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| bauzas | #startmeeting climate | 09:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 25 09:59:51 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bauzas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: climate)" | 09:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'climate' | 09:59 |
| bauzas | morning all | 10:00 |
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| bauzas | who's there ? | 10:00 |
| scroiset | \o/ | 10:00 |
| DinaBelova | o/ | 10:00 |
| DinaBelova | hello, guys | 10:00 |
| bauzas | Hi | 10:00 |
| scroiset | Hi Dina | 10:00 |
| bauzas | I had no news about Francois, he's probably still ooo | 10:01 |
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| bauzas | as he was at the SC 2013 expo | 10:01 |
| bauzas | hi Nikolay_St | 10:01 |
| DinaBelova | ok, see it | 10:01 |
| bauzas | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Climate#Agenda_for_November.2C_25 | 10:02 |
| bauzas | today I'll host the chair | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | and we have no special agenda, I suppose | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | today, I mean | 10:02 |
| bauzas | nope, reviewed it | 10:02 |
| DinaBelova | ok, see it in our chanel | 10:02 |
| bauzas | as said, any other concerns should be raised during the "open" topic | 10:03 |
| bauzas | so | 10:03 |
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| bauzas | #topic action items from last meeting | 10:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: climate)" | 10:03 | |
| DinaBelova | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-11-18-10.04.html | 10:03 |
| bauzas | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-11-18-10.04.html | 10:03 |
| bauzas | was faster than you :) | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | mmm, I see otherwise :D | 10:03 |
| bauzas | let's go by action item/person | 10:03 |
| DinaBelova | ok | 10:04 |
| bauzas | so, I made a few comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52296 | 10:04 |
| bauzas | Nikolay_St also had action for rebasing it | 10:04 |
| bauzas | he did | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | I see Nikolay has only rebased it | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 10:04 |
| bauzas | yup, Nikolay_St, had you time to review my comments ? | 10:04 |
| DinaBelova | Nikolay, will you please fix comments? | 10:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 10:05 |
| DinaBelova | Ok, I suppose we may create action item for Nikolay | 10:05 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, hello | 10:05 |
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| bauzas | I'm sorry, we have terrible Internet connection at our office in Grenoble | 10:06 |
| bauzas | sure | 10:06 |
| bauzas | so I won't be able to quickly glance at the reviews | 10:06 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, yes, that's always a problem | 10:06 |
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| Nikolay_St | bauzas: yeap | 10:06 |
| Nikolay_St | I'll do it in few days | 10:06 |
| bauzas | #action Nikolay_St Review comments from bauzas on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52296 and amend patch | 10:06 |
| Nikolay_St | I'm close to end with tests | 10:07 |
| bauzas | cool | 10:07 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: your actions ? | 10:07 |
| bauzas | POC using shelved instances ? | 10:07 |
| DinaBelova | yes, let's go to them | 10:07 |
| bauzas | had you time for looking at it ? | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | there was no time to it... | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | so other two action items are done/in progress | 10:08 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:08 |
| DinaBelova | as for POC, I will do it after oslo.messaging intergation | 10:08 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | or Nikolay will do it himself in case he will end up with his current tasks quicker | 10:09 |
| bauzas | ok | 10:09 |
| Nikolay_St | yeap | 10:09 |
| Nikolay_St | I think I'll end soon | 10:09 |
| bauzas | #agreed POC on shelved instances to be done after oslo.messaging BP | 10:09 |
| DinaBelova | Nikolay_St, as for your action atimes | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | items*** | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | wow, keyboard wants to kill me | 10:10 |
| bauzas | well, Nikolay_St only had action to rebase previous patch | 10:10 |
| DinaBelova | yes, and that's it | 10:10 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:10 |
| Nikolay_St | yeap | 10:11 |
| bauzas | let's talk about proc/cons | 10:11 |
| bauzas | of triggering Openstack releases for Climate | 10:11 |
| bauzas | I think that's a bit early for discussing that | 10:11 |
| bauzas | we need to see our velocity | 10:11 |
| bauzas | ie. we can agree to aim to deliver for icehouse-2 | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | I suppose we have already started using them (while BPs assignment and time management) - at least in terms of bugs and BPs | 10:12 |
| bauzas | and target blueprints accordingly | 10:12 |
| SergeyLukjanov | i1 will be 1.5 weeks, i2 is in 2 months | 10:12 |
| DinaBelova | i1 is impossible for something really working | 10:13 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | bauzas, agreed, i2 looks ok to have first release | 10:13 |
| bauzas | yup, but all, please keep in mind that should be a temptative attempt | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | i2 is better | 10:13 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:13 |
