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garykis there the vmware meeting17:01
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arnaudI guess so17:01
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tjones#startmeeting vmwareapi17:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 13 17:02:32 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:02
tjonessorry17:02
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi'17:02
tjonesim late17:02
tjoneswho's here?17:02
vuilo/17:02
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garyki am here17:03
tjonesso i have a dentist appt at the top of the hour - so i will drop off about 15 min early.  feel free to go on without me if you have stuff to discuss17:03
tjoneslets get started with...17:03
garykmatt apologizes he will not be able to make17:03
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tjones#topic BP17:03
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tjonesthats our approved BP of which we only have 317:04
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tjoneslets talk about our fav spawn refactor 1st17:04
garyki need to leave in about 30 minutes17:04
tjonesvui?17:04
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garyktjones: sadly at the moment stuff is blocked by MS17:04
garykESX deprectaion bit us in the behind17:04
tjonesyeah - that is such a pain17:04
vuilit's still under review. Some phase 2 stuff left. I need to update some of the phase 3 patches as well.17:04
tjonessorry vui my eye is off that ball  - how many total have not yet merged ?17:05
vuila sec17:05
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garykwe need a MS for https://review.openstack.org/11392317:05
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tjonesgaryk: i thought that was actally blocking MS?17:06
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vuil* could find the fancy gerrit query *17:06
vuilbut https://review.openstack.org/#/c/104145/16 is the next in line17:06
vuilthat and 4 more makes ph 2, and 6 more for ph 317:07
garyktjones: that patch should address the MS problem. we need a MS run on it ASAP17:07
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vuilamong them there are about 3-4 sizeable ones, the rest are small17:07
tjonesgaryk: does rhsu know?17:07
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tjonesvuil: so im assuming all you need from us is reviews and reviews and reviews?17:07
garyktjones: yes.17:07
vuilyes I told ryan.17:07
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vuilyes, but some work to rebase/update some ph 3 patches.17:08
vuilBut clearing all the ph2 stuff for a start would be great17:08
tjonesok s lets focus on getting the phase 2 pathces reviewed.  I'll find the link and post it here in a sec17:09
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vuilwe will probably discuss next, but  I think equally hi priority17:09
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tjoneshttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/vmware-spawn-refactor,n,z17:09
vuilis getting the oslo.vmware integration patch reviewed.17:09
tjonesyes lets talk about that one now17:10
vuilIf it merges, it will give some clarity on how the update the patches depending on them.17:10
tjonesthat is just this one17:10
tjoneshttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/use-oslo-vmware,n,z17:10
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tjonesbut it's a big one17:10
vuilyeah's its big, but mostly mechanical stuff17:10
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tjonesi saw johnthetuba guy was reviewing it for a while but looks like he stopped17:11
garykyeah, we really the oslo stuff - it will make life a lot easier17:11
vuilthe issue is that several patches that addressed approve BP need its and arguably should be updated on top of the refactored code.17:11
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vuilIt hard to post review that depends on two unmerged branches17:12
tjonesyes17:12
tjonesdo you recommend rebasing oslo on top of the phase 2 refactor then - is that what you mean?17:12
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tjonesor the other way around17:12
vuilit has been rebased consistently to account for the merged refactored code.17:12
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vuilif and when it gets in, we rebase the rest of the unmerged refactored code on it one time,...17:13
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vuilthen we allow dependent work to be build off one patch chain17:13
tjonesok i see.  so then what you are saying is that we should put reviewing oslo ahead of the other patches17:13
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vuilif possible, yes. Or at least get the ball rolling17:14
tjonesget that in and then start again with the rest of the refactors17:14
tjonesok let me ping johnthetubaguy and see if i can get him engaged again17:14
vuilotherwise it's just constant rebase (path 39 and counting) for nothin17:14
tjonesyes i know - frustrating and boring17:14
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tjonesok anything else for those 2 before we move on?17:15
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tjonesgaryk: v3 diags?17:16
garyktjones: done and dusted.17:16
tjonesand spbm?17:16
tjonesmerged?17:16
garykjustthe libvirt patch is pending review17:16
tjonesawesome!17:16
garykspbm needs to be rebased on to of the oslo stuff. hopefully tomorrow or day after17:16
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tjonesand ephemeral?17:16
garyklast in the refactor list17:16
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garykcode is up, just need to be revieweed17:17
tjonesok - anything i missed?17:17
tjonesfor approved BP?17:17
garyknot that i am aware of17:17
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tjonesif not - if everyone here can spend some cycles reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/70175/ it sounds like it will really help us get over a number of humps.  Please review so we can ping the core guys17:18
