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| cyeoh | #startmeeting nova-api | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 14 00:01:03 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cyeoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| cyeoh | Hi - so is anyone here? | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| ken1ohmichi | hi | 00:01 |
| masayukig | hi o/ | 00:01 |
| changsimon_ | hello | 00:01 |
| mrda | o/ | 00:01 |
| alex_xu | hello | 00:01 |
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| alaski | here, but about to eat so may drop out | 00:01 |
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| cyeoh | alaski: cool - np. | 00:02 |
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| cyeoh | ok so I thought we might have to start with introductions, but I think most people already know everybody else already? | 00:02 |
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| cyeoh | so why don't we start with the v2 on v3 API POC | 00:02 |
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| cyeoh | #topic v2_on_v3_poc | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NovaV2OnV3POC | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | That's where we've been trying to map out what we want done as a POC for Atlanta | 00:03 |
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| cyeoh | I don't think anyone expect that we'll be finished by then but I think we want to be able to say what we're doing for the various cases | 00:03 |
| cyeoh | and be able to get those bits up and running in devstack. Having some rough tempest stuff would be nice too | 00:04 |
| cyeoh | I think there's a couple of important points of what we're aiming for. | 00:04 |
| cyeoh | The first is that 2.1 will be 2.0 but with strong input validation | 00:04 |
| cyeoh | does anyone think that will be an unreasonable restriction to add for V2.1? | 00:05 |
| mrda | I think it's a good thing for us to be doing | 00:05 |
| cyeoh | ok. It does make our life much easier and I have sent an email to the list asking if anyone had problems with it - but no responses. | 00:06 |
| ken1ohmichi | yes, I also agree | 00:06 |
| alex_xu | I agree too | 00:06 |
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| alaski | I think it's very reasonable | 00:06 |
| alaski | even in the keep v2 proposal there was support for validation | 00:06 |
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| cyeoh | ok that sounds good then | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | the second is around the list of extensions we display. | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | since in V3 we have both split extensions (admin_actions) and collapsed a few - because they were just placeholders | 00:07 |
| cyeoh | we don't have a complete 1:1 mapping | 00:07 |
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| cyeoh | so for V2.1 do we need to display the same list of extensions even if we are presenting the same API to users? | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | I think if we really needed to we could fake it, but its custom code that would be nice to avoid having to do. | 00:08 |
| cyeoh | I think along similar lines is if we want to display the same info in /extensions - since we don't have an updated parameter anymore | 00:09 |
| cyeoh | anyone have any thoughts on this? | 00:09 |
| alex_xu | I think yes, the list of extensions are used by user to check some api enabled or not before | 00:09 |
| alex_xu | but how can we emulate enable or disable extension? | 00:10 |
| mrda | perhaps this should be a point for discussion in Atlanta - i.e. we know how we could solve it, but we'd rather focus our efforts on other things. How does that sound? | 00:10 |
| cyeoh | alex_xu: yes that is my concern. There will be some restriction on being able to deploy one extension but not another in cases of collapsing extensions but I think all the cases are manageable | 00:10 |
| cyeoh | mrda: yes given the timeframe that may be the best approach. I think its all fakeable. But we really need feedback from cloud providers and users as to how much pain this will cause | 00:11 |
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| mrda | agreed, as this is a POC it doesn't need to be drop-in-ready by Atlanta :) | 00:12 |
| cyeoh | mrda: heh, no this a cycle's worth of work really ;-) | 00:12 |
| mrda | I guess we can solve it if we have agreement on the approach. I just don't think it's a core problem right now | 00:12 |
| alaski | I think that extensions are going to have to match what v2 offers currently, which is unfortunate | 00:13 |
| alaski | but I agree that it's manageable | 00:13 |
| cyeoh | ok. I'm fine with that approach. | 00:13 |
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| cyeoh | so I've created a holding blueprint for the POC patches https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/v2-on-v3-api | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | please add that to the proof of concept patches which you upload so we can easily find them. I know there are some out there already :-) | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/77105/ | 00:18 |
| ken1ohmichi | I feel most important thing is backward compatibility, so it would be possible to drop some v3 API features for comatibility. I hope avoiding the situation, of course | 00:18 |
| ken1ohmichi | and I do effort for keeping v3 features now:) | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/5754 (alex has a couple too) | 00:18 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: so I think the worst case what we can do is have a plugins/v2/ directory | 00:18 |
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| cyeoh | which loads a v2 specific plugin which proxies to v3 | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | but I think the vast majority of cases will be much simpler and we can do it through decorators | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | we just need a fallback plan where that doesn't work. | 00:18 |
| ken1ohmichi | oh, not so bad:) | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | in general I'd like to keep the simple cases (eg just success code translation/request body translation) solved using very simple solutions | 00:18 |
| ken1ohmichi | but yes, we need to make it simple. | 00:18 |
| alex_xu | I guess, this is the fallback plan https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78906/ | 00:18 |
