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| fungi | storyboard meeting's supposed to be in here, right? | 15:01 |
| fungi | or was it not moving to 15:00 utc mondays until next week? | 15:02 |
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| jeblair | my calendar says it is now, but in this room and meeting-3 | 15:02 |
| fungi | oh | 15:02 |
| jeblair | then next week and thereafter it is only in meeting-3 | 15:02 |
| jeblair | that makes me think we should have it in meeting-3 :) | 15:02 |
| ttx | yes it is | 15:04 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 31 16:00:06 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| enykeev | hey! | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hello everyone | 16:00 |
| manask | hi | 16:00 |
| facundom_ | hello | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's begin | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, does anyone have a link to the previous meeting minutes? | 16:03 |
| igormarnat_ | o/ | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | I missed it so I don't know if you captured any AI | 16:04 |
| dzimine | hi Renat, yet and it's all posted on mistral wiki | 16:04 |
| enykeev | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-03-24-16.03.html | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:04 |
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| aignatov | o/ | 16:04 |
| dzimine | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-03-24-16.03.html | 16:04 |
| joel_c | . | 16:04 |
| dzimine | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-03-24-16.03.log.html | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | hi Dmitri | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:05 |
| dzimine | sorry I'm late but good to have you back! | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks ) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 1. (all) review and discuss Kirill's stub on MistralTaskflow prototype https://github.com/enykeev/mistral/pull/1 | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | what's on this one? | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I saw an email from you today about that but didn't review fully review it yet | 16:06 |
| dzimine | it it pretty big :) | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | may be you guys had a chance to look at it | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:06 |
| dzimine | I did review it in details, and discussed briefly with Kirill, | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | so this one is in progress I would say, right? | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | ok, | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | what's the brief feedback? | 16:07 |
| manask | i've also taken a look | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:07 |
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| dzimine | the next step on this is to summarize the learnings (Kirill had started) and define next steps if any. | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | it's pretty important thing for us, I would encourage everyone to look at it | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:07 |
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| dzimine | +1, and ask Kirill questions (right in the pull request) | 16:07 |
| dzimine | I would sum it up as: 1) TaskFlow can be used | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | really? :) | 16:08 |
| dzimine | 2) there are few things to make it work inside web servcie | 16:08 |
| dzimine | and 3) quite a few features to add to it as a library. | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | what about that passive model that we have now? | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | is it possible to do using taskflow now? | 16:09 |
| dzimine | passive is one of the things to ask and change. | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | does Josh agree to do that? | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | or is it still the thing to discuss with him? | 16:10 |
| dzimine | we didn't sum up the results yet (or Kirill might have overnight I haven't seen it) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:11 |
| dzimine | we began the discussion on the mailing list; now with the prototype we can have it more concrete. | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | awesome | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | so what's the plan? | 16:12 |
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| enykeev | no, there is quite a few things to add, but i want to hear your feedback first to make sure i didn't miss something important on our side | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | as far as I understand once Kirill finishes that up we need to start a ML discussion and get Josh included? Right | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ? | 16:12 |
| dzimine | re Taskflow? 0) collect your feedback 1) do the summary 2) open discussion on mailing list 3) potentially ask Joshua help with next steps. | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | enykeev, I agree, we first need to research what you did carefully, I'll be able to do that tomorrow, at least mostly | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | so, let me keep this AI then | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | #action (all) review and discuss Kirill's stub on MistralTaskflow prototype https://github.com/enykeev/mistral/pull/1 | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. (dzimine): plan to sum up the learning from the prototype for discussion on TaskFlow integration | 16:14 |
| gokrokve_ | For Taskflow, I suggest you to participate in cross-project sessions and discuss Mistral as a part of the whole OpenStack ecosystem. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I think this is pretty much the same | 16:14 |
| gokrokve_ | Such sessions will be a part of Atlanta summit. | 16:15 |
| gokrokve_ | Sure. I know that Solum might be interested in Mistral too. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | gokrokve_, what exact project would you suggest? Except taskflow, of course | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | projects | 16:15 |
| gokrokve_ | Solum, Heat. They expressed their interest on last summit. | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | how about Climate and Fuel? | 16:16 |
| gokrokve_ | Sure. | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | Fuel action already has it on their Roadmap afaik | 16:16 |
| gokrokve_ | That is good. | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I know Dina was interested in it but she didn't express enough readiness to use it before it gets incubated ) | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | so, the 3rd AI | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | 3. (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | tnurlygayanov, did you have a chance to start this work? | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | however, it might have been challenging I know since not all the changes were merged in | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok, looks like he's not here | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I'll keep this AI | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | #action (tnurlygayanov) plan to write new tempest tests with execution of the real workflows | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | guys, let's tell everyone's current status first | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | nmakhotkin? | 16:21 |
| NikolayM | I've finished work with trust | 16:22 |
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| NikolayM | also today do some fix due to changing keystone client | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:23 |
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| enykeev | polished the prototype for the whole week, tried to summarize the learnings | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | enykeev, just to clarify | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | does the codebase of the prototype correspond to the etherpad? | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | mistral-taskflo-prototype? | 16:24 |
| enykeev | mostly | 16:24 |
| dzimine | Timur: we didn't get any response from you guys on ci-murano failures | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I mean it would be cool to have a short list of bullet points with what it covers | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | it'd be easier to review | 16:25 |
| enykeev | no transitions and workers | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, yeah, sorry for that. I let Timur know about it, he was busy all day today | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | dzimine, actually I confused it a little bit | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | Timur looked at it | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | the thing is that our scripts changed in the patch that Winson sent, that is a reason why CI fails | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | so I would suggest we review it first (with -1 from murano-ci) and the if it's ok we'll fix murano-ci accordingly | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | to get +1 from it | 16:27 |
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| ruhe | rakhmerov: (sorry for interruption) wouldn't it be awesome to run all the Mistral tests in devstack gate? | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | it would :) | 16:29 |
| ruhe | and you have it in your roadmap? :) | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | I believe Timur did already start looking at it | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, it was a part of our plan | 16:29 |
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| ruhe | rakhmerov: we have basic devstack scripts and tempest tests for murano. we could help to drive the same for mistral | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | #action Timur, make sure to look at running Mistral tests in devstack gate | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | ruhe, perfect, thanks | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | we'll bug you then with that :) | 16:31 |
