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| dougwig | o/ | 13:57 |
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| xgerman | o/ | 13:58 |
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| rm_work | o/ | 13:58 |
| dougwig | these feel earlier every week. | 13:58 |
| xgerman | I went to the East Coast an the time is right | 13:58 |
| dougwig | visit or move? | 13:59 |
| xgerman | visit | 13:59 |
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| sballe | morning | 13:59 |
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| dougwig | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 14:00:12 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dougwig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| sbalukoff | Morning folks! | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
| dougwig | #topic roll call | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
| dougwig | morning folks | 14:00 |
| sballe | o/ | 14:00 |
| dougwig | agenda: | 14:00 |
| dougwig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Meeting_09.10.2014 | 14:00 |
| blogan | hi | 14:00 |
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| johnsom | Hello | 14:00 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: These do get earlier every week. It's a conspiracy, I tells ya. | 14:00 |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:00 |
| rm_work | yep | 14:00 |
| * dougwig reaches for coffee. | 14:00 | |
| rm_work | T_T | 14:01 |
| dougwig | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:01 | |
| dougwig | v2 reviews | 14:01 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/lbaas_reviews | 14:01 |
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| dougwig | plugins, tests, and jinja templates are ready for core feedback. | 14:01 |
| dougwig | a reminder about the kilo design summit etherpad | 14:02 |
| dougwig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-neutron-summit-topics | 14:02 |
| ptoohill | o/ | 14:02 |
| dougwig | and we need to re-submit specs for kilo | 14:02 |
| dougwig | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/specs/kilo | 14:02 |
| dougwig | any other announcements? | 14:02 |
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| blogan | whenand how do design sessions get approved? | 14:02 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 14:02 |
| blogan | i might ask this every week i can't remember | 14:02 |
| dougwig | the distilling process started in this week's neutron meeting. | 14:03 |
| sballe | blogan: you are not the only one. I believe I do the same ;) | 14:03 |
| dougwig | so i think the answer is "soon". | 14:03 |
| dougwig | one more announcement from the neutron meeting. mestery started a drivers team: | 14:03 |
| dougwig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron-drivers | 14:03 |
| xgerman | drivers? | 14:03 |
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| dougwig | ml2 mechanisms, vendor stuff, lbaas drivers, etc. | 14:04 |
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| dougwig | if you recall his plan to move drivers out of neutron core, i'd wager this is the first step. | 14:04 |
| xgerman | would octavia be a driver? | 14:04 |
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| sbalukoff | xgerman: I think 'drivers' refers to people. | 14:04 |
| dougwig | that's fuzzy, since we want it to be also the reference implementation | 14:04 |
| xgerman | yep, I was afraid of another gray area | 14:05 |
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| sbalukoff | Because, you know, 'drivers' couldn't possibly already have another meaning in Neutron. | 14:05 |
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| dougwig | oh, heh, i hadn't noticed that meaning of drivers. nice. | 14:05 |
| dougwig | i think blogan is correct. forget what i said. | 14:06 |
| sbalukoff | But, having just heard about this (thanks for the link dougwig), I can certainly see the need for such a group. | 14:07 |
| blogan | lost my connection, what did i say? | 14:07 |
| xgerman | so did I | 14:07 |
| dougwig | oops, sbalukoff, not blogan | 14:07 |
| xgerman | I am missing part of the conversation | 14:07 |
| * dougwig reaches for more coffee. | 14:07 | |
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| blogan | lol | 14:07 |
| blogan | wish i drank coffee | 14:07 |
| dougwig | xgerman: no, i'm missing it. while having it. you're fine. | 14:07 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: The 'Neutron Drivers" are a team of people who essentially review specs an determine overall direction for the Neutron project. | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | It appears the initial team here consist of people who spend at least 5-10 hours a week just reviewing specs. | 14:08 |
| sballe | We cannot really offer more fuzzy areas .... if the we don;t get things and end up with no velocity | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | No idea how these team members are going to be determined in the future. | 14:09 |
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| dougwig | someone asked for clarification of that on the ML. | 14:09 |
| dougwig | i'd suggest pinging mestery or the ML with questions about the new drivers team or kilo summit deadlines. | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | Cool. | 14:09 |
| dougwig | anything else here, or any other announcements, before we move on? | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | In any case, thanks for the heads-up, dougwig | 14:10 |
| TrevorV | I'm slightly confused | 14:10 |
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| xgerman | me and you both | 14:10 |
| TrevorV | There is now a team of people called "drivers" that ultimately decide the direction of a project? | 14:10 |
| xgerman | looks like a new incubator... | 14:10 |
| xgerman | and then there is a drivers project which houses drivers? | 14:10 |
| TrevorV | Are they determined by the people in the project or are they appointed? Is there a form of veto the community can take on these "driver"s decisions? | 14:11 |
| xgerman | looks like sbalukoff is advising mestery on being a supreme leader | 14:11 |
| sbalukoff | Those are concerns that should probably be brought up and discussed on the mailing list. | 14:11 |
| dougwig | ok, let's reset, i confused the issue by linking this to actual drivers at all. it's not, sbalukoff is correct. | 14:11 |
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| dougwig | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8QhceG2o | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: I'm using jedi mind-control tricks on him. | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | Or rather, sith-lord mind-control techniques. | 14:12 |
| TrevorV | dougwig that's the "purpose" for said driver team? | 14:12 |
| vjay | So. Drivers are people then. Right? | 14:12 |
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| sbalukoff | vjay: That's what I understand. | 14:13 |
| TrevorV | vjay in this instance that is accurate apparently | 14:13 |
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| * TrevorV see what he did there? Using overloaded terms is fun | 14:13 | |
| blogan | neutron drivers team sounds like core reviewers, so i dont understand either, but ill just go read the neutron meeting log | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | Think "These people drive the Neutron project forward" | 14:13 |
| xgerman | maybe it's a coporations are people thing? | 14:13 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff that's kind of what concerns me. Who provides that authority to them? | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | I don't know if they were after a "slave drivers" analogy, but they've got it. | 14:13 |
| TrevorV | Or maybe that's what you meant needs brought up in the ML | 14:14 |
| sbalukoff | TrevorV: Looks like the PTL does | 14:14 |
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| blogan | TrevorV: who gives core reviewers authority? the PTL does really, not really any different | 14:14 |
| blogan | well and other core reviewers | 14:14 |
| sbalukoff | In any case, I'm not sure there's anyone here who can address these concerns-- this should probably be discussed on the L | 14:14 |
| sbalukoff | ML | 14:14 |
| TrevorV | sbalukoff got it. | 14:14 |
| dougwig | there is a thread from earlier this week on this very subject. | 14:15 |
| sballe | sbalukoff: makes sense | 14:15 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:15 |
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| sballe | dougwig: Should we all reply to that mail or do it in some organized fashion? | 14:16 |
| dougwig | we're all part of the neutron team, so i think if you have concerns, we should all just reply. | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 14:16 |
| sballe | okey dockey | 14:16 |
| dougwig | ok, onwards to more fun: | 14:17 |
| dougwig | #topic Floating IP discussion | 14:17 |
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| sbalukoff | Rad! | 14:17 |
| dougwig | blogan, rm_work, ptoohill | 14:17 |
| blogan | did we not come to a conclusion on this? | 14:17 |
| rm_work | uhh | 14:17 |
| blogan | too early in the morning for my brain to work properly | 14:18 |
| TrevorV | blogan we decided ptoohill was going to make up a diagram | 14:18 |
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| sbalukoff | At yesterdays Octavia meeting... | 14:18 |
| TrevorV | Or a workflow of each case that we had a concern about | 14:18 |
| dougwig | last i heard you wanted to bring it up to the others that attend here, and we had punted pending some use cases. | 14:18 |
| sballe | rm_work: I believe you were going to do a sequence diagram of the flow. | 14:18 |
