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| radek | Hi Everyone, there should be a NFV subgroup meeting here by now | 12:11 |
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| radek | or this is wrong channel? | 12:12 |
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| vkmc | radek, in #openstack-meeting-alt | 12:16 |
| vkmc | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings#NFV_Team_Meeting | 12:16 |
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| radek | thanks! | 12:19 |
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| sgordon | anyone drifting in for the NFV subteam meeting it has been moved to #openstack-meeting-alt | 13:58 |
| sgordon | apologies for any inconvenience | 13:59 |
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| bauzas | sgordon: thanks | 13:59 |
| cgoncalves | sgordon: thanks | 13:59 |
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| cloudon | thanks | 13:59 |
| sgordon | ilyashakhat, NFV sub team meeting has moved to #openstack-meeting-alt | 13:59 |
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| sgordon | <sgordon> anyone drifting in for the NFV subteam meeting it has been moved to #openstack-meeting-alt | 14:01 |
| ijw | nngh | 14:01 |
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| sgordon | adrian-hoban, edube ^^ | 14:03 |
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| cdub | heh, doh...what sgordon said ;) | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 4 15:02:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: howdy | 15:02 |
| BobBall | hi | 15:02 |
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| * johnthetubaguy general wave hello | 15:02 | |
| * BobBall general wave back | 15:03 | |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic CI | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 15:03 | |
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| johnthetubaguy | so… hows things in CI land? | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | Check out http://www.rcbops.com/gerrit/reports/nova-cireport.html | 15:03 |
| BobBall | ... or rather, don't | 15:03 |
| BobBall | since that page claims it has been updated recently but actually hasn't | 15:03 |
| BobBall | it's still using weeks-old data | 15:03 |
| BobBall | which has been frustrating to see the CI status :) | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | did you ping mr still? | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I did indeed. But i'm guessing he's got bigger things going on. | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | http://f0ab4dc4366795c303a0-8fd069087bab3f263c7f9ddd524fce42.r22.cf1.rackcdn.com/ci_status/current_queue.txt is healthy now though - wasn't this morning | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | mikal: probably need to take a look at the ci report, were we moving that to infra? | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know he is not up, but a present for when he gets back to his keyboard | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK thats good | 15:05 |
| BobBall | we need to move up urgently to upstream nodepool as there are fixes in there that we don't have that contributed to a major stall | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | so did you get moved to the stackforge repo now? | 15:05 |
| BobBall | yup | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cools | 15:05 |
| BobBall | Even check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/96734/ | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats left on the TODO list? | 15:05 |
| BobBall | which shows the XS ci testing against stackforge | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | what TODO list? | 15:05 |
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| BobBall | oh yeah | 15:06 |
| BobBall | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/XenServer/XenServer_CI/AdminTips#TODO_list | 15:06 |
| BobBall | I've not even been looking at that | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, thats fine | 15:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I was meaning the one in your head really | 15:06 |
| BobBall | First one is done, second one I've proven that 'all' tests pass (or will pass with a cirros fix we alread know we need) | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | whats that cirros fix? need a newer version? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | Third one see https://review.openstack.org/97787, https://review.openstack.org/97798 and https://review.openstack.org/97026 | 15:07 |
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| BobBall | tempest needs 0.3.2 3-part but we don't download it for the 3rd party CI | 15:08 |
| BobBall | only the Citrix internal CI | 15:08 |
| BobBall | needs a small devstack change I guess - but I just need to co-ordinate things so I can test it since cross-repo dependencies don't exist | 15:08 |
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| BobBall | Realistically we're not going to move to Zuul, probably ever, until we officially move to -infra (if we can) | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: sure, I am thinking of getting turbo hipster guys to run us | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats the move to zuul really | 15:09 |
| BobBall | well we need much more stuff upstream first | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed | 15:09 |
| BobBall | That's the start of https://review.openstack.org/97787, https://review.openstack.org/97798 and https://review.openstack.org/97026 | 15:09 |
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| BobBall | How's your duplicated environment coming? | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | its not really, nodepool wouldn't work, and now I have got distracted with Juno-1 stuff mostly | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | hopefully I can get back to that soon though | 15:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | most bits seem to come up nicely, I got jobs pulled form gerrit, etc | 15:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so it shouldn't be too far away | 15:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info CI has a blip due to environment issues, but its looking more normal now | 15:12 |
| BobBall | OK | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | do you have an ETA for the cirros thing? | 15:12 |
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| BobBall | Enabling all tests isn't high on my list ATM... but hopefully in the next couple of weeks | 15:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, I should help with that once I get my environment up and running | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its like the top of my list, after that enviroment | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I should be able to test that out inside my environment, in theory | 15:13 |
| BobBall | great | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so run it for a few days, and compare pass rates, or some such | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | BTW - pip install -U git+https://github.com/citrix-openstack/install-nodepool.git does install fabric... weird. | 15:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I blew away the virtual env, and went again, and all ways good | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | no idea what happened there | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more on CI? | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:15 |
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| BobBall | hmmm | 15:16 |
| BobBall | probably | 15:16 |
| BobBall | but my head is full | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… had a nice chat with the XenAPI architects at the Xen hackathon | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, if something comes to mind, do shout up | 15:16 |
| BobBall | great | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | we spoke about import and export of VHDs integrating that with XenAPI, including differential snapshots | 15:16 |
| BobBall | anything interesting to share? | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | discussed some ways to let us plugin swift into that picture | 15:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | and davescott said he would go away and have a think about things | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | looks like most of the tools are in place, just need the correct plugin mechanism | 15:17 |
| BobBall | That's the usual way to get things working quickly | 15:17 |
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| BobBall | ok good | 15:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sounding quite close anyways | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | spoke about live-migrate hooks, which you may have added already | 15:18 |
| BobBall | well sort of | 15:19 |
| BobBall | I've added a hook for resume | 15:19 |
| BobBall | that's in trunk now | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | considered having live-migrate with pause | 15:19 |
| BobBall | and I think in 6.5 too | 15:19 |
| BobBall | vm resume was the place where a hook was missing | 15:19 |
| BobBall | and you can use that for live migrate | 15:20 |
| BobBall | rather than having a custom live migrate hook | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | and slightly more interestingly, storage live-migrate of shutdown VMs | 15:20 |
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| BobBall | storage live migration of shutdown VMs is an interesting concept... | 15:20 |
| BobBall | perhaps just storage migration with less of the live ;) | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, I want to move the VM record | 15:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | and not have to put it into the paused state first, as I might not have enough RAM any more | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, cold-migration really | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | you can start it, trigger live-migrate, then stop the VM, but thats not really the best approach, given the RAM issue | 15:22 |
| BobBall | indeed | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | but hopeful to see that migrate code get used much less, that scp(s) the disks between hypervisors | 15:23 |
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| BobBall | death to SCP. | 15:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | quite | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so… maybe we are done now? | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | I should mention bug day I supose | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | fix more bugs, yey | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | any more? | 15:24 |
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| BobBall | no don't think so | 15:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks BobBall talk to you soon | 15:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 4 15:25:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-04-15.02.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-04-15.02.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2014/xenapi.2014-06-04-15.02.log.html | 15:25 |