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| dzimine | #action review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81941/ ignoring -1 from murano-ci, change it once we give +1 | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | Timur and Sergey already added some basic Tempest tests for Murano, Timur is now working on more advanced ones | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | * ... for Mistral ... | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | ok, my status is really quick: I was absent for a week and a half, today I did a few reviews, had several discussions with team members and processed my inbox | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | is Winson here? | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | looks like he is not | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I saw there's a patch on review from him | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | but didn't look at it yet | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | this patch is pretty interesting btw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81941/ | 16:35 |
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| dzimine | This is the one giving murano-cli -1. I looked at it, it's all right IMO. | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | so the next topic is | 16:37 |
| dzimine | Nicolay was asking for suggestion on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83404/ | 16:37 |
| dzimine | I looked but didn't have any good advice, Renat may be you can help there. | 16:37 |
| dzimine | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83404/2/mistral/engine/data_flow.py | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah, I'm not quite sure I understand the problem though | 16:38 |
| NikolayM | first, we resolve all data in service_spec and in task_spec | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | what do you mean by "resolve all data"? | 16:39 |
| NikolayM | but we need to ignore service.actions.action.output | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | and what method _modify_item() is generally for? | 16:40 |
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| NikolayM | I mean replace expressions on real data from context | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:40 |
| NikolayM | modify_item just for replacing value-expression on the value-data | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I see now | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | so, correct me if I'm wrong, the problem is that we need to be able to validate those expressions but we can't do that until a corresponding action runs? | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | right? | 16:42 |
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| NikolayM | yes :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | it feels like we may need to split this functionality | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | expression evaluation and expression validation | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | somehow | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | in this case we could do it easily | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | probably we should have another method validate in evaluator | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | #action Find a solution for the question asked in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83404/2/mistral/engine/data_flow.py | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's think on that one offline | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic PoC scope and readiness | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | I think we're pretty close (as usually :) ) | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | Manas was able to finish "repeat" property which is very very good | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | it was the main roadblock IMO | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | and Nikolay finished a few important things too | 16:48 |
| dzimine | I recall Nicolay was planning to run POC flow against real OpenStack cluster and see how it goes. Did we try this? | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | trusts and various fixes in Data Flow | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | I saw a patch from Nikolay: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83737/ | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | it is said that it has been tested on a real OpenStack | 16:50 |
| NikolayM | I try to create VM and I did it! | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | it's pretty simple (just creates a VM) | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | yeah :) | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | we need to move on and add more complex scenario with repeater | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | I think we can finish it this week, it seems to be possible to me | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | so I would suggest the following plan | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | 1. This week we actively work on getting PoC scenario work | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. Fix whatever prevents it from working correctly | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | 3. At the next community meeting we discuss what we've done and make a conclusion if we're satisfied with it or not (and suggestions on how to improve it) | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | so next meeting could be completely devoted to PoC scenario | 16:54 |
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| dzimine | so the week is focus on the changes that makes the POC working end-to-end. OK. | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | because I'm personally not sure if it's something that we could really make a show of :) | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | like you Dmitri said before | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | and we may find better ideas on how to improve it | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | we have about 3 minutes left | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | is there anything else guys? | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | dzimine, I'll carefully review ML discussions with Joshua tomorrow (didn't finish it today) and join the conversation | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | looks like you've done a good job on summarizing these models and differences between them (lazy engine etc.) | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's shut the meeting down then | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone for joining | 16:59 |
| enykeev | Thanks! | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | bye-bye | 16:59 |
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| manask | thank! | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 31 16:59:34 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-03-31-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-03-31-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2014/mistral.2014-03-31-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| iron1 | is there an ironic meeting today? | 18:06 |
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| GheRivero | in 1 hour | 18:07 |
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| GheRivero | last weekend was daylight saving time Europe (at least) | 18:08 |
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| iron1 | okay. thanks! | 18:08 |
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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Welcome everyone to the Ironic meeting. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 31 19:00:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Of course the agenda can be found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| devananda | hi everyone! | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| jroll | \o | 19:00 |
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| matty_dubs | o\ | 19:00 |
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| lucasagomes | :) | 19:00 |
| ifarkas | o/ | 19:00 |
| agordeev2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| mrda | \O | 19:00 |
| linggao | o/ | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | welcome all | 19:00 |
| matty_dubs | Ugh, I really have to practice my waving | 19:00 |
| Shrews | ahoy | 19:00 |
| jroll | mrda: bloated head today? | 19:00 |
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| mrda | It appears so | 19:00 |
| jroll | :P | 19:00 |
| mrda | ;) | 19:00 |
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| aburaschi | hi! | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | hah | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | great to see everyone | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | jumpping rignt into things | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | announcements: | 19:01 |
| comstud | o/ | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | RC will be cut tonight? <- that correct devananda | 19:02 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 19:02 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: hopefully | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:02 |
| devananda | we have 3 things still targeted to RC1 | 19:02 |
| devananda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1298529 | 19:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1298529 in ironic "Missing dependencies for third-party driver causes exception traceback" [High,In progress] | 19:02 |
| devananda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1297937 | 19:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1297937 in ironic "Nova ironic driver ignores the "swap" field from flavor" [Critical,In progress] | 19:02 |
