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| mestery | hi LBaaS folks! | 14:00 |
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| sbalukoff | Morning! | 14:00 |
| german__ | hi | 14:00 |
| evgenyf | hi | 14:00 |
| crc32 | hello | 14:00 |
| s3wong | hello | 14:00 |
| vjay4 | Hi | 14:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting neutron lbaas | 14:00 |
| dougwig | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 12 14:00:43 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:00 | |
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| Guest48894 | Hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_lbaas' | 14:00 |
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| blogan | hello | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | hello | 14:00 |
| mestery | enikanorov indicated he couldn't make today's meeting, so you're all stuck with me today. :P | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/LBaaS#Meeting_12.06.2014 Agenda | 14:01 |
| blogan | noooooooooooooo | 14:01 |
| blogan | j/k | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | that's cool mestery | 14:01 |
| mestery | blogan: Ha! :) | 14:01 |
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| sballe | morning. | 14:01 |
| mestery | sballe: Good morning! | 14:01 |
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| mestery | OK, per the agenda, I only see two things. | 14:01 |
| mestery | Does anyone want to add anything to agenda at this point? | 14:01 |
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| * mestery crickets :) | 14:02 | |
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| mestery | OK, lets move along then! | 14:02 |
| mestery | #topic Hackathon Updates | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Hackathon Updates (Meeting topic: neutron lbaas)" | 14:02 | |
| mestery | We should be all set for next week in San Antonio (with Hangouts and IRC access for remote people). | 14:03 |
| blogan | i know one thign we need to do is get a document out defining the request and response's the new API will have | 14:03 |
| mestery | blogan: +1 | 14:03 |
| blogan | but I think Stpehn and I will be attempting to get that out before the hackathon | 14:03 |
| sballe | and sbalukoff signed up to that. right? | 14:03 |
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| mestery | blogan sbalukoff: Great! | 14:03 |
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| sbalukoff | Again, I will not be offended if someone else does that before I do. | 14:04 |
| rm_work | o/ | 14:04 |
| mestery | blogan: At some point, you need to let us know where at RAX to land on Tuesday morning :) | 14:04 |
| sbalukoff | Since I do have limited availability to do so in the next couple of days. | 14:04 |
| sballe | mestery, We update the etherpad yesterday with the right address :) | 14:04 |
| sbalukoff | Also, agenda-ish thing for the hackathon: | 14:04 |
| sbalukoff | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/1gsTm4GBdu | 14:04 |
| sbalukoff | And where to go: | 14:04 |
| mestery | sballe: Thanks! ;) | 14:05 |
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| sbalukoff | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-lbaas-mid-cycle | 14:05 |
| sballe | mestery, Address is at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-lbaas-mid-cycle | 14:05 |
| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-juno-lbaas-mid-cycle | 14:05 |
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| mestery | sballe: Perfect! Now I know where to be Tuesday. | 14:05 |
| blogan | mestery: all you have to do is come in the front doors and tell them you have to go to the customer experience center | 14:05 |
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| mestery | blogan: Awesome! | 14:05 |
| samuelbercovici | hello | 14:06 |
| blogan | it'll be directly to the left of the front desk | 14:06 |
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| mestery | Anything else Hackathon-ish for next week? | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | mestery: as I undertsnad it, breakfast will be served every morning | 14:06 |
| sbalukoff | And lunch! Yay! | 14:06 |
| dougwig | the customer experience center? do we sit in a dark room and click 'launch instance' until our credit card bill makes us want to cry? :) | 14:07 |
| sballe | the food is good. | 14:07 |
| mestery | mlavalle: Wow, very nice! | 14:07 |
| dougwig | since that is the "customer experience". :) | 14:07 |
| mestery | dougwig: :P | 14:07 |
| blogan | dougwig: only you will be doing that | 14:07 |
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| sballe | blogan, +1 | 14:07 |
| rm_work | lol dougwig | 14:07 |
| sbalukoff | Heh! | 14:07 |
| dougwig | :) | 14:07 |
| mestery | blogan: You will get us wifi access once we arrive? | 14:08 |
| jorgem | I'll add the specific room numbers on the wiki | 14:08 |
| mestery | blogan: Or do you need something prior to that to setup access? | 14:08 |
| blogan | mestery: it is already set up | 14:08 |
| mestery | blogan: Awesome! | 14:08 |
| rm_work | mestery: the customer experience center will have a user/pass for you guys to use | 14:08 |
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| mestery | blogan: You guys run a tight ship :) | 14:08 |
| jorgem | but the host should lead you to the right area | 14:08 |
| mestery | rm_work: Thanks! | 14:08 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: You mean the etherpad? | 14:08 |
| jorgem | correct | 14:08 |
| jorgem | sorry | 14:08 |
| * mestery wonders if the Spurs will be NBA Champs by the time we arrive next week :) | 14:08 | |
| * mestery realizes he doesn't follow basketball that close and the Spurs could already be NBA champs. | 14:09 | |
| jorgem | mestery: Yes be careful of crazy fans downtown whenever we win a game | 14:09 |
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| mestery | jorgem: :) | 14:09 |
| s3wong | mestery: if so, perhaps we will just be there for the parade... | 14:09 |
| jorgem | mestery: And traffic | 14:09 |
| blogan | mestery: if you're staying downtown and they do win then you'll see downtown getting shutdown | 14:09 |
| vjay4 | GoSpursGo | 14:09 |
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| mestery | blogan jorgem: I'm at the Aloft airport hotel, don't think that's downtown. | 14:09 |
| sballe | blogan, Wow cool! I saty downtown | 14:09 |
| blogan | mestery: no it's not | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | mestery: no that is not downtown | 14:09 |
| mestery | Great! | 14:10 |
| jorgem | mestery: correct but a cab ride downtown is less than 15 mins | 14:10 |
| mestery | jorgem: Nice! | 14:10 |
| german__ | and Austin is 2 hours or so away :-) | 14:10 |
| blogan | mestery: how will the hackathon work next week? we will be workign on blueprints and getting that code in quickly? | 14:10 |
| rm_work | I think San Antonio has Lyft now, and Uber is starting but they are not very big yet so it is hard to get them | 14:10 |
| sballe | when are they playing? Sorry I am out of touch with any sport that is not soccer ;-) | 14:10 |
| mestery | blogan: Ideally, yes, we can cracnk code, do reviews, and try to merge code. | 14:10 |
| rm_work | but I cannot comment on how well either work here, really | 14:11 |
| sbalukoff | mestery: Just FYI, one of the things high on the piority list for next week are the Neutron interface cleanup stuff. | 14:11 |
| mestery | sbalukoff: Absolutely! Myself and markmcclain are ready for that. | 14:11 |
| sballe | sbalukoff, mestery +1 Same here | 14:11 |
| blogan | mestery: will we try to get code in to clean up the tight integration points as well? | 14:11 |
| sbalukoff | Cool beans! | 14:11 |
| mestery | sbalukoff: We want to make sure we have those interfaces hardened for when LBaaS departs Neutron ;) | 14:11 |
| sballe | mestery, can you send them out ahead of the meeting ? | 14:11 |
| blogan | sbalukoff beat me to it | 14:11 |
| mestery | blogan: Hopefully, yes! | 14:11 |
| sbalukoff | Also, the sooner we can get that list of gaps from your perspective, the better! XD We absolutely wouldn't complain if we saw the list this week. :D | 14:11 |
| mestery | sballe: I'll see if I can do that, need to work with markmcclain on that front. | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | Cool! | 14:12 |
| mestery | sbalukoff: Cool. Like you, my time is somewhat constrained the next two days :( | 14:12 |
| sbalukoff | Yep, I hear you. | 14:12 |
| rm_work | mestery: well, there's always the weekend :) | 14:13 |
| sballe | mestery, sbalukoff same here :( Work related and not work related styff. My youngest is turning 9 and we have plans to have kids all over the house this wekend | 14:13 |
| mestery | rm_work: :P | 14:13 |
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| jorgem | Did everyone see my "weekly standup" etherpad doc? | 14:13 |
| sbalukoff | sballe: Nice! | 14:13 |
| sballe | jorgem, Yes I like it. | 14:13 |
| mestery | sbalukoff: Happy birthday to the youngest! I have a soon-to-be 10 year old in 3 weeks :) | 14:13 |
| jorgem | mestery: Was wondering about your thoughts on that. | 14:13 |
| mestery | sballe: | 14:13 |
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| mestery | jorgem: Lets move to that item now. | 14:14 |
| mestery | #topic Standup Etherpad | 14:14 |
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| mestery | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-lbaas-weekly-standup | 14:14 |
| mestery | jorgem: Do yo uwant to drive this section? | 14:14 |
| jorgem | sure | 14:14 |
| mestery | jorgem: thanks! | 14:14 |
| jorgem | So... | 14:14 |
| jorgem | Since there are a lot of people involved I wanted a way to get visibility on a weekly cadence | 14:14 |
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| jorgem | that way we don't step on eachothers toes and can effectively use our resources | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | I like it. | 14:15 |
| aburaschi | ( o/ ) | 14:15 |
| mestery | +1 | 14:15 |
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| german__ | +1 | 14:15 |
| dougwig | +1 | 14:15 |
