| fungi | remember we have four 40minute discussion sessions, but we also have a room shared with rm/qa all friday to get stuff done | 19:39 |
| anteaya | we get ttx | 19:40 |
| AJaeger_ | fungi: is that a room where we can have separate discussions - or only together with rm/qa? | 19:40 |
| fungi | so may be best to frame options between "can come to a decision in 40 minutes" vs "should collaborate in teams" at this phase | 19:40 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: how sharp are your elbows? | 19:40 |
| zaro | anteaya: it's on. | 19:40 |
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| nibalizer | fungi: good point | 19:40 |
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| clarkb | fungi: ++ also whether or not we want to get stuff on a schedule in hopes that others may attend | 19:40 |
| fungi | AJaeger_: i'm assuming it's a pit they throw us all in, with assorted weapons, and we fight our way out | 19:40 |
| anteaya | AJaeger_: not sure how the room layout it, last time it was all one room, and different tables | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | zaro: thanks | 19:41 |
| jeblair | AJaeger_: i think it's together, so it's good to have something semi-formal, like "we're going to talk about this for 20 mins" and have a list of topics | 19:41 |
| AJaeger_ | on Friday my elbows want me that sharp anymore ;) | 19:41 |
| fungi | ttx: can you describe the layout for that briefly (if you're around)? | 19:41 |
| jeblair | #topic Kilo cycle Infra liaisons... should we have them? (fungi) | 19:41 |
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| anteaya | AJaeger_: :D | 19:41 |
| ttx | fungi: I am | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | #topic Kilo summit topic brainstorming pad (fungi) | 19:42 |
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| ttx | fungi: layout for meetup portion ? | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | yep | 19:42 |
| fungi | ttx: yeah | 19:42 |
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| ttx | fungi: I don't have the final plans yet, but we should have a set of tables, chairs, and whiteboards in a room | 19:42 |
| anteaya | everyone in one room? | 19:42 |
| ttx | which we can probably hack into wahtever layout works for us | 19:43 |
| ttx | anteaya: yes | 19:43 |
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| ttx | everyone as in infra/QA/rm | 19:43 |
| anteaya | ah | 19:43 |
| anteaya | we have our own room | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | so we'll want to discuss topics that involse (or at least ar not boring to) all of infra/qa/rm | 19:43 |
| anteaya | better than I was imagining | 19:43 |
| jeblair | involve | 19:43 |
| jeblair | like the infra/qa meetup, but with ttx there :) | 19:43 |
| anteaya | ttx what you do want to talk about on the friday? | 19:44 |
| * fungi wants to fight wit the lirpa | 19:44 | |
| ttx | jeblair: you read my mind | 19:44 |
| anteaya | or should we have an etherpad to collect idea? | 19:44 |
| mordred | fungi: what's a lirpa? | 19:44 |
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| ttx | anteaya: hmm, maybe we can abuse the infra etherpad | 19:44 |
| jeblair | fungi: that's one of the weirder things i've seen you say. and that's saying something. | 19:44 |
| anteaya | ttx abuse away | 19:44 |
| fungi | mordred: star trek geekdom. weapon from the "amok time" episode | 19:44 |
| ttx | anteaya: I expect most discussions to be infra-related | 19:45 |
| mordred | oh! | 19:45 |
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| mordred | I thought you were describing a group of people against whom you wanted to wage combat | 19:45 |
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| fungi | (referring to getting thrown in a pit with assorted weapons) | 19:45 |
| anteaya | ttx: I started a new heading | 19:45 |
| clarkb | fungi: to fight a rancor? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | oh wait wrong universe | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | rancor++ | 19:46 |
| anteaya | we have some folks with agenda items wanting to discuss them | 19:46 |
| fungi | clarkb: wfm | 19:46 |
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| jeblair | let's skip liasons and move on | 19:46 |
| jeblair | i'm also going to skip the devstack topic as it was covered | 19:46 |
| fungi | yep, tha was lower-priority | 19:46 |
| jeblair | #topic Keystone testing and Defcore integration (hogepodge) | 19:46 |
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| clarkb | also morganfainberg ^ | 19:47 |
| mordred | we should test keystone | 19:47 |
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| fungi | ooh, great idea | 19:47 |
| jeblair | hogepodge: what's up? :) | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | mordred: approved! | 19:47 |
| * clarkb does a tl;dr as he remembers it. hogepodge can correct if it is wrong | 19:47 | |
| * morganfainberg is here | 19:47 | |
| morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 19:47 |
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| clarkb | defcore is relying on tempest for integration testing. However it sounds like the bulk of the testing for keystone would be functional and would be hit transitively by defcore | 19:48 |
| jeblair | honestly, i think that's defcore's problem | 19:48 |