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| alex_xu | But i agree, we should to try it simple first | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | I think a useful thing to keep in mind when doing this is can we apply these same sort of principles in the future to handle backwards incompatible changes? | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | yes, if you have time please look at some of alex_xu's patches - there are some alternative strategies (with increasing complexity) in different patchsets | 00:18 |
| cyeoh | and I think we should just try to fit the most simple solution on a case by case basis | 00:18 |
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| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: agree, it can keep maintenance cost low | 00:19 |
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| cyeoh | So the the etherpad link tries to keep track of all the different v2 on v3 scenarios we have to handle - if you find another one please add it. | 00:19 |
| cheetah2 | whats the best way to run openstack? | 00:20 |
| cheetah2 | bare metal? | 00:20 |
| cyeoh | is there anything else anyone would like to discuss re: the v2 on v3 POC? | 00:20 |
| cyeoh | cheetah2: I think you want to ask those sorts of questions in the #openstack channel | 00:20 |
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| cheetah2 | oj | 00:27 |
| cheetah2 | ok | 00:27 |
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| cyeoh | #topic api response validation in tempest | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-api-attribute-test | 00:27 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi has some really nice stuff merged where we can now verify that the attributes we expect in response bodies actually are there and are of the right format/type | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | this will really help us with v2.1 validation | 00:27 |
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| ken1ohmichi | yes, that would be necessary for v2.1 PoC | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: yes I don't think we necessarily have to have it finished by Atlanta, but we need to show that we can do it (and its good to have whatever route we take) | 00:27 |
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| cyeoh | I guess I'd like for us to decide whether we're going to go the check in client or test route before we merge any more patches though | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80202/ | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | that's the WIP I have for the check in client route | 00:27 |
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| cyeoh | (I think the Jenkins failure in that one is probably bogus) | 00:27 |
| ken1ohmichi | agree, and I picked up some APIs as PoC targets. so I think we need to implement these APIs validation in Tempest. It would be enough to merge these APIs by Atlanta. | 00:27 |
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| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: I like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80202/ idea | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: yes that sounds good. So I'll start working on trying to identify the list of extensions that we want to target | 00:27 |
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| GMann_ | I also agree with this design. This add one more benefit that in each test each response will get validated even of different client. | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | does anyone have any problems with the direction that 80202 is taking? | 00:27 |
| mrda | lgtm | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | GMann_: yea that's a nice side effect | 00:27 |
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| cyeoh | ok if no one has any problems then I think we can just comment on the existing validation patches in the queue out there asking them to rework them | 00:27 |
| ken1ohmichi | GMann_: yes, the design is perfect for me. | 00:27 |
| mrda | so we're happy holding up 80202 as the canonical design approach? | 00:27 |
| cyeoh | mrda: yea, I think we should point people to that one and I'll remove the WIP flag. | 00:28 |
| ken1ohmichi | mrda: I agree to seeing it as the canonical design approach | 00:29 |
| mrda | cool | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | anyone have anything else on the response validation? | 00:29 |
| cyeoh | I guess I should mention that I think in the long term we should Nova producing the schema files - so they can be used for unittests, docs and tempest tests | 00:30 |
| cyeoh | but for now generating them in tempest is fine. | 00:30 |
| mrda | cyeoh: agreed | 00:30 |
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| ken1ohmichi | yes, that is fine now. | 00:31 |
| cyeoh | As part of the design process for new API's I'd like to ask people to write json schema for both the request and responses though. | 00:31 |
| GMann_ | yes. looks ok | 00:31 |
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| cyeoh | because it forces people to think a lot more about what their API looks like to users (and the wierd edge conditions) | 00:31 |
| mrda | cyeoh: great idea - might as well start off on the right foot, and prevent API degredation | 00:32 |
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| cyeoh | mrda: yea we've really struggled with some api reviews in icehouse and a lot of it has come down to not enough design work being done before coding ... | 00:33 |
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| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: asking for request schema would be fine. but the one of response schema is a little overload, because Nova does not use it now. | 00:33 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: that is true. Api samples give us an insight to the responses atm. But one common problem I've seen is that people always right the most simple api sample test they think they can get away with | 00:34 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: you image Nova will use resonse schema in the future? | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | so we don't actually see all of what Nova could return | 00:34 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: yea I think we really should be using the response schema in the future | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: its kind of required if we're going to have a discoverable api like sdague has been pushing for | 00:35 |