| devananda | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1298645 | 19:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1298645 in ironic "translated .po files do not contain any translation text" [High,In progress] | 19:02 |
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| devananda | first one needs some discussion | 19:03 |
| devananda | second one has a patch in flight. any cores should go look at it | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | ahh .po files still seemed empty to me | 19:03 |
| devananda | third one is pending a change to -infra | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | second one, there's a patch upstream | 19:03 |
| lucasagomes | just need review | 19:03 |
| devananda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84191/ | 19:03 |
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| devananda | so | 19:04 |
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| devananda | are there any other serious, release blocking issues | 19:04 |
| devananda | taht folks are aware of and need to be raised today? | 19:04 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, as part of the disk partitioning refactor it's fixing a problem that nowadays we can't have a swap partition >=1024 | 19:04 |
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| devananda | if not, I'll tag as soon as those 3 are closed (or more accurately, I'll notify ttx that we're ready) | 19:04 |
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| lucasagomes | my patches right now is a complete refactor, so it's hard to land in rc1 | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | but I think it worth to make a quick fix for this problem | 19:05 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: yea. I'm looking forward to that fix a lot, but it's too large for my comfort right now | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | in rc1 | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: the parted patches | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | they do work | 19:05 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: how quick / small ? | 19:05 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, few lines, I would replace sfdisk with parted | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | but not encapsulate all that in a class wrapper | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yeah | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: this is the end (start): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83788 | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, or we could land the complete refactor, it fixes a bunch of other problems | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83788 | 19:06 |
| lucasagomes | like getting rid of the swap partition | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | partitioning layout consistency (having root always to be the last) | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | etc.. | 19:07 |
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| devananda | ah, yea | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | I ran a test with it and devtest worked! I have not tested with devstack | 19:07 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: that's fairly important for upgrade compat, no? | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I think so | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: is it needed for the effermal stuff too? | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, ephemeral? | 19:08 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: ephemeral suppor talready landed | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, yeah, it's there already | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | ephemeral :-p | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | ack | 19:08 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: thoughts on proceeding with RC1 and considering that as a back-port if needed? | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Ironic RC1 milestone | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ironic RC1 milestone (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:10 | |
| NobodyCam | setting topic | 19:10 |
| devananda | thanks :) | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, right, so I can try tomorrow to make a quick patch just fixing the swap problem | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | which would be easier to land in rc1 | 19:10 |
| lucasagomes | few lines etc | 19:10 |
| devananda | k | 19:10 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, NobodyCam please give me an action on that | 19:11 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: it's the first time this project has gone through an RC/release/etc, so there's a learning curve for me here | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | #action lucasagomes to add swap fix patch | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yeah :) I think for all of us | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, cheers :) | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:12 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: what ever is in the juno release willneed to be able to handle an upgrade from icehouse | 19:12 |
| devananda | but that aside | 19:12 |
| devananda | i'd rather not hold the RC up if it works well enough | 19:12 |
| devananda | (for some value of "enough") | 19:12 |
| devananda | ok, i'd like to move on if there aren't other pressing release issues? | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | yeah, right I will keep the upgrade thing in mind | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I have never backported anyting for Openstack.. | 19:13 |
| lucasagomes | not from me | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | what headachs are we in for | 19:13 |
| devananda | #topic functional testing | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "functional testing (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:13 | |
| adam_g | NobodyCam, its pretty easy once stable branches are cut | 19:14 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: more like, "what headache am _I_ in for" :) | 19:14 |
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| NobodyCam | ahh :) | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | ok | 19:14 |
| devananda | adam_g, NobodyCam: I think you guys have been doing a lot of the testing side of things | 19:14 |
| devananda | anything to share? | 19:14 |
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| NobodyCam | notice. ironic is working in DEVTEST | 19:14 |
| lucasagomes | yay | 19:15 |
| NobodyCam | just set "EXPORT USE_IRONIC=1" | 19:15 |
| mrda | NobodyCam: woohoo! | 19:15 |
| adam_g | tempest exercise to stress ironic+nova instance deployment is still up for review. once this merges we have a pretty good plan for getting a gate check setup that deploys using devtest and runs the subset of tempest tests we know will pass | 19:15 |
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| NobodyCam | looks like the wiki even got updated | 19:15 |
| devananda | lifeless: hi! I saw an email from you last week that check-tripleo-ironic-seed-precise should be treated as voting now. But then I saw a bunch of failures for inconsequential changes. | 19:15 |
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| adam_g | slightly related--i spent some time over the weekend dusting off the compute driver unit tests and trying to make it easys for ironic devs to run them | 19:16 |
| devananda | lifeless: can you clarify that? | 19:16 |
| devananda | adam_g: awesome. have a link to the review(s)? | 19:16 |
| adam_g | functional tempest scenario test @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/81958/ | 19:16 |
| adam_g | unit test stuff @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84033/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84043/ | 19:17 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I think this patch got ci working: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/83906/ | 19:17 |
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| adam_g | i'd like to work with infra on getting those tests into the ironic CI pipeline, and possibly nova's as well | 19:18 |
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| devananda | adam_g: good stuff. I'll take a look after the meeting | 19:18 |
| lifeless | devananda: right now tripleo-ci is down entirely, controller node (still a spof) died | 19:19 |
| devananda | lifeless: yuck. thanks for the update | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | any one have any update on: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/jjWcLDThTK | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | bad paste | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | Status of Fedora on devstack with Ironic | 19:20 |
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| matty_dubs | NobodyCam: Is someone actively working on that, do you know? | 19:21 |
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| matty_dubs | Or, for that matter, is it broken? | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | matty_dubs, I think Dmitry from red hat is working on that | 19:21 |
| lucasagomes | and also devtest | 19:22 |
| ifarkas | NobodyCam, no update from me, I was testing devtest recently | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | idk much the details tho | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | adam_g: you had a issue this morning where compute_driver did not get set correctly? | 19:23 |
| lifeless | devananda: right now we're nearly back up | 19:23 |
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| lifeless | devananda: but nova-baremetal on the undercloud isn't deploying anymore, which is a bit of a problem | 19:23 |
| lifeless | devananda: since we can't deploy the testenv machines | 19:23 |
| devananda | lifeless: erm... | 19:23 |
| adam_g | NobodyCam, yes--a bady change got merged to devstack that broke config. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84209/ should fix that | 19:23 |
