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| DeeJay1 | o7 | 08:00 |
| Daisy | Nice | 08:00 |
| Fdot | :) | 08:00 |
| Daisy | Let's start | 08:00 |
| Fdot | Hello Daisy :) | 08:00 |
| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 08:00:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 08:00 |
| Daisy | Good afternoon, Fdot, DeeJay1 | 08:01 |
| DeeJay1 | Morning :) | 08:01 |
| Fdot | Morning :) | 08:01 |
| epico | good afternoon, Daisy. | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Hi, good afternoon, epico | 08:01 |
| ygbo | Hi all, | 08:01 |
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| Daisy | Hi, ygbo | 08:01 |
| Daisy | Nice to see you all. | 08:01 |
| Daisy | We will talk about Horizon translation today. | 08:02 |
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| Daisy | Let's see if jpich or amotoki would join us. | 08:02 |
| jpich | I'm here, although I have an overlapping meeting in 30min | 08:02 |
| Daisy | Before they come, we could talk about our translation tools. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | jpich, it's ok. | 08:02 |
| Daisy | You could jump in while we are talking about Horizon translation. | 08:03 |
| amotoki | i am here, but am in the other f2f meeting. | 08:03 |
| Daisy | #topic translation tools update | 08:03 |
| jpich | I'll try! | 08:03 |
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| Daisy | Hi, amotoki. If we need you, I will type your name. :) | 08:03 |
| Daisy | we have pootle at http://23.253.231.198/projects/ and zanata at http://15.126.226.230:8080/ | 08:04 |
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| Daisy | You could register and have a try now. | 08:04 |
| Daisy | I planned to move OpenStack glossary to these two website before the meeting, yet I failed. | 08:05 |
| Daisy | Things are difficult than I thought. | 08:05 |
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| Daisy | So I will continue to move OpenStack glossary to these two website as translation projects. | 08:05 |
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| Daisy | As to pootle, you need to register. But as to Zanata, you could use your OpenID in Launchpad to log in directly. | 08:06 |
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| Daisy | I had a talk with Doc team last week about OpenStack glossary. | 08:07 |
| Daisy | So OpenStack glossary could be published as a single document. Now it is published in a hidden way: http://docs.openstack.org/glossary/ | 08:08 |
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| Daisy | If we translate glossary, we could have non-English glossary published in each language website. | 08:08 |
| Daisy | Although the terms would be sorted in English alphabetical order. | 08:09 |
| Daisy | So glossary is a separate one, it's not big, it's stable. | 08:09 |
| Daisy | I'm going to use glossary as a test project in our two translation test server: pootle and Zanata. | 08:10 |
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| Daisy | I will separate glossary into two parts, and upload one part to each test server. | 08:10 |
| Daisy | We could try to translate glossary and try to see how well these two tools support our translation work. | 08:11 |
| Daisy | We could feel which tool is better during translation. | 08:12 |
| Fdot | Daisy, I have 2 questions about this :) | 08:12 |
| Daisy | Yes, Fdot ? | 08:12 |
| Fdot | 1- Can we send the url to our translators communities ? | 08:13 |
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| Daisy | Sure, we could. | 08:13 |
| Fdot | Ok this what we are going to do in France :) | 08:13 |
| Daisy | the second question? | 08:13 |
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| Fdot | I am going to send a message to all our community for asking to some translators want to test the 2 tools and to make a feedback :) | 08:14 |
| Fdot | 2- Do you plan to install a poll tool for voting for the tools ? | 08:14 |
| Daisy | Great ! I would suggest you send such message after I upload the glossary files. | 08:14 |
| Fdot | Or how is the decision is going to be taken ? | 08:14 |
| Daisy | I'm that clear to answer this question. | 08:15 |
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| Daisy | I discussed with pleia2 from infra team who helped us to set up these demo servers. | 08:15 |
| Daisy | I don't think I get the clear answer. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | infra team will help us to do anything we want to test these two tools. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | We could collect data during our testing. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | We could have our own preference if we make a vote. | 08:16 |
| Daisy | We could send our testing data, our vote result to openstack community | 08:17 |
| Daisy | But I'm not clear who will make the final decision. | 08:18 |
| DeeJay1 | it would be great if we could create a wiki page, where everyone involved would just leave their opinions via a +/- list | 08:18 |
| Daisy | Good suggestion, DeeJay1. | 08:18 |
| Fdot | DeeJay1: +1 | 08:18 |
| Daisy | Let me create an action. | 08:19 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to create a wiki page, to get two websites ready for translators to test. | 08:19 |
| ygbo | DeeJay1's idea is good, can be a wiki or etherpad | 08:20 |
| Daisy | Etherpad is a good choice too. | 08:20 |
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| Daisy | OK I have done my update on translation tools. | 08:21 |
| Daisy | Any other suggestions ? | 08:21 |
| Daisy | questions? | 08:21 |
| * DeeJay1 wonders how can we make translators interact more on the general mailing list | 08:21 | |
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| Daisy | a good question | 08:22 |
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| DeeJay1 | silence ensued ;) | 08:23 |
| Fdot | :) | 08:23 |
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| Daisy | hard to answer. :) | 08:23 |
| mariantb | yes, it is quite tricky. I have been using the Spanish mailing list. Yesterday I sent a quick message to encourage translators to work in the Juno project and then saw quite a difference in Transifex | 08:24 |
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| Daisy | what is the difference ? | 08:24 |
| mariantb | nothing apparently, just insisting I guess | 08:25 |
| mariantb | :) | 08:25 |
| Fdot | In France we are using the Transifex messaging tool | 08:26 |
| DeeJay1 | hmm, maybe we could prepare a survey about communication methods and send it to all the registered translation teams on transifex? | 08:26 |
| Daisy | Hi, I'm lost. | 08:27 |
| Daisy | Are we talking about the communication among all translators, or among each translation team? | 08:27 |
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| DeeJay1 | all translators, from reviewing the archives it's mostly the people who attend here who are writing on the openstack-i18n list | 08:28 |
| Daisy | mariantb: are you talking about the same ? | 08:29 |
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| Daisy | DeeJay1: it's true and it's correct. People who are active here, are active in I18n ML. | 08:29 |
| Daisy | If we want to encourage more translators to join general ML, I think, let's use the translation tool discussion as a start . | 08:30 |
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| mariantb | all translators | 08:31 |
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| Daisy | Fdot will distribute what we are doing now to the French transaltors ML. We could do the same and invite translators to come and talk. | 08:32 |
| mariantb | yes, that coule be a start | 08:32 |
| mariantb | I will do the same with Spanish | 08:32 |
| Daisy | mariantb: how many active translators now in Spanish team ? | 08:32 |
| mariantb | I am trying to send updates to the ES mailing list | 08:32 |
| Daisy | A update is a good idea too. | 08:32 |
| DeeJay1 | ok | 08:33 |
| Fdot | Daisy : I wanted to send a message to the french community trough transifex | 08:33 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1: how many active translators do you have ? | 08:34 |
| mariantb | There are 37 translators officially registered in Transifex for ES, but I'd say that around 15-20 are actually translating | 08:34 |
| Fdot | and to ask then asking them to post their comment there | 08:34 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: really hard to tell, probably just me and on or two others | 08:34 |
| Daisy | 15-20 is a big number. | 08:34 |
| Fdot | I will write a resume of the full discussion | 08:34 |
| mariantb | yes, well 15-20 in a big span of time though | 08:35 |
| Fdot | It will be easier to get feedbacks from translators in their own language | 08:35 |
| mariantb | if I think the last week, less than 10 | 08:35 |
| Daisy | In Chinese, less than 10 active transaltors. | 08:35 |
| Daisy | If I call for help, I have the confidence that I will get enough help. | 08:36 |
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| Daisy | I mean, in general, less than 10. But if I need, I would get more active people. | 08:36 |
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| Daisy | Anyway, I will think about how to make our translators more active, and we could think about it together. | 08:37 |
| mariantb | Fdot is right, when using own language, there is more activity | 08:37 |
| mariantb | ok | 08:37 |
| Daisy | Let's move to Horizon translation, the most important part. | 08:38 |
| Daisy | #topic Kick off Juno Horizon translation | 08:38 |
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| Daisy | Some updates from me. | 08:38 |
| Daisy | 1. All Horizon message catalogs from Juno (master) branch are synced to Transifex regularly. | 08:39 |
| Daisy | I checked Transifex. The last update was yesterday. | 08:39 |
| Fdot | Daisy it was an important update | 08:39 |
| Fdot | 90 strings | 08:40 |
| Fdot | with a lot of things | 08:40 |
| Fdot | is it going to move again in the next weeks ? | 08:40 |
| Daisy | I don't know if string freeze happened or not. | 08:40 |
| Fdot | that was my next question ;) | 08:41 |
| Daisy | In the schedule, string freeze is Sep 4th. That means, today. | 08:41 |
| ygbo | I have a silly question: when we have patches such as https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91338/ which change translation methods in the code, would it be possible to have dedicate "test" catalogue on the translation tool to have translators feedback on the patch to know if it improves there translations quality or not? What do you think? | 08:41 |
| Daisy | ygbo, let's talk about your question later. | 08:41 |
| ygbo | sure | 08:41 |
| Daisy | call for jpich's help. | 08:42 |
| jpich | (sorry, in another call now) | 08:42 |
| jpich | (back in a few) | 08:42 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:42 |
| Daisy | So continue my update. | 08:42 |
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| Daisy | Data processing (Sahara) Dashboard is a big newcomer in Juno. It is not small and it may take time to translate. It sometimes needs a domain expert of Hadoop to find appropriate terms. | 08:43 |
| Daisy | I see in Transifex, there are more than 600 new strings in Juno. | 08:43 |
| Daisy | It's not a small work. | 08:44 |
| Daisy | So try to get more people to help on the translation. | 08:44 |
| Daisy | 2. Previously, we had a translation check site owned by amotoki. | 08:45 |
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| Daisy | In this version, amotoki might not provide us such check site, because his machine is not that powerful to run all OpenStack components including Trove, Sahara or Ceilometer. | 08:46 |
| DeeJay1 | Daisy: hmm, I have a machine which I could give him access to | 08:46 |
| Daisy | I think, we need a translation check website to test our translation. | 08:47 |
| Daisy | He also doesn't have enough spare time too. | 08:47 |
| jpich | I think it would be worthwhile having the infra folks manage such a system | 08:47 |
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| Daisy | Yes. | 08:48 |
| Daisy | I don't know if we have enough time to set the system up. | 08:48 |
| Daisy | We have only 1 month. | 08:48 |
| Daisy | jpich: we want to know the status of string freeze. | 08:49 |
| DeeJay1 | amotoki: could you give me some hints how did you set it up? was it a usual devstack instance? | 08:49 |
| jpich | Feature freeze is meant to happen later today, though the gate is backlogged at the moment so it might be tomorrow morning | 08:49 |
| jpich | There's a couple of feature freeze exceptions for feature already accepted for Horizon, that will bring additional strings so I don't think it is very big | 08:50 |
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| Daisy | a couple of feature freeze exception? | 08:50 |
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| Daisy | If the strings is not big, it's acceptable. | 08:50 |
| jpich | Daisy: Yes, for new features - so they will have a few new strings | 08:50 |
| Daisy | Will the existing string in Horizon being updated after string freeze ? | 08:51 |
| jpich | Daisy: I believe the exceptions are mostly new strings but I haven't been able to check closely yet | 08:52 |
| Daisy | jpich: who will own the merge of translations in this release ? | 08:52 |
| Daisy | who will manage the merge of translation, I mean. | 08:52 |
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| jpich | Daisy: I believe it's automated now? | 08:52 |
| Daisy | is it you or amotoki ? | 08:52 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:53 |
| jpich | When the RC branch are created later we might need manual updates | 08:53 |
| jpich | we can talk about it then | 08:53 |
| Daisy | ok. | 08:53 |