| mrda | ken1ohmichi: I think if we show as part of this POC how it can be useful, we might convince the better approach in the long run | 00:35 |
| cyeoh | and it makes the whole docs process a lot easier | 00:35 |
| ken1ohmichi | cyeoh: I got it, thanks. and the other guy also gave the same idea when reviewing request body schema. | 00:36 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: cool | 00:36 |
| cyeoh | #topic open discussion | 00:36 |
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| cyeoh | alaski: did you want to talk about tasks at all? | 00:36 |
| GMann_ | I would like to add one point- should we define new directory structure for schema file like /tempest/api_schema/comute/.. instead of current one /tempest/api/compute/.. | 00:37 |
| alaski | cyeoh: I don't have much more beyond what came out of the mid cycle meetup at this point | 00:37 |
| alaski | the work has been deferred for feature freeze, but I hope to have something up shortly after | 00:37 |
| cyeoh | alaski: ok, sounds good. I guess at some point we'll need to work out what we're doing re: v2 vs v3 too... | 00:38 |
| tinoue | alaski: +1 | 00:38 |
| alaski | cyeoh: yep | 00:38 |
| alaski | everything except multiple create fits in fairly well | 00:38 |
| cyeoh | GMann_: will get to you in a sec | 00:39 |
| alaski | and I think we can come up with something for that | 00:39 |
| cyeoh | alaski: yea there is a patch that does multiple create out there now | 00:39 |
| GMann_ | sure. | 00:39 |
| cyeoh | (without tasks) | 00:39 |
| cyeoh | I'm just trying to remember who did it | 00:39 |
| alaski | it may have been melwitt, iirc | 00:40 |
| cyeoh | yea, that's right. | 00:40 |
| alaski | I need to look that one over again | 00:40 |
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| cyeoh | So I think the one thing it might need is to handle multi status 207 | 00:40 |
| alaski | ok | 00:40 |
| alaski | I'll read up on that code | 00:41 |
| alaski | status code | 00:41 |
| cyeoh | so although we return a list of server responses if one or more of them fail, they individually get a status code | 00:41 |
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| alaski | nice, that would be ideal | 00:41 |
| cyeoh | so server_external_events is an example of how we handle a 207 now | 00:42 |
| alaski | cool, I'll check that out | 00:43 |
| cyeoh | GMann_: I think you brought up a good point before. I don't have any strong feelings over this, but it does sort of make sense that eventually we will have schema to check all the services | 00:44 |
| cyeoh | and if we change the directory we should do it now before too much gets merged :-) | 00:44 |
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| GMann_ | yes, | 00:44 |
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| cyeoh | ken1ohmichi: what do you think? | 00:45 |
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| ken1ohmichi | GMann_'s idea seems good, | 00:45 |
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| cyeoh | ok anything else people would like to discuss? | 00:53 |
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| cyeoh | thanks everyone for attending! | 00:54 |
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| cyeoh | #endmeeting | 00:54 |
| ken1ohmichi | thanks, bye | 00:54 |
| GMann_ | Thanks all. | 00:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 14 00:54:21 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-03-14-00.01.html | 00:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-03-14-00.01.txt | 00:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2014/nova_api.2014-03-14-00.01.log.html | 00:54 |
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| mrda | thanks cyeoh! | 00:54 |
| masayukig | thanks | 00:54 |
| tinoue | bye | 00:54 |
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| changsimon_ | thanks, bye | 00:55 |
| alex_xu | bye, have a day every one | 00:55 |
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| jeblair | DinaBelova: try now | 15:09 |
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| DinaBelova | ok | 15:09 |
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| DinaBelova | #startmeeting climate | 15:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 14 15:09:38 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DinaBelova. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:09 |
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| DinaBelova | jeblair, thanks | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | it helped | 15:09 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1, cmart, bauzas - you here? :) | 15:10 |
| casanch1 | me here | 15:10 |
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| DinaBelova | :) | 15:10 |
| cmart | me too | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | cool | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | I think I | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | will start :) | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | today's agenda: | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | not many topics, but still :) | 15:10 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting + reviews queries (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:11 | |
| DinaBelova | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-03-07-15.01.html | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | we had some things assigned, let's go through status | 15:11 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1 start working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/climate/+bug/1285585 -> Pablo starting doing that :) | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | f_rossigneux - I see no progress :( | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | saf :( | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | sad* | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | for https://bugs.launchpad.net/climate/+bug/1240021 | 15:12 |
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| DinaBelova | as for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/tenant-to-project-ref - in progress | 15:12 |
| DinaBelova | and as for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/climate/+spec/climate-tempest-testing - Swann did not start working on it | 15:13 |
| casanch1 | yes, I'll try to send it to review today | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1, cool | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | as for Tempest | 15:13 |