| jorgem | The idea is everyone updates the etherpad before the weekly IRC meeting | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | And it means as a group we can potentially do more than 3-4 action items per week. | 14:15 |
| jorgem | part of the agenda is to ask any questions about the standup | 14:15 |
| sbalukoff | Which is great because we have so many people involved in this. :D | 14:16 |
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| jorgem | plus it should help us divvy out action items | 14:16 |
| german__ | yeah, I was looking for that scrum-of-scrum when we started coding | 14:16 |
| jorgem | don't think it is the "openstack" way but I'd like to try it out for a few weeks and see how it works | 14:16 |
| mestery | jorgem: This is a great idea, I like it! | 14:16 |
| jorgem | mestery: awesome | 14:16 |
| sbalukoff | Is there a more "openstack" way of doing this sort of thing? | 14:17 |
| jorgem | It would be nice to add a friendly reminder to the agenda email we send out every week too | 14:17 |
| mestery | jorgem: +1 | 14:17 |
| sbalukoff | +1 | 14:17 |
| dougwig | +1 | 14:17 |
| vjay4 | +1 | 14:17 |
| sballe | I agree but I want to make sure anybody can add themselvs to the list and contribute. | 14:17 |
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| german__ | it's an etherpad... | 14:18 |
| jorgem | Its a little bit of an overhead which is why I have only one person from each team responsible ie the contact | 14:18 |
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| sballe | Oh I was just thinking if somebody new wanted to join the party | 14:18 |
| jorgem | so I update for Rackspace, Susanne for HP, etc. | 14:18 |
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| sballe | I agree on the one person representign a company | 14:18 |
| jorgem | someone new can surely do that | 14:18 |
| jorgem | its by no means a dogmatic approach | 14:18 |
| sballe | Is everybody ok if I had this page to the Wiki? | 14:19 |
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| german__ | +1 | 14:19 |
| sbalukoff | sballe: Please do! | 14:19 |
| atiwari | o/ | 14:19 |
| sballe | Since it is part of our process I would like it to be on the Wiki | 14:19 |
| dougwig | +1 | 14:19 |
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| jorgem | sballe: I'm fine with that, related however is ALL the links we have | 14:19 |
| jorgem | I'm loosing track of all the etherpads we have | 14:19 |
| jorgem | losing* | 14:19 |
| german__ | me too | 14:19 |
| blogan | we've got a hornet's nest of etherpads | 14:19 |
| vivek_ebay | thats true | 14:19 |
| sballe | I already added many of the links and reorganized the Wiki page to fir "my" needs | 14:19 |
| jorgem | mestery: How do people usually organize all of the etherpad docs out there? | 14:20 |
| sballe | My totally selffish view is taht I need all the links on the wiki LBaaS homepage so I can find thme | 14:20 |
| mestery | jorgem: Sticky notes. :) | 14:20 |
| mestery | jorgem: To be honest, it's a challenging problem. | 14:20 |
| sbalukoff | It surely beats the folder of bookmarks I've been making in my browser. :P | 14:21 |
| mestery | jorgem: I recommend links from a wiki page, that seems to help. | 14:21 |
| jorgem | mestery: Gotcha, how about a relevant links central wiki page? | 14:21 |
| mestery | sbalukoff: Or leaving tabs open, which is my standard way | 14:21 |
| mestery | jorgem: Perfect! We may need to groom it occasionally, but it's doable. | 14:21 |
| jorgem | well, the weekly standup doc should also help | 14:21 |
| sballe | mestery, Yeah that was my way too. But it only works so far.. | 14:21 |
| sbalukoff | mestery: Yeah, that too. At a certain point the browser starts to crawl... | 14:21 |
| jorgem | if people could add relevant links to what you are working on that would be great | 14:21 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: +1 | 14:22 |
| jorgem | since it is contextual for the timeframe | 14:22 |
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| blogan | i think the neutron lbaas wiki needs to be groomed of pages no longer relevant | 14:22 |
| german__ | +1 | 14:22 |
| jorgem | blogan: go ahead :) | 14:22 |
| mestery | rm_work: 124?????? | 14:22 |
| rm_work | T_T | 14:22 |
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| rm_work | I am not good at closing tabs (not all are related to LBaaS :P) | 14:23 |
| jorgem | I only have so much RAM though! | 14:23 |
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| german__ | You can save a tab set :-) | 14:23 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: That should be safe enough to do: mediawiki should effectively keep an archived old version of the pages that get deleted in case anyone wants to look at them. And having the page gone is beter than having it have the wrong info. | 14:23 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: good point | 14:24 |
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| ptoohill | chrome plugin 'OneTab' is kinda nice too | 14:24 |
| blogan | so do we really not have much to talk about lbaas in this meeting then? nothing else to shore up before the hackathon? | 14:24 |
| sbalukoff | I personally would like to see all references to Quantum either updated or nuked. :P | 14:24 |
| sballe | sbalukoff, I would like to see them updated... | 14:25 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: I think we basically covered that in the agenda etherpad that sballe put together. | 14:25 |
| jorgem | does anyone have any questions on what people have been working on? | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | blogan: where will the api document be posted? | 14:26 |
| sballe | Would everybody be ok if I created a Boenyard page and put al the older section on the wiki in there | 14:26 |
| jorgem | based on the "standup"? | 14:26 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: but are there any items that we haven't come to a consensus on? I can think of one the M:N relationship between loadbalancers and listeners | 14:26 |
| sballe | We can deprecate them later once we know they are not needed | 14:26 |
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| blogan | mlavalle: it will most likely be a google doc at first and may put it on the wiki once thats complete | 14:26 |
| mlavalle | thanks | 14:27 |
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| sballe | blogan, Can you put the link there even before it is completed so we can find it and comment onit? | 14:27 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Lies. This group has no problem agreeing on everything. ;) | 14:27 |
| sballe | sbalukoff, +1 | 14:27 |
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| blogan | blogan: a link to the google doc you mean? | 14:27 |
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| blogan | i just referenced myself | 14:28 |
| blogan | im an idiot | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | Yes you did. | 14:28 |
| sballe | blogan, tes to the google doc | 14:28 |
| sbalukoff | No, it's early. | 14:28 |
| german | he is not in PST | 14:28 |
| * mestery hands blogan some strong coffee. | 14:28 | |
| blogan | sballe: thanks | 14:28 |
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| jorgem | mestery: I do have a question related to exposing API functionality, after this topic finishes | 14:28 |
| mestery | jorgem: Sure! | 14:28 |
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| dougwig | we're nerds. it's early in any time zone in the US. | 14:28 |
| sballe | mestery, jorgem I would liek to be part of that discussion | 14:29 |
| sballe | dougwig, +1 | 14:29 |
| jorgem | My goal is to expose as much API functionality as possible before the code freeze. This means the current ha proxy ref needs to have said functionality correct? | 14:29 |
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| jorgem | What happens if the current ref can't expose said functionality or other drivers can't? | 14:29 |
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| mestery | jorgem: That would be ideal. I think dougwig is planning to add that functionality into the current solution. | 14:30 |
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| mestery | jorgem: We should strive to expose the functionality as much as possible. | 14:30 |
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| jorgem | mestery: Correct but what if vendor drivers can't? | 14:30 |
| jorgem | What happens when that API call is made? | 14:30 |
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| jorgem | Does a "not supported" get returned to the API user? | 14:31 |
| mestery | jorgem: If a vendor driver can't support the API call, they could fail it. | 14:31 |
| dougwig | i would expect we should return an unsupported error. | 14:31 |
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| mestery | dougwig: +1 | 14:31 |
| german | +1 | 14:31 |
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| sbalukoff | Oh good! | 14:31 |
| jorgem | Okay, that leads me to another question... | 14:31 |
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| ptoohill | dougwig, you are working on updating the ref impl? | 14:31 |
| sbalukoff | It's good to hear we can do that. | 14:31 |
| samuelbercovici | this is what is expected - unsupurted | 14:31 |
| jorgem | Can the ref impl do the same? | 14:31 |
| samuelbercovici | jorgem: no in the past | 14:32 |
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| sbalukoff | Next question: Is it OK to "expose" API functionality even if the reference haproxy implementation can't do it yet? | 14:32 |
| vjay4 | what is the effect on the drivers? will new driver interfaces be defined | 14:32 |
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| dougwig | i think someone at rackspace was looking at that, but i'm happy to. the a10 driver will also implement it all, assuming it gets in. | 14:32 |
| samuelbercovici | otherwise the fetures cant be tested | 14:32 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: Yes my question exactly | 14:32 |
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| sbalukoff | jorgem: Yep! | 14:32 |
| ptoohill | Ok, i was just curious. I will be working on the blueprints to it today. | 14:33 |
