Friday, 2014-06-06

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cyeoh#startmeeting nova-api00:01
openstackMeeting started Fri Jun  6 00:01:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_api'00:01
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cyeohHi - who do we have here today?00:01
alex_xuhi00:01
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maurosrhey00:02
GMannhi00:02
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oomichihi00:02
cyeohok let's get started00:02
cyeoh#topic v2.1 on v300:02
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cyeohso I brought up v2.1 on v3, microversions and the policy checks in the api nova-specs in the nova meeting today00:03
cyeohso hopefully they will get more eyeballs on them over the next few days00:03
alex_xucyeoh, thanks00:03
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cyeohmuch of the microversion discussion is now to be done at the mid cycle, though we can proceed without v2.1 on v3 without it00:04
cyeohhopefully we'll get the v2.1 on v3 stuff spec approved soon so we can start merging00:04
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cyeohdid anyone have anything they want to talk about the v2.1 on v3?00:05
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maurosri have one question00:05
maurosrsince I'm rejoining this after so long00:05
maurosrso, the thing is v2.1 on top of v3 adding micro versioning for now on?00:06
cyeohmaurosr: sure, go ahead!00:06
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cyeohso the first stage is v2.1 on top of v3 without microversioning00:06
cyeoheg a set of "translation" like layers on top of v3 which makes it respond like v2, but with strong input validation00:06
oomichicyeoh: nice plan :-)00:06
maurosrright, cause I made a comment on rev 6 of the spec, I was kind of thinking that, since we need to support v2 (with translation layer), why not start with v2, then microversioning, and coverge it to v3 status?00:07
cyeohthe next step is microversions, so as we slowly roll out v3 type functionality, or say the tasks api, we bump the microversion (this a client request header)00:07
maurosrmaybe it's silly question, but I'm trying to know the ground here hehe00:07
cyeohyep, so we slowly expose more of the v3 functionality (or other new features) through microversions00:07
cyeohthe goal is throw away the old v2 api code, so we leave that alone as much as possible. That way we get the v3 api framework (plugins, input validation etc)00:08
maurosryeah, got that,00:08
maurosrright00:08
maurosrjust thought that would made easier the effort on support old v2 calls00:08
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cyeohthe most important goal for this cycle is to get v2.1 functionality equivalent to v200:09
maurosralright, got it00:09
GMannCyeoh: 1 quick question- are we going to expose the V3 URL/request changes also ? i think those should be then through Major version right?00:09
cyeohyea unfortunately starting with the old v2 code is a much riskier proposition because we may accidentally make backwards incompatible changes to v200:09
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maurosrbut the backwards would be solved by microversioning00:10
cyeohGMann: I think we'll probably leave it for now because it makes it easier to leave the tempest regression testing running. Long term, yes it would be via microversions00:10
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maurosrand sorry, I wasn't involved before and appear here throwing ideas00:10
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cyeohmaurosr: the risk is that because we're changing the v2 api code (and there are lots of internal cleanups) we would accidentally make behavioural changes to the old v2 code00:11
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cyeohand the regression tests would not pick it up00:11
GManncyeoh: ok Thanks.00:11
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maurosrfine, you have a good point00:11
cyeohby "freezing" the old v2 api code the risk is a lot lower we can test them side-by-side00:12
cyeohin icehouse we ended up making a few backwards incompatible changes accidentally :-(00:12
oomichicyeoh: will you take your time for v2.1 specs today? I'd like to work it together for pushing it earlier.00:12
cyeohoomichi: please feel free to an update to the v2.1 spec today if you'd like00:13
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oomichicyeoh: thanks, will do it:)00:13
cyeohoomichi: thx!00:14
cyeoh#topic microversions00:14
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cyeohas I mentioned before much of this discussion has been delayed to the mid-cycle meetup00:14
cyeohis anyone here able to attend the mid cycle in person (I'll be attending remotely)00:14
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cyeohok I guess we can discuss that later. I'll update the spec in the next few days based on the review feedback (and I need to still do more reading up on how other REST apis do microversions)00:16
cyeohbut everyone should feel free to update the spec if they're interested too00:16
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cyeohanything that anyone wants to discuss about microversions?00:16
oomichiyes00:16
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cyeohoomichi: please go ahead00:17
oomichiDo additional API parameters break backward compatibilities?00:17