vuilvsan/ova - those are the ones I was mentioning that depended on the oslo.vmware change.17:18
vuilI held off rechecking 70175 due to the MS issues yesterday, but we should do one today17:18
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tjonesvuil: since the status in launchpad is "not started" i fear they will not make it…17:19
tjonesthe cores look at the state to decide what to review - if they are far enough along, please adjust the status17:19
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vuilI will, I thought I saw a list that said they are started. I just need to update them and am kinda in a bind as to how.17:19
vuilI have been testing them internally, but I had the luxury of merging different branches of functionality I need17:20
tjoneshttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware  i think a number of states are stale.  lets clean this up.  sorry i should have been on this before but got a little disrtracted by other work17:20
tjonesok lets move on to bugs17:20
tjones#bugs17:21
garyki went over the bugs and did a little cleanup17:21
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tjonesgaryk: you are the proud owner of 2 critical bugs17:21
tjonescongrats!17:21
tjones#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=vmware17:21
tjoneswe are at 64 bugs17:22
tjones10 more than last week i think17:22
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tjoneswow - we need to do some triage (later)17:23
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tjonesgaryk: these critical bugs are moving?  just waiting on MS?17:23
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tjonesBTW - my battery is close to dead so if i suddenly drop you will know why17:24
garyki am not sure. i will check the bugs again tomorrow17:24
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vuilmaybe there went the battery17:26
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tjonesno i am here17:26
tjoneswas looking at the bugs17:26
vuilk17:26
tjonessorry17:26
tjonesgot caught up17:26
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tjonesi meant to spend some time looking at bugs before this meeitng but did not have time so i'll do it offline.17:27
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tjonesanything else we need to talk about ?17:27
tjonesim happy to end early if not17:27
vuilnot for me17:27
tjonesplease take this extra 1/2 hour and review oslo :-D17:28
tjonesthat's what i am going to do17:28
tjones*listening*17:28
tjonesok lets end then17:29
tjones*see* you next week17:29
tjones#endmeeting17:29
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notmynameswift team meeting time19:01
mattoliverauwoo19:01
notmynamewoo!19:01
notmyname#startmeeting swift19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug 13 19:01:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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notmynamehello, everyone. who's here for the Swift team meeting?19:02
cschwede_o/19:02
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tdasilvahello19:02
hurricanerixhi19:02
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gvernikhello19:02
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notmynameagenda for today is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift19:02
notmyname"normal" stuff :-)19:03
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notmynamefirst up, hackathon19:03
* notmyname notes "hackathon", not "hackathong"19:03
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notmyname#topic hackathon19:03
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notmynametdasilva: hello19:03
tdasilvano speedos please19:04
tdasilvahello19:04
mattoliveraulol19:04
notmynamethe fall hackathon will be during the bridge week between september and october19:04
notmynamebefore the paris summit19:04
notmynamein general, there are a couple of primary reasons that we do these19:04
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notmynamefirst, it's a good chance to see each other in person and talk face-to-face. this becomes terribly useful, especially when discussing designs and future plans19:05
notmynameit's also nice for doing in-person code reviews for big stuff19:05
notmynamesecond, the summits are hard to get stuff done, and not everyone can get their company to pay to go to the summits, so the hackathons are a place where we can focus on the code, rather than the social part of openstack19:06
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notmynameI've had some people express concern that it seems like there are now requirements to travel around the world 4 times a year (2 summits, 2 hackathons)19:06
notmynamealthough it's nice to go to all of them, certainly don't consider it a requirement. the hackathons are great for code progress. the summits are great for community progress19:07
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notmynameso, that all being said...19:07
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notmynameRed Hat is hosting the fall hackathon, and tdasilva is coordinating logistics form their side19:08
notmynamethanks tdasilva!19:08
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notmynametdasilva: I believe the invites are publicly open now?19:08
tdasilvaur welcome :)19:08
tdasilvayes19:08
tdasilvahttps://swift-hackathon.eventbrite.com/19:08
notmyname#link https://swift-hackathon.eventbrite.com/19:08
tdasilvaI tried to add info there regarding airports, hotels, etc19:09
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tdasilvaif people have questions feel free to reach out to me19:09
mattoliverauIs easier to get to for some :P Seeing as it's so close to the summit (for traveeling 1/2 round the world) it may or maynot be possible to trick work into sending me to both the hackathon and summit (but I'll ask) ;P19:09
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notmynamemattoliverau: I'd love to see you there if you can make it19:10