| casanch1 | have been working on the rework for notifications bp | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | Swann decided to unassign it | 15:13 |
| DinaBelova | because of some events hapenning in his company | 15:14 |
| DinaBelova | we'll see full update next week | 15:14 |
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| DinaBelova | so that's assigned items from last meeting | 15:14 |
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| DinaBelova | I think we'll continue working and that's ok | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | I'd like to move to next topic | 15:15 |
| casanch1 | ok | 15:15 |
| cmart | ok | 15:15 |
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| DinaBelova | it'll be Tempest testing BP assignment - I'll change order in wiki | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | #topic Tempest testing BP assignment | 15:15 |
| casanch1 | wait, so tempest is available? | 15:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest testing BP assignment (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:15 | |
| DinaBelova | casanch1, it needs to be implemented :( | 15:15 |
| casanch1 | ho ok | 15:15 |
| DinaBelova | So I'd like to find people loving to spend their time on testing :) | 15:16 |
| cmart | I think I can take that.. | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1, do you know such crazy saint person??? | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | wooooow | 15:16 |
| casanch1 | I guess someone at Intel can take it | 15:16 |
| cmart | I'll need your help | 15:16 |
| casanch1 | :) | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | cmart, you're my angel! | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | :* | 15:16 |
| cmart | or demon... | 15:16 |
| casanch1 | we've done tempest work for another components | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 15:16 |
| cmart | :) | 15:16 |
| DinaBelova | ok, cool | 15:16 |
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| casanch1 | so, we have someone here that can help cmart :) | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | #action cmart Start working on Climate tempest testing | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | ok, but anyway | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | if you have any questions | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | feel free to ask me | 15:17 |
| cmart | Ok! | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | I'll do everything to help u | 15:17 |
| cmart | you asked for it! | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:17 |
| cmart | hahaa:) | 15:17 |
| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova assign Tempest testing BP to cmart | 15:18 |
| casanch1 | the dark side :) | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | so next topic | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | #topic 0.1.1 status | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "0.1.1 status (Meeting topic: climate)" | 15:18 | |
| DinaBelova | #link https://launchpad.net/climate/+milestone/0.1.1 | 15:18 |
| DinaBelova | sooo | 15:18 |
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| DinaBelova | It looks quite nice now | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | except one thing | 15:19 |
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| DinaBelova | as it was discussed on previous meeting | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | I don't like idea of having release without new name | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | well, we've chosen | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | Blazar is ok | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | and I sent mail to Lauren Sell from foundation | 15:19 |
| DinaBelova | asking for some lawyers help :) | 15:20 |
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| DinaBelova | still waiting for response :) | 15:20 |
| casanch1 | what's the meaning of blazar? | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | A blazar is a very compact quasar (quasi-stellar radio source) associated with a presumed supermassive black hole at the center of an active, giant elliptical galaxy. Blazars are among the most energetic phenomena in the universe and are an important topic in extragalactic astronomy. | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:20 |
| DinaBelova | astronomy topic in OS is popular :) | 15:20 |
| cmart | o_0 | 15:20 |
| casanch1 | hehe | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | ;) | 15:21 |
| bauzas | \o | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas! | 15:21 |
| bauzas | sorry, was in a formal meeting | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | nice to meet you here :) | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | please take a look on log :) | 15:21 |
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| bauzas | sure | 15:21 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so giving little mins :) | 15:21 |
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| DinaBelova | currently we're taking look on 0.1.1 status | 15:22 |
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| DinaBelova | it's bloked due do reviews in progress (but we have all implemented/needs code review, that's good) | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | blocked* | 15:22 |
| DinaBelova | and due to new name checking | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | by foundation | 15:23 |
| bauzas | got the log | 15:23 |
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| bauzas | ok so anything to help ? | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | #info DinaBelova wait till Tuesday - if no reaction from foundation, will try to send one more email | 15:23 |
| bauzas | ok | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | well, we need code review | 15:23 |
| DinaBelova | it'll be one of the main focuses next week, I guess | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | for me, bauzas and other core team | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | so we'll work on it | 15:24 |
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| bauzas | which ones are prorities ? | 15:24 |
| DinaBelova | does someone have any questions for this topic? | 15:24 |
| bauzas | none from 0.1.1 ? | 15:24 |