oomichithat is a concern about microversion, I feel.00:17
cyeohso I think at least for openstack REST APIs people say no00:17
cyeohthats what our wiki page says about acceptable changes00:18
maurosrimo in the response no, in the request only if they become mandatory00:18
oomichiah, thanks. I agree:)00:18
cyeohoh yes that is true (though I was thinking about output rather than input)00:18
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maurosr*I guess required is the right word hehe00:18
cyeohunder microversions we'll still be bumping either the global version or minor version though00:18
cyeoh(depending on which microversion model we take)00:19
maurosragreed00:19
cyeohanything else on microversions?00:19
oomichiyea, lets discuss it on nova-specs:)00:19
cyeohoomichi: sounds good00:20
cyeoh#topic tasks api00:20
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cyeohso alaski couldn't make the meeting today, but he asked if we could have another look at his spec for the tasks api00:21
cyeoh#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86938/00:21
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cyeohand more specifically around whether a server create should return a task which contains server information, or server information which returns task information00:22
cyeohas we need to nail down exactly what the output looks like00:22
cyeohso if you can, please go have a look and comment on the spec00:22
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oomichiyes, will try it also later.00:23
oomichione question00:23
oomichicyeoh: will tasks api also appear on microversion?00:23
cyeohyea I imagine it'll be the first big microversion test case00:24
oomichicyeoh: ok, big microversion:-)00:24
cyeohwe might roll in a really trivial microversion change first just to make sure things are working properly00:24
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cyeohyep!00:24
oomichiI got it, thanks. will see it on this considering.00:25
cyeohcool :-)00:25
cyeohso I think the rest of the stuff on the agenda is old stuff from previous meetings and a bit out of date.00:26
cyeoh#topic open discussion00:26
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cyeohbut bring up anything you like now....00:26
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cyeohis there anything anyone wants to talk about? Or do we get a short meeting :-)00:27
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cyeohok we all get to leave early. thanks everyone!00:29
oomichithanks!00:29
maurosrtks, bye00:29
alex_xubye00:29
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cyeoh#endmeeting00:29
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pafuent#startmeeting blazar15:03
openstackMeeting started Fri Jun  6 15:03:02 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pafuent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'blazar'15:03
pafuentAgenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Blazar15:03
cmarto/15:04
pafuento/15:05
mspreitzhere15:05
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bauzaso/15:07
bauzas(sorry, was around)15:07
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Nikolay_Sto/15:08
pafuentOk, so let's start15:08
pafuent#topic Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries15:08
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pafuentbauzas and I have the action of define a strategy for the renaming15:09
bauzasyey15:09
bauzassorry, was really busy this week due to juno-1 closing15:10
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pafuentbauzas: No problem15:10
pafuentI managed to get a PoC to achieve that15:10
bauzasbut I saw your pings15:10
bauzasgreat15:10
bauzasI see you make use of aliases ?15:10
bauzasany PR we could review ?15:10
pafuentNo, because I want to check with you first, but I could submit some patches to review15:11
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pafuentThe great thing is that we will do the renaming in small patches if we want15:11
bauzaspafuent: ok, then let's postpone this task next week15:11
pafuentThe alias let us to have imports from climate and blazar mixed15:12
bauzasbut a PR would be helpful15:12
bauzasmark it as WIP15:12
pafuentbauzas: PR?15:12
bauzasa patch15:12
pafuentOK15:12
bauzaspropose a patch, and I'll review it15:12
bauzasI'll have very limited access to Internet next week, as I'll be traveling15:13
pafuent#action pafuent propose patches for renaming Climate to Blazar15:13
bauzasso, that would be great if I could async the review :)15:13
Nikolay_Stpafuent, bauzas I can help you with review15:13
bauzasflag it as WIP for convenience15:13
bauzasNikolay_St: your help is welcome15:13
pafuentNikolay_St: That would be great15:13
bauzashence the patch15:13
bauzasso anyone can give his views15:13
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pafuentOk, regarding pending reviews15:14
pafuentT15:14
pafuentSorry15:14
pafuentI have some patches that needs review15:15
bauzasyey ?15:15
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Nikolay_Stpafuent: I see them, but was busy. I'll be back to them asap15:15
pafuentNikolay_St: Thanks15:16
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pafuentSome of that patches are related to agenda items so, if you are OK we can move to the next topic15:17
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Nikolay_St+15:17