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cutforthnotmyname: how far in advance are hackathon dates scheduled?  I ask cuz I will miss out on this one due to a conflict.  I'd like to plan to make the next one.19:11
notmynameso, to everyone, sign up ASAP if you are able to go. there are a limited number of places19:11
notmynamecutforth: mostly it's "hey we want to sponsor, when do you want it?" in an email to me :-)19:11
notmynamecutforth: that being said, I'd like to have the one after before the "L" summit in the spring. I've already got a volunteer to host it on the US West coast19:12
cutforthok, if there were a general time frame, that could help with planning19:12
tdasilvanotmyname: is the location for the "L" summit already defined too?19:13
tdasilvaand date?19:13
notmynamecutforth: there isn't yet. I'd guess likely in the march(ish) timeframe19:13
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notmynametdasilva: no, not that I know of. dates will be in May (it's always May and November)19:13
tdasilvaok, thanks19:13
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notmynameany questions around the fall hackathon?19:14
cutforthnotmyname: thank you, no more questions19:14
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notmynameok, moving on19:14
notmyname#topic swift gap analysis follow-up19:15
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notmynamenow for the "fun" topic19:15
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notmynameas I mentioned last week, the TC has done a "gap analysis" of Swift wrt its integration with the rest of OpenStack (all currently-integrated projects have gone through this--we aren't singled out)19:15
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notmynamehttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_analysis is a high-level summary, but the real juicy details are in the meeting logs from the TC meeting last week. if you're curious, then go read those19:16
notmynamebut, here's the summary (again)19:17
notmynamethere are 2 "gaps" identified19:17
notmynamequotation marks are intentional, because these may not in fact be gaps19:17
notmynamebut they are points of investigation19:17
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notmynamethe first is about the use of oslo libraries19:17
notmynamethe second is about releases and versioning19:17
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notmynameI've talked with various people about all this, including emaisl with swift-core.19:18
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notmynameimportantly, I don't want to characterize this as a "fight"19:18
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notmynamebut it is important to realize that this is unresolved differences that have existed for the past 4+ years. so there is, unfortunately, baggage on each side of the debate19:19
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mattoliverauWhat do the *'s mean in the etherpad next to a few of the oslo libraries?19:19
notmynamemattoliverau: I'll get there :-)19:20
mattoliverausorry :)19:20
notmynamebasically, the situation is that we should either adopt more of the oslo libraries and the common release cycles or convice the TC that it's ok that Swift not do this19:20
notmynameso, as mattoliverau referred to, there is an entherpad where we can collect our thoughts and use as a common scratchpad19:21
notmyname#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_gap_scratchpad19:21
notmynameI've started it with the 2 issues bolded and then some subpoints under each19:21
notmynametoday in this meeting I want to focus a little on the oslo usage19:21
notmynameI've listed what I think are the 3 big questions that need to be answered for each oslo library19:22
notmyname(I found the list of oslo libraries by searching pypi for "oslo"19:22
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notmynameso for each, I'd like to answer what the library is doing, what are we doing (ie what would it replace in swift), and what's the impact of using it19:22
notmynamesome of them (oslo.vmware being the simplest) are just silly to consider for swift19:23
notmynamethat's why I put a strikethrough on oslo.vmware19:23
notmynamethe ones I put a * on are the Big Ones (tm).19:23
notmynameie those are the ones that people have specifically called out19:23
notmynameconfig, messaging, and logging19:24
notmynamelogging is sorta special because it's not a separate library at this time, but I still want to see an analysis of it19:24
notmynamehere's what I would like to see19:24
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notmynameI'd like us, as a group, to each take one or two of these oslo libraries and answer the questions for them19:25
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notmynameeg with oslo config, figure out what it would look like to use it, what the impact to swift deployers is, migration paths, gaps in the oslo library, etc19:25
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notmynamethe ones with a * are bigger, and therefore I think that if one person takes it, that's the only one they should take19:26
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notmynamemake sense?19:26
notmyname(I'm about to ask for volunteers)19:26
notmynameany questions so far?19:26
cschwede_makes sense to me. should we add ourselves to the etherpad to the libs we are going to investigating?19:27
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cschwede_s/investigating/investigate19:27
notmynamecschwede_: yes, feel free to add yourself to the etherpad. also, say somethere in here now when you do :-)19:27
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notmynamethat's my call for volunteers. who wants to look at what oslo libraries19:28
mattoliveraure: logging, it seems a bit dirty to me as its still incubated but is suppose to be treated as released. But incubated means no pip.. so does that mean a copy and paste job?19:28
cschwede_notmyname: k. i’ll have a look at oslo.serialization first19:29
acolesi'll look at oslo.config19:29