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| DinaBelova | bauzas, creating draft designs for state leases + new step in lease-creation | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | equal for VR/PR | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | for both | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | we need that | 15:25 |
| bauzas | ok, I can handle that next week | 15:25 |
| bauzas | let's discuss it thru etherpad | 15:25 |
| DinaBelova | +1 | 15:26 |
| bauzas | I'll create it and amend the BP | 15:26 |
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| bauzas | please give me an action | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | #agreed Priorities for the next week: new name checking + designs for state leases and new step in lease-creation | 15:26 |
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| DinaBelova | #action bauzas create etherpad about designs and amend according BPs | 15:26 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | probably that's if for this topic | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | any questions? | 15:27 |
| bauzas | thanks | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | ok, I'll move on | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | #topic Open discussion | 15:27 |
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| DinaBelova | sooo | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | I have one thing to look at here | 15:27 |
| DinaBelova | I'd like to find volunteer to work on volume reservation concept | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:28 |
| cmart | what is that? | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | well, we have now only compute resources reservation | 15:28 |
| DinaBelova | we need to prepare design, approve it, and then implement that reservation possibility for other resource types | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | volumes seem to be the easiest thing here | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | as it will look much like VM reservation | 15:29 |
| casanch1 | i would like to | 15:29 |
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| DinaBelova | and it'll work ok after new lease-create step will be implemented (allocate resources one) | 15:29 |
| DinaBelova | casanch1m one more angel :) | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | ok, thanks | 15:30 |
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| DinaBelova | #action DinaBelova assign design preparation of volume reservation concept to casanch1 | 15:30 |
| DinaBelova | ok, so I have nothing to add here :) | 15:30 |
| casanch1 | I might need some help to get started | 15:30 |
| cmart | I have one thing to ask.. | 15:31 |
| bauzas | we have to discuss on etherpad about the design for implementing volumes reservations | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | yes, that's why I say 'concept', no 'change' | 15:31 |
| bauzas | :D | 15:31 |
| casanch1 | bauzas ok | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | :) | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | cmart, yes? | 15:31 |
| cmart | related to the tenant expiration dates.. Are you going to discuss it on Submit with the rest of the community? | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | yes! | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | sure! | 15:31 |
| bauzas | well, that's a good opportunity yes | 15:31 |
| DinaBelova | I simply think that before summit we can't do much... | 15:32 |
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| cmart | I won´t be able to attend to the submit, so I'll leave it in your hands.. :) | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | as on summit we'll have opportunity to discuss that with rest of community in person | 15:32 |
| casanch1 | I'm going to be there :) | 15:32 |
| cmart | (casanch and pafuent) hands | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | cmart, as I know Cristian and Pablo will attend? | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | oh, yes | 15:32 |
| DinaBelova | so you'll keep track on it :) | 15:33 |
| casanch1 | pablo will also go | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | cool | 15:33 |
| casanch1 | sure | 15:33 |
| cmart | great! | 15:33 |
| cmart | thanks | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | cmart, np | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | smth else? | 15:33 |
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| cmart | one comment.. | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | #info Discuss tenant reservation concept on summit | 15:33 |
| DinaBelova | yes, sure? | 15:33 |
| cmart | how do you guys handle the bp discussions? I was thinking on a possible bp, but I don´t know how is the process.. | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | well, there are two ways | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | no | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | three | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | 1/ start discussion in ML | 15:34 |
| DinaBelova | 2/ create etherpad, give link and discuss it there | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | 3/ simply create BP and discuss it in whiteboard | 15:35 |
| cmart | OK.. | 15:35 |
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| DinaBelova | I prefer first one, as created BPs are there for all time | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | you may just say "we won't implement it" | 15:35 |
| DinaBelova | but really - that's your wish and your choice | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | so as you like | 15:36 |
| cmart | ok thanks | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | feel free for any of these 3 variants | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | I guess I may close meeting | 15:36 |
| DinaBelova | any objections? | 15:36 |
| casanch1 | ok | 15:36 |
| casanch1 | no problem | 15:37 |
| cmart | not from my side | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas? ^^ | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | well :) | 15:37 |
| bauzas | nope | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 14 15:37:30 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-03-14-15.09.html | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-03-14-15.09.txt | 15:37 |
| bauzas | sorry, I lost myself :) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2014/climate.2014-03-14-15.09.log.html | 15:37 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, np :) | 15:37 |
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| vishy | anyone here to talk about hierarchical multitenancy? | 16:02 |
