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| cyeoh | #startmeeting Nova API | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 4 00:01:19 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Nova API)" | 00:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 00:01 |
| cyeoh | Hi - who do we have here today? | 00:01 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 00:01 |
| ken1ohmichi | hi | 00:01 |
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| masayukig | hi | 00:01 |
| GMann_ | Hi | 00:02 |
| ivanzhu | hi | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | ok let's get started | 00:02 |
| cyeoh | #topic vNext | 00:02 |
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| cyeoh | jaypipes: would you like to talk about what you have here? | 00:03 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: ok, sure, thx. | 00:03 |
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| jaypipes | #link http://docs.oscomputevnext.apiary.io/ | 00:03 |
| jaypipes | #link https://github.com/jaypipes/openstack-compute-api | 00:03 |
| jaypipes | so, I've been brainstorming about ideas for the compute API **if backwards compatibility was no issue whatsoever** | 00:03 |
| jaypipes | thus, calling it vNext and not getting into any discussion about what number version it is :) | 00:04 |
| cyeoh | yea so I think when we bump the major version we should feel free to break backwards compatibility | 00:04 |
| jaypipes | I am still working on the README and apiblueprint documentation, but some of the major concepts that I'm going for are documented at the top of the docs.apiary link above | 00:04 |
| jaypipes | one of the more controversial concepts I presume will be the complete lack of API extensions. | 00:05 |
| jaypipes | as well as the removal of anything in the Nova API that is for deployers or operators. | 00:05 |
| cyeoh | jaypipes: yea I suspect that's something that would need a lot of discussion with deployers/operators | 00:06 |
| jaypipes | some of the less controversial stuff is probably the lack of XML and the use of JSON-Home and JSONSchema docs for discovery of the API | 00:06 |
| cyeoh | especially the lack of API extensions because I think they're the ones that want that flexibility | 00:06 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: so my initial thought on the operator/deployer API stuff is that operators could continue to use the v2/3 API for operator actions if that were desired | 00:07 |
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| cyeoh | but long term v2/v3 would be dropped wouldn't it? | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | (like super long term) | 00:07 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: yup | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | so they are going to want some sort of migration path. | 00:07 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: which would give us time to decide whether a separate RESTful API for operators is appropriate (or a non-RESTful API or tooling set, ect) | 00:08 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: of course. that's not the intention of the vNext API discussions, though. :) | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | ok, that's reasonable | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | I think removing XML is no brainer - its already removed from the V3 API and on its way out from V2 | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | V2.1 would not support XML either | 00:09 |
| jaypipes | sure, I figured there's be little disagreement there. | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | The JSON-Home/JSON schema docs is how I'd like to head for the V3 API | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | I think we almost enough in place now | 00:09 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: are you familiar with APIBlueprint? | 00:09 |
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| cyeoh | jaypipes: no, have you got a link? | 00:09 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: that first link above is it :) | 00:10 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: it is the formatted representation of this: https://github.com/jaypipes/openstack-compute-api/blob/master/apiary.apib | 00:10 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: basically, it allows one to use Markdown to document the API contract (request and reponse payloads, API routes, etc) | 00:11 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: but in a machine readable format that is also human-readable. | 00:11 |
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| cyeoh | hrm interesting. Are you suggesting its something we autogenerate instead of using WADL etc? | 00:11 |
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| jaypipes | cyeoh: so all of the JSON-Home and JSONSchema documents are actually stored in the APIBlueprint Markdown document, which is machine parseable, and thus you see that the request and response payload and object model are expressable in a single document | 00:12 |
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| jaypipes | cyeoh: writing the API spec in APIBlueprint allows you to generate the API spec, yes. | 00:12 |
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| jaypipes | cyeoh: including generating all of the JSONSChema docs that are embedded in the apiblueprint markdown document. | 00:12 |
| cyeoh | jaypipes: ok, its definitely something we should look at closer then - docs are one of the worst parts of the current API (and its not really the docs team fault) | 00:13 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: as a neat side-effect, you can actually hit the oscomputevnext.apiary.com endpoint and test HTTP requests against the APIBlueprint contract. | 00:13 |