| Nikolay_St | +1 to Dina | 10:13 |
| bauzas | we have a few iteams for i-1 | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | we have several i1 dates | 10:13 |
| bauzas | yup, | 10:13 |
| DinaBelova | in launchpad | 10:13 |
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| bauzas | do we agree to postpone them to i2 ? | 10:14 |
| bauzas | just for clarification ? | 10:14 |
| DinaBelova | but all of them are about critical bugs/bps for critical discussion | 10:14 |
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| bauzas | DinaBelova: as said, that doesn't mean we can't deliver for i1 | 10:14 |
| bauzas | I would say let's see what happens with the deliverables | 10:14 |
| bauzas | target i2 for Climate v0.1 | 10:15 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bauzas, what's the profit to keep i1 w/o releasing it? | 10:15 |
| bauzas | that's a good question | 10:15 |
| DinaBelova | I think first we won't have release on i1 | 10:15 |
| bauzas | I target i1 for a few BPs just saying these ones should be delivered to trunk during i1 | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | but there are several things that should be merged, etc. for i1 date | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | the same thing | 10:16 |
| bauzas | to me, there are 2 things to consider : | 10:16 |
| bauzas | 1/ we have a rolling delivery about BPs and bugfixes to trunk | 10:16 |
| bauzas | 2/ we tag a special release for Climate | 10:16 |
| DinaBelova | It seems to me we may leave these already created i1 things as is | 10:17 |
| DinaBelova | Cannot catch 2/ | 10:17 |
| DinaBelova | May you explain? | 10:17 |
| bauzas | that's what I would call Climate v0.1 | 10:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | not i1, i2, but 0.1 for example | 10:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | in the middle of iX | 10:17 |
| Nikolay_St | SergeyLukjanov: you mean between i1 and i2? | 10:17 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, do you want v0.1 for i2? Or just separated line of releases? | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | Like SergeyLukjanov said? | 10:18 |
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| bauzas | 0.1 for i2 yes | 10:18 |
| bauzas | ie. having a special tag release | 10:18 |
| Nikolay_St | and so 0.x for i3? | 10:18 |
| bauzas | possibly yes, possible not | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | I suppose, Sylvain, that's ok | 10:18 |
| DinaBelova | but Sergey meant something else | 10:19 |
| DinaBelova | i think | 10:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | bauzas, I've proposed it on prev meeting and you was on the side of following OpenStack release process ;) | 10:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | there are several options I see now | 10:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and several input params for it | 10:19 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: that's exactly why we're discussing now :D | 10:19 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | first of all the scope for "0.1" | 10:19 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it should be at least one working "reference" plugin excluding fake one | 10:20 |
| bauzas | if we consider 0.1, we would need to tag BPs accordingly | 10:20 |
| SergeyLukjanov | one cons for using iX as some first release - tarballs will not be uploaded to pypi | 10:20 |
| bauzas | ie. saying for 0.1, you will find all of these features | 10:20 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: interesting | 10:20 |
| DinaBelova | One quick moment, I'm ready to manage releases for every decided point | 10:21 |
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| DinaBelova | whatever we'll decide here now | 10:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO 0.1, 0.1.X, [0.2,] Icehouse is the best option for climate | 10:21 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to have some tarballs published to pypi | 10:21 |
| DinaBelova | SergeyLukjanov, agree | 10:21 |
| bauzas | agree | 10:22 |
| scroiset | agree | 10:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | and make releases when something will be ready | 10:22 |
| Nikolay_St | +1 | 10:22 |
| bauzas | scroiset: ? | 10:22 |
| scroiset | +1 | 10:22 |
| DinaBelova | I've had a look on how Savanna is working with releases and this way seems to be nicest one | 10:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we used it before the incubation | 10:22 |
| SergeyLukjanov | to be much more flexible to release new features | 10:22 |
| bauzas | #agreed Climate releases 0.1, .., 0.X to be considered during Icehouse release | 10:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | we can discuss dates and probably adjust them with iX | 10:23 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | release | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | and I think that's comfortable for un-incubated projects, yes | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | ok, great | 10:23 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:23 |
| DinaBelova | so now we have only open discussions left | 10:23 |
| bauzas | we just need to scope Climate 0.1 | 10:23 |
| SergeyLukjanov | yep | 10:23 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: nope | 10:23 |
| bauzas | #action Scope Climate 0.1 | 10:24 |
