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| HenryG | akamyshnikova, jlibosva, salv-orlando: Hi | 12:59 |
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| akamyshnikova | hi! | 12:59 |
| HenryG | #startmeeting neutron_db | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 13:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_db)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_db' | 13:00 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 13:00 |
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| HenryG | I forgot to update the agenda, but we are basically going to talk about the on-going work items. | 13:01 |
| HenryG | #topic Migration Unit Tests | 13:01 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: Can you give a quick status? | 13:02 |
| akamyshnikova | I've got merged two changes that tests was based on. So it is open. But there is problem with this necessary changes https://review.openstack.org/115203. | 13:03 |
| HenryG | OK. So you need oslo.db to be released with that fix? | 13:04 |
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| akamyshnikova | New oslo.db just appear so, I think if we want to get tests merged in juno, do the following thing: add this fix in implementing test in neutron, and remove after oslo.db with this changes appear. | 13:05 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: Sounds like a reasonable plan. Thanks. | 13:06 |
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| HenryG | akamyshnikova: anything else? | 13:06 |
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| akamyshnikova | HenryG, no. I've already do this https://review.openstack.org/76520 with todo comment. So I will work on refactor | 13:07 |
| salv-orlando | that’s reasonable for me. | 13:07 |
| HenryG | Thanks akamyshnikova | 13:08 |
| HenryG | #topic Reorganize Migrations | 13:08 |
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| HenryG | cue salv-orlando ... | 13:08 |
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| salv-orlando | I thinkl we’re doing well there. All patches under review. No blocker so far. | 13:09 |
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| HenryG | I have a question. | 13:09 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: listening. | 13:10 |
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| HenryG | For the havana initial state patch, is there an "automated" way of checking the migration changes? | 13:11 |
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| salv-orlando | no there isnt’. If you want it as a requirement I’d have to keep the old migrations too in the source code tree | 13:12 |
| salv-orlando | in order to compare that the new migration brings into the same state as if you would use the old path up to havana | 13:13 |
| salv-orlando | I have been using jenkins and 3rd party CIs as a test. Once auto-generation has been removed, these CIs rely on migrations. | 13:13 |
| salv-orlando | Success from these CIs on the patch is an indicator that the new initial DB state is sane. | 13:14 |
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| salv-orlando | Still it’s not 100% sure. If you want to have a unit tests for that, as I said, I’d need to stow the old migration somewhere to run the comparison | 13:14 |
| HenryG | Thanks. I meant only to help verify for the review, not ongoing. | 13:14 |
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| salv-orlando | on the other, if you need the ability of verify it for your review without having to rely on your eyes... | 13:15 |
| salv-orlando | I think the best way is to use the new code - and just run the first migration (havana initial) | 13:15 |
| salv-orlando | then checkout master. | 13:15 |
| salv-orlando | downgrade to folsom_initial and upgrade then to head. This should prove that havana_initial == havana_release | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | then using master downgrade again to havana | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | and checkout the new patch again | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | finally upgrade to head | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | I think that if havana_initial != havan | 13:16 |
| salv-orlando | sorry... | 13:17 |
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| salv-orlando | havana_initial != havan_release you should get a failure at some point in this process | 13:17 |
| salv-orlando | otherwise if you want punctual verification... | 13:17 |
| salv-orlando | use sql inspector | 13:17 |
| salv-orlando | on two databases - one generated using master and brought to havana_release | 13:17 |
| HenryG | great, thanks salv-orlando, I will try those methods | 13:18 |
| salv-orlando | and the other generated using this new patch with havana_initial | 13:18 |
| salv-orlando | cool | 13:18 |
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| salv-orlando | But I reckon akamyshnikova has already done this check verifying that havana_initial is in sync with the models | 13:18 |
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| akamyshnikova | I'll checked it one more time for sure :) | 13:20 |
| HenryG | I have checked that (I hope) with mysql. | 13:20 |
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| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova, HenryG: better to check several times. Usually there is nothing about my patches that should be trusted. | 13:20 |
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| HenryG | :) | 13:21 |
| HenryG | Anything else salv-orlando? | 13:22 |
| salv-orlando | not on this topic. | 13:22 |
| HenryG | #topic Import All Models | 13:22 |
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| HenryG | jlibosva: hi | 13:22 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: hi | 13:22 |
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| HenryG | You saw my comments in the review? | 13:22 |
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| jlibosva | HenryG: yes, I'm going to investigate the thing about some of plugins are not yielded from walk_packages. Other than that - I think logging is ok. | 13:23 |
| jlibosva | HenryG: I will reply soon | 13:24 |
| HenryG | Thanks jlibosva | 13:24 |
| jlibosva | I'm more worried about consequences though | 13:25 |
| jlibosva | More issues we find the more I'm convinced that having models in dedicated modules was the best idea | 13:25 |
| HenryG | Like what I mentioned, the uncertainty of what code gets executed on imports? | 13:25 |
| jlibosva | yes | 13:26 |
| HenryG | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112928/5/neutron/tests/unit/testlib_api.py | 13:27 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: if we shuffle code around for all plugins we might complicate other situations. I’m thinking about packaging and the fact that we’ll probably end up splitting plugins in other repositories. | 13:27 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: plugins could also have their own modules. | 13:27 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: One option is to keep the models in their current locations (directories) but put them in files with a well-known naming convention. | 13:27 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: in common package could be only core models | 13:27 |
| jlibosva | yeah, like keystone | 13:28 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: only thing I can say is that if you feel strongly about moving all models to a single place try a patch for that. That’s the kind of patch I would feel shaky about merging late in the release cycle, but if you feel confident about it... | 13:29 |
| HenryG | The importing of all models is only done during neutron-db-manage and unit tests. | 13:31 |
| jlibosva | I feel more like Juno can survive with head.py | 13:31 |
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| HenryG | +1 to head.py for Juno. Least risk. | 13:31 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: I feel we can have some more time to think about the right solution. | 13:31 |
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| salv-orlando | I reckon plugins might declare which module(s) contain their db models, and have a convention around that. | 13:32 |
| salv-orlando | if developers don’t follow the convention then they’ll see their unit tests failing | 13:32 |
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| HenryG | That's kind of what head.py does. | 13:33 |
| salv-orlando | jlibosva: who knows perhaps we can make head.py the “convention" | 13:33 |
| HenryG | There were complaints about it on the ML. | 13:33 |
| jlibosva | We can do better than that | 13:33 |
| salv-orlando | I’d say let’s table this discussion at the moment. I know the pkg walk will raise a few eyebrwos anyway | 13:33 |
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| HenryG | Sounds good. | 13:34 |
| HenryG | But we need https://review.openstack.org/108700 to go in ASAP. | 13:34 |
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| akamyshnikova | yes, very important changes | 13:35 |
| HenryG | I keep getting complaints about neutron-db-manage autogenerate | 13:35 |
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| jlibosva | if people are complaining about head.py why nobody participated/replied to "Strategy for collecting models for autogenerate" | 13:36 |
| jlibosva | just a rhetorical question ... :) | 13:36 |
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| HenryG | #topic Open discussion | 13:37 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: well I complain all the time about the layout of the qwerty keyboard, even if I did not participate in the discussion | 13:38 |
| salv-orlando | one bug for you guys: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1354218 | 13:38 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1354218 in neutron "heal script is not idempotent" [High,New] | 13:38 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: use dvorak :) | 13:38 |
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| salv-orlando | jlibosva: ah that might be better true. But I’m just too old to switch now. I don’t have enough neurons left in my brain | 13:38 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: I forgot about that bug :( | 13:39 |
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| salv-orlando | basically it’s a matrioska bug | 13:39 |
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| jlibosva | salv-orlando: Believe in yourself, I bet you can do it ;) | 13:39 |
| akamyshnikova | I see this for the first time | 13:39 |
| salv-orlando | one issue uncovering another issue. But I had to stop at the 3rd layer | 13:39 |
| HenryG | salv-orlando: Do you want to re-assign it? | 13:39 |
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| salv-orlando | HenryG: Yeah I don’t want to any more work! I’m on strike. | 13:40 |
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| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: I’ve assigned it to you… let me know if you need more info. Maybe it’s not a bug after all... | 13:40 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, ok, thanks! | 13:41 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, I will investigate this :) | 13:41 |
| jlibosva | salv-orlando: akamyshnikova isn't this the error we saw on some specific sqlalchemy version? | 13:41 |
| akamyshnikova | jlibosva, no | 13:42 |
| * jlibosva is talking about http://paste.openstack.org/show/91771/ | 13:42 | |
| * salv-orlando checking which one I run on my machines. | 13:42 | |
| akamyshnikova | jlibosva, this one... | 13:42 |
| akamyshnikova | jlibosva, there was something really like this | 13:43 |
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| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova, jlibosva: this behaviour was found with sqla 0.9.7 | 13:43 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, problem with alembic if it is older that 0.6.4 | 13:44 |
| jlibosva | akamyshnikova: 0.8.4 ? | 13:44 |
| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: alembic on my system is 0.6.5 | 13:44 |
| jlibosva | ah, sorry. I meant sqlalchemy | 13:45 |
| jlibosva | ignore me | 13:45 |
| akamyshnikova | seems very strange... | 13:45 |
| akamyshnikova | I've got error with _compiler_dispatch only with wrong alembic version | 13:45 |
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| salv-orlando | akamyshnikova: I run all the sorts of stuff on my dev machines. I need to reassess this. Probably something upgraded alembic since I reported the bug... | 13:46 |
| salv-orlando | anyway do you reckon http://paste.openstack.org/show/91770/ and http://paste.openstack.org/show/91769/ should be applied? | 13:46 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, although I never get this error, this may be OK | 13:48 |
| akamyshnikova | salv-orlando, may be OK to do things to fix this :) | 13:48 |
| akamyshnikova | I just want to check it :) | 13:48 |
| salv-orlando | ok cool | 13:48 |
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| HenryG | Thanks everyone! If there is nothing else I will end the meeting. | 13:54 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuu | 13:54 |
| akamyshnikova | Thanks, bye! | 13:54 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye :) | 13:54 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 13:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 13:54:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-25-13.00.html | 13:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-25-13.00.txt | 13:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_db/2014/neutron_db.2014-08-25-13.00.log.html | 13:54 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 16:00:08 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| NikolayM | hi! | 16:00 |
| enykeev | hey! | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:01 |
| m4dcoder | hi | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | hi | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
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| rakhmerov | rakhmerov, skype on Tue with Nastya about integration testing scenarious | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | done (more detailed about this later | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | rakhmerov, rename the current "linear" workflow type to "direct" and discuss with the team what other workflow types may be needed | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | partially done | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | I've done renaming but didn't discuss about other workflow types yet | 16:02 |
| dzimine | Hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | hi Dmitri | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | btw, folks from Fuel want a new type of workflow where tasks' order is based on priorities | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov and others: discuss workflow other types | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | rakhmerov, nmakhotkin: when doing renamings make sure to rename "finish" to "complete | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | not done yet but we keep it in mind | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current Status (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:04 | |
| rakhmerov | let's report everyone's status quickly | 16:04 |
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| NikolayM | I've almost done with delayed calls (it is for further needed for running delayed tasks), | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: 1. Made a mixed workflow work (including action execution and calling one workflow from another as a subflow), added workflow as an individual entity, done aforementioned renamind and a bunch of small fixes, also discussed API v2 with lots of people | 16:06 |
| bhavenst | Hi | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | hi Bryan! | 16:06 |
| bhavenst | Sorry a few min late.. | 16:06 |
| enykeev | Just started today. Skimmed through the code and current reviews to figure out what we might need for API v2. | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | and also almost done actions in DB, only issue with tests | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | np | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:07 |
| akuznetsova | Most part of time I worked with other project, so I am still working on new test scenarios, want to finish it on this week and close appropriate blueprint | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, pretty soon we'll need to start working on integration tests for v2 | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | I assume we'll be able to copy and adjust a lot of existing tests from v1 | 16:08 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, ok, I will be ready) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | I know you will ) | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | bhavenst, can you please report your status briefly? | 16:09 |
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| bhavenst | Yeah sure, I'll try to update the bug and BP I'm working today on after the latest comments | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | it's kind of a weird thing with that FlushError | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | we fetched this commit today with Nikolay and rollback test fails for us locally | 16:10 |
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| bhavenst | Yes, very weird. | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | throwing DBError which is actually logical if we look at the code | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | but for some reason jenkins say "ok" :) | 16:11 |
| bhavenst | Right, that's what I had for some time, but then it started failing for me, throwing the FlushError | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | other than that the patch looks good (just small cosmetic suggestions) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | hm | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | very weird | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | I would make sure first of all that you have all the dependencies as they're listed in requirements | 16:12 |
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| bhavenst | I'll play with it some more. I could probably wrap whatever exception comes up at the mistral api layer anyway | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | may be you have different versions or something.. | 16:12 |
| bhavenst | I had to change just a bit to get it to work | 16:12 |
| bhavenst | (requirements) | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, look at my comments, I created a bug for this | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, that could be the reason actually ) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, please take a look at this | 16:13 |