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| navneet | hi evrbdy | 15:57 |
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| kmartin | hello | 15:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 15:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | what's agenda for today? | 15:58 |
| kmartin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings | 15:58 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | tahnks | 15:59 |
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| navneet | where is jgriffith today? | 16:00 |
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| navneet | shld we start? who is the host? | 16:01 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | For https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vol-backup-service-per-backend - is this trying to separate data plane for back from control plan (management of backup) | 16:02 |
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| kmartin | thingee or jgriffith around? | 16:02 |
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| navneet | Arkady_Kanevsky: its re organizing the control plane | 16:03 |
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| navneet | nothing related to data plane | 16:03 |
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| navneet | is this d rt time to start? | 16:04 |
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| bruff | I think so | 16:04 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | I read blueprint but still confused on what is proposed. | 16:04 |
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| navneet | ok we can start ...anybdy frm cinder core in/ | 16:04 |
| navneet | ? | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | navneet: I am here but also handling a hot problem. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | :-( A bit distracted. | 16:05 |
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| navneet | jungleboyj: oh...can we start | 16:05 |
| kmartin | jungleboyj: can you request a startmeeting? | 16:05 |
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| navneet | jungleboyj: u can pop in ur comments in the tim eu get | 16:06 |
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| navneet | ok m strting with the topic backup service | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: You here? | 16:06 |
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| navneet | Here is the blueprint for backup service modification https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vol-backup-service-per-backend | 16:07 |
| navneet | does nybdy has ny concerns with it | 16:07 |
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| navneet | ? | 16:07 |
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| winston-d | jgriffith: ping | 16:07 |
| navneet | dis targets to create 1 back up service per vol backend | 16:08 |
| winston-d | navneet: did you put together a spec into gerrid? | 16:08 |
| navneet | winston-d: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97663/1 | 16:08 |
| kmartin | navneet: do you have a cinder-spec for this feature or just the launchpad bp? | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | navneet: I had one question on your spec | 16:08 |
| navneet | sure | 16:08 |
| kmartin | nevemind | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | navneet: does this require any change to the backup service itself? | 16:09 |
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| navneet | xyang1: it would not... | 16:09 |
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| navneet | dis will spawn separate services for each backend | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | Sorry, didn't see the time | 16:09 |
| navneet | which is not the cse rt now | 16:09 |
| xyang1 | naveet: ok, so all changes happen at manager level? | 16:09 |
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| kmartin | DuncanT: can you start the meeting so this gets recorded? | 16:10 |
| navneet | xyang1: to create new services u also need to change the backup/bin | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | #startmeeting cinder | 16:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 4 16:10:27 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DuncanT. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:10 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | # topuc Volume backup | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | #topic Volume backup | 16:10 |
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| navneet | ok starting again | 16:10 |
| navneet | here is the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97663/1 | 16:10 |
| navneet | n the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/vol-backup-service-per-backend | 16:11 |
| navneet | DuncanT: u hv ny concerns | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Yes | 16:11 |
| navneet | or questions | 16:11 |
| navneet | ok | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | The original aim of volume-backup as a separate service is that it can be scaled indpendantly of the volume service | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | (among aims) | 16:12 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: theoritically yes | 16:12 |
| navneet | but actually no | 16:12 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: u still have vol manager for each backend | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | There are bugs that stop this happening, but I'd rather fix those than increase the coupling | 16:12 |
| navneet | DuncanT: dis aims at decoupling | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT | You have a volume-manager per backend, but you don't need a backup service per volume service | 16:13 |
| navneet | DuncanT: which bugs ? theylisted somewhr | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | navneet: I've not looked at the issues recently | 16:13 |
| navneet | DuncanT: dats th fault in design | 16:13 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: dis is handling msg routing in mgr | 16:13 |
| winston-d | navneet: why do you need a backup service per vol service? | 16:14 |
| navneet | winston-d: to route the requests properly | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: if the backup service is fixed so it always does a proper remote attach to the volume it is backing up, then it doesn't matter what the backend is | 16:14 |
| navneet | manager is not the place to do it | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: Then all the routing can be removed and we can just let the scheduler pick the least busy backup manager | 16:15 |
| navneet | DuncanT: mgr is routing the requests to backends internally | 16:15 |
| winston-d | navneet: can you elabrate? | 16:15 |
| navneet | DuncanT: I dn thnk thr is any scheduler for back up | 16:15 |
| navneet | and is not even needed | 16:15 |
| navneet | sure | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | navneet: There was, it got removed because remote attach didn't work for iscsi based drivers at the time | 16:16 |
| navneet | DuncanT: its not needed now as well | 16:16 |
| navneet | m not proposing to bring in the sch | 16:16 |
| winston-d | navneet: who gets to decide where to backup a volume then? | 16:16 |
| navneet | m just telling that the msg handling is better off in a service | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: Scheduling is nice to have... some backends at way more efficient if the backup manager is co-located with the volume manager, and otherwise you want to pick a free backup service for new requests where possible | 16:17 |
| navneet | winston-d: its the service | 16:17 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: its nice to have but m not aiming in this change | 16:17 |
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| navneet | and with this change it will enable sch later | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | navneet: It is far from clear what you /are/ proposing in this change | 16:18 |
| navneet | if somebody wants it | 16:18 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | What is API looks like? DOe sit allows user to choose where to back and to which back end to restore? | 16:18 |
| navneet | DuncanT: u understand hw d request flows? | 16:18 |
| navneet | using a msg server | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | navneet: In general, yes | 16:19 |
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| zhithuang | i thought you were proposed to add a scheduler | 16:19 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: ok so dis ll enable rquest routing at service level | 16:19 |
| navneet | than the manager level whch is d case now | 16:19 |
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| navneet | and we do routing everywhr at service level which has a defined host | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | So the first routing is currently done by the API | 16:19 |
| navneet | DuncanT: yes | 16:20 |
| navneet | DuncanT: it selects a topic and a host | 16:20 |
| navneet | DuncanT: and then goes to msg server | 16:20 |
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| navneet | service pick it from thr | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | The topic and host it selects is already wrong | 16:20 |
| navneet | DuncaT: host is a common host rt now | 16:20 |
| navneet | which needs to be per backend | 16:21 |
| navneet | *DuncanT | 16:21 |
| navneet | DuncanT: u mean u r loking into correcting host? | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | Common between the volume-manager and the backup-manager, yes. That restriction needs removing | 16:21 |
| navneet | DuncanT: dats wat m planning | 16:21 |
| navneet | DuncanT: dis ll clean it up | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Then your spec does a terrible job of explaining it ;-) | 16:22 |
| winston-d_ | DuncanT: agree | 16:22 |
| navneet | DuncanT: sorry if it does not :( | 16:22 |
| navneet | DuncanT: I can modify if u suggest | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | It sounds like you want to change the backup-manager code - the breakage happens before the message ahs even left the API node | 16:22 |
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| navneet | DucanT: the api ll now pick up the rt host for vol | 16:23 |
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| navneet | and not the common host | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | What is the 'right' host though? | 16:23 |
| winston-d_ | what is a common host? | 16:23 |
| navneet | DuncanT: n a service for that host ll address it | 16:23 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: for multibackend it ll be host@backend | 16:23 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: currently its just host | 16:24 |
| navneet | with topic volume-backup | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | No, that means you now need a cinder-backup service for every backend, which is *exactly* what I *don't* want | 16:24 |
| navneet | DuncanT: y u dn want | 16:24 |
| navneet | ? | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | I want to be able to have one cinder-backup service serving N backends, which might be running on a toally different host to the cinder-volume service | 16:25 |