acolesmade a start already on that19:29
notmynamemattoliverau: we're not going to use copy/paste code that is externally managed in swift. so that's a non-starter. but assuming that it will be released, the common perspective will be that we should use it until we convince the TC it's ok that we don't19:29
notmynameacoles: thansk19:29
notmynamecschwede_: thanks19:29
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torgomaticlet's put our names by our comments; I also have stuff to say about oslo.config, and I don't want to put words in acoles's mouth19:30
notmynameyes, good point19:30
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notmynameit's hard to track who said what on an etherpad.19:30
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notmynametorgomatic:  what about simply writing your name at the top so there is a color match to your name?19:31
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acolesisn't there an oslo.nametracker?19:31
torgomaticlol19:31
notmynameheh19:31
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notmynameyes, please put your name next to your comments in the etherpad19:32
notmynamecschwede_: can you take another one too? I think i18n is small. also rootwrap19:32
cschwede_notmyname: yes, i was thinking about i18n19:32
notmynamemattoliverau: hurricanerix: gvernik: cutforth: any you can look in to?19:33
notmynameand kota_ :-)19:33
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notmynameoh, now maybe we can volunteer zaitcev for one :-)19:33
portante_oslo.db19:34
gverniki will look over it also19:34
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notmynameportante_: is that for you?19:34
mattoliverauI'm happy to look at any, I guess I'll start with logging as it's highlighted then maybe using oslo.db and see how it could connect to sqllite etc19:34
portantefor zaitcev ... :)19:34
portantehappy to volunteer others ...19:34
cschwede_heh!19:34
notmynamehurricanerix: thanks for taking logging. I think there's a lot to consider there. let me know if you have any questions19:34
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notmynameportante: heh19:34
zaitcevThat "db" thing sounds like a database.19:34
zaitcevAre we importing a database from Oslo now?19:34
notmynamemattoliverau: hurricanerix got logging. can you take messaging?19:35
mattoliverausure19:35
torgomaticzaitcev: how else will we store all our container listings in Mongo? /s19:35
notmynamemattoliverau: thanks. also, I think that one is kinda big, so please talk to me at any time about it19:35
notmynamemattoliverau: specifically, the point made by the TC is that we aren't using oslo.messaging and are instead using statsd19:35
kota_I'll take oslo.rootwrap19:36
notmynametorgomatic: can you take 3 small ones? db, rootwrap, and oslotest19:36
notmynamekota_: ok. can you also look at middleware?19:36
mattoliveraunotmyname: k, may need to talk to you about it then.. when I'm more awake :P19:36
notmynamemattoliverau: no worries :-)19:36
kota_notmyname: k19:36
torgomaticnotmyname: sure, I can look at those... I think portante is taking db though19:37
notmynamemattoliverau: or maybe you can ask torgomatic nicely and he can do messaging and you can take a few smaller one s: -)19:37
torgomaticunless I misunderstood what he said19:37
torgomatic(which is entirely possible)19:37
notmynameI think portante has only volunteered others19:37
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torgomaticnobody told me he got promoted to management! congratulations! ;)19:37
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notmynamelol19:37
mattoliveraulol19:37
notmynametorgomatic: db and oslotest are all that's left19:38
mattoliverautorgomatic: if you want messaging it's yours, but happy to give it a whirl. If you do take it I'll take the smaller ones that are left :)19:38
torgomaticnotmyname: I can take a look at those two, sure19:38
portantetorgomatic: yes, thanks, it is great feeling ...19:38
notmynametorgomatic: thanks19:39
mattoliveraucool, done then19:39
notmynamethanks, everyone19:39
* portante would like to take a minute at the end of the meeting to esplain ...19:39
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notmynameI'm going to the openstack ops meetup in san antonio in a few weeks. I'm specifically going to bring up some of these things to get feedback there19:39
notmynamedhellmann: you're editing stuff now?19:40
notmynamedhellmann: we already use pbr, that's why it's not on the list (like oslosphinx)19:40
zaitcevwe aren't going to use stevedore and taskflow, are we19:40
dhellmannnotmyname: ah, sorry, I was filling out your list when I saw you said you'd only searched for "oslo" on pypi19:41
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notmynameI'll look at stevedore and taskflow19:42
dhellmannzaitcev: stevedore would be used if you're loading driver code, but I don't know if swift does that19:42
notmynamezaitcev: I have no diea19:42
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notmynameI've talked to clayg briefly about stevedore. I'll ping him again about it19:42
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notmynamedhellmann: what is taskflow?19:42
dhellmannit manages multi-step processes in a way that lets  you pause, restart, and roll them back19:43
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dhellmannjosh harlow can fill in more details, he manages that19:43
notmynamedhellmann: ok, thanks19:43
dhellmannnp19:43
notmynameok, let's move on19:44
notmynamethanks everyone for taking these. please try to have some information for next week's meeting (some, not all)19:44
notmynamepeluse: around?19:44
notmynameI don't think he's here today19:44
notmyname#topic reviews19:45
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notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews19:45
notmynamethanks for working on the migration middleware and the keystone reviews. I've seen a bit of back and forth on those this week19:45
notmynamemattoliverau: you assigned the affinity+DELETEs bug to yourself on LP. are you working on that?19:46