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| bhavenst | OK, I'll revert those files and see if I can get tox to work properly | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:13 |
| bhavenst | Lots of pain due to corp proxy | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | for now, I'm ok to have FlushError there in except clause | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | and get this patch merged in | 16:14 |
| bhavenst | OK sounds good | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | but then we need to fix that bug | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | the way how we handle exceptions in DB layer now is wrong | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | because we only catch some of the exceptions | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | so we need to clearly understand what exception hierarchy is and make a right decision how to handle them | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | let's move on | 16:15 |
| bhavenst | Yeah that would be good | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as the other patch, I'm really sorry, wasn't able to look at it today | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | will do tomorrow | 16:16 |
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| bhavenst | no problem, I got the comment that on-success and requires shouldn't be combined, so trying to make a test workflow covering what I need without mixing | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #topic API V2 Discussion (integration with Glance, versioned client etc.) | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I have two questions to discuss here | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | Angus left a comment related to Glance integration in https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/document/d/12j66DZiyJahdnV8zXM_fCRJb0qxpsVS_eyhZvdHlIVU/edit | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | basically it's about how we store workbooks | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | one of the ideas was to use Glance as a repository for Mistral artifacts (previously workbooks only, now it's gonna be separate entities: workflows, actions, triggers) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | so the question is: how do we design API correctly to leave a possibility to get integrated with Glance? | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | for now, I really don't want to do it (in 0.1) but at least we need to understand what we need to do later on and have our design compatible with it | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | Angus mentioned using glance_id to identify workbooks in glance | 16:21 |
| enykeev | I would paraphrase this question differently, does anyone in Mistral team has any knowledge of Glance? | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | would it be enough just to have field 'glance_id' in all our high-level entities like workflows to be able to fetch the source from Glance if we want to? | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | Nikolay should | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | I guess | 16:22 |
| dzimine | Will it couple our API with Glancr | 16:23 |
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| akuznetsova | what about possibility to use mistral without openstack? will it be possible in this case? | 16:24 |
| bhavenst | Maybe a more generic reference type field that can contain glance (or whatever) references | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I don't want Mistral to be able to use Glance only | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, yes, it should be possible | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | bhavenst, can you elaborate on this please? | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | uri kind of thing? | 16:26 |
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| bhavenst | Well, just trying to reduce the coupling. By putting glance_id it kind of binds to glance | 16:26 |
| dzimine | Our currency is the DSL of actions workflows and triggers, where a user stores it is not Mistral business I think | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | say, "glance: 1-2-3-4" or "mistral: my_workflow" | 16:26 |
| bhavenst | storage locator reference or something | 16:26 |
| bhavenst | yeah exactly | 16:26 |
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| dzimine | Glance, S3 shouldn't matter | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | bhavenst, looks interesting | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, yes, but eventually Mistral server should be able to fetch workflow definition from somewhere | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | in order to start a workflow | 16:28 |
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| dzimine | Where is the glance integration requirement is coming? May be the use case will help reason about it | 16:28 |
| zaneb | the advantage of Glance is that you can provide an ID instead of a URL, so you know it's safe to fetch (because you choose the endpoint yourself) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | hi zaneb ) | 16:29 |
| zaneb | o/ :) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:30 |
| zaneb | so in Heat we give you the option of passing a whole template or a URL, which is a mistake | 16:30 |
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| zaneb | in the future, we want it to be a whole template or a glance artifact catalog id | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:31 |
| dzimine | Ok | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | zaneb, how do you see to specify/configure this? | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | I'm not sure I clearly see at this point | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | say, you decided to use Glance only | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | then you decided that you don't want to use Glance | 16:32 |
| zaneb | also, you can use the user's token to fetch it, so they don't have to publish the template publicly | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | how would the API change? | 16:32 |
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| zaneb | right now (speaking for Heat) the API accepts either an inline template file or a URL with which to fetch one | 16:33 |
| zaneb | for any operations that require a template | 16:33 |
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| zaneb | the URL fetching part of that is bad | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | so we're supposed to have two mutually exclusive properties, right? | 16:33 |
| zaneb | in future we want to fetch only from Glance | 16:33 |
| zaneb | rakhmerov: exactly | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | and raise an error if they're specified both | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | makes sense | 16:34 |
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| zaneb | although what Angus is suggesting may be something different | 16:35 |
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| zaneb | like, not upload workbooks at all to Mistral, and have triggers refer to workbooks in Glance | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | yep, that's clear | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | zane what's your email? | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | what Angus is suggesting looks ok to me | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | so, I would suggest for now that we have this property 'glance_id' so that we could Glance integration moving forward | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | and we'll be able to identify our artefacts either by id/name or by glance id | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | and let's throw it in the ML | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, start a ML discussion about Glance integration | 16:39 |
| dzimine | do we have a suggestion described somewhere I can’t see details in the document, only basic idea. | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | no, that's all we have | 16:39 |
| dzimine | If Angus can sum it up… | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I can talk to Angus tomorrow (it's a late night for him now) | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I'll try to catch him tomorrow the first thing | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | #rakhmerov catch Angus to talk about Glance integration | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | the next question regarding new API is about how we're planning to alter the client | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | Python API and CLI | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | alternatives that I heard from people: | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. Honestly support two versions and switch between them based on the environment var | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | both python API and CLI | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | 2. Don't support older versions in CLI for simplicity | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | so that CLI always works with the latest API version | 16:42 |
| dzimine | I wonder: do we have the API clear and final? once we do we can put off the CLI and Python client till next week, when we have API ready. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | opinions? | 16:42 |
| dzimine | Just want to be sure we close on all API today, and get the work going. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, no, we don't have a final version on paper but I'm sure we understand 90% of what should be done | 16:43 |
| dzimine | 90% of shared understanding is good (_shared_ :)) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | enykeev, btw it may be a good thing to describe the API in a more or less formal way first | 16:44 |
| dzimine | re CLI - this is easy, support only new is reasonable. | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | and throw it in the ML | 16:44 |
| dzimine | Python client is a diff story, may be. | 16:44 |
| dzimine | because Solum is using Python client. | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | but | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | Solum also uses CLI :) | 16:45 |
| dzimine | Let’s think throuhg our transition plan for Solum. | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | actively | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I wonder how it will be if we support only latest API in CLI | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | the solution here may be just to have back support (not sure about the right term for this) | 16:45 |
| dzimine | e.g., they can continue using older Client version which works against an older API | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | so that if they have a problem with the older version we can make a minor release of the old client | 16:46 |
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| dzimine | My off-the top of the head thinking: | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:46 |
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| dzimine | API compatibility is for clients, to not break clients using older version of API. And give new clienst new functionality. | 16:47 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, our current version of CLI has a lot of bugs that will be fixed in new one, so i think it is good idea to support new version | 16:47 |
| dzimine | Python Client and CLI are clients | 16:47 |
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| dzimine | => API can treat them just the saem. | 16:47 |
| dzimine | but are there any established practicies within Openstack in this area? | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | some projects support all, some just the latest | 16:48 |
| enykeev | dzimine, nova, heat and glance all support at least two versions in their python clients, but as far as I can tell, glance only supports latest API in CLI | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | Kirill, you looked at this today, can you give an info? | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | and they're all core projects, hm... | 16:49 |
| enykeev | I haven't dig too deep though... | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | with different approach to this | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova, yes, good concern | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, so I think we need to talk to Angus again | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | but generally I'd be ok to support the latest version only | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | looks reasonable | 16:50 |
| enykeev | +1 | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, talk to Angus about versioning CLI | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic New action design discussion (storing actions in DB etc.) | 16:51 |
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| dzimine | renat are you clear on how we spin a minor version of an old client, if the new client goes forward? | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I've never done this before. Need to talk to our folks to find out | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I believe we can do it | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | so Nikolay, not sure we have enough time to discuss your today changes in actions | 16:53 |
| dzimine | let’s validate we can, than we decide finally. | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | but at least let's start | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, ok, sure | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, validate that we can release a minor version for the old client of the new one goes forward | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | Nikolay, do you have any concerns that you'd like to discuss here? | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | one of the things that I'd like to let you know (especially Dmitri) that we've come to a conclusion that we'll have to run a script manually for now to sync actions in db | 16:55 |
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| dzimine | ok, | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | and the simplest and the most reliable way to do that is just to wipe out all system actions and then recreate them | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:56 |
| dzimine | what sync_db() method in action factory is doing than? | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | but imagine we have 10 engine instance ) | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | then there's no need to call this method on each node start | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | either we need that nodes communicate about this somehow (say some of them become a master node) or just simplify our life for now and run it manually | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | with a script | 16:57 |
| dzimine | I think it’s an OK first step, it may be ok for a long time actually. | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | which could be a part of installation process for Mistral actually | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | we also talked to Nikolay about what component (API, engine or executor) should be responsible for this | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | I think engine only | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | execution may not even have access to be | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | and this is not an API's responsibility apparently | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, time to shut the meeting down | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks guys to all for coming! | 16:59 |
| enykeev | thanks! | 16:59 |
| bhavenst | thanks | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | it was a good meeting | 16:59 |
| dzimine | chees. | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | see ya | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | thanks | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 16:59:58 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-25-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-25-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-08-25-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| sarob_ | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 17:00:50 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:00 | |
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| sarob_ | Til call | 17:01 |
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| dbite | hello | 17:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 17:02 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:02 |
| sarob_ | Roll call I mean | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hi | 17:02 |
| sayali | Hi | 17:02 |
| sarob_ | Hi y'all | 17:02 |
| sarob_ | #topic training docs | 17:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello - Shilla here | 17:03 |
| sarob_ | Afternoon | 17:03 |
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| sarob_ | Take it away dbite | 17:03 |
| dbite | sure | 17:03 |
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| dbite | the labs section for Icehouse are ready, needs some testing | 17:04 |
| dbite | the associate and operator book should be ready for Icehouse by the end of this month | 17:04 |
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| dbite | by labs section I meant basic-install-guides | 17:05 |
| dbite | my bad | 17:05 |
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| sarob_ | Dbite: great progress. | 17:06 |
| dbite | I will be working with Comcast team to update the Associate and Operator books | 17:07 |
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| dbite | not much work remaining | 17:07 |
| dbite | there | 17:07 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: do you think juno will be a lot easier | 17:07 |
| dbite | yes it should be lot easier | 17:07 |
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| dbite | we should meet Juno on time for the official Juno release | 17:07 |
| sarob_ | Dbite: nice | 17:07 |
| sarob_ | #info docs on target for icehouse by the end of aug | 17:08 |
| dbite | any questions? if not lets move on | 17:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | nope | 17:08 |
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| sarob_ | #info docs juno support by release schedule | 17:09 |
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| sarob_ | #topic infra update | 17:09 |
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| rluethi | scripts are almost ready for wider testing. | 17:10 |