| devananda | :( | 19:23 |
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| NobodyCam | #liink https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84209 | 19:24 |
| devananda | yea, devstack is broken at the moment because it is setting the wrong virt_driver | 19:24 |
| NobodyCam | adam_g: ack.. will keep an eye on it | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | any thing else on testing? | 19:25 |
| devananda | not from me | 19:25 |
| devananda | wow, we might get > half the meeting for open discussion :) | 19:25 |
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| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:25 |
| Shrews | NobodyCam: #liink ? ;) | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Food for Thought / Open Discussion | 19:26 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Food for Thought / Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:26 | |
| devananda | heh | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | Shrews: fir? | 19:26 |
| Shrews | NobodyCam: you're previous msg | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | heh if anyone has a topic maybe we should talk a bit about the moving the credentials in Ironic to another service? | 19:26 |
| Shrews | s/you're/your/ | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | idk if you guys saw the maillist (will get the link) | 19:27 |
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| devananda | I see 3 things on the agenda for open discussion | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | but there's please of options | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | Shrews: ahh ... tags the link for the parse bot | 19:27 |
| devananda | anyone here to talk about third party CI ? | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | s/please/plenty* | 19:27 |
| vkozhukalov | I have a question about organizing common parts of code in ironic and ironic-python-agent | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: not that I have seen | 19:27 |
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| devananda | vkozhukalov: yea, i think taht would be good | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | vkozhukalov, +1!!! | 19:28 |
| vkozhukalov | are there any thought what is the best way to do that | 19:28 |
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| devananda | jroll, JayF: ^ ? | 19:28 |
| jroll | hi | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | my only idea until now is having an ironic-common repository | 19:28 |
| jroll | ^ | 19:28 |
| jroll | same for me | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | are we going to need someting like a Ironic-common repo? | 19:28 |
| JayF | Well my first reaction is to tread lightly, because the agent is small and lightweight whereas that's not particularly a goal for ironic | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | for things that are really ironic-only | 19:28 |
| devananda | so, then we're basically doing what oslo-incubator does | 19:28 |
| devananda | and we should just use oslo-incubator | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, well, unless it only ironic related | 19:29 |
| jroll | devananda: right, my other thought was upstreaming things there | 19:29 |
| jroll | but yes, there's ironic-only things | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, for e.g, having the common/states.py in a common repo is beneficial | 19:29 |
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| lucasagomes | since the client/agent/ironic uses it | 19:29 |
| comstud | oslo.ironic | 19:29 |
| comstud | heh | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | heh :P | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84209 | 19:29 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:29 |
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| devananda | so using a common repo like that | 19:30 |
| devananda | could, depending on how much we refactor, lead toa testing nightmare | 19:30 |
| devananda | eg, if a change in ironic and ironic-common are interdependent | 19:30 |
| jroll | hmm, yeah | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | :/ yeah indeed, the cross-project dependency thing is complicated | 19:31 |
| devananda | are we confident that all the shared things are behind good, stable APIs alraedy? | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | project repos* | 19:31 |
| devananda | (I'm not) | 19:31 |
| vkozhukalov | are we going to merge ironic and ironic-python-agent in the future? (i mean put them at the same repo) | 19:31 |
| jroll | devananda: no, I'm not | 19:31 |
| jroll | vkozhukalov: absolutely not | 19:31 |
| jroll | vkozhukalov: imagine how large the ramdisk would be | 19:31 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: I don't see the benefit to that. if you do, please elaborate | 19:31 |
| lucasagomes | vkozhukalov, I don't think so | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: I can make that claim at this point | 19:31 |
| NobodyCam | (are behind good, stable APIs alraedy) | 19:32 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, got it, im just wondering | 19:32 |
| jroll | as I see it, if the agent imports anything from ironic, we'll have to install all of the dependencies for ironic | 19:32 |
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| devananda | jroll: right. that's a concern. if we "apt-get install ironic" it's going to pull in all the project's deps, too | 19:33 |
| devananda | which is bad | 19:33 |
| devananda | for the ramdisk | 19:33 |
| jroll | right | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: + | 19:33 |
| devananda | and eventually we do want the ramdisk to be buildable from packages | 19:33 |
| devananda | not just source :) | 19:33 |
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| devananda | (just being devil's advocate) what about moving some common things into the cleint? | 19:34 |
| devananda | comstud: is there precedent for a server project requiring its own client? | 19:34 |
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| JayF | fwiw; I have a bp open for diskimage-builder to allow the addition of coreos+container as a target ramdisk https://blueprints.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+spec/coreos-support-via-containers | 19:34 |
| comstud | devananda: Not that I know of | 19:34 |
| comstud | nova did at one point long ago in the past | 19:34 |
| comstud | for the old pre-cells (zones) code | 19:34 |
| JayF | this is how we will be running the agent in our deployment, and I'm willing to integrate it with diskimage-builder should the triple-o guys be willing to accept it | 19:34 |
| devananda | JayF: neat! I think that's silly, but I understand your interest in it | 19:35 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: they are not client parts (disk partitioning for example) | 19:35 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: indeed... | 19:35 |
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| devananda | comstud: yea. what does nova / novaclient do for shared info, such as state strings? | 19:35 |
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| comstud | they don't share code right now | 19:35 |
| devananda | comstud: duplicate then? | 19:36 |
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| jroll | it's not clear to me how much code will be shared, by the way | 19:36 |
| jroll | or how often it will change | 19:36 |
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| jroll | e.g. states enums | 19:36 |
| comstud | devananda: I don't think novaclient does much with them other than display them as-is | 19:36 |
| devananda | jroll: nor I. states are the only thing shared with the client right now afair | 19:36 |
| comstud | so there's really not a lot to share there | 19:36 |
| jroll | I would *like* to share code, but not if it's a ton of work | 19:36 |
| devananda | comstud: ack | 19:36 |
| devananda | jroll: it may be more complexity than its worth. | 19:37 |
| jroll | yes, that's a better way to put it :) | 19:37 |
| vkozhukalov | jroll: not very much but actually as far as ironic conductor does the same things as agent does those parts will be common | 19:37 |
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| devananda | considering we dont need the PXE driver's partitioning to support the agent's partitioning | 19:37 |
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| devananda | so the code is there, and it would be /nice/ if it was shared, but I dont see it as a functional requirement | 19:37 |
| jroll | vkozhukalov: what kind of common things are you imagining | 19:37 |
| mrda | One small point is that the client would then inherit the release cadence of ironic itself. i.e. follow string freeze timeline etc | 19:37 |
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| jroll | devananda: +1 | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 | 19:38 |
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| vkozhukalov | jroll: at the moment disk partitioning, software raids, lvm etc. | 19:38 |
| jroll | mrda: mmm. | 19:38 |
| devananda | mrda: hm? I dont see that yet. | 19:39 |
| devananda | mrda: but it's not something I actually think we should do -- was just tossing it out there | 19:39 |
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| vkozhukalov | devananda: im working on those parts right now | 19:39 |
| mrda | if ironic depends upon the client, then to stabalise ironic, we first need to do likewise to the client | 19:39 |
| mrda | devananda: sure, I understand it's just a proposal | 19:40 |
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| mrda | but it's a logical consequence | 19:40 |
| devananda | mrda: ahhh. yes. I see | 19:40 |
| devananda | mrda: and that's a very good reason not to do that :) | 19:40 |
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| jroll | so, my vote: let's put it off for now. if we start to see a large amount of code duplication between agent and ironic, we'll revisit. | 19:40 |
| mrda | (sorry if I'm sounding vague, it's early morning here and I'm pre-coffee) | 19:40 |