| jpich | For now master branch translations are updated automatically | 08:53 |
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| Daisy | Got it. | 08:53 |
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| Daisy | any other questions about horizon translation for jpich ? | 08:54 |
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| Daisy | When is the last day for translation commit, jpich? | 08:55 |
| Daisy | in Juno release cycle. | 08:55 |
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| jpich | For the first Release Candicate would be good I think. From https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule it looks like Sept 25th | 08:55 |
| jpich | but I'm sure we can have exceptions for translations | 08:56 |
| jpich | October 9th may be works better so there is a month to translate all the new strings | 08:56 |
| Daisy | Great. I think 1 month is a good time period. | 08:56 |
| Daisy | So we have a tough task for translation team now. | 08:57 |
| Daisy | We need to start the translation as soon as possible. | 08:57 |
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| Daisy | I will send to ML to call for participation. | 08:57 |
| Daisy | #action Daisy to send email calling for the participation of Juno translation. | 08:58 |
| Daisy | Thanks, jpich. | 08:58 |
| Daisy | #open discussion | 08:58 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussion | 08:58 |
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| jpich | Daisy: Will you contact the infra folks about setting up a test website for translations? | 08:59 |
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| Daisy | I will, jpich | 08:59 |
| Daisy | I will look for any help I can get. | 08:59 |
| jpich | Cool :) | 08:59 |
| Daisy | DeeJay1 has a machine. amotoki has experience to set up. | 09:00 |
| Daisy | infra folks is another choice, but I don't know if time is enough. | 09:00 |
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| Daisy | I'm looking at ygbo's patch link now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91338/ | 09:01 |
| amotoki | DeeJay1: let me share infromation later. | 09:01 |
| Daisy | ygbo: it's a big patch. | 09:02 |
| Daisy | ygbo: what help do you need from I18n team? | 09:02 |
| Daisy | ygbo: could we talk among I18n ML? Time is over. I have to close the meeting | 09:03 |
| ygbo | Daisy: Well, I changed the way some strings are translated, so I would like feedback to know if the strings are easyer to translate | 09:03 |
| Daisy | Ok. I see. | 09:03 |
| amotoki | DeeJay1: it is just a normal devstack setup + custom bash script to fetch translation from transifex. | 09:03 |
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| Daisy | You want to create a test project. | 09:03 |
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| ygbo | before, a translator had to translate (subject)s (verb)s and the subject and verb where in diferent strings | 09:04 |
| Daisy | I could help to create a test project in Transifex, but I don't know how to test if the translation quality could be improved or not. | 09:04 |
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| DeeJay1 | amotoki: oh, ok, so I think I'll manage | 09:04 |
| ygbo | the issue was that the conjugation was not working in all languages. | 09:04 |
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| Daisy | Yes, I agree. | 09:04 |
| ygbo | so this patch proposes to have the full string instead. | 09:05 |
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| Daisy | ygbo: let's discuss in I18n ML about your patch. | 09:05 |
| ygbo | sure | 09:05 |
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| Daisy | Could you start a mail thread in ML about your work? | 09:05 |
| ygbo | Ol | 09:06 |
| ygbo | Ok | 09:06 |
| Daisy | I could work together with you to see how could we test the new patch. | 09:06 |
| Daisy | Thanks. | 09:06 |
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| Daisy | Thank you all for attending. | 09:06 |
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| Daisy | I will close the meeting now. | 09:06 |
| DeeJay1 | thanks all | 09:07 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 09:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:07 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 09:07:04 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-09-04-08.00.html | 09:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-09-04-08.00.txt | 09:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2014/openstack_i18n_meeting.2014-09-04-08.00.log.html | 09:07 |
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| Fdot | Thanks a lot Daisy :) | 09:07 |
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| dougwig_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| sballe | Morning | 14:00 |
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| NobodyCam | morning | 14:00 |
| sbalukoff | Morning! | 14:00 |
| rm_mobile | o/ morning | 14:01 |
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| jorgem | hello | 14:01 |
| rm_mobile | Hi | 14:01 |
| jamiem | good morning | 14:01 |
| jorgem | #start-meeting neutron-lbaas | 14:02 |
| evgenyf | hello | 14:02 |
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| dougwig | hiya. | 14:02 |
| jorgem | oh god | 14:02 |
| jorgem | lol | 14:02 |
| rm_mobile | Uhh | 14:02 |
| sbalukoff | No hyphen | 14:02 |
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| jorgem | I forgot how to start the meeting lol | 14:02 |
| jorgem | #startmeeting neutron-lbaas | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 14:02:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jorgem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| rm_mobile | Lol | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron-lbaas)" | 14:02 | |
| jorgem | there we go | 14:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:02 |
| sbalukoff | Yep! | 14:02 |
| sballe | cool! | 14:02 |
| dougwig | no hypen x2 | 14:02 |
| jorgem | #chair dougwig | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dougwig jorgem | 14:02 |
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| sballe | What's the agenda? the agenda on the LBaaS wiki aren't updated | 14:03 |
| jorgem | its been a while since I've been on time! | 14:03 |
| jorgem | I don't think much | 14:03 |
| dougwig | i think our only listed topic is blogan's driver status thing. | 14:03 |
| jorgem | I'm guessing incubator status | 14:03 |
| sbalukoff | And, if Kyle or Mark are here, an update on incubator | 14:03 |
| sballe | perfect | 14:03 |
| rm_mobile | So this might be a quick one? | 14:03 |
| sbalukoff | jinx | 14:03 |
| jorgem | rm_mobile: most likely | 14:04 |
| sbalukoff | If only it were later in the day. XD | 14:04 |
| sballe | blogan, can you resent the link to your driver? | 14:04 |
| rm_mobile | K | 14:04 |
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| sballe | rm_mobile, it never is ;-) | 14:04 |
| blogan | hello all | 14:04 |
| rm_mobile | Lpl | 14:04 |
| dougwig | #topic entity status and drivers | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "entity status and drivers (Meeting topic: neutron-lbaas)" | 14:04 | |
| rm_mobile | *lol | 14:04 |
| dougwig | blogan: take it away. | 14:04 |
| jorgem | blogan just got here | 14:04 |
| blogan | sorry just got here, talking about my email? | 14:05 |
| dougwig | yes | 14:05 |
| blogan | oh okay | 14:05 |
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| blogan | so I just wanted to guage interest in whether people think that drivers being responsible for setting the status of the entities is an issue | 14:06 |
| blogan | to me it is, because it leads to inconsistencies and really isn't something a driver should have to worry about | 14:06 |
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| sbalukoff | You said you had an idea on how to deal with asynchronous drivers | 14:06 |
| sbalukoff | Did you want to share that? | 14:06 |
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| blogan | well it was an idea, but i haven't done much with it | 14:07 |
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| blogan | but basically it would make the neutron lbaas API always asynchronous, and there would be an async driver interface, and a sync driver interface | 14:07 |
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| sbalukoff | How would the asynchronous driver interface work differently than the one now? | 14:08 |
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| blogan | I haven't worked it out totally because I'm not sure if anyone thinks it is worth investigating | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | (That seems like the crux of the problem, to me.) | 14:08 |
| xgerman | I am also wondering what happened to our plan of using exceptions? | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: +1 | 14:08 |
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| sballe | xgerman, +1 | 14:08 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: actually it wouldn't be an interface it would be an abstract class that would handle the polling of the async driver methods to get the status | 14:08 |
| a2hill | o/ | 14:08 |
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| blogan | xgerman: what happened was having async drivers and sync driversr | 14:08 |
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| blogan | xgerman: since we have async drivers they can't throw exceptions | 14:09 |
| blogan | xgerman: well they can it would just be uncaught | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | Hmmm... | 14:09 |
| xgerman | if we are planning to poll the async driver will appear synchronous anyway | 14:09 |
| jorgem | isn't that what the ERROR status is for? | 14:09 |
| xgerman | unless you think we want to do event=ing | 14:09 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I suspect the people who should weigh in on that would be the authors of the asynchronous driver interfaces-- whether they would prefer things to work that way, or as they do now. | 14:10 |
| dougwig | xgerman: even with sync, there's a wrinkle in that plane w.r.t. fatal vs non-fatal exceptions. since you can get an LB object that triggers creating a bunch of child objects, you could end up in a halfway state. | 14:10 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: yes and their input is what I was hoping to get today too | 14:10 |
| sbalukoff | I don't suppose any of them are present? | 14:10 |
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| xgerman | dougwig, throwing exceptions doesn't a driver preclude from cleaning up | 14:11 |
| sbalukoff | (I'm only seeing Octavia crew here that are active.) | 14:11 |
| dougwig | in really really short, if we want to support auto-magic, even with synchronous, we need three exit results from driver interfaces, not just "had an exception" or "did not have an exception". | 14:11 |
| xgerman | well, we could have different exceptions | 14:11 |
| blogan | dougwig: we can have custom exceptions that will tell the plugin what to do, even complex exceptions | 14:11 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:11 |
| blogan | that would require more investigation though | 14:11 |
| sballe | blogan, +1 | 14:11 |
| xgerman | I think a good error/exception model would be worth it | 14:11 |
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| dougwig | well, with our current models, you'd actually need to be able to communicate multiple errors at once, possibly. | 14:12 |
| sballe | +10000 | 14:12 |
| blogan | are the radware guys here today? | 14:12 |
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| xgerman | dougwig, you can chain exceptions | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | samuel? | 14:12 |
| blogan | dougwig: custom exception can have many fields to communicate that | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | I don't see Samuel. Avishay? | 14:12 |
| sballe | Based on my past experience not putting enough time in getting a good error/exception model is an issue. it always comes back and bit | 14:12 |
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| evgenyf | blogan:I'm here | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | Oh yay! | 14:13 |
| blogan | evgenyf: do you have an opinion on this? | 14:13 |
| dougwig | yep. i'm just saying that it's not as simple an interface as it sounds, which i suspect is why the statuses are in there. | 14:13 |
| evgenyf | Are we talking LBaaS v1 or v2? | 14:13 |
| blogan | I think the reason the statuses are there is because of async drivers not going through an agetn | 14:13 |
| blogan | evgenyf: v2 | 14:13 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: nothign should be added to v1 | 14:14 |
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| evgenyf | I think it should remain as it is now, in v2 we have all these active/fail/defer functions in mixins | 14:14 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: true but the alternative is not having those at all | 14:14 |
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| evgenyf | blogan, can you elaborate on your idea with async plugin API please? | 14:15 |
| evgenyf | sbalukoff: Sam and Avishay are not here | 14:16 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: basically the driver does not set the status of entities at all, it will just throw exceptions | 14:16 |
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| sbalukoff | Netsplit | 14:17 |
| blogan | evgenyf: then the plugin sets those based on the exception thrown | 14:17 |
| blogan | ah net split! | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | Awesome. | 14:17 |
| jorgem | woah mass exodus | 14:17 |
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| blogan | evgenyf: how this is done to support both async and sync drivers I have an idea about but need more time to hash it out | 14:18 |