| jorgem | mestery: The reason I am asking these questions is that once the freeze is in place we want to move at 100% on the operator grade impl | 14:33 |
| mestery | ptoohill: I may have confused you with dougwig, sorry. I've had a lot of conversations recently :) | 14:33 |
| jorgem | but if functionality is not expose then its moot | 14:33 |
| vjay4 | in case there is a driver which has not made any modifications will be existing VIP/Pool APIs work fine? | 14:33 |
| mestery | jorgem: Agreed! | 14:33 |
| jorgem | mestery: So your answer then? | 14:33 |
| mestery | jorgem: Yes, agreed. Lets focus on ensuring the existing reference implementation implements as much of the new stuff as possible. | 14:33 |
| ptoohill | :) | 14:33 |
| german | vjay4 that's the goal | 14:33 |
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| mestery | jorgem: ^^^ Does that make sense? | 14:33 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: let me know if i can help. i've been wallowing in the driver layer for quite some time now. | 14:34 |
| vjay4 | german: thanks! | 14:34 |
| jorgem | mestery: Is it a blocker it API functionality is exposed but ref impl doesnt implement it per say? | 14:34 |
| german | that's like vaporware | 14:34 |
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| mestery | jorgem: In general, yes, though there is some gray area there. Lets nail it down next week face to face. | 14:34 |
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| crc32 | I agre with sbalukoff we should impement optional features in the API that arn't yet supported by the ref impl. | 14:34 |
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| sbalukoff | german: It's very opinionated vaporware. :) | 14:35 |
| jorgem | mestery: Gotcha just want to make sure we figure that out | 14:35 |
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| mestery | jorgem: LEts make sure we have that as an item to close on next week face to face. | 14:35 |
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| jorgem | mestery: Because that can potentially change timelines | 14:35 |
| ptoohill | dougwig, after our meeting after this meeting ill probably ping you if youre available to maybe hash this out. I have some ideas to share and would love to hash it out with you | 14:35 |
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| sballe | crc32, +1 | 14:36 |
| mestery | jorgem: +1 | 14:36 |
| dougwig | ptoohill: sounds good.. will you be around at 10am mountain, so i have time to drink coffee and get into the office first? | 14:36 |
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| ptoohill | I have an hour meeting right after this and will be available right after. So, yes 10am your time should be good for me | 14:37 |
| german | jorgem, if we don't get the features in we can still add them to the operator implementation and bring them in early next cycle | 14:37 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: So nice to know I'm not the only one who does these Thursday meetings from bed. XD | 14:37 |
| jorgem | german: Yeah thats my concern I don't want to wait :) | 14:37 |
| sballe | german, +1 | 14:37 |
| sbalukoff | german: +1 | 14:37 |
| jorgem | I know velocity was the main reason we are doing all of this | 14:37 |
| sballe | jorgem, I agree that we should be able to have APIs return no-ops if the feature is not supported | 14:37 |
| ptoohill | I had questions regarding Stunnel also that i know sbalukoff is familiar with. We can maybe pull him in to if we have questions in that area :) | 14:38 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: I used to but jorgem forced me to make it to the office today. and I hate him now. | 14:38 |
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| jorgem | rm_work: :) | 14:38 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Seems justified to me. | 14:38 |
| dougwig | rm_work: lol | 14:38 |
| ptoohill | sballe jorgem +1 | 14:38 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Make sure to give him the stink eye for the rest of today at least. | 14:38 |
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| jorgem | We will talk about API functionality next week and also wanted to point out the notion of vendor lock-in. I'll add a topic to the agenda | 14:39 |
| sbalukoff | ptoohill: Does that question have to do with SSL session persistence when stunnel + haproxy are being used? | 14:39 |
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| sballe | jorgem, +1 | 14:39 |
| ptoohill | :) | 14:39 |
| ptoohill | sbalukoff, reading my mind | 14:39 |
| ptoohill | 'good luck with that' i take it :P | 14:40 |
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| sbalukoff | ptoohill: Pretty much. :) | 14:40 |
| german | ptoohill, haproxy has a "cluster" mode wouldn't that help | 14:41 |
| ptoohill | we have a couple other options like Stud, but considering this is ref impl i wouldnt want to spend too much time trying to decide which to use | 14:41 |
| sbalukoff | Though if you can figure out a way to do it, I'll personally have cookies sent to your office. | 14:41 |
| dougwig | cookie persistence should work fine. source ip is the challenge. | 14:41 |
| samuelbercovici | ptoohill: sbalukoff: in the TLS proposal we suggest to use different protocols in the listener to differentiate between HTTPS (non terminated) and TLS (terminated) this means that SSL stickiness might not ne needed/allowed for TLS | 14:41 |
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| ptoohill | that would work out then samuelbercovici | 14:41 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: just don't send us a USB key with a bunch of textfiles | 14:41 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: unless it's a nice one | 14:42 |
| sbalukoff | Haha | 14:42 |
| dougwig | samuelbercovici: i think that should be a backend decision. | 14:42 |
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| samuelbercovici | dougwig: does it make sense to do ssl session based stickiness and still terminate? | 14:43 |
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| dougwig | if you have a cranky old legacy server that has state, but still want ssl offload and such, yes. | 14:44 |
| samuelbercovici | fine by me. but this is something that stunnel + haproxy does not support | 14:45 |
| dougwig | yeah, that backend will have to throw unsupported. | 14:45 |
| samuelbercovici | originaly that idea was to try and standardize the api so that it is harmonized between vendors | 14:45 |
| samuelbercovici | such corner cases will make it difficult to do so | 14:46 |
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| samuelbercovici | but i am perfectly fine with having much open and letting the vendor driver fail if this is not supported | 14:47 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: The more we do that (appealing to the least common denominator) the fewer features we can support overall. It's a tough question because we don't want vendor lock-in, yet we want to be able to take advantage of features that not every vendor can do. | 14:47 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: I agree! | 14:47 |
| crc32 | +1 sbalukoff | 14:47 |
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| german | +1 | 14:47 |
| jorgem | and since we are a plugin right now extensions are kind of out of the question I think | 14:47 |
| dougwig | i think it might have to be a case-by-case thing? the ssl haproxy will probably support this, right? so it's got obvious future legs. something more obscure might be different. | 14:47 |
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| samuelbercovici | sbalukoff: it is fine when you do high level categories of features. ex tls support (yes/no) it becomes problematic if you get quirks in how the feture is supported | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Yep! | 14:48 |
| sbalukoff | samuelbercovici: Agreed! | 14:48 |
| Julian-Cash | samuelbercovici +1 | 14:48 |
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| sbalukoff | Ok... so we're coming down to 10 minutes left in this meeting. Are there other agenda items? | 14:49 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: not on the wiki | 14:49 |
| * mestery has nothing. | 14:49 | |
| mestery | Should we call it early? | 14:49 |
| sbalukoff | Holy crap, does that mean we actually got through the agenda? | 14:49 |
| blogan | mestery: good with me or we can just sit here and not say anything for 10 mins | 14:49 |
| Julian-Cash | :-D | 14:49 |
| mestery | blogan: :P | 14:49 |
| blogan | sbalukoff: easy to get through 2 items | 14:50 |
| samuelbercovici | TLS: lloks like the decision whether back-end encryption is supported without server authentiaction or not an all is not clear | 14:50 |
| * sballe +1 | 14:50 | |
| ptoohill | Ill be in neutron-lbaas to discuss the ref impl changes at roughly 11am cst | 14:50 |
| dougwig | 10 minute nap! | 14:50 |
| sballe | perfect | 14:50 |
| german | bloga, we had two items and used like 60 minutes for item #1 before | 14:50 |
| mestery | ptoohill: thanks! | 14:50 |
| mestery | Thanks everyone, and we'll see you all next week in San Antonio! | 14:50 |
| blogan | german: lol good point | 14:50 |
| mestery | Go Spurs! :) | 14:50 |
| german | bye | 14:50 |
| samuelbercovici | bye | 14:50 |
| blogan | mestery: yeah!!! | 14:50 |
| ptoohill | :) thank you mestery | 14:50 |
| dougwig | bye | 14:50 |
| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 12 14:50:47 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | bye | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-12-14.00.html | 14:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-12-14.00.txt | 14:50 |
| tmc3inphilly | Go Globetrotters | 14:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_lbaas/2014/neutron_lbaas.2014-06-12-14.00.log.html | 14:50 |
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| jorgem | btw if you come to SA with Miami apparel you've been warned... | 14:51 |
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| sbalukoff | Haha! | 14:51 |
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| dougwig | given that i wasn't even aware the NBA was playing right now, my risk of wearing any other team's apparel is about as high as wearing spurs stuff. | 14:51 |