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| cyeoh | that sounds great | 00:14 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: so in a way, the single APIBlueprint is self-validating, because Markdown is either valid or not, so you can validate the API spec as well as the content of the API specification itself... kinda cool. | 00:14 |
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| jaypipes | anyway... thx for letting me introduce the vNext stuff. It's not done yet, and I very much welcome forks and pull requests on there. feel free to critique, add, delete, etc | 00:15 |
| cyeoh | so your desire to pull out operator or "internal" type functionality from the REST API - does that come from wanting to make the API simpler for ordinary users to understand? | 00:16 |
| jaypipes | it's a big playground for ideas on compute API stuff | 00:16 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: yes, that is exactly the point. | 00:16 |
| cyeoh | ok. | 00:16 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: there's a reason we don't expose database schema migrations in the REST API... it just doesn't make sense | 00:16 |
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| cyeoh | I really like the idea of having really long term planning for the API | 00:16 |
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| jaypipes | cyeoh: likewise, although I'm sure amazon has internal operator APIs, it's not exposed in the same AWS API everyone else uses... | 00:16 |
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| cyeoh | Just looking at the philosophy/style section I think there's a few things we should integrate into V3 - some i'd like to do like having UUIDs for everything but hard because of $INTERNALS_REASONS | 00:17 |
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| jaypipes | cyeoh: again, I'm not at all opposed to operation API actions... just not keen on them being in the same API as users of the cloud. I feel it is confusing and makes the API documentation and usage mddy | 00:18 |
| jaypipes | muddy... | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | yea, it may be as simple as separating them in the documentation? | 00:18 |
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| jaypipes | cyeoh: eh... I'd prefer an entirely separate API really. | 00:18 |
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| cyeoh | if normal users can't discover it does it make a difference? | 00:19 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: operators and admins and users just don't view the cloud in the same way, and having a single control API for different audiences doesn't make as much sense to me as having separate ones for the operator and the admins/users | 00:19 |
| cyeoh | ok | 00:20 |
| jaypipes | cyeoh: I think it would be simpler in the code to have a clean break, but hey, this is a community consensus thing... there's more than one side to this debate... | 00:20 |
| cyeoh | depending on the timeframe for a stable V3 I'd like us to consider some of the ideas you have here http://docs.oscomputevnext.apiary.io/ | 00:20 |
| jaypipes | totally just want to put things on the table and play around with ideas without any boundaries | 00:20 |
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| cyeoh | yea I think we need to work out where we want to get to in the long term, and then consider how to get there separately with the extra constraints like maintenance overhead | 00:21 |
| cyeoh | anyway thank you very much for joining today to talk about it. Are you planning on submitting a summit session about this? | 00:22 |
| jaypipes | yep, absolutely. | 00:22 |
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| jaypipes | I'll even bring some beer to the session ;) | 00:22 |
| cyeoh | excellent :-) was there anything else you want to talk about vNext or we'll move on to the next topic | 00:23 |
| jaypipes | nope, good on my end, thx | 00:23 |
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| cyeoh | #topic progress on v2 on v3 API POC | 00:23 |
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| cyeoh | so I have submitted a nova-specs patch | 00:24 |
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| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84695/ | 00:24 |
| cyeoh | this won't merge until we've had some discussions about it at summit | 00:24 |
| cyeoh | but I'd encourage everyone to have a look at it to make sure we haven't missed anything | 00:24 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: I was wondering if you had any more feedback about it - anything you think we should add? | 00:25 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: Nova has a lot of APIs. it is better to consider how to manage the progress. | 00:26 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: right, and how much we want to do for the POC? | 00:26 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: would it be useful to have a spreadsheet like we have for the tempest tests? | 00:27 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: now 6 APIs are PoC targets. | 00:27 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: I think it is a good idea. | 00:27 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: now we are managing Tempest tasks on spreadsheet also. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmYuZ6T4IJETdEVNTWlYVUVOWURmOERSZ0VGc1BBQWc#gid=3 | 00:28 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: I feel it is beter thatv2.1 tasks also will be managed like that:] | 00:28 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: I think that would be really good - is that something you have time to do? | 00:29 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: sorry, do you mean? | 00:29 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: I'm wondering if you could setup the spreadsheet for the v2.1 tasks - and we'll track things that way | 00:30 |