| dougwig | we can prototype it, but given the multi-error issue, we're just going to replace one set of glue with another set that has to wrangle and chain the exceptions or setup the error fields before re-raising. the bar here should be whether it results in simpler driver code. | 14:18 |
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| evgenyf | blogan: Radware's driver has separate thread dealing with operations success/fail | 14:18 |
| blogan | dougwig: doesn't it make sense to have a separation of concerns though? the driver only has to tell the plugin what entities are affected and then the plugin decides for all drivers what to do? | 14:19 |
| blogan | that seems simpler to me | 14:19 |
| blogan | evgenyf: correct and a solution to this problem would handle that | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Are you talking about entities shared between drivers? | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | Does v2 in its current form allow that? | 14:20 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: no not at all | 14:20 |
| dougwig | if the separation results in one line per method becoming 3, then we're just re-arranging deck chairs. | 14:20 |
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| sbalukoff | Heh. | 14:21 |
| blogan | we'd be putting deck chairs in the proper location | 14:21 |
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| dougwig | or even 1. if it's truly a useless thing for drivers to be doing, we should be able to get rid of it and reduce driver code. if that doesn't happen,w e're not really insulating anything. | 14:21 |
| TrevorV | like on a deck | 14:21 |
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| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 14:21 |
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| dougwig | i'm not sure that drivers updating status is "improper". | 14:22 |
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| blogan | maybe its a philosophical difference | 14:22 |
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| blogan | which is why i wanted people to give their opinions | 14:22 |
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| xgerman | it's not a good separation of concerns | 14:22 |
| blogan | with a bit of a debate | 14:22 |
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| blogan | xgerman: i'm confused are you for or against it? | 14:22 |
| xgerman | I am for exceptions | 14:22 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Is the concern that the current system leads to more inflexible spaghetti code? | 14:23 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: i wouldn't say its spaghetti code, the driver interface dougwig creates does improve teh status management in the driver | 14:23 |
| blogan | over v1 | 14:23 |
| xgerman | well, if everybody updates statuses then it's hard to make changes/updates without everybody changing code | 14:23 |
| sballe | xgerman, +1 | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: That was what I was getting at. | 14:24 |
| blogan | the main problems I have with it are that it will lead to inconsistent statuses across drivers, and to me it doesn't seem like the drivers' responsibility | 14:24 |
| xgerman | good so we are at teh same page :-) | 14:24 |
| blogan | and what xgerman said | 14:24 |
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| dougwig | xgerman: err, it's even harder if you pull them out, because now the driver can't make the decision of how to do transactions/locking, and you can have drivers running in parallel. you can't wrap those operations at the plugin level. | 14:25 |
| dougwig | (the complex ones, not the status ones) | 14:25 |
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| blogan | to me it seems odd the driver has to worry about transactions/locking when it should be the db layer that does | 14:25 |
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| dougwig | it's part and parcel of having two sources of truth. | 14:26 |
| blogan | unless you're talking about not the lbaas db | 14:26 |
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| blogan | two soruces of truth being the lbaas db and the driver's own db? | 14:27 |
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| blogan | or whatever the vendor's storage mechanism is | 14:27 |
| dougwig | correct. we don't have things setup for atomic replacements of entire trees. | 14:27 |
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| dougwig | which means, hello hard cs problem #2. | 14:28 |
| blogan | naming things? | 14:28 |
| blogan | lol | 14:28 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha | 14:28 |
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| dougwig | i knew you would reply with that. :) | 14:28 |
| blogan | can you give a specific example dougwig? im not totally following? | 14:29 |
| blogan | that last sentence should just be a statement | 14:29 |
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| dougwig | can we talk later in channel? it's way early, and this is going to take awhile. | 14:30 |
| blogan | lols ure | 14:30 |
| blogan | its not mean to be solved today at all | 14:30 |
| sballe | dougwig, please pin me if I am available. Would love to be part of that chat | 14:31 |
| sballe | s/ping | 14:31 |
| dougwig | sballe: ok | 14:31 |
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| blogan | okay so that will be sidelined until later today | 14:31 |
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| sbalukoff | Sounds good. | 14:31 |
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| blogan | anyone have anything else? | 14:32 |
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| sballe | Is mestery on the IRC? | 14:32 |
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| sbalukoff | Are markmcclain or mestery here? | 14:32 |
| sballe | lol | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | :) | 14:32 |
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| mestery | sballe sbalukoff: o/ | 14:32 |
| evgenyf | Dougwig: could you please summarize your conversation results in ML after, please | 14:32 |
| dougwig | #topic incubator update | 14:32 |
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| dougwig | evgenyf: yes | 14:32 |
| blogan | mestery: the obligatory ask for an update on the incubator | 14:32 |
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| mestery | blogan: Absolutely sir! | 14:32 |
| sbalukoff | :D | 14:32 |
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| dougwig | i can take this one. | 14:32 |
| dougwig | it should be done this week. | 14:32 |
| dougwig | right? :) | 14:32 |
| blogan | lol | 14:32 |
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| mestery | So, the update is that now that we're past Juno FF, we will get infra to set the repository up by tomorrow. | 14:33 |
| mestery | We were holding off given their focus on holding hte gate togehter this week | 14:33 |
| mestery | markmcclain has worked with the TC and infra on the plan and they are both on board. | 14:33 |
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| mestery | Any questions? | 14:33 |
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| mestery | :) | 14:33 |
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| blogan | mestery: by tomorrow do you mean two weeks from now? or actually tomorrow? | 14:33 |
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| sbalukoff | Heh! | 14:33 |
| mestery | blogan: :P | 14:33 |
| jorgem | Is there a document with info somewhere? | 14:33 |
| sballe | I would like to understand a little more abotu the governance of the incubator proect | 14:33 |
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| mestery | Tomorrow is the plan, markmcclain should have the review out today for repo creation | 14:34 |
| jorgem | sballe: me too | 14:34 |
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| sbalukoff | mestery: Any changes in how incubator is going to be run, or is the wiki still the source of truth on this? | 14:34 |
| sballe | Based on the ML discussion we had there is a lot of confusion | 14:34 |
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| mestery | I think the governance should be documented on the wiki, let me find the link. | 14:34 |
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| mestery | sbalukoff: The wiki is still the source of truth at this point | 14:34 |
| blogan | mestery: can you make sure it gets put on the ML so we can all look at it? | 14:34 |
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| mestery | blogan: Ack, will do | 14:35 |
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| blogan | mestery: thanks a bunch | 14:35 |
| markmcclain | the wiki has pending revisions that I have not posted to clarify feature-branch vs incubator criteria | 14:35 |
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| dougwig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Incubator | 14:35 |
| sballe | mestery, Do we have any timeline for the first project to enter the Neutron incubator project | 14:35 |
| xgerman | ok, can you send an e-mail once we are supposed to look | 14:35 |
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| mestery | sballe: Once it's up, you can post blogan's patch series there right away. | 14:36 |
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| markmcclain | sballe, mestery: I'll ping blogan when it is ready and help get the patches in | 14:36 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Awesome sir! | 14:36 |
| xgerman | awesome, thanks! | 14:36 |
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| dougwig | is devstack getting modified at the same time? | 14:37 |
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| markmcclain | dougwig: not sure… I have work w/QA team | 14:37 |
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| sballe | mestery, I am looking forward to seeing this whole Neutron Incubator project working and hoepfully it will work well. We are kind of counting on this to be able to move forward | 14:38 |
| markmcclain | the gate is still seriously backed up | 14:38 |
| sballe | We == HP | 14:38 |
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| dougwig | the gate needs some fiber, for sure. | 14:38 |
| mestery | sballe: ++, I agree, I expect this to really be super helpful as well! | 14:38 |
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| markmcclain | haha | 14:39 |
| blogan | sballe: i think everyone wants to see it succeed | 14:39 |
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| sbalukoff | Yep | 14:39 |
| sballe | mestery, you should give it some Red Bull instead | 14:39 |
| xgerman | I think we just bring in Chuck Norris as a "gate opener" | 14:39 |
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| mestery | sballe: hahhahahahaha | 14:40 |
| dougwig | it's only 72 deep today. | 14:40 |
| dougwig | that's light and breezy | 14:40 |
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| dougwig | any other incubator questions or updates? | 14:40 |
| sballe | I would like to have this topic on the agenda for next week again. | 14:41 |
| rm_work | sballe: +1 | 14:41 |
| dougwig | ok | 14:41 |
| sballe | We need a weekly status on how this is working for us | 14:41 |
| sbalukoff | sballe: +1 | 14:41 |
| xgerman | sballe +1 | 14:41 |
| dougwig | mestery, markmcclain - thanks for the update | 14:41 |
| mestery | sballe: Lets use the neutron meeting for that | 14:41 |
| sballe | ok when is that? | 14:41 |
| mestery | I'd like the broader team to hear the update on the incubator as well | 14:41 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#Neutron_team_meeting | 14:41 |
| rm_work | dougwig: I have a topic when we wrap up the incubator topic and whatever else was on the official agenda | 14:42 |
| dougwig | #topic rm_work's topic | 14:42 |
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| rm_work | heh | 14:42 |
| a2hill | wonderful topic | 14:43 |
| sballe | mestery, when is the next Neutron meeting Monday or Tiesday: Mondays at 2100 UTC and Tuesdays at 1400 UT | 14:43 |
| rm_work | So, for TLS, we are "registering" with Barbican to get the user's certificate data | 14:43 |
| mestery | Tuesday | 14:43 |
| sballe | thx | 14:43 |
| rm_work | to do this, we need to auth with barbican using our own keystone user that is an "admin" | 14:43 |
| mestery | sballe: I sent email on this, and if you go here (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings) you can see it | 14:43 |
| rm_work | I don't know if there is precedent for Neutron having its own "service user". Is there? how would this be handled? | 14:43 |
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| xgerman | that should potentially be the same as us needign a nova user for Octavia | 14:44 |
| a2hill | or maybe itll be an 'operator' admin user? | 14:44 |
| rm_work | xgerman: yeah, i think very similar | 14:44 |
| xgerman | I know security looks down on passwords stored in config files | 14:45 |
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| dougwig | i'm thinking that there must be a standard "openstack" way of handling this. we can't be the first to need a backdoor account into another project. | 14:45 |
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| sballe | xgerman, you can have a Octavia tenant with admin privs for the variosu services or advsrv role in the case of Neutron | 14:45 |
| rm_work | Yeah... not sure how else to handle it -- we can't exactly store the password in Barbican <_< | 14:45 |
| sballe | we do this all the time wirh our platform services | 14:45 |
| rm_work | right, so we just need a tenant with a couple specific keystone roles, and marked as "admin" (whatever that means exactly to Keystone, i'm still not 100% clear) | 14:46 |