| navneet | DuncanT: dat can be achieved with changes as well | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Not the changes you are proposing | 16:25 |
| winston-d_ | time check, 34 mins left | 16:26 |
| navneet | DuncanT: we read the cinder.conf to have vol managers for each backend | 16:26 |
| navneet | n we wud do same for service as well | 16:26 |
| navneet | if it works wid current desing | 16:26 |
| navneet | it ll work with canges as well | 16:26 |
| navneet | *changes | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | navneet: I want to completely and utterly decouple any relationship between volume-managers and backup service | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | No relationship what so ever | 16:27 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: dats seems to be new feature | 16:27 |
| navneet | DuncanT: u dn have it rt now | 16:27 |
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| navneet | DuncanT unknowingly u tie it up in manager | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | navneet: It was an original feature that got removed because iscsi remote attach didn't work | 16:27 |
| hemna | navneet, any chance you can use complete words ? | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | hemna++ | 16:27 |
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| navneet | hemna: sure :) | 16:28 |
| winston-d_ | hemna: +++ | 16:28 |
| hemna | great thanks | 16:28 |
| winston-d_ | my eyes are bleeding. thx | 16:28 |
| navneet | DuncanT: can u plz explain me the problem ffline | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | navneet: What I don't understand is why you want to have *more* cinder-backup services running | 16:28 |
| hemna | *sigh* | 16:28 |
| winston-d_ | hemna: :) | 16:29 |
| navneet | DuncanT: its not the right way to handle messages | 16:29 |
| navneet | hemna: now works | 16:29 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: and its very difficult to extend bacup manager with current design | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | navneet: What isn't? I don't *care* about messages, I care where things have to be run, and how many need to be run | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Extend it how? | 16:29 |
| navneet | DuncanT: for any new feature which involves back feature support will need changes in manager | 16:30 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: Why? | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | navneet: I'm writing a feature today, and it is no problem at all. Can you give a specific example? | 16:31 |
| navneet | DuncanT: because you handle request to a particular backend in manager | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | navneet: That is by design | 16:31 |
| navneet | DuncanT: like in the pools stuff | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Why is that bad? | 16:31 |
| hemna | this seems to be ratholing | 16:31 |
| navneet | DuncanT: wat m telling is that its not the right place | 16:32 |
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| winston-d_ | 28 mins left, maybe we should move on to next topic | 16:32 |
| navneet | DuncanT: and services are there for that same exact reason | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | e.g. ceph can't easily attach a volume as a block device, so it handles the I/O itself | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | navneet: I don't want any backup stuff happening in the volume-manager, ever | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | navneet: That is too much coupling | 16:32 |
| navneet | DuncanT: I will upload a WIP | 16:32 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:32 |
| winston-d_ | we have 3 more topic | 16:32 |
| navneet | can u guys comment on that | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: Ok, a WIP might help make things clearer | 16:33 |
| navneet | DuncanT: sure | 16:33 |
| navneet | thx | 16:33 |
| winston-d_ | navneet: +1 for wip | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT | Ok, next topic? | 16:33 |
| navneet | winston-d_:thx | 16:33 |
| navneet | next topic | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | #topic Dynamic multipool | 16:33 |
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| navneet | Did any of you got a chance to look into it | 16:34 |
| navneet | the WIP? | 16:34 |
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| navneet | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85760/ | 16:34 |
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| hemna | not I. I fundamentally disagree with the approach. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | I had a quick look, and my worry that the driver instance is no longer a singleton stands | 16:34 |
| winston-d | navneet: did you put together a spec into gerrid? | 16:34 |
| navneet | winston-d: for multipools no | 16:35 |
| navneet | winston-d: thr is a blueprint howwevr | 16:35 |
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| navneet | DncanT: the driver instances u worry about? | 16:35 |
| navneet | DuncanT: | 16:35 |
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| kmartin | navneet: you should have a matching cinder-spec for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/multiple-service-pools | 16:35 |
| navneet | DuncanT: ok let me put this way | 16:36 |
| hemna | I still think we need to do the more simple approach using volume types. | 16:36 |
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| navneet | hemna: I was curious if you hae this documented anywhere | 16:36 |
| navneet | I can have a look | 16:36 |
| hemna | there is no reason to be dynamically creating driver instances simply because a backend has a pool or pools. | 16:36 |
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| navneet | hemna: I want to do a comparative study | 16:36 |
| hemna | navneet, there really isn't anything to document. It's volume types. | 16:37 |
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| navneet | hemna: I think you are not understanding the real problem | 16:37 |
| winston-d | just so you know, i'm working on a scheduler based change to address multi-pool needs | 16:37 |
| hemna | put your pool in a volume type. report stats for the pools in get_volume_stats() and make the scheduler aware. | 16:37 |
| hemna | done | 16:37 |
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| winston-d | POC patchs is 50% ready | 16:37 |
| navneet | hemna: there are backends like ours where you have multiple flexvols | 16:37 |
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| hemna | winston-d, +1 | 16:37 |
| kmartin | navneet: a number of driver today can change the storage pool with volume types today | 16:37 |
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| navneet | hemna: and each have a differen capability and capacity | 16:38 |
| hemna | navneet, same with ours | 16:38 |
| hemna | we use volume types. | 16:38 |
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| navneet | hemna: if it does not find a pariculr flexvol then it ll fials at cinder-vol | 16:38 |
| navneet | rt now | 16:38 |
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| navneet | hemna: I saw the 3par thing | 16:38 |
| navneet | hemna: u also have qualified specs | 16:39 |
| hemna | each our our pools has different capabilities and sizes. We put the pool name/id in the volume type, and we enter a default pool to use if no volume type specified. it just works. | 16:39 |
| navneet | hemna: which does not evaluate at the scheduler | 16:39 |
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| hemna | correct, that's why we need to make the scheduler aware of pools via get_volume_stats() | 16:39 |
| navneet | hemna: putting pool name is the type is actually hiding the problem than solvng it | 16:39 |
| kmartin | update the get_volume_stats to include capabilities for each volume type | 16:39 |
| hemna | if we do that, then everything just works. | 16:39 |
| hemna | on the contrary | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | I'm interested in seeing winston-d's PoC since I'm pretty sure he is planning on doing it exactly as I would | 16:40 |
| hemna | putting the pool in the volume type makes the admin directly aware | 16:40 |
| navneet | DuncanT: I will be interested too | 16:40 |
| hemna | dynamically creating drivers per pool, is exactly as you described, hiding the problem. | 16:40 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: if u r coming with ny new approach? | 16:40 |
| winston-d | I'll put it up tomorrow | 16:40 |
| navneet | heman: not thats not | 16:40 |
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| navneet | hemna: it does not mandate admin to create vol type for each pool | 16:41 |
| hemna | ok, agree to disagree. | 16:41 |
| kmartin | winston-d: I'm interesting in see as well, did you have a cinder-spec for it yet? | 16:41 |
| navneet | hemna: your vol type will go on increasing if you have pool name in volume specs | 16:41 |
| xyang1_ | winston-d: what is your proposal about? | 16:41 |
| kmartin | winston-d: code is fine as well? :) for a POC | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | Putting the pool name in the type is an unnecessary limitation IMO, makign the scheduler aware of pools and just adding @pool to the end of the create host and making drivers understand that (or adding a pool param to the driver create and letting the manager unwrap it, if that seems cleaner) should work | 16:42 |
| hemna | what does vol type increasing ? that doesn't make sense. | 16:42 |
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| navneet | hemna: u need to put pool nam ein the extra spec rt? | 16:42 |
| winston-d_ | kmartin: not really, but i might get the code up into gerrit first. ;) but sure I will submit a spec as well | 16:42 |
| * jungleboyj has to drop. Will bring my topic up in openstack-cinder or next week unless you guys want to discuss and I will catch up from the meeting notes. | 16:42 | |
| kmartin | winston-d: perfect, thanks | 16:42 |
| navneet | hemna: for each pool u need to do the same | 16:42 |
| hemna | navneet, I can't make sense of what you are writing, as you aren't using words. | 16:42 |
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| navneet | heman: vol type ties specs with key value pai | 16:43 |
| navneet | pair | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Sorry, sisn't see your note about time on the agenda | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | *didn't | 16:43 |
| navneet | hemna: pool name should be in the spec | 16:43 |
| navneet | hemna: and so each pool will have a new volume type | 16:44 |
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| navneet | hemna: as per the approach u mentioned | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | navneet: That certainly isn't true of the scheduler appoach | 16:44 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: scheduler lessens the work for admin | 16:44 |
| hemna | yah, I don't see a problem with that actually. The admin knows about the pools on the backend. If they want them available or not available to use, it should be up to the admin to decide. | 16:45 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: and its dynamic which does not require any changes to driver for having new pools | 16:45 |