| ptoohill | :) | 14:52 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Haha! Me too. I'm not much into sportsball myself. | 14:52 |
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| ptoohill | purple is a neutral color o.O | 14:52 |
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| sbalukoff | Still it would be interesting to see some San Antonio-style rioting, given the Seattle-style "rioting" I got to see when our team apparently won the Superbowl. | 14:53 |
| jorgem | we shall assimilate you then :) | 14:53 |
| jorgem | sbalukoff: nah are fans just get drunk lol. We don't riot and ruin our city | 14:54 |
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| jorgem | anywho | 14:54 |
| dougwig | hard to riot vs nap with a stomach full of bbq. | 14:54 |
| sbalukoff | jorgem: Neither did the SEattlites. XD | 14:54 |
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| jorgem | sbalukoff: Yeah I'm referring to those Lakers/Detroit fans | 14:55 |
| sbalukoff | Oh yes. | 14:55 |
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| jorgem | anyways our intern has a demo so I gtg. See ya! | 14:55 |
| sbalukoff | Seeya! | 14:55 |
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| eglynn | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 12 15:01:17 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eglynn. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:01 |
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| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:01 |
| sileht | o/ | 15:01 |
| nsaje | o/ | 15:01 |
| DinaBelova | o/ (50%) | 15:01 |
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| prad | o/ | 15:01 |
| eglynn | sorry for the slightly late start ... | 15:01 |
| fabiog | o/ | 15:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jd__ | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eglynn | #topic juno-2 planning | 15:02 |
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| gordc | o/ | 15:02 |
| eglynn | first things first, juno-1 is out! :) | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-1 | 15:02 |
| eglynn | thanks for your efforts folks! :) | 15:02 |
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| eglynn | most of what we'd target'd for juno-1 actually made it, which is good :) | 15:03 |
| eglynn | hbase-resource-rowkey-enhancement bumped to j2, but should land once the gremlins in the gate are squashed | 15:03 |
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| eglynn | ... also had to bump good patches for LP #1326250 #1326723 #1293337 to j2, due to gate lag :( | 15:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1326250 in ceilometer "swift broken when ceilometer middleware is enabled" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1326250 | 15:04 |
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| DinaBelova | btw - we actually merged first pack of tempest tests this morning - as tempest is branchless and etc. - we have our first tests in j1, really :) | 15:04 |
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| eglynn | DinaBelova: excellent! | 15:04 |
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| DinaBelova | eglynn, ;) | 15:04 |
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| sileht | the dream come true :) | 15:04 |
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| DinaBelova | so we are on our way :) | 15:05 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: \o/ :) | 15:05 |
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| eglynn | so, other than the bumpees from juno-1 ... | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | the cupboard is currently looking slightly bare WRT juno-2 ... | 15:06 |
| eglynn | #link https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/juno-2 | 15:06 |
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| eglynn | a very rough laundry list of stuff that may be in the game for j2 follows ... | 15:07 |
| fabiog | eglynn: I have a proposal that could land there - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95817/ | 15:07 |
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| eglynn | fabiog: thanks, I'll look off-line | 15:08 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: IIRC, there were some separate BP comments in the Gnocchi spec too | 15:08 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: got a link? | 15:08 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I'm not sure if any of those could fit into j-2 though | 15:08 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: I haven't checked if they were even created after, one of these is the pipeline design | 15:09 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: not sure what you mean by "BP comments in the Gnocchi spec"? | 15:09 |
| ildikov | eglynn: that it will be specified in a separate BP, like how the pipeline design will look like | 15:10 |
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| eglynn | a-ha, ok | 15:10 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: but maybe we just simply not there yet, I will check later | 15:10 |
| eglynn | so here's a very rough list of possibilities ... | 15:11 |
| eglynn | sql-a viability phase2 | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | documentation improvements | 15:11 |
| eglynn | event persisence in mongo | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | code-free meters | 15:11 |
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| eglynn | SNMP improvements | 15:11 |
| eglynn | central agent repartition | 15:11 |
| ildikov | eglynn: what do you mean by docco improvements? | 15:11 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: can we discuss central agent repartition a bit more? | 15:12 |
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| eglynn | ildikov: basically the TC gap coverage task | 15:12 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: one sec, lemme just run thru' the rough list quickly | 15:12 |
| eglynn | consume IPMI sensor data from ironic | 15:12 |
| Alexei_987 | k | 15:12 |
| eglynn | network services metering | 15:13 |
| eglynn | grenade phase2 (javelin) | 15:13 |
| eglynn | per-project pipeline | 15:13 |
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| eglynn | complex queries for stats | 15:13 |
| ildikov | eglynn: it's already a BP in OS Manuals and agreed to fit in j-2 somehow, so it's not on our list | 15:13 |
| eglynn | gnocchi/ceilo-core integration | 15:13 |
| eglynn | ildikov: k | 15:13 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: complex query waits for Gnocchi until someone tells me that it should be implemented for the current design | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | tempest testing - also j2, as I remember | 15:14 |
| ildikov | eglynn: the pipeline design for Gnocchi could fit into the last topic you mentioned | 15:14 |
| eglynn | DinaBelova: ... yep, tho' does it need a BP also? | 15:14 |
| eglynn | ildikov: yep | 15:14 |
| ildikov | eglynn: and on top of that can come the dynamic config and the per-project pipeline | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn - tempest spec | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | so probably no in the ceilo | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | so basically, if any you intend to work on any of the above item and there isn't already a BP spec | 15:15 |
| eglynn | ... please propose one to ceilometer-specs | 15:15 |
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| eglynn | did I leave out anything? | 15:16 |
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| zqfan | hi, I'd like to implement the bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/advanced-policy-rule in j-2, not sure if there is any conflict to our plan | 15:16 |
| zqfan | which is not approved yet :( | 15:16 |
| eglynn | zqfan: have you proposed a spec to ceilometer-specs? | 15:16 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I think it's a long enough rough list already ;) | 15:16 |
| zqfan | not yet, that is registered long time ago | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | so in general, here's how ttx wants the BP process to work now ... | 15:17 |
| eglynn | 1. propose spec to ceilo-specs | 15:17 |
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| eglynn | 2. core team review & approve | 15:17 |
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| ttx | 3. use my awesome spec2bp to turn the spec into a blueprint | 15:17 |
| eglynn | 3. ceilo-drivers or PTL files a corresponding BP on launchpad and links to the spec | 15:17 |
| eglynn | a-ha, ttx, even better! | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | ttx, heh - magic :) | 15:18 |
| ttx | (not ready yet) | 15:18 |
| zqfan | eglynn, ok, will upload the spec tomorrow | 15:18 |
| ttx | that was a teaser, sorry for interrupting :) | 15:18 |
| eglynn | zqfan: ... so the point is, the entry point is now ceilo-specs, not the launchpad BP | 15:18 |
| llu-laptop | ttx: where can we learn that magic? | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | llu-laptop - teaser :( | 15:18 |
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| zqfan | eglynn, ok | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | as ttx said :) | 15:19 |
| ttx | llu: will be in openstack-infra/release-tools when complete | 15:19 |
| llu-laptop | :( | 15:19 |
| eglynn | further ttx magic includes an auto-kick script that'll untarget any BPs that don't follow the above workflow | 15:19 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: so you wanted to discuss central agent repartition? | 15:19 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: small POC here https://github.com/temujin/ceilometer-parallel-agent/commit/cd154f22a0b15c7bf2f6dcbbe72404c71ca206bf | 15:19 |
| KurtRao | eglynn: can you please explain a little bit more about "code-free metering"? | 15:20 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: slight change in processing flow that allows us to fork central agent without external HA tools | 15:20 |
| eglynn | KurtRao: discussed at summit https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-snmp-inspector | 15:20 |