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| NobodyCam | jroll: I would +1 that | 19:41 |
| matty_dubs | jroll++ | 19:41 |
| JayF | ++ | 19:41 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: "software raid, lvm etc" -- how would these be shared? PXE driver can't do this | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | jroll, sounds reasonable :) +1 | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | I supect it will end up with just the states file | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | but lets see | 19:41 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: management of >1 disk needs to be done via ironic-python-agent, not over iSCSI connection | 19:42 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: maybe it will do that in the future | 19:42 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: so actually, even the disk partitioning code that's in PXE (or proposed) will be far outgrown bythe capabilities in IPA | 19:42 |
| vkozhukalov | devananda: i see | 19:42 |
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| matty_dubs | Sorry, what is IPA? | 19:43 |
| JoshNang | Ironic Python Agent | 19:43 |
| matty_dubs | Thanks. | 19:43 |
| matty_dubs | I'm apparently bad at picking up on acronyms. | 19:43 |
| JayF | I see a day where the PXE driver is superseded by the agent being more likely than the PXE driver and IPA sharing a large quantity of code. | 19:43 |
| JoshNang | or tasty beer, whichever you prefer | 19:43 |
| devananda | I believe we should be aiming, in the mid-to-long term, to deprecate the current diskimagebuilder's deploy ramdisk | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: >1 disk needs to be done via ironic-python-agent, only?what about vender-pass thru for bms that can handle setting raids and such | 19:43 |
| devananda | it's very rudimentary | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | s/bms/bmc's/ | 19:43 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: no, those are fine. which is why we need an abstraction layer (API) above partitioning. IOW, we need a driver interface for it. | 19:44 |
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| NobodyCam | ack :) | 19:44 |
| devananda | my point is, the current deploy ramdisk can't do those things -- and teh functionailty that we rely on today (initrd exposes /dev/sda over iSCSI) | 19:44 |
| devananda | will never be able to support | 19:44 |
| JayF | The agent itself doesn't do partitioning right now at all. It just assumes partitions are baked into whatever raw image it's writing | 19:44 |
| devananda | most of the disk-related functionality that we want to add | 19:44 |
| devananda | so | 19:44 |
| JayF | so it's completely undone in any driver atm | 19:44 |
| vkozhukalov | ok, let's keep them independent then as jroll suggested | 19:45 |
| devananda | the agent won't share (much) code with the (current) PXE driver anyway | 19:45 |
| devananda | it may fork lucasagomes' Partitioning patch series | 19:45 |
| devananda | JayF: how do you guys feel about keeping those in sync for a little while? | 19:45 |
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| NobodyCam | the current deploy ramdisk is VERY RUDIMENTARY | 19:45 |
| vkozhukalov | hoping to substitute pxe driver low level things with agent | 19:45 |
| devananda | vkozhukalov: right. | 19:45 |
| JayF | I haven't looked closely enough at lucasagomes's patch series to have a strong opinion | 19:46 |
| devananda | JayF: ok, please do. the agent will need to support partitioning | 19:46 |
| JayF | but the ability to partition at all is something that doesn't exist now, that partitioning series of patches does, so I don't forsee a reason to redo it differently | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, right, it should work well stand alone, the only thing that I'm using there from ironic is the common/utils:execute() | 19:46 |
| devananda | JayF: even if initially it's just as rudimentary as what the PXE driver does :) | 19:46 |
| lucasagomes | which is easily replaceable | 19:46 |
| JayF | lucasagomes: if you wanted to integrate them into the agent, we aren't in a feature freeze right now and would review those PRs real quick ;) | 19:47 |
| jroll | devananda: keeping in sync with lucas' stuff? not a problem | 19:47 |
| devananda | jroll: great | 19:47 |
| devananda | all that sounds good to me | 19:47 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, heh ack :) cheers | 19:48 |
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| vkozhukalov | devananda: jroll im going to sent review request about disk partitioning in a couple days (partly based on what lucasagomes did) | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | I want to get more familiar with the agent code, so it might be a good start (gotta find some time to do that tho) | 19:49 |
| jroll | vkozhukalov: cool | 19:49 |
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| JayF | well probably only one of you should do it | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | vkozhukalov, nice, I will review that then :) | 19:49 |
| devananda | any other topics for open discussion? | 19:49 |
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| Shrews | devananda: i have a small one | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | JayF, +1 vkozhukalov is already on that :) | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | is there a list (etherpad) for what need to be done to the drivers / ironic to work with the agent? | 19:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: it's a new driver | 19:50 |
| JayF | JoshNang: do you have a MR up with the existing driver? | 19:50 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: not any changes to existing drivers | 19:50 |
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| NobodyCam | so will end up with duplicated code? | 19:50 |
| JoshNang | JayF: nope. I was working on it and kept hitting the "use all my VMs memory during tests" bug and put it off | 19:50 |
| JayF | It lives right now at https://github.com/rackerlabs/ironic-teeth-driver | 19:51 |
| devananda | jroll: am I correct? IPA will be used by a new driver, not the PXE driver? | 19:51 |
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| jroll | devananda: yes, new driver | 19:51 |
| JayF | and will be submitted as a merge request sometime soon / when Juno opened | 19:51 |
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| JayF | *opens | 19:51 |
| JoshNang | I can probably get it up pretty quickily though. It only needs fairly small changes. | 19:51 |
| devananda | great | 19:51 |
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| NobodyCam | ie disk partitioning | 19:51 |
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| jroll | devananda: https://github.com/rackerlabs/ironic-teeth-driver | 19:51 |
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| devananda | JayF: fwiw, i'm hoping to open juno tmw | 19:51 |
| jroll | \o/ | 19:51 |
| Shrews | Both JoshNang and myself have seen the unit tests randomly fail by taking all up all available memory. I've also seen this happen in Jenkins at least once recently. Speaking with the infra folks, they suspect a race condition b/w tests, as Neutron recently had a similar problem. | 19:51 |
| devananda | fascinating | 19:52 |
| devananda | Shrews: bug # ? | 19:52 |
| JoshNang | Shrews: thanks for looking into that | 19:52 |
| Shrews | devananda: none yet. i can open one | 19:52 |
| devananda | Shrews: please do. and if we see any failures in jenkins, plesae "recheck bug ####" on them so we can track it | 19:53 |
| Shrews | devananda: ack | 19:53 |
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| JayF | JoshNang: ^ maybe it's worth throwing up half-done even with the tests issues to see if they fail similarly in upstream jenkins? | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | Shrews: please post the bug # in channel when you have one ) | 19:53 |
| devananda | i haven't seen that one yet, but it sound painful, considering i don't run unit tests insidd a VM | 19:53 |
| Shrews | it occurs quite often for me, but tracking it down is a chore | 19:53 |
| Shrews | devananda: it seemed to start occuring after i rebuilt my venv (tox -r) | 19:54 |
| devananda | k | 19:54 |
| Shrews | tox -r -epy27, specifically | 19:54 |
| JoshNang | devananda: Shrews: same here, after a rebuild. Though i had it in py26 as well | 19:54 |
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| Shrews | the jenkins failure i saw was py26. i don't have that on my test machine | 19:54 |
| JayF | seems like we should get it reproduced in infra/jenkins, so all the logs are accessible to anyone on the bug/merge request to find | 19:54 |
| Shrews | NobodyCam: ack | 19:54 |
| devananda | JayF: ++ | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | * 5 minute bell* | 19:55 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: did you have something else? | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | not really | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | ah | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | 1 thing | 19:56 |
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| JayF | Would it be useful if I opened up the Vagrantfile we're using for Ironic in our enviornment? It's located in an internal closed repo but could migrate it to an open repo on github if someone found it helpful? | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | for the credential stuff, do you think that we should have a design session slot for that? | 19:56 |
| JayF | Makes it easy to spin up VMs for working on Ironic | 19:56 |
| devananda | JayF: couldn't hurt. I'd just stick it up on github somewhere and link to it from the wiki | 19:56 |
| JayF | Yep. I'll have to extricate it from some other stuff, but I can get it done this week for sure. | 19:57 |
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| NobodyCam | JayF: I am now using tripleO's seed vm for most of my testing | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:57 |
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| jroll | heh | 19:58 |