| clarkb | so wondering how to make keystone tests in tempest/defcore tooling that don't make people cranky. | 19:48 |
| jeblair | i think it's a design flaw in the defcore process that i suspect is well-known at this point | 19:48 |
| fungi | it does seem more like a qa/tempest design discussion | 19:49 |
| * mordred not sure this is an infra topic - although broadly he DOES think that there should be some direct keystone tests in tempest | 19:49 | |
| jeblair | so i would say that designing a test strategy around defcore is the tail wagging the dog :) | 19:49 |
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| jeblair | mordred: maybe? or maybe it should just be keystone functional testing | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: I think it is more lets design keystone tests around testing keystone then figure out how to make that work for everyone | 19:50 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: ^ | 19:50 |
| mordred | sure | 19:50 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair, and that was my initial thought | 19:50 |
| fungi | agreed. i think tempest not having direct tests of keystone quite possibly reflects end user experience. defcore/refstack would likely do well to stick to testing things end users can test | 19:50 |
| mordred | service catalog | 19:50 |
| jeblair | mordred: ya | 19:50 |
| fungi | right, that's the main bit i interact with in keystone as a user | 19:50 |
| mordred | as a person currently being screwed by bad service catalog choices, I'd like that to be a thing | 19:50 |
| jeblair | and that actually is an integration point | 19:50 |
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| mordred | yah | 19:50 |
| jeblair | (since a service catalog catalogues other services :) | 19:51 |
| morganfainberg | so token issue / validate / catalog | 19:51 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:51 |
| fungi | but anyway, probably not something infra is in an immediate position to do things about | 19:51 |
| morganfainberg | seems like that is the key integration points a user would see | 19:51 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya | 19:51 |
| mordred | BUT ... not really an infra topic, except that we're huge openstack users and want it all to work | 19:51 |
| morganfainberg | even if the first two are a side-effect of the rest of everything | 19:51 |
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| clarkb | I tried pointing morganfainberg and hogepodge at mtreinish and sdad | 19:51 |
| jeblair | sdad, ha | 19:51 |
| mordred | sdad should keep the new nick | 19:51 |
| morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 19:52 |
| anteaya | I thinkit is great | 19:52 |
| jeblair | morganfainberg: i'm pretty sure we need to talk about functional testing approaches in kilo at the summit, probably in a cross project session. so i guess keep an eye out for that | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair, sold. | 19:52 |
| jeblair | morganfainberg: anything else you need from us? | 19:52 |
| morganfainberg | jeblair, nope | 19:53 |
| jeblair | woot | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | not sure if hogepodge needs anything else. | 19:53 |
| jeblair | #topic Drop gate-{name}-python26 from python-jobs template and specify it explicitly (krotscheck, fungi) | 19:53 |
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| krotscheck | Brief summary: Storyboard’s tests broke on py26. I asked for help on channel, mordred and fungi went: Why are we doing py26 anyway? The discussion expanded to: Why are we doing py26 on anything? and “Can we finally get rid of py26?”. fungi proposed solution -> pull gate-{name}-python26 build from python-jobs template, add it to all projects manually so they can deprecated it as they see fit, but do it after thursday. I volunteered to | 19:53 |
| krotscheck | it on the agenda. Discuss. | 19:53 |
| morganfainberg | yay dropping py26 for master! | 19:53 |
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| mordred | kill py26 for storyboard ++ | 19:53 |
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| krotscheck | py26 is already dead on storyboard. | 19:54 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: I like your summary and direction | 19:54 |
| krotscheck | anteaya: I also have a newsletter! | 19:54 |
| fungi | right, we can keep the py26 jobs on projects with stable/juno branches as explicit additions next week, i think | 19:54 |
| mordred | kill py26 for everything ++ | 19:54 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: I'm sure it is wonderful | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | fungi, krotscheck: that all sounds reasonable to me | 19:54 |
| clarkb | fungi: well we need it for those without too | 19:54 |
| clarkb | fungi: aren't we keeping it on all the clients and so on too? | 19:54 |
| fungi | clarkb: and those which are deps | 19:54 |
| fungi | yes | 19:54 |
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| zaro | does dropping 2.6 mean needs to work on py3? | 19:55 |
| clarkb | zaro: no | 19:55 |
| fungi | so some (most?) oslo libs, clients, et cetera | 19:55 |
| krotscheck | Personally, I feel like this is pretty straightforward. Would an up/down vote be appropriate? | 19:55 |
| clarkb | zaro: though it should make it a little easier | 19:55 |