| dougwig | not sure if we have anything for this morning. | 14:18 |
| sbalukoff | We basically tabled this until we have more specific process (or diagrams) figured out. | 14:18 |
| vjay | I think driver should hv control on this. | 14:18 |
| ptoohill | Im sorry guys, fighting fire | 14:18 |
| rm_work | Was *I* going to do a FLIP flow thing? | 14:18 |
| ptoohill | I will work on diagram as soon as i get chance | 14:18 |
| TrevorV | rm_work no | 14:18 |
| rm_work | k | 14:18 |
| dougwig | does one of you want to summarize for the other vendors here, and we can table discussion until next week? | 14:18 |
| sballe | rm_work: Sorry my confusion. | 14:18 |
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| rm_work | it's ok | 14:19 |
| rm_work | need the beeps to keep me awake | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Sure | 14:19 |
| sballe | rm_work: :-) | 14:19 |
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| blogan | summary: we may eventually want neutron lbaas to auto allocate a floating ip and associate it with the vip port | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: +1 | 14:19 |
| vjay | For example if via is configured as a floating ip. Driver can attach a floating ip port directly to the backend or can configure a private ip and let the gateway do the nat | 14:19 |
| vjay | S/via/vip | 14:20 |
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| vjay | It depends if backend is in line or parallel to gateway. | 14:21 |
| blogan | but would youw ant the neutron api to show the floating ip? | 14:21 |
| blogan | sorry neutron lbaas api | 14:22 |
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| vjay | Yes. the driver could send it back in the call | 14:22 |
| dougwig | the driver isn't involved in 'neutron lb-show-vip'. | 14:23 |
| vjay | On what ip has chosen | 14:23 |
| blogan | no but the driver can insert something into the database so that when a lb-show-vip happens it can retrieve that | 14:23 |
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| vjay | Blogan: yes | 14:24 |
| dougwig | true | 14:24 |
| blogan | well we're still a bit out from actually implementing this, so plenty of time to discuss the logistics of it | 14:25 |
| dougwig | ok, so this was just an intro, and the folks that brought this up are doing a more detailed design/flow analysis, and will bring the results back to the group. | 14:25 |
| sbalukoff | In any case, it was more or less "decided" at the meeting yesterday that both the current workflow and proposed workflow changes need to be better understood before they can really be contrasted / compared. So I think ptoohill was going to produce some documentation which makes it clearer. | 14:25 |
| dougwig | moving on... | 14:25 |
| vjay | Also I hv one more scenario. Let's say 2 vips are created on same network. Driver cannot attach the ports created by lbaas on one backend. It will result in looping scenario | 14:25 |
| dougwig | not moving on... | 14:25 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 14:26 |
| blogan | vjay what is your definition of backend | 14:26 |
| vjay | Sorry I type slow... :( | 14:26 |
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| vjay | Backend == lb appliance | 14:26 |
| sbalukoff | vjay: I think those are excellent concerns to bring up, but should probably wait until we've got more / better documentation on the workflow. | 14:27 |
| blogan | yeah true | 14:27 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:27 |
| vjay | Ok. Will wait. | 14:27 |
| sballe | We can adapt the flow to corner cases once we have an agreed upon flow | 14:27 |
| sbalukoff | vjay: It might be good to work with ptoohill directly in the "proposed new workflow" to address those concerns pre-emtively, too. ;) | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | sballe: Hopefully, yes! | 14:28 |
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| vjay | Ok. Sure. | 14:28 |
| dougwig | moving on... | 14:29 |
| dougwig | #topic Open Discussion | 14:29 |
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| dougwig | anything else to discuss this morning? | 14:29 |
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| blogan | is sambercovici here? | 14:30 |
| blogan | or any radware people? | 14:30 |
| sbalukoff | I'm not seeing him. | 14:30 |
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| sbalukoff | Or Evgeny | 14:31 |
| blogan | well we need to get with him on the talk, since he's the one who set it up | 14:31 |
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| sbalukoff | Good luck! | 14:31 |
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| vjay | Never got to discuss on HA. Any cautions to apply. Will GARP/VMAC etc work for Vrrp in neutron? | 14:32 |
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| sbalukoff | Good question. I've no idea. :P | 14:33 |
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| dougwig | with L2 tunnels, i'm not sure why they wouldn't. might be tricky to verify that the underlying physical hardware isn't the same, though. | 14:34 |
| dougwig | any other discussion, or are we ready to adjourn? | 14:36 |
| sbalukoff | Yay for getting back to bed! | 14:36 |
| rm_work | sleep plox | 14:36 |
| sballe | :) | 14:36 |
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| dougwig | ok, see everyone in channel! | 14:37 |
| sballe | bye | 14:37 |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:37 |
| sbalukoff | Seeya! | 14:37 |
| dougwig | #endmeeting | 14:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 14:37:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-09-14.00.html | 14:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-09-14.00.txt | 14:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-10-09-14.00.log.html | 14:37 |
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| * vjay2 got to go now. Bye. | 14:38 | |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 15:00:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:00 |
| nealph_ | o/ | 15:00 |
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| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
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| eglynn | hey y'all | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic juno close-out | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | as discussed last week we ended up needing an RC2 | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-rc2 | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | also a python-ceiloclient 1.0.12 release to pick up the fix for that token-expiry issue in the alarm evaluator | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | ... so getting down to the wire now for juno final | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, cool, that'll solve lots of possible problems with alarm evaluator :) | 15:02 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | so does anyone got any remaining concerns? | 15:02 |
| eglynn | in the sense of stuff that might warrent an RC3? | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | ... the window for that is rapidly closing | 15:03 |
| eglynn | ... so if there is anything we need to fix in juno, we'd need to be raising it by EoW, or early next week latest | 15:03 |
| * eglynn hopes that no news is good new on that score :) | 15:04 | |
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| eglynn | slightly related to Juno, the TC didn't meet this week ... so I don't know if the gap analysis coverage outcome will be formally reviewed | 15:05 |
| eglynn | or whether the wiki summary will suffice | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, ok, do you know when it'll be done? | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | a-ha | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:06 |
| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi status | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | jd__: the floor is yours | 15:06 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, it looks like jd__ does not want to communicate with us :) | 15:08 |
| nealph_ | *crickets* | 15:08 |
| eglynn | TL;DR: patches in-flight for exposing human-friendly timespans in the archive_policy API | 15:08 |
| eglynn | also sileht continues hacking on the long-running dispatcher review | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | also some news: ityaptin is working on gnocchi performance testing (lab fighting in progress) | 15:09 |
| eglynn | cross-entity aggregation support also in progress | 15:09 |
| sileht | that one is a bit bloked | 15:09 |
| sileht | due to a bug in webob | 15:09 |
| cdent | "lab fighting"; it's a shame that's a thing | 15:09 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: is Ilya using the WIP dispatcher from https://review.openstack.org/98798 ? | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah | 15:09 |
| ityaptin | eglynn: yeah | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | to have kind of realistic env :) | 15:10 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, we hope to grab some results next week | 15:10 |
| eglynn | a-ha, are we waiting on a fix from the webob folks? | 15:10 |
| sileht | https://github.com/Pylons/webob/issues/164 | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, for both Swift and some TSD (my WIP change or your ones) | 15:11 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, probalby my AND yours :) | 15:11 |
| eglynn | cooler :) | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | sileht: could we work around that webob issue by making the py3 tests non-voting? | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, also we've started rc2 testing by vrovachev | 15:12 |
| eglynn | (temporarily, pending a webob fix) | 15:12 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: performance profiling again? | 15:12 |