notmynamemattoliverau: if so, what's the status?19:46
notmyname#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/131837519:46
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1318375 in swift "DELETE operation not write affinity aware" [High,New]19:46
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zaitcevmaybe he stepped off to get a sandwich19:47
notmynameor went back to sleep :-)19:47
mattoliveraulol i'm here19:47
notmynameheh, ok19:48
kota_lol19:48
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notmynamemattoliverau: are you working on that bug?19:48
notmynameie a patch19:48
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mattoliverauyup, I've just thrown together a swift multi region SAIO for testing it. Will get a version 0.1 up today for a flaming19:48
notmynamemattoliverau: awesome. thanks19:49
mattoliverausorry, irc decided to hang19:49
notmynameI understand. been there :-)19:49
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notmynamethe other bug that was reraised this week is addressed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113180/. several people have looked at it19:50
notmynameI think the only outstanding question there is to prove one way or another if a circular logging reference is properly GC'd or not19:50
notmynamewhich seems like a big deal :-)19:50
notmynameso if you like such things, I'd appreciate your comments on the patch :-)19:51
torgomaticnot for a logger whose lifetime virtually matches the process's lifetime19:51
torgomaticIMO19:51
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notmynameas to other patches, the migration middleware has had some back and forth from acoles and torgomatic with gvernik19:52
notmynameis there anything on that to bring up in the meeting?19:52
portantecan somebody dump the gerrit link here for convenience?19:53
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notmynameyes, sorry19:53
portantethanks19:53
notmynamehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/64430/19:53
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kota_Hi, I would like to get core review about EfficientReplication19:53
kota_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99824/19:53
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notmynamekota_: yes, me too :-)19:54
kota_It's writtend down in PriorityReviews on wiki19:54
notmyname(Hi, pot. I'm kettle)19:54
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kota_mattoliverau: thanks for a review!19:55
notmynamekota_: I think that one is pretty important. I like the ideas, and I'm sorry I haven't had a chance to look at it personally yet19:56
kota_notmyname: ok,19:56
mattoliveraukota_: of course, we've had some back and forths on it, but looks good to me now :)19:56
notmynameto all, please keep looking at the priority reviews page, and work your way down it19:56
kota_notmyname: no worries19:56
notmynamejust a few minutes left...19:57
notmyname#topic open discussion19:57
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notmynameanything else to bring up in the meeting this week?19:57
torgomaticthe SwiftService patch for python-swiftclient could still use another set of eyes19:57
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notmynametorgomatic: can you add that to the priority reviews page, please?19:58
portantenotmyname: working on keystone V3 review for python swift client19:58
notmynameportante: thanks19:58
torgomaticnotmyname: will do19:58
acolesjust fyi, i will be away 8/15 - 9/119:58
notmynameacoles: ah, ok. thanks for the head's up19:58
notmynameacoles: vacation?19:58
portanteit will be one of my last reviews for a while, as my role going forward on the performance team is changing to more consulting and less development work on swift19:58
acolesnotmyname: yep, italy19:58
notmynameacoles: enjoy!19:59
cschwede_acoles: enjoy your vacation!19:59
notmynameportante: we'll try to keep finding ways to pull you back!19:59
acolesthanks19:59
mattoliverauportante: :( that's a shame19:59
portantenotmyname: thanks19:59
acolesportante: appreciate your efforts on that review19:59
portanteacoles: welcome19:59
notmynamelast 30 seconds for comments in the meeting....20:00
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portanteand for others, if I have dropped the ball on anything, please let me know so that I can wind that down properly ...20:00
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notmynametime's up20:00
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notmynamethanks, everyone, for coming today20:00
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notmyname#endmeeting20:00
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zaneb#startmeeting heat20:01
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zaneb#topic roll call20:01
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* jpeeler is here20:01
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spzalaHi20:01
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zanebstevebaker?20:02
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randallburthello20:02
zanebok, let's get into it20:03
zaneb#topic Review action items from last meeting20:03
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zaneb    zaneb check with stevebaker about progress on gap coverage plan20:03
zaneb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/TechnicalCommittee/Heat_Gap_Coverage#Improved_functional_testing20:04
zanebthe plan is up20:04
stevebakerDone20:04
zanebwe just have to execute20:04
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zaneb#topic Adding items to the agenda20:04
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zaneb#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282014-08-13_2000_UTC.2920:04
zanebany other topics?20:04
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stevebakerReviews on the functional test changes please20:05
stevebakerI do, just getting a keyboard20:05
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* shardy wonders how stevebaker is typing without a keyboard ;)20:06