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| DinaBelova | Is that for now or for further discussions? | 10:24 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | the best option is to have one virt and one hardware reservation plugins | 10:24 |
| bauzas | let's just review 2nd topic | 10:24 |
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| bauzas | #topic high priority issues | 10:25 |
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| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57650/ is just rebased | 10:25 |
| bauzas | oops | 10:25 |
| bauzas | s/rebased/patchsett'd | 10:25 |
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| DinaBelova | and tests added, yes | 10:25 |
| bauzas | #action bauzas Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57650/ by this week | 10:25 |
| DinaBelova | ok, I think this context staff we may merge soon | 10:26 |
| DinaBelova | in case there will be nothing to add | 10:26 |
| bauzas | sure | 10:26 |
| bauzas | there was only a typo | 10:26 |
| bauzas | to me | 10:26 |
| bauzas | should be merged by today if no objections | 10:26 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57200/ | 10:26 |
| bauzas | policy management | 10:26 |
| bauzas | I'm nearly done with it | 10:27 |
| DinaBelova | I'm going to take a look on it today | 10:27 |
| bauzas | there is still a typo in the policy.json I delivered | 10:27 |
| DinaBelova | and leave comments if find something | 10:27 |
| bauzas | and I also need to add an extra method get_admin_roles() | 10:27 |
| bauzas | for implementing the elevated() method in the context | 10:27 |
| DinaBelova | Ok, I see that in the commit message | 10:28 |
| bauzas | that's not hard work | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | btw, masterofuniverse is nice role | 10:28 |
| bauzas | so we don't need an is_admin flag | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | I had much fun reading it | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | ok, i think | 10:28 |
| DinaBelova | we should also review/merge that by the end of this week | 10:29 |
| DinaBelova | because policies are quite important | 10:29 |
| bauzas | #action bauzas Deliver last patchset for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57200/ by eob today | 10:29 |
| DinaBelova | never say last for patchsets :D | 10:30 |
| bauzas | any other high priority issues to discuss ? | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | I suppose no | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | that's it | 10:30 |
| bauzas | if not, let's move to open discussion | 10:30 |
| bauzas | #topic open discussion | 10:30 |
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| DinaBelova | I have nothing to add | 10:30 |
| DinaBelova | if we speak about extra topics | 10:31 |
| bauzas | well, I'll open a bug for the exceptions management | 10:31 |
| DinaBelova | to discuss | 10:31 |
| DinaBelova | bauzas, ok | 10:31 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Unfortunately we don't have some final words from Duncan on that ML thread. So I still don't think it's wise to purge is_admin just because. | 10:31 |
| bauzas | #action bauzas Open a bug for exception handling with code | 10:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58152/ auto updates for requirements | 10:31 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Oh, not Duncan, but Dolph. | 10:32 |
| SergeyLukjanov | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57675/ climate channel logging | 10:32 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: what I can propose is to add a get_admin_roles() from policies management | 10:32 |
| bauzas | so we could put all the admin roles in the roles[] list if elevated() | 10:33 |
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| bauzas | the policy.json file I will propose won't make use of the is_admin flag | 10:33 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: The point is that we don't have a way to get all roles that can be treated as admin roles because it can even be one separate admin role for every call. | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | but still they have different meanings | 10:33 |
| DinaBelova | yes | 10:33 |
| bauzas | yup | 10:33 |
| bauzas | what I can say is that the policy handler will provide if necessary a list of roles given by policy.json | 10:34 |
| bauzas | that's it | 10:34 |
| bauzas | based on the context_is_admin rule in policy.json | 10:34 |
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| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: good initiative for logging :) | 10:35 |
| YorikSar | bauzas: Oh... That sounds hacky... | 10:35 |
| DinaBelova | YorikSar, what do you think about it? | 10:35 |
| bauzas | SergeyLukjanov: I gave a +1 | 10:35 |
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| YorikSar | bauzas: Ok, let's move this discussion out of this meeting. | 10:35 |
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| bauzas | well, as Dolph said, we need to define a rule in policy.json saying which roles do have admin rights | 10:35 |
| DinaBelova | we all did it i think :D for Sergey's commits :) | 10:35 |
| DinaBelova | ok, do we something else to discuss? | 10:36 |
| bauzas | YorikSar: ok, let's discuss that on the regular channel | 10:36 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: I don't think so | 10:36 |
| bauzas | thanks all | 10:36 |
| DinaBelova | ok, bye! | 10:36 |
| bauzas | DinaBelova: I'll send the email about minutes | 10:36 |
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| bauzas | you ok ? | 10:36 |
| DinaBelova | ok, sure | 10:36 |