| vishy | VINOD__: ping | 16:02 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: Hi | 16:02 |
| vishy | hi | 16:03 |
| vishy | I've been travelling and missing every meeting but I'm actually here today! | 16:03 |
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| VINOD__ | Vishy: No problem | 16:03 |
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| vishy | #startmeeting Hierarchical Multitenancy | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Mar 14 16:04:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vishy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Hierarchical Multitenancy)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:04 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: Actually, we finished the domain quota stuff and that's why ulrich sent a mail to ask you about anything that can be done in Hierarchy multitenancy | 16:04 |
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| vishy | there is also a proposal for a discussion about domain support in nova | 16:04 |
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| vishy | VINOD__: do you have a link? | 16:04 |
| vishy | #topic recent work | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "recent work (Meeting topic: Hierarchical Multitenancy)" | 16:04 | |
| VINOD__ | vishy: you mean the domain quota stuff | 16:05 |
| vishy | yeah | 16:05 |
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| VINOD__ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75967/ | 16:05 |
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| VINOD__ | this one is for Nova v2 APIs for Domain Quota Management | 16:05 |
| VINOD__ | Nova Commands for Domain Quota -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76347/ | 16:06 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/75967/ | 16:06 |
| vishy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76347/ | 16:06 |
| VINOD__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/78630/ | 16:06 |
| VINOD__ | the last one is fo Nova V3 APIs | 16:06 |
| vishy | ok so this would be enforcing quotas by domain instead of by nested project | 16:07 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: Yes | 16:07 |
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| vishy | I'd really like to keep the domain concept out of the projects if possible | 16:07 |
| VINOD__ | Unfortunately, the blueprints are not accepted for Icehouse as you uploaded it late..so we have to wait for next release | 16:08 |
| VINOD__ | sorry i mean i uploaded it late | 16:08 |
| vishy | is there an advantage to using domains instead of nested projects in your view? | 16:08 |
| raildo | vishy: IMO, it's very important to keep the concept of domain | 16:08 |
| vishy | raildo: why? | 16:08 |
| vishy | I think it will only last us for a little while until someone wants to add another layer between domain and project | 16:09 |
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| VINOD__ | for me, both are same as domains can be viewed as hierarchical projects with just 3 levels | 16:09 |
| schwicke | I agree with Vinod. | 16:10 |
| schwicke | they are a good first step into the right direction, and most of the work is doen | 16:10 |
| VINOD__ | that's why we had implemented the domain quota stuff as hierarchical is still not yet decided. But we can port the code very easily | 16:10 |
| vishy | VINOD__: ok | 16:10 |
| vishy | still curious about raildo's opinion | 16:10 |
| schwicke | this gives us time to carefully design the nested projects which should catch all use cases. | 16:10 |
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| vishy | schwicke: fair enough. It seems pretty straightforward although if we manage quotas for nested projects | 16:11 |
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| vishy | i don't think we need a new api extension | 16:11 |
| vishy | we could use the existing quota management features | 16:11 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: That can be changed | 16:11 |
| schwicke | actually, we are keen on starting to work on the extension ;-) | 16:11 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: I just added it because i was not sure whether i can use os-quota-sets | 16:12 |
| vishy | os-quota-sets maybe not | 16:12 |
| schwicke | as the blue prints are not accepted we are in fact free to change it | 16:12 |
| vishy | but the regular quota management should be ok no? | 16:12 |
| VINOD__ | that's why i had used os-domain-quota-sets | 16:12 |
| schwicke | we can easily redesign it | 16:12 |
| vishy | oh sorry my bad | 16:13 |
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| vishy | the extension is called os-quota-sets | 16:13 |
| vishy | :) | 16:13 |
| vishy | I forgot | 16:13 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: Yes, the nova will have two quota drivers, one is called DbQuotaDriver (the current one) and the other is DomainQuotaDriver | 16:13 |
| VINOD__ | and both the drivers can be used in parallel. | 16:13 |
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| VINOD__ | Like if somebody just want to use quotas at just project level, the admin can use os-quota-sets | 16:13 |
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| VINOD__ | and if the admin wants to use quotas at domain in addition to projects, he can use os-domain-quota-sets | 16:14 |
| vishy | VINOD__: if we do use nested projects, won't the existing tenant-quota comands work? | 16:14 |
| VINOD__ | that's why i had put them separately. | 16:14 |
| vishy | meaning would the extension need to change? | 16:14 |
| vishy | or is there stuff missing in os-quota-sets | 16:14 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: The code needs to be changed (we can keep the extension), because in the code it is assumed that they are only three levels | 16:15 |
| raildo | Domin Quota in Nova, greatly facilitates the management of a large cloud | 16:15 |
| vishy | VINOD__: i mean in the os-quota-sets extension | 16:15 |
| vishy | if we don't do domains, and just do nested projects | 16:15 |
| vishy | is there anything missing from that extensions | 16:15 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: Yes, the os-quota-sets does not do domain quota..it only implements the quota at project and user level | 16:15 |
| vishy | raildo: I don't see what domain quotas gives us over nested proects quota | 16:16 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: Yes, the code will not work as it assumes that ther is only two levels i.e projects->users | 16:16 |