| navneet | hemna: I feel thats too much work for the admin | 16:45 |
| winston-d_ | when scheduler is made to be pool-aware, it treats every pool like a standalone backend, the only difference is pool itself doesn't really have to be in a cinder-volume service | 16:45 |
| navneet | and they ll hate pools if new vol type needs to be created | 16:45 |
| hemna | winston-d, +1 | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | winston-d++ | 16:46 |
| navneet | winston-d_: I see ur point | 16:46 |
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| navneet | but do you how many changes it requirs? | 16:46 |
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| hemna | there is no reason to create a new manager/driver instance just to support another pool on the same backend. | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | navneet: the changes don't look that huge to me, though I might be missing some | 16:47 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: is thr a WIP for winstons changes? | 16:47 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | what is the mechanism for scehduler to know that multiple pools have "the same charateristics" to choose which pool to create volumes on? | 16:47 |
| hemna | I think winston-d's approach is far better, as long as the admin still has a way of either creating a whitelist and/or a blacklist of which pools to use. | 16:47 |
| navneet | winston-d_: do you have a spec for it? | 16:47 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: It does require a driver interface change so it has some way of telling the driver which pool to pick on create, but that seems a better hit than changing the driver singleton, which affects every driver more fundamentally | 16:48 |
| hemna | It's bad to force the use of all available pools on the array, as the array may be shared by non OpenStack stuff. | 16:48 |
| winston-d_ | navneet: i don't have a spec yet, but my code is almost ready for review | 16:48 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: singleton drivers will be in separate threads | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | hemna: The driver get_stats decides what pools to expose... | 16:48 |
| navneet | DuncanT: no security issue | 16:48 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: Threads don't help much... not security, races | 16:49 |
| hemna | DuncanT, we should have some standard mechanism for informing the driver which pools to whitelist/blacklist though, so it's consistent for all drivers. | 16:49 |
| navneet | DuncanT: I dont see that happening | 16:49 |
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| navneet | we have green threads in place | 16:49 |
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| DuncanT | navneet: I do. Two creates can now be started concurrently, inside the same process. That could not happen before | 16:49 |
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| navneet | DuncanT: true | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | navneet: That is a *big* change | 16:50 |
| navneet | DuncanT: but only one ll run | 16:50 |
| navneet | DUncanT: dats the beauty | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | Why will only one run? | 16:50 |
| winston-d_ | 10 mins left. We have 3rd party CI in the queue | 16:50 |
| navneet | DuncanT: becoz we have green threads | 16:50 |
| navneet | DuncanT: within same process | 16:50 |
| hemna | and for N pools, you'll have N drivers, which creates M connections to the backend. This seems like an explosion of resource usage to me as well. | 16:50 |
| ameade | yeah lets progress on the agenda | 16:51 |
| navneet | DuncanT, winston-d_: r u guys working on alternative approaches? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | navneet: You've still got problems if you e.g. cache backend info in your driver | 16:51 |
| winston-d_ | navneet: yes, i am. | 16:51 |
| hemna | and with everyone using locks in their driver APIs, you don't really get any benefit of concurrency with the N drivers. It's just a hack. | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | navneet: winston-d ahs said repeatedly he has something nearly finished | 16:51 |
| navneet | winston-d_: is thr a WIP out thr? ll like to coordinate | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | navneet: WIP soon from winston | 16:52 |
| winston-d_ | navneet: i didn't put it up yet, will do tomorrow | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | #action winston-d to publish scheduler based WIP | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | Right, last topic, 3rd party CI | 16:52 |
| navneet | DuncanT: sure ll like to see that | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | #topic 3rd party CI | 16:52 |
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| navneet | winston-d_: thx | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | Has anybody looked at asselin's brnach? Or got any other comments? | 16:53 |
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| xyang1_ | hemna: are your Jenkins slaves all running on VMs? | 16:54 |
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| bruff | Can I get a URL for the brnach? | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | https://github.com/rasselin/os-ext-testing/tree/nodepool | 16:54 |
| hemna | xyang1_, we are working on getting nodepool support in with jaypipes code | 16:54 |
| hemna | we haven't tested FC PCI passthrough yet either. | 16:55 |
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| akerr | hemna: and this branch that was linked is that WIP? | 16:55 |
| hemna | akerr, yah | 16:55 |
| akerr | is it usable? | 16:55 |
| hemna | I think it's close | 16:56 |
| hemna | might be worth trying | 16:56 |
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| xyang1_ | hemna: do you have service account all setup? Can tests be triggered manually without that? | 16:57 |
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| hemna | xyang1_, we are just triggering manually for now | 16:57 |
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| kmartin | akerr, asselin_ will be online in the cinder channel later and should be able to answer any question, he is just in another meeting currrently | 16:57 |
| hemna | until everything is dialed in, then we'll get the service account setup | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | tests can be manually triggered without a service account, or you can attach to the event stream with a personal account (just don't vote on a personal account) | 16:58 |
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| xyang1_ | hemna: Are the tests supposed to run only with drivers already merged? | 16:58 |
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| xyang1_ | hemna: I had that problem last time with cert test | 16:58 |
| akerr | kmartin: thanks, I have wall-to-wall meetings today, but I'll look for him later on | 16:58 |
| xyang1_ | hemna: it was designed to test merged code, and it erased my new driver changes when I start the test | 16:58 |
| hemna | xyang1_, ideally, they need to pull the patch that triggered the event. | 16:58 |
| xyang1_ | hemna: so I had to change the script to work around that | 16:59 |
| xyang1_ | hemna: we may have to do it for CI test, for new driver test | 16:59 |
| tjones | guys - you close to wrapping up? the next meeting starts in 1 minute | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | tjones: Ok, thanks | 16:59 |
| hemna | yah, it'll have to get the patchset that triggered the CI test, once it's integrated with the upstream | 16:59 |
| hemna | 30 seconds | 16:59 |
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| DuncanT | Right all, time to move things to the cinder channel..... | 17:00 |
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| DuncanT | #end meeting | 17:00 |
| tjones | DuncanT: thanks | 17:00 |
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| DuncanT | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 4 17:00:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-04-16.10.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-04-16.10.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2014/cinder.2014-06-04-16.10.log.html | 17:00 |
| tjones | #startmeeting vmwareapi | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 4 17:00:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: vmwareapi)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 17:00 |
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| tjones | hi folks - who is here today? | 17:01 |
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| browne | me | 17:01 |
| arnaud | hi | 17:01 |
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| vuil | hi | 17:01 |
| garyk | eitaj | 17:01 |
| mdbooth | hi | 17:01 |
| tjones | garyk: ? | 17:01 |
| garyk | eitah is hello is south african slang | 17:02 |
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| tjones | lol - cool | 17:02 |
| tjones | ok lets get started | 17:02 |
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| tjones | today is nova bug day - that means we should be trying to fix/review bugs today instead of feature work | 17:02 |
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| tjones | still i want to get a sense of where we are for features in the meeting today. I will be sending out an email on the ML showing our status with refactor specifically | 17:03 |
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| garyk | tjones: sounds good | 17:03 |
| tjones | so lets talk about approved BP 1st | 17:04 |
| tjones | #topic approved BP status | 17:04 |
| tjones | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware | 17:04 |
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| tjones | phase 1 of spawn refactor has a +2 from matt. | 17:04 |
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| tjones | so we are almost done with that | 17:04 |
| garyk | ahhh, is that why it is arining outside | 17:04 |
| garyk | raining | 17:04 |
| tjones | vui - want to talk about phase 2? (lol gary) | 17:04 |
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| garyk | my concerns with the refactoring are that backprting patches is really difficult | 17:05 |
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| vuil | the patches are just about done. | 17:05 |
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| vuil | I am in the rebase/reorg phase, to arrange them into self contained patches to post. | 17:06 |
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| vuil | hopefully by today if no complications comes up | 17:06 |
| mdbooth | garyk: Indeed. Incidentally, that's also a reason to try to break down patches into small chunks. | 17:06 |
| tjones | vuil: once done with that please send me an email and i'll use that as part of the message to the ML | 17:06 |
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| tjones | garyk: is there any possiblity of backporting the refactor? | 17:06 |
| vuil | will do. | 17:06 |
| garyk | mdbooth: i am not sure that small chunks will help when the whole code base is updated. | 17:07 |