| clarkb | zaro: but the tough py3k problems are independent of py26 | 19:55 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: I see only upvotes, I see no downvotes | 19:55 |
| fungi | krotscheck: no, i think we have rough consensus even without discussing in the meeting | 19:55 |
| krotscheck | Woot | 19:55 |
| jeblair | #topic DriverLog: new approach for maintainers (irina_pov) | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | that has since been removed | 19:56 |
| anteaya | irina left | 19:56 |
| jeblair | wah waaaah | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | this came out of cinder | 19:56 |
| fungi | i did add a quick topic | 19:56 |
| fungi | at mrmartin's request | 19:56 |
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| jeblair | anteaya: is it something we should discuss? | 19:56 |
| fungi | oh, we have ianw's on still too | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | they don't want to use the wikipages for thrid party operators email addresses | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | and what to use something else | 19:57 |
| anteaya | so this was the proposal | 19:57 |
| fungi | what is the something else? | 19:57 |
| anteaya | and she isn't here | 19:57 |
| anteaya | something called driver log | 19:57 |
| mordred | ah - so, discussing without her is likely hard? | 19:57 |
| anteaya | I was hoping to hear what that meant | 19:57 |
| fungi | oh, have driverlog track those... got it | 19:57 |
| jeblair | okay, well, hopefully she'll show up again sometime. :) | 19:57 |
| anteaya | I said we would listen to a proposal | 19:57 |
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| mordred | http://stackalytics.com/report/driverlog | 19:57 |
| mordred | I think? | 19:57 |
| anteaya | but the wikipages are in the ci.opentsack.org requirements | 19:57 |
| anteaya | which we enforce | 19:57 |
| anteaya | mordred: no, there is a cinder patch | 19:58 |
| anteaya | mordred: don't think it is related to stackalytics | 19:58 |
| mordred | okie. | 19:58 |
| anteaya | I sure hope not | 19:58 |
| * mordred hides | 19:58 | |
| anteaya | done | 19:58 |
| jeblair | of course we can change them if there is a reasonable proposal | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | them -> the requirements | 19:58 |
| jeblair | #topic Centos7 bring-up (ianw 10/14/14) | 19:58 |
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| jeblair | ttx: tc is on hiatus, right? | 19:59 |
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| mordred | this is blocked a bit on clarkb's trusty-nodepool iirc? | 19:59 |
| clarkb | ya | 19:59 |
| ianw | yeah, i have a proposal out to install a later tar | 19:59 |
| clarkb | unless we want centos7 the old way on hpcloud | 19:59 |
| ianw | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127859/ | 19:59 |
| ttx | jeblair: yes | 19:59 |
| ianw | clarkb: so that might be an intermediate step | 19:59 |
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| ianw | last week we thought the images were close, but it does seem to be blocked now | 20:00 |
| jeblair | how urgently does openstack need centos7 images? | 20:00 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think the idea is they would replace f20 images? so before f20 EOLs | 20:01 |
| clarkb | which isn't that soon | 20:01 |
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| ianw | jeblair: not sure if *need* is the word, but i'd love to have testing in place ASAP | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | so we're looking at ~2weeks to complete the next step (which will either work or expose the next problem) | 20:01 |
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| clarkb | well I have tested a centos7 build locally with dib on trusty and it seemed happy | 20:01 |
| ianw | people are using it for devstack, but it's not tested properly | 20:01 |
| jeblair | ianw: would waiting that long (with the associated risk we hit another block) try your patience exessively? :) | 20:02 |
| ianw | jeblair: we can wait to build images, but in the mean time i'd like to just use the hpcloud images, that should be straight-forward and allow a (non-voting) check job for devstack | 20:03 |
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| ianw | that said, i haven't tried them as yet, maybe there are issues. but i can work on that basically immediately | 20:03 |
| jeblair | i'm very hesitant to have images on only one provider | 20:03 |
| ianw | jeblair: we already have it working on rax | 20:04 |
| jeblair | oh ok :) | 20:04 |
| ianw | with their image | 20:04 |
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| mordred | if both providers have the image, I don't see anything wrong with that as a short-term | 20:05 |
| mordred | personally | 20:05 |
| jeblair | ianw: so hopefully not too much work to add it to hpcloud? | 20:05 |
| ianw | that's assuming there's no love for the idea of building a bespoke tar on precise nodes | 20:05 |
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| clarkb | ianw: I really don't like the idea of the random tar install by dib | 20:05 |
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| clarkb | ianw: I would uninstall dib if it did that to me | 20:05 |
| ianw | jeblair: i'll work on it and see, send some changes out later | 20:05 |
| jesusaurus | we are over time | 20:05 |
