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devanandaHi! who all is here for the Ironic meeting?19:00
lucasagomeso/19:00
NobodyCamo/19:00
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linggaome19:01
devananda#startmeeting Ironic19:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 27 19:01:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)"19:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic'19:01
devananda#chair NobodyCam19:01
openstackCurrent chairs: NobodyCam devananda19:01
devanandaAs usual, our agenda's here -- https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic19:01
NobodyCamWelcome all19:01
GheRiveroo/19:01
NobodyCamshort agenda today :)19:01
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devanandacould end up being a short meeting, but who knows if we'll side track :)19:02
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devanandasmall snnouncement: we cut a milestone as with all the other projects last week19:02
NobodyCamSaw the email about that19:02
dkehno/19:02
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max_lobur_cello/19:03
devanandathis was more about getting the process down than actually producing a stable build, but it was, afaict, stable for the things we've implemented so far19:03
devanandathings are looking good to me for our progress towarsd graduation -- keep up the good work!19:04
devanandamostly, we need deploy to really work. we're so close but could really use folks focusing on taht right now19:04
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devanandalet's take a look at open BPs and high pri bugs19:04
devananda#topic blue prints19:04
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devananda#link https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/icehouse-319:05
* devananda waits on slow connection19:05
devanandaok,we  have 2 essential BPs for i3 no tdone yet19:05
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devanandaromcheg: think you'll be able to start on the db migration from nova-baremetal soon? or have you already and I missed it?19:06
romchegdevananda: I'll submit all I did this week19:06
devanandadkehn: i've seen a lot of comments (and left some) on your neutron patch. anything more I can do to facilitate getting that done ASAP?19:06
devanandaromcheg: great, thanks!19:06
NobodyCamromcheg: awesome19:07
dkehnworking on it at present, lifeless has left comments on it concerning I it will be used, which is good19:07
devanandalinggao: do i remember correctly that you're working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/serial-console-access ?19:07
dkehnit really depends upon the reviews, I'm taking care of them as I get them19:07
devanandalinggao: or working with sun on that, i mean19:07
linggaodevananda, Sun Jing is working on it.19:08
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devanandaalso, has anyone gotten the neutron patch to work in a deployment, in conjunction with the nova driver yet?19:08
lucasagomesnop, I'm setting up tripleo to start working on that right now19:08
devanandalinggao: ah, sorry. I don't usually see sun at the meetings, just you19:09
* NobodyCam notes that I should have a new rev of the driver up today. I tried (and failed) to have it up for hte meeting19:09
lucasagomesprobably will have something to say about it by tomorrow (day's almost finishing here)19:09
devanandalucasagomes: awesome, ty19:09
linggaodavadanda, it's her night time. 3am in the morning. :-)19:09
linggaoShe will finish the console with ipmitool.19:09
devanandalinggao: ah! that's a good reason not to be in the meetings :)19:09
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devanandalinggao: ok, thanks19:10
linggaoShe has transfered other blueprints to me but his one.19:10
linggaohis/this19:10
devanandafwiw, the other 3 BPs currently targeted to i3 may get bumped -- depending on review bandwidth, etc19:11
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lucasagomesthe ephemeral partition one I think is already in good progress, there's two patches waiting for review that makes ironic19:11
lucasagomescreate an ephemeral partition at deploy time19:11
devanandalucasagomes: awesome work on that, btw. i know it's mostly just porting from nova, but still ... :)19:12
lucasagomesand the next one teachs ironic hw to preserve that partition if you redeploy the machine19:12
lucasagomesyea mostly adapting the nova code to ironic19:12
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NobodyCamlucasagomes: do you recall the deploy timeout issue we chatted about a week or so ago. did we get a bug or bp for that?19:12
lucasagomesand maybe we need to add a redeploy to the ironic driver as well19:12
lucasagomesNobodyCam, there's a bug for that19:12
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dkehnlifeless: pong19:12
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lucasagomesdevananda, opened19:12
dkehnlifeless: pong19:13
devanandalucasagomes: let's chat about redeploy towards the end of meeting19:13
* lucasagomes tries to find the link19:13
NobodyCamlucasagomes: ack TY19:13
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devanandalucasagomes: i would like to know what you mean, but not sidetrack yet :)19:13
dkehnsorry wrong window19:13
devanandaany other questions/comments/blockers on blue prints, before we move on?19:13