stevebakerright20:06
stevebaker(phone)20:06
stevebakeragenda item: icehouse issues20:06
shardyah20:06
tspatziersiri?20:06
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skraynevlooks very fast...20:06
zanebok20:07
zaneb#topic Mid-cycle meet-up20:07
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zanebReminder: this is next Mon-Wed20:07
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zaneb#action zaneb to email out details of when/where to meet up20:08
stevebakertripleo had a good format, spread the formal topics over the mornings, then hackfest for the rest of the time20:08
skraynevzaneb: so the next meeting will be skipped?20:08
shardyDo we need to revisit the discussion re stevedore for resource plugins, or has the decision been made now?20:08
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shardyI see asalkelkd still has a patch up and IIRC it was somewhat in-flux before I went on PTO20:08
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zanebskraynev: that's probably a good idea... it will be 8am there20:09
randallburtshardy:  I was going to start looking at those next once the client plugin stuff finally landed20:09
zaneb#info next week's Heat IRC meeting is cancelled20:09
shardyrandallburt: Ok thanks for the info20:09
skraynevzaneb: thx20:10
zanebso, spoiler alert: it will be 9am in the lobby of Red Hat Tower on Monday20:10
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zaneb#topic Feature Proposal Freeze20:10
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zanebnext Thursday is the Feature Proposal Freeze deadline20:11
skraynevrandallburt: I will try to not block merging of client-plugin patches :)20:11
randallburtlol, thanks skraynev ;)20:11
zanebthat means that if you want to introduce new features in Juno, there must be patches up for review by then20:11
mspreitzzaneb: FPF is deadline for approval?20:11
mspreitzoh, got it20:11
zanebmspreitz: no20:11
stevebakerzaneb: by when?20:11
stevebakeroh, next thursday20:12
zanebstevebaker: next Thursday20:12
skraynevrandallburt: so for questions only +1 :)20:12
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randallburtskraynev:  sounds good20:12
zanebthis has been your public service announcement20:12
zaneb#topic Update replace with dependencies20:12
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zanebI don't know who added this20:12
mspreitzwhat does it mean?20:12
pas-haskraynev20:12
zanebah, skraynev20:12
skraynevit is mine20:12
skraynevyes.20:13
skraynevit's more similar on one question about bug20:13
skraynevhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/135608420:13
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1356084 in heat "Cannot delete the stack after replacing image during stack-update" [Undecided,New]20:13
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skraynevIMO, it's not duplicated, the real problem in resource port and our update replace20:13
zanebso I think that's the same bug as https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/133451420:14
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1334514 in heat "cannot delete the stack after heat-engine down in middle of stack-update" [Medium,Fix committed]20:14
zaneb(which is fixed)20:14
pas-haUpdateReplace behavior when the replaced resource has dependencies that allow for only 1 "dependent"20:14
skraynevYes, I saw your comment..20:14
pas-halike port on Server20:14
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skraynevduring replace we create second server and try to use old port20:15
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skraynevbut according to neutron model it's not possible20:15
stevebakernova/neutron port interaction is a mess right now20:15
zanebah yes, I see your point20:15
skraynevto have two servers with same port20:15
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shardyskraynev: should you be using the rebuild image update policy?20:16
stevebakerwe should be able to detach the port from the old server at some point in the update process20:16
shardyinstead of replacing the server?20:16
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pas-haI think it is more than port, I presume the same would go for volume attached (can not attach to two servers at once)20:16
skraynevstevebaker: +1 for this idea20:16
mspreitzstevebaker: but timing is wrong, update makes new before deleting old, right?20:16
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zanebdidn't we do something like this already for another type of resource?20:16
zanebpas-ha: I suspect that's why VolumeAttachment exists20:17
pas-hatrue20:17
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stevebakermspreitz: the port would have to be attached to the new post-create20:17
zanebmaybe we need a PortAttachment :(20:17
stevebakergah20:17
skraynevshardy: hm... I don't think about this case, but as I understand it's different solution which can not help with current bug20:18
stevebakeror we deprecate the port resource and make it possible to specify all port details in the server networks list20:18
zanebplease nobody implement PortAttachment20:18
shardyskraynev: I'm just suggesting it might be a workaround20:18
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zanebstevebaker: that might also eliminate the opposite problem we also have, of Nova deleting the port from under us20:18
mspreitzyes, +1 on stevebaker's suggestion20:19
pas-hastevebaker, detaching port from old during update has potential to have a old instance without ports if rollack happens20:19
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pas-has/rollack/rollback20:19
stevebakerzaneb: it gets better, currently nova *doesn't* always delete ports that it creates, resulting in undeletable stacks!20:19
skraynevshardy: may be. I think about some hacking of update replace process.20:19
zanebstevebaker: what, do they just roll some dice???20:20
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stevebakerI was going to suggest a summit session on a rich server networks property20:20