| garyk | tjones: i am not sure about that. it may be a idea well worth exploring | 17:07 |
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| garyk | tjones: maybe when we are done we can consider it and write a mail to the stable team if relevant | 17:07 |
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| mdbooth | garyk: Well, the whole codebase needs to be updated :) Small chunks makes it easier to see what we did. | 17:08 |
| garyk | i think that we have hijacked the refactoring explanations by vui, sorry | 17:08 |
| tjones | lets take this to the open discussion part of the meeting | 17:08 |
| garyk | ok, thanks | 17:08 |
| tjones | vuil: anything else on phase 2? | 17:08 |
| vuil | not really, was thinking about the backports, but let's take that in the open disc. | 17:09 |
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| tjones | ok | 17:09 |
| tjones | how about oslo? blocked on phase 2 i suspect | 17:09 |
| vuil | yeah, once the spawn refactor work goes up, it will be easier to continue on the oslo bit. | 17:09 |
| * mdbooth almost has concrete plans for an updated api, btw | 17:09 | |
| tjones | mdbooth: lets take that in open discussion too :-D | 17:10 |
| vuil | mdbooth: share when do | 17:10 |
| tjones | last approved BP is hot plug - garyk? | 17:10 |
| garyk | tjones: it has been in review for months :) | 17:10 |
| garyk | i rebased and update the code after the summit... | 17:11 |
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| tjones | garyk: thought you said there was something to do last week?? if not we need to get on the reviews | 17:11 |
| tjones | #action for all to review https://review.openstack.org/59365 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/91005/ | 17:11 |
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| garyk | tjones: not that i am aware of. rado wanted me to consider an idea he had. i am thinking about that but i do not think it should block what is posted | 17:12 |
| tjones | please take a look at those reviews (tomorrow after bug day) | 17:12 |
| tjones | #topic BP in review | 17:12 |
| tjones | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z | 17:12 |
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| tjones | anyone here want to discuss a BP in this list? There are a number needing update, but not sure if those flks are attending | 17:13 |
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| garyk | tjones: i have posted the spec for the ephemeral disk support | 17:13 |
| garyk | will add the code tomorrow | 17:13 |
| tjones | garyk: great! thanks | 17:14 |
| tjones | ok assuming no other BP discsussion needed. | 17:15 |
| tjones | #topic bugs | 17:15 |
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| tjones | our 50 bugs http://tinyurl.com/p28mz43 | 17:15 |
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| tjones | of those the ones which are not assigned http://tinyurl.com/kkyw9c4 | 17:16 |
| tjones | 18 of them | 17:16 |
| tjones | this is the perfect day to work on this list | 17:16 |
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| tjones | anyone have a bug to discuss or should we go to open discussion since we have a lot to talk about? | 17:17 |
| tjones | going once..... | 17:17 |
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| tjones | #topic open discussion | 17:17 |
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| tjones | GO | 17:17 |
| mdbooth | iSCSI | 17:18 |
| tjones | i think we wanted to talk about backporting, api, and iSCSI | 17:18 |
| tjones | mdbooth: want to start? | 17:18 |
| garyk | tjones: when you send the mail to the list about the refactor can you please add in the bug lists | 17:18 |
| tjones | garyk: will do | 17:18 |
| garyk | tjones: thanks | 17:18 |
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| mdbooth | iSCSI problem is hard, because it seems to require cluster config | 17:18 |
| arnaud | mdbooth, I have posted a patch for the second issue (the first one being the auth that I think you are fixing) | 17:18 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: What's the second issue? | 17:19 |
| arnaud | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97612/ | 17:19 |
| mdbooth | arnaud: That's probably good, but unfortunately it doesn't solve the problem | 17:19 |
| arnaud | hmm | 17:19 |
| arnaud | that solves a part of the problem | 17:20 |
| arnaud | the fact that you have powered off hosts | 17:20 |
| arnaud | is not specific to ISCSI | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | iSCSI disks are rdm devices | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | rdm devices need to be present on all hosts | 17:20 |
| arnaud | yes | 17:20 |
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| arnaud | I agree with that | 17:20 |
| vuil | that is the 'third' problem I guess, that is hard | 17:20 |
| mdbooth | Right | 17:21 |
| arnaud | we have been looking at the vMotion problem | 17:21 |
| arnaud | 'third' problem | 17:21 |
| mdbooth | It's not just a vMotion problem | 17:21 |
| vuil | We tried to establish that DRS will not auto vmotion to a host that cannot see the device, which I believe to be the case | 17:21 |
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| mdbooth | If the vm is taken down, it might not be able to come up again if it can't get on the host with its rdm device | 17:22 |
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| arnaud | same for a new host | 17:22 |
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| mdbooth | yup | 17:22 |
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| mdbooth | Anyway, auth is easy to add | 17:22 |
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| mdbooth | But iSCSI is kinda broken until we come up with a solution to this | 17:23 |
| mdbooth | How much do we care? | 17:23 |
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| arnaud | we are looking at it so yes we care | 17:23 |
| arnaud | :) | 17:23 |
| mdbooth | Are there any other examples of config which needs to be on all hosts? | 17:24 |
| * mdbooth can't think of any | 17:24 | |
| mdbooth | I think fixing this may require a new db table | 17:25 |
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| garyk | mdbooth: a new db stable specific to a virt driver will be problematic | 17:25 |
| vuil | what do you mean by config that needs to be on all host here? | 17:25 |
| mdbooth | garyk: I guessed as much :( | 17:25 |
| vuil | list of rdm devices? | 17:25 |
| mdbooth | vuil: Yes | 17:26 |
| garyk | mdbooth: there may be system metadata for hosts. i am not sure. | 17:26 |
| vuil | I think this does not have to be exposed. | 17:27 |
| vuil | It is somewhat analogous to a cluster with non-homogeneous hosts... | 17:27 |
| arnaud | you reasoning with the table is to store this config to a table and everytime we scan we update the table, correct? | 17:27 |
| vuil | with some host not having enough resources to accept a VM, so it doesn't | 17:27 |
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| mdbooth | arnaud: Yeah | 17:27 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: We don't need to expose it. I just think we need to store some state. | 17:28 |
| mdbooth | I don't think it's unreasonable for a driver to store persistent state. | 17:29 |
| garyk | i do not understand something here - cider is reposnible for the volume right? | 17:29 |
| mdbooth | garyk: Yes. | 17:29 |
| mdbooth | garyk: Nova is responsible for making it available to the vm. | 17:30 |
| garyk | so cider should be aware of where the vm is running | 17:30 |
| garyk | then it can either perform the operation if possible or fail if not. | 17:30 |
| garyk | maybe i just do not understand the problems. sorry | 17:30 |
| mdbooth | garyk: No. The vm is running in the 'cluster'. Cinder should not have an internal view of the cluster. | 17:30 |
| garyk | mdbooth: cinder should. maybe the problem should be addressed there. | 17:30 |
| mdbooth | garyk: The VM may also move outside of openstack's control. | 17:31 |
| mdbooth | Because of HA or DRS, for eg. | 17:31 |
| garyk | mdbooth: why? | 17:31 |
| garyk | but if cinder was aware of that then it would not be a problem - for example with the vmdk driver | 17:31 |
| mdbooth | Or explicit vMotion by an admin. | 17:31 |
| vuil | mdbooth: purpose of the peristent state is...? | 17:31 |
| vuil | so we know which hosts need to rescan for new devices? | 17:32 |
| mdbooth | vuil: To store which targets needs to be configured. | 17:32 |
| mdbooth | Poss also rescan. | 17:32 |
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| vuil | A rescan is needed to discover new targets. A rescan discover all discoverable targets | 17:33 |
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| mdbooth | I haven't thought it through in detail, but I'm pretty sure doing it without persistent state would be a pain. | 17:33 |
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| vuil | so in theory there is no need to track how many there is to discover | 17:33 |
| mdbooth | vuil: The target must also be added to the hba | 17:33 |
| mdbooth | When a new host joins the cluster, it won't have any configured targets | 17:33 |
| mdbooth | Or when a new target is added to host a | 17:34 |
| mdbooth | it won't also be added to host b | 17:34 |
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| mdbooth | So you need to track both | 17:34 |
| vuil | Yeah sabari and I had a discussion about this. | 17:34 |
| vuil | One option is to wait till a new volume is added, and do the rescan | 17:35 |
| mdbooth | In theory you could scrape this from existing vm config, but that wouldn't be pretty or cheap | 17:35 |
| mdbooth | So technically it would be a denormalisation | 17:35 |
| mdbooth | Either way, you're going to want a reference golden state which is replicated to all hosts | 17:36 |
| arnaud | vuil, you mean rescan each host everytime we add a volume to 1 host? | 17:36 |
| mdbooth | Not just rescan | 17:36 |
| mdbooth | Also add new targets as required | 17:36 |
| mdbooth | Or remove them | 17:36 |
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| vuil | yeah, I am assuming that's part of it. | 17:36 |
| vuil | but essentially whatever we are doing for existing hosts, do the same for new one. | 17:36 |
| vuil | kinda punt the new host problem. | 17:37 |
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| vuil | it doesn't participate in iscsi/rdm until a new volume is added | 17:37 |
| arnaud | the new host can be specified in the doc | 17:37 |
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| arnaud | when you add a new host to your cluster, you need to scan | 17:37 |
| vuil | when add new volume is created and added to an instance, that already requires a rescan | 17:38 |
| mdbooth | Is there any vmware feature we can use for this? | 17:38 |
| mdbooth | It doesn't sound like a problem which is unique to us | 17:38 |
| mdbooth | Maybe some kind of profile | 17:38 |
| mdbooth | Then we could modify the profile | 17:38 |
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| mdbooth | Without that, I think we can do this if we store targets and paths in some kind of persistent storage | 17:40 |