lucasagomesNobodyCam, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/127098619:13
lucasagomesdendrobates, ack19:13
devanandalol19:13
NobodyCam#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/127098619:13
NobodyCamTY lucasagomes19:14
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lucasagomesdevananda, ack*19:14
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devananda#topic bugs19:14
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devanandafirst thing is, i'd like to ask that any developers filing bugs, who have a sense of the project's needs (as ya'll probably do by now)19:14
devanandaalso triage them19:14
NobodyCamdevananda: I believe the above bug should be i-319:15
devananda#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage19:15
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devanandaso, eg, if you spot a problem and file a bug, please set the status to triaged and the importance to the appropriate level19:16
devanandasee taht link for a description of the different meanings of the fields19:16
devanandaand if you're working on fixing a bug, please set the milestone target if you think you'll have a fix by a certain time19:16
devanandathanks :)19:16
devanandaany particular open bugs that folks want to bring up?19:17
devanandaeither you're blocked fixing it, or you think the priority is wrong (too low? too high?)19:17
devanandaor you think it's essential to fix by i3 but it's not listed on https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/icehouse-3 ...19:17
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lucasagomesthe timeout one is tricky19:18
devananda#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/127098619:18
devanandayea19:18
linggaowhat is the target date for i3?19:18
devanandamarch 619:18
linggaoI see.19:18
devanandathere's a feature freeze deadline of feb 22, i believe19:18
rloowhich means mar 4 to get the changes in?19:18
devanandasee the ML for the discussions19:18
lucasagomescause in order to use an periodic task you will have to break the lock to be able to acquire the node object and set it's provision_state to error19:19
lucasagomesnot only that, we will also have to stop the job19:19
lucasagomeswhich is running in the background19:19
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devanandabasically, that means any major new code needs to be proposed ~2 weeks before the FF so folks can have tiem to review it and iterate19:19
devanandahm, i should have announced that at the beginning...19:19
linggaoSo after March 6, no more code check in?19:19
devanandalinggao: after mar6, only bug fixes and docs, unless you get a feature-freeze-exception to continue working on an essential feature for the release19:20
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linggaogot it.19:20
devanandalucasagomes: exactly. and i dont think we've got a solution yet for "interrupt the background job"19:20
NobodyCamfeature-freeze-exception come from TC's only?19:20
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devanandaNobodyCam: PTL19:21
lucasagomesdevananda, yup, I was thinking about somehow use max_lobur_cell patchs19:21
NobodyCamack19:21
lucasagomesto have an interface to stop the thread19:21
devanandalucasagomes: that creates the thread, but does it let us SIG_INT the thread?19:21
max_lobur_celldevananda, lucasagomes, its possible to cancel background job19:21
devanandamax_lobur_cell: awesome - how?19:21
lucasagomesyea, if we had a thread pool or something19:21
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lucasagomeswhere I could get that future object and somehow call a stop()19:22
max_lobur_cellI'd like to discuss after19:22
max_lobur_cellexactly19:22
devanandamax_lobur_cell: sounds good19:22
lucasagomesidk about sending a signal to the thread19:22
lucasagomesunless we do it with multiprocessing19:22
max_lobur_cellbut there are other ways19:22
lucasagomesthat would allow us to send a signal to stop that process19:22
devanandalucasagomes: right - i was using SIG_INT as an expression, not literally :)19:23
lucasagomesgotcha19:23
lucasagomeswell we can use the signal python lib for that then19:23
lucasagomesI think19:23
devanandaso that is the only _critical_ bug that we have open today,w hich is great19:23
lucasagomesthat would make things more difficult to port ironic to windows for e.g19:23
max_lobur_cellI'll ping you guys after19:24
devanandafwiw, critical bug == hold off the release until it's fixed19:24
lucasagomesas signal is unix only... but we don't have to mind about it now as well19:24
devanandaand i think this bug is that bad that we must fix it before Icehouse release19:24
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max_lobur_cellonce I get back to my laptop :-)19:24
NobodyCamdevananda: ++19:24
devanandaany other bugs folks are concerned about ?19:24
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devananda*are particularly concerned about19:24
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devanandaok, moving on ...19:26
devananda#topic Tempest tests19:26
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devanandawe're still waiting on -infra to merge the tempest API functional tests into the pipeline19:26
devanandathey were really busy last week... :)19:27
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NobodyCamya,19:27