| sileht | eglynn, I'm think to change ^ by + for testing only | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | that's not the gnocchi thing, but forgot to say this on previous topic | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | nope, just full features testing | 15:13 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | all meters for all services | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | currently it seems to look nice | 15:13 |
| eglynn | excellent | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:13 |
| eglynn | sileht: yeah that could be pragmatic | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova, jd_: we also have some gnocchi slides to write for the conference track in Paris | 15:14 |
| eglynn | maybe chat about that next week? | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, that's why ityaptin is working so hard now :D | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, +1 | 15:15 |
| sileht | eglynn, also I'm writting some explaination of the limitation of the current dispatcher implementation | 15:15 |
| eglynn | coolness :) | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, we'll get first performance results by this time as well - will be easier to decide what to talk | 15:15 |
| eglynn | yeap, that makes sense | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | and what not to talk about :) | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:15 |
| eglynn | anything else on gnocchi, or shall we move on to our other favourite weekly topic? | 15:16 |
| eglynn | #topic Tempest status | 15:17 |
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| DinaBelova | +2s in progress :) | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | for unskipping :) | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thanks for adding more reviewers there | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:17 |
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| llu-laptop | tempest, most temptation :) | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | llu-laptop, for sure | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | (c) you're my dark temptation (c) | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | sorry | 15:18 |
| eglynn | yeap good news on the nova notification test unskip, thx to cdent for busting out his gentle thumb-screw ;) | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, /me bowing | 15:19 |
| cdent | If Sean wasn't away it would probably already be through the gate :) | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | if so, my dream about all Vadim's changes being merged may come true | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, :) | 15:19 |
| mtreinish | if you guys are that anxious for it, I'll just fast approve it :) | 15:19 |
| eglynn | mtreinish: well that would be nice, thank you sir! | 15:20 |
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| DinaBelova | mtreinish, you can't believe my wish :) | 15:20 |
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| DinaBelova | to see that :) | 15:20 |
| cdent | mtreinish: it's almost (but not really) more fun to speculate on the magic sauce | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, thanks! | 15:20 |
| cdent | \o/ | 15:20 |
| * cdent notes: "whatever we just did, more of that" | 15:21 | |
| eglynn | LOL :) | 15:21 |
| mtreinish | no worries, I just hope it doesn't go flakey again... | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | mtreinish, me as well :) | 15:21 |
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| cdent | if it does, please point me at it, I'm getting pretty aware of untangling these things | 15:22 |
| eglynn | cdent: excellent :) | 15:22 |
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| eglynn | ok, I guess that's the main new news on tempest | 15:23 |
| eglynn | #topic Win The Enterprise monitoring WG update | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | just a quick note that I've in on the weekly WTE calls | 15:23 |
| eglynn | ... I've *been in ... | 15:23 |
| eglynn | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WTE_Monitoring_Team | 15:23 |
| eglynn | TL;DR: based on operator feedback, they want to surface compute/blockstore capacity headroom | 15:23 |
| eglynn | I've looking into how this might be emitted as notifications from the nova & cinder schedulers | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | (for ceilo to consume) | 15:24 |
| eglynn | I've proposed a couple design session topic on their tracks | 15:24 |
| eglynn | (... so we'll see what comes of that, if anything, given that all the tracks are constrained this time round) | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, cool, it'll be interesting | 15:25 |
| eglynn | TBH I don't know yet if this "headroom" concept makes any sense for neutron | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | probably we need some neutron expert here :-\ | 15:26 |
| eglynn | yeah /me needs to dig a bit more into the neutron plugin contract, and the upward reporting (if any) | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | see if there's any analogue to the nova resource tracker for example | 15:26 |
| fabiog | eglynn: is this for capacity planning or more alarming in case of reaching the limit of resources? | 15:27 |
| eglynn | anyhoo that's research WIP, just wanted to give a heads-up on where it's headed | 15:27 |
| eglynn | fabiog: the idea is more to provide an answer to the question "how much space do I have left in my datacenter to fit new resources?" | 15:28 |
| fabiog | eglynn: got it, thanks | 15:28 |
| eglynn | fabiog: e.g. how many new instances of various flavors, how many gigs of block storage etc. | 15:28 |
| * DinaBelova is crying remembering blazar activity... | 15:28 | |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: interesting, I hadn't thought of that angle | 15:29 |
| * eglynn peeks at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Blazar | 15:29 | |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, heh, Blazar (ex. Climate) was my little child before Ceilo :) | 15:30 |
| eglynn | so that's all about pre-claiming resources in advance? | 15:30 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | but it's dead project now... | 15:30 |
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| llu-laptop | DinaBelova: blazar == previous known as climate? | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | llu-laptop yep | 15:31 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: still, interesting to have that perspective, I'll re-read the wiki ... thanks! | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, np :) | 15:31 |
| fabiog | DinaBelova: yes that is capacity planning in the traditional sense, I guess they really want a dynamic evaluation to decide when allocate new workloads | 15:31 |
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| DinaBelova | fabiog, probably yeah | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | that's the difference | 15:32 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: yeah, when the capacity topic was first brought up I thought they'd be more interested in extrapolating/forecasting future usage trends | 15:32 |
| nealph_ | so this is workload mgmt vs. capacity planning? interesting... | 15:33 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: I think is a matter of speed, In the old days they had months to decide, now they have hrs :-) | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | nealph_, last time we had lots of questinable moments, about how to integrate all this thing into the OS ecosystem | 15:33 |
| fabiog | eglynn: so they need a snapshot of the datacenter so they can make an informed decision | 15:34 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yep, exactly | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, yeah | 15:34 |
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| * nealph_ gets it. | 15:34 | |
| fabiog | eglynn: is a really interesting topic | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, yeah, still :) | 15:34 |
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| DinaBelova | hot one | 15:34 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yeap, though unfortunately the required info isn't direct surfaced by many of the services as yet | 15:35 |
| eglynn | ... isn't *directly surfaced | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | well, anyway, I'd love to see this thing developing :) | 15:35 |
| fabiog | eglynn: actually I am not so sure the services really knows how much they chewed already | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | it means that my feeling it's interesting was not wrong | 15:36 |
| cdent | This is one of those areas where I think the services should be the ones thinking hard about what they surface; ceilomter should just "hear" well. | 15:36 |
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| nealph_ | eglynn: I see a reference to "admin read only" in that etherpad as well...anticipate ceilo impacts there? | 15:36 |
| nealph_ | or is that another topic entirely... | 15:36 |
| eglynn | fabiog: the nova scheduler knows from the resource tracker reports | 15:36 |
| eglynn | fabiog: ... though apparently the info provided to the cinder scheduler by some drivers is very questionable | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: ... e.g a continual report of infinite capacity available | 15:37 |
| fabiog | nealph: I think we can solve that using the RBAC approach | 15:37 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: right | 15:37 |
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| eglynn | nealph_: I'm not directly involved in that read-only notion | 15:39 |