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| xgerman | well, name, pwd, etc. should all be configurable | 14:46 |
| sballe | rm_work, yeah and we migth not even need admin privs. | 14:46 |
| rm_work | So, I think this needs to be owned by Neutron, not Neutron-Lbaas, since the code that uses it will be in /common/ | 14:46 |
| sballe | it will depend on whta we need to do | 14:46 |
| rm_work | well, I am currently very concerned with security on this, and I am going to need to discuss with Barbican about how we'll do this | 14:47 |
| blogan | rm_work really just needs to know if neutron alreayd has one set up for this or if one will have to be created | 14:47 |
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| dougwig | maybe an ML query on how other projects have done this? | 14:47 |
| sballe | blogan, can you elaborate? | 14:48 |
| blogan | markmcclain: does neutron use service accounts to communicate with other openstack projects? | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Could ask on the ML to see if anyone there knows the "OpenStack" way of doing this. | 14:48 |
| xgerman | mestery? | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Jinx | 14:48 |
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| sballe | blogan, I am not sure what yu are asking about? | 14:48 |
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| dougwig | blogan: it does, for nova. | 14:49 |
| dougwig | i think you put endpoint/user/pass into neutron.conf | 14:49 |
| rm_work | ok | 14:49 |
| xgerman | ok, then use that one? | 14:49 |
| blogan | sballe: if neutron already has a service account set up that can talk to barbican, really | 14:49 |
| rm_work | so we could hook into that | 14:49 |
| a2hill | Yea, we do store other 'secure' info in the configs | 14:49 |
| sballe | we need to check this | 14:49 |
| blogan | xgerman: maybe but not sure if it also can talk to barbican | 14:49 |
| a2hill | not sure why this would be much different | 14:49 |
| blogan | will require some testing for sure | 14:49 |
| dougwig | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/bvLCzij1 | 14:49 |
| markmcclain | blogan: yes a service account in the recommended way to deploy | 14:49 |
| rm_work | I mean, if it's a keystone tenant, then it's just a role issue | 14:50 |
| sballe | rm_work, That's what I am getting at... It all depend on wht we want to do | 14:50 |
| blogan | markmcclain: so if we need to retrieve keys from barbican, is there already a service account we can use? | 14:50 |
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| blogan | markmcclain: or is that something a deployer does themselves and puts in the config? | 14:50 |
| markmcclain | yes.. there should be credentials that we use for hte Nova callback | 14:51 |
| rm_work | though I am still thinking maybe we want to hijack the user's token to set up the original trust -- just because maybe allowing the service-account access to literally anyone's data in Barbican is a little scary | 14:51 |
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| rm_work | I may be getting into the weeds here, but I would like people to have some idea what's going to be happening in the background with regard to this | 14:51 |
| rm_work | so if there are concerns with the security of the whole thing, they can be voiced | 14:52 |
| sbalukoff | It sounds like storing credentials in a config file is no worse than current practice. | 14:52 |
| rm_work | and people with more security experience than myself can chime in :) | 14:52 |
| sballe | rm_work, there is something in keysone called Trusts maybe taht would be useful. It allows a service to do somethign as a user | 14:52 |
| markmcclain | rm_work: I agree wanting to limit trust | 14:52 |
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| markmcclain | so you could reuse the current context | 14:52 |
| rm_work | sballe: right, the plan is that we set up a trust between our service account to the user | 14:52 |
| rm_work | but allowing the service-account to actually set up a trust with any user is a bit risky | 14:52 |
| markmcclain | but we'll need to be careful that something else in the callstack has not elevated the privileges | 14:53 |
| rm_work | rather, maybe would be good to as markmcclain is saying, re-use the user's original context to initiate the trust the first time | 14:53 |
| rm_work | then rely on the trust from then on | 14:53 |
| blogan | doesn't this have implications for octavia too? | 14:53 |
| sballe | agreed | 14:53 |
| rm_work | blogan: yes | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Yes. | 14:53 |
| sbalukoff | Same problem, really. | 14:53 |
| dougwig | what about later, when you need to do maintenance on the LB, and need to re-fetch the cert. user context will be gone. | 14:53 |
| rm_work | dougwig: but at that point the Trust will be set | 14:54 |
| rm_work | so the service account has access to the user's Barbican data | 14:54 |
| dougwig | ahh, i see. do trust's exist in keystone yet? | 14:54 |
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| dougwig | (or are they at the barbican level?) | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | Well, again, there is also the problem of the ticking-time-bomb if the user nukes his barbican data and Octavia / LBaaS needs to access it afterward. | 14:54 |
| rm_work | dougwig: yes | 14:55 |
| rm_work | dougwig: they are in keystone now | 14:55 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff: at some point we can't protect them :/ | 14:55 |
| sballe | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Keystone/Trusts | 14:55 |
| xgerman | sbalukoff, let's not open that can of worms | 14:55 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: if they go in and remove our trust... tough :/ | 14:55 |
| dougwig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Keystone/Trusts | 14:55 |
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| sbalukoff | We already discussed this, and I think the solution was to have Octavia store its own copy of the secrets. | 14:55 |
| sbalukoff | :/ | 14:55 |
| sbalukoff | That's where I recall the discussion went last time. | 14:55 |
| dougwig | not octavia, just haproxy. | 14:56 |
| dougwig | but heck, i don't remember the final resolution. | 14:56 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: right, for Octavia that's the case | 14:56 |
| rm_work | not for Neutron-Lbaas | 14:56 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Right. Because vendors keep their own copy of the secrets anyway. | 14:56 |
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| rm_work | *Octavia* would copy the keys into its own Barbican store | 14:56 |
| sbalukoff | Yep. | 14:56 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:56 |
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| rm_work | but for Neutron-Lbaas, we're relying on the original | 14:56 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: True. | 14:56 |
| rm_work | thus Consumer Registrartion | 14:56 |
| rm_work | *Registration | 14:57 |
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| rm_work | anyway, I'll work up an email with a better overview and maybe some pictures / diagrams :P | 14:57 |
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| rm_work | since we are just about out of time | 14:57 |
| sbalukoff | Fancy! | 14:57 |
| xgerman | rm_work +1 | 14:57 |
| sballe | +1 | 14:57 |
| dougwig | #action rm_work send writeup on barbican/trust stuff to ML | 14:58 |
| dougwig | #topic Open discussion | 14:58 |
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| rm_work | open discussion for 2 minutes GO | 14:58 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok, going back to bed for a half hour. See you at 10:30, sballe! | 14:58 |
| rm_work | hah sbalukoff | 14:58 |
| blogan | enjoy | 14:58 |
| sballe | sbalukoff, Perfect. | 14:58 |
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| rm_work | that's a great plan, too bad i have sprint planning <_< | 14:58 |
| dougwig | rm_work: in your writeup, remember that we need to call out to barbican for every SSL negotiation. people loved that. | 14:58 |
| jorgem | see you guys | 14:58 |
| sballe | bye | 14:59 |
| jorgem | got a meeting to attend | 14:59 |
| xgerman | bye | 14:59 |
| dougwig | jk | 14:59 |
| dougwig | later | 14:59 |
| rm_work | dougwig: hahahaha no. | 14:59 |
| rm_work | T_T | 14:59 |
| rm_work | I remember that though >_< | 14:59 |
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| rm_work | \o | 14:59 |
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| dougwig | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 14:59:42 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-09-04-14.02.html | 14:59 |
| TrevorV | o/ | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-09-04-14.02.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-09-04-14.02.log.html | 14:59 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 15:00:41 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| nsaje | o/ | 15:00 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| fabiog_ | o/ | 15:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:00 |
| eglynn | hey folks! | 15:01 |
| eglynn | #topic Juno-3 status and FFEs | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-3 | 15:01 |
| eglynn | so kudos to everyone who got their patches landed | 15:01 |
| eglynn | the gate rush was pretty extreme this time round | 15:01 |
| nealph_ | o/ | 15:02 |
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| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, as usual.. | 15:02 |
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| DinaBelova | _nadya_, good evening :) | 15:02 |
| eglynn | that effectively pushing the de facto milestone deadline a day or two earlier | 15:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
| ddieterly | o/ | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | so I discussed FFEs with our release manager earlier | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | here's the gist of what we agreed ... | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | nealph_: paas-event-format-for-ceilometer gets a pass by default as it documentation only | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | nealph_: do you feel this can be closed out and landed by next week? | 15:04 |
| nealph_ | eglynn: new patches up this morning (US) | 15:04 |
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| nealph_ | so, yes. | 15:04 |
| nealph_ | Barring any resistence from the PaaS service folks. | 15:05 |
| eglynn | nealph_: cool, let's try to get that landed by early/mid- next week so | 15:05 |
| nealph_ | eglynn: will do! | 15:05 |
| eglynn | nealph_: thanks! | 15:06 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:06 |
| eglynn | moving onto the next FFE | 15:06 |
| eglynn | gordc's bigger-data-sql has been granted one week of grace-time to reconcile the different performance test results seen on different mysql versions etc | 15:06 |
| eglynn | ... and to combine patches to minimize migrations etc. | 15:06 |
| eglynn | gordc: does that sounds sufficient? | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn: cool. i'll keep an eye on it. | 15:07 |
| gordc | eglynn: just hoping gate holds up | 15:07 |
| eglynn | gordc: (context is there was resistence to granting a longer extension given the possiblity for introducing regressions) | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yeah I hope that the gate latency will go down a lot, now that we're over the juno-3 hump | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | gordc: presumably we're including in the sql-a ORM->core switch as well as the schema changes in that BP? | 15:08 |
| gordc | eglynn: i think it might help given ilya's results... | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | yeah, the test results reported by DinaBelova and Ilya do sound promising | 15:09 |
| gordc | eglynn: we can re-evaluate if necessary... ie. worse case is a 10% performance bump | 15:09 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, eglynn - yeah - Ilya had to go afk right now | 15:10 |
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| DinaBelova | but he started mysql upgrade | 15:10 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | on the nodes of the lab | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | so he'll continue the tests | 15:10 |
| eglynn | so this one is extra important because it's on the TC radar | 15:10 |
| eglynn | (via the gapa analysis) | 15:10 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, yes, we keeep track on this for sure | 15:11 |
| eglynn | so bigger-data-sql is definitely the highest priority RC1 task for the team | 15:11 |
| eglynn | cool, thanks! | 15:11 |
| eglynn | k, moving on to the last FFE | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | dunno if Edwin is around, but his impi-support BP will also get a week or so in grace-time | 15:12 |
| llu-laptop | Edwin is not here, but I can pass the info to him tomorrow | 15:12 |
| eglynn | so we can sort out the issues around aggregation of sensor-specific and system-wide aggregated data | 15:13 |
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| llu-laptop | I saw he just posted all the patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/ceilometer+topic:bp/ipmi-support,n,z | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | and also get clarity on the behavior on non-Intel/nodemanager hosts | 15:13 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: cool, thanks! | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: BTW do you know Edwin's IRC nick? ... I don't think I've seen him on the channel | 15:14 |
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| llu-laptop | sorry, don't know either :) | 15:15 |
| eglynn | k | 15:15 |