pafuent#topic Tempest running on gate jobs status15:17
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bauzasok15:18
pafuentI think that we really need this in place before we start renaming things on the code15:18
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pafuentFor that reason, I fixed the tests here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98225/15:18
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pafuentWhen that patch is merged, I'll enable Tempest in our gate job15:19
bauzaspafuent: cool15:19
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bauzaspafuent: so I assume this is a top prio patch ?15:20
bauzasto review ?15:20
Nikolay_Stpafuent: how can we prove that it really works?15:20
pafuentbauzas: Yes15:20
pafuentcmart Wrote a RST that explains how to run the test in Tempest15:20
bauzasNikolay_St: you can run Tempest on your devstack15:20
bauzasNikolay_St: that's really simple15:20
pafuenthttps://github.com/stackforge/blazar/blob/master/contrib/tempest/README.rst15:21
bauzasNikolay_St: like running a tox test with testr15:21
cmartNikolay_St:: probably by following the RST and then running tempest on your dev environment15:21
bauzasNikolay_St: actually testr is used by Tempest15:21
cmartbauzas: exactly15:21
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Nikolay_Stoh15:21
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bauzasNikolay_St: so the idea is to land the patch on your local Tempest env15:22
Nikolay_Stsorry, miss this point.15:22
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Nikolay_Stbauzas: yeap, I get it now15:22
bauzasNikolay_St: just make sure you enabled Tempest as a devstack service15:22
pafuentbauzas: Yes, that is the idea15:22
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pafuentBTW, the patch only update some things that changed in Tempest since cmart wrote the tests15:23
bauzaspafuent: ok, good to know15:23
cmartpafuent: yes. Before end lease events were not there at the time I wrote those tests.15:23
pafuentcmart: Yep15:24
bauzaspafuent: I'm just wondering if that patch should not be in the tempest repo directly15:24
cmartpafuent: could you please put the review link so I can take a look?15:24
bauzasin contib/ of course15:24
cmartbauzas: it should be there. pafuent?15:24
pafuenthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/98225/15:24
pafuentcmart: bauzas: Sorry, I miss the point15:25
cmartpafuent: thanks..15:25
bauzasI can see the patch in our repo15:25
cmartpafuent: what bauzas is saying that the code is inside the contrib folder15:25
cmart*should be inside15:25
pafuentcmart: Ahh. OK15:26
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bauzasyey15:26
pafuentYes the code is in our contrib15:26
bauzasno let me explain15:27
bauzasdirectly in the tempest repo under contrib/15:27
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pafuentbauzas: I can't find that directory in Tempest repo15:28
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bauzaspafuent: ah ok, my bad then15:29
bauzasanyway15:29
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cmartbauzas: Since Blazar is in incubation, we should code our stuff separately. When Blazar "graduates" and moves to core, then the contrib/tempest folder of our code shoould be adapted to what  tempest has.15:30
cmartat least, it's what I was being told back then :)15:30
bauzascmart: Blazar is *not* in incubation15:30
bauzas:)15:30
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bauzascmart: Blazar asked for but we will have to propose again :)15:30
bauzasanyway15:30
bauzasmaybe we can move on ?15:31
pafuentOK. Regarding the next topic (Climate -> Blazar renaming status), I think we already covered that so we can skip to the next one.15:31
cmartbauzas: sorry! Let's move on then:)15:31
pafuent#topic Keystoneclient bug (a new one)15:31
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pafuenthttps://review.openstack.org/9756515:31
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pafuenthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/blazar/+bug/132606615:31
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1326066 in blazar "Keystone client fails to authorize during trust creation" [Critical,In progress]15:32
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bauzasok, as per the tests, it fixes the problem15:32
bauzasI'll +2 it15:32
pafuentOK15:33
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pafuentNikolay_St: Could you review the bug too?15:33
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Nikolay_Stpafuent: done.15:34
pafuentNikolay_St: Thanks15:34
pafuent#topic Blueprints status15:34
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pafuentI think there are some BP that are finished15:34
bauzaslet's discuss with DinaBelova about that topic next week15:35
bauzasand see if we can consider a new release15:35
pafuentOK.15:35
bauzasI would wait for Tempest tests and use of trusts in PR to be landed15:35
bauzasIMHO15:35
bauzasideally, client for V2 should be there15:36
bauzasbecause if not, V2 has non-sense15:36
pafuentThat is true15:36
pafuentRegarding the trust in PR, I need some core love there15:36
bauzasthe good thing is that all the patches are there15:36
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Nikolay_Stbauzas: +115:37
bauzasyey, we're missing time :(15:37
pafuentI know15:37