| rluethi | there are a couple of issues that dbite and I are working on right now. | 17:11 |
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| dbite | the cluster is ready, it deploys openstack and automates everything required to get OpenStack on VirtualBox | 17:11 |
| rluethi | If someone wants to start testing already, I wouldn't try to talk them out of it anymore :). | 17:11 |
| dbite | we just have a few bugs that should be fixed soon | 17:11 |
| sarob_ | I'll run through it wed when I back home | 17:12 |
| sarob_ | Anything else? | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | not from me. | 17:13 |
| sarob_ | #topic testing update | 17:13 |
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| dbite | ohh ues we need to update the documentation for the labs section | 17:13 |
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| sarob_ | Who can take that on? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | I have finished compute node quiz for associate guide | 17:14 |
| sayali | i would like to do that | 17:14 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp: good | 17:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can help with that as well | 17:14 |
| matjazp | I'm working on network node quizzes | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | ShillaSaebi: cool, I'll be glad | 17:15 |
| dbite | #action sayali update documentation for labs section | 17:15 |
| sarob_ | #action sayali, shillasaebi will update the labs documentation | 17:15 |
| sarob_ | Beat me | 17:15 |
| dbite | hehe | 17:15 |
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| dbite | sorry | 17:15 |
| sarob_ | #undo | 17:16 |
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| sarob_ | So shillasaebi you are signing up for quizzes? | 17:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes | 17:16 |
| sarob_ | Coolness | 17:17 |
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| MeganR | I am interested in helping with the quizzes, but will be out the second half of this week, will be avail. next week | 17:17 |
| sarob_ | You guys synch up over the docs channel | 17:17 |
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| sarob_ | Meganr: excellent | 17:17 |
| matjazp | yes... or mail | 17:18 |
| sayali | ok | 17:18 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp: will be great to get momentum behind the quizzes | 17:18 |
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| sarob_ | Matjazp: anything else? | 17:19 |
| matjazp | nope | 17:19 |
| sarob_ | #topic upstream training merge | 17:19 |
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| dbite | so the blueprint is out there | 17:20 |
| sarob_ | And we have the first patch in | 17:20 |
| sarob_ | Reed is here with me | 17:20 |
| dbite | ok, cool, hi reed | 17:20 |
| sarob_ | In San Antonio | 17:20 |
| sarob_ | Well not next to me | 17:21 |
| matjazp | how should we create slides... one for each guide or one for each section of each guide? | 17:21 |
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| sarob_ | Its going to depend | 17:21 |
| matjazp | that is for training guides content | 17:21 |
| matjazp | not just for upstream training | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | I'm going to help reed on the blueprint task breakdown | 17:22 |
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| sarob_ | Ah | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | Okay | 17:22 |
| matjazp | upstream training has its own folder structure | 17:22 |
| sarob_ | Right | 17:22 |
| dbite | I suggest that we let the upstream training content in there | 17:22 |
| dbite | and then we work on improving it book wise | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | dbite: yes, we can move/integrate later, if the need arise | 17:23 |
| sarob_ | Keeping separate right now makes sense | 17:23 |
| sarob_ | As far as slides breakdown for the rest of the content | 17:23 |
| matjazp | so in the mean time, we just put slides for training guides in a coresponding directory structure? slides for assoc guide in its folder, etc. | 17:23 |
| sarob_ | Hmm, not sure | 17:24 |
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| dbite | matjazp, are the slides in XML? | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | dbite: no, the same as for upstream univ | 17:25 |
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| dbite | ok, then may be another folder and move the slides in there | 17:25 |
| matjazp | we should use the same tech for slides through the whole project | 17:25 |
| dbite | also move upstream in that folder | 17:25 |
| sarob_ | One step at a time | 17:25 |
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| sarob_ | We will need to figure out the common slide tech | 17:26 |
| sarob_ | In the future | 17:26 |
| sarob_ | Perhaps ASCIIdoc or other | 17:26 |
| matjazp | sarob_: we just use the same as for Upstream training... | 17:26 |
| sarob_ | That would mean converting xml to rst | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | sarob_: why two different formats? | 17:27 |
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| sarob_ | We wouldn't have different | 17:27 |
| matjazp | slides for Upstream training will be in landslide, so why not use that same approach for "our" slideware | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | In that case we would pick rst | 17:27 |
| sarob_ | As source | 17:28 |
| dbite | I think rst for slides should be good | 17:28 |
| dbite | should we vote on it? | 17:28 |
| matjazp | sarob_: yes, that is what I'm saying | 17:28 |
| sarob_ | Let's stablize | 17:28 |
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| sarob_ | First before a major change like that | 17:28 |
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| sayali | Markdown? | 17:28 |
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| sarob_ | I want like juno released before we vote on any major changes | 17:29 |
| matjazp | sarob_: currently, there are no slides, so whatever we choose, its not a major change | 17:29 |
| sarob_ | True | 17:29 |
| dbite | I think we should follow upstream-training's footsteps | 17:30 |
| matjazp | sarob_: I'm talking just for slides, not everything | 17:30 |
| dbite | the rst to html and pdf is possible | 17:30 |
| sarob_ | If we use xml to slides tool for now | 17:30 |
| dbite | so we meet all the requirements | 17:30 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp: ah okay | 17:30 |
| sarob_ | Matjazp: me confused | 17:30 |
| dbite | sarob_: I think XML should be standard for the current books | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | sarob: training guides will stame tha same, slides will adopt Upstream's approach | 17:31 |
| sarob_ | For the short term, having separate slide source is okay | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | stame=stay the same | 17:31 |
| sarob_ | Staleware concern past 3 months | 17:31 |
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| sarob_ | So short term build slidesware within the same tree as the upstream stuff? | 17:32 |
| matjazp | sarob: no, I think a separate folder in each guide is better | 17:33 |
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| sarob_ | Rest like that too? | 17:33 |
| matjazp | sarob: for Training guides slides | 17:33 |
| sarob_ | Who wants to post the first patch as example? | 17:34 |
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| sarob_ | We can vote on the structure through gerrit | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | sarob: ok, that is also an option | 17:34 |
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| sarob_ | I think it's too nuanced | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | To be discussed in irc | 17:35 |
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| sarob_ | My opinion for what is with | 17:35 |
| sarob_ | Worth | 17:36 |
| dbite | ill push the first slide | 17:36 |
| dbite | in that case | 17:36 |
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| sarob_ | Sweet | 17:36 |
| sarob_ | Thx | 17:36 |
| dbite | and we discuss the structure over the gerrit review process | 17:36 |
| matjazp | OK, so first patch for slides should be WIP long enough so we all can tune in | 17:36 |
| dbite | #action dguitarbite push first slide for associate guide and operator guide | 17:36 |
| sarob_ | Nice | 17:37 |
| dbite | #info discussion and design of presentation slides will be done via. gerrit while reviewing the patch | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | I will push more upstream patches this week | 17:37 |
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| sarob_ | Converting the odp xml to rst | 17:37 |
| sarob_ | Moving on? | 17:38 |
| matjazp | yes | 17:38 |
| sarob_ | #topic any other business | 17:38 |
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| sarob_ | Do we know anyone that would be interested in joining us on audio | 17:39 |
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| sarob_ | Visual stuff | 17:39 |
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| sarob_ | Supporting it that is | 17:39 |
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| sarob_ | Hmm, we will keep the slot open for the interested person | 17:40 |
| sarob_ | If that is it | 17:40 |
| sayali | up for it | 17:40 |
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| sarob_ | Sayali: cool | 17:41 |
| sarob_ | Propose how you would want the subteam to work | 17:41 |
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| sarob_ | Sayali and how the content would be organized | 17:42 |
| sarob_ | For this next weeks meeting | 17:42 |
| sarob_ | Sayali okay? | 17:42 |
| sayali | alright sarob_ | 17:42 |
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| sarob_ | #action sayali propose audio visual subteam content and structure | 17:43 |
| sarob_ | Any | 17:43 |
| sarob_ | Thing | 17:43 |
| sarob_ | Else | 17:43 |
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| dbite | nope im good | 17:44 |
| sarob_ | then I call this meeting concluded | 17:44 |
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| sarob_ | Thanks for your work team | 17:44 |
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| sarob_ | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 17:45:14 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-08-25-17.00.html | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-08-25-17.00.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2014/training_guides.2014-08-25-17.00.log.html | 17:45 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 18:00:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 18:00 |
| anteaya | and we're off | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | who's here? | 18:00 |
| dougwig | o/ | 18:00 |
| asselin | hi | 18:00 |
| dane_leblanc | o/ | 18:00 |
| daya_k | hi | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, is punctual! | 18:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 18:00 |
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| songole | hi | 18:01 |
| anteaya | welcome everyone | 18:01 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: I do try | 18:01 |
| krtaylor | hi anteaya | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | #topic Welcome & Reminder of OpenStack Mission | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | #info The OpenStack Open Source Cloud Mission: to produce the ubiquitous Open Source Cloud Computing platform that will meet the needs of public and private clouds regardless of size, by being simple to implement and massively scalable. | 18:01 |
| bmwiedemann | o/ | 18:01 |
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| anteaya | the mission is the reason we are all here, for those who are new or like the reminder | 18:02 |
| anteaya | here is our agenda | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 18:02 |
| anteaya | #topic Review of previous week's open action items | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | we had some | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | #info third party team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99990/ | 18:02 |
| jungleboyj | o? | 18:02 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 18:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 18:03 |
| anteaya | we still can stand some more eyes on that one | 18:03 |
| anteaya | that is the infra-spec that will outline all the puppet module work | 18:03 |
| anteaya | making it easier for folks to consume the infra tooling | 18:03 |
| mestery | o/ | 18:03 |
| anteaya | so it gets another action item | 18:03 |
| anteaya | #action third party team to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99990/ | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | next one | 18:04 |
| esmute | o/ | 18:04 |
| anteaya | #info anteaya to offer joa's work as config patches with joa as co-author by next meeting | 18:04 |
| anteaya | I didn't do that | 18:04 |
| anteaya | bad me | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | for next week again | 18:04 |
| anteaya | #action anteaya to offer joa's work as config patches with joa as co-author by next meeting | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | #info asselin to ask infra about zuul configration to filter patches | 18:04 |
| anteaya | that was in relation to the next item | 18:04 |
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| anteaya | #info asselin to reply to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043392.html with what he learns | 18:05 |
| asselin | yes, fungi replied to the e-mail | 18:05 |
| anteaya | great | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | well thanks for stepping up to the task anyway | 18:05 |
| anteaya | I'm grateful | 18:05 |
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| anteaya | was fungi's email helpful to answering your questions as well, asselin? | 18:05 |
| asselin | yes, always | 18:05 |
| anteaya | great | 18:05 |
| * fungi is pleased to be of some help | 18:06 | |
| anteaya | that's it for last weeks action items | 18:06 |
| anteaya | thanks fungi | 18:06 |
| anteaya | #topic Announcements | 18:06 |
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| anteaya | #info Use the ThirdPartySystems wiki page to notify changes in status | 18:06 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 18:06 |
| anteaya | let's take a peek shall we? | 18:06 |
| krtaylor | I tried and tried to get an individual cell to change color | 18:07 |
| anteaya | do you see the fourth bulled point? | 18:07 |
| krtaylor | but there is a workaround | 18:07 |
| anteaya | does anyone not understand how to change your cell colour and icon if you need to notify others of a change in status? | 18:07 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: the cell has a changed background colour | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, what we discussed was to show red/yellow/green | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | but this does show that a system is down | 18:08 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Template:ThirdPartySystemTableEntryDown | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | I'd still like to be able to pass color to the template | 18:08 |
| krtaylor | but it discards it | 18:08 |
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| anteaya | krtaylor: play away with templates and colours if you want | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, I have read and tried just about everything | 18:09 |
| krtaylor | I need a guru at this point | 18:09 |
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| anteaya | that line in that template successfully colours the background | 18:09 |
| anteaya | does it not? | 18:09 |
| * anteaya refreshes | 18:09 | |
| krtaylor | until we geta status dashboard, I think it is more effort than it is worth | 18:09 |
| anteaya | okay | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | so for everyone else | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | yes, it is a suitable workaround | 18:10 |
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| anteaya | do you understand how to communicate that your ci is down for whatever reason by reading bullet point four on the wikipage? | 18:10 |
| anteaya | btw I interpret silence as no with this group | 18:10 |
| krtaylor | you is everyone in this case, right? | 18:11 |
| daya_k | yes, got it, can we use it if it is reporting failures due to setup issues | 18:11 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: yes you == everyone | 18:11 |
| bmwiedemann | yes, understood | 18:11 |
| dougwig | yes, looks straight forward | 18:11 |
| anteaya | daya_k: yes, or actually if you have turned off your ci account because it is reporting failures due to setup issues | 18:11 |
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| anteaya | bmwiedemann dougwig great thanks | 18:12 |
| anteaya | if your system is failing to build, turn it off, and update the wikipage to say your system is off | 18:12 |
| daya_k | anteaya: ok thanks | 18:12 |
| anteaya | if your system is failing to build and you don't turn it off, infra will turn it off which is tougher for you to get it turned back on | 18:12 |
| anteaya | daya_k: great thanks | 18:12 |
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| anteaya | please spread the word and help others use this feature as intended | 18:13 |
| asselin | one way to 'turn off' is to use the silent pipeline: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043876.html | 18:13 |
| daya_k | anteaya : will this be done even if we dont vote, our system reports 0 on failure, and +1 on success | 18:13 |
| krtaylor | I just did to show a real example | 18:13 |
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| asselin | this way you're is still 'on', but just not reporting to gerrit | 18:13 |
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| daya_k | asselin: thanks, saw that note earlier, thats a good idea | 18:14 |
| anteaya | fungi: did you want third party ci to use the silent pipeline? | 18:14 |
| anteaya | fungi: this is news to me | 18:14 |
| anteaya | fungi: care to clarify? | 18:14 |
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| dougwig | for us third-party people, it's probably simpler to comment out the success/failure clauses on our check pipelines and reload zuul, than two have multiple pipelines. | 18:14 |
| fungi | anteaya: why would i/we care if a third party uses the silent pipeline on their zuul server to prevent them from commenting on changes? | 18:14 |
| anteaya | daya_k: any system that is failing to build due to set up issues should be turned off | 18:14 |
| dougwig | /two/to/ | 18:15 |
| anteaya | daya_k: you should use teh sandbox repo to test unstable systems until your system can build reliably | 18:15 |
| fungi | anteaya: jobs in a silent pipeline in zuul won't add comments to gerrit changes | 18:15 |