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| arnaud | tbh, I think that we rescan each host everytime and when we attach we make sure that we take a host that is powered on and we specify in the doc that when we add a new host, we need to scan | 17:40 |
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| arnaud | the problem is solved | 17:40 |
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| mdbooth | Rescan is pretty expensive, btw | 17:40 |
| mdbooth | Many seconds | 17:41 |
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| vuil | yeah, but that needs to be done at minimum for one host | 17:41 |
| garyk | the patch that arnaud added should have the correct host for the instance | 17:42 |
| garyk | would that not suffice? | 17:42 |
| mdbooth | garyk: No, because it won't continue to work if the vm moves for any reason. | 17:43 |
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| arnaud | not enough for the vmotion case and the new host case | 17:43 |
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| mdbooth | And that move will not necessarily involve openstack. | 17:43 |
| garyk | it just seems like an edge case that the admin will move it to a host that does not see the correct device | 17:43 |
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| vuil | I am leaning towards advocating that vmotion-enablement be done out of band by some admin action | 17:44 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: Or DRS, or HA | 17:44 |
| vuil | by that I mean one can aschronously rescan the hba, and the VMs will be eventually vmotionable. | 17:44 |
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| garyk | my understanidng would be that the all of the hosts should be able to see the same devices. if not then it seems to be a setup issue | 17:44 |
| vuil | DRS should not try and fail to vmotion the VM to a host that cannot see the device | 17:45 |
| mdbooth | garyk: It absolutely is a setup issue. The setup needs to be done by Nova. | 17:45 |
| vuil | so until some other hosts discovers the iscsi devices, the VM is essentially pinned (but temporarily) | 17:45 |
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| garyk | mdbooth: why is the setup done by nova? | 17:45 |
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| mdbooth | vuil: That's fine. But we still need to ensure that the config is propagated eventually. | 17:46 |
| garyk | i would think that it is done out of band by someone who wants to increase the capacity of their cloud - they just adnother host to the cluster | 17:46 |
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| mdbooth | I think: config stored persistently somewhere (where?). Config on target host updated synchronously. Config on all other hosts updated asynchronously. Scan detects new hosts and auto adds all targets. | 17:47 |
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| mdbooth | garyk: iscsi volumes can come and go. e.g. cinder create ... creates one. | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | garyk: It's not feasible for an admin. | 17:48 |
| mdbooth | Scan process could also be responsible for async update. | 17:49 |
| garyk | it is starting to sound like cinder should be resposnible for this | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | Cinder can't be responsible for this. | 17:49 |
| garyk | why? | 17:49 |
| mdbooth | Cinder doesn't control the cluster. | 17:49 |
| arnaud | yeah because, it cinder doesn't know about the hosts | 17:49 |
| arnaud | in the cluster | 17:49 |
| arnaud | it cannot trigger the rescan of the targets | 17:49 |
| garyk | but cinder can add this support? | 17:49 |
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| mdbooth | garyk: Cinder in this case is an iscsi provider. | 17:49 |
| garyk | i just feel that we are trying to solve the problem in the wrong place | 17:49 |
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| mdbooth | It knows nothing of what is consuming the iscsi volumes. | 17:50 |
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| mdbooth | This is a consumption problem, not a provision problem. | 17:50 |
| arnaud | agreed | 17:50 |
| garyk | it receives a request to provide a resource. why does it not be 'clever' about that provisioning | 17:50 |
| mdbooth | Shall we continue this on the list? 9 mins for other topics. | 17:51 |
| arnaud | the iscsi logic in cinder should not be aware of vmware | 17:51 |
| vuil | because the cinder driver is not VC aware | 17:51 |
| tjones | mdbooth: we could also move to openstack-vmware to continue | 17:51 |
| tjones | in real-time | 17:51 |
| mdbooth | Ok | 17:51 |
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| garyk | ok, i was not aware that the cinder driver was not aware of vmware | 17:52 |
| vuil | lets do that | 17:52 |
| arnaud | garyk it's not the vmdk driver in cinder | 17:52 |
| arnaud | it's the lvm iscsi driver | 17:52 |
| garyk | i am currently working on the esx deprecation. | 17:52 |
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| garyk | there are a number of issues there. i will send a mail to the list at some stage or another | 17:53 |
| tjones | the other topcis i am aware of are backporting due to the refactor. I think we decided that once phase 1 is complete, gary will ask the stable core if we can backpoint the refactor. the other issue was the api changes mdbooth was mentioning | 17:53 |
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| tjones | mdbooth: fo you want to discuss this more here or was it just a heads up? | 17:53 |
| garyk | what api changes? | 17:53 |
| arnaud | quick question: what is the advantage of backporting the refactor? | 17:53 |
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| vuil | there is some churn in phase one, but the main upheaval happens in phase 2/3 | 17:53 |
| vuil | faciliate backports | 17:54 |
| garyk | arnaud: we will need to add in bug fixes to the stable branch. | 17:54 |
| mdbooth | tjones: We need agreement to move forward. I've dropped it because I don't know how to proceed. | 17:54 |
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| mdbooth | refactor related: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97170/ | 17:54 |
| mdbooth | Different refactor | 17:54 |
| mdbooth | Quick opinions on this? | 17:54 |
| mdbooth | I similarly dislike vim_util, btw | 17:54 |
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| garyk | i posted mine on the review | 17:55 |
| mdbooth | garyk: Yeah, want to move code changes to another patch. | 17:55 |
| arnaud | mdbooth +1 I cannot more agree with this patch | 17:55 |
| vuil | seems fine, and fairly orthogonal to the current refactor work | 17:55 |
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| garyk | mdbooth: why move them to another patch when you can do them on this one? | 17:55 |
| tjones | yes this and the power_off are orphans of phase 1 - but i hesitate to link them and block phase 2 | 17:56 |
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| mdbooth | garyk: Because if you're reviewing it, it simpler to see: this patch moves code around, that patch changes the code. | 17:56 |
| mdbooth | The 2 things are reviewed differently. | 17:56 |
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| mdbooth | Also, if you're backporting, you can more easily pick out code changes. | 17:56 |
| tjones | cheaper to review a "move only" patch | 17:56 |
| mdbooth | Otherwise you're left manually scanning big chunks of very similar code. | 17:57 |
| garyk | if so then just address the log comments | 17:57 |
| mdbooth | garyk: That said, I agreed with all your comments. Will do another patch. | 17:57 |
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| mdbooth | i.e. separate patch. | 17:57 |
| garyk | no, those should be done in this one | 17:57 |
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| tjones | ok 2 minutes - i think we still have some chatting to do, so lets move over to openstack-vmware to continue | 17:58 |
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| garyk | those are in the process of ebing changed in https://review.openstack.org/91352 . | 17:59 |
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| tjones | gotta end now | 18:00 |
| tjones | moving to openstack-vmware | 18:00 |
| mdbooth | k | 18:00 |
| tjones | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 4 18:00:16 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-06-04-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-06-04-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2014/vmwareapi.2014-06-04-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 4 20:00:51 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| skraynev | hey guys! | 20:01 |
| zaneb | #topic roll call | 20:01 |
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| tspatzier | hi all | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | \o for now | 20:01 |
| mspreitz | here | 20:01 |
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| tango | Hi | 20:01 |
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| iqbalmohomed | Hello everyone | 20:01 |
| zaneb | does anybody want to have a go at chairing one of these meetings? | 20:01 |
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| andreaRosa_home | hi | 20:01 |
| randallburt | hello all | 20:01 |
| jpeeler | hey | 20:02 |
| mspreitz | Zaneb: you mean today, or later? | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: either | 20:02 |
| BillArnold_ | hello | 20:02 |
| mspreitz | I'll offer to do one later | 20:02 |
| zaneb | I have therve doing the other one | 20:02 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: cheers :) | 20:02 |
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| mspreitz | You can contact me directly to arrange a date | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:03 |
| zaneb | ok | 20:03 |
| zaneb | #topic Convergence | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: go | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | I can't chair today because I have to leave in 20m | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | I can't chair, kid wrangling for school | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: thanks | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | I put this first because I have to excuse myself in a bit | 20:04 |
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| SpamapS | I just wanted to highlight that the specs are in full review for convergence, and I really appreciate the comments and ideas already added to them. | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/95907 | 20:04 |
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| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/96394 | 20:05 |
| zaneb | #link https://review.openstack.org/96404 | 20:05 |
| SpamapS | I also would like to see _more_ from everyone, as this is a large change, and it will really affect Heat in a large way, so we don't want to move forward without the full support of the core reviewers and community of developers as a whole. | 20:05 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: thanks was just about to go fetch those :) | 20:05 |
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| SpamapS | I wanted to bring up one thing: taskflow. | 20:05 |
| bgorski | o/ | 20:05 |