devanandaother than that, I'm hoping agordeev2 // romcheg // etc might have some updates on devstack/tempest functional testing with VMs?19:27
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agordeev2devananda: right! i'm fully concentraced on it19:28
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devanandaagordeev2: awesome! how's it going? need anything from me?19:28
agordeev2devananda: it's going fine. I think we'll have working patchset before the mid of i3 :)19:29
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agordeev2devananda: no, no need of anything from you. thank you19:30
devanandaagordeev2: ok, thanks!19:30
devananda#topic nova driver19:30
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devanandaNobodyCam: that's you :)19:30
NobodyCamyep19:30
NobodyCamI have a update to puch up as soon as I correctly rebase the driver19:30
NobodyCamI am getting the node to the deploying state19:31
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NobodyCamI hope to be testing with dkehn's patch today19:31
devanandaawesome19:32
devanandaany idea when it'll be ready for review by nova team?19:32
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NobodyCamif things go well today. I hope to jump in to test writting19:32
dkehnNobodyCam: look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66071/11, working on it a bit to deal with lifeless review19:32
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NobodyCamso maybe by next meeting? (i hope)19:33
NobodyCamdkehn: ack will look after meeting19:33
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devanandaNobodyCam: need anything from me / others?19:34
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NobodyCamoh quietion ya19:34
NobodyCamwe use mock19:34
NobodyCamnova appers to still be using mox19:34
NobodyCamany pref there?19:34
devanandayea19:34
devanandamock :)19:35
NobodyCam:)19:35
devanandaall projects should be moving twoarsd py3 compat19:35
devanandamox is one of the things holding nova back19:35
NobodyCamthat what I thought19:35
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dkehnis mox is or out?19:35
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max_lobur_celldevananda +19:35
devanandamox is not py3 compat, last i heard19:35
devanandait definitely shouldn't be used in ironic, and if we're adding unit tests to other projects (eg, nova) it's nice of us to use mock instead19:36
dkehnthx19:36
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NobodyCamany question for me on the nova driver?19:36
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devanandanot from me. anyone else?19:37
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devanandai'm going to skip the next agenda item (devstack) since agordeev2 already gave an update on it, unless anyone has questions on taht topic19:37
devananda#topic tripleo19:38
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devanandaseveral of the patches to add ironic support to tripleo have merged, there's at least one more still in progress19:38
devananda#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66461/119:38
NobodyCam#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69013/119:39
devanandaalso, lucasagomes raised a question in channel earlier19:39
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devanandawhether we're adding ironic to the seed or undercloud VMs and why19:39
devanandaso i'd like to clarify that in case others are wondering19:39
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devanandaseed has some extra bits (init-no-cloud-init, or something like that) so it can run without cloud-init available19:40
NobodyCamI have a update ALMOST ready for 6646119:40
matty_dubsIf you pardon the stupidity, what would be the use case for baking Ironic into the seed/UC VMs?19:40
devanandai believe the elements are otherwise the same as for undercloud19:40
devanandaso we're adding it to undercloud first and once that's working, will add it to seed19:40
NobodyCammatty_dubs: a working ironic19:40
devanandamatty_dubs: it's replacing nova's baremetal driver19:40
devanandamatty_dubs: so instead of seed and undercloud using nova+baremetal, it will use nova+ironic19:41
devanandas/it/they/19:41
matty_dubsOh, whoops, _under_cloud. I'm with you now. :)19:41
lucasagomes:)19:41
devananda:)19:41
NobodyCam:)19:41
devanandaanyone else experimenting with tripleo + ironic?19:41
devanandaquestions? comments?19:42
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matty_dubsI'm ostensibly at the intersection of the two, though not too heavily involved with TripleO at the moment.19:42
matty_dubsNow that I don't have undercloud and overcloud confused (it's Monday!), it seems like it would be pretty useful.19:42
devanandamatty_dubs: are you working on tuskar?19:43
matty_dubsdevananda: I came from Tuskar, and my focus is starting to shift to Ironic. Largely in support of Tuskar.19:43
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devanandamatty_dubs: great. welcome!19:43
matty_dubsThanks! :)19:43
devanandamatty_dubs: you'll probably want to poke at our API a bunch, and getting tuskar to talk directly to it for enrolling / status / etc19:44
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matty_dubsYes, was looking at precisely that last week :)19:45