| anteaya | fungi: "on their zuul server" | 18:15 |
| anteaya | fungi: great, thank you | 18:15 |
| asselin | dougwig, the advantage of the silient pipeline is you can 'turn off' only those jobs that are unstable. the others that are working can continue. | 18:15 |
| dougwig | sure, but i only have one job. :) | 18:15 |
| daya_k | anteaya: sounds good | 18:15 |
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| anteaya | asselin: yes as long as your system is not creating noise by commenting on gerrit patches, use what works | 18:16 |
| anteaya | we recommend the sandbox repo | 18:16 |
| fungi | well, to "turn off" a job you just remove it from the layout entirely. moving it to the silent pipeline allows you to keep running it and generating logs but keeps it from reporting into gerrit | 18:16 |
| anteaya | if you do other things, ensure there is no ramifications on our gerrit | 18:17 |
| fungi | which can be helpful for debugging, depending on your needs | 18:17 |
| asselin | ok, silent pipeline is a nice tool in the toolbox for 3rd party ci folks. | 18:17 |
| anteaya | which as fungi points out, is the case with the silent pipeline | 18:17 |
| anteaya | great | 18:17 |
| anteaya | more here? | 18:17 |
| anteaya | next | 18:17 |
| anteaya | #info We have two new mailing lists, please subscribe (anteaya) | 18:18 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/third-party-request | 18:18 |
| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/third-party-announce | 18:18 |
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| anteaya | so in order to reduce noise in other areas these two new mailing lists have been created | 18:18 |
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| anteaya | please subscribe to both | 18:18 |
| dougwig | why would non-infra need to be subscribed to -request? | 18:19 |
| anteaya | they are new and I have never admined an email list before so I have to learn | 18:19 |
| anteaya | I will make mistakes | 18:19 |
| anteaya | hopefully in a week or so I will get the hang of it | 18:19 |
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| anteaya | dougwig: don't you want to be able to help out where you are able? | 18:19 |
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| dougwig | i'm talking in general. note that i asked that before you clarified. | 18:20 |
| anteaya | like in being able to interact with a new account requester to ensure the request is accurate and perhaps invite them to the third party meeting? | 18:20 |
| anteaya | dougwig: noted | 18:20 |
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| anteaya | I am hoping that this group becomes self-sustaining and I can move onto other things eventually | 18:21 |
| anteaya | I am trying to train you to lead | 18:21 |
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| anteaya | the group of you | 18:21 |
| anteaya | my wish is for you to be able to not need me at some point | 18:21 |
| anteaya | and you can self govern | 18:21 |
| anteaya | so mailing lists | 18:22 |
| anteaya | questions? | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | anteaya, we will always need you :) | 18:22 |
| anteaya | oh don't say that | 18:22 |
| anteaya | I am so replaceable | 18:22 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 18:22 |
| bmwiedemann | for always < 50y | 18:22 |
| anteaya | it is nece to be welcomed but I don't like being needed | 18:22 |
| anteaya | so next topic | 18:22 |
| anteaya | #topic OpenStack Program items | 18:23 |
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| anteaya | #info Update from Cinder Mid-Cycle Meet-up (jungleboyj) | 18:23 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: you're up | 18:23 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: Ok. | 18:23 |
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| jungleboyj | So, we had our mid-cycle meet-up two weeks ago in Ft. Collins, CO. | 18:23 |
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| jungleboyj | Was our first as a Cinder group f2f . | 18:24 |
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| jungleboyj | Ended up being very valuable. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-meetup-summer-2014 | 18:24 |
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| anteaya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-meetup-summer-2014 | 18:24 |
| jungleboyj | We had anteaya there and her assistance with CI and process items was great. | 18:24 |
| anteaya | you are too kind | 18:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Big takeaways were the fact that there are issues with getting CI running on Fibre Channel storage that non-storage people may not have been aware of. | 18:25 |
| anteaya | yes | 18:25 |
| jungleboyj | We are working that, but it may take a little longer to get those systems running CI. | 18:26 |
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| anteaya | as long as folks are keeping in touch with you or DuncanT on that | 18:26 |
| jungleboyj | The fact that we would like to get something of a results dashboard going to show how CI's are running over time. | 18:26 |
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| jungleboyj | anteaya: We should be good there. I am one of the ones effected. | 18:26 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114315/ | 18:26 |
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| anteaya | that is the creation of the repo we discussed, it is waiting on a new patchset from me | 18:27 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: great | 18:27 |
| anteaya | the above patchset creates a new repo for a dashboard for ci | 18:27 |
| jungleboyj | Was also a good opportunity for each CI group to share our different approaches to getting CI setup. I think that was hepful. | 18:27 |
| anteaya | the code needs some work but it is a start | 18:28 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: agreed | 18:28 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: any code urls from that yet? | 18:28 |
| jungleboyj | I think that pretty much covers the highlights. | 18:28 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: great | 18:28 |
| jungleboyj | code urls from what? | 18:28 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: from folks going to share their tools and approaches | 18:29 |
| anteaya | I know DuncanT had some ideas and thingee had some thoughts | 18:29 |
| anteaya | have they shared code yet ready for more eyes yet? | 18:29 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, yes, DuncanT has a KISS set of scripts for CI. | 18:29 |
| anteaya | great | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | let us know when he is ready to share | 18:29 |
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| anteaya | anything else then? | 18:30 |
| jungleboyj | He shared this at last week's Cinder meeting: https://github.com/Funcan/kiss-ci | 18:30 |
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| anteaya | #link https://github.com/Funcan/kiss-ci | 18:30 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: great thank you | 18:30 |
| jungleboyj | He said comments are welcome. Or do with it as you need. :-) | 18:30 |
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| anteaya | so take a look, it isn't supported by infra just be aware | 18:31 |
| anteaya | jungleboyj: thank you | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | there are several other attempts to simplify CI as well | 18:31 |
| jungleboyj | anteaya: You are welcome. | 18:31 |
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| anteaya | :D | 18:31 |
| DuncanT | I've some updates from JohnGriffith that should make them better, I'm just working on merging them in | 18:31 |
| krtaylor | I have noted them in past meeting logs | 18:31 |
| anteaya | DuncanT: thanks for the update | 18:31 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +2 | 18:31 |
| anteaya | krtaylor: perhaps I have missed them | 18:31 |
| anteaya | more here or move on? | 18:32 |
| * krtaylor goes to find them | 18:32 | |
| anteaya | kk | 18:32 |
| * anteaya waits | 18:32 | |
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| krtaylor | np, move forward | 18:32 |
| anteaya | okay moving on | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | #topic Deadlines & Deprecations | 18:32 |
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| anteaya | so cinder, jungleboyj DuncanT any deadlines or depreactions to discuss? | 18:33 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I defer to you. Have you started sending out nasty grams ? | 18:33 |
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| anteaya | while we wait for DuncanT's reply, Neutron mestery same question | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | mestery: deadlines or deprecations from Neutron to discuss? | 18:34 |
| DuncanT | No, they're on hold pending a satisfactory set of docs | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | DuncanT: very good, keep us informed | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | anyone representing Nova today? | 18:34 |
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| anteaya | salv-orlando: if mestery is tied up, anything you know of for deadlines and deprecations from Neutron? | 18:35 |
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| salv-orlando | anteaya: for plugins and drivers? | 18:35 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: yes | 18:35 |
| * salv-orlando one sec | 18:35 | |
| * anteaya waits | 18:35 | |
| mestery | anteaya: No deadlines, deprecations are already announced: | 18:36 |
| mestery | anteaya: Mellanox plugin, Ryu Plugin, and Cisco Nexus sub-plugin are deprecated in Juno | 18:36 |
| anteaya | mestery: great thanks | 18:36 |
| mestery | anteaya: Sure! | 18:36 |
| anteaya | and a link to that announcement? | 18:36 |
| salv-orlando | thanks mestery I did not have the list at hands | 18:36 |
| anteaya | for the logs? | 18:36 |
| anteaya | salv-orlando: thanks for looking anyway | 18:36 |
| mestery | anteaya: Getting it ... | 18:36 |
| anteaya | mestery: thanks | 18:36 |
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| anteaya | any other OpenStack program represented today that I haven't mentioned? | 18:37 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042790.html Ryu Plugin Deprecation | 18:37 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043559.html Mellanox Plugin Deprecation | 18:38 |
| anteaya | great thank you | 18:38 |
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| * anteaya waits for one more link | 18:39 | |
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| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042765.html Cisco Plugin Deprecation | 18:39 |
| mestery | anteaya: Done :) | 18:39 |
| anteaya | thanks | 18:39 |
| anteaya | next topic | 18:39 |
| anteaya | #topic Highlighting a Program or Gerrit Account | 18:39 |
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| anteaya | #info How to vote when blocked by un-merged fixes or HW-enabling commits (dane_leblanc) | 18:39 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: your floor | 18:39 |
| dane_leblanc | Thanks! | 18:40 |
| dane_leblanc | I don't know if this was discussed before | 18:40 |
| * mestery listens in here. | 18:40 | |
| anteaya | don't worry charge ahead | 18:40 |
| dane_leblanc | But I was wondering if there's a prescribed way to handle the corner case | 18:40 |
| anteaya | please describe the corner case | 18:40 |
| dane_leblanc | Where our CI is blocked on a critical bug which is not yet merged | 18:40 |
| anteaya | so far I am not understanding | 18:40 |
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| anteaya | do we have an example? | 18:40 |
| dane_leblanc | Or it could be that we have a plugin just being introduced | 18:40 |
| dane_leblanc | and the HW-enablement commits have not been merged | 18:41 |
| anteaya | what is HW- | 18:41 |
| dane_leblanc | In this case, any change sets outside of the changes with these enablements (or fixes) will fail in the CI | 18:41 |
| dane_leblanc | HW is a switch,let's say | 18:41 |
| dougwig | (hardware) | 18:41 |
| anteaya | ah okay thanks | 18:41 |
| dane_leblanc | Sorry for the acronym | 18:41 |
| * anteaya hates acronyms | 18:42 | |
| anteaya | np | 18:42 |
| dougwig | AHA | 18:42 |
| dane_leblanc | So, the question is how to vote on the other change sets which we know would fail | 18:42 |
| * dougwig ducks | 18:42 | |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: so is this a dependency issue? | 18:42 |
| anteaya | as in a patch is dependent on another patch? | 18:42 |
| dane_leblanc | Yes, dependency on a fix, | 18:43 |
| anteaya | is carl_baldwin around? | 18:43 |
| bmwiedemann | anteaya: but every patch is dependent on the one fix | 18:43 |
| dane_leblanc | But there's no way we can make every patch dependent | 18:43 |
| anteaya | bmwiedemann: yes, that is what I am hearing | 18:43 |
| carl_baldwin | anteaya: I’m around | 18:43 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: do we have an example of this in action? | 18:43 |
| dane_leblanc | So we would like to abstain from voting | 18:43 |
| * carl_baldwin goes to read context | 18:43 | |
| anteaya | carl_baldwin: great, thanks | 18:43 |
| anteaya | carl_baldwin: do you remember at sprint we discussed a testing system you had internally | 18:44 |
| dane_leblanc | Yes, 1 example is a plugin we're just introducing | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | carl_baldwin: where there was a spider web of patches that your system had to pull in in the right order to test everything | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | carl_baldwin: do you recall that chat? | 18:44 |
| carl_baldwin | anteaya: Yes, I recall that chat. | 18:44 |
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| anteaya | carl_baldwin: you were going to try to make that available to the public | 18:45 |
| carl_baldwin | DVR was implemented in a non-linear chain of dependencies. | 18:45 |
| anteaya | carl_baldwin: what is the status on that direction | 18:45 |
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| anteaya | dane_leblanc: do you have a url for your plugin you are introducing? | 18:45 |
| dane_leblanc | But won't this be frought with merge conflicts, if we're doing this on every patch? | 18:45 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: I can't answer that question | 18:45 |
| dougwig | an example (forward search for 'only relevant pre-merge'): https://github.com/dougwig/neutron-thirdparty-ci/blob/master/ci-slave-post-devstackin a more complicated change, there might be common files edited, which would lead to merge madness. | 18:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | anteaya: I have not made any progress on making that public. However, the script I hacked out *seemed* to work well and anyone is welcome to it. | 18:46 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: I need to see something as an example | 18:46 |
| dougwig | borked the link: https://github.com/dougwig/neutron-thirdparty-ci/blob/master/ci-slave-post-devstack | 18:46 |
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| dane_leblanc | An example is the plugin for our APIC controller hardware | 18:46 |
| anteaya | carl_baldwin: have you a url for that code? (and have you licenced it?) | 18:46 |
| dane_leblanc | The CI testbed includes this hardware | 18:46 |
| carl_baldwin | anteaya: No, neither yet. | 18:47 |
| anteaya | #link https://github.com/dougwig/neutron-thirdparty-ci/blob/master/ci-slave-post-devstack | 18:47 |
| dane_leblanc | But the hardware won't work without initial commits which have not been approved and merged | 18:47 |
| anteaya | carl_baldwin: okay, do update me when you are able | 18:47 |
| anteaya | carl_baldwin: thanks | 18:47 |
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| dane_leblanc | We need to keep testing the initial commits as their being reviewed | 18:47 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: do you have the url for the initial commits for this plugin? | 18:47 |
| dane_leblanc | But all other patches will fail because they don't contain our initial commits | 18:47 |
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| dane_leblanc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111431/ | 18:48 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111431/ | 18:48 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: thanks | 18:48 |
| dane_leblanc | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111432/ | 18:49 |
| dane_leblanc | There are 3 others | 18:49 |
| anteaya | the commit message says enhancements | 18:49 |
| anteaya | is this the inital commit for a driver? | 18:49 |
| * anteaya is confused | 18:49 | |
| dane_leblanc | Ah, sorry | 18:49 |
| dane_leblanc | I'm confusing 2 situations | 18:49 |
| anteaya | let's stay with one plesae | 18:50 |
| dane_leblanc | 2 different plugins, but similar issue | 18:50 |
| anteaya | I'm having a hard enough time with one | 18:50 |
| dane_leblanc | With APIC | 18:50 |
| anteaya | let's select an example and walk through it | 18:50 |
| dane_leblanc | (same one we've been disussing) | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | what is APIC? | 18:50 |
| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111432/ | 18:50 |
| dane_leblanc | There is a bug where all patch sets out of this list will cause leakage | 18:50 |
| dane_leblanc | In our hardware in the CI | 18:50 |
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| anteaya | is there a fix for the bug? | 18:51 |
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| dane_leblanc | It's not a fix per se, but the new set of enhancements are the only way of being compatible with the new APIC that's in the CI | 18:52 |
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| dane_leblanc | The APIC was updated recently, and old plugin code is incompatible | 18:52 |
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| anteaya | okay I think we have moved from the generality of third party to the specifics of this situation | 18:52 |
| * anteaya still doesn't know what APIC stands for, but is willing to move on | 18:53 | |
| dane_leblanc | But this is a general situatoin. | 18:53 |
| anteaya | anyone else had this situation? | 18:53 |
| bmwiedemann | anteaya: a special computer chip | 18:53 |
| anteaya | show of hands will work | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | bmwiedemann: thanks | 18:53 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: sort of. | 18:53 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: thanks for speaking up | 18:53 |
| anteaya | anyone else? | 18:53 |
| dougwig | i did, but it was a trivial case, and easily worked around. | 18:53 |
| dane_leblanc | APIC = Application Policy Infrastrucure Controller | 18:53 |