Nikolay_Stbauzas: I'll try to do as much review as I can on weekend. it may solve some problems, I guess15:37
bauzasNikolay_St: nah, no need to urge15:38
bauzasNikolay_St: we're not following Openstack milestones15:38
bauzas(yet)15:38
pafuentI like the (yet)15:38
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pafuentNikolay_St: Please, rest during the weekend15:38
pafuentNikolay_St: :)15:39
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Nikolay_Stbauzas: it's more promise for myself - I know that I'll have time on weekend, and not sure I have it during next week :D15:39
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bauzas:)15:39
pafuentRegarding the V2 on the client, I'll start working on the api version discovery15:39
bauzaspafuent: cool great news15:40
pafuenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/blazar/+spec/api-version-discovery15:40
bauzasawesome15:40
pafuentI wrote some examples of other OS projects15:40
bauzascool15:40
pafuentSo the idea is to look how the do this magic and choose one15:40
* bauzas thinking he has another thing to review... :)15:40
pafuenthahaha15:41
bauzasok, that' really cool15:41
bauzasok can we go to opens ?15:41
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bauzas(I have very limited time left :)15:41
pafuentFor me, it's OK15:41
Nikolay_St+15:41
pafuent#topic Open discussion15:42
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cmartI think that we should start thinking on how to atract more devs to the project15:42
Nikolay_StI have thing to discuss in this topic15:42
pafuentcmart: +115:42
cmart"atract" not in a sexy-way. I mean.. you kno..15:42
cmart*know.15:42
pafuent:)15:42
bauzascmart: there is no magic over there :)15:43
Nikolay_Stcmart: just let use violence :D15:43
mspreitzI am not well prepared but would be willing to talk about how my simultaneous scheduling stuff could use Blazar15:43
cmartNikolay_St: LOL15:43
bauzasmspreitz: that's something we should discuss on a mailing thread15:43
mspreitzOK15:43
bauzasmspreitz: that's something manageable15:43
bauzasmspreitz: I was at the design session, I have some ideas for you15:44
mspreitzGreat.  I'll start a thread.15:44
bauzasmspreitz: cool15:44
Nikolay_StI would like to ask question about neutron object reservation.15:44
bauzasmspreitz: the ideal is to put use cases15:44
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bauzasmspreitz: and see what are the missing bits15:44
mspreitzyes, good approach15:45
bauzasfolks I got to go in 2 mins15:45
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Nikolay_Stwe have a little conversation with pafuent this week, but haven't any success.15:45
bauzasyes ?15:45
mspreitzBTW, where would I find a description of the new Blazar API?15:45
bauzasNikolay_St: I'm not that used to Neutron code15:45
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bauzasmspreitz: grab the code and issue a tox -edocs15:45
Nikolay_Stbauzas: can't parse this :(15:45
mspreitzthanks15:45
bauzasmspreitz: we have to put the docs in readthedocs but we had a naming problem, hence the renaming15:46
bauzasmspreitz: and API doc is not very suitable for wikis15:46
mspreitzgot it15:46
bauzasNikolay_St: I mean, I don't exactly know how is Neutron made15:47
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mspreitzfrom three quarks?15:47
bauzasNikolay_St: first of all what do we want to reserve ?15:47
bauzasmspreitz: good catch ;à15:47
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bauzasNikolay_St: do we want to reserve ports or routers ?15:47
Nikolay_Stbauzas: close to dev-list neutron-guys have some thoughts about fixed-ip reservations.15:47
bauzascool15:48
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pafuentFloating IP could be interesting too15:48
bauzasI have to go folks, I'm really sorry15:48
Nikolay_Stbauzas: and it is the good point for us to be involved15:48
Nikolay_Stso15:48
pafuentbauzas: NP15:48
Nikolay_Stpafuent: should we continue discussion or it be better to start dev-list thread about it?15:49
pafuentNikolay_St: The thread will be better. Maybe we can catch the attention of dina and swann15:49
Nikolay_Stpafuent: yeah15:49
cmart+1 to dev-list. bauzas already know about this and it could be great to have more Neutron feedback15:50
Nikolay_Stpafuent: my message was a little bit longer :D15:50
cmartpafuent: +115:50
pafuentNikolay_St: Sorry I didn't get the last sentence15:50
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Nikolay_Stso, I haven't any topics to discuss15:50
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pafuentMe neither15:51
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pafuentcmart?15:51
cmartI'll think about violence15:51
pafuenthahaha15:51
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cmarttowards Blazar "greatness"15:51
cmart:D15:51
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cmartany help (and fists) will be appreciated15:52
Nikolay_Stpafuent: I have something like "Maybe we can catch the attention of dina and swann" but it was hard to type :D15:52
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Nikolay_Stcmart: violence is beautiful :D you can use at most developers ;)15:52
cmartNikolay_St: take your time :)15:52
pafuentLOL15:53
Nikolay_Stso, I think we can end the meeting15:53
pafuentYes15:53
pafuentBye15:53
Nikolay_Stbye15:53
* cmart says "chao"15:53
pafuent#endmeeting15:53
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