| llu-laptop | i'll ask him tomorrow | 15:15 |
| eglynn | cool, thanks! | 15:15 |
| gordc | eglynn: i've just been emailing.. been pretty responsive (aside from time zone diff) | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | gordc: yeah +1, I've done the same | 15:15 |
| eglynn | other than that, we still have a lot of bugs on the RC1 slate | 15:16 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | so I'll need to cull that bug list early next week to remove anything that isn't getting review traction | 15:16 |
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| eglynn | anything else on juno-3? | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, about "Central agent pollsters not using discovery mechanism" bug | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | I took a look on the final version this morning | 15:17 |
| llu-laptop | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1364352 | 15:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1364352 in ceilometer "Central agent pollsters not using discovery mechanism" [High,In progress] | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | ir seems to work okay with multinode devstack, multiple central agents, etc | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | so /me hopes to see it soon in the repo : | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:18 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool, good to have that confirmation | 15:18 |
| eglynn | it's missed juno-3 at this stage obviously, but definitely need to land it for RC1 | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | yeah, for sure | 15:19 |
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| gordc | testing it now myself | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | hehe, i see -1 by fabiog_ :) | 15:19 |
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| DinaBelova | well, anyway, this change is quite important :) | 15:20 |
| eglynn | absolutely, agreed | 15:20 |
| eglynn | but we've a bit of time before RC1 for objections such as fabiog_'s to be aired and addressed | 15:20 |
| eglynn | shall we move on? | 15:21 |
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| gordc | i'm digging into a ceilometerclient bug as well... see any tempest ceilometer-alarm-evaluator log | 15:21 |
| gordc | http://logs.openstack.org/53/96653/9/check/check-tempest-dsvm-full/d8edccb/logs/screen-ceilometer-alarm-evaluator.txt.gz?level=TRACE | 15:21 |
| gordc | if someone knows ceilometerclient really well, feel free to take this over from me. | 15:21 |
| eglynn | gordc: yeah, I saw that mentioned on IRC last night, didn't get a chance to look | 15:22 |
| eglynn | gordc: do you have a sense of where the problem lies? | 15:22 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah. i can't see it locally so i'm sort of blindly patching right now | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, frankly speaking this does not look like ceilo client error for me >_< | 15:22 |
| gordc | eglynn: i think it's how we're using keystone discovery... i noticed there's a fallback action the other clients use so i just ported taht over | 15:23 |
| gordc | i'm not exactly sure if it fixes this case specifically tough | 15:23 |
| gordc | though* | 15:23 |
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| gordc | i'll keep digging for now | 15:24 |
| eglynn | hmmm, that log signature rings a bell, I think ildikov saw a similar issue | 15:24 |
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| eglynn | gordc: IIRC she solved it simply by switching the port numbers | 15:24 |
| cdent | gordc: if you don't make any headway on that today and want to punt it to me I can pick it up tomorrow and after. | 15:25 |
| eglynn | i.e. s/35357/5000/ | 15:25 |
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| cdent | eglynn: I recall that but wasn't there some debate about the correctness of doing so? | 15:25 |
| gordc | eglynn: yeah... could be a devstack patch as well... just wanted to bring up it's broken. :) | 15:25 |
| eglynn | cdent: yeah, I don't recall all the details TBH, discussed about a month ago on IRC | 15:26 |
| gordc | visibly broken | 15:26 |
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| gordc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-ceilometerclient/+bug/1351841 | 15:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1351841 in python-ceilometerclient "python-ceilometerclient does not works without v3 keystone endpoint" [High,Triaged] | 15:26 |
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| gordc | eglynn: that's probably the bug ildiko was looking at. | 15:26 |
| eglynn | gordc: k, that's definitely high priority so we'll need to line up a python-ceilometerclient release with the final juno tag | 15:27 |
| eglynn | ... I'll follow up with ildikov when she gets back from her work trip | 15:27 |
| eglynn | k, moving on ... | 15:28 |
| eglynn | #topic Proposed design summit changes | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | just a heads up on a few summit changes that being discussed currently | 15:29 |
| eglynn | first, a move towards more open/collaborative scheduling of the design session tracks | 15:29 |
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| eglynn | avoiding using the webapp for proposals, instead just using etherpads etc. to agree the content of the tracks | 15:30 |
| eglynn | doesn't sound a million miles from the way we did this for the Juno track | 15:30 |
| eglynn | except with s/etherpad/googledoc/ in that case | 15:31 |
| eglynn | any opinions on how folks would like to approach that? | 15:31 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: would you create a kilo or summit folder in ceilometer specs too? | 15:32 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: yep, good point | 15:32 |
| fabiog_ | so people can start populate with potential ideas | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog_, good point, yeah | 15:32 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: I'll create a kilo directory and any outstanding BP proposals can be rebased onto that | 15:32 |
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| fabiog_ | eglynn: thanks that helps a lot | 15:33 |
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| fabiog_ | are we still have the group table with whiteboard? | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | fabiog_, do you mean project pods? | 15:33 |
| eglynn | just one thing to note though about ceilo-specs, some of the other projects are -2'ing all kilo BP proposal to avoid distracting reviewers from juno-3 and RC1 | 15:33 |
| fabiog_ | DinaBelova: yes, I didn't remember the name | 15:34 |
| eglynn | personally I think that's a bit OTT | 15:34 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: did you see that design summit reloaded thread on the ML? | 15:34 |
| eglynn | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044169.html | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, ++ - that's weird a while - especially keeping in mind the fact we ahave not so mane specs | 15:34 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: I will give it a look and shut up ;-) | 15:35 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: that was the other summit change I wanted to discuss ... | 15:35 |
| eglynn | TL;DR: keep Friday for contributor meetups in a format similar to the project pods in ATL | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | fabiog_: TBH I'm not sure why we don't just do the project pods in the same way again as ATL, as it would avoid losing 33% of the design session slots | 15:36 |
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| fabiog_ | eglynn: I guess there is not enough space like in Atlanta | 15:37 |
| fabiog_ | I guess price per sqft in Paris is higher than in Atlanta ;-) | 15:37 |
| eglynn | fabiog_: yeah that could be it ... in any case, I raised that idea here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044914.html | 15:37 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: do you think we can ask Hyatt to set-up pods for the different projects? | 15:38 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: being one of the conference hotels, they may agree on that, just a thought | 15:39 |
| eglynn | a-ha, k, yeah ... though it would obviously add to the cost | 15:39 |
| eglynn | ... I'll ask though to get some clarity, as I think the pod was really useful last time round | 15:39 |
| fabiog_ | eglynn: maybe not, we are closing the hotel anyway for Openstack ;-) | 15:40 |
| * gordc thought pod was useful as well. | 15:41 | |
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| eglynn | cool, moving on ... | 15:42 |
| eglynn | #topic Tempest | 15:42 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: I saw your patch to unskip that nova notification test | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, as for the Tempest - here it is tests unskip https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115212/ | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | yeah :D | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | and Matthew said he'll add his +2 after gate will feel better | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | so I just need finally to find Sean | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | he's kind of ghost :) | 15:43 |
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| gordc | DinaBelova: we can probably leave it for now and bring it up when gate calms. | 15:44 |
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| DinaBelova | gordc, yeah, for sure | 15:44 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool, sounds reasonable | 15:44 |
| eglynn | cdent has a special kind of skill in shaking +2s out of Sean ;) | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | so after it'll be merged, it'll be possible to remove -2s from other tetss | 15:44 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn :D | 15:44 |
| cdent | It's bizarre but useful. | 15:44 |
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| DinaBelova | cdent, quite agree here :) | 15:45 |
| gordc | cdent: lol | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, do you have talent to remove -2's from Sean? | 15:45 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: "remove -2s from other tests" ... that's the other stalled notification tests? | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn. yeah | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | not for nova, but for other services | 15:45 |
| cdent | I haven't yet had the opportunity | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | cdent, you'll have one ;) | 15:45 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ... that would be great! | 15:45 |
| DinaBelova | I promise | 15:45 |
| cdent | I'm guess the skill comes from the fact that I have more commits on devstack, grenade and tempest than I do on ceilo | 15:46 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, I really hope to remove these -2s.... | 15:46 |
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| DinaBelova | cdent, yeah, I guess so | 15:46 |
| * eglynn thinking again about the TC gap analysis, it would be good to able to declare victory on the tempest task as it's very nearly over the line | 15:46 | |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn - indeed, especially keeping in mind the fact, that now all the jobs are feeling ok for notification tests | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | on any backend we have job now | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | both on Mongo and MySQL | 15:47 |
| DinaBelova | so my mongo experimental jobs are just ok for the notifications, although MySQL feels okay as well now | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | gordc and I decided it was kind of temporary issue | 15:48 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: cool ... BTW I've curated the gap analysis wiki a bit but feel free to fix anything I've mispresented | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | with the gate itself | 15:48 |
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| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Ceilometer_Gap_Coverage | 15:48 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, ok, I'll take a look, thanks | 15:48 |
| eglynn | anything else relevant to Tempest? | 15:49 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, I guess no | 15:49 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:49 |
| eglynn | BTW TSDaaS/gnocchi status punted to the next meeting as jd__ is on vacation | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | #topic open discussion | 15:50 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: when do you estimate the "juno3 busy" gate queue be ready for accepting patches for RC1? I saw ceilometer rc3 tarball is already cut? | 15:50 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: yep, juno-3 is tagged and bagged :) | 15:52 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: but I think we can start accepting RC1-oriented patches onto master right away | 15:52 |
| eglynn | llu-laptop: IIUC then these must be backported to milestone-proposed in order to get into RC1 | 15:52 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: ... so it's the backport, not the landing on master, that represents the acceptance into the RC | 15:53 |
| eglynn | ... at least that was the way we did for past releases | 15:53 |
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| llu-laptop | eglynn: got that | 15:54 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:54 |
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| eglynn | llu-laptop: actually I tell a lie ... the branch has changed a little for juno | 15:56 |