| vishy | VINOD__: ok but nested projects means projects->projects->projects->users | 16:16 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: But if we change to hierarchical like project -> project -> project -> user | 16:16 |
| vishy | beat you! | 16:16 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: yes, exactly | 16:16 |
| vishy | :) | 16:16 |
| VINOD__ | yeah | 16:17 |
| vishy | so the keystone devs are already a bit leery about exposing domains outside of keystone | 16:17 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: if we forgot about domain, and want to use hierarchical one, then it requires a change in the code (keep the same extension) | 16:17 |
| vishy | which is one of the reasons I like the nested project approach | 16:17 |
| vishy | VINOD__: a change in the extension? or just a change in the underlying management code? | 16:18 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: a change in the underlying code. | 16:18 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: we can keep the extension same as os-quota-sets | 16:18 |
| vishy | ok that is what I thought | 16:18 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: I mean the functions that gets called for CURD operations on os-quota-sets needs to be changed | 16:19 |
| vishy | so domains vs. nested projects vs both is probably a discussion we need to have at the summit | 16:19 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: Yes, i guess | 16:19 |
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| vishy | because there are a lot of opinions :) | 16:19 |
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| vishy | but it is cool to have an example of how the extension would be done for domain support | 16:19 |
| vishy | #topic summit sessions | 16:19 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: But remember if both has to be there, then we need two different extensions like os-quota-sets and os-domain-quota-sets | 16:20 |
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| vishy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/62 | 16:20 |
| vishy | VINOD__: right that makes sense | 16:20 |
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| vishy | I'm going to argue for domains being a keysotone only concept :) | 16:20 |
| vishy | if it stays around | 16:20 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: Also, the administrator should not use these extensions at the same time | 16:20 |
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| vishy | so that discussion is about adding hierarchical projects in keystone | 16:21 |
| raildo | vishy: tellesnobrega and I are proposing that part of nested projects at Keystone | 16:21 |
| vishy | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/58 | 16:21 |
| vishy | here is the one about domains in nova | 16:21 |
| vishy | that is yours? | 16:21 |
| raildo | yes | 16:21 |
| vishy | do you have the code somewhere that I can look at? | 16:21 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: If nested projects are used, then why to keep domains in keystone as well | 16:21 |
| vishy | VINOD__: the keystone devs have mentioned some value for integrating multiple identity management systems | 16:22 |
| vishy | so essentially a domain would be a container for users for authentication purposes | 16:22 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: But why a user should be part of a domain. A user should just have a user name and a password. The admin can add the user to any project | 16:23 |
| raildo | vishy: We're finishing up the prototype and send you to the community in the coming days | 16:23 |
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| VINOD__ | the authentication should just include the project scope | 16:23 |
| vishy | VINOD__: the domain would tell keystone which backend to talk to to validate the user/pass | 16:24 |
| vishy | i.e. could be multiple ldap servers for different users | 16:24 |
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| vishy | it also would scope the user id | 16:24 |
| vishy | so you could have gary@companya.com and gary@companyb.com | 16:24 |
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| vishy | i think that is the argument anyway | 16:24 |
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| VINOD__ | vishy: To me, have domains and hierarchical together is confusing | 16:25 |
| vishy | VINOD__: well I agree, but I don't really want to fight with keystone over that. If there are valid internal reasons for keeping it, fine | 16:25 |
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| vishy | but having nested projects and domains exposed outside of keystone is something I would prefer we didn't have :) | 16:25 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: Either we should keep domains or move to the hierarchical one (as domains can also be viewed as hierarchical with just 3 levels domain (can be called head project) ->project->user) | 16:25 |
| vishy | some of the keystone devs are an board with that approach | 16:26 |
| vishy | which i prefer as well | 16:26 |
| tellesnobrega | VINOD__: in the prototype that Raildo and I implemented we have domains and hierarchical projects, they don't conflict, domain kind of contains the tree, so we can keep it compatible | 16:26 |
| vishy | tellesnobrega: I think that is a good first step | 16:26 |
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| vishy | backwards compat is important | 16:26 |
| vishy | although the blueprint talks about replacing domains with a top-level project eventually | 16:27 |
| vishy | which I am all for | 16:27 |
| VINOD__ | tellesnobrega: Sorry, i am not proposing to drop domains..but i don't understand why both should exist together...if i am using hierarchical projects in nova, then where the domains coming into picture | 16:27 |
| vishy | tellesnobrega, raildo: can you explain why you still want to have domains in nova if we have nested projects. | 16:27 |
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| vishy | is there some extra value that I'm missing? | 16:28 |
| raildo | vishy: In relation to prototype that we implemented on nested projects in Keystone, we wonder if there is something to improve in our prototype? | 16:28 |
| VINOD__ | In my view, users should be registered with a username and password. Any levels of projects can be created and users can be added to a project..user can get authenticated using username, password and the project scope | 16:28 |