| ianw | clarkb: it doesn't overwrite thought, and it does only look for precise, and only when building centos7 | 20:05 |
| anteaya | once a year we get to finish a meeting | 20:05 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: tc is not meeting this week | 20:06 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: ya that was what the question to ttx about tc being out today was about | 20:06 |
| jesusaurus | ahh | 20:06 |
| anteaya | jesusaurus: thanks though | 20:06 |
| jeblair | yeah, i think we should use the hpcloud image now, then proceed with dib as we discussed earlier | 20:06 |
| clarkb | ianw: still dib is thee to build images not sideload software into the encapsulating OS | 20:06 |
| jeblair | and avoid the tar solution for now | 20:06 |
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| jeblair | sound good to everyone? | 20:07 |
| ianw | jeblair / clarkb : ok, cool, i'll work on that and see how we go | 20:07 |
| clarkb | jeblair: wfm | 20:07 |
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| ianw | thanks! | 20:07 |
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| anteaya | the security question or are we done? | 20:07 |
| jeblair | #topic Apache mod_security for openstackid.org... opinions? (mrmartin, fungi) | 20:07 |
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| jeblair | i'm going to stretch it to 15 past | 20:08 |
| anteaya | yay | 20:08 |
| anteaya | what is this one about? | 20:08 |
| clarkb | if mrmartin is going to tune mod security I guess I don't mind. The "app" surface is relatively small right? | 20:08 |
| mrmartin | ok, so the basic statment here is that we need to put some security app in front of openstackid. | 20:08 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah, mrmartin just wanted to make sure we got some consensus on that change. i think it can happen in review | 20:08 |
| jeblair | mrmartin: i think many of us are wondering why | 20:09 |
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| mrmartin | jeblair: because it is handling sensitive user account data. | 20:09 |
| clarkb | but ya I agree. If the auth app isn't secure... | 20:09 |
| jeblair | if it's because we think it's not very well written and subject to security issues, i'd rather just not use it | 20:09 |
| jeblair | if it's because we think, hey, we should do everything we can, that's hard to argue againt | 20:09 |
| fungi | generally i've seen mod_security do a great job of rejecting and logging random malicious queries your app would just reject anyway, and not much else | 20:10 |
| fungi | but that's doesn't mean it wouldn't necessarily help in some circumstances | 20:10 |
| mrmartin | so this is the point, mod_security is open-source tool that still needs a maintenance | 20:10 |
| jeblair | fungi: that's only after you've tuned it to stop rejecting valid queries | 20:10 |
| fungi | jeblair: RIGHT ;) | 20:10 |
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| mrmartin | and of course it also requires an app testing to setup the proper rules | 20:11 |
| jeblair | mrmartin: have you tried using it in a local environment to set up the rules? | 20:11 |
| mrmartin | we had another option, using cloudflare as a front-end security solution | 20:11 |
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| fungi | we've definitely seen cloudflare break access to the www.openstack.org site on multiple occasions | 20:11 |
| clarkb | fungi: and no one knew why | 20:11 |
| mrmartin | fungi: but is it happened, because the rules were not set up properly? | 20:12 |
| fungi | so i'm a little disinclined to agree to that, but i also don't see this as a dichotomy | 20:12 |
| fungi | mrmartin: it was because it wasn't tunable in the ways we needed for at least one of those situations, if my memory is correct | 20:12 |
| jeblair | i'd like to point out that none of the tools that this thing is being used to regulate access to is using mod_security or cloudfare or anything similar, really. | 20:13 |
| fungi | as in they asked the vendor, and ended up just bypassing cloudflare after they couldn't make it work | 20:13 |
| mordred | I don't think it's useful to argue the merits of cloudflare technically - it's a closed source service | 20:13 |
| jeblair | so let's strike it and talk about modsec | 20:14 |
| fungi | yeah, it's worth noting that openstackid has a limited-scope database account for access to the current foundation member database, whereas the code running the www site is written by the same people and has unrestricted access to the same | 20:14 |
| jeblair | i don't think any of the current root users have time or inclination to debug modsec issues | 20:14 |
| clarkb | jeblair: agreed | 20:14 |
| jeblair | so i personally won't be volunteering for its maintenance | 20:14 |
| jeblair | however, if mrmartin wants to provide a fully-formed modsec config for it that works | 20:14 |
| jeblair | i find that i have little room to argue against that | 20:15 |
| clarkb | rulesmay need to be updated over time as the app changes but that isn't something that requires a rooter | 20:15 |
| mrmartin | jeblair, fungi: it can be also a point, that you don't suggest to use any front-end security appliances. | 20:15 |
| fungi | i won't stand in the way of that, but i will also be among the first to disable it and troubleshoot later if it ends up blocking legitimate authentication traffic | 20:15 |