devanandaif there's nothing else specific to our progress to integrate with tripleo, let's jsut open the floor19:45
devananda#topic open discussion19:45
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NobodyCamjust wanted to say AWESOME job everyone19:46
lucasagomesdevananda, at the beginning of the meeting I said that we probably will have to add a way to "redeploy" in the ironic driver for nova19:46
lucasagomesI meant rebuild19:46
NobodyCamlucasagomes: how would you see that getting used19:47
NobodyCams/how/when/19:47
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lucasagomesNobodyCam, I think TripleO is already planning to use that on this cycle19:47
devanandalucasagomes: as in, upgrade the image19:48
lucasagomeslifeless,  sent an email to the openstack-dev list today I think19:48
NobodyCamfor upgrades19:48
lucasagomesdendrobates, yes19:48
NobodyCam:)19:48
lucasagomesdevananda, yes19:48
devanandalucasagomes: or "put new image on same node without wiping the ephemeral"19:48
devanandaok19:48
lucasagomesyea update the deployed image19:48
lucasagomeswithout removing all the user data19:48
devanandathere was a patch up to implement a "redeploy", which would ostensibly re-trigger a deploy when the previous attempt failed mid-way19:48
NobodyCamdevananda: have the link handy?19:49
devanandai blocked that one because, if something fails, i think exposing the equivalent of F5 is terrible19:49
lucasagomesI see... that's useful as well :) but yea I confused the words I meant rebuild instead of redeploy19:49
devanandalucasagomes: actually i think it's anti-useful19:49
devanandawhy not just "delete" + "deploy" ?19:50
devanandabut anyway, for tripleo's needs, re-image is very useful19:50
lucasagomesdevananda, well, if the redeploy is smart enough to tell the scheduler to pick another node (ignore the one that failed, not try to redeploy on it)19:50
lucasagomesI think it's kinda the same as delete and deploy again19:51
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lucasagomeskinda like an alias for both action19:51
devanandalucasagomes: at the nova level, taht will happen with automatic scheduler retries19:51
lucasagomesactions*19:51
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devanandalucasagomes: actually, i dont think the scheduler is issuing deletes for the failures, but i'll check19:51
devananda#action devananda to check if nova-scheduler issues DELETE for failed attempts prior to RETRY19:52
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lucasagomesdevananda, right, hmm... that would be important to it to call delete19:52
lucasagomesso we can do a tear_down() and remove all the config files19:52
lucasagomesgenerated for that node that failed to deploy19:52
devanandalucasagomes: ironic doesn't need to expose retry in its API because teh logic for that is external. we don't have an internal scheduler today19:52
lucasagomesinlcuding the auth_token etc19:52
devanandalucasagomes: exactly19:52
devanandabut we do need to expose "reimage"19:53
devanandathat can't be accomplished with any other combination of actions today19:53
lucasagomesI see19:53
matty_dubs'reimage' is for the upgrade use case, where you want to leave guests intact, but upgrade the operating system / OpenStack install, correct?19:53
devanandamatty_dubs: yep19:54
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NobodyCamdevananda: would that be needed for graduation?19:54
devanandaNobodyCam: nope19:55
lucasagomesyea that logic about "redeploy" should live in the ironic driver for e.g not in our APi directly19:55
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devanandahowever, tripleo needs it for their story19:55
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devanandalucasagomes: ++19:55
lucasagomesthe driver can call the delete+deploy, but understand both actions as "redpeloy"19:55
devanandalucasagomes: new bug that you'll be interested in; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/127259919:56
devanandai had some time to chat with krow late on friday and he pointed that issue out19:56
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lucasagomeshmm will take a look19:57
lucasagomesdevananda, this only affects ironic!?19:58
NobodyCamtwo minute bell19:58
lucasagomesI bet it affects many other projects19:58
devanandalucasagomes: heh. probably affects other projects too ...19:58
lucasagomesour factory resources like is used by many others19:59
lucasagomesyea19:59
matty_dubsIs caching a POST RFC-legal?19:59
lucasagomesmatty_dubs, idk, I will google it19:59
lucasagomesbut that looks hmm, odd19:59
devanandayea19:59
matty_dubslucasagomes: Ah, I can. Was mostly just curious/surprised.19:59
NobodyCamThats time folks20:00
devanandalucasagomes: we also talked about 200 vs 201 vs 202 return codes20:00
devanandathanks everyone! see you next week :)20:00
devananda#endmeeting20:00
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lucasagomesdevananda, right... let's go to the channel20:00
NobodyCam:)20:00
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sarobSorry I'm late20:17
sarobMilk team here20:17
sarob?20:17
matty_dubsI don't think there's any meeting here at the moment.20:17
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matty_dubsI forgot to leave after the Ironic meeting which ended 15 minutes ago. No discussion has happened since then.20:18