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| nealph_ | eglynn: fair enough. :) | 15:39 |
| eglynn | nealph_: ... but the proposal was to add such an out-of-the-box read-only-admin role to keystone, and extend the RBAC config for the services to include a read-only rule | 15:39 |
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| eglynn | nealph_: proposed to cross-project track | 15:40 |
| eglynn | nealph_: ... line 71 here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-summit-topics | 15:40 |
| eglynn | (not much detail there TBH) | 15:40 |
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| nealph_ | eglynn: cool, will chase it down offline. | 15:40 |
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| fabiog | eglynn, nealph_: the current roles in Openstack are too coarse, you either have admin and do everything or you are confined in the project as regular user | 15:40 |
| fabiog | I mean the one available out of the box | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: yeah, either king-of-all-you-survey, or a mere peasant | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | ok, guess we can move on | 15:42 |
| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:42 |
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| DinaBelova | may I start here? :) | 15:43 |
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| DinaBelova | I wanted to point one topic you guys might be interested in | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:merge-compute-and-central-agents,n,z | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | here are some things to be done to merge out central and compute agents | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | our* | 15:43 |
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| DinaBelova | so I'd love to collect your feedback on this POC | 15:43 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool, I'll add that to my review list, thanks! | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, thank you sir! | 15:44 |
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| DinaBelova | of course, I'd like to have some preapproval | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | to create BP | 15:44 |
| fabiog | DinaBelova: I will have a look. | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, thanks! | 15:44 |
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| DinaBelova | then I'll create BP and add it everywhere | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | to all these commits | 15:45 |
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| fabiog | Dinabelova, I would like in general to move away from polling from Nova | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | fabiog, that'll be kind of next step I believe | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | I don't like this polling as well.. | 15:45 |
| fabiog | Dinabelova, because they already complained that we are significantly impacting their performance when we do that | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, I can imagine | 15:46 |
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| cdent | it should be the responsibility of the service to create their own notifier or poller, not ceilometers... | 15:46 |
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| fabiog | Dinabelova, so this seems to me to consolidate the polling strategy but it doesn't remove the problem at the rott | 15:46 |
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| fabiog | root | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, for now - yep | 15:47 |
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| DinaBelova | but currently even compute agent code seems to have no sence | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | after nsaje's commits | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | that make agents code more unified | 15:47 |
| llu-laptop | DinaBelova: my first thought of merging central/compute agent is that may require we introduce some disable-self' | 15:48 |
| fabiog | Dinabelova, I think you will be able to run a Central Agent with only a pipeline for Nova in the nova nodes, is this the way you are achieving a similar result to the current behaviour? | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, yeah, I'm operating just pipelines | 15:48 |
| llu-laptop | mechanism in the pollster, in case we have compute only pollsters enabled on a non hypervisor machine | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | to define waht to poll | 15:48 |
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| DinaBelova | by this ceilometer-polling-agent | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | yep, seems to be two orthogonal issues here ... | 15:48 |
| eglynn | 1. remove needless duplication/specialization between agents | 15:49 |
| eglynn | 2. rationalize polling load on the nova-api etc. | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes, and that's why I'm asking your help here :) | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | not only eglynn, but all of you | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:49 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: so you're currently concentrating exclusively on issue #1 amiright? | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 15:49 |
| cdent | #1 is a great idea | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | I'll propose to solve #2 in next changes | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | to make these steps simpler | 15:50 |
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| DinaBelova | they are refactoring.... mostly... lots of refactoring | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:50 |
| eglynn | cool, sounds like we should all put our 2 cents in on gerrit | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:50 |
| DinaBelova | thanks! | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | we could also possibly discuss f2f at the contributor meeting in Paris? | 15:51 |
| eglynn | speaking of which ... | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, it'll be cool, but I'd love to start this activity now | 15:51 |
| eglynn | cool enough | 15:51 |
| DinaBelova | as some first steps seem to be simple | 15:51 |
| fabiog | eglynn: we have a fix for the Dispatcher to re-try db connection once is lost or late, can you guys please have a look at: https://review.openstack.org/127128 | 15:51 |
| eglynn | BTW last week we said we'd punt deciding the design summit topics to next week's meeting | 15:52 |
| eglynn | everyone still good with that? | 15:52 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, works for me | 15:52 |
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| prad | neutron | 15:52 |
| fabiog | eglynn, I am good with that | 15:52 |
| fabiog | eglynn, are you going to have every proposant to discuss the proposal in IRC? | 15:53 |
| fabiog | or do you need some prep work | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog, eglynn - probably sum small meeting needed? | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | if it'll be quesitons | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | some* | 15:54 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yep, I was thinking that each proposer would give a short pitch, handle quick Q&A if necessary | 15:54 |
| DinaBelova | or yeah, something like that ^^ | 15:54 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: elevator pitch is good | 15:55 |
| eglynn | then folks could go away and digest what they've heard | 15:55 |
| eglynn | ... before registering their preferences later on the spreadsheet | 15:55 |
| eglynn | ... so that we can gauge interest in the various topics | 15:56 |
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| eglynn | sound like a reasonable approach? | 15:56 |
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| fabiog | eglynn: it does. But I believe we may need 2 meetings considering the amount of proposals | 15:56 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, +1 | 15:56 |
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| nealph_ | fabiog: or a time limit. :) | 15:57 |
| eglynn | fabiog: yeah, you could be right | 15:57 |
| fabiog | eglynn, or leave the Q&A for the second meeting | 15:57 |
| eglynn | fabiog: ... the schedule needs to be finalized at least a week before summit | 15:57 |
| eglynn | fabiog: ... so maybe we'll need to organize an extra meeting some after if we overrun | 15:57 |
| eglynn | meeting *soon after | 15:58 |
| eglynn | e.g. the Friday or the following Monday | 15:58 |
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| fabiog | eglynn, cool but we have the 16 and 23 | 15:58 |
| llu-laptop | could we just extend the next week's meeting's extra time to ceilometer channel? | 15:58 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: yeah, that would work for me | 15:58 |
| cdent | +1 | 15:59 |
| DinaBelova | +1 | 15:59 |
| eglynn | as per usual, we're up against the shotclock | 15:59 |
| cdent | time | 16:00 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, see you folks! | 16:00 |
| fabiog | bye | 16:00 |
| eglynn | yep, let's call it a wrap ... thanks folks for your time! | 16:00 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 16:00:31 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 17:00:33 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi who's here today? | 17:00 |
| Seokho | hello | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_October_9th_2014_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:00 |
| riwinters | hello | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz, mkoderer, andreaf_, afazekas: around? | 17:02 |