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| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: oh, I will do it:-) | 00:30 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: excellent, thx! | 00:30 |
| cyeoh | #action ken1ohmichi to set up v2.1 tasks tracking spreadsheet | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | I guess if we implement any more v2.1 APIs we should concentrate on the core ones | 00:31 |
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| cyeoh | (things defined as core in the V3 API as they are most likely the most important) | 00:31 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: agree | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | so one other thing came up in the discussions around V2.1 | 00:32 |
| cyeoh | and that was if for v2.1 it would be possible to put the input validation into a mode where it didn't reject requests | 00:32 |
| cyeoh | but instead just logged invalid requests | 00:32 |
| cyeoh | this would presumably be done using a config flag | 00:32 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78111/ for PoC. | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | the reasoning behind this was that some cloud providers would want to do this, so they'd roll out v2.1 to a few clients | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: ok I'll review that one today | 00:33 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: thanks! | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | and the clients would run their apps as normal | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | if they were misusing the API because of the relaxed input validation | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | it would still work with v2.1, but the cloud providers would see the logs and be able to tell them | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | also they'd get a better handle on how many people are misusing the API | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | I think the main downsides would be they'd likely get an internal server error when they did misuse the API (but perhaps thats ok) | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | and we'd need to think carefully about any potential security issues | 00:35 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: I think it'd be possible though for the validator to have a mode where it just didn't raise an exception, but logged instead when there was a problem? | 00:35 |
| ken1ohmichi | I guess many people misuse APIs because Nova unit tests also did it. | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: yes I'm guessing its actually quite common! | 00:36 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: that is an interesting idea. I feel we can do it. | 00:36 |
| ken1ohmichi | with some option. | 00:36 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: ok cool, just wanted to check with you we weren't promising the impossible :-) | 00:37 |
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| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: now checking:-) | 00:37 |
| cyeoh | so I talked to russellb about the -2's on the v2-on-v3-api patches, and he has very kindly removed the -2's | 00:38 |
| GMann_ | cyeoh: in that case will Nova auto recover the wrong input? | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | GMann_: so it's likely it will crash and burn in some way and raise some random exception | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | in which case its likely that it will return a 500 Internal Server Error | 00:38 |
| GMann_ | ok | 00:39 |
| cyeoh | but as long as cloud operators know that's going to happen I think its ok. | 00:39 |
| GMann_ | ok, Got it. Thx | 00:39 |
| cyeoh | its really just a special mode so everyone can get a better handle on how much pain a v2 to v2.1 upgrade will cause | 00:39 |
| cyeoh | re: the v2-on-v3-api patches, please ensure that the WIP flag is put back on if you do rebasing | 00:40 |
| cyeoh | so the patches don't end up skewing the stats on the nova queue | 00:40 |
| cyeoh | and so they don't get accidentally get merged. I think its ok to put a big "DO NOT MERGE" in the commit message for now too | 00:40 |
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| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: but I cannot mark the other developers patches. | 00:41 |
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| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: for WIP. | 00:42 |
| cyeoh | hrm | 00:42 |
| cyeoh | I thought we could mark other people's patches WIP? | 00:42 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: is not enough to include "WIP" as the title? | 00:42 |
| cyeoh | or maybe you need to be nova-core to do it, I appear to have the perms to do it | 00:42 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: that will help, but unfortunately the stats scripts don't look for that. | 00:43 |
| cyeoh | if you can't mark other people's patches WIP, just make sure you do your own, and I'll go through the patch series every now and then fix up any that are missing | 00:43 |