pas-hamay be smth like post/pre-replace20:20
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skraynevzaneb: it's destiny ... :)20:20
zanebI'd like to have a summit session on a sensible API for neutron20:20
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stevebakerzaneb: and now they're talking manging port lifecycle in novaclient ;)20:21
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stevebakermanaging20:21
zanebwhen it's easier to store state in the client(s) than your server, you know you've taken a wrong turn20:21
skraynevpas-ha: do you mean this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89363/19 ?20:22
stevebakeranyhoo, arosen has a change to fix the port deleting which is still in review20:22
zanebbecause nobody ever uses clients on different machines...20:22
pas-haskraynev, not really, more of resource (not stack) plugpoints20:23
pas-haand not really plugs, just another function of the Resource class20:23
skraynevpas-ha: only for port resource?20:24
pas-hawhich if implemented makes what's needed during update-replace20:24
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zaneb#action skraynev document mob wisdom on bug 1356084 in launchpad20:24
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1356084 in heat "Cannot delete the stack after replacing image during stack-update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135608420:24
zanebmoving along....20:24
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pas-hawell, if it is only port that misbehaves, than I'd vote for stevebaker proposition20:24
zaneb#topic icehouse issues20:24
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zanebstevebaker: we have icehouse issues?20:24
stevebakerI don't have the link, but search for "heat rstrip" on ask.openstack.org20:25
zanebaha, I know it well20:25
stevebakerthere seems to be many people getting this20:25
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zanebdoes anyone remember which patch fixed it in Juno?20:26
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zaneb#link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/44120/heat-and-image-nontype-object-has-no-attribute-rstrip/20:27
zaneb#link https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/22518/failed-to-create-stack-got-error-nonetype-object-has-no-attribute-rstrip/20:27
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zanebI'll take that as a no20:28
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zaneb#action stevebaker raise a launchpad bug for rstrip(None) issue from ask.openstack20:29
shardyLooks a lot like https://answers.launchpad.net/heat/+question/23263220:29
zanebsince apparently none of the people asking are going to do it20:29
stevebakerthe other issue is that the install guides (and installers like packstack) are not setting up the stack domain, and lots of people are having auth issues, which I assume is just them not using an admin user20:30
shardyIt's not folks upgrading and using havana config files is it?20:30
shardystevebaker: recent packstack does create it20:30
stevebakeroh, good20:30
zanebooh, could be20:30
shardystevebaker: I can take an action to contribute docs, after FPF20:30
shardyI blog-documented it, but need to refactor into official docs20:31
stevebakershardy: there is a docs bug to do that.20:31
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zaneb#topic Critical issues sync20:34
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zanebwe have one open at the moment20:34
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zaneb#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/135609720:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1356097 in heat "stack-update from a non-HOT stack to a HOT stack fails" [High,In progress]20:34
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zanebI approved stevebaker's fix20:34
zaneb#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/113739/20:35
zanebnot sure what will happen if he doesn't remove W-I-P20:35
stevebakerI can do that20:35
skraynevwe can wait and will see result :)20:35
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zanebit definitely isn't in the gate atm20:36
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stevebakerI have approved myself20:36
zanebw00t20:36
zanebStarting gate jobs.20:37
zanebsorted.20:37
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zaneblifeless: ^ FYI20:37
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zanebanything else critical?20:38
zanebwe've discussed a couple already20:38
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stevebakercould we quickly talk about the review queue?20:39
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zanebit sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1354962 is fixed at least20:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1354962 in heat "stack-update adding a parameter leads to heat stack-list breaking" [Undecided,Fix committed]20:39
zanebok yes, let's talk about the review queue20:39
stevebakerits big.20:39
stevebakernext topic!20:39
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* zaneb peeks at review queue20:39
randallburtreview the last few client plugin patches please?20:40
randallburtwe're almost there.20:40
stevebakerI wonder if we should have a curated list of priority reviews, like swift does20:40
zanebit's big all right20:40
ryansb+1 for priority review queue20:40
pas-hahow is this one sorted? http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#heat20:41
stevebakerbecause as a core its hard to know where my reviewing effort is best applied20:41
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skraynevagree about priority20:42
zanebit's my impression that the stuff that would go in a priority review queue is actually being reviewed20:42
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stevebakerpas-ha: that is things which are ready for review attention, but it makes no distinction between priority, bugs, features, strategic vs tactical20:42