| anteaya | okay let's dig in | 18:53 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: what did you do when faced with this? | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | anteaya, there's a more general case which other people might see | 18:54 |
| anteaya | dane_leblanc: do expand on that point | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | Let's say someone is introducing a new plugin | 18:54 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: i mentioned this on the mailing list, but we have a script that checks for certain conditions before voting | 18:54 |
| dane_leblanc | For some new hardware | 18:54 |
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| anteaya | kevinbenton: is your script available to others? | 18:55 |
| dane_leblanc | When we first start up the CI for this new plugin | 18:55 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: so we don’t vote if a patch is known to be broken with our CI for some reason | 18:55 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: no, it’s a really hacky bash script right now that checks for certain files, commit IDs, etc | 18:55 |
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| anteaya | kevinbenton: it sounds like a helpful concept, hacky though it might be | 18:55 |
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| anteaya | kevinbenton: are you willing to have it on stackforge so that others may use it and offer patches? | 18:55 |
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| kevinbenton | anteaya: possibly, but i wouldn’t be able to get to it for a couple of weeks | 18:56 |
| dane_leblanc | Is not voting the best choice, versus a "SKIPPED" vote? | 18:56 |
| kevinbenton | anteaya: the patch alone doesn’t make much sense, i would want to document how our CI works to see how it’s called | 18:56 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: if you are able to make the script available by public url, I can write the patch that creates the repo | 18:57 |
| anteaya | kevinbenton: that is fair | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | dane_leblanc: a good question | 18:57 |
| anteaya | what do others think? | 18:57 |
| dane_leblanc | "SKIPPED" might be more transparent, saying that "we see your patch, but can't test it now" | 18:57 |
| kevinbenton | dane_leblanc: skipped | 18:57 |
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| anteaya | one vote for skipped, anyone else? | 18:57 |
| dane_leblanc | skipped | 18:58 |
| anteaya | any other opinions here? | 18:58 |
| dane_leblanc | It would be good to have kevinbenton's solution on the wiki page for how to do CI | 18:58 |
| dane_leblanc | as a hint | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | yes, being able to see this as an option would be good | 18:58 |
| dane_leblanc | I was stuck on how to do this in a zuul/jenkins setup | 18:58 |
| kevinbenton | dane_leblanc: i’m not sure how well it integrates with the zuul approach though | 18:58 |
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| anteaya | moving to Open Discussion | 18:59 |
| dane_leblanc | Right | 18:59 |
| dane_leblanc | The zuul/jenkins needs a different solution | 18:59 |
| anteaya | #topic Open Discussion | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | 40 seconds | 18:59 |
| anteaya | anyone with anything? | 18:59 |
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| anteaya | okay, great meeting everyone | 18:59 |
| daya_k | has anyone gotten swift upload to work from zuul.conf settings? | 18:59 |
| NobodyCam | wow not a lot of Open Discussion time | 19:00 |
| anteaya | not today, no | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | lol :) | 19:00 |
| anteaya | be sure to put agenda items on the agenda | 19:00 |
| anteaya | time to wrap up | 19:00 |
| daya_k | np, i will bring up on other forums | 19:00 |
| anteaya | thanks everyone, see you next week | 19:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 19:00:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| krtaylor | bye all! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-25-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-25-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2014/third_party.2014-08-25-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
| mestery | bye! | 19:00 |
| daya_k | thx, bye | 19:00 |
| bmwiedemann | bye | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | thank you anteaya :) | 19:00 |
| bmwiedemann | anteaya: thank you for being | 19:00 |
| anteaya | thanks you NobodyCam | 19:01 |
| dane_leblanc | thank you! | 19:01 |
| anteaya | bmwiedemann: :D | 19:01 |
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| anteaya | dane_leblanc: thanks | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | ok Time for Ironic | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:01 |
| jroll | \o | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 19:01:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| NobodyCam | Roll-call: Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:01 |
| * jroll is | 19:01 | |
| mrda | o/ | 19:01 |
| adam_g | \o/ | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | me | 19:02 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:02 |
| * Shrews too | 19:02 | |
| wanyen | hi | 19:02 |
| rloo | me | 19:02 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | welcome all :) | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | announcements: | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | Devananda is still off burning thing in the desert. | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | as you may know our gate was again broken last week :( | 19:02 |
| Shrews | :( | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | rloo: are we borken again with the doc thing or is that a red harring? | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | :/ it's fixed now, but there's some inconsistencies with docs and py26 afaict | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | :/ | 19:03 |
| mrda | :( | 19:03 |
| rloo | I don't know how broken we are, but the doc thing seems to be broken a bit. | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | uggh | 19:03 |
| Shrews | rloo: i'll try to help you track down the doc thing after the meeting | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | we'll need to check on htat after the meeting | 19:03 |
| rloo | the py26 is out of our control it appears. I updated our etherpad. you can recheck if py26 fails | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | Ty Shrews :_ | 19:04 |
| rloo | Shrews: thx. | 19:04 |
| adam_g | are there bugs for either issues? | 19:04 |
| linggao | o/ | 19:04 |
| Shrews | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1361295 | 19:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1361295 in ironic "gate-ironic-docs failed due to TypeError from sphinx" [High,New] | 19:04 |
| rloo | yes, there are bugs. see etherpad. | 19:04 |
| adam_g | thanks | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | the doc thing would be good to check with ceilometer as well, they use the same docs as we do | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | sphinx with the wsme extension | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | oh good poing lucasagomes :) | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | point even | 19:05 |
| * adam_g wonders if PYTHONHASHSEED strikes again | 19:05 | |
| NobodyCam | no that landed this weekend | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | I saw it :-p | 19:05 |
| adam_g | in tempest | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | oh | 19:05 |
| adam_g | i mean, in ironic for the docs | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g: can you maybe help rloo and Shrews with that? | 19:06 |
| adam_g | tox -evenv -- python setup.py build_sphinx | 19:06 |
| adam_g | sure | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:06 |
| adam_g | ill throw up a patch now just to see if that eliminates the issue after a number of rechecks | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | awesome TY rloo Shrews ^^^^ | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | any other announcements? | 19:06 |
| rloo | thx adam_g; I am crossing my fingers. | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | lol :) | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | hah | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | if not we'll jump right in to it | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | #topic Release cycle progress report | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | Lucas that you | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | alright | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | #link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-3 | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | yeah I think it's me :) | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | stats: 7 Implemented, 5 Needs Code Review, 2 Started (no code upstream yet) | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | we have ~2 weeks until our feature freeze (Sep 4) | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | compared with last week we have 4 more blueprints implemeted this week :) | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | which is great! | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | woo hoo | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | two approved specs still have no code upstream yet :( | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | one is the Drac Managment Interface, and I'm helping with this one | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: anyone we can poke on those? | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | I'm planning to put the code upstream tomorrow! | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yup, will update about it | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | the other one is the Power Driver for SNMP | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | I sent an email to the author last thursday, and the tl;dr is | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | the driver is written and in use on their site but they need more time to refine and improve unit testing, also, he have not been through the company procedures for external code release yet | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | so I hope they can sort out the tests and the company thing, but there's some good chances that it's not going to make it :( | 19:10 |
| jroll | agree, I'd be shocked if that got in | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | all other bps seems to be in good shape, and have the code upstream | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | I think we are doing great job, the review jam last week was pretty good and I would like | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: are they requesting a ffe yet? | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | to do it again this week, if people agree with it (we can talk about time/day at the open-discussion) | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, not yet | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: +1 from me on jam | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, he said he will try to put the code up asap, but you know how things are inside companies | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | it may take a while | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | and I'll try and make the whole thing this time too | 19:11 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I think that's not worth it for an ffe? | 19:11 |
| jroll | +1 on a jam tomorrow | 19:11 |
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| lucasagomes | yeah that's a low priority bp | 19:11 |
| jroll | (or whenever) | 19:11 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: I agree was just checking to see if they had asked for one | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | so we well see when time comes, if there's no code until the last day, we may just block it until K | 19:12 |
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| lucasagomes | and that's pretty much it about the updates | 19:12 |
| jroll | +1 | 19:12 |
| lucasagomes | let's keep with the reviews :) | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | great update lucasagomes thank you | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | any questions / comments for lucasagomes ? | 19:12 |
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| NobodyCam | ok then moving on :) | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: integration & testing work | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | thats you? | 19:13 |
| wanyen | ilo drivers are having doc issue. Will the revew jam reivew code that have doc issue? | 19:13 |
| adam_g | heya | 19:13 |
| jroll | wanyen: yes, that's a known bug | 19:14 |
| adam_g | so we're in the final stretch for our CI/QA goals for this cycle | 19:14 |
| jroll | wanyen: we're looking into it, no worries | 19:14 |
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| NobodyCam | wanyen: lets tough on that in open discussion | 19:14 |
| wanyen | jroll. ty | 19:14 |
| adam_g | we should hopefully be wrapping up our tempest and grenade work this week | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g: w00t :) | 19:14 |
| mrda | yay | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | niiiice | 19:14 |
| adam_g | and have a new grenade job popping up in our pipeline hopefully before FF | 19:14 |
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| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ironic_tempest,n,z | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | sweet | 19:15 |
| adam_g | (2 patches left to merge there) | 19:15 |
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| dtantsur | great! | 19:15 |
| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ironic_grenade,n,z | 19:15 |
| adam_g | (a few more there) | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | adam_g: do you need ny help pingging folks on getting the two patches reviewed, or are you doing good there? | 19:15 |
| adam_g | confident we should be wrapping this up this week and getting the infra changes put in place to turn the job on | 19:15 |
| adam_g | NobodyCam, i think we are okay now that everyone from qa is back from conference travel | 19:16 |
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| jroll | adam_g: are you pushing to get this in this week as well? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112134 | 19:16 |
| adam_g | jroll, yeah, thanks for reminding. looks like it needs a rebase | 19:16 |
| jroll | (I'm relying on that for getting IPA jobs in) | 19:16 |
| jroll | yeah | 19:16 |
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| jroll | adam_g: if you're fine with it, I can help babysit that one | 19:16 |
| adam_g | jroll, is the IPA stuff ready and blocked? | 19:16 |
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| jroll | adam_g: devstack-gate patch has 1 +2, then I can land infra/config changes that depend on 112134 | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:17 |
| adam_g | jroll, okay, ill rebase it now and check with shrews after meeting about some minor concerns about coordinating the merge /w other things. i think we're okay, but want to check (dont want to risk gate breakage again) | 19:17 |
| jroll | I have some other work up after that; specifically IPA repo gate jobs, that stuff needs some more love before I can land it though | 19:17 |
| jroll | adam_g: cool, just making sure it's on your radar :) | 19:18 |
| jroll | thanks | 19:18 |
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| NobodyCam | any other q/c? | 19:18 |
| adam_g | thats all from me | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | awesome Ty adam_g :) | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | moving on downhte road | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Bug team | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SubTeam: Bug team (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:19 | |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur thats you? | 19:19 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ | 19:20 |
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| dtantsur | people like numbers, so here are some numbers: Open: 136 (+3). 8 new (0), 41 in progress (+6), 0 critical, 16 high (+1) and 5 incomplete (-3) | 19:20 |
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| dtantsur | amount of bugs is not decreasing. also, I forgot to ping people who promised me to help with triaging smth nova-related | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | dtantsur: we should add a catagory for broke our gate | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | heh | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | if we create a tag in launchpad | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | :) | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | and one more thing from me: | 19:21 |
| dtantsur | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IIe0cnnJ5L possible candidates for Juno 3 | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | ah nice | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | these are my ideas, what could also be prioritized | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | feel free to add/delete/edit | 19:22 |
| jroll | cool | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | #link http://ironic-bugs.divius.net/ shows which bugs still have 'New' status | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | please cross out do not just delete :) | 19:22 |
| dtantsur | (some are cached, so don't be surprised) | 19:23 |
| dtantsur | that's all I wanted to tell you | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | great Thank you dtantsur :) | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | questions / comments for dtantsur | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | ? | 19:24 |
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| jroll | just one thing | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | if not we'll move on too: | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Ironic Python Agent | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll go | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | "-p | 19:24 |
| jroll | I'd like to go over those bugs in the review jam | 19:24 |
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| jroll | and target as needed | 19:24 |
| jroll | :) | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: the one's on hte etherpad? | 19:24 |
| jroll | so, IPA | 19:24 |
| dtantsur | jroll, right, I posted today for everyone to prepare :) | 19:24 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: indeed | 19:25 |
| jroll | on the IPA front... not much new | 19:25 |
| jroll | still working on CI | 19:25 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ipa-todos | 19:25 |