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| cyeoh | For those who don't know, I did a big rebase this week of all the v2-on-v3-api patches so we have one single series of patches | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | the end one is this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83256/ | 00:44 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: thanks, will ping you when needing it. | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | which is ken1ohmichi's patch which makes v2.1 appear as /v2 so if you pull that one you should get them all | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | if you do add any more POC patches, please make sure you insert it somewhere appropriate in the patch series and rebase any dependencies | 00:45 |
| cyeoh | there is an ordered list at the end of this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NovaV2OnV3POC | 00:45 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: sure, will take care of it:) | 00:45 |
| cyeoh | to help us make sure we keep things in the right order | 00:45 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: thanks! | 00:45 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: re: option for log instead of exception: enough to do it, just set some option at https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/validation/validators.py#L69 | 00:46 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: excellent, so that'd just be a single point where we can LOG instead of raising an exception... | 00:46 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: will add it to *v3* tasks. | 00:47 |
| cyeoh | which brings up my other question about v2 on v3 - | 00:47 |
| ken1ohmichi | nothing from me:) | 00:47 |
| cyeoh | so when an invalid V2 request comes in | 00:47 |
| cyeoh | it will get translated and then hit the v3 validator | 00:47 |
| cyeoh | which will produce a v3 specific error message | 00:47 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: right. | 00:48 |
| cyeoh | is it going to be possible to translate the error message on the way back so say instead of saying invalid imageID | 00:48 |
| cyeoh | it can say invalid image_id? | 00:48 |
| cyeoh | oops other way around ;-) | 00:48 |
| cyeoh | I suspect that's going to be rather tricky, but maybe possible? | 00:48 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: I am not sure now.. | 00:49 |
| cyeoh | we might have to delay the generation of the string message till later, and perhaps raise an object with the raw info | 00:49 |
| cyeoh | anyway I will play around with a few ideas | 00:49 |
| cyeoh | but I thought I should flag it as a potential issues | 00:50 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: and I feel it is not matter if outputing image_id instead of imageId as v2 BadRequest because v2.0 msg is not consistent. | 00:50 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: heh, that is sort of true :-) | 00:50 |
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| cyeoh | I guess I was thinking if it was possible we should try to get it right. | 00:50 |
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| cyeoh | ok was anything else about the v2 on v3 POC that people wanted to talk about? | 00:51 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: if doing it, we need to pass v2 info to validation code. that would make a little durty code. | 00:52 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: yea I"m not sure how we'd do it cleanly yet. | 00:52 |
| cyeoh | though we have the name mappings in the decorators already | 00:52 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: yes, right. | 00:52 |
| cyeoh | anyway I will have a play and see if its possible, otherwise it may have to be something we have to live with | 00:53 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: thanks:) | 00:53 |
| cyeoh | #topic progress on API response validation in tempest | 00:53 |
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| cyeoh | is there anything we need to talk about here? Other than needing to do more reviews :-) | 00:54 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh; yes need more reviews:) | 00:54 |
| cyeoh | heh :-) | 00:54 |
| cyeoh | I've been slack this week. Will try to get more done soon | 00:54 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: great | 00:54 |
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| cyeoh | mrda: are you around atm? | 00:54 |
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| cyeoh | ok we'll go on to the v3 API work then | 00:55 |
| cyeoh | #topic Ongoing V3 API related work | 00:55 |
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| cyeoh | so I think we have consensus in #openstack-nova that we can continue to merge V3 related work that we missed in Icehouse | 00:55 |
| ken1ohmichi | great! | 00:56 |
| cyeoh | so things like missing extensions, moving policy checks up to the API layer etc | 00:56 |
| cyeoh | but we do need to still put blueprints specs in | 00:56 |
| ivanzhu | cyeoh: so we can restore these patches | 00:56 |
| cyeoh | so I'll try to work on those over the next few days, but everyone should feel free to work on them too if they'd like to :-) | 00:56 |
| cyeoh | ivanzhu: yep, restore them, but we'll need to get the blueprint re-approved. | 00:57 |
| ivanzhu | cyeoh: great | 00:57 |
| ken1ohmichi | OK, validation taks also remain. will restore them. | 00:57 |
| cyeoh | ivanzhu: the policy check ones scare me so much though I'm tempted to suggest we need 3 +2 votes on them though | 00:58 |
| cyeoh | ivanzhu: purely from the point of view that if we get it wrong, we introduce a security bug | 00:58 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: that's be great, thx! | 00:58 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: the validation patches really clean up the V3 API code | 00:58 |
| cyeoh | #topic Open Discussion | 00:59 |
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| cyeoh | ok we have like 1 minute left :-) | 00:59 |