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| eglynn | IIRC, it'll be the "proposed/juno" branch you backport to | 15:56 |
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| eglynn | not "milestone-proposed" | 15:56 |
| eglynn | the old "milestone-proposed" branch naming has been dropped because we've stopped backporting in the pre-milestone 1-2 day period, as we did before Juno | 15:57 |
| eglynn | k, we're up against the shot-clock as per usual ... | 15:57 |
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| eglynn | thanks all for a productive meeting! | 15:58 |
| nsaje | \o | 15:58 |
| DinaBelova | bye! | 15:58 |
| fabiog_ | bye | 15:58 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 15:58:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-09-04-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-09-04-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-09-04-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| sgordon_ | \o/ | 16:00 |
| sgordon_ | #startmeeting nfv | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 16:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sgordon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| bauzas | ohai - aloha - morning - bonjour - guten tag - \o | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nfv' | 16:00 |
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| sgordon_ | !topic roll call | 16:00 |
| openstack | sgordon_: Error: "topic" is not a valid command. | 16:00 |
| sgordon_ | #topic roll call | 16:00 |
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| sgordon_ | whoops :) | 16:00 |
| bauzas | ohai - aloha - morning - bonjour - guten tag - \o | 16:01 |
| sgordon_ | who is here for the nfv meeting? | 16:01 |
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| cloudon | hi | 16:01 |
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| sgordon_ | expecting to be short/quick today as i expect a lot of people are dealing with feature freeze related work | 16:01 |
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| lukego | Howdy | 16:01 |
| sgordon_ | hi luke | 16:01 |
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| sgordon_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nfv-meeting-agenda | 16:02 |
| sgordon_ | #topic review action items | 16:02 |
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| sgordon_ | so russell scored two action items last week | 16:02 |
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| sgordon_ | one on clarification of FeatureProposalFreeze wiki, which i am unclear on - possibly still outstanding | 16:02 |
| sgordon_ | the other was related to the NUMA I/O scheduling | 16:02 |
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| sgordon_ | now as ndipanov appears to be requesting an FFE for the base NUMA work | 16:03 |
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| sgordon_ | i am not sure where this one stands, maybe jchapman can update | 16:03 |
| danpb | FYI on NUMA FFE | 16:03 |
| jchapman | sgordon, he | 16:03 |
| jchapman | hi | 16:03 |
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| danpb | it has sufficient core sponsors but the questions are around testing | 16:03 |
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| danpb | i think it would be helpful if anyone were able to step forward and publically say they are going to test this before release | 16:03 |
| sgordon_ | #info Base NUMA functionality will require an FFE, has sponsors but needs testing commitment | 16:04 |
| danpb | (say it in response to the email requesting NUMA FFE ) | 16:04 |
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| sgordon_ | right | 16:04 |
| danpb | the pushback we're seeing against NUMA is all related to level of testing | 16:04 |
| danpb | so anything to mitigate that is useful | 16:05 |
| sgordon_ | #info need a lucky volunteer to test NUMA functionality before release | 16:05 |
| adrian-hoban | danpb: We will test the NUMA functionality | 16:05 |
| danpb | oh and they need to say this on the mail within the next 24 hrs | 16:05 |
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| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044878.html | 16:05 |
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| sgordon_ | and specifically: | 16:06 |
| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044906.html | 16:06 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, indeed - i think the key is to have a documented commitment on list as to how this will happen | 16:06 |
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| adrian-hoban | danpb: sgordon: We will reply to the mail saying what we intend to test | 16:07 |
| sgordon_ | anyone else with a particular interest in this feature that would be interested would be welcome as well | 16:07 |
| danpb | adrian-hoban: thanks | 16:07 |
| sgordon_ | e.g. providers etc. | 16:07 |
| sgordon_ | we kind of skipped right into this | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | but | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | #topic juno status | 16:08 |
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| sgordon_ | obviously we have hit feature freeze, i have seen the NUMA FFE request we just discussed | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | looks like one was also just filed for SR-IOV | 16:08 |
| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044923.html | 16:08 |
| danpb | yes, SR-IOV FFE got a positive reception in nova meeting too | 16:09 |
| sgordon_ | #info SR-IOV FFE proposed and received positive reception in nova meeting | 16:09 |
| nidpanov | here now too | 16:09 |
| sgordon_ | #info two cores so far signed up for SR-IOV FFE | 16:09 |
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| adrian-hoban | That's good news | 16:10 |
| sgordon_ | so, those are the two ones i can see already related to work this group has been tracking | 16:10 |
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| sgordon_ | does anyone from this group have plans to submit additional FFE requests? | 16:10 |
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| nidpanov | danpb, sorry to go back - missed your comment about numa testing - so the issues were mostly due to me mentioning it in the email, and HP already kind of signed up to test it as well iiuc | 16:10 |
| sgordon_ | nidpanov, i think it is probably necessary to confirm with Paul that was the intent of his email | 16:11 |
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| jchapman | we are not lookign for FFE for I/O (PCIe) Based NUMA Schedulin :( | 16:11 |
| sgordon_ | it seemed somewhat unclear to me | 16:11 |
| nidpanov | sgordon_, hence my response | 16:11 |
| sgordon_ | ack | 16:11 |
| sgordon_ | jchapman, understoof | 16:12 |
| nidpanov | jchapman, is that because of the NUMA delay or? | 16:12 |
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| jchapman | nidpanov, that and no core dev reviews | 16:12 |
| nidpanov | jchapman, :( | 16:12 |
| nidpanov | I had my hands full | 16:12 |
| sgordon_ | #info I/OC (PCIe) Based Numa Scheduling FFE not being requested due to issues with base NUMA functionality and lack of interested core sponsors | 16:12 |
| jchapman | nidpanov, ye i guessed you guys were busy | 16:13 |
| danpb | realistically the only stuff that's going to get approved FFE is stuff that already had a +A and was in the gate at time of freeze | 16:13 |
| nidpanov | if that | 16:13 |
| cloudon | lukego, is your accel data plane stuff going to make it? | 16:13 |
| sgordon_ | yeah understood | 16:13 |
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| danpb | so yeah, i'm afraid I/O PCI numa scheduling would loose on that count even if proposed | 16:13 |
| adrian-hoban | The I/O Numa scheduling will be re-targeted at Kilo now | 16:13 |
| sgordon_ | yes | 16:13 |
| jchapman | yep | 16:13 |
| lukego | cloudon: ‘fraid not. Neutron core asked me to develop it more out of tree first, and then Nova wouldn’t take the VIF until Neutron code is accepted. | 16:14 |
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| sgordon_ | hopefully the desire to come up with a way to preload designs for summit will go somewhere useful... | 16:14 |
| lukego | cloudon: at least within this NFV group those of us interested in userspace virtio-net seem to be on the same page and on track to share code going forward, which I think is the most important thing | 16:14 |
| cloudon | lukego: shame - are you hopeful for Kilo? | 16:14 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: yeah, at least we need to see what will be the new format for the Design Summit | 16:15 |
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| sgordon_ | soooo | 16:15 |
| sgordon_ | one other thing i wanted to quickly mention | 16:15 |
| sgordon_ | #topic other discussion | 16:16 |
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| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044614.html | 16:16 |
| lukego | cloudon: I am hopeful but it does depend on the success of initiatives in Neutron and Nova to accommodate more drivers/features | 16:16 |
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| cloudon | lukego: understand - good luck | 16:16 |
| sgordon_ | itai put together a very well thought out email on some of our current issues and attempting to frame discussion about where we go from here | 16:16 |
| lukego | cloudon: on the list we also discuss the possibility of sharing a mech driver instead of having a separate snabb vs. ovdk vs. etc ones, which I suspect would resolve the Neutron core concerns (which are roughly “too many drivers”) | 16:16 |
| sgordon_ | i havent had a chance to fully consider and respond yet but i would encourage others to also review | 16:16 |
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| cloudon | sgordon: +1 - on first read looked very sensible | 16:17 |
| adrian-hoban | +1 on that note. Nicely written Itai | 16:18 |
| sgordon_ | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss this week? i would probably prefer to close down asap and let those dealing with FFE items get back to it | 16:19 |
| adrian-hoban | Itai: One thing to consider is the focus on the wiki... I think we need to broaden horizons in getting the info you suggest out to the community. | 16:19 |
| sgordon_ | and discuss some of the medium to long term issues/goals starting next week | 16:19 |
| sgordon_ | incl. kilo planning | 16:19 |
| sgordon_ | even the wiki needs to be broken up and organized a little imo | 16:19 |
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| cloudon | sgordon: quick question on Paris summit - see you +adrian-hoban are giving a telco strategies track talk on this group - congrats on getting selected & what's your plan/do you need further stuff from this group? | 16:20 |
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| sgordon_ | cloudon, good question - we're not really sure yet :) | 16:20 |
| sgordon_ | cloudon, the idea we had discussed was to try and present some use cases, what's there today, and more importantly what's not | 16:21 |
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| cloudon | sgordon: lucky you have two months then :) | 16:21 |
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| sgordon_ | but we will be trying to flesh out further | 16:21 |
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| sgordon_ | obviously wrt juno we made some progress but not as much as we would like | 16:21 |
| sgordon_ | which is obviously not ideal but also provides us with some good examples of solid proposals that exist but ultimately did not get implemented | 16:22 |
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| cloudon | sgordon: cool - if you want any help on use cases etc. am happy to assist | 16:23 |
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| adrian-hoban | cloudon: Thanks! Also, alank co-presenting too. | 16:24 |
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| bauzas | sgordon_: do you think we should try to promote NFV work to developers too ? | 16:26 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, of course - but that is a challenging thing | 16:26 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: I'm also concerned about the coding and reviewing bandwidth | 16:26 |
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| sgordon_ | bauzas, design summit proposals need to be framed around specific goals | 16:26 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, yes - in the context of nova i expect that to be a hot topic in general | 16:26 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, not an nfv specific issue | 16:26 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: lemme check if it's in the nova priorities for the summit | 16:27 |
| sgordon_ | (contributors interested in nfv need to contribute to this discussion to help the project move forward though or we're all in the log jam togetjer) | 16:27 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: there is an etherpad and I don't remember having seen the NFV stuff to be debated | 16:27 |
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| bauzas | there | 16:28 |
| bauzas | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-topics Proposals for Nova Kilo Summit | 16:28 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: can't see NFV in there ^ | 16:28 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, this is the thing though | 16:28 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, proposing "let's talk about nfv" in there will get nacked | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | bauzas, needs to be about specific issues or proposals | 16:29 |