| JayF | jroll: should-we-release questions? should they be brought up here or wait? | 19:25 |
| jroll | ^ reviews are mentioned there | 19:25 |
| jroll | JayF: yeah, we should, I'll let you talk about that :) | 19:25 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, I think it's related so +1 | 19:26 |
| JayF | just generally wondering what folks think about how IPA should be released | 19:26 |
| rameshg87 | jroll, NobodyCam, i have one point to bring | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | yea ipa questions go _here_ | 19:26 |
| JayF | initially the idea was releases would be cut like with clietns | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | rameshg87: for IPA? | 19:26 |
| JayF | but there's rarely a good natural place to cut an agent release | 19:26 |
| rameshg87 | jroll, NobodyCam, the ilo-virtualmedia-ipa driver requires a change in ipa : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115275/ | 19:26 |
| JayF | aside from release time with ironic | 19:26 |
| dtantsur | I didn't think of it | 19:26 |
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| JayF | so I wonder if we should tag a stable branch for a juno agent, and do a 'release' | 19:26 |
| jroll | rameshg87: it's on my radar, last time I looked it was WIP :) | 19:27 |
| dtantsur | sorry, posted earlier | 19:27 |
| JayF | *I* would never use that, but wanted to check with folks who have other usaeg patterns | 19:27 |
| rameshg87 | jroll, thanks, its fully functional code which you can review now | 19:27 |
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| dtantsur | I wanted to say (and I barely manage my keyboard already) that distro folks may need some "know good version for J/K/..." | 19:27 |
| jroll | dtantsur: well, I highly disagree there should be deb/rpm/etc | 19:28 |
| jroll | but imbw | 19:28 |
| rloo | jroll: would it hurt to do that? ie, if it is useful for folks and only a minor inconvenience for you to do it, why not? | 19:28 |
| dtantsur | jroll, what do you propose for them? | 19:28 |
| JayF | Well, if the distro did something like build a deploy ramdisk and make that rpm/deb installable, that would be OK | 19:28 |
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| JayF | but I don't think I would personally ever condone being able to apt-get install ironic-python-agent and have ipa installed, as a python module, in the distro directories | 19:28 |
| jroll | yeah, I guess it could be used in a ramdisk build | 19:28 |
| jroll | but agree with JayF | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | JayF: vs packaging up the scripts to build the image? | 19:29 |
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| JayF | if someone is doing a ramdisk build, having a release cut and in pypi would be useful | 19:29 |
| JayF | NobodyCam: What other distro packages fit that pattern? | 19:29 |
| JayF | NobodyCam: install a binary package to build an image for something? | 19:29 |
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| JayF | I just can't think of any, so it leads me to think folks may just do that one their own... I know I would | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | any src package | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | ironic-ipa-source-rpm | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | s/-rpm/.rpm/ | 19:30 |
| dtantsur | I think it should not be RPM/Deb but we still need some "know good version for J" somewhere, I guess | 19:30 |
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| jroll | agree | 19:30 |
| jroll | we should tag a release | 19:31 |
| jroll | put on pypi | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | jroll want an action item for that? | 19:31 |
| dtantsur | jroll, ++ | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | sounds good | 19:31 |
| jroll | we should probably hit the mailing list too, to see what others think | 19:31 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: sure | 19:31 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: although the actual tagging is a long way out | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | #action IPA looking into how to cut a know good version for J | 19:32 |
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| NobodyCam | that work ^^ | 19:32 |
| jroll | sure | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | great update. any q/c for the IPA team | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | okay moving on to: | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Oslo | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | Ghe | 19:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SubTeam: Oslo (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:33 | |
| NobodyCam | is that you? | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | are you here? | 19:33 |
| * jroll will be back in 5 or so | 19:34 | |
| NobodyCam | ack TY jroll | 19:34 |
| GheRivero | here but nothing to report | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | :) woo hoo.. .no news is good news | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:34 |
| dtantsur | :) | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you GheRivero | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | questions / comments for GheRivero ? | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | nope... moving on to: | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | #topic SubTeam: Nova Driver status | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | mrda thats you | 19:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "SubTeam: Nova Driver status (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:35 | |
| mrda | hey | 19:35 |
| mrda | So a number of changes to the driver were required in the last week , both internal and external, which have all been applied. I've also been fixing up various | 19:35 |
| mrda | Nova check failures. | 19:35 |
| mrda | Hopefully there will be less churn this coming week. | 19:35 |
| mrda | But I have struck a git issue yesterday. During fixing a rebase conflict I accidentilly squashed a change by 'committing' when I should have 'continued'. So now I need to replay the sequence of patches on top of the pre-conflict patch to fix the dependencies. | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | mrda: i have a patch up that I was going to bring up in Open Discussion but prob should bring up here | 19:36 |
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| mrda | sure | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116316 | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116316 | 19:36 |
| * mrda looks | 19:37 | |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, we need it as part of graduation? | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | I am not sure that is the correct place for that review? | 19:37 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: I think so | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I think we could just put that on nova directly no? | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | like at the end of the chain or something | 19:37 |
| mrda | It probably could be added to the end of the chain | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: thats why I pointed it out to mrda | 19:38 |
| rloo | why at the end of the chain? our chain doesn't touch that file? | 19:38 |
| mrda | because it would be dependent on everything else being in | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | mrda: and nova bm being out | 19:38 |
| rloo | so it can be a separate patch that depends on the chain, but not part of the chain? | 19:38 |
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| mrda | rloo: I think so | 19:38 |
| rloo | ie, I don't want that patch to cause the rest of the chain not to be approved/merged. | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, I don't think the driver has anything to do with that change, that's more about proxying nova bm commands to ironic | 19:38 |
| NobodyCam | ya I would not include it with the driver patches | 19:39 |
| mrda | correct, but we don't want the nova proxy to land until we have a ironic driver in nova, right? | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | nova bm should be removed before it lands | 19:39 |
| rloo | lucasagomes: right, so it shouldn't be put 'at the end of the chain'. it isn't part of that chain, but it needs that chain as a dependency. | 19:39 |
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| rloo | NobodyCam: fwiw, there are other patches that are -2 | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | rloo, right... well it should merge after the driver is merged, but in a different topic | 19:40 |
| rloo | d cuz they are nova changes. | 19:40 |
| mrda | NobodyCam: I'm not sure nova bm is going to be removed for a cycle | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | afaict | 19:40 |
| mrda | ie nova bm will exist for a while in tree even afer ironic lands | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | mrda: we will need to figure out how and when that needs to land | 19:40 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: we should discuss that proxy patch. if you make the change to baremetal_nodes, and BM is removed at some point, will we still need to proxy those nova bm commands? | 19:40 |
| mrda | of whether it is switchable? | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | I wouldnn't want to remove the nova bm commands untill nova bm is actually removed | 19:41 |
| mrda | s/of/or/ | 19:41 |
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| mrda | NobodyCam: right, which might be anotgher cycle | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | we could add a switch and let operators set it | 19:41 |
| mrda | +1 | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | but I think we have time on that patch to work it out | 19:42 |
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| mrda | I agree | 19:42 |
| mrda | So hopefully no more actual changes to the driver :) | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | mrda: do you need any help poking folks for reviews on hte nova patches? | 19:42 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: I'm curious if that's going to get blocked by "feature freeze" that has already happened in nova | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, +1 /me fingers crossed! | 19:43 |
| mrda | So I hope to resolve the rebase issue today, then it'll be back to bugging Nova. That should be fine. I'll holler if I need help. | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: nova team requested it... we have it, so I'm not sure | 19:43 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: hm, ok :) | 19:43 |
| mrda | The hardest part is fixing my squashed patch :-S | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: are you in nova meeting this week? | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, oh, I forgot that, when is it? yeah I can go this week | 19:44 |
| mrda | I can attend Nova this week. 6:30am is a fine timeslot for me | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | lol :( | 19:44 |
| jroll | "fine" | 19:44 |
| jroll | :P | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | mrda, heh not that fine, if needed I can join there for u | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | might be worth askin about how we want ot handle that patch | 19:44 |
| mrda | It's better than 2:30am or whatever | 19:44 |
| mrda | it was last week | 19:44 |
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| NobodyCam | :/ | 19:45 |
| mrda | lucasagomes: I'll be there, but you are also welcome to join, of course :) | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | ack... I will put on my calendar | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | awesome Thank you lucasagomes and mrda :) | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | any other questions / comments on nova driver stuff? | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | Thank you for the great report mrda :) | 19:46 |
| mrda | thanks :) | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | ok we added this one last week: | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Outstanding items for graduation | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | I had the proxy patch listed here but we talked about it already | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | so | 19:47 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo/edit?usp=sharing | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | any one have ANY concerns or comments? | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | questions too :) | 19:48 |
| rloo | how's the DB migration stuff? | 19:48 |
| rloo | and the horizon panel, is that going well? | 19:48 |
| rloo | do we need the onductor take-over for graduation? | 19:48 |
| * jroll checks on horizon | 19:48 | |
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| NobodyCam | take over I don't believe so | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | has romcheg been on line? | 19:49 |
| JoshNang | for horizon, aweeks has been hammering away on it. i don't think there's anything submitted yet, but i'll give him a hand this week and have some patches by next meeting | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | the horizon is not part of graduation is it? | 19:49 |
| jroll | lucasagomes: it is | 19:49 |
| mrda | lucasagomes: no | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | :O | 19:49 |
| jroll | wait | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | hah... well I don't think it is | 19:49 |
| jroll | oh, right, we have to have some things proposed | 19:49 |
| jroll | but not landed | 19:49 |
| jroll | chicken/egg thing | 19:50 |
| JoshNang | ^ | 19:50 |
| mrda | So horizon won't take patches from non graduated projects | 19:50 |
| jroll | I think it's more of a "good faith effort toward it" | 19:50 |
| mrda | correct | 19:50 |
| mrda | so it can merge soon afterwards | 19:50 |
| JoshNang | so we'll show some good faith work this week | 19:50 |
| rloo | maybe someone could update that and add a comment about chicken/egg, proposed but ok if not landed? | 19:50 |
| jroll | sure | 19:50 |
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| mrda | rloo: On whiteboard? | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | Ty jroll :) | 19:51 |
| rloo | mrda: on that google doc link | 19:51 |
| rloo | mrda: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hxyfy60hN_Fit0b-plsPzK6yW3ePQC5IfwuzJwltlbo/edit#gid=1357128775 | 19:51 |
| wanyen | who is working on ironic horizon? UEFI boot mode might need changes to horizon work | 19:51 |
| JoshNang | wanyen: aweeks and i | 19:51 |
| mrda | rloo: thnx | 19:51 |
| wanyen | does horizon allow a user to specify which boot mode to deploy? | 19:51 |
| NobodyCam | anyone need help with ANYTHING for graduation readyness? | 19:52 |
| jroll | wanyen: it won't land in juno, so don't worry about it yet | 19:52 |
| jroll | wanyen: (anything with horizon at all) | 19:52 |
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| wanyen | jroll, when is horizon work targeted toland? | 19:52 |
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| jroll | wanyen: kilo, assuming ironic graduates in juno | 19:53 |
| wanyen | jroll, I see. tx | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: horizon will not accept our patches until we graduate no? | 19:53 |
| aweeks | jroll: I assume you're referring to the horizon patches (such as they are)? | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | at least thats what I thought | 19:53 |
| mrda | That's my understanding | 19:53 |
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| NobodyCam | any thing else on graduation? | 19:54 |
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| jroll | NobodyCam: right, so horizon work will land the cycle after we graduate, yes? | 19:54 |
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| jroll | (which hopefully will mean kilo) | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | thats what I thought | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | the nova bm to ironic job upgrade is in | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | ok with our last 5 minutes | 19:55 |
| clarkb | so you can start running it as experimental | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | awesome TY clarkb | 19:55 |
| jroll | nice, thanks clarkb | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | clarkb: 'check experimental' to run it | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | ok with our last four minutes: | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:56 |
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| clarkb | yup against grenade devstack and devstack gate iirc | 19:56 |
| clarkb | maybe ironic too | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | awesome TY clarkb | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | nicee | 19:56 |
| mrda | thanks clarkb! | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | #action test nova bm -> ironic upgrade with 'check experimental' | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | any Food for Thought? | 19:57 |
| jroll | I thought I had something... lost it | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | just to toss it out there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1325942 | 19:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1325942 in ironic "Ironic should support IPv6" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | two minutes | 19:58 |
| jroll | NobodyCam: :( | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 19:58 |
| rloo | NobodyCam: kilo | 19:58 |
| jroll | we should start puting together things we want to do in paris, soon | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | jroll: ++ | 19:58 |
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| lucasagomes | yup +1 | 19:59 |
| JayF | FWIW; the decom talk from myself and JoshNang was accepted for the Summit | 19:59 |
| JoshNang | \o/ | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | nice :) | 19:59 |
| jroll | we've confirmed from our team that at a minimum, JayF, JoshNang, and I will be there | 19:59 |
| dtantsur | jealous :) | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | ah nice! | 19:59 |
| JayF | what jroll is saying is his talk was accepted too :) | 19:59 |
| jroll | heh | 19:59 |
| jroll | :P | 19:59 |
| JayF | just apparently learned how to be modest today | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | nice :) | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | and thats time | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | great meeting everyone | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | congrats :) | 20:00 |
| jroll | thanks everybody! | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | thank you | 20:00 |