| jroll | so anything else today? | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | no from me | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | s/no/not/ | 19:58 |
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| devananda | ok then | 19:59 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | well I will submit a design session talk about the v3 credential stuff, so we can approve/reject later as things goes | 19:59 |
| jroll | thank you! | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | great meeting everyone ... Thank you | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | thanks everybody | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:59 |
| vkozhukalov | thnx | 19:59 |
| JoshNang | woo! | 19:59 |
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| ifarkas | thanks! | 19:59 |
| mrda | thanks! | 19:59 |
| matty_dubs | lucasagomes: Sounds good | 19:59 |
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| matty_dubs | See ya folks. | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 31 19:59:59 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-03-31-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-03-31-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2014/ironic.2014-03-31-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| NobodyCam | so close 19:59:59 :-p | 20:00 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 21:00 |
| arosen1 | hiya! | 21:00 |
| mestery | hi! | 21:00 |
| emagana | hello | 21:00 |
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| SumitNaiksatam | hi all! | 21:00 |
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| banix | hi everybody | 21:00 |
| dkehn_ | hi | 21:00 |
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| pcm_ | hi | 21:00 |
| Swami | hi all | 21:01 |
| lukego | Hoi | 21:01 |
| fawadkhaliq | hi all! | 21:01 |
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| edhall | 'lo | 21:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | hello | 21:01 |
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| Sukhdev | Hi | 21:02 |
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| phil_h | hi | 21:03 |
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| rkukura | hi | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | armax, amotoki, garyk, salv-mobile: ping | 21:03 |
| salv-orlando | aloha folks | 21:03 |
| salv-orlando | not mobile anymore | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:03 |
| salv-orlando | I bothered to drag myself from the couch to the desk | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 31 21:03:35 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | RC1 will cut following this commit: https://review.openstack.org/83762 | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | once that merges we will cut the RC | 21:04 |
| mestery | Yay for Icehouse RC1! | 21:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | did the security group issue make it into rc1? | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | we'll probably wait 1-2 days before opening the tree for Juno | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: yes it made Nova's cut | 21:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | woohoo, thanks. | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | the delay in opening the tree will making backporting any possible bugs easier | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | If you find any bugs please tag them with icehouse-rc-potential | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | if they are critical/high please contact me, so that I can make sure they are tracked if we spin an RC2 | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | Currently right now we are not tracking any critical bugs | 21:07 |
| mestery | I'm currently investigating this one brought to my attention by the tripleo folks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1290486 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1290486 in tripleo "neutron-openvswitch-agent must be restarted after ovsdb-server failure in order to pass traffic" [Critical,In progress] | 21:07 |
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| mestery | I marked it High for now until I've done some more research, FYI. | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | I've tagged that bug so that it shows up in the tracking lists | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs the team should discuss? | 21:08 |
| mestery | Thanks markmcclain! | 21:08 |
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| rkukura | markmcclain: The ml2 port binding bug fix is ready for review, and I think is rc-potential | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | idk, it's weird it's been a few days that nobody pinged us with neutron fails in gate | 21:09 |
| rkukura | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82945/ | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | +277, -169. wow. How critical is that? | 21:09 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: They pinged in channel over the weekend :() | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: all the stability work this cycle is finally starting to payoff | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | seems not (read what mestery wrote) | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | mestery: for a gate failure or just a question? | 21:09 |
| mestery | markmcclain: For the bug I mentioned, they asked for help Sunday. | 21:10 |
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| salv-orlando | how is that blocking the upstream gate? | 21:10 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: They didn't say, just that it was blocking their tripleo work. | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | ok mestery… you scared me for a bit ; | 21:11 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: ;) | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | but yes, we should make sure we look at this. If it happens on ovsdb-server failures it's not a tripleo problem only | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | mestery: ah the bug report didn't seem to indicate that it was a gate bug | 21:11 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: Exactly. | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: am concerned about the size of the patch given for the RC phase | 21:12 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Not a gate bug, but a testing bug for them somehow, with long-lived tests or cases where (for some reason) Neutron comes up before OVSDB. | 21:12 |
| hemanthravi | I have a bug fix for oneconvergence plugin https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1299946, can this be merged for icehouse-rc1 | 21:12 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1299946 in neutron "OneConvergence plugin create_network fails for external networks" [Medium,In progress] | 21:12 |
| rkukura | markmcclain: Its been simplified a bit | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | mestery: right long lived bugs are important too | 21:12 |
| mestery | markmcclain: I should know how big the fix will be by tomorrow, I'll keep you posted as soon as I find out. | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | hemanthravi: I've tagged the bug as rc potential | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: understood | 21:13 |
| hemanthravi | markmcclain, thanks | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs to discuss? | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:14 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:14 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: Hi there! | 21:14 |
| emagana | no much to report this week. I few bugs were fixed | 21:14 |
| anteaya | tripleo is not part of the integrated gate | 21:15 |
| emagana | the work on the RedHat side made a good progress | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: hi | 21:15 |
| emagana | also a good progress on the docs changes | 21:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i got neutron/ml2 working with rdo packages this weekend, which means we can make progress on adding ml2 to the install guide | 21:16 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am has been making a great progress! | 21:16 |
| mestery | Sam-I-Am: Cool! | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | emagana: good to hear | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: good news | 21:16 |
| emagana | Big Kudos to Sam-I-Am | 21:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | turns out its a rhel-specific problem with mysql 5.1 defaulting to myisam instead of innodb. myisam and utf-8 do not get along well. | 21:17 |
| emagana | Will continue updating the Wiki and chasing developers who hasn't pushed their commits (including myself) :-) | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: so true | 21:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | caused all sorts of foreign key referential integrity and length problems | 21:17 |
| banix | are Sam-I-Am and myisam related? :) | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | its now fixed in the installation guide. should not affect anything using mysql 5.5 or mariadb | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | banix: lol | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: great | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | Any other doc items? | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | many thinks to steve gordon at redhat for the pow-wow to figure it all out | 21:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks | 21:18 |
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| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: thanks for working on the rhel docs | 21:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | np | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: you listed a few bugs where you needed specific contributors to help | 21:20 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: something else you want to add for the docs? | 21:20 |
| Sukhdev | I had pointed out an issue with the documentation - reported it to emagana | 21:20 |