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| Alexei_987 | eglynn: so no need in master election | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | Alexei_987 - so you just make it stateless? | 15:20 |
| gordc | Alexei_987: any reason you want to avoid using taskflow? | 15:20 |
| eglynn | KurtRao: (second half of that etherpad) | 15:20 |
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| Alexei_987 | gordc: additional complexity in configuration | 15:21 |
| Alexei_987 | gordc: it's much easier to handle it on our side | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | gordc, I guess Alexei_987 is trying to avoid tooz :-\ | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | no the taskflow | 15:21 |
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| Alexei_987 | DinaBelova: any external lib brings configuration, maintanance, compatibility burden | 15:21 |
| Alexei_987 | if we can avoid using it why not? | 15:22 |
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| KurtRao | eglynn: got it. Very interesting feature | 15:22 |
| eglynn | Alexei_987: so the plan was to use taskflow/tooz for central agent & partitioned alarm eval | 15:22 |
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| Alexei_987 | eglynn: And my opinion is that we can change our algorithms so it won't be needed | 15:23 |
| llu-laptop | Alexei_987: how? | 15:23 |
| Alexei_987 | just like POC provided | 15:23 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: can you propose your PoC to gerrit? ... and we can continue the discussion there? | 15:23 |
| Alexei_987 | llu-laptop: using stuff that we already have available | 15:23 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: sure we can | 15:23 |
| Alexei_987 | eglynn: need to update tests so | 15:24 |
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| Alexei_987 | eglynn: my main question is do we want it or not? | 15:24 |
| koteswar16 | hi all, would you please approve this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95526/ | 15:24 |
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| jd__ | that's based on a database to distribute the tasks? | 15:25 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: yes | 15:25 |
| gordc | Alexei_987: i'd hold off on building tests | 15:25 |
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| Alexei_987 | gordc: why? | 15:25 |
| jd__ | ok, do not want | 15:25 |
| Alexei_987 | jd__: why? | 15:26 |
| gordc | Alexei_987: i think we all need to take a look at it first... so you don't waste your time | 15:26 |
| Alexei_987 | gordc: you can look on github in such case | 15:26 |
| Alexei_987 | and leave comments there | 15:26 |
| eglynn | koteswar16: that's a neutron patch? | 15:26 |
| Alexei_987 | gordc: on gerrit it will not pass jenkins | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | Alexei_987: k, if it's proposable to gerrit, let's do a pre-review on github | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | ... it's not proposable to gerrit | 15:27 |
| eglynn | move on? | 15:27 |
| Alexei_987 | ok | 15:27 |
| gordc | Alexei_987: yeah... but just saying. people will have questions about design alone... tests might be jumping the gun since plans might change.... if you're free i guess you can code tests. | 15:27 |
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| gordc | eglynn: works for me... we can comment on design offline. | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | #topic Gremlins in the gate | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | so a major spike in our py26 unit test failure rate | 15:28 |
| ildikov | eglynn: +1 | 15:28 |
| eglynn | http://jogo.github.io/gate/ | 15:28 |
| eglynn | due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1328679 | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328679 in ceilometer "string io errors in unit test" [Medium,Triaged] | 15:28 |
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| eglynn | sileht: white smoke on https://review.openstack.org/99654 ? | 15:28 |
| sileht | eglynn, yes | 15:28 |
| eglynn | sileht: \o/ :) | 15:29 |
| sileht | eglynn, because of eventlet we should never have timeout in tests | 15:29 |
| eglynn | sileht: ... so can you un-WIP the patch? | 15:29 |
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| sileht | eglynn, I want to do a tone of recheck to be sure it sufficient | 15:30 |
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| gordc | eglynn: am i reading graph right? the failures have disappeared as of today? | 15:30 |
| sileht | eglynn, I can't reproduce it locally | 15:30 |
| eglynn | sileht: cool, wise | 15:30 |
| eglynn | gordc: scroll down to the 3rd graph | 15:30 |
| llu-laptop | sileht: why we can't have timeout, it's a eventlet semaphore | 15:30 |
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| eglynn | gordc: sorry that's py27 ... my bad | 15:30 |
| ildikov | eglynn: that's py27 | 15:31 |
| koteswar16 | @Sylvain Afchain: would u please approve this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99654/ ?? | 15:31 |
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| gordc | eglynn: or just because we're not running tests... so it tapered off. | 15:31 |
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| sileht | llu-laptop, in case of test_notification is the first test to run, then eventlet pause it (because oslo.messaging use time.sleep), then all others tests are run (that take more than 2*30 seconds) | 15:32 |
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| sileht | llu-laptop, this is my guessing | 15:33 |
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| eglynn | sileht: so it sounds plausible, I guess we just need a few more green rechecks to give further confidence? | 15:33 |
| sileht | eglynn, yes | 15:34 |
| sileht | eglynn, but I think this is unreallated with the py27 gate issue, because this one seems fail only in py26 | 15:34 |
| eglynn | sileht: yeah I've only seen it on py26 | 15:35 |
| eglynn | sileht: cool enough... so once you're confident, let's try to get that puppy landed | 15:35 |
| eglynn | move on? | 15:35 |
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| eglynn | #topic TSDaaS/gnocchi update | 15:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "TSDaaS/gnocchi update (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:35 | |
| eglynn | jd__: the floor is yours, sir! | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | thanks | 15:36 |
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| jd__ | So as promised I've started to integrate with Ceilometer | 15:36 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:36 |
| jd__ | the PoC has been developed as a dispatcher driver | 15:36 |
| jd__ | so it plugs at the collector level, and tries to map the samples received to what Gnocchi expects | 15:37 |
| jd__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98798/ | 15:37 |
| eglynn | *cough*, *cough* ... is that somthing that could be written up in a BP spec possibly? | 15:37 |
| jd__ | it's early stage and for now it just create the instances resources in Gnocchi that's it | 15:37 |
| jd__ | eglynn: probably yeah | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | eglynn, ts-s! don't tell jd__ about the specs :) | 15:37 |
| jd__ | DinaBelova did a nice schema to represent that for people interested | 15:37 |
| * jd__ stares at DinaBelova for the URL | 15:37 | |
| * DinaBelova looking for it | 15:38 | |
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| DinaBelova | https://docs.google.com/a/mirantis.com/drawings/d/1OMqtrgtvWLu_SYEh-g8K0iiIC6lrBWhn8G6KGGIkpS4/edit?usp=drive_web | 15:38 |
| eglynn | #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1OMqtrgtvWLu_SYEh-g8K0iiIC6lrBWhn8G6KGGIkpS4/editDinaBelova: | 15:38 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:38 |
| jd__ | I'm not sure I'll make a lot of progress in the next days as I've other things on my plate | 15:38 |
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| jd__ | other than that, I'll do a hangout to do a walkabout of the source code for people interested in jumping in | 15:39 |
| eglynn | jd__: do you wanna mention that code walk-thru' tenatively planned for monday? | 15:39 |
| eglynn | snap! | 15:39 |
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| jd__ | #link https://plus.google.com/events/c7nbeqejlp0ot3lh3trss11meok | 15:39 |
| koteswar16 | @eglynn: Yes neutron patch. but related to ceilometer labels... | 15:39 |
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| jd__ | so feel free to join | 15:39 |
| eglynn | thanks jd__! | 15:40 |
| jd__ | that's all boss | 15:40 |
| DinaBelova | jd__, cool, thanks | 15:40 |
| eglynn | #topic Ceilometer sub-sprint at QA/Infra mid-cycle meetup in Darmstadt, Germany | 15:40 |
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| ildikov | jd__: thanks, this walk-thru is a really good idea! | 15:40 |
| eglynn | I mentioned this QA mid-cycle on the channel during the week | 15:41 |
| eglynn | ... bringing up here again for completeness | 15:41 |
| eglynn | mtreinish floated the idea of using one of the QA/Infra mid-cycle days as a ceilometer testing sub-sprint | 15:41 |
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| eglynn | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Qa_Infra_Meetup_2014 | 15:41 |
| eglynn | (prolly July 17th or 18th) | 15:41 |
| ildikov | eglynn: do we have a deadline to decide? | 15:41 |
| eglynn | not a hard deadline | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov - the thing is we need at least two ceilo ATCs to be there... | 15:42 |
| eglynn | exactly ... critical mass >= 2 ceilo folks | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | I hope to attend the Paris event - so I'll have no chance to be in Darmstadt | 15:42 |
| DinaBelova | if so | 15:42 |
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| DinaBelova | :) | 15:42 |
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| eglynn | so just wanted to throw out the idea on the table so folks can think about it | 15:43 |
| ildikov | DinaBelova: well, not impossibly big number at least :) | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov, yes, for sure :) | 15:43 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I may can convince my managers | 15:43 |