| bauzas | cool thanks | 10:36 |
| bauzas | thanks buddies | 10:37 |
| bauzas | #endmeeting | 10:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 25 10:37:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-11-25-09.59.html | 10:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-11-25-09.59.txt | 10:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/climate/2013/climate.2013-11-25-09.59.log.html | 10:37 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 25 16:00:08 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:00 |
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| akuznetsov | hi | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's start our weekly meeting | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Previous Action Items | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | We didn't assign any major action items last week actually | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | we had 3 minor AIs and they're all done I believe (bluprints priorities and so on). | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | I'd like to provide just a quick update on the activities that have been going on | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current activities | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | So basically, we started working on PoC last week | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | which is going to include very basic functionality: simple DSL (tasks, actions, events), simple REST API and simple non-HA Workflow Execution (the thing that's responsible for running workflows) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | we came up with a simple design for POC at this point that we're going to start discussing with the community this week | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | We also shared the first version of Mistral API at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MistralAPISpecification | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | and we invite everyone to comment on this | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | I believe we'll publish our first DSL specification in 1-2 days too at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MistralDSLSpecification | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | it's now almost empty | 16:10 |
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| akuznetsov | I hope it will be tomorrow | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | cool | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | So if anyone has any questions we can discuss it right now | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | basically, our agenda for today is to talk about API/DSL and PoC design | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | btw, we're targeting to get PoC done around Dec 10th | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Discuss PoC design, API spec | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | #info you now can find all the Mistral etherpads on the wiki at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral#Etherpads | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | jaypipes, do you have some questions that you'd like to discuss? | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, does anyone have anything to ask/discuss? | 16:20 |
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| akuznetsov | Do we need include a predefined list of action into our dsl like Nova instances creation? | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | that's a good question | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | initially we thought that actions (associated with tasks) should be as generic as possible | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | and only include things like "send HTTP request", "send AMQP message" | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | and things like that | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | and there was a concern about including anything like Nova and other more high-level things because it may become a pile of different specific things | 16:28 |
| akuznetsov | adding such action allows better integration with OpenStack and people will not reinvent bicycles for such types of actions | 16:28 |
| stanlagun | this depends on how exectly you gonna add them | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | options? | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | I personally tend to think we may want to add something like nova api out of the box | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | just to make the product more valueable for consumers | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | but I think we should understand the scope of that | 16:30 |
| stanlagun | There is no "code" in Mistral Actions, it cannot execute arbgitrary Python code. So I don't see how Python client can be referenced from Mistral workflow | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | we should not try to include whatever may be included | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | well, for our actions we could, for example, write something like: nova.createVM(…) | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | the alternative is to manually send HTTP requests to nova by specifying URLs and their parameters | 16:32 |
| stanlagun | For now it inough that clietn app can use it. In the future we may try implement more sophisticated DSL with universal REST API client or something like that | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, that was one of the interesting ideas that we had but postponed for a while | 16:32 |