| mspreitz | Yes, I plan to say more | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, can you tell me how the observer notifies that a thing is done? is the observer RPC API sync or async, or does the observer actually push the next task into taskflow? | 20:06 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: taskflow isn't where the list of tasks to be done go. | 20:06 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: taskflow as a concept or taskflow the specific library? | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: taskflow would be used to manage the process of converging an out of sync resource. | 20:06 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: the library. | 20:07 |
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| SpamapS | the one that all the rest of OpenStack has accepted and is adopting in some form. | 20:07 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: k | 20:07 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: the graph that is in the database drives what happens after a resource has been moved to a COMPLETE state. | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, so the converger polls the database waiting for the observer to write to it? | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: so only convergence, not observer, changes that state, and thus it would be responsible for initiating calls to converge those items which have all of their parents in a COMPLETE state. | 20:08 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: which state? | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: observer changes the database and calls the convergence engine whenever observed state changes. | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | ok | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | Oh I just used the wrong words. Lets try that again. | 20:09 |
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| SpamapS | so whatever changes the observed state to match the goal state is responsible for initiating calls to converge those items which have all of their parents in a COMPLETE observed state. | 20:10 |
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| SpamapS | Regarding async vs. sync, I believe that should be async, but reliable. I don't actually know if we have a way to do that with our current RPC system. | 20:11 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: without regard to whether those downstream items are currently diverged? | 20:11 |
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| stevebaker | SpamapS, btw, I don't think you were in the room when we volunteered therve to look at starting the observer work during the RPC notification session in Atlanta | 20:12 |
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| SpamapS | mspreitz: if their parents were diverged, they will either be in an "initialized only" state (meaning they exist but have never been created) or they are existing but may need their other bits updated now that parents might ahve new attribute values. | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, so you should just sync up with him if you want to start it | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: no I was not | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | and I already started POC work just to validate my assumptions while writing the spec. That is fine, set based design and all. | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | I assume he hasn't started yet | 20:13 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: My question is, for downstream items that already exist, does engine test whether they need convergence or is there a call to the resource regardless? | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | I've just written some stubs and basic methods to observe, and to walk the dependency graph to find children. | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: a converge call on an item that is not diverged is what you just described: engine testing whether it needs convergence. | 20:14 |
| SpamapS | a relative noop | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | SpamapS, are we going to need a resource-level lock? or lock free? | 20:15 |
| SpamapS | if observed_state == goal_state: return | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | SpamapS: how will you handle merging dependency branches? | 20:15 |
| zaneb | i.e. when one resource depends on two others | 20:16 |
| mspreitz | SpamapS: I am not sure I understand your answer. Let me ask my question another way. Once a divergence is healed at one resource, is it inevitable that all recursive dependents will be called (and if not, how does it stop)? | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: the db should be able to control access at the row level. I am hoping we don't have to be explicit there, just rely on transaction serialization (which we may need to explicitly use) | 20:16 |
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| mspreitz | SpamapS: We probably do not want a transaction that lives as long as it takes to do an arbitrary resource call | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: it is inevitable that the direct dependents will have converge called on them. I don't think we'll force a full traversal though. | 20:17 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: +1 and I'm crossing my fingers. | 20:17 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: I assume the immediate dependencies are always triggered, and we stop at the point where nothing has changed | 20:17 |
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| mspreitz | So the resource can report "no change" ? | 20:17 |
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| SpamapS | zaneb: so thats the code I was writing, I find all the children, and then look at their parents. If any parents are still diverged, I do nothing. | 20:18 |
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| mspreitz | regarding locking, I think we need explicit locks --- you do not want to have to hold a transaction open for as long as it takes to do the convergence for a given resource | 20:18 |
| zaneb | ok, so you have a plan :) | 20:18 |
| SpamapS | zaneb: only the last parent's COMPLETE state change should kick off convergence of the children. | 20:18 |
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| SpamapS | mspreitz: no you don't need it for the time it takes to do the convergence. | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | mspreitz, I don't think that is what was being suggested | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | mspreitz: but you do need it for the time it takes to look around the graph. | 20:19 |
| SpamapS | which is tiny | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | shall we move on? | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | You basically don't want to be acting thinking that you're not the last COMPLETE parent, when you are. So we need that to be serialized by having a transaction open. | 20:20 |
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| zaneb | yes, let's move on | 20:21 |
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| zaneb | #topic API stability for out-of-tree resources | 20:21 |
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| SpamapS | It might be easier to use tooz to do that. I would accept that level of explicit locking if the transactions were deemed unreliable or overly complex | 20:21 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I'm guessing this is you | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | Anyway yeah I have to move on too | 20:21 |
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| SpamapS | thanks everyone | 20:21 |
| randallburt | we have "out-of-tree" resources? | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | I'm wondering to what extent we need to keep the internal API stable to ease the burden of maintaining an out-of-tree resources | 20:22 |
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| zaneb | I would say to a great extent | 20:22 |
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| mspreitz | Sounds like a worthy goal to me | 20:22 |
| zaneb | a lot of people at summit seemed to be using custom resources | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | in the long term sure, but we've never set any expectations that our internal API is stable, so what should we set? | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | some options are | 20:23 |
| zaneb | really? I have always set the expectation that the public parts of that API are supposed to be stable | 20:24 |
| randallburt | Why not encourage contrib contributions as well? Hooking your own ci/cd into Gerrit also seems like a viable solution as well. | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, what is public? | 20:24 |
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| radix | everything without an underscore in front of it? :) | 20:24 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: that's a trickier question, but for the most part it's obvious | 20:24 |
| randallburt | the lifecycle spec for a resource plugin (the methods you need to override) should be relatively stable, but other than that, I'm not sure there's much more the plug-in author should worry about. | 20:25 |
| zaneb | what radix said for a start :D | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | we could say that unless you put it in contrib or hook in 3rd-party CI then things could break at any time | 20:25 |
| randallburt | radix: def not | 20:25 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: +1 | 20:25 |
| zaneb | I have no problem with deprecating stuff | 20:25 |
| zaneb | but we should follow a normal deprecation process | 20:25 |
| radix | well, that's a default that python programmers expect, and afaik we don't have a published document describing what's public or not | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | we could say that the Resource class is stable enough, but anything else is fair game (Stack, nova_utils etc) | 20:25 |
| randallburt | things like handle_ and check_ should be changed with great care, but not much else counts (or should) | 20:25 |
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| radix | randallburt: thats' not a good enough description, and also it's not published | 20:26 |
| randallburt | radix: it is in the plug-in developers guide | 20:26 |
| radix | oh. never mind then :) | 20:26 |
| zaneb | yeah, I'd say to a first approximation, anything mentioned in the plugin developer guide should be stable | 20:27 |
| randallburt | zaneb: +1 | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | also, for things which are deprecated, can we remove them as soon as the next dev cycle opens? | 20:27 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: I presume that relationship runs both ways | 20:28 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I think the usual policy is it remains deprecated for a whole cycle, then remove at the beginning of the next one | 20:28 |