| eglynn | cool | 15:43 |
| DinaBelova | ildikov - if so, please tell me | 15:43 |
| ildikov | eglynn: I wanted to catch up with testing anyway, it seems to be an effective way | 15:43 |
| eglynn | gimme a shout over the next couple days if anyone else would be interested | 15:43 |
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| DinaBelova | I'd like to discuss this tempest topic before you'll be there :) | 15:44 |
| eglynn | ... it's a bit tentative still | 15:44 |
| eglynn | move on? | 15:44 |
| koteswar16 | @eglynn: can some one approve my change? | 15:45 |
| eglynn | #topic Open discussion | 15:45 |
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| ildikov | DinaBelova: sure, I will use the cat look from Shrek, if nothing else works ;) | 15:45 |
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| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:45 |
| eglynn | koteswar16: we're in a meeting, can it wait? | 15:45 |
| koteswar16 | ok | 15:45 |
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| ildikov | koteswar16: check back on the Ceilo channel after the meeting | 15:45 |
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| gordc | ... i guess we're going to finish on time for once? :) | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | gordc: LOL :) ... looks like it | 15:47 |
| ildikov | gordc: LOL :) | 15:47 |
| gordc | sweet! | 15:47 |
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| eglynn | ... and the world cup doesn't even start for another what, another 4 hours? :) | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | gordc: we deserve it after the overbooked last 3 or more meetings :) | 15:48 |
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| ildikov | eglynn: pub chosen or beer already in the fridge at home? ;) | 15:49 |
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| eglynn | ok that's a wrap ... thanks for a productive meeting | 15:49 |
| eglynn | #endmeeting ceilometer | 15:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 12 15:49:39 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-12-15.01.html | 15:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-12-15.01.txt | 15:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-12-15.01.log.html | 15:49 |
| llu-laptop | sileht: can we discuss a little bit more on #openstack-ceilometer about LP 1328679? | 15:49 |
| sileht | llu-laptop, sure | 15:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1328679 in ceilometer "string io errors in unit test" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1328679 | 15:49 |
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| zqfan | I want to test that bug on local env, but I find it is very hard to install py26 on ubuntu 12.04, I fix a bulk of issues but still fail eventually | 15:51 |
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| chmartinez | o/ | 15:53 |
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| chmartinez | sorry to interrupt... Is this the ceiilometer meeting,? | 15:55 |
| eglynn | chmartinez: you just missed it | 15:55 |
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| eglynn | chmartinez: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2014/ceilometer.2014-06-12-15.01.html | 15:55 |
| chmartinez | eglynn: ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff | 15:55 |
| chmartinez | :( | 15:56 |
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| chmartinez | eglynn: I totally forgot about it!! | 15:56 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 12 22:00:48 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:00 |
| mtreinish | Hi who's here today? | 22:00 |
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| dkranz | Hi | 22:00 |
| masayuki_ | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_12_2014_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| maurosr | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | hi | 22:01 |
| meera | hi | 22:01 |
| dpaterson | hi | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | ok, lets get started | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Review | 22:02 |
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| cyeoh | hi | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: you had a spec on the agenda | 22:02 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/93037 | 22:02 |
| dmorita | Hi | 22:02 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes, I just wanted a decision about the xml issue per the two choices I added to the agenda | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I don't see how it's much more work. It's just an extra call in the xml clients | 22:03 |
| mtreinish | it's a lot of copy and paste | 22:04 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Yes. I guess we should do it. | 22:04 |
| afazekas | hi | 22:04 |
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| dkranz | afazekas: late night :) | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: heh, ok then I guess we agree. Is there anything else on this spec? | 22:04 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: No, I think it is good to go. | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | ok, then does anyone else have a spec review that they'd like to bring up? | 22:05 |
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| dpaterson | Quick chat on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91725/? | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: ok | 22:06 |
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| afazekas | A little bit related to this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/95794/ . We should print the console log an all ssh connection failure ASAP | 22:06 |
| dpaterson | So it seems that there is need for a cleanup type tool but quite different than I originally planned | 22:07 |
| dpaterson | No database cleanup for instance | 22:07 |
| dpaterson | I am going to update the spec in the next day or so but would like input before I do. | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: yeah having a leak detector/cleanup tool is something we've talked about for a long time | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: I think I put most of my thoughts in the review | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | dpaterson: you can ping me whenever on -qa if you've got specific questions when you're re-drafting it | 22:09 |
| dpaterson | So my take away from the comments I received is that the tool should help locate the root cause in OpenStack. | 22:09 |
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| afazekas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35516/ | 22:09 |
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| afazekas | My old approach for cleaning things.. | 22:09 |
| dpaterson | mtrenish: sounds good | 22:09 |
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| cyeoh | yea leak detection seems more important than a cleanup tool - so we can fix the test | 22:10 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: on that spec if you're ready for reviews on you got to make it pass the docs jobs and have a lp bp to match the spec | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: yeah, they're tightly coupled | 22:11 |
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| afazekas | cyeoh: the old approach is easy, the other one is complicated with handling auth and multiple clients , tenant isolation ... | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | ok are there any other specs people want to bring up? | 22:11 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: right, except we don't want to get into the habit of just always running the cleanup tool because its the easy thing to do | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | cyeoh: I think that's fine as long as reports what it's doing | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | so we can debug it | 22:12 |
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| mtreinish | the point at which we identify leaked resources, running a delete on it after reporting it is no real extra effort | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | ok, if there aren't any other specs let's move on | 22:14 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | so Juno-1 was this week | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | we had 4 bps targetting it: | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | #link https://launchpad.net/tempest/+milestone/juno-1 | 22:15 |
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| afazekas | mtreinish: do it inside a parallel test suite is complicated | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | 2 of them are still under spec review so if everyone can prioritize those reviews that would be great | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | sdague, andreaf: are you guys around? | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: no one said it was going to be easy :) | 22:16 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: The stress one also has lots of code to review | 22:16 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yeh, sorry | 22:16 |
| andreaf | I'm here... On my mobile thought | 22:16 |
| dkranz | andreaf: Wow | 22:16 |
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| mtreinish | sdague, andreaf: I was just wondering what the status of your j-1 targetted bps were | 22:17 |
| sdague | yeh, so all my bps are wrecked after discovering javelin wasn't really working right at summit, and that was wrecked by the gate backup | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok then I'll push it back to j-2 | 22:17 |
| sdague | yeh | 22:17 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: yours was: Tempest support for testing against multiple keystone API versions | 22:17 |
| sdague | also, the outstanding work on branchless is basically the extensions lists | 22:17 |
| dkranz | sdague: what more needs to be done for branchless tempest? | 22:18 |
| sdague | which I can give someone a quick overview on how to do it | 22:18 |