| stanlagun | rakhmerov: How do you implement authentication, dynamic URI schema etc& | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun, we could have everything we need as action properties | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | one way or another, it could be done in DSL | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | the question is "Do we really want it?" | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | we thought that additional things like that might be implemented as: | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 1) Plugins | 16:34 |
| stanlagun | I don't think we can. Suppose that URL for method 2 contains something that is obtained from a call to method 1. How do you describe it in DSL? | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | 2) Additional frameworks/toolsets on top of Mistral | 16:35 |
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| stanlagun | The root problem is how to reference that code (be it built-in or plugin) from DSL | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | some sort of a namespace inroduced by a plugin I think | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | i.e., nova:createVM() | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | where nova: namespace has been added by a plugin | 16:36 |
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| stanlagun | Looks like a suggestion to write another programming language | 16:36 |
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| akuznetsov | stanlagun do you really what that everyone how will use Mistral and invoke Nova should write his own an actions? | 16:37 |
| stanlagun | you will also need parameter passing, data manipulation, branching, loops, variables etc. | 16:37 |
| stanlagun | akuznetsov: I haven't seen a way to do otherwise. Prove me wrong | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | in some form we might need all these things moving forward :) But we need to keep in mind that for vast majority of use cases DSL should be very very simple | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | otherwise nobody will be willing to use it | 16:40 |
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| stanlagun | The whole idea was that actions are in user's app. Doing something with Nova is an action. Users don't have to reinvent it as nova-client does all the authomation | 16:41 |
| stanlagun | Anyway if you have an idea how to describe such actions in DSL we can discuss it | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yes, I'm kinda in the middle here.. On one hand I agree with you, stanlagun, because we can compicate DSL drastically if we start adding lots of additional things | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | on the other hand, for some reason, I think we won't be able to avoid adding additional APIs like Nova in our DSL in the future | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | some people have already asked us about it | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | "Will we be able to call some core openstack APIs directly from a workflow?" | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | just not to worry about applications handling these plain HTTP request actions | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | it's like an additional unnecesary link in a chain for them | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | I would suggest we approach this problem in an evolutionary manner | 16:46 |
| akuznetsov | rakhmerov agree with you | 16:46 |
| stanlagun | I don't see it as a big problem supposed that addition of another action is straightforward and everything is already written in a form of python-clients. This is definitely simpler than turning DSL into programming language | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, right, 100% agree but | 16:47 |
| stanlagun | Again, I'm not against it. It is just nobody sad how | 16:47 |
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| stanlagun | ...said how | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | but to give control to pieces of code that works with python client we need to expose an endpoint first or start listening rabbit or whatever | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | having these capabilities right in DSl we woudn't need to expose anything in many cases | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | stanlagun, as far as "how", I personally don't see the whole picture too right now | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | but we didn't really think much on that | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | at least it seems to me (I didn't for sure) | 16:50 |
| stanlagun | Yes. But what is simper - one line call to Mistral client library that does all the plumbing to listen for actions or coding all the callis in another DSL programming language from scratch? | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | not sure what you meant here | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | client library? | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, got it, ok | 16:50 |
| stanlagun | Client apps need to listen to RabbitMQ, accept action calls etc. It can be automated. By us | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | that sounds good but I'm just not sure it's going to be one line. Just would love to see what it will look like | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | yes, understood | 16:51 |