| emagana | markmcclain: All bugs are assigned so far | 21:20 |
| emagana | but if not, I will chase people :-) | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: nope. just trying to make progress! | 21:20 |
| emagana | Sukhdev: Yes, I have that one in my list.. Thanks! | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | ok great | 21:21 |
| Sukhdev | emagana: cool thanks | 21:21 |
| emagana | markmcclain: nothing else! | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | emagana: Thanks for the update! | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Nova Parity | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | #info obondarev has agreed to led the nova-net to Neutron migration work | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | One of the bigger items for parity is nova-net to neutron migration | 21:22 |
| edhall | yes! | 21:22 |
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| emagana | yeah.. go for it obondarev | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | Oleg has agreed to step up and lead the effort to work on the migration design for Juno | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | this is a big task, so you're interested in contributing, please reach out to Oleg | 21:23 |
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| markmcclain | Big thank you to Oleg | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:24 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: looks like we're getting close to enabling the full job | 21:25 |
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| salv-orlando | we'll enable it once RC-2 is cut | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | you're not optimistic RC1 is enough? :) | 21:25 |
| * markmcclain expects an RC2 | 21:25 | |
| salv-orlando | It never has been | 21:25 |
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| salv-orlando | I'm optmistic in not expecting a RC3 | 21:26 |
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| emagana | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:26 |
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| markmcclain | yeah I'm hoping the extra testing efforts will mean we won't need an RC3 this cycle | 21:26 |
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| markmcclain | #info Full tempest job be enabled following Icehouse rc2 | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: anything report the other tempest work? | 21:27 |
| rossella_s | markmcclain: regarding the full job I just wanted to mention sdague put me in contact with the infra team, he suggested to create a background job using the existing infrastructure to be able to gather data for the neutron full job. jeblair was so kind to write this patch https://review.openstack.org/83610 | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | we have merged 17 api patchsets in icehouse | 21:28 |
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| mlavalle | we have another 10 to go. During last Tempest meeting I made the team aware that we want to merge them all | 21:28 |
| mlavalle | they are redy to support us | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | rossella_s: is that for baseline measure? | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | rossella_s: perfect | 21:29 |
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| rossella_s | salv-orlando: yes, it's to integrate a background job in zuul | 21:29 |
| mlavalle | Last week there were 5 abandoned patchsets….. 2 were restored by their original authors after contact from me | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: we've made good progress considering we have 30+ two weeks ago | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: glad that we're able to restore that work and get it include | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | 1 was restored by me after original author said he doesn't have time anymore | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | oh thanks for picking that one up | 21:30 |
| mlavalle | and I will restore the other 2 this week. If they don't respond to my contact, I assume we are free to restore those patchsets | 21:30 |
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| anteaya | mlavalle: ask in infra if the original author won't restore | 21:31 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 21:31 |
| HenryG | mlavalle: I can help picking up patches if needed | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks for helping to revive the remaining few | 21:31 |
| mlavalle | HenryG: perfect, I'll assign 1 or 2 to you | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | HenryG: thanks for volunteering | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | Any other tempest items? | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 21:32 |
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| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks for the update | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | #topic L3 | 21:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:32 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Neutron-L3-Subteam | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: looks like you've added several new items | 21:32 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle HenryG: I have two tests - written up, but, was asked to pull out - shall I pass those to you? | 21:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | markmcclain: A few, yes. | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | Just a few to highlight. First, good progress on DVR. There is WIP code posted for L3 changes. | 21:33 |
| mlavalle | Suhkdev: Yes, point me to the and will pick up from there | 21:33 |
| carl_baldwin | And design documents are still up for review. | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: WIP cool | 21:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Reports are that L2 is progressing well too. | 21:34 |
| Sukhdev | mlavalle: will do - thanks | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | right I've read through them once and had targeted another read through this week | 21:34 |
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| Swami | markmcclain: thanks | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: good to hear since DVR work is also critical to Nova parity | 21:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes. | 21:34 |
| carl_baldwin | We've had some discussions about dynamic routing use cases. | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/DynamicRoutingUseCases | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | I invite feedback and comments. | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | thanks for writing this up | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | will help to focus discussion since dynamic routing can encompass many different things | 21:35 |
| carl_baldwin | Right, that is the idea. | 21:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | There is also an implementation of a root wrap agent in review. Check the sub team page for a link. | 21:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that is all I have this week. | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | carl_baldwin: thanks for the update | 21:37 |
| carl_baldwin | yw | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | Looks like the other reports on the agenda are leftovers from prior weeks | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | So I wanted to discuss summit design sessions and Juno blueprints | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Design Summit | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://summit.openstack.org | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | The deadline to submit design summit sessions is April 20th | 21:39 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: To propose a session, which is the minimum requirement? | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | so barely under 3 weeks left to submit | 21:39 |
| Sukhdev | s/which/what | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | Sukhdev: the minimum to submit a session is to propose on the website | 21:40 |
| Sukhdev | markmcclain: no need to submit any supporting documentation? | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | support documentation is basically a must | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | because our track is typically oversubscribed by 3-4x | 21:41 |
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| Sukhdev | markmcclain: got it - thanks | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | sessions without blueprints are not likely to get selected for sessions | 21:41 |
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| marun | sessions -> sessions proposing features | 21:42 |
| kanzhe | markmcclain: What is the process to determine which proposal gets a session in the summit? | 21:42 |
| emagana | markmcclain: I saw nova team using gerrit to decide about summit sessions, are you planning the same? | 21:42 |
| lukego | me and my colleagues are working on supporting 40+ Gbps per compute node NFV workloads over Virtio-net. working out-of-tree but hoping to join the fold in Juno. I don't know if that general theme would be a good topic for a design session? | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | marun: Even sessions that don't propose feature should ideally have an etherpad with supporting info | 21:43 |
| mestery | lukego: I'd be interested in taliking that, though it may cross a few different boundaries. | 21:43 |
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| anteaya | emagana: link? | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | kanzhe: the ptl and core team work produce a schedule for the summit | 21:43 |
| marun | markmcclain: gotcha on the etherpad. the talk of blueprints was confusing me | 21:43 |
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| markmcclain | Remember it is not first to file, so we may combine presenters and sessions | 21:44 |