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| dkranz | here | 17:02 |
| afazekas | hi | 17:02 |
| dtroyer | yo | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | ok let's get started | 17:02 |
| Seokho | hello~ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit topic brainstorming (mtreinish) | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | so the tenative timeslots have been posted for the design summit | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | by my count we've got 7 regular slots and 1 day full day meetup room (shared with relmgt and infra) | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | so I'd like to dedicate next week's meeting to discuss the priorities and plan out our sessions | 17:04 |
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| * psedlak ~ delay hi | 17:04 | |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: there is an absence of devstack and grenade topics on the brainstorming list | 17:04 |
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| mtreinish | I think we should have at least one session on those | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | is everyone ok with doing the planning meeting next week? if so I'll send a note out to the ML about it | 17:05 |
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| dkranz | yes | 17:05 |
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| dtroyer | maybe it's been the timeslots, but the last couple of devstack sessions were either highly focused (mini-meetup stuff?) or just talking about what happened (ml). | 17:06 |
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| dtroyer | so much of the planning for devstack comes out of the other areas to support what goes on there. | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok, well depending on how the breakdown looks maybe an earlier combined grenade/devstack session and then just do the meat of it during the mini-meetup | 17:07 |
| dtroyer | I was thinking to focus on Friday and not use up a sesion for status and stuff we could do on the ml | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | ok, that works too | 17:08 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I would propose a double slot for "tempest in the brave new world", which will spill over anyway | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, do you want to put a comment on that in the etherpad? | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | it might be a disjoined double session if your cross-project topic on it gets picked | 17:09 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: True. When will those get picked? | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: dunno | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | ttx: ^^^ ? | 17:10 |
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| mtreinish | aside from the open question, which I'll find an answer to, is there anything else to discuss on this topic for right now? | 17:11 |
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| chandankumar | hi sorry i am a bit late. | 17:12 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 17:12 |
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| mtreinish | so dkranz you put this on the agenda, you've got a new spec correct? | 17:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: yes | 17:12 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I am eager to see tempest-lib have service clients and this is a necessary step, at least | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126004/ | 17:13 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: There were no negative comments about this on the ml when I first brought up the thread | 17:14 |
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| dkranz | not that that proves anything :) | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, well sdague had a similar proposal at one point, and my only concern was refactor cost | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | but let's get some eyes on the review | 17:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: It's pretty much the same kind of work as moving checking to the clients which was not so bad | 17:15 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I know it is not required but I am really hoping that in-project tests will share the same clients and configuration as tempest | 17:16 |
| andreaf | dkranz: looks nice to me, I'll review it in details this week | 17:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: so we can retain a real test suite even after many tests are not in tempest anymore | 17:16 |
| dkranz | andreaf: thanks | 17:16 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: well we're purposely not putting any config file in tempest-lib so the config file won't be shared between tempest and functional tests | 17:17 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: not the file itself, but the conf "interface" | 17:18 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: there is no reason that could not be shared | 17:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I would hate for in-project tests and similar tests in tempest using different names for the parameters that are configured | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | oh, yeah if they're using service-clients that are in tempest-lib that wouldn't be an issue | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | but I get what you're saying, we can try to make sure that we're thinking about that when we do the migration | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone else have a spec they'd like to bring up? | 17:20 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: right. It goes back to Maru's idea that func tests should be runnable in real and specific environments | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:21 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/juno | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | so coming to the end of the cycle we're actually in a better spot than I thought we'd be a few weeks ago | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | we've closed a couple more bps | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | and I think we're close to closing a couple more soon | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have an update on an open bp? | 17:23 |
| * mtreinish looks at andreaf | 17:23 | |
| andreaf | yes to the https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/tempest-client-scenarios is completed | 17:23 |
| salv-orlando | like branchless-tempest-extensions? | 17:23 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: yep | 17:23 |
| salv-orlando | I have pushed the devstack patch that uses verify-tempest-config -ur | 17:24 |
| salv-orlando | and abandoned the tempest patch which we do not need anymore | 17:24 |
| salv-orlando | all I need now is reviews. | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: cool do you have a link | 17:24 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: client-checks-success is done except for compute. But might as well do that along with getting rid of _ | 17:25 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/branchless-tempest-extensions,n,z | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | salv-orlando: it'll be good to try and get that landed before the cycle ends, so we can finally properly split extensions on releases for the gate | 17:25 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: test accounts is quite close - only 1 patch outstanding - at least for the scope of the bp itself, there will be a part two required to put it in production. We've verified that the new code works fine with tenant isolation off and on, as well as with locking accounts and non-locking accounts | 17:26 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107685/ | 17:26 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: cool, thanks. I think that -1 will be fixed by https://review.openstack.org/126694 | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yes, that will be awesome to get landed | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | it's only take >40 revs... :) | 17:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: indeed... | 17:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: and finally the resource-cleanup part1 is complete | 17:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: which is great and we can see in the test-accounts bp now that resource_cleanup is always invoked :) | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, that's fine. I'll retarget it to kilo after the meeting (unless you beat me to it) | 17:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: and I'm kicking off part2 here: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115353/ | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: cool | 17:29 |
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| andreaf | so it would be great to get as much feedback as possible on that review as it defines the framework for the rest of the work | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: actually andreaf reminded me I was looking at that post-run cleanup tool, and I don't think it'll work now that resource-cleanup has landed | 17:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Why? | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: because it determines the set of resources to clean based on leaked tenants | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | but we're ensuring that all the tenants get cleared for each run (except for an error) | 17:30 |