| cyeoh | is there anything else? | 00:59 |
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| tianst20 | cyeoh: before we merge the policy check , i think we should first change the policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76829/ | 00:59 |
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| cyeoh | tianst20: ok I will have to look at that | 01:00 |
| tianst20 | thanks , | 01:00 |
| cyeoh | tianst20: you will have to chase up jog0 to remove the -2 | 01:00 |
| cyeoh | ok we're out of time, thank you everyone for attending. | 01:01 |
| cyeoh | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 4 01:01:26 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-04-04-00.01.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-04-04-00.01.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-04-04-00.01.log.html | 01:01 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: thanks all | 01:01 |
| GMann_ | Thanks. | 01:01 |
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| DinaBelova | #startmeeting climate | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 4 15:01:59 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'climate' | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | hello folks! | 15:02 |
| bauzas_mob | Hi | 15:02 |
| cmart | \o | 15:02 |
| cmart | hello | 15:02 |
| pafuent | o/ | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | hello, guys) | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | so today's agenda is the following | 15:02 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate | 15:03 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:03 | |
| scroiset_ | o/ | 15:03 |
| DinaBelova | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-03-28-15.00.html | 15:03 |
| DinaBelova | Swann, o/ | 15:03 |
| DinaBelova | so, as for the action items | 15:03 |
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| DinaBelova | bauzas_mob, are you ok to give status? | 15:03 |
| bauzas_mob | I got one :-) | 15:03 |
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| DinaBelova | well) | 15:04 |
| bauzas_mob | so the etherpad is created | 15:04 |
| bauzas_mob | feel free to comment it | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | ok, cool | 15:04 |
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| DinaBelova | may you publish the link& | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | here? | 15:04 |
| DinaBelova | So I'll create action item | 15:05 |
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| bauzas_mob | Sure | 15:05 |
| DinaBelova | ok, waiting for that) | 15:05 |
| bauzas | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-resource-allocation-framework | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | #action everyone take a look on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-resource-allocation-framework | 15:06 |
| bauzas | schizophrenia, bauzas_mob is my mobile device :) | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | we got it) | 15:06 |
| cmart | two bauzas at the price of one :) | 15:06 |
| DinaBelova | ok, as for the my action items | 15:07 |
| DinaBelova | so Barbican folks seem to need maintenance) | 15:07 |
| DinaBelova | so we can join them, I guess) | 15:07 |
| DinaBelova | soo | 15:07 |
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| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova write Barbican folks about one gerrit maintenance | 15:08 |
| bauzas | cool :) | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:08 |
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| DinaBelova | as for the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-bp-basic-volume-plugin | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | I'm really sorry, but I ha dno time for it this week | 15:08 |
| DinaBelova | So I'll take a look on it this one | 15:08 |
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| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova view & comment https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-bp-basic-volume-plugin | 15:09 |
| pafuent | The same is for me | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | and pafuent added https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84158/ on review) | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | that's quite cool | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | but as you see there is error now there | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | so pafuent please rebase this change | 15:10 |
| bauzas | yup | 15:10 |
| pafuent | OK | 15:10 |
| pafuent | I'll do it | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | it looks like fast-forward merging did not work | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so that's it for this topic | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Renaming status | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Renaming status (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:10 | |
| DinaBelova | I'm still waiting the response from the foundation... | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | I'll ping them one more time today | 15:11 |
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| DinaBelova | to find out results of their checks | 15:11 |
| bauzas | ok | 15:11 |
| cmart | cool | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | as if we'll be together with barbican, we need to know what name to use :D | 15:11 |
| pafuent | :-D | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | well, they were silent, will ping them one more time | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova ping foundation about new name search status | 15:12 |