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| stanlagun | I suggest we return to this as soon as someone has a clear understanding on how to implement it on server-side | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | something like: mistral_client.register_action_handler("create_vm", do_create_vm), where "do_create_vm" is a function to call on that action | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsov, what do you think? | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | Stan, I would agree with it for now | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | I would prefer if we get there first | 16:54 |
| stanlagun | this is not enaugh. You need to say what VM, pass additional parameters, make additional calls. This is not one-liner | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | just to have something working | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | yes, it was just a rough example, but the whole idea is like that | 16:55 |
| stanlagun | the devil in details | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | we pass a callback while registering an action handler | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | yep, right | 16:55 |
| akuznetsov | I opion that is too complicate for enduser | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | maybe | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I think we need to try to design how it may look like | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | #action Design how additional APIs may can be injected into DSL (i.e. Nova) | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #action Design how Mistral client library may look like | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we need to wrap up, let's continue next week | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | thanks! | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 25 16:59:58 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-11-25-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-11-25-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2013/mistral.2013-11-25-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #strartmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 25 19:01:02 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | welcome all to the Ironc meeting | 19:01 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:01 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:01 |
| lucasagomes | hey | 19:01 |
| yuriyz | hi | 19:01 |
| shadower | hola | 19:01 |
| dkehn | o/ | 19:01 |
| ctracey | hey | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | The agenda can ofc be found at: | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | #toplic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:01 |
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| NobodyCam | hey all :) | 19:02 |
| devananda | #topic Greetings, roll-call, and announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Greetings, roll-call, and announcements (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:02 | |
| NobodyCam | ok any notes / announcemmeta | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | lol toplic dosen't work | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | hehw | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | #topic integration and testing | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "integration and testing (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:03 | |
| NobodyCam | romcheg: any updates here | 19:04 |
| lucasagomes | ahh no in-progress action items?! | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | hehehe | 19:04 |
| romcheg | NobodyCam: There are some updates | 19:04 |
| romcheg | Most of the "third party" patches are merged | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | w00t :) | 19:04 |
| romcheg | s/most/all/g | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | just one thing, last week I said I would map some code/bugs to be ported from nova bm to ironic I started mapping them at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard (at the bottom) | 19:05 |
| romcheg | Two patches left: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53917/ and #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48109/ | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | great :) | 19:05 |
| romcheg | The first one Adds the jobs to infra config. Apparently it won't land until clarkb finished his refactoring | 19:06 |
| ctracey | lucasagomes, those are the ones listed at the bottom? | 19:06 |
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| lucasagomes | ctracey, yes | 19:06 |
| ctracey | ok cool, thanks | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | I have a update on the nova driver | 19:07 |
| romcheg | I plan to make the jobs non-voting to be able to safely add them to tempest in order to test 48109 properly | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | I put up a new nova-ironic dib element in my git hub. this element pulls patch set 3 of the ironic nova driver. https://github.com/NoBodyCam/ironic-element | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://github.com/NoBodyCam/ironic-element | 19:08 |
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| devananda | romcheg: let's start with non-gating for ironic, as you say, but plan to move them to be gating quickly | 19:09 |
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| NobodyCam | I made some changes to FakePower (that are not yet ready) tnat will allow fake driver to go thru a deploy | 19:09 |