sarobOkay thx20:18
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sarobAnyone from the milk Dev team online?20:21
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rkukurahi21:00
Swamihi all21:00
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SumitNaiksatamhi all!21:00
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markmcclain#startmeeting Networking21:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Jan 27 21:02:26 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:02
armaxhello21:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking'21:02
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markmcclain#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings21:03
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markmcclain#topic Announcements21:03
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markmcclain#info Feature Proposal Deadline is Feb 18th21:03
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salv-orlandoa slightly late aloha to everybody21:03
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markmcclainI-3 features must in review by end of day on the 18th21:03
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markmcclainthis will enable the team time to review21:04
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markmcclain#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-321:05
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markmcclain#topic Bugs21:05
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markmcclain#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress21:05
markmcclainWe have 6 critical bugs we're tracking21:05
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SukhdevHi21:06
markmcclainsalv-orlando has been working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/127338621:06
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salv-orlandosdague and russellb are actually doing the actual stuff (upgrading kernel in node pool and devstack)21:07
salv-orlandoI just limited myself to reading the logs ;)21:07
russellbyeah, it's a WIP ... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/6944521:07
russellbwe're going to start with doing it as a new experimental job so we can make sure the new kernel doesn't make the world explode21:08
russellbi have a few more infra pieces to change before we can light it up21:08
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marunis there any indication if a recent patch is causing this kernel issue to manifest?21:09
salv-orlandomarun: tried a few reverts with no luck, issue still occurring21:09
marunsalv-orlando: :(21:09
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marunstill, I suppose it's good motivation to stop running an ancient kernel in the gate.21:10
salv-orlandowe're shooting for a kernel issue now, but it should not be excluded an issue with utilities such as iputils21:10
russellbsalv-orlando: can you update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69448/ ?21:10
salv-orlandorussellb: sure21:11
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russellbso the kernel bug has been happening for as long as we have history in logstash (2 weeks)21:12
russellbso could have been going much longer21:12
markmcclainthat is my guess21:12
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salv-orlandoI checked a few occurrences (well just two) of bug 1254890 before 2014/01/15 and did not find kernel crashes21:13
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russellbsalv-orlando: ah..21:13
banixbye21:14
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salv-orlandoanyway, I don't want to sound rude, but perhaps it would be sufficient to say that everybody interested in helping us could jumo in either #openstack-infra, #openstack-qa, #openstack-neutron and #openstack-gate21:15
banixsorry wrong window.21:15
salv-orlandoas I guess there is also a need to move forward with the meeting agenda21:15
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markmcclainyeah coordinating on IRC will be super helpful21:16
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markmcclainmoving onto other bugs21:16
markmcclainhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/127021221:16
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markmcclainThere is a fix for this bug, but it is currently blocked by isolated job failures21:17
samuelbercovicihi21:17
markmcclainAny of the the other bugs we need discuss?21:17
salv-orlandojust to say darragh pushed and had merged a patch in tempest21:18
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salv-orlandorelated to bug 1253896 which raises the ping timeout to 120 seconds21:18
markmcclainok good to know21:18
salv-orlandothis will avoid the issue we sometimes see with the 1st dhcpdiscover being missed, and ping timing out because of this21:18
markmcclainnice21:19
salv-orlandoI'm sorry I don't know Darragh's IRC handle21:19
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sdagueis there any understanding on why the isolated jobs suddenly went to 70% fail rates?21:19
sdaguebecause they were working 2 weeks ago21:19
markmcclainno still have not identified the change that caused the breakage21:20
salv-orlandoI reverted a few commits, and could not single out a specific change. I'm not even sure it is a neutron change.21:20