| bauzas | ok | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | so, I'm moving further | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Cross-project session status | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross-project session status (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:12 | |
| DinaBelova | ok, so we have some news | 15:12 |
| bauzas | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/45 | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | first of all, it was decided to set deadline for the cross-project sessions and 'other' sessions to the 10 April | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | so | 15:13 |
| bauzas | (for convenience :) ) | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | it'll be the last day for these topics proposal | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:13 |
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| DinaBelova | and also it was decided to make decisions about what sessions to be spoken before mid April | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | so we'll know for sure about if there will it be ~15 April | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | currently chances are quite nice, btw | 15:14 |
| bauzas | cool | 15:14 |
| bauzas | I raised this topic during last Gantt meeting | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | so, that were some kind of news I wanted to tell on this topic | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | yep, saw that) | 15:15 |
| bauzas | because there was some interest | 15:15 |
| bauzas | lurker ! ;) | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | about gantt api? | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | this one? | 15:15 |
| bauzas | nope, about cross-service scheduling | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | oh, ok | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | cool | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | so, I think we might move on | 15:15 |
| bauzas | +1 | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Energy efficiency BP status | 15:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Energy efficiency BP status (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:16 | |
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| DinaBelova | f_rossigneux, you here? | 15:16 |
| f_rossigneux | yes | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | ok, cool | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | please describe current status for this BP | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | in several words | 15:17 |
| * DinaBelova waiting :) | 15:17 | |
| f_rossigneux | This blueprint can be reviewed. | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | well, I was mostly about what had you already done | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | because, for example, for me it was quite a surprise to anderstand that you have started your work - without setting BP to the started phase | 15:19 |
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| DinaBelova | and to learn that you created separated repo, etc. | 15:19 |
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| DinaBelova | because I've looked through your etherpad | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-standby-modes | 15:19 |
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| DinaBelova | and I've got some questions | 15:19 |
| scroiset_ | f_rossigneux: did you take a look at the ironic api ? | 15:20 |
| scroiset_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/webapi/v1.html#nodestates | 15:20 |
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| f_rossigneux | Not yet, today I was finalizing the client to query my "kwstandby" module. | 15:20 |
| scroiset_ | if it's can be leveraged ... ? | 15:20 |
| scroiset_ | ok | 15:21 |
| f_rossigneux | I have writte a module to put the host in standby modes. It in finished but not yet tested on a real infrastructure. Climate will use it, but I consider it as an external project. It could be merged in the future. | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | I would vote to put your plugin in the contrib repo then | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | I've got mostly questions about your events - for example, there is already pre-start events, etc. + I'm not sure that it 1/ should be separated repo 2/ it definately should not be on your github, but in the stackfoge, even if needed 3/ i definately don't like the idea of 3-rd party dependency for climate | 15:22 |
| f_rossigneux | The most important feature to implement now is the reservation aggregation, in order to minimize the number of active hosts. | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | so ++ for bauzas | 15:22 |
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| DinaBelova | because simply we'll have no opportunity to say "import kwstandbyclient" in climate | 15:23 |
| bauzas | +1 | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | as we're still hoping for being separated project after summit | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | and there *can't* be such dependencies in incubated project, for instance | 15:24 |
| scroiset_ | +1 ^^^ | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | I'll ask all of us to take a look on Francois' etherpad and to comment all unliked moments | 15:24 |
| bauzas | we can imagine a plugin in contrib with appropriate instructions for adding it | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | f_rossigneux, sorry for that, but it would have been quite easier if we *knew* you started work | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | so | 15:25 |