| dtantsur | thanks! | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 20:00:28 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-08-25-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-08-25-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-08-25-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
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| nati_ueno | hi | 20:58 |
| marun | hi | 20:58 |
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| mestery | hi | 20:58 |
| armax | yello | 20:58 |
| banix | Hi | 20:58 |
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| Swami | hi | 20:59 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:00 |
| emagana | hello from San Antonio | 21:00 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
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| ajo_ | hi :) | 21:01 |
| mestery | OK, lets get started. | 21:01 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 25 21:01:11 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:01 |
| dougwig | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kevinbenton | HI | 21:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
| lyxus | o/ | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | O/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
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| b3nt_pin | `o | 21:01 |
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| mestery | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/juno-3 Juno-3 | 21:01 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:01 |
| mestery | We're approaching the end of Juno now. | 21:01 |
| mestery | Feature Freeze is September 4, next week. | 21:02 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: it’s actually the end of Augusto ;) | 21:02 |
| mestery | Any features which haven't merged will be moved out of Juno and back into the Kilo pile. | 21:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi | 21:02 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Next Thursday (9-4) is Feature Freeze :) | 21:02 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Ah, got it. ;) | 21:02 |
| mestery | We have a lot of code to review and try to merge | 21:02 |
| mestery | And the gate is under heavy load at the moment | 21:03 |
| mestery | The check queue is over 200 at this moment in fact | 21:03 |
| mestery | Any questions on the end of Juno at this point? | 21:03 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: idk. But I think we still have 84 targeted blueprints and we’d start to let know people that some of them can’t possibly merge. | 21:04 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I actually bumped some out, we only have 66 | 21:04 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: thanks. I was actually asking for trimming the number | 21:05 |
| salv-orlando | you must be able to read my mind. | 21:05 |
| emagana | mestery: +1 | 21:05 |
| marun | 66 still seems like an awful lot. | 21:05 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: But it's true, we'll be lucky to merge even 10 or so if things progress as normal. | 21:05 |
| rkukura | mestery, salv-orlando: Did all 66 make the FPF? | 21:05 |
| mestery | rkukura: I think so, yes. | 21:05 |
| marun | I've seen more than a few examples that technically met the FPF but are in no shape to be merged. | 21:05 |
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| mestery | marun: In those cases, please put a -2 on the patch, if a FPF patch was rushed, then we should focus on other BPs which are in better hsape. Fair? | 21:06 |
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| kevinbenton | marun: that's what the review is for :-) | 21:06 |
| marun | mestery: very much so. And any patch author that receives a -2 is welcome to argue their case - it's by no means final. | 21:06 |
| mestery | marun: Agreed. | 21:07 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery, marun: I would say that it’s more than fine to focus exclusively on blueprints whose code is in good shape. | 21:07 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ++, | 21:07 |
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| mestery | One other note here, starting the week after next we'll be going with the rotating meeting schedule for this meeting, per the email thread on the list. | 21:07 |
| mestery | I'll post more details on that this week. | 21:07 |
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| mestery | I'd also like to change the format of this meeting to be more issue focused rather than sub-team rollup focused, the change will coincide with the meeting time change. | 21:08 |
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| mestery | Any other announcements for the team? | 21:08 |
| banix | What's the deadline for bug fixes? | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | banix: release day! | 21:08 |
| ajo__ | :) | 21:08 |
| * mestery thinks everyone always wants to know the very latest they can land code. :) | 21:09 | |
| banix | Ok thx. | 21:09 |
| mestery | banix: What salv-orlando said ;) | 21:09 |
| mestery | #topic Bugs | 21:09 |
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| mestery | enikanorov: Hi, are you around? | 21:09 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: How is the gate holding up from a neutron perspective this week so far? | 21:10 |
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| mestery | Does anyone else have any bugs they want to bring up in this slot? | 21:11 |
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| mestery | #topic Neutron CI Systems | 21:11 |
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| mestery | dane_leblanc: Here? | 21:11 |
| emagana | mestery: Hi There! | 21:12 |
| dane_leblanc | Hi | 21:12 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: Can you give an update to the team from the third party meeting? emagana, hi! :)( | 21:12 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: This is on the issue you raised on the mailing list and at the third party meeting today. | 21:12 |
| dane_leblanc | Question came up about what to do when a Ci was blocked on a bug fix | 21:12 |
| mestery | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg32385.html | 21:12 |
| dane_leblanc | Consensus was to vote "SKIPPED" rather than not at all for changes that don't contain the fix | 21:12 |
| dane_leblanc | There's a section in the Neutron 3rd party CI wiki | 21:13 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting | 21:13 |
| dane_leblanc | If people can check it out | 21:13 |
| dane_leblanc | Would be good to get consensus | 21:13 |
| dougwig | we need to figure out a mechanism for that with zuul. | 21:13 |
| salv-mobile | Does Skipped refer to a failing test or the whole job? | 21:13 |
| mestery | dougwig: ++ | 21:13 |
| dane_leblanc | kevinbenton has some ideas on how to do that | 21:13 |
| emagana | kevinbenton: Did you post your proposal on the ML? | 21:14 |
| dane_leblanc | Skipped for skipping the entire testing for the changes without a fix | 21:14 |
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| kevinbenton | Not here. Mobile ATM so can't type much | 21:14 |
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| emagana | kevinbenton: N.p. I will be good to include it in the same thread | 21:14 |
| dane_leblanc | I'm trying kevinbenton's proposal on a zuul/jenkins setup | 21:15 |
| dane_leblanc | Will add a hint on the wiki if it works | 21:15 |
| salv-mobile | Sounds a bit if an overkill unless the bug is causing failures in most of the tests you run | 21:15 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: Your feedback on the approach will be good to get. | 21:15 |
| SumitNaiksatam | kevinbenton’s post to the ML: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043636.html | 21:15 |
| dougwig | dane_leblanc: can you msg me the suggestion, and i can also try it out? | 21:15 |
| mestery | salv-mobile: I believe that was the case, yes, it was failing most of the tests. dane_leblanc, correct me if I'm wroing. | 21:15 |
| emagana | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks! | 21:15 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043636.html | 21:15 |
| dane_leblanc | salv-mobile: One example is a new plugin for which plugin code is not yet merged | 21:16 |
| mestery | SumitNaiksatam: thanks for the link ;) | 21:16 |
| * salv-orlando btw I will talk about the gate in open discussion | 21:16 | |
| kevinbenton | Yes, failing all for a period of time | 21:16 |
| mestery | salv-mobile: thanks :) | 21:16 |
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| dane_leblanc | And let's say your hardware depends on enabling code in your plugin, which isn't merged yet | 21:16 |
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| dane_leblanc | Then all other changes will fail on your testbed | 21:16 |
| mestery | dane_leblanc: Thanks for driving this one, I know you've been working hard on this for the past week. | 21:17 |
| dane_leblanc | mestery: thanks | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | dane_leblanc: so it’s more about how to prove your CI is working even if the code it needs to test is not yet merged. | 21:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: +1 | 21:17 |
| SumitNaiksatam | dane_leblanc: thanks! | 21:17 |
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| dane_leblanc | salv-orlando: We still want to test against the plugin | 21:18 |
| dane_leblanc | while it's being reviewed | 21:18 |
| * mestery is seeing multiple salv's in this meeting. | 21:18 | |
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| emagana | mestery: Do you want to discuss all other CI systems? | 21:18 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: thanks not a bad thing! :-) | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | dane_leblanc: definetely. my take is that CIs needs to be extensive and accurate, and we should be strict about them - but not pedant | 21:18 |
| mestery | emagana: Lets use this slot, yes. | 21:18 |
| Sukhdev | dane_leblanc: I usually update my CI to include such patch and apply the patch before running tests - does it make sense? | 21:18 |
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| salv-orlando | it sounds like you’re having this problem because it’s been required to vote on ALL patches | 21:19 |
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| dane_leblanc | Yes, but even if it's required just on one section of Neutron | 21:19 |
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| mestery | emagana: Did you want to discuss other CI systems now? | 21:20 |
| emagana | mestery: Yes! | 21:20 |
| emagana | On the third-party CIs review, great response from most of the CI owners. | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | dane_leblanc: correct, but I would like to avoid eccessive pedantry. I think it would be enough proof for me to see that a CI leaves a simple comment stating “sorry I can’t test anything in this patch" | 21:21 |
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| emagana | However, there are still few CIs that are not fulfilling the minimal requirements for Juno.. SO, what will be the action to taken for those CIs? | 21:21 |
| mestery | emagana: They will be marked as untested in the release notes at a minimum | 21:22 |
| emagana | to be taken* | 21:22 |
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| mestery | What do others think here? | 21:22 |
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| nati_ueno | +1 | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: if you send a warning notice on the mailing list with the requirements it won’t come as a surprise to the various maintainers | 21:23 |
| emagana | mestery: I am fine with that. I will also propose for the next summit (I mentioned before) to have a short session on third-party testing requirements | 21:23 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I'll send another warning notice, though this isn't new, I sent emails in June/July that this was coming. | 21:23 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: But another warning isn't a bad idea. | 21:23 |
| lyxus | emagana, I think you already sent a notice on a the mailing list. So it's not a surprise. | 21:23 |
| salv-orlando | also I’ve seen a trend towards assuming 3rd party CIs should “tend to” the upstream CI. | 21:23 |
| emagana | mestery: All the questions and experiences that I have been collected will be used as baseline for the requirements but this time the removing code action will be enforced! | 21:24 |
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| salv-orlando | I think our goal is not to force plugin/driver maintainers to do continuois development | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | * continuous | 21:24 |
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| emagana | lyxus: indeed | 21:24 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Our goal is to ensure they meet the third party requirements as documented on the wiki if they want to be upstream. | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | The goal of 3rd party CIs is to prove the stuff which is in the source code tree works, is reasonably efficients and does not bitrot | 21:24 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: +2 | 21:25 |
| mestery | That's what the wiki requirements are trying to enforce. If people feel the requirements there don't, we should update the wiki. | 21:25 |
| lyxus | salv-orlando, agree and not pollute the reviews... | 21:25 |
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| emagana | mestery: I have not received any negative feedback yet about the minimal requirements for Juno | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: my point is simply that I’m seeing more emphasis on how CIs run the tests rather than on which tests the CI run | 21:26 |
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| salv-orlando | I would remark that the latest bit is the most important… I hope that’s a shared feeling | 21:26 |
| emagana | mestery: On the contrary, based on those discussions I have seen improvement on most of the CI staff | 21:26 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Yes, I get it, lets make sure the wiki reflects the importance of which tests to run. | 21:26 |
| mestery | emagana: Good, then we're helping here :) | 21:26 |
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| emagana | mestery: I will continue the audit at least every other week | 21:27 |
| mestery | emagana: cool, thanks! | 21:27 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: I think the wiki is fine, no worries. | 21:27 |
| emagana | Until we reach Kilo and have a proper process in place | 21:27 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: I think emagana did update the wiki with that informaiton - i.e. what tests to run | 21:27 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: Thanks for reviewing the wiki! | 21:27 |
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| lyxus | emagana, For the audit, just give it couple of hours for the CI running -1 manually | 21:27 |
| mestery | emagana: We need to continue working with the broader community here, we have the most drivers/plugins, but what we're doing is applicable to nova and cinder at the least as well. | 21:27 |
| emagana | lyxus: You got it! | 21:28 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: That information was there a while back. | 21:28 |
| * salv-orlando seems like recentyl everyone wants a process for everything. | 21:28 | |
| emagana | mestery: Absolutely, this is why I want to bring this to the summit! | 21:28 |
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| songole | emagana: What is the link to the wiki? | 21:28 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: He further updated it last week - with Juno requirements and listed the minimal set of tests required | 21:28 |
| * mestery feels like a government employee | 21:28 | |
| emagana | mestery: Anyway, enough on CI.. let's move forward | 21:28 |
| marun | salv-orlando: you mean more process isn't the solution to all our problems? ;) | 21:28 |
| emagana | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron_Plugins_and_Drivers#Existing_Plugin_and_Drivers | 21:29 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: This wiki? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronThirdPartyTesting | 21:29 |
| Sukhdev | mestery: ha ha - which Govt. ? | 21:29 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery: yes - see Juno Relese Minimal Requirements section - I think this is new | 21:29 |
| emagana | songole: Both wiki are related to the CI staff | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | marun: I think more process is the way to trick yourself into believing you’ve solved a problem | 21:29 |
| mestery | Our wiki is a mess. | 21:29 |
| mestery | Argh. | 21:29 |
| songole | emagana: thanks. | 21:29 |
| * mestery takes a note to update the wiki. | 21:29 | |
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| mestery | Ok, lets move on now. | 21:29 |
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| * mestery doesn't see markmcclain here for a parity update ... | 21:30 | |
| emagana | mestery: Thanks for the time! | 21:30 |
| mestery | emagana: Sure! | 21:30 |
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| mestery | emagana: But stand at the ready sir ... | 21:30 |
| mestery | #topic Docs | 21:30 |
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| mestery | emagana: See what I did there? | 21:30 |
| emagana | mestery: Lol.... Ok.... Interesting news! | 21:30 |
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| emagana | On the docs side, we will completely change the Admin Guide... it is really messy | 21:31 |
| mestery | markmcclain: We'll come back to parity :) | 21:31 |
| mestery | emagana: Yikes | 21:31 |
| emagana | The proposal of having a Networking specific guide will not happen (still to be confirmed) we have enough guides already and one more will complicate things even mroe | 21:31 |
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| emagana | more* | 21:31 |
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| * mestery thinks guides are like policies ... | 21:32 | |
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| emagana | On the vendors specific side, there is a proposal to remove all vendor specific staff from the admin guide as well... is still on the table and will be bring to the ML | 21:32 |
| salv-orlando | mestery: if you mean that they’re meant to help people understanding stuff by confusing them more, you’re probably right. | 21:33 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: You said it, not me. :) | 21:33 |
| emagana | I want to thank carl_baldwin for giving us a good set of reference document for the DVR documentation | 21:33 |