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| mtreinish | but if we're not cleaning up the resources created in that tenant the script won't say anything | 17:31 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: upz | 17:31 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: so we get rid of the tenant now but not any resources in it? | 17:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I nope not | 17:31 |
| andreaf | we get read of all resources | 17:31 |
| andreaf | and last of the tenant | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: well, potentially | 17:31 |
| andreaf | but we get read of the tenant even if there was a failure during resource cleanup | 17:32 |
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| andreaf | s/read/rid | 17:32 |
| dkranz | I don't think that script was assuming the existing broken behavior | 17:32 |
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| dkranz | So are you saying the script is not necessary now? | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: no it is, but we need to rethink how it does detection | 17:33 |
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| mtreinish | anyway we can discuss that after the meeting | 17:33 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, the original problem was that many resources have no --all-tenant options so having a tenant is the only way to get at them | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other bps to discuss? | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, yeah that's what I figured | 17:34 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: well I guess no-one had a chance to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115353/ yet | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | it might require taking this to the ml to try and figure out a common method for everything on how to detect leftover things from a deleted tenant | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: well I havent :) | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | but yeah if everyone could take a look at that patch, I'd like to get a lot of eyes on it | 17:36 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: sure. But it will still work with non-isolated tenants which was really the inspiring use case | 17:36 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I included some docstring with details on how I think the various stages should be used | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | because we're deciding how to stage our resource creation and teardown | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: ok good, yeah that'll be helpful to figure out how to use it once we land it | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: any updates from the world of Devstack? | 17:38 |
| dtroyer | We've been working on the docs transition and fixing doc errors. | 17:39 |
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| dtroyer | Infra has the place they want to put it, looks like devstack.org is going to wind up being a redirect into (i forget which existing site) | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | probably docs.o.o | 17:40 |
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| mtreinish | that's where everything else gets published | 17:40 |
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| dtroyer | also preparing for the stable/juno branch; getting the stuff in that makes out lives easier before that, like salv-orlando mentioned earlier, but just as importantly, keeping out kilo-specific stuff before that branch is cut | 17:40 |
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| dtroyer | this is that odd twilight zone transition time | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | yeah, it's always interesting | 17:41 |
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| dtroyer | that's it for interesting things | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok cool thanks | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | it'll be good to get the docs auto publishing, I think that'll make things a lot nicer | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone have anything else on devstack? | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | ok so with the release pending we have to be considering the branch switchover logic here | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | and with sdague away we need to figure out how to do it | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | clarkb, jogo: ^^^ do you remember how to do this? | 17:45 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: what branch switch-over | 17:45 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: oh, you mean grenade and devstack | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | when juno is released we need to make sure we upgrade from stable/juno -> master | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | and stable/icehouse -> stable/juno | 17:45 |
| mtreinish | etc | 17:45 |
| andreaf | mtreinish, dkranz: some branch names are hardcoded there | 17:45 |
| clarkb | so for a short time we do icehouse to kilo | 17:45 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: also in d-g | 17:46 |
| clarkb | then we add machinery in d-g and zuul to have jobs for juno to kilo | 17:46 |
| clarkb | that also tie icehouse to juno | 17:46 |
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| clarkb | the biggest part is in d-g | 17:46 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: ok cool, as long as you've got a handle on the steps I think we'll be fine | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | I just wanted to make sure someone knew the recipe | 17:47 |
| clarkb | ya its not too bad | 17:47 |
| jogo | mtreinish: I remember we had problems last time | 17:47 |
| clarkb | we do it conservatively too to avoid badness hence icehouse to kilo for short time | 17:48 |
| mtreinish | jogo: I think that was related branchless tempest | 17:48 |
| jogo | mtreinish: no, it was related to an old swift proposed branch or something | 17:48 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: oh, ok | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | yeah I remember something like that now | 17:49 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: for grenade we just needsomething like this AFIAK If9417e65c7c54d017c4c847a4020f855684c423c | 17:49 |
| clarkb | the swift thing is mostly a non issue now | 17:49 |
| clarkb | because we tag intermediate milestones | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | ok, well we're at ~10min left so let's move on | 17:50 |
| mtreinish | clarkb, jogo: we can pick this up after the meeting | 17:50 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 17:51 |
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| mtreinish | so it looks like we our new bug count dropped a bit this past week | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | but not nearly as much as last week | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | either way we're getting closer to the goal of 0 new bugs | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | it looks this week masayukig was the triage volunteer | 17:52 |
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| mtreinish | and next week gmann volunteered | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-bug-triage-rotation | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | ok does anyone have anything else to discuss about bugs? | 17:53 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:54 |
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| mtreinish | ok, with the time remaining does anyone have a review they'd like to get some extra eyes on? | 17:54 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123562/ | 17:54 |
| dkranz | This was from jogo | 17:54 |
| jogo | dkranz: I was just about to respond to you in -qa | 17:55 |
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| dkranz | We discussed this at least once before, but should we issue a failure on all failures to delete resources? | 17:55 |
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| dkranz | I think that is what jogo wants, but his patch won't get it. | 17:55 |
| jogo | dkranz: lets chat in -qa after | 17:55 |
| dkranz | jogo: ok | 17:55 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, jogo: yeah we can pick this up in -qa | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other reviews? | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | I guess I'll put up: | 17:56 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/123589 | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | not super critical though, just a tox cleanup | 17:57 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I like what the commit message says and tried to review it but am not familiar enough with tox | 17:58 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, yeah it was the best way I could figure out how to make the envs common but separate | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | the other option was 2 tox.inis | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: I'll link you the tox config doc | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other reviews | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | let's end here | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
| Seokho | thanks | 18:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 18:00:12 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-09-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-10-09-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| mikal | Anyone here for the nova meeting? | 21:00 |
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| n0ano | o/ | 21:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 21:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | hi | 21:00 |