salv-orlandojust saying, every time the neutron isolated job fails, the kernel bug is there.21:21
salv-orlandobut I don't have data to prove 100% correlation21:21
marunsalv-orlando: and does an upgraded kernel fix things?21:22
salv-orlandomarun: I found out this only on friday evening. Still did not have time to set up a new repro env. Other people from the community are helping here. See the patch russellb posted earlier during the meeting.21:22
marunsalv-orlando: ok21:23
markmcclainok.. we talk more about the kernel bug in the channel after the meeting21:23
markmcclainlet's keep moving for now21:23
markmcclain#topic Docs21:23
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markmcclainemagana: hi21:23
emaganahello!21:23
emaganamarkmcclain: Still working on HA at the moment21:24
emaganaWill update the wiki with the BP and Gerrit Commit21:24
markmcclainok21:24
markmcclainany other doc items to highlight?21:24
emaganaThere is a meeting organized by Doc team on 1/2921:25
emaganaI am planning to attend it21:25
markmcclaingreat21:25
SukhdevI had sent an email on Neutron API - this seems to fall into docs area21:25
emagananothing else from by side21:25
markmcclainemagana: thanks for updating21:25
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markmcclainSukhdev: the API docs do fall into that area21:25
EmilienMemagana: let me know if you need quick reviews21:26
markmcclain#topic Nova Parity21:26
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beagleshi21:26
emaganaEmilienM: will do!21:26
markmcclainbeagles: looks like you made lots of agenda updates21:26
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beaglesyes.. but unfortunately the were of the form of "nothing changed" and "not done" kind of deals21:26
beagleslast week was hectic for lots of folks for a variety of reasons (good ones)21:27
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beaglesbut we should be able to get some of this stuff nudged along this week21:27
markmcclaingreat21:27
Sukhdevmarkmcclain, emagana: perhaps the docs need to be updated to reflect the correct behavior of API usage21:27
annegentleSukhdev: have you logged a bug like these? https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bugs21:28
beaglesin the case of the bugs against API implementation we'll need to figure out how they fit in the current icehouse schedule.. while the code lives in nova repo, it will need a neutron resource to implement them21:28
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annegentleSukhdev: you can use the tag netconn-api21:28
markmcclainbeagles: right21:28
Sukhdevannegentle: will do - thanks21:29
emaganaSukhdev: all API miss configuration should follow up by bug in launchpad, feel free to add any to the wiki21:29
beaglesarosen has several irons in the fire already for that code so we'll likely be triaging in the truest sense of the word :)21:29
markmcclaintrue21:29
annegentleemagana: have you been able to meet with NickChase or others on the separate Networking guide start?21:29
beaglesbut nothing new besides21:30
markmcclainbeagles: thanks for updating21:30
annegentle(woops, sorry the topic already changed, emagana just let me know outside of the meeting, that's fine)21:30
emaganaannegentle: ok21:30
markmcclain#topic Tempest21:30
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markmcclainmlavalle: hi21:30
mlavalleHi21:30
markmcclainlooks like we have a bunch of open reviews21:30
mlavalleI want to highlight that all the tests in the api gap analysis have been claimed21:31
markmcclainthat's good news21:31
mlavalleevery topic has an owner now21:31
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mlavalleall the people trained in Montreal are actively contributing patchsets21:31
mlavalleso my priority over the ned few weeks is now code review and help them merge their code21:32
markmcclainthat's great news21:32
markmcclainAny tempest questions for mlavalle?21:32
HenryGSpecial thanks to mlavalle for training several people on how to write tempest tests.21:32
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mlavalleDo we have a limitation on the Neutron side to start merging Tempest code?21:32
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mlavalleHenryG: Thanks for your patchste> I reviewed yesterday21:33
markmcclainmlavalle: if the code passes gating then it should be eligible for merging21:33
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markmcclainif you're concerned that we need some neutron cores to take a look21:34
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markmcclainwe can work improving coverage21:34
mlavalleok, I'll take that message to the Tempest meeting on Thursday21:34
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mlavalleand as the code gets ready I will help for help for some reviews21:34
mlavalleask^^^^21:34
mlavallethat's all I have21:34
markmcclainmlavalle: thanks for update21:35
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markmcclain#topic L321:35
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markmcclainThis is a new report this week21:35
carl_baldwinNot much yet.21:35
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carl_baldwinInitial focus will be around building community around DVR/HA routers and building consensus.21:35