| bauzas | I don't know for Neutron but I assume there will be the same etherpad | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | so for instance wrt ci | 16:29 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: indeed | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | newer libvirt versions is probably relevant for nfv | 16:29 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: but can't see a related topic to that either | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | (esp since some of the nfv features are now getting push back on testing) | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | related to what? | 16:29 |
| bauzas | related to the nfv usecases | 16:29 |
| sgordon_ | scheduler split in there is another one | 16:30 |
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| sgordon_ | bauzas, so the backstory here is there were several such proposals for atlanta | 16:30 |
| sgordon_ | all were rejected with clear guidance that sessions need to have a very specific goals/proposals | 16:30 |
| bauzas | got it | 16:31 |
| adrian-hoban | resource tracker seems to be covered | 16:31 |
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| sgordon_ | getting time allocated generically to NFV in the track will be very difficult, similar for HPC or other user story type things | 16:31 |
| bauzas | I just want to make sure that the next Juno developments will be covered and agreed there :) | 16:31 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, right | 16:31 |
| sgordon_ | key is to focus on what we specifically want to achieve for kilo | 16:31 |
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| sgordon_ | and ensure where necessary that is covered in there | 16:32 |
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| sgordon_ | the scheduler / RT / ERT discussion is a great example | 16:32 |
| danpb | also note that if you propose a topic for a session | 16:32 |
| bauzas | +1 - and I just add: make sure it's covered in the design talks | 16:32 |
| adrian-hoban | Is there a deadline on getting items into the lists? | 16:32 |
| sgordon_ | as a lot of features are running into issues on that front | 16:32 |
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| danpb | it will be expected that the topic has already had a spec proposed or some other detailed discussions or write up | 16:32 |
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| danpb | they're very unlikely to approve sessions for topics where this is the first time anyone has heard of the topic | 16:32 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: the scheduler/RT thing will probably be highly debated, don't know if we will have time to cover extra things in there | 16:33 |
| bauzas | danpb: +1 | 16:33 |
| adrian-hoban | danpb: Ok, but is there an order in which things need to happen? E.g. add to the list, release bp? | 16:33 |
| danpb | the goal is that the sessions will focus on resolving actual problems that need f2f time | 16:33 |
| danpb | rather than just presenting new ideas | 16:33 |
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| danpb | also i hope there will be more unscheduled time for ad-hoc discussions which will be an avenue to bring up any other items which are relevant | 16:34 |
| adrian-hoban | danpb: Is this a living doc for the next few weeks? Perhaps up until the bp submission window closes? | 16:35 |
| sgordon_ | adrian-hoban, let me see if i can find mikal's email | 16:35 |
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| sgordon_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044196.html | 16:36 |
| sgordon_ | no date afaict | 16:36 |
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| sgordon_ | let me bump the thread now and ask that question... | 16:37 |
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| adrian-hoban | sgordon: Thx | 16:37 |
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| sgordon_ | im going to close up the meeting for now | 16:38 |
| sgordon_ | thanks all for the discussion | 16:38 |
| sgordon_ | let's see what michael says wrt that list and when it is going to be finalized | 16:39 |
| bauzas | sgordon_: thanks | 16:39 |
| sgordon_ | i expect it will be a while yet while the dust settles on j-3 and the first RCs but we will see | 16:39 |
| sgordon_ | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:39 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 16:39:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-04-16.00.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-04-16.00.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nfv/2014/nfv.2014-09-04-16.00.log.html | 16:39 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Sep 4 22:00:36 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
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| mtreinish | hi who is here today? | 22:00 |
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| dkranz | here | 22:01 |
| gmann | hi | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_September_4th_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| dpaterson | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
| masayukig | hi | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | let's get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Summit Session Topics (mtreinish) | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-qa-summit-topics | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | so I started an etherpad to have some initial early discussion around summit topics we want to have | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | I figured considering the discussion around the new format for design summit it will be better to start this earlier | 22:03 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: I just added one | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | I plan to push it out to the ML after the meeting | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | but I figured I'd bring it up here first | 22:03 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Can you summarize the end result of that email thread about summit changes? | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, that kind of overlaps with the tempest scope one :) | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: sure, basically it's looking like one day will be all cross-project | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | 2 days will will be the traditional design summit format (with may some more scheduling flexibility) | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | and the last day will be each program get's an open day | 22:04 |
| dkranz | Not sure what that means | 22:05 |
| dkranz | For the group to gather and discuss whatever needs to be discussed? | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: kind of like a mini midcycle the each program will get a room and make their own plan and topic | 22:05 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: RIght | 22:05 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We used to do that by having mini-qa meetings outside the program | 22:06 |
| dkranz | But this will be better | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | nothing is definite yet, ttx still needs to confirm we'll have space to do this and everything | 22:06 |
| dkranz | ok, cool | 22:06 |
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| mtreinish | but assuming this is the plan I think planning earlier is better, because it means we'll have less slots for the traditional design summit | 22:06 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: right. THe one I put is actually better in a cross-project slot if there is one | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah that was on my list for the cross project track too | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have anything else to bring up on this topic? | 22:07 |
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| gmann | looks good | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | ok, lets move on then | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | so I don't think we've seen much motion on specs lately | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | but I know andreaf has 2 he wanted me to bring up here | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/118352 | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/94741 | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | the first one is something we really need to do soon | 22:09 |
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| mtreinish | right now we can't make forward progress on test-accounts because on a skip exception or failure we leak creds in many classes | 22:10 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I had not seen this. Will look first thing tomorrow. | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah he put it up this week | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | and the second one is the long standing ssh auth one | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | which I think warrants a review, because the ssh code has been a continual issue | 22:11 |
| dkranz | ok | 22:11 |
| masayukig | I'll have a look it later too. | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | ok cool thanks | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone else have an open spec review they'd like to bring up? | 22:12 |
| dkranz | no | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other spec reviews I guess we should move on :) | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/juno | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | so today was j-3 so I still need to go through and clean up the statuses for the open bps | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | basically pushing back most of them | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | but are there any status updates from people on open bps | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | looking at the high prio ones that are open | 22:15 |
| masayukig | about tempest-client-scenarios | 22:15 |
| masayukig | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-client-scenarios | 22:15 |
| masayukig | Total: 18 test files (MERGED:9, SUBMITTED:7, NOT YET:2) | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: nice, we're making good progress there | 22:15 |
| masayukig | almost there. | 22:15 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I have two patches up for the move-checking-to-client bp that could use reviews. | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | masayukig: I assume one of those not yet is baremetal? | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | I think adam_g said he was going to look at that | 22:16 |
| masayukig | actually, not. | 22:16 |
| dkranz | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/client-checks-success,n,z | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | oh, cool | 22:16 |
| masayukig | heat and stamp_pattern things. | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: ah ok, the stamp pattern has been skipped for a long time | 22:17 |
| masayukig | yeah. | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | I told andreaf the other day we should just have a WIP patch on top of the conversion which unskips it to test if it works | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | because it's unreliable at gate loads but should work for a one off run | 22:17 |
| masayukig | agree | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: do you want to take a look at doing the client migration for the heat scenario test? | 22:18 |
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| mlavalle | masayukig: the one I'm working on, load balancer, is wip | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: ok, I'll take a look. Those are normally pretty easy to review | 22:18 |
| masayukig | mlavalle: yeah, thanks. I know that. | 22:18 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: yeah, long but easy. The current ones are not so long actually. | 22:19 |
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| stevebaker | mtreinish: I've just posted a reply to the heat integration tests thread, depending on the outcome of that the heat scenario tests might be deleted | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | stevebaker: this is just migrating the existing autoscaling test to use the tempest client instead of python-heatclient | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | oh, nm I misread | 22:20 |
| stevebaker | the autoscaling test is skipped currently I think | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | I thought it was skipped on the regular jobs, but runs on the heat-slow jobs | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | but I haven't looked recently | 22:21 |
| masayukig | stevebaker: yeah, that's right. @test.skip_because(bug="1257575") | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | stevebaker: nope you're right | 22:21 |
| stevebaker | I had an abandoned review which fixed and unskipped it | 22:21 |
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| mtreinish | anyway we can discuss this more outside the meeting | 22:22 |
| stevebaker | yep | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | looking at the other 3 high prio bps | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | I think api-schema-unification is finished | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | but I'll check with mkoderer_ before I close it | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | sdague, jogo: are there any updates on the status of javelin2? | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: how about branchless-tempest-extensions ? I saw patches on that before | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | but I haven't had a chance to look at them yet | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | ok, well I'll check on those after the meeting... | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have an open bp to discuss? | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | otherwise we'll move on | 22:26 |