| emagana | anteaya: let me find the email thread | 21:44 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: they are using gerrit for blueprints which I will get to in a moment | 21:44 |
| anteaya | because programs can't just make up random repos | 21:44 |
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| lukego | mestery: would be very interesting to compare notes with ODL goals in this space | 21:45 |
| mestery | I think emagana was confusing BPs with summit sessions here. :) | 21:45 |
| mestery | lukego: Agreed! | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | lukego: it really all depends where that work is being done | 21:45 |
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| markmcclain | if there are changes to Neutron then it would fit into our track | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | if the changes are elsewhere then unconference time is the best venue | 21:46 |
| emagana | mestery: you are right! My bad! | 21:46 |
| lukego | markmcclain: it's an ml2 mechanism driver with a little incidental extension to Nova to support a feature we added to QEMU | 21:46 |
| emagana | markmcclain, mestery: yes, this is for BPs. :-) | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | as in past we will be allowing folks organizing unconference time a chance to promote their session during gaps between sessions | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | lukego: then that does seem to fit :) | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | Any question on the Summit? | 21:47 |
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| salv-orlando | yes, is the PTL who wil decided which sessions are approved? | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: yes | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | That's one of the duties of the PTL | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | Is there already a rough idea of the criteria for approvals? | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | no need to answer now. But if there were some high level criteria somewhere, people will know whether their idea is suitable for being discussed in a design session | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | but it is foolish to pick the topics in isolation, so typically the PTL works with the core team to select sessions which match up with the work to be completed in the upcoming cycle | 21:49 |
| emagana | markmcclain: +1 | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | I think you just gave probably the most importation criterion | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | "work to be completed" | 21:50 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: is there any advantage on having the same discussion/session that the last summit? | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: correct ideally these should be immediately actionable items that we complete in the next cycle (6mos) | 21:50 |
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| emagana | I already noticed some session "the same ones" that the last time.. we should let new ideas to be express, old staff should NOT be discussed, it SHOULD be implemented! | 21:51 |
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| emagana | s/express/expressed | 21:51 |
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| marun | emagana: +1. we have limited time, so prioritization is key. | 21:52 |
| markmcclain | emagana: it really all depends… sometimes we have to revisit topics because once the implementation started we discovered that there was not consensus among the team | 21:52 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: Understood and a good point! | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | when we revisit topic ideally those sessions should focus in on specific areas that caused the work to continue into another cycle | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | as always I do expect we'll have a few slots for items that might need more than one cycle to develop | 21:53 |
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| markmcclain | The biggest way to help in planning is to file early | 21:55 |
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| markmcclain | it gives the community time to provide feedback on your session ideas | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | #topic Juno Blueprints | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | So I've been fairly quiet about this because I did not want to distract from the Icehouse work | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82512/ | 21:56 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: Nice! This will be great to have! | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | We now have a repo similar in scope to Nova and the QA team | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | in the past we have had blueprints submitted in 6 different formats | 21:57 |
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| * salv-orlando waits for question about diagrams ;) | 21:57 | |
| markmcclain | which has made reviewing and approving them difficult | 21:57 |
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| mestery | salv-orlando: Party pooper. :) | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | I used to do wonderful things with ASCII | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | Using gerrit is a temporary measure until broader tools are built to support the community | 21:58 |
| sc68cal | Having blueprints + design doc in one place also makes devref doc so much easier, rather than tracking down Google docs and hoping they don't disappear | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: +1 | 21:58 |
| emagana | sc68cal: great! | 21:58 |
| fawadkhaliq | sc68cal: +1 | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | Also the new process will enable commenting and tracking of changes easier too | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | sc68cal, markmclcain: correct under the assumption that implementation 100% follows design | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | I'll be sending out an email explaining how the process will work | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | usually not my case | 21:59 |
| mestery | And as salv-orlando says, we'll now get to see who's the best ASCII artist on the team! | 21:59 |
| sc68cal | oh plus asciiflow.com got a huge face lift | 21:59 |
| sc68cal | it's looking pretty spiffy these days - hint hint hint | 21:59 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Nice nice nice! That's a great tool! | 22:00 |
| sc68cal | going to party like it's 1989 | 22:00 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: so diagrams were the first issue that popped in my mind when I first started having discussions with others | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | design docs should be in RST format so that we can use sphinx to generate the docs in different formats | 22:00 |
| anteaya | it is possible to add images in a patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82567/ you just have to download the patch and open them locally | 22:00 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Checkout the link sc68cal shared, this could be our ticket to the diagram problem! | 22:00 |
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| markmcclain | ascii art is one way and RST allows you to link images as well | 22:01 |
| mestery | Cool | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | I personally prefer ascii, but appreciate the RST option | 22:01 |
| * Sam-I-Am chuckles at the thought of ascii art | 22:02 | |
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| sc68cal | looks like RST can accomodate everyone - that's got my vote | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: understood.. .fortunately RST is fairly lightweight markup that is easy within a basic text editor | 22:02 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: +1 | 22:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | does rst translate? | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: RST is good for me. Docbook not. | 22:02 |
| marun | -1 on docbook | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | Sam-I-Am: language translation requires external tools | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | Ok so we're out of time for the week | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | Please be on the lookout for the email on the blueprint workflow | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | I expect this will take a lot of the mystery out of the process and provide both the proposer, community, and core team a clear indication of the status of a blueprint | 22:04 |
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| rkukura | markmcclain: Any template, or other guidlines coming regarding content? | 22:05 |
| mestery | +1 to all of that markmcclain! | 22:05 |
| markmcclain | Thanks to everyone for stopping by this week. Please be on the lookout for RC1 as it should be cut sometime within the next 12ish hours | 22:05 |
| salv-orlando | It's funny how both "mystery" and "mysery" were semantically correct in your sentence, markmcclain | 22:05 |
| markmcclain | rkukura: yes I will include a sample template to add some structure to the docs | 22:05 |
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| markmcclain | Have a good week and talk to everyone on the ML and IRC | 22:06 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 31 22:06:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-03-31-21.03.html | 22:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-03-31-21.03.txt | 22:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2014/networking.2014-03-31-21.03.log.html | 22:06 |
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| rkukura | thanks markmcclain! | 22:06 |
| banix | bye | 22:06 |
| salv-orlando | adieeuuu | 22:07 |
| edhall | bye | 22:07 |
| rkukura | bye | 22:07 |
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| marun | ciao | 22:07 |
| lukego | nighty night | 22:07 |
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