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| mestery | emagana: +1, nice work carl_baldwin! | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | emagana: yw | 21:33 |
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| emagana | I have a meeting with annegentle and phil H. to go over DVR | 21:34 |
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| Swami | please let us know if you need any additional information on DVR | 21:34 |
| emagana | After, Juno-3 the amount of work on Docs will increase.. so stay tune | 21:34 |
| emagana | Swami: I will for sure ;-) | 21:34 |
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| emagana | mestery: Done! | 21:35 |
| mestery | emagana: Agreed, we'll need to really get some focus on docs soon. | 21:35 |
| mestery | emagana: Thanks again for the update! | 21:35 |
| mestery | #topic Parity | 21:35 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Hi there! | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | mestery: hi | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | so a late update is that we had a good chat with the operators at the ops meetup about migration | 21:36 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Awesome! | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | helped to better define a few of the parameters they'd like to see for kilo | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | otherwise we're on track for Juno | 21:37 |
| salv-orlando | what about those parameters? | 21:38 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Will the nova team agree to saying nova-network is deprecated starting in Juno? | 21:38 |
| * salv-orlando bets no | 21:38 | |
| markmcclain | mestery: still working on that | 21:38 |
| emagana | Networking discussion during Ops Meet-up #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SAT-ops-networking | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | there is general agreement that functional parity exists | 21:38 |
| mestery | markmcclain: cool | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | performance testing is needed to get better numbers there | 21:39 |
| marun | Yeah, I'm not sure there is grounds to deprecate so long as Neutron can't match nova network in the scalability department. | 21:39 |
| * sc68cal needs to propse that "hug it out" design summit session to help fix perceived nova/neutron friction | 21:39 | |
| mestery | marun: Can you share those scalability numbers? I've not seen any for nova-network :) | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: obviously I’m more interested in the disagreements. Especially when it comes to subjective vs objective judgment. Maybe can you share something on the ml later on? | 21:40 |
| marun | markmcclain: Any updates on the shared scalability lab? | 21:40 |
| mestery | sc68cal: No friction, we're in good shape actually between the teams. | 21:40 |
| marun | sc68cal: It's not a matter of friction, just that nova network continues to be a good choice for scale when its limitations can be lived with. | 21:40 |
| ajo__ | I need to put more work tomorrow in making the RPC refactor for the security groups in shape, that should help scalability a lot, | 21:40 |
| salv-orlando | From what I gathere so far we were talking about a perception based on operators reports regarding scalability and performance | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | mestery, sc68cal: agreed the team are communicating well | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | ajo_: yes that work will help | 21:41 |
| salv-orlando | I seem to have discussed with somebody ideas to get realistic numbers using a simulator or something like that? | 21:41 |
| marun | salv-orlando: I don't think it's perception. We need reproduceable tests showing that neutron's reference implementation is workable at scale. | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: yes will craft an email | 21:41 |
| marun | perception -> just perception | 21:41 |
| * mestery hates when we use "reference implementation" ... | 21:41 | |
| mestery | I would argue neutron's in-tree implementation | 21:42 |
| marun | mestery: what would you prefer to call it? | 21:42 |
| salv-orlando | marun: I was pointing that there are no number yet we can quote as a reference. | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | 1st party driver :) | 21:42 |
| mestery | Reference to me implies it's not designed to scale, but now I'm arguing pedantry here. | 21:42 |
| mestery | marun: ++ | 21:42 |
| mestery | markmcclain: ++ | 21:42 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: So was I | 21:42 |
| marun | haha | 21:42 |
| sc68cal | maybe it's just me who needs to hug it out then | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | so we do have people deploying various components that we can get real world numbers | 21:42 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: You can call it built-in backend if you want | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | also at the ops meetup there were more teams deploying neutron than nova-net | 21:43 |
| mestery | markmcclain: That's an interesting data point. | 21:43 |
| marun | I don't see why it's so hard to define a (sorry) reference deployment, test with nova network, and then work to ensure that neutron can handle that scale too. | 21:43 |
| emagana | Neutron 25 - Nova-network 9 | 21:44 |
| marun | Numbers from real deployments are only so useful when we need to be able to iterate on improvements. | 21:44 |
| ajo__ | marun++ | 21:44 |
| mestery | marun: I think that's what the canonical people did with icehouse, right? James Page posted a blog on that, and where neutron fell apart compared to nova-network | 21:44 |
| marun | mestery: something like that, but we need to work harder at reproduceability | 21:44 |
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| mestery | marun: I think the main issue they hit on neutron was SG scaling, which we hopefully can fix in juno yet. | 21:44 |
| mestery | marun: I agree 100% | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | marun: It’s not hard for me as well. I just think we need to find a few people willing to work on this. Do the testbed, define metrics, collect data, analyzie data, publish data | 21:44 |
| mestery | marun: And having a way to test this througout the cycle would help as well. | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | marun: so that is part of the plan also we need to properly model control plane so that we can construct some tests we can use for detecting regressions in the gate | 21:44 |
| ajo__ | mestery, for the numbers, it looked to me like they were hitting the RPC message sizes | 21:44 |
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| mestery | ajo__: Agreed | 21:45 |
| marun | salv-orlando: I understand that this is coming, that hp, dell et al are going to donate hardware to a scale lab and devote resources to define a reproduceable scale test. | 21:45 |
| marun | salv-orlando: these things always take too long, though :/ | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | marun: ah I remember I had that conversation with you now! | 21:45 |
| ajo__ | It would be good to have some metrics we can automate and test on bare-metal on CI, | 21:45 |
| * mestery wants more information on the scale lab. | 21:45 | |
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| ajo__ | to have indicators on scalability, if something changes for bad, we know it.. | 21:46 |
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| salv-orlando | anyway sg also had an issue that ml2 triggered their update a gazillion of times, which has been solved too. | 21:46 |
| mestery | ajo__: ++, running this throught the cycle to track where things break would be good. | 21:46 |
| marun | mestery: you're not the only one. | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | if you couple that with the RPC thing it must have been a nightmare when you had thousands of vms on the default security group | 21:46 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: ++ | 21:47 |
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| salv-orlando | ajo_, marun: I have a feeling we would be stepping a bit into the benchmarking area, where there are already people actively working on that. | 21:47 |
| mestery | OK, lots of good discussion in the parity area this week. | 21:48 |
| ajo__ | salv-orlando, it doesn't mean we have to design and make specific benchmarking, may be just reusing something that exists, or tunning it to our needs. | 21:48 |
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| mestery | Lets move on with 12 minutes left now. | 21:48 |
| mestery | #topic Tempest | 21:48 |
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| mestery | mlavalle: Any updates here this week? | 21:48 |
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| mlavalle | mestery: nope, with the surgery of last week, I have to catch up | 21:49 |
| mestery | mlavalle: OK, continue healing up and we'll talk later :) | 21:49 |
| mestery | #topic L3 | 21:49 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Hi! | 21:49 |
| mlavalle | :-) | 21:49 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: hi. everything is on the wiki. I’ll give you this time back if you would like. | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | I pushed a patch to enable parallelism on the DVR job. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116200/ | 21:50 |
| Sukhdev | mestery, mlavalle" wanted to say something about tempest | 21:50 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: I had one question on the BGP stuff | 21:50 |
| mestery | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/043934.html | 21:50 |
| carl_baldwin | salv-orlando: I’ll have a look. thanks. | 21:50 |
| armax | salv-orlando: how’s that doing? | 21:50 |
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| mestery | carl_baldwin: Have you been following this BP at all? Is this looking good? Just curious mostly. | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | armax: Idk - until its merges we dont’ know | 21:51 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: Have been chasing why sceranrio tests are failing some time when using devstack - | 21:51 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: it has been lower on the list but I’m going to review it this week. | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | carl_baldwin: it’s just because it’s with parallelism that you see the race appears | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | but if you want to keep things simple atm I’ll put it back in wip | 21:51 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: OK, I'll have a look too, just curious how likely it is to merge with 10 days left. | 21:51 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: BGP code has come a long way and I believe devvesa has had good success with it. | 21:51 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: That's awesome news, very encouraging! | 21:51 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: ok | 21:52 |
| carl_baldwin | mestery: I will be able to say more after a first pass through the code. | 21:52 |
| mestery | carl_baldwin: OK, awesome, thanks for the updates here! | 21:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | I will make an assessement soon and be in touch. | 21:52 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: filed a bug and logged the findings | 21:52 |
| mlavalle | Sukhdev: since we are close to the end of the meeting, let's take this off-line | 21:52 |
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| * mestery notes we're running low on time now .... | 21:52 | |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: yes lets do it | 21:52 |
| mestery | #topic IPV6 | 21:53 |
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| sc68cal | Hellooo | 21:53 |
| mestery | sc68cal: I saw your email today on V6 in plugins ... | 21:53 |
| mestery | Worth discussing here? | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | A bit | 21:53 |
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| * mestery thinks it is | 21:53 | |
| mestery | cool | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | I figured nobody's had a serious flamewar this week yet | 21:53 |
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| sc68cal | kevinbenton has a good patch that works on the big pain point with the one convergence plugin | 21:53 |
| sc68cal | anything with v6 in the test name gets skipped now, so it's a decent band-aid | 21:54 |
| songole | thanks to kevinbenton for the patch | 21:54 |
| songole | sc68cal: what are the requirements for Juno? | 21:54 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | songole: perhaps you can update the patch with a link to a bp you can file for your plugin (for the v6 support) | 21:54 |
| sc68cal | I'll leave the bigger question of a plugin that inherits from db_base_plugin to those with more knowledge/experience | 21:54 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: That may be bst handled on the ML given the time left here. | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | it just seems unusual to have a plugin inhert then totally error out on a specific subnet type | 21:55 |
| mestery | sc68cal: But thatnks for starting this conversation! | 21:55 |
| songole | SumitNaiksatam: ok | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | no problem | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | thanks for the time | 21:55 |
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| mestery | OK, any other V6 updates sc68cal? | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | nope, we got the dhcpv6 code merged :) | 21:55 |
| mestery | sc68cal: woot! | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | now we can focus on more difficult things :) | 21:55 |
| ajo__ | :-) | 21:55 |
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| mestery | sc68cal: :) | 21:56 |
| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 21:56 |
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| mestery | 4 minutes for anything else at this point | 21:56 |
| dougwig | incubator update? | 21:56 |
| mestery | dougwig: We should have that created tomorrow (/cc markmcclain) | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | it’s not the first time we had a pluggin skipping unit tests because they were unsupported | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | I can call out at request, but the plugin in question was threatened removal | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | I think as a community we should not have double standards. | 21:56 |
| SumitNaiksatam | mestery: nice | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | one second | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | so neutron and other are crashing the gate - bug 1349617 | 21:57 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1349617 in neutron "test_volume_boot_pattern fails in grenade with "SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner[Errno 104] Connection reset by peer"" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349617 | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | dougwig: have been on road, but have been coordinating with infra | 21:57 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: I saw a patch which hit that one last night while reviewing | 21:57 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Does this happen with nova-network as well as neutron? | 21:57 |
| dougwig | mestery, markmcclain: ty | 21:57 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: nice, please let me know if i can jump in and help in any way | 21:57 |
| salv-orlando | I’ve spent some time on this bug. It’s not the first time we see it. It happened back in june | 21:57 |
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| * mestery remembers this from June as well. | 21:58 | |
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| salv-orlando | and it was a weird problem that disappeared once we removed a patch from armax which just added an addiitonal connectivity check | 21:58 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: In that case, wasn't it that the VM wasn't even booted? I recall not even seeing a console, and thus the ssh failed because the VM wasn't there. | 21:58 |
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| salv-orlando | mestery: the news indeed are that the console log output is now there and the vm boots. However, if you look at the boot message you see an error while processing cirros datasource | 21:58 |
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| salv-orlando | with points to a metada/config drive problem. | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | that’s where my analysis stop. As I will need to take some PTO soon I would like to hand off this bug | 21:59 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: OK, thanks, let me know if you want a second set of eyes on this one as well. | 21:59 |
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| ajo__ | CI tests with metadata or file injection now? | 21:59 |
| Sukhdev | salv-orlando, mestery: I saw same behavior last week and filed this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1360480 | 21:59 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1360480 in devstack "destack has a silent failure which causes tempest tests to fail" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:59 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: May be best to duplicate to the bug salv-orlando mentioned | 22:00 |
| mestery | OK, thanks for joining this week everyone! | 22:00 |
| mestery | Next week is Feature Freeze, so lets see if we can push a few more features into Juno. | 22:00 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 25 22:00:25 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-25-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | multiple bug reports increase noise. I also filed another one and marked as duplicate. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-25-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-08-25-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuu | 22:00 |
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| ajo__ | adiooos :) | 22:00 |
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| armax_ | bye | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | bye | 22:00 |
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| emagana | adios chavales... | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | ajo__: both metadata and config drive. the gate doesn’t use injection anymore | 22:00 |
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| rkukura | bye | 22:00 |
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| salv-orlando | ajo__: They both use the same data source. And that’s were the race might be imho | 22:01 |
| gus | bye | 22:01 |
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