| bauzas | the bad is that we won't have the opportunity to leverage it within Climate directly :( | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | #action all comment https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/climate-standby-modes - find all naughty things and try to do that as quick as possible | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | so, if that's it here, I'll set next topic | 15:26 |
| f_rossigneux | ok | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Open discussion | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:26 | |
| DinaBelova | so, folks, do you have some questions to be discussed here? | 15:26 |
| pafuent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/climate/+bug/1301294 | 15:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1301294 in climate "Physical reservations don't work when service name != hypervisor_name" [Undecided,New] | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | ok, looking on it | 15:27 |
| pafuent | bauzas: I don't get why are you saying "Nova puts the host in the freepool agg and take use of service_name." Climate is passing the id or the name of the host to nova. | 15:27 |
| bauzas | sure pafuent | 15:27 |
| bauzas | so, let me show you the discrepancy | 15:27 |
| pafuent | OK | 15:27 |
| bauzas | that's happening with Havana | 15:27 |
| bauzas | but there are possibilities to get it in also Icehouse | 15:28 |
| bauzas | https://github.com/stackforge/climate/blob/master/climate/plugins/oshosts/reservation_pool.py#L194 | 15:28 |
| bauzas | agg.hosts is returning the name of the hosts | 15:29 |
| bauzas | but the names are actually the service_name's :) | 15:29 |
| bauzas | not the hypervisor ones | 15:29 |
| bauzas | that's highly visible in Havana | 15:29 |
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| DinaBelova | wow, nice) | 15:29 |
| bauzas | because on devstack | 15:29 |
| bauzas | hypervisor_hostname is the FQDN | 15:29 |
| bauzas | like foo.local | 15:30 |
| bauzas | and service_name is only foo | 15:30 |
| bauzas | test it on your own and you'll see | 15:30 |
| cmart | sorry.. What's FQDN? | 15:30 |
| bauzas | fully qualified domain name | 15:30 |
| cmart | ah OK! | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_qualified_domain_name | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:31 |
| cmart | got it, thanks! | 15:31 |
| scroiset_ | and to cover all cases, the hostname can be set in nova.conf too | 15:31 |
| bauzas | yep | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | ++ | 15:31 |
| bauzas | hence the problem | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | so, ok | 15:31 |
| bauzas | the service_name will be set by nova.conf | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | pafuent, have you got the problem? | 15:31 |
| bauzas | and possibly different from hypervisor_hosntame | 15:31 |
| bauzas | so we need to rely on service_name | 15:32 |
| bauzas | for the test | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | pafuent? | 15:32 |
| bauzas | meaning that the arg 'host' must be coming from host['service_name'] | 15:32 |
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| bauzas | and not host['hypervisor_hostname'] | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | well, I guess that's it here | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | some other things? | 15:33 |
| bauzas | so I was proposing to store it in DB | 15:33 |
| bauzas | because we already obtain it when inventoring the host | 15:33 |
| * DinaBelova feeling bad because of catching a cold, please let's end this meeting :) | 15:33 | |
| bauzas | that's only a value we don't take | 15:33 |
| pafuent | I'm a little lost, I need to read this carefully | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | folks, I'm going to die right now, let's continue this discussion in our channel | 15:34 |
| scroiset_ | just a quick work about notificaiton ... | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | scroiset_? | 15:34 |
| scroiset_ | I'reviewed it | 15:34 |
| bauzas | https://github.com/stackforge/climate/blob/master/climate/plugins/oshosts/reservation_pool.py#L194 | 15:34 |
| bauzas | I have to go in 5 mins anyway | 15:34 |
| scroiset_ | need a rebase and some words to document it but seems good :) | 15:34 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: if you feel bad, give me the chair | 15:35 |
| bauzas | and go sleeping :-) | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | well, several minutes I'll be ok) | 15:35 |
| bauzas | your health is much more important than our meeting :) | 15:35 |
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| pafuent | +1 | 15:35 |
| cmart | agree | 15:35 |
| scroiset_ | +1 | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | well, as for the notifications, let's rebase it and review :) | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | and as for the pafuent 's bug -> continue in our channel | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | everyone ok with it? | 15:36 |
| pafuent | Yes | 15:36 |
| cmart | yes | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | cool, thanks) | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | bye! | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 4 15:36:37 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-04-04-15.01.html | 15:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-04-04-15.01.txt | 15:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-04-04-15.01.log.html | 15:36 |
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| vishy | hi everyone | 16:03 |
| vishy | on a train so my connection may lag | 16:03 |
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| vishy | is anyone here for hierarchical multitenancy? | 16:03 |