| BillArnold_ | zaneb +1 (deprecation for an entire cycle) | 20:28 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: agree with zaneb | 20:28 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: fair point :) | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | dang, with the amount of refactoring convergence will need that is a long time | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | I'd be happy to say anything deprecated before j-1 could be removed at the beginning of K | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | ok, I'm alright with that | 20:29 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: we may just need a whole new plugin api for convergence | 20:30 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: was that "before the open of j-1" or 'before the close of j-1' ? | 20:30 |
| skraynev | zaneb: possibly will be good to have some list with things for removing (that were deprecated) | 20:30 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: j-1 is a milestone | 20:30 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: I mean useful for creating bug about deleting such kind things | 20:31 |
| zaneb | I do think it ought to be something particularly heinous we're removing to justify rushing it | 20:31 |
| zaneb | skraynev: bugs are good. DeprecationWarning in the code is also good | 20:32 |
| zaneb | #topic Voting and reliability of heat-slow | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: this is also you | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | me again | 20:33 |
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| stevebaker | the heat-slow job fails about 20% of the time due to slow nodes timing out fedora boot, but it is a very useful check that a change is valid | 20:34 |
| skraynev | one question about it: does it work now ? I have seen some errors in Jenkins results | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | so IMO it *must* pass before any heat change is approved | 20:34 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: do you have a bug number for the timeout? | 20:35 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: what would it take to fix the timeout period? | 20:35 |
| zaneb | that we can use for retriggers | 20:35 |
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| stevebaker | there was a change this week which broke heat-slow completely | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, I can find it later | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | mspreitz, a custom image built during devstack start, which I am working on | 20:36 |
| mspreitz | ugh! | 20:36 |
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| mspreitz | Is there a problem here to propagate upstream? | 20:36 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1297560 ? | 20:37 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1297560 in tempest "*tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow fails with WaitConditionTimeout" [Undecided,New] | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | so we can either spank the miscreants when heat-slow breaking changes land, or we could make heat-slow a voting job just for heat changes | 20:37 |
| zaneb | I would support the latter, if the fix for the current issue ever gets merged | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | I think it has merged, I can't see it in therves changes any more | 20:38 |
| randallburt | +1 for the latter | 20:38 |
| zaneb | I didn't know anything was getting merged :D | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | zaneb, that is the bug. it would be better if that bug described what a logind timeout on boot looked like | 20:39 |
| mspreitz | stevebaker: is the time limit in the image or something less "baked" ? | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | ok, action for me: make heat-slow voting | 20:39 |
| zaneb | #agreed we want the heat-slow Tempest job gating on Heat patches | 20:39 |
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| stevebaker | mspreitz, another option is switch to ubuntu, which also requires custom image | 20:40 |
| zaneb | #info the bug for timeout rechecks is bug 1297560 | 20:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1297560 in tempest "*tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow fails with WaitConditionTimeout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1297560 | 20:40 |
| mspreitz | Is the customization to change the time limit, or is it about something else? | 20:40 |
| zaneb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1297560 | 20:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1297560 in tempest "*tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow fails with WaitConditionTimeout" [Undecided,New] | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | mspreitz, custom image is also required to install the software-config agent and hooks | 20:41 |
| zaneb | #action stevebaker to make heat-slow voting on heat | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | #topic Review last meeting's actions | 20:41 |
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| zaneb | 1. zaneb to sync with andrew_plunk on status of Rackspace CI Jenkins job | 20:42 |
| zaneb | we synced | 20:42 |
| zaneb | nothing had happened yet | 20:42 |
| zaneb | andrew_plunk: want to give a quick update? | 20:42 |
| andrew_plunk | zaneb, things are happening now, I have had to disable the job because of some build failures in the template we are using for integration testing | 20:42 |
| andrew_plunk | which has led me down the path of how to do reporting when an upstream patch causes a problem on the Rackspace cloud | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | #action andrew_plunk to continue working on integrating Rackspace 3rd-party CI | 20:43 |
| andrew_plunk | and how to differentiate those problems from service failures | 20:43 |
| andrew_plunk | ok. Thanks zaneb | 20:43 |
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| zaneb | 2. zaneb to sync with stevebaker on metadata in resource plugin API | 20:44 |
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| zaneb | we synced on this too | 20:44 |
| zaneb | I have no recollection of the outcome :D | 20:44 |
| zaneb | I guess this is actually the agenda item we just discussed | 20:44 |
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| mspreitz | ? | 20:45 |
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| stevebaker | oh, I haven't put a patch together for that yet | 20:45 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: can you pls explain that? | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: it's about stability of the resource plugin API | 20:46 |
| stevebaker | too busy breaking other internal API ;) | 20:46 |
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| mspreitz | pls remind me, are we adding or removing metadata? | 20:46 |
| zaneb | mspreitz: neither | 20:46 |
| zaneb | stevebaker broke the api | 20:46 |
| zaneb | we discussed how to fix it again before anyone notices | 20:46 |
| mspreitz | got it, thanks | 20:47 |
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| zaneb | #action stevebaker to put up a patch to restore the metadata attribute of Resources for plugin API backwards compatibility | 20:47 |
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| zaneb | #topic oslo-messaging blueprint | 20:48 |
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| zaneb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/oslo-messaging | 20:48 |
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| zaneb | sdake was working on migrating us to oslo-messaging | 20:48 |
| zaneb | however, he is sadly indisposed | 20:48 |
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| zaneb | I know a lot of people are wanting this change to go through | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | does anyone want to pick it up? | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | there are patches available, it just needs a bit of a tidy-up I think | 20:49 |
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| zaneb | now that therve has fixed the config options generation, it should be relatively easy | 20:50 |
| cyli | zaneb: is this something someone new to heat can pick up easily? | 20:50 |
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| stevebaker | there was someone keen to do that, I can't remember who | 20:50 |
| zaneb | cyli: it could be, actually | 20:50 |
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| stevebaker | i need to go now o/ | 20:51 |
| zaneb | ok, if anyone wants it, grab the blueprint | 20:51 |
| zaneb | if multiple people want it, ping me and I can co-ordinate | 20:51 |
| iqbalmohomed | I'm also new and interested ... will take a look at it before commiting :D | 20:52 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: IMO, sdake will be a better person for finishing it :) He already knows all possible problem | 20:52 |
| zaneb | #topic juno-1 blueprint status | 20:53 |
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| zaneb | I bumped a lot of blueprints that were targeted at j-1 | 20:54 |
| zaneb | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-1 | 20:55 |
| skraynev | looks like all have good progress | 20:56 |
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| zaneb | if you think your blueprint will actually land, please target it back | 20:56 |
| zaneb | there are a couple there that still need approval | 20:56 |
| zaneb | I haven't had the chance to look at the reviews for them yet | 20:56 |
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| zaneb | and for all blueprints you're working on, please keep the delivery status up to date | 20:57 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: remind me, when is j-1? | 20:57 |
| zaneb | #action everyone to update delivery status on blueprints | 20:57 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: next week | 20:57 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Juno_Release_Schedule | 20:58 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: thanks, that makes the decision for one of my bps easy | 20:58 |
| BillArnold_ | tspatzier 2014-06-12 | 20:58 |
| skraynev | so close... I forgot about it. | 20:58 |
| zaneb | #info juno-1 milestone is next week | 20:58 |
| zaneb | yeah, the first one goes quick | 20:58 |
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| zaneb | the key is to start working on stuff *before* summit | 20:59 |
| tspatzier | zaneb: I have one that has not net been approved and targeted. I think j-2 should work - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/action-aware-sw-config | 20:59 |
| zaneb | tspatzier: thanks, I'll take a look | 20:59 |
| zaneb | #topic Critical issues sync | 21:00 |
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| zaneb | I think everyone left | 21:00 |
| zaneb | and we're out of time anyway | 21:00 |
| iqbalmohomed | :) | 21:00 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| randallburt | I'm still here but we're outta time | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 4 21:00:29 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-04-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-04-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-06-04-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
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| skraynev | -> heat ? | 21:00 |
| mspreitz | what were the critical issues? | 21:00 |
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