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| sdague | dkranz: realistically I think it's just extensions | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: isn't just spin up icehouse devstack and grab the feature flags | 22:18 |
| mtreinish | then dump it in the devstack gate yaml | 22:18 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: well the processor for that is also needed | 22:18 |
| sdague | so the communication path to actually get those set in tempest.conf | 22:18 |
| sdague | that's actually the part that will take work | 22:19 |
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| mtreinish | ahh, ok I assumed that was already done | 22:19 |
| mtreinish | yeah that would take a bit more effort | 22:19 |
| sdague | no, we didn't need that for services | 22:19 |
| sdague | as that's actually set in devstack | 22:20 |
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| sdague | everything in there so far was setable in localrc | 22:20 |
| sdague | so ... volunteers welcomed :) | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | ok, yeah then let's definitely push it back to j-2 | 22:20 |
| sdague | yep | 22:20 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: I'm back - on a laptop this time | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: heh ok | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | I was just asking about your open j-1 bp | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/multi-keystone-api-version-tests | 22:21 |
| mtreinish | should we push it back to j-2? | 22:21 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: on my side the multi auth version is stuck on the scenario test, because of missing features in the official clients | 22:22 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok then let's defer it, is there anything we can do to grease the wheels on getting the v3 stuff in the official clients? | 22:23 |
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| andreaf | I think that's the only one on j-1 | 22:23 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: you also have an open spec review, but I'll push that one back :) | 22:24 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: so re bp, did anyone have a chance to have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98400/ already? | 22:24 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: oh ok | 22:24 |
| andreaf | thanks | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: not yet | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: I;ll take a look after the meeting | 22:24 |
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| mtreinish | ok that's all I had for bps, does anyone have anything else on the topic? | 22:25 |
| andreaf | I wanted to ask about the tempest server /client / test repo | 22:25 |
| andreaf | mainly about how we split work into different bps | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, can we save it for the open discussion, we've got a full agenda today | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | I know I keep pushing it back | 22:25 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: sure np | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Disabling nova v3 API tests by default | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-June/037370.html | 22:26 |
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| mtreinish | so if you didn't see the ML thread I started yesterday | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | I think it would be a good idea to move the v3 api tests to periodic/experimental | 22:27 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: +1 | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | I've pushed out the patches to start doing this, but I wanted to bring it up here | 22:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: +1 | 22:27 |
| cyeoh | btw me suggestion re scenario was to remove v3 scenario tests, not v2 ones | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: I don't think there are any v3 scenario tests | 22:28 |
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| cyeoh | oh they probably haven't finished merging then | 22:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: there are some patches for them | 22:28 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: The one problem I see is that we made v2 depend on v3 classes a while back | 22:28 |
| mtreinish | ah, ok I must not have seen those, but I've got a big review backlog | 22:28 |
| cyeoh | I guess my concern is around regression, but if there simply isn't the capacity to do the testing anymore then they'll have to be dropped | 22:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Things like the client check change could easily cause v3 to break | 22:29 |
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| cyeoh | I guess I'd flag that this is going to be an issue again when v2.1 rolls out and even more when v2.1microversions | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah we'll just have to be vigilant about the check experimental | 22:29 |
| cyeoh | so capacity issues are not going to go away | 22:29 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: So the question is if we care about keeping the experimental/periodic working | 22:29 |
| cyeoh | I think we want at least periodic | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | cyeoh: yeah I've also started testing dropping the nova xml v2 tests | 22:30 |
| maurosr | so we want to assure that no regression happened on v2.1 compared with what v3 is right now? is that right cyeoh ? | 22:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: What if we left it in the gate for just tempest? | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | so we'll probably trade that for v2.1 microversions | 22:30 |
| maurosr | if so maybe a grenade upgrading v3 => v2.1 once we start 2.1 + microversioning | 22:30 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I mean check | 22:30 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: check not experimental for tempest | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: it should be symmetric otherwise we'll have issues | 22:31 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: what about having both periodic and experimental? | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | maurosr: it's still going to be configurable so we can add that to the grenade job | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: that's what I proposed doing | 22:31 |
| afazekas | What if we remove the v3 tests form all job and creating v3 only voting job ? | 22:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: We can see what happens | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: that doesn't solve the resource starvation which we're trying to address | 22:32 |
| afazekas | v3 means just runs the v3 tests. | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ^^^ | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: it just shifts were we use resources | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: yeah I think let's give it a try | 22:32 |
| mtreinish | and if we have huge issues we can easily turn it back on | 22:32 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: so with the periodic job - will the results be sent in a clearly identifiable email that we can filter on? | 22:32 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: I predict that saying we will keep it working and removing it from the gate will turn out badly | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: yeah it goes to pseudo defunct openstack-qa list | 22:33 |
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| afazekas | BTW: resource starvation, do we want avoid the 'server' reuse in the test runs, or doing it more ? | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | cyeoh: also you can check here: http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-qa/ for the logs | 22:33 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: ok. its just that anything "manual" is likely to get dropped just when we need it | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: yeah that's the risk | 22:34 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: but if there some way I can get automate on my end - to at least signal a group of us when we have new failure than that's at least less bad | 22:34 |
| cyeoh | (might be able to do that through parsing the email) | 22:34 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: yeah, I can also add a second email trigger for that job to send it somewhere else (I think) | 22:35 |
| cyeoh | anyway if we don't have the resources then we don't have any choice so I'll live with what we can get :-) | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | cyeoh: heh, ok | 22:35 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: that would be really great! | 22:35 |
| mtreinish | we can work with -infra on figuring out a way to get what we need out of the reporting | 22:36 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: sorry I have to drop off | 22:36 |
| cyeoh | ok | 22:36 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then I'll start pushing out the rest of the patches to drop the v3 tests from the gate | 22:36 |
| sdague | cyeoh: honestly my other concern is that v3 wasn't really living up to the tempest standards of it's stable and versioned | 22:36 |
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| sdague | and we were starting to hit patches that were trying to change it only in juno | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to finish pushing out patches to drop running v3 from the gate | 22:37 |
| mtreinish | sdague: well that's a good segway into the next topic | 22:37 |
| cyeoh | sdague: at this stage I just want to stop it from regressing whilst we're busy distracted with v2.1 on v3 and microversions | 22:37 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Experimental tag (cyeoh) | 22:38 |
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| sdague | cyeoh: sure, but it's experimental. I'm not sure what regressing really means at this point. | 22:38 |
| cyeoh | sdague: regressing means lots of unexpected fixups as we roll v3 features in v2.1microversions | 22:38 |