| jeblair | (other than, to be honest, the fact that it is thought to be necessary increases my suspision of the app in genereal and would make me inclined to accept a replacement that is considered both more simple and more secure) | 20:15 |
| mrmartin | but if somebody maintains the modsec rules could it get a green lamp? | 20:15 |
| jeblair | fungi: i agree with you | 20:16 |
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| jeblair | is anyone here going to -2 a working modsec rule set? | 20:16 |
| mordred | no | 20:16 |
| anteaya | no | 20:16 |
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| clarkb | no | 20:17 |
| fungi | mrmartin: so it sounds like most of us is indifferent to mod_security on the whole, but also not strongly in favor of it or any similar measure | 20:17 |
| anteaya | and before the meeting ends, remember to vote vote vote! | 20:17 |
| jeblair | mrmartin: do you have what you need? | 20:17 |
| mrmartin | ok, and what you think about not making a decision about this topic now? | 20:17 |
| mrmartin | because I saw so different opinions now. | 20:17 |
| fungi | with the caveat that if we're that worried the application is riddled with security holes, maybe we should hold off using it rather than plastering over it with an ids | 20:17 |
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| mrmartin | fungi: ok, and if do a pentest on the app? | 20:18 |
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| mrmartin | if / if we | 20:18 |
| mordred | that sounds like a great idea | 20:18 |
| fungi | testing is always a great idea. but if we think it shouldn't be deployed before a battery of security tests are run then let's say that | 20:18 |
| jeblair | yeah. we also do have some openid experts in the community. inviting them to review/audit/test would be a good idea. | 20:19 |
| mrmartin | fungi: ok, it handles auth data. do you know that this code is perfect? | 20:19 |
| fungi | mrmartin: you had also asked about a code audit i think... and i recommended you reach out to the openstack-security mailing list if that's still something you'd like to see done | 20:19 |
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| fungi | mrmartin: i generally expect that no code is perfect | 20:19 |
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| jeblair | okay, we're 5 mins over being 15 mins over, so it's time to end. thanks everyone! | 20:20 |
| anteaya | thank you | 20:20 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 20:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 20:20:13 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-10-14-19.03.html | 20:20 |
| mrmartin | I want to see a live openstackid service, but not on the price that whole of auth data is leaked out due some stupid bug. | 20:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-10-14-19.03.txt | 20:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-10-14-19.03.log.html | 20:20 |
| fungi | all software has bugs, most software has security bugs. testing and an ids are relatively unlikely to identify any except the most egregious of them | 20:20 |
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| jeblair | i'm in favor of identifying and eleminating the most egegious of them :) | 20:20 |
| mrmartin | ok I suggest to return this topic on next meeting | 20:21 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, dolphm, notmyname, eglynn, nikhil_k, jgriffith, zaneb, david-lyle, mestery, SlickNik, SergeyLukjanov: around ? | 21:00 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 21:00 |
| jgriffith | ttx: 0/ | 21:00 |
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| eglynn | o/ | 21:01 |
| zaneb | o/ | 21:01 |
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| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 14 21:01:37 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:01 | |
| nikhil_k | o/ | 21:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:01 |
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| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 21:01 |
| SlickNik | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:01 |
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| ttx | should be quick | 21:02 |
| ttx | 2 days to final release | 21:02 |
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| ttx | #topic News from the 1:1 sync points | 21:02 |
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| mestery | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | Here is the log: | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ptl_sync/2014/ptl_sync.2014-10-14-08.02.html | 21:02 |
| ttx | We have RC3 windows currently opened for Cinder and Trove | 21:02 |
| david-lyle | o/ | 21:02 |
| ttx | both to be closed early tomorrow morning | 21:02 |
| ttx | Still considering a RC3 for Glance and Horizon | 21:02 |
| ttx | For Glance, the bugfixes are not in master yet | 21:03 |
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| ttx | If you're glance-core, please consider helping and review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128369/ | 21:04 |
| ttx | If it's not merged today we'll probably keep RC2 and promote that to final | 21:04 |
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| ttx | On the Horizon side, we have a potential annoying bug | 21:04 |