| jogo | mtreinish: javelin2 is moving along there are some missing logs at the moment but an infra patch should fix that | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | jogo: ok cool, at what point do you think we can mark the bp as closed? | 22:27 |
| jogo | mtreinish: I haven't seen the BP at all so not sure | 22:27 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: well its working and does more then old javelin did | 22:27 |
| mtreinish | jogo: https://github.com/openstack/qa-specs/blob/master/specs/javelin2.rst | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | but that's fine we can look into outside of the meeting | 22:27 |
| jogo | mtreinish: poke me tomorrow and I'll check it out | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | jogo: sure, will do | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | ok if there aren't any other bps let's move on | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: around? | 22:28 |
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| mtreinish | I probably should have made a bigger deal about having a devstack section in the meeting... | 22:29 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish: waiting for someone to look at those patches | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | I'll do that for next week | 22:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | hey, yes…timezone issues ;) | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | salv-orlando: ok, that's what I figured :) | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: well, this is the first time we've had a devstack topic. So I'm not exactly sure what format we should try here | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | but I guess are there any big devstack topics to bring up? | 22:30 |
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| dtroyer_zz | One thing I'd like to mention is the talk about changing the logging and service names…there is an etherpad to collect notes at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/devstack-logging | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/devstack-logging | 22:31 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: ahh, ok getting rid of the abbreviated names, I think that'll definitely make it easier for people | 22:31 |
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| dtroyer_zz | yeah, although I'm honestly a little misty-eyed to let go of the q-* names ;) | 22:32 |
| dtroyer_zz | our last active tie to the former name that shall not be mentioned | 22:32 |
| dtroyer_zz | Anyway, the other is the change for process execution to make the stop_xxx() functions work without screen | 22:32 |
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| dtroyer_zz | #link https://review.openstack.org/117339 | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | heh, I've always liked q more too :) | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | ooh, yeah to stop using screen in grenade | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | that should help a lot | 22:33 |
| dtroyer_zz | this is intended to let grenade stop using screen | 22:33 |
| dtroyer_zz | jinx | 22:33 |
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| dtroyer_zz | beyond that nothing major happening now | 22:34 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: ok cool, thanks for the update | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | I'll make a bigger deal about having a devstack discussion in the next meeting announcment | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | that way hopefully we'll get some more people from the devstack team active here | 22:35 |
| dtroyer_zz | sounds good | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | ok then does anyone else have anything to discuss on devstack before we move on? | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, sdague: since you guys have been pushing on grenade | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | anything noteworthy to bring up here? | 22:37 |
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| masayukig | timezone issue? | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | well maybe for sdague it's ~6:40pm here | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | but we can move on and if they show up later discuss it then | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | so dkranz announced the bug day for next Tuesday | 22:39 |
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| dkranz | I'll be there :) | 22:39 |
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| mtreinish | we've got a lot of untriaged bugs so it'll be good to clean that up going into the rc period | 22:39 |
| masayukig | +1 | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | I think moving forward it'll be good to have someone who is dedicated to watching the bug list | 22:40 |
| gmann | mtreinish: what's usual strategy on bug day? confirming bugs or assign them to someone to fix also | 22:40 |
| dkranz | gmann: First, triage | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | gmann: mostly triage to see if a bug is real or not | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | and then also to check the status of open bugs that seem stale | 22:40 |
| mtreinish | but triage is the first priority | 22:40 |
| dkranz | We can't really assign bugs to other people | 22:41 |
| dkranz | People need to assign bugs to themselves | 22:41 |
| gmann | ya | 22:41 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, well we could but I don't think it would be too successful | 22:41 |
| dkranz | :) | 22:41 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We could give the PTL more powers | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | heh, I have no qualms about assign bugs to people. I just don't think anyone would care | 22:42 |
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| mtreinish | :) | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | anyway is there anything else to discuss about bugs? | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | otherwise let's move on | 22:43 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:44 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any reviews that they'd like to get some extra eyes on? | 22:44 |
| masayukig | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118078/ | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118078/ | 22:44 |
| mtreinish | ooh, a devstack review :) | 22:44 |
| masayukig | yeah, but not so difficult :) | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: ^^^ | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | I have one this week too: | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116786/ | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | it's the last of the random hashseed bugs | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | after that is approved we can run tempest with a randomhash seed | 22:46 |
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| masayukig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117742/ | 22:46 |
| dtroyer_zz | I'll add 118078 to the logging list and look at it later | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | masayukig: oh, yeah that's a good one too fix | 22:47 |
| masayukig | dtroyer_zz: thanks:) | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | I also have: | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/111635 | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | which will fix an import issue if you don't have a tempest config filew | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | are there any other reviews? | 22:48 |
| adam_g | we have our final grenade patch for ironic testing | 22:48 |
| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111859/ | 22:48 |
| adam_g | thanks to everyone who helped review and merge the huge stack to enable that | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | ok cool, yeah it'll be good to get that closed out | 22:49 |
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| mtreinish | oh and one more branch from andreaf_: | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/test-accounts,n,z | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | we changed course a bit on the test-accounts work and made it so by default it'll behave the same as it does today and only work for serial | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | but it'll allow you to optionally use the yaml syntax for regular user creds | 22:51 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: ok | 22:51 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I had one topic for discussion | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | and when we figure out the resource leaking issue we can move forward with the parallel provider | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | ok let's move to open discussion then | 22:51 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 22:51 |
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| dkranz | I talked to some people today about fault-injection | 22:52 |
| dkranz | We have rejected such tests from tempest | 22:52 |
| dkranz | But there is a clear desire for them | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | yeah, because it violates the blackbox nature of tempest | 22:52 |
| dkranz | We could create a separate repo for non-functional tests | 22:52 |
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| dkranz | But is that really worth the trouble? | 22:53 |
| dkranz | How terrible would it be to just make a directory in tempest? | 22:53 |
| dkranz | The review team would be the same anyway and another repo just seems like a pain in the neck | 22:53 |
| dkranz | But we could go that way | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: Honestly I think moving forward with tempest-lib will enable people to do this seperately | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | I don't think the review team would necessarily be the same | 22:54 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Why not? | 22:54 |
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| mtreinish | well I view doing fault injection as outside the scope of tempest, and honestly we have enough to worry about in tempest right now | 22:54 |
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| dkranz | Unless some core members are not interested in reviewing such tests | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | if people want to work on it they can start a separate project for doing it | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | I know in the past we've discussed fault injection service with an api | 22:55 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: you mean separate repo | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | to kill things like rabbit | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, it could use things from tempest lib | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | but it wouldn't be a gating test suite (at least at first) | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | because it'll be a parallel effort | 22:55 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I would not propose it be gating ever | 22:56 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: those kinds of tests need to run for a long time to be effective | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah, that's fair | 22:56 |
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| dkranz | THough I suppose you could have a "smoke" version that ran for a short time | 22:56 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but it is really for testing horizontal scaling, HA, etc. | 22:57 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: but ok, not in tempest | 22:57 |
| dkranz | but in QA program | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | yeah, that's one of the advantages of doing tempest lib | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | it lets us separate things more clearly on functional boundaries | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | but reuse the bits in tempest that were causing us to dump everything in there | 22:58 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok. Such a repo would probably import both tempest and tempest-lib :) | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | heh, yeah I guess if they wanted to reuse tempest test cases | 22:58 |
| dkranz | why not? | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | it'll be the samething with the stress framework | 22:59 |
| dkranz | right | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | which I think we should spin out at some point too | 22:59 |
| dkranz | I agree. Could be in the same repo. | 22:59 |
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| mtreinish | but you could write it so it's not a hard coupling but instead you point it to a unit test dir | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | anyway we're at time | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ok, byew | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Sep 4 23:00:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| masayukig | thanks :) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-09-04-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| gmann | Thanks | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-09-04-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2014/qa.2014-09-04-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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