| cyeoh | so I think the experimental tag came up because in Nova we want to move to the model where new API features may be experimental for one cycle | 22:39 |
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| cyeoh | because unfortunately we have a history of getting things wrong. We want to be able to signal to users that this API may change, but we think its stable (say 90% of the time we're right) | 22:40 |
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| cyeoh | but having a tempest change to block *accidental* API changes would be really nice | 22:40 |
| cyeoh | to stop the situation which I've seen: | 22:40 |
| sdague | cyeoh: well from my tempest hat, I kind of hate that idea :) | 22:41 |
| cyeoh | 1. developer makes breaking API change | 22:41 |
| sdague | because landing a test in tempest means you are committing to that API | 22:41 |
| cyeoh | 2. sees unittest fail and *change* unittest | 22:41 |
| cyeoh | 3. lots of other unittests are changed and reviewers don't notice and patch merges | 22:41 |
| cyeoh | but having a tempest test fail makes people rething what is going on (its like a safety net) | 22:42 |
| sdague | so that's fine, but as tempest scope has grown, I think we need to push this kind of responsibility back into the project | 22:42 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I don't see what is wrong with having an experimental api as long as it is marked as such | 22:42 |
| sdague | dkranz: it's a lot of extra review load when people show up wanting to change it | 22:42 |
| mtreinish | cyeoh: I get where you're coming from, but I think if you want to have tempest tests do that there should have to be consistency between all the releases the api is in | 22:43 |
| sdague | under the excuse that 'it was experiment!' | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | which means backporint breaking api changes to get it landed | 22:43 |
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| sdague | branchless tempest doesn't really make this a possibility unless it's going to backport to all supported openstack branches at once | 22:43 |
| cyeoh | mtreinish: I don't think we'd want to backport the breaking change | 22:43 |
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| cyeoh | we'd only want the test run against the latest version | 22:44 |
| sdague | cyeoh: yep, not really an option | 22:44 |
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| sdague | if you want that, it should live in the nova tree | 22:44 |
| cyeoh | sdague: I see your POV around load on tempest and pushing this work back to the projects | 22:44 |
| dkranz | sdague: So that is what Maru is proposing for neutron basically | 22:45 |
| sdague | dkranz: yes | 22:45 |
| sdague | which I think is really good idea | 22:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: Which we agreed was a good idea | 22:45 |
| cyeoh | I guess I just see it as the QA project doing less for other openstack projects | 22:45 |
| sdague | dkranz: yes, I'm actually 100% fine with that approach | 22:45 |
| sdague | cyeoh: only so many cycles | 22:45 |
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| sdague | as you are aware, most projects in openstack outnumber QA :) | 22:46 |
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| cyeoh | sure, I understand. it does mean that the likelyhood of projects accidentally shooting themselves in the foot is higher :-) | 22:46 |
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| dkranz | cyeoh: only when experimental | 22:46 |
| sdague | right, and experimental is different | 22:46 |
| dkranz | cyeoh: the tests would move into tempest when stable | 22:46 |
| sdague | stuff comes to tempest when it's something that's being committed to as a public interface | 22:47 |
| maurosr | any chance that we keep doing it just adding a skip, changing the test once it's merged, as we do? I mean the only concern is really think twice when someone skips a test | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | maurosr: that's the current path but to unskip you need to backport the change | 22:47 |
| dkranz | maurosr: The problem is that tempest and its reviewers are gatekeepers | 22:47 |
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| dkranz | and gatekeeping is expensive | 22:47 |
| sdague | maurosr: remember, we're evolving towards on tempest across all branches of all projects | 22:47 |
| maurosr | yeah I know | 22:47 |
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| maurosr | cyeoh: backporting would be a problem from nova 2.1 pov? | 22:48 |
| cyeoh | maurosr: I'm not sure what you mean | 22:48 |
| cyeoh | v2.1 will look exactly like v2 | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | ok, well we're at ~10min left so let's move on we've still got a few topics on the agenda | 22:49 |
| maurosr | if we have discoverability to know that api is available, propose something, eventually break it cause it was wrong from the begining, then we accept that we need to skip test on tempest and backport it in nova first unstable version would solve the issue | 22:49 |
| sdague | honestly, the testing paradigm on micro versioning is going to require some effort as well. I think that effort is best spent there instead of chasing experimental | 22:49 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: kk | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | maurosr, cyeoh: we can take this to -qa after the meeting | 22:50 |
| maurosr | sure | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | #topic Neutron Testing | 22:50 |
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| cyeoh | mtreinish: sure | 22:50 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: are you around? | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | yes | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | we merged another of the api test patchsets today | 22:50 |
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| mlavalle | so we only have another 2 to go of the original set | 22:51 |
| mlavalle | This week I am writing the scenarios tutorial that we are going to add to the tempest docs | 22:51 |
| sdague | mlavalle: so how close is the neutron full job? | 22:51 |
| sdague | because I'd honestly really like to cut over before we add any more neutron tests | 22:51 |
| sdague | so we can reclaim the smoke tag | 22:51 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: +1, we really need to make that migration | 22:52 |
| mlavalle | sdague: the neutron full job is depending in some Neutron bugs | 22:52 |
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| mlavalle | I will follow up with salvatore and see exactly where we are there | 22:52 |
| mlavalle | I will do that by early next week | 22:53 |
| sdague | mlavalle: great | 22:53 |
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| mlavalle | abnd finally I am attending the LBaaS code sprint in SAT to make any adjustments to the current test | 22:53 |
| mlavalle | SAT == San Antonio | 22:54 |
| mlavalle | and for the sake of brevity that's all I have this week | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | does anyone else have something to discuss about neutron testing? | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | otherwise let's move on | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | ok does anyone have any reviews that they need to get eyes on | 22:55 |
| mtreinish | although considering the gate backup things will still be slow to get the +A probably | 22:56 |
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| afazekas | Hard coded 10.0.3.0/24 net in in the heat neutron stack was overlaping with several gate machine ip (host) https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1297560 most of the heat-slow test was failued becues of this. | 22:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1297560 in tempest "*tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow fails with WaitConditionTimeout" [Undecided,In progress] | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: that's the patch you pushed out earlier today right? | 22:56 |
| afazekas | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/99694/ | 22:56 |
| stevebaker | afazekas: ++! this might help heat-slow be voting again | 22:56 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: yes | 22:56 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: ok yeah I'll take a look at that after the meeting | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | are there any other reviews? | 22:57 |
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| mtreinish | ok then with ~2 min left I guess I'll open the floor | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | #topic open discussion | 22:58 |
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| mtreinish | meera: for your bp that you put on the agenda you need to open a spec for it | 22:58 |
| mtreinish | meera: https://github.com/openstack/qa-specs/blob/master/README.rst | 22:58 |
| meera | mtreinish: sure will do | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | meera: it should be pretty quick the specs for adding tests for a project don't need to have much detail | 22:59 |
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| asselin | anyone get a chance to look at my stress test bp? | 22:59 |
| asselin | presented last week? | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | asselin: I have some draft comments I'll finish them up tomorrow | 22:59 |
| asselin | mtreinish, thanks | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | I think they were mostly around the formatting though | 22:59 |
| meera | mtreinish: I would like to get some information on the infra/devstack changes needed to enable adding tests for the barbican service | 22:59 |
| mtreinish | meera: sure you can ask in -infra or -qa | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | ok well that's time | 23:00 |
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| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 23:00 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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