| ttx | https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1379761 | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1379761 in horizon "Asset compression does not happen unless debug mode is enabled" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:04 |
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| ttx | not really confirmed yet, and we don't have a fix either | 21:05 |
| mikal | Hi | 21:05 |
| ttx | we have a few more hours to get it under control | 21:05 |
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| ttx | if we can't get it fixed in master by the end of the day, we're exposing ourselves to a pretty emabarassing release note | 21:06 |
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| ttx | well, not necessarily fixed in master, but at least a fix proposed and reviewed | 21:06 |
| ttx | Questions on release status ? | 21:07 |
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| ttx | #topic Other program news | 21:08 |
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| ttx | Any other program with a quick announcement ? | 21:08 |
| ttx | Remember we have a TC election in progress -- please encourage all your team members to vote ! | 21:08 |
| dhellmann | we still have a few vacancies in the cross-project liaisons tables: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 21:09 |
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| * SergeyLukjanov here, totally destructed by jetlag | 21:09 | |
| ttx | #topic The scope of common requirements | 21:10 |
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| ttx | I wanted to quickly discuss the scope of common requirements | 21:10 |
| ttx | We regularly have requests from non-integrated projects pushing their dependencies to openstack/requirements | 21:10 |
| ttx | I wanted to make sure I understand what the policy was on that and what it is today | 21:11 |
| ttx | So that we can document it and give a fair answer to those reviews | 21:11 |
| ttx | dhellmann: could you summarize what you know ? | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | we used to use the global requirements list ot manage the pypi cache visible to the CI systems | 21:11 |
| dhellmann | we are now using a full pypi mirror, so test jobs can install any package available on pypi without it being listed in the global requirements | 21:12 |
| * mordred agrees with that | 21:12 | |
| ttx | now it's only used in the requirements check job ? | 21:12 |
| dhellmann | so, my understanding is, we are trying to move the global requirements list to be actual requirements for building, packaging, testing, and running the integrated release projects | 21:12 |
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| ttx | integrated + incubated ? | 21:12 |
| mordred | honestly - I think this is the same grey area as when to add horizon support for a project | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: the projects that sync with the global requirements list are tested to ensure they are not adding new requirements and don't have incompatible requirements based on the global list | 21:13 |
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| dhellmann | mordred: yeah | 21:13 |
| zaneb | mordred: agree | 21:13 |
| ttx | mordred: ok | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | I'd be happy if we just said "requirements sync means you live with the requirements, integrated projects must, everyone else may" | 21:13 |
| mordred | yah | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | because that keeps it fairly simple | 21:14 |
| mordred | although the question is who gets to propose a new req | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | however, the question is who gets to suggest adding new req -- right | 21:14 |
| ttx | I suspect we inherited a lot of non-integrated requirements from the dfays where it was the only way to get something on the pip mirror -- did we ever clean the list ? | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes, I'm sure we did | 21:14 |
| dhellmann | it should be fairly easy to figure out which those requirements are | 21:14 |
| mordred | it might be worth doing a pass | 21:14 |
| mordred | yah | 21:14 |
| * mordred thinks an incubated project should be able to propose a new req | 21:14 | |
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| dhellmann | yeah, that makes sense | 21:15 |
| ttx | so we should accept requirements for integrated projects and probably for incubated projects as well | 21:15 |
| mordred | and that it shoudl undergo the same sorts of scrutiny as we'd apply to other reqs | 21:15 |
| devananda | mordred: ++ | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | I'm happy to be fairly lenient on which projects, if we can tighten up the list so we don't have 5 json parsers and rst->html converters and what not | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | so I'd rather us be strict on the requirements rather than the proposers | 21:15 |
| devananda | one grey area for me has been optional requirements (eg, hardware-enablement libraries for optional 3rd party drivers) | 21:15 |
| dhellmann | that's another good question | 21:16 |
| devananda | not sure if anyone else is interested in discussing that right now, though :) | 21:16 |