zaneband the backlog is of stuff that is not going to be regarded by core as priority20:42
zanebmostly because it comes from people outside core20:42
zanebI'm not holding this up as an example of the system working, btw20:43
zanebjust as a reason that a priority queue might not improved it20:43
randallburtprobably more the opposite20:43
lifelesszaneb: wicked thanks20:43
shardyzaneb: I agree, I think most of us are vaguely aware of the priorities for the looming milestone and review accordingly, but it's the remaining stuff which can fall through the cracks20:43
zanebI'd be interested in hearing different opinions though20:43
stevebakerzaneb: I think I'm suggesting we add to your busylist as the owner of the curated list20:43
shardywhich a priority list will probably make worse20:44
zanebI know stevebaker is keen to get his client patches merged soon ;)20:44
randallburtI look at them more as "ours" at this point ;)20:44
zanebstevebaker: -220:44
shardythat said, with finite time before the release, perhaps we should priotitize between now and FF20:44
randallburtjoint custody20:44
stevebakerzaneb: if so, I would be volunteering to curate ;)20:44
randallburtmaybe something to discuss more at the mid-summit?20:44
zanebstevebaker: but it's the low-priority stuff I am most worried about20:45
zanebwe are not being very friendly to new contributors20:45
zanebor, more accurately, to the majority of our non-core contributors20:46
stevebakerrandallburt: good idea. Long term I'd like a purely technical solution to prioritising review order20:46
randallburtstevebaker:  very agreed20:46
stevebakerzaneb: having a list doesn't preclude other things being reviewed20:46
zanebbtw if people want me to review stuff, add me to the review in Gerrit20:47
mspreitzzaneb: I have been assuming that would be rude..20:47
pas-hazaneb, be careful with that :)20:47
mspreitzassuming everyone is busy already20:47
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zanebso, ideally you know who in core is an expert in the area of the code you're changing20:48
stevebakerI need to go soon20:48
zaneband you add them to the review20:48
randallburtnot rude at all. its gotten to the point where I have people emailing me directly asking for reviews. bad sign if you ask me.20:48
shardymspreitz: actually, provided you do it in a targeted way, it's appreciated, as it makes finding reviews relevant to you easier20:48
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zanebI don't think it's rude, because I can easily remove myself again :)20:48
mspreitzzaneb: great20:48
mspreitzI will try to do some of that judiciously20:48
stevebakerI won't tell you all about the secret feature to add all heat-core ;)20:49
zanebfor new contributors, it may be hard to know who the expert is in a particular area20:49
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shardystevebaker: sssh! ;)20:49
zanebI would rather people ask on IRC who the experts are than to ask on IRC for reviews20:49
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zanebstevebaker: no, don't tell us about that20:49
mspreitzgood clues here, thanks20:49
randallburtzaneb:  +1 to that.20:49
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randallburtgotta run a little early. later, heaters.20:50
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zanebpinging for reviews interrupts people and it only a one-off20:50
zanebadding folks in Gerrit is sticky20:50
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shardyzaneb: +1, particularly if, as some folks are doing, it's pinging multiple times a day :(20:50
mspreitzSo I have one other topic for opens20:50
zanebshardy: yes, we want to discourage that20:51
* zaneb has been known to ignore reviews from folks who ping/email too much20:51
zanebbtw any email is too much20:51
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zaneb#info if you need reviews, add the core team members who are experts in the domain of the patch to the review in Gerrit20:52
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zaneb#info if you don't know who the experts are, ask on IRC - that's better than asking for reviews on IRC20:53
zaneb#topic Open Discussion20:53
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zanebmspreitz: you had something20:53
mspreitzSimple, really: does anybody have any template that uses Neutron LBaaS, and works?20:53
skraynevzaneb: what about old review, where all experts were added ? will be enough to rebase this change?20:53
pas-haI had one for havana20:53
zanebskraynev: that generates a notification, so usually yes20:54
mspreitzpas-ha: pls share20:54
mspreitzor do you know it's broken now?20:54
pas-hahttps://github.com/pshchelo/stackdev/tree/master/templates/demo20:54
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pas-halook there, I was doing demo HEat vs Murano and was asked for some templates20:54
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pas-hathis one https://github.com/pshchelo/stackdev/blob/master/templates/demo/demo-neutronlb.yaml was working during Icehouse cycle, not havana20:55
mspreitzpas-ha: will try, thanks20:56
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skraynevmspreitz: I had one more form this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/60078/10/tempest/scenario/orchestration/test_loadbalancer.yaml20:56
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ryansb(beep, 4 minute warning)20:57
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mspreitzskraynev: what uses TestFIP?20:57
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skraynevmspreitz: it was used for test20:58
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pas-hamspreitz, ping me if smth not clear20:58
mspreitzmy question is: I do not see it attached to anything20:58
mspreitzpas-ha's example has an attachment20:59
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skraynevmspreitz: to send request to lbaas from external network20:59
zanebok, let's jump back to #heat20:59
mspreitzI will follow up directly, thanks20:59
zaneb#endmeeting20:59
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