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carl_baldwinI've added a link to the subteam wiki from the Neutron meeting wiki page.21:35
carl_baldwinPlease review the link and contact me if you desire to participate as a part of this sub team.21:36
carl_baldwinOne question is how should this sub team relate to and interact with the established DVR sub team?21:36
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markmcclainI think that DVR is a specific use case21:36
mesterymarkmcclain: +1 to that21:37
markmcclainwhereas the L3 subteam is coordinating the bigger picture21:37
lifelesshow far away is DVR/HA routers? We're discussing that as a deliverable for the next tripleo iteration...21:37
lifelessand whether we do it within neutron or by layering something on top ?21:38
markmcclainlifeless: my current feeling is that it's not ready for merging in Icehouse21:38
SwamiWe are still in the process of refining the design21:38
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mesterylifeless: There is a meeting in 2 weeks around this in the bay area, there was a thread on the ML announcing it.21:38
Swamimay not be ready for Icehouse. We may have a WIP code by Icehouse 3 but will not be ready for Icehouse21:38
carl_baldwinHA routers has some code up but I have not reviewed its progress yet.21:39
lifelessjog0: ^ you might like to pop your head into that meeting21:39
carl_baldwink, that is all I have.21:39
dkehnNobodyCam: saw that, did something make it into the master21:39
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dkehnsorry wrong win21:40
SwamiFor DVR discussion we are planning to have a face to face meeting in the Bay on the Week of Feb 10th. If interested please send me an email.21:40
markmcclaincarl_baldwin: thanks for leading this subteam21:40
carl_baldwinGlad to help.21:40
markmcclain#topic IPv621:40
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markmcclainsc68cal: hi21:40
sc68calHello21:40
jog0lifeless: looking at email21:40
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sc68calI am currently working to address a concern by a Nova core who has -2'd the IPv6 hairpin fix21:40
sc68calThere appears to have been a race condition with using the utils.is_neutron function - so I am pivoting to use a config flag in nova.conf to enable/disable hairpin behavior on bridge interfaces21:41
jog0sc68cal: that was me21:41
* jog0 hates race conditions21:41
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sc68calHopefully we can avoid any race conditions by just using a config flag, lift the -2 from the core reviewer, and get this closed21:42
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sc68cal#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62599/21:42
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jog0sc68cal: I'll lift the -2 once I see the unit tests passing reliably (re: run recheck no bug a few times)21:42
sc68calWe also have reached a consensus on the two new attributes to add to Subnets, for v6 options21:42
sc68caljog0: Thank you21:43
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sc68cal#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-January/025573.html IPv6 subnet attributes21:43
sc68calInput from core devs would be appreciated21:43
sc68calI plan on updating the review I had that added one new attribute, to add the second21:44
markmcclainok.. I'll weigh in on the mailing list21:44
markmcclainAnything else to raise?21:44
sc68calNot at this point - thank you.21:45
markmcclainsc68cal: thanks for the update21:45
markmcclain#topic ML221:45
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markmcclainrkukura and mestery: hi21:45
mesteryhi21:45
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rkukurahi - go ahead mestery21:45
mesterySo, we've started tracking new ML2 MechanismDrivers which have been proposed in our weekly IRC meeting.21:45
mesteryWe encourage authors of those patches to please join the weekly ML2 IRC meeting to become aware of any ML2 changes affecting them.21:46
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markmcclaingreat21:46
mesteryWe're also finalzing some plans on port-binding now which will affect all MDs.21:46
mesteryHope to have this finalized by this week's meeting now.21:46
mesteryThose are the bigs things with ML2.21:47
markmcclainok21:47
markmcclainAny questions for ML2?21:47
mesteryThat's all for now, more detail in our Wednesday meeting21:47
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markmcclainmestery: thanks for updating21:47
rkukuraI've also been working with the PCI passthru / SR-IOV team who will be adding a new MechansimsDriver21:47
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markmcclainrkukura: cool21:48
markmcclain#topic VPN21:48
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markmcclainnati_ueno: hi21:48
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markmcclainwe have this review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58897/21:49
nati_uenook rajesh is working on agent implemenation21:49
nati_uenoalso21:49
nati_uenoyes. Hopefully, We can get two cores for that one21:49
markmcclainok was going to ask about the implementation21:49
markmcclainremember before we said that we wanted a working implementation to review alongside the API21:49
nati_uenoAh OK21:49
markmcclainwe can do code/API design reviews21:50