| ttx | fwiw we were supposed to work on requirements convergence, i.e. advising projects to converge where possible | 21:16 |
| dhellmann | devananda: well, I did -1 a couple of patches related to that yesterday | 21:16 |
| david-lyle | mordred considering a contrib directory for Horizon that aren't linked into the project be default for incubated projects, etc, this directory could have it's own requirements | 21:16 |
| ttx | that was something we discussed in ATL, but never came to do | 21:16 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: AIUI, allowing those into global req's is the way we inform packagers that we care aboutthose things being available | 21:16 |
| david-lyle | s/be default/by default/ | 21:16 |
| eglynn | is there a problem if a non-integrated project say on stackforge specifies a requirement already in the global-requirements, but with an incompatible version range? | 21:16 |
| eglynn | (sorry if that's a dumb question) | 21:17 |
| clarkb | eglynn: only if that stackforge project intends on being installed along side an openstack cloud | 21:17 |
| dhellmann | devananda: yeah, I was looking at them as not actually required, but that's a good point | 21:17 |
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| eglynn | clarkb: yeah, that was the case I'd in mind | 21:17 |
| clarkb | eglynn: at least from a CI perspective that is the only locations for a conflict because devstack installs globally | 21:17 |
| devananda | dhellmann: there are several examples already in there of optional hardware-enablement requirements, specifically for cinder and ironic | 21:18 |
| nikhil_k | is there a reason for global installation vs. promoting virtuan envs? | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | clarkb, eglynn : Solum is a good example of that. They had a requirement they wanted to add, but that we rejected because they aren't integrated. | 21:18 |
| dhellmann | nikhil_k: system packages from the distros | 21:19 |
| ttx | nikhil_k: dependency convergence is useful for distros | 21:19 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: ok, cool, I'll reverse my votes on those | 21:19 |
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| dhellmann | devananda: I was considering what I understood to be new rules for new changes, but it sounds like I was being too strict | 21:19 |
| eglynn | dhellmann: the adding of brand new requirements is less of a concern I think that incompatible versioning of existing ones | 21:19 |
| devananda | dhellmann: hm, one sec. i'm looking again as it seems some were remoevd in juno | 21:20 |
| eglynn | ... *than incompatible | 21:20 |
| nikhil_k | makes sense | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | eglynn: well, if we're using this list to signal what "openstack requires" and something in the list isn't required, we're sending mixed signals | 21:20 |
| ttx | dhellmann: reverse which vote ? | 21:20 |
| dhellmann | ttx: on those patches for adding the hardware libs, but I'm waiting for devananda's analysis | 21:20 |
| ttx | ack | 21:21 |
| dhellmann | fwiw, we have a similar issue with oslo.messaging and libraries for talking to message brokers, and nova's driver libraries seem like another case of "optional but needed in some configurations" | 21:21 |
| devananda | hmm. so the one I had in mind is gone: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/commit/?id=5c0fce08b8b59490f2f77d524ad06d0d18aef7b8 | 21:21 |
| mikal | Oh good poitn | 21:21 |
| mikal | So for example we didn't add ironic client to requirements | 21:22 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: seems like there are two uses - keeping versions inline and providing a list of requirements. One list is probably not able to do both jobs | 21:22 |
| devananda | dhellmann: yah, now I see only one, python-seamicroclient for Ironic. we can remove that too now, actually | 21:22 |
| mikal | We instead have this conditional import thing | 21:22 |
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| clarkb | zaneb: it is actually one list per branch | 21:22 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: for latter we should probably encourage pulling from individual projects requirements | 21:22 |
| dhellmann | zaneb: you might be right, maybe we need an optional-uses.txt as well | 21:22 |
| devananda | dhellmann: so I think we should answer whether we *should* list these dependencies somewhere, so packagers know what to pull in | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | devananda: I agree | 21:23 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: devananda: I would argue they go in the gloabl reqs list | 21:23 |
| clarkb | its a global list | 21:23 |
| devananda | dhellmann: the challenge is that these libs are not listed in individual project reequirements anywhere | 21:23 |
| ttx | clarkb: ++ | 21:23 |
| clarkb | so why are we deglobalizing it? | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure I am comfortable coming to a conclusion on any of this without sdague's input, since he was driving a lot of the new requirements repo review guidelines | 21:23 |
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| devananda | clarkb: ++ | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | devananda: they should end up in functional test suites somewhere, right? | 21:24 |