| tjones | hi | 21:00 |
| edleafe | o/ | 21:00 |
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| boden | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Excellent | 21:00 |
| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 9 21:00:52 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
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| mikal | Greetings earth humans | 21:01 |
| jogo | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | \o | 21:01 |
| alaski | hi | 21:01 |
| dansmith | foo | 21:01 |
| jogo | bar | 21:01 |
| angdraug | o/ | 21:01 |
| mikal | The agenda is quite short this week, so here's hoping for a short meeting | 21:01 |
| mikal | #topic Juno RC2 | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Juno RC2 (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mikal | There will be an RC2 for nova | 21:01 |
| mikal | When I went ot bed last night we were still waiting for a fix for one last bug | 21:01 |
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| mikal | Oh, it merged over night... | 21:02 |
| dansmith | which was that? | 21:02 |
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| mikal | One sec | 21:02 |
| mikal | Laptop fail | 21:02 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/126144 | 21:02 |
| dansmith | it's a poor workman who blames his tools | 21:02 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126144/ | 21:02 |
| dansmith | ah, yeah, good | 21:02 |
| * mikal double checks the bug list as well | 21:03 | |
| angdraug | what about the evacuate fix for rbd? | 21:03 |
| angdraug | #link https://review.openstack.org/121745 | 21:03 |
| mriedem | angdraug: don't think so | 21:03 |
| mikal | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/juno-rc2 | 21:03 |
| mriedem | it doesn't break upgrades does it? | 21:03 |
| dansmith | mriedem: agreed | 21:03 |
| mikal | angdraug: its not targetted to rc2? | 21:03 |
| mikal | So yeah, that's good | 21:03 |
| mikal | We have fixes for all the targetted bugs | 21:03 |
| mriedem | it's not | 21:03 |
| angdraug | no its not, I don't have the right to target it to anything | 21:04 |
| mikal | I will check if we've done the backports after my morning meetings | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i've marked it for juno-backport-potential | 21:04 |
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| angdraug | thanks! | 21:04 |
| mriedem | angdraug: join the bug team, it's free | 21:04 |
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| mikal | I will (or some volunteer) need to re-generate the translations for the rc | 21:04 |
| mikal | But that's a mechanical thing | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | not it | 21:04 |
| mikal | Heh, I can do it | 21:04 |
| mikal | Its "documented" at least | 21:04 |
| mikal | So... Let's move on | 21:04 |
| mikal | #topic Kilo | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| * dansmith has a kilo thing | 21:05 | |
| mikal | Specs are now open | 21:05 |
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| mikal | There's a fast track for previously approved stuff | 21:05 |
| mikal | And another different fast track for trivial stuff | 21:05 |
| mikal | dansmith: what is your thing? | 21:05 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126620/ | 21:05 |
| dansmith | we | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | have been talking about doing that for at least two cycles | 21:05 |
| dansmith | and instance_extra is a good place to put it, | 21:05 |
| dansmith | and some of the stuff we have planned really needs extra_specs for flavors to be persisted | 21:06 |
| dansmith | so eff it, lets get it done! | 21:06 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:06 |
| dansmith | I have patches up for the code I'm working on, | 21:06 |
| mikal | But, dansmith -1'ed it | 21:06 |
| dansmith | but that's the spec | 21:06 |
| dansmith | yeah, that guy is an ass, ignore his -1 | 21:06 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:06 |
| mikal | Ok, so I guess that's a request for specs-core's to review that spec please | 21:06 |
| dansmith | anyway, hoping to get that one in the queue soon here | 21:06 |
| dansmith | cha, please | 21:07 |
| mikal | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126620/ | 21:07 |
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| dansmith | I haven't created the blueprint yet in case anyone wants to argue over the horrible name I picked | 21:07 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:07 |
| mikal | Fair enough | 21:07 |
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| mikal | So... | 21:07 |
| mikal | We said we would ask about trivial things in each meeting | 21:07 |
| mikal | So, has anyone proposed a trivial BP yet that they need approved? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | jogo had one | 21:07 |
| mikal | linky? | 21:07 |
| mriedem | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-October/048199.html | 21:08 |
| mriedem | pp[d | 21:08 |
| mriedem | oops | 21:08 |
| mikal | Actually, let's do this | 21:08 |
| dansmith | we already approved the kilo-objects one | 21:08 |
| mriedem | finger fail | 21:08 |
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| mikal | #topic Kilo trivial BPs approval | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kilo trivial BPs approval (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127123/ | 21:08 |
| mriedem | that's the one jogo thought was trivial | 21:08 |
| jogo | yup https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/io-ops-weight | 21:09 |
| mikal | Ahhh, cool | 21:09 |
| mikal | Does anyone disagree with it being trivial? | 21:09 |
| dansmith | it was already a spec though | 21:09 |
| mikal | dansmith: the spec was only 10 lines | 21:09 |
| dansmith | maybe it's worth just keeping it since it's done? | 21:09 |
| jogo | dansmith: but the delta in the spec is 10 lines | 21:09 |
| alaski | yeah, I wouldn't ask for a spec now but since it's there... why not keep it | 21:10 |
| jogo | alaski: that sounds reasonable | 21:10 |
| dansmith | um | 21:10 |
| boden | question -- I've seen some patches coming through for what I'd consider trivial BPs, but the BPs are not approved.. should we be -1|2'ing these until the BP is approved? | 21:10 |
| alaski | perhaps the precedent of a spec for a weigher isn't good, dunno | 21:10 |
| jogo | boden: this is only for specs | 21:10 |
| dansmith | the spec has a delta too, but it's actually just moving the spec from juno right? | 21:10 |
| jogo | boden: ahh sorry misread your question, I think you should WIP them | 21:11 |
| mikal | Oh I see | 21:11 |
| mikal | Yeah, its a move from Juno with a small tweak post move? | 21:11 |
| dansmith | right | 21:11 |
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| mikal | ITs a juno-approved spec which wasn't implemented | 21:11 |
| jogo | dansmith: yeah, if we want to keep the juno copy in tree he needs a rebase | 21:11 |
| dansmith | mikal: right | 21:11 |
| dansmith | mikal: seems silly to throw it away | 21:11 |
| mikal | jogo: I think we should keep the juno one in place | 21:12 |
| mikal | But why don't we just fix it for him? | 21:12 |
| mikal | And then approve it? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | I mean, it looks pretty minor but.. not sure why we'd throw away info | 21:12 |
| jogo | mikal: that works | 21:12 |
| dansmith | sure | 21:12 |
| jogo | so this would count as trivial but he already wrote it, so why not | 21:12 |
| mikal | dansmith: I didn't realize it was a move, it just looked like a really small diff at first | 21:12 |
| dansmith | jogo: right | 21:12 |
| mikal | jogo: yeah, and it gets the "previously-approved" fast track anyways | 21:12 |
| mikal | Ok, let's do that | 21:12 |
| mikal | A volunteer? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | mikal: yeah, the previously-approved tag is the key I think | 21:12 |
| dansmith | unfortunately, moves are really obscure in gerrit :( | 21:13 |
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| dansmith | I volunteer... jogo | 21:13 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:13 |
| mikal | I'll do it after my meetings if jogo doesn't get to it before then | 21:13 |
| jogo | dansmith: already on it | 21:13 |
| mikal | Ok, I shall stand down... | 21:13 |
| dansmith | jogo is like one of the best spec rebasers I know | 21:13 |
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| mikal | So, any other trivial Kilo BPs? | 21:13 |
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| mikal | No, moving on | 21:14 |
| mikal | #topic Code for unapproved blueprints | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Code for unapproved blueprints (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
| mikal | Bringing this up because we were just asked | 21:14 |
| mikal | My thoughts are that we should do a procedural -2 on code where the BP isn't approved yet | 21:14 |
| mikal | Like we did in Juno | 21:14 |
| mikal | The biggest wart being that means that the -2'er needs to be around to remove their -2 later | 21:15 |
| mikal | Anyone got a better idea? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | could also -WIP but that gets lost on new patch set | 21:15 |
| * dansmith hears crickets | 21:15 | |
| mriedem | so don't -2 and die | 21:16 |
| mikal | Ok, the plan stands | 21:16 |
| mikal | I think in Juno it was mostly John and I who did it | 21:16 |
| mikal | But I think any core can | 21:16 |
| mikal | As long as they promise to be around later to remove it | 21:16 |
| mikal | No vacations, ever | 21:16 |
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| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:16 | |
| mikal | Anything we need to know with the gate? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | naw | 21:16 |