nati_uenoI got it. We will request review after we have working implementation.21:50
markmcclainbut it's nice to actually test end to end21:50
markmcclainok sounds good21:50
nati_uenoI agree21:50
nati_uenoI think we can make client and agent working until FF deadline,21:50
nati_uenoso hopefully, we can make ssl-vpn in icehouse21:51
markmcclainok21:51
markmcclain#topic FWaaS21:51
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markmcclainI know we said that we wanted to wait until after I-2 before activating FWaaS in the gate21:51
SumitNaiksatamhi21:51
SumitNaiksatamyeah, so SridarK has been working on testing that21:51
markmcclainuntil the isolation tests are working I think we probably want to defer21:51
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: ok sure21:52
SumitNaiksatamthe update is promising though21:52
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markmcclaingreat21:52
SumitNaiksatamso far he was able to run FWaaS and VPNaaS concurrently21:52
markmcclainah cool21:52
SumitNaiksatamwe had tried this before as well, but he did more manual tests now21:52
SumitNaiksatamwe are not making a final call on this yet21:52
SumitNaiksatambut i think we are looking good to propose this21:52
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markmcclainok21:53
SumitNaiksatammarkmcclain: so whenever its a good time, we can consider this21:53
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markmcclainok.. let's revisit this next week21:53
SumitNaiksatamother than that, we are still sitting on our two main patches - one for service type framework support, and21:53
SumitNaiksatamthe other one for the service insertion21:53
markmcclainlooks like both need some review attention21:54
SumitNaiksatamyeah, they haven't gotten much core tlc yet, but hopefully soon21:54
SumitNaiksatamafter all the other bigger issues with the gate and tests are resolved21:54
markmcclainyeah.. I think that makes sense21:54
SumitNaiksatamthats it from me21:54
markmcclainThanks for updating21:55
markmcclain#topic LBaaS21:55
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enikanorov_hi21:55
enikanorov_we get 3 major items on review - loadbalancer instance, ssl and l7 resources for lbaas api21:55
enikanorov_agreed to present implementation of l7 and ssl with haproxy21:55
enikanorov_yet to decide the way of securing communication between the server and the agent21:56
enikanorov_i've sent out an email to openstack-dev on this21:56
markmcclainok21:57
enikanorov_also, it would require to add ability to pass file name to CLI to upload the cert21:57
markmcclainright21:57
markmcclainAnything else?21:57
enikanorov_anyone welcome to review! :)21:58
markmcclain#topic General Discussion21:58
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samuelbercovicihi21:58
samuelbercovicithere is small change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/64139/21:58
enikanorov_right, we had a big discussion with jaypipes on that21:59
enikanorov_the bottom of the question is do we want service flavors in this form22:00
markmcclainI am not a big fan of this approach22:00
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salv-orlandoI think when I talked with a few other people on irc and gerrit about this specific patch, the bottom line is that it was a work-around to circumvent a limitation of the current provider mechanisms, which would need what enikanorov is saying for a proper fix22:00
enikanorov_markmcclain: could you suggest the alternative?22:00
markmcclainI'd like to see a proper flavor framework22:01
enikanorov_i mean that once we decided that providers are configuration-based object it would be hard to base db-based objects on top of providers22:01
salv-orlandoand I have expressed my opinion that we should strive to stop accepting workarounds which result in technical debt (because anything for which we say "it will be fixed later on" is technical debt I think)22:01
salv-orlandoso to cut a long story short I agree with markmcclain.22:01
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markmcclainsalv-orlando: +122:01
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emaganaI have a question about this commit: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/61663/  Is there anyone against this fix? Specially markmcclain and mestery, any ML2 concerns?22:02
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mesteryemagana: Checking22:02
enikanorov_markmcclain: salv-orlando: i'll be glad to move discussion to neutron channel22:02
mesteryemagana: Nope, I have even given it +2 in the past :)22:02
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emaganamestery: if you provide your +2 again I will approve it22:03
markmcclainemagana: I'd like to see rechecked by jenkins before approving22:03
emaganamarkmcclain: agree22:03
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samuelbercovicienikanorov_: markmcclain: salv-orlando: can we move to neutron channel to continue discussing this?22:03
markmcclainenikanorov_: that works22:03
markmcclainWe're at time for this week.. thanks for stopping by talk to everyone on the mailing list or IRC22:04
markmcclain#endmeeting22:04
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markmcclainsamuelbercovici: I've got about 10-15min22:04
nati_uenobye!22:04
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