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| raildo | i'm here | 16:04 |
| vishy | #startmeeting Hierarchical Multitenancy | 16:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 4 16:05:20 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Hierarchical Multitenancy)" | 16:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:05 |
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| vishy | has anyone looked at wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy | 16:06 |
| vishy | ? | 16:06 |
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| vishy | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy | 16:06 |
| raildo | vishy: I read this week | 16:07 |
| vishy | any comments or changes? | 16:07 |
| raildo | vishy: about it "Roles will be inherited down the project hierarchy tree" I was wondering how is the implementation of the inherited roles in poc. Is there anyone implementing? | 16:07 |
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| raildo | in "Keystone Changes" | 16:07 |
| vishy | raildo: hmm i thought that it was done in the keystone patch | 16:08 |
| vishy | let me look | 16:08 |
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| raildo | ok | 16:09 |
| vishy | ah no i was wrong | 16:09 |
| vishy | it appears no one has implemented that in the poc | 16:09 |
| raildo | vishy: I was interested in implementing | 16:10 |
| vishy | if you want to take tellesnobrega’s code and add in role inheritance it doesn’t look too hard | 16:10 |
| raildo | I was reading and thinking about the design of the solution and was with out a doubt. | 16:11 |
| vishy | you could also add in passing both hierarchical_ids and hierarchical_names and separate with ascii 0x30 if you want | 16:11 |
| raildo | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mYLb_goIVK3VKrITqyKLGHTh7t_UEjgZTBx-QTz__Mc/edit?usp=sharing | 16:11 |
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| raildo | If you can have a look, summarizing my question is that it should will be automatic inheritance of all the roles of a parent project, or if the user will choose which roles are inherited. | 16:13 |
| vishy | raildo: that makes sense | 16:13 |
| vishy | having an optional inherited flag | 16:13 |
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| vishy | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mYLb_goIVK3VKrITqyKLGHTh7t_UEjgZTBx-QTz__Mc/edit?usp=sharing | 16:14 |
| raildo | vishy: Then the user must add the roles that are inherited, right? | 16:14 |
| vishy | #info raildo suggests an inherited flag for roles which would control whether the role is inherited down the tree. | 16:15 |
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| vishy | added a note to the wiki | 16:16 |
| raildo | ok | 16:16 |
| raildo | vishy: I'll start with the implementation and hope to have something done for next week. =] | 16:16 |
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| vishy | #action raildo to implement inherited roles in the poc | 16:17 |
| vishy | #topic design summit | 16:17 |
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| vishy | I proposed a session for cross project implementations | 16:17 |
| vishy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/219 | 16:17 |
| vishy | there are also two other related sessions | 16:17 |
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| raildo | sounds good to me | 16:18 |
| vishy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/62 | 16:18 |
| vishy | which is for keystone | 16:18 |
| vishy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/58 | 16:18 |
| vishy | for nova (about domains) | 16:18 |
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| vishy | i also made some notes on there linking them to each other | 16:19 |
| vishy | the domain one might end up spending time on hierarchical projects as well | 16:19 |
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| vishy | depending on the consensus about whether projects other than keystone should know about domains | 16:19 |
| vishy | raildo: i like your suggestion about non-inheritance | 16:20 |
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| vishy | i’m thinking specifically about a role like CloudAdmin | 16:20 |
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| vishy | I could potentially see situations where the CloudAdmin could do special things that aren’t about a given resource | 16:20 |
| vishy | or a resource that isn’t tenant specific like create shared provider networks in neutron | 16:21 |
| vishy | so for safety reasons it might be good to have CloudAdmin not inherit down the tree | 16:21 |
| raildo | +1 | 16:22 |
| vishy | where as a general capability like a role for attach_floating_ip | 16:22 |
| vishy | you would probably want that to inherit | 16:22 |
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| vishy | ok good | 16:23 |
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| vishy | anything else? | 16:23 |
| raildo | I believe that if a CloudAdmin will make any changes to a project, simply add a new role as a ProjectAdmin | 16:23 |
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| raildo | for me, it's done | 16:24 |
| vishy | ok | 16:26 |
| vishy | #endmeeting | 16:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 4 16:26:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:26 |
| vishy | thanks raildo | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-04-04-16.05.html | 16:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-04-04-16.05.txt | 16:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-04-04-16.05.log.html | 16:26 |
| raildo | thanks vishy | 16:26 |
| raildo | bye | 16:26 |
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