| dansmith | things aren't happy right? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | we have quota bugs | 21:16 |
| * mriedem looks up link | 21:17 | |
| dansmith | lots of failures because of mirror timeouts it seems | 21:17 |
| jogo | well we have confirmed we have quota bugs | 21:17 |
| jogo | we knew we had them for a long time | 21:17 |
| mriedem | the timeouts are resolved i think | 21:17 |
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| mikal | Could we perhaps fix them? | 21:17 |
| dansmith | ah, okay | 21:17 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1353962 | 21:17 |
| mikal | The quota bugs that is | 21:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1353962 in nova "Test job failes with FixedIpLimitExceeded with nova network" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:17 |
| mriedem | so i got a few patches up for more logging, | 21:17 |
| mriedem | and we're seeing some really f'ing weird things with quotas in the logs re: fixed_ips | 21:17 |
| mriedem | like overquota on 0 usage | 21:17 |
| mriedem | and -1 usage | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i've refactored most of the quota_reserve method in the db api so it's not so terrible to look at | 21:18 |
| mikal | mriedem: the bug is unassigned, but it sounds like you're working it? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | next step is figuring out what in there is buggy b/c of project vs user specific quotas | 21:18 |
| mriedem | mikal: well, i'm losing sleep over it... | 21:18 |
| mriedem | so i guess | 21:18 |
| mikal | mriedem: do you need volunteers to help? | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | yes | 21:18 |
| mriedem | people that know quotas | 21:18 |
| mikal | mriedem: or are we blocking on more debugging info? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | and nova-network? | 21:19 |
| mikal | Jay Pipes perhaps? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | so vishy, comstud and Vek | 21:19 |
| mikal | Or Vishy | 21:19 |
| mriedem | it's really fixed_ips only i think b/c that's the only thing we default to unlimited quotas | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | and i think that plus the fact it's a per-project quota resource is showing the bug somewhere | 21:19 |
| mikal | mriedem: do you want me to ping vishy, or shall you? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | i just did i think | 21:20 |
| mikal | Ok | 21:20 |
| mriedem | oh and this might help https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76413/ | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i'm going to clean that up if the author doens't first | 21:20 |
| mikal | The author has been awol on that patch for what, two weeks? | 21:20 |
| mriedem | otherwise the gate issues are mostly infra http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 21:20 |
| mikal | I think you're safe to clean it up | 21:20 |
| mriedem | mikal: it's one of our oldest patches, that's how i saw it | 21:21 |
| mriedem | from the ML shame this morning | 21:21 |
| mriedem | so i'll clean it up when i get 5 minutes | 21:21 |
| mikal | There was ML shame? | 21:21 |
| mikal | I haven't read my email yet today | 21:21 |
| mriedem | well, indirectly | 21:21 |
| mriedem | review stats | 21:21 |
| mikal | Ahhh, ok | 21:21 |
| mikal | So, nothing else for the gate? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | anyway, that's it | 21:21 |
| mikal | Move on again? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | no | 21:21 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:21 |
| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:21 |
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| mikal | Ok, what else do people have? | 21:22 |
| dansmith | objects | 21:22 |
| mikal | We should have them | 21:22 |
| jogo | start planning the next midcycle? | 21:22 |
| jogo | other teams are doing it, I feel left out | 21:22 |
| mikal | Ok, let's do one at a time though | 21:22 |
| mikal | dansmith: as in you want help with objects? | 21:22 |
| dansmith | well, always, but that's not what I was going to say: | 21:22 |
| dansmith | first, I have some patches up for cleaning up how we manage backports of dependent objects, | 21:22 |
| dansmith | so people should look at those | 21:23 |
| dansmith | secondly, it looks like we're going to try to push the core infrastructure into an oslo library in kilo, | 21:23 |
| mriedem | ooo | 21:23 |
| mriedem | that's gantt's wet dream right? | 21:23 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: cool | 21:23 |
| dansmith | which means (a) some cleanups need to go into nova before the forklift, so please be on the lookout for those and (b) at some point, we'll need to cut over to the library, which will be some more | 21:23 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:24 |
| dansmith | mriedem: heh, I dunno what they dream about :) | 21:24 |
| mikal | dansmith: do we want a spec for it? Or a trivial BP? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | objects | 21:24 |
| mikal | Or we can see what to review to get it done? | 21:24 |
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| dansmith | mikal: there will be a spec for oslo soon | 21:24 |
| mikal | /Or/So/ | 21:24 |
| dansmith | mikal: I dunno that we really need another one for "delete code from nova when appropriate" | 21:24 |
| mriedem | oslo.objects | 21:24 |
| dansmith | but whatever you want | 21:24 |
| mikal | I think a nova trivial BP to cover the refactoring might help reviewers | 21:24 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: devananda: I remember ironic is using the object also, does it sync with nova side? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | we don't have specs for moving to oslo libs | 21:24 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | otherwise dims' head would explode | 21:24 |
| dansmith | yjiang5: very occasionally, this should help | 21:25 |
| mikal | Ok, next was the mid-cycle | 21:25 |
| mikal | So now is probably a good time to confess that I totally have a plan | 21:25 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: cool. | 21:25 |
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| jogo | mikal: woot | 21:25 |
| dansmith | hawaii? | 21:25 |
| mikal | jogo: the plan is current California, in January | 21:25 |
| devananda | yjiang5: yes, we are interested in consolidating objects and moving them to oslo | 21:25 |
| angdraug | yay! | 21:25 |
| mikal | IBM wanted it, but there's snow | 21:25 |
| mikal | And I don't like snow | 21:25 |
| jogo | not Hawaii? | 21:26 |
| mikal | I haven't written an email about it yet, but expect that in the next day or so | 21:26 |
| tjones | almost hawaii | 21:26 |
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| jogo | mikal: southern California | 21:26 |
| mikal | jogo: HP failed to step up to offer a Hawaiian location | 21:26 |
| dansmith | in no way is california "almost hawaii" | 21:26 |
| tjones | LOL | 21:26 |
| mikal | jogo: think Palo Alto | 21:26 |
| mikal | dansmith: it has in-and-out | 21:26 |
| jogo | mikal: :( damn | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ibm would do the L mid cycle | 21:26 |
| mikal | dansmith: that's close enough for me | 21:26 |
| dansmith | pfft | 21:26 |
| devananda | mikal: just not sunnyvale | 21:26 |
| mriedem | june is much better in MN than feb | 21:26 |
| mikal | mriedem: yes, I think we should seriously consider IBM for the Lemming mid-cycle | 21:27 |
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| dansmith | but wait | 21:27 |
| dansmith | if I step back onto an IBM campus, I burst into flame or something | 21:27 |
| mikal | dansmith: heh | 21:27 |
| edleafe | mikal: oh snap | 21:27 |
| mikal | dansmith: I will bring a bucket of water then | 21:27 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:27 |
| mikal | So, yes | 21:27 |
| mikal | I think we're actually ahead of the curve with mid-cycle | 21:27 |
| mikal | I just haven't communicated well | 21:27 |
| mikal | So, any other topics? | 21:28 |
| mikal | Or do people want 30 minutes of their day back? | 21:28 |
| dansmith | early mark! | 21:28 |
| mikal | Its a thing | 21:28 |
| jogo | I have one last quick thing | 21:28 |
| mikal | jogo: go | 21:28 |
| jogo | please look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 21:28 |
| mikal | Oh yes | 21:29 |
| mikal | And continue to look at the summit ideas ehterpad too | 21:29 |
| jogo | #note please look at and contribute to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 21:29 |
| mikal | I want to try and get those two nailed down in the next week or so | 21:29 |
| mikal | Once rc2 is out the door | 21:29 |
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| mikal | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/io-ops-weight for reference | 21:30 |
| mikal | So, we're done? | 21:30 |
| jogo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-priorities | 21:30 |
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| jogo | I can never remember the meeting bot commands | 21:30 |
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| jogo | early mark! | 21:31 |
| mikal | Going... | 21:31 |
| mikal | Going... | 21:31 |
| jaypipes | gone. | 21:31 |
| mikal | Gone | 21:31 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 9 21:31:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-09-21.00.html | 21:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-09-21.00.txt | 21:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2014/nova.2014-10-09-21.00.log.html | 21:31 |
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| mikal | Thanks peoples | 21:31 |
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