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| vishy | raildo: link? | 16:29 |
| VINOD__ | then any command can be run by the user can be checked using the project scope | 16:29 |
| vishy | VINOD__: right that is the view | 16:29 |
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| raildo | vishy: https://github.com/tellesnobrega/keystone_hierarchical_projects | 16:29 |
| vishy | thx | 16:29 |
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| vishy | hmm not easy to get a diff in that version :) | 16:30 |
| tellesnobrega | vishy: in this prototype i use hierarchical ids even though adam said not to, so its compatible with your implementation | 16:31 |
| vishy | ok cool | 16:31 |
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| vishy | I wish i could see your commits separately | 16:31 |
| tellesnobrega | vishy: sorry, i had some problems during implementation, i can create a new repository with all the changes and send it to the discussion in the list | 16:32 |
| vishy | tellesnobrega: that would be very helpful | 16:32 |
| vishy | I'd like to take a look in more detail | 16:32 |
| vishy | and I can give you feedback about potential issues | 16:32 |
| tellesnobrega | will do it as soon as possible | 16:32 |
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| vishy | tellesnobrega: so I still would like to understand why you are proposing adding domain support for things like quotas and listing of instances | 16:32 |
| vishy | if you have this? | 16:32 |
| raildo | vishy: Is there any other functionality that we implement? We wanted to contribute something more to the summit. | 16:33 |
| raildo | vishy: I'll send you an email trying to explain why we have domains. | 16:33 |
| vishy | raildo: that would be great | 16:33 |
| VINOD__ | raildo: that will be very good...i am also still confused using both the features together | 16:33 |
| tellesnobrega | i think domains gives a good separation of context, even though nested projects propose the same, i think that users from different places should not be allocated together in a empty slot. | 16:34 |
| vishy | #action tellesnobrega clean up project code so we have clean diffs. | 16:34 |
| vishy | #action raildo write an email to explain the value of domains + nested projects | 16:34 |
| tellesnobrega | vishy: do you want the changes in nova, keystone and devstack or just keystone? | 16:34 |
| vishy | #action vishy to review changes for hierarchical projects | 16:35 |
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| vishy | tellesnobrega: all of them would be great | 16:35 |
| tellesnobrega | sure | 16:35 |
| vishy | If we can come to a consensus about domains/projects it will make the summit easier | 16:36 |
| tellesnobrega | of course | 16:36 |
| vishy | assuming we all end up agreeing :) | 16:36 |
| raildo | vishy: +1 | 16:36 |
| vishy | if not then we can at least present both sides of the argument | 16:36 |
| schwicke | vinod_: we could also review our prototype. | 16:36 |
| raildo | vishy: Is there any other functionality that we implement? i and tellesnobrega wanted to contribute something more to the summit | 16:37 |
| schwicke | VINOD__: I mean that stuff you did a while ago on the hierarchical project quota | 16:37 |
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| vishy | I think it would be good to have a cross-project summit session on hierarchical multitenancy across projects | 16:37 |
| vishy | hopefully presenting our idea of how it should work. | 16:37 |
| raildo | ok | 16:37 |
| vishy | raildo: my hope is that we can come to consensus about the "best" way to do things | 16:38 |
| vishy | and present that | 16:38 |
| vishy | as in here are the steps to get to good multiple ownership/ rbac / etc. | 16:38 |
| VINOD__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/POC_for_QuotaManagement | 16:38 |
| VINOD__ | we did this prototype long back... | 16:38 |
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| raildo | vishy: sounds good to me | 16:39 |
| VINOD__ | but i need to change this..as i had implemeneted the roles parsing from top to bottom, but somebody suggested to make it to the top | 16:39 |
| vishy | in my mind it is 1. hierarchical projects in keystone 2. data migration of owners to nested.projects 3. prefix matching for policy and functions 4. Multiple ownership | 16:39 |
| vishy | but there is still some debate | 16:39 |
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| vishy | VINOD__: yeah that was me | 16:39 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: sorry | 16:39 |
| vishy | there are also a bunch of sub points in there | 16:39 |
| VINOD__ | vishy: should i need to change the POC to what you suggested and post the diff of code to all? | 16:40 |
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| schwicke | vishy: do you want to action item that ? | 16:47 |
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| schwicke | have to leave, sorry. | 16:49 |
| vishy | #action VINOD__ to change the poc and post diff | 16:49 |
| VINOD__ | ok | 16:49 |
| vishy | sorry had to step away for a minute | 16:49 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:50 |
| vishy | so lets do our actions and meet next week to discuss our position about domains and projects | 16:50 |
| vishy | and steps | 16:50 |
| vishy | sound good? | 16:50 |
| VINOD__ | ok..its sound good | 16:50 |
| schwicke | sounds good | 16:50 |
| schwicke | see you next week! | 16:50 |
| raildo | ok | 16:50 |
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| vishy | #info discussion next week will be around domains vs. nested projects vs. both | 16:50 |
| tellesnobrega | see you guys | 16:51 |
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| vishy | #info goal is to come to consensus around best path forward and a specific set of steps to bring nested or domain support to other projects | 16:51 |
| vishy | #endmeeting | 16:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Mar 14 16:51:32 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-03-14-16.04.html | 16:51 |
| vishy | ciao! | 16:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-03-14-16.04.txt | 16:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2014/hierarchical_multitenancy.2014-03-14-16.04.log.html | 16:51 |
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| VINOD__ | bye all | 16:51 |
| VINOD__ | have a nice weekend | 16:51 |
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