| devananda | dhellmann: maybe? upstream can't actually exercise them against the intended hardware | 21:24 |
| devananda | that's up to third-party tests | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | devananda: that's true for some of the cases, yes | 21:25 |
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| devananda | dhellmann: let's chat with sdague at the summit about it more. | 21:26 |
| devananda | doesn't seem like we'll solve it right now | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | devananda: yeah | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | ttx: do you think we have the issues identified well enough for a cross-project session on this? | 21:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: not sure -- maybe something for the infra/qa/rm meetup though | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | that works, too | 21:28 |
| ttx | I think that's the people who care about it anyway | 21:28 |
| * ttx adds to etherpad | 21:28 | |
| dhellmann | I suspect some of the project folks will be interested, too | 21:28 |
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| dolphm | maybe I missed something, but if devstack supports non-integrated projects, and non-integrated projects are allowed to have conflicting requirements, isn't it devstack that will feel that pain? | 21:28 |
| ttx | dhellmann: lots of stuff on the cross-project workshop etherpad already | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | I think the support in devstack is going to be through hooks, isn't it? rather than directly putting the project install code in devstack | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | dolphm: with the result being that anyone using devstack to deploy the non-integrated project that has conflicting requirements will feel the pain | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, that's going to be a tough list to pare down | 21:30 |
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| dolphm | oh that works out then, as long as the maintenance burden is in the right place | 21:30 |
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| ttx | ok, anything else on that subject ? | 21:30 |
| dolphm | When is this change occurring? | 21:31 |
| ttx | every time I open that Pandora box I'm more confused after the discussion than before | 21:31 |
| ttx | but then I can blame the late hour | 21:31 |
| * dhellmann wonders when ttx will learn to stop looking into boxes | 21:31 | |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 21:33 |
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| ttx | Questions on summit ? | 21:33 |
| ttx | Anything else, anyone ? | 21:33 |
| dhellmann | when do we need to set the schedule for the summit sessions? | 21:34 |
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| * dhellmann apologies if this was announce on the ML, he has been offline most of the day | 21:35 | |
| mestery | And when do we get access to the tool to fill in our slots with actual sessions? | 21:35 |
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| ttx | The deadline for the schedule is one week before summit starts | 21:36 |
| ttx | the sooner the better though | 21:37 |
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| mestery | Also, I sent this email about resolving a meeting conflict: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048305.html | 21:37 |
| ttx | I'll send (tomorrow hopefully) an email explaining how we'll push the schedule | 21:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx: so 27th? | 21:37 |
| mestery | I've not heard back, can I assume the PHP SDK meeting is no more? | 21:37 |
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| ttx | I basically have some ODSREG instance set up where you should be able to edit the "tbd" sessions and push them on your slots and push to sched | 21:37 |
| mestery | ttx: Thanks for the summit schedule stuff. | 21:37 |
| ttx | (ODSREG being the software that did sumit.o.o before) | 21:38 |
| dolphm | mestery: who was the chair? are they still around? | 21:38 |
| * mestery checks | 21:38 | |
| ttx | mestery: yeah, maybe just remove the meeting from the meetings page | 21:38 |
| mestery | ttx: That was my thought as well, it's been months since hte last meeting | 21:38 |
| ttx | and ping me for the ical update | 21:38 |
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| mestery | dolphm: Chair is mfer. | 21:39 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, 24th/27th sounds about right | 21:39 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ok | 21:39 |
| ttx | no other question or topic to discuss ? | 21:40 |
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| ttx | well, let's call it a day then. All the RCs I haven't mentioned in the meeting are assumed final and good to promot eon my Thursday morning. So please yell if you think otherwise | 21:41 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| dolphm | \o/ | 21:41 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 21:41:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-10-14-21.01.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-10-14-21.01.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2014/project.2014-10-14-21.01.log.html | 21:41 |
| mestery | Thanks ttx! | 21:41 |
| ttx | thanks everyone! | 21:42 |
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