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| devananda | romcheg: by "non-voting" you mean voting +1/-1, but not gating, I assume | 19:09 |
| romcheg | devananda: yes | 19:09 |
| devananda | romcheg: :) | 19:10 |
| romcheg | I planned to make them voting | 19:10 |
| devananda | romcheg: so yes, let's start with that, and once we see that it works (few days, maybe a week) move them to gating (for ironic only, ofc) | 19:10 |
| romcheg | However it's not safe to ass voting Ironic jobs to infra | 19:10 |
| romcheg | g/ass/add/g | 19:10 |
| devananda | right | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg: I would vote for non-voting as forst step | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | first | 19:11 |
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| devananda | NobodyCam: you mean non-gating | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | yes... but I think I have heard the term non-voting | 19:11 |
| ctracey | we have used voting/non-gating on other projects, and that has worked well | 19:11 |
| ctracey | fwiw | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:12 |
| romcheg | devananda: It should be non-voting because it will -1 every patch to tempest if it doesn't work | 19:12 |
| romcheg | *otherwise | 19:12 |
| devananda | romcheg: it shouldn't be enabled in the general tempest pipeline | 19:12 |
| romcheg | devananda: that's a good idea | 19:13 |
| romcheg | I will put it to the experimental pipeline to tempest | 19:13 |
| romcheg | Then I will be able to make in voting/gating from the beginning | 19:13 |
| devananda | romcheg: isn't there a flag to enable/disable it? | 19:13 |
| devananda | romcheg: that flag defaults to 0. that's fine. in the ironic pipeline, we'll flip that flag on | 19:14 |
| devananda | yea. there is this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/48109/6/tempest/config.py default=False | 19:14 |
| romcheg | devananda: Yes, it's desabled | 19:15 |
| romcheg | But to test the tests in this patch we need to enable that flag | 19:15 |
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| romcheg | That's what the new jobs in 53917 are | 19:16 |
| devananda | and this, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53899/6/devstack-vm-gate-wrap.sh, which defaults DEVSTACK_GATE_IRONIC=0 | 19:16 |
| romcheg | for | 19:16 |
| devananda | romcheg: exactly | 19:16 |
| romcheg | The new jobs I introduces set DEVSTACK_GATE_IRONIC to 1 | 19:16 |
| romcheg | I'm going to add those jobs to the expetimental pipeline in tempest | 19:17 |
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| romcheg | That will allow us to test the API tests | 19:17 |
| devananda | romcheg: AIUI, that will enable the tempest tests for ironic in the ironic check and gate pipelines only | 19:17 |
| romcheg | It won't if I add it to the experimental pipeline | 19:18 |
| devananda | i mean, the patches you have now will ^ | 19:18 |
| romcheg | They will do that for Iroic | 19:19 |
| romcheg | But we need to do that for tempest | 19:19 |
| devananda | let's not add something to tempest's pipe. | 19:19 |
| devananda | why? | 19:19 |
| romcheg | To test changes to Ironic tests | 19:19 |
| devananda | oh. gotcha | 19:19 |
| romcheg | There is a special pipeline for that | 19:20 |
| devananda | cause you can't see the tempest test changes in ironic's test pipeline. of course. | 19:20 |
| devananda | cool | 19:20 |
| romcheg | It allows to run some jobs by posting "check experimental" | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) great romcheg want a action item? | 19:21 |
| romcheg | I do! | 19:21 |
| romcheg | ^) | 19:21 |
| romcheg | Ok, I tool too much of the time now, sorry | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | #action enable ironic in experimental pipeline | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | #action ( romcheg ) enable ironic in experimental pipeline | 19:21 |
| dkehn | NobodyCam: Neutron/nova interation discussion time? | 19:22 |
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| NobodyCam | dkehn: sure | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Nova / neutron | 19:22 |
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| dkehn | ok, 1st q: what level of support does Ironic need | 19:22 |
| dkehn | one possibility full https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/network/api.py support | 19:22 |
| dkehn | or not | 19:23 |
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| dkehn | cue crickets | 19:23 |
| * devananda skims api | 19:23 | |
| NobodyCam | sorry was looking at the link | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | I kinda think we'll need the full api. | 19:24 |
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| dkehn | I'm assigning that Nova will be nowhere | 19:24 |
| devananda | dkehn: is that the n-net api or the neutron api (or are they the same)? | 19:24 |
| dkehn | sma | 19:24 |
| dkehn | same | 19:24 |
| devananda | k | 19:24 |
| dkehn | so basically it packages up a request and sends to the neutron API | 19:25 |
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| NobodyCam | we could prob do with out the dns functions | 19:25 |
| devananda | dkehn: so, at least for now, we can assume nova is still in the picture | 19:25 |
| dkehn | see the __init__.py where it gets the API for nuetron | 19:25 |
| dkehn | oh ok | 19:25 |
| devananda | we're trying not to rewrite nova :) | 19:25 |
| dkehn | that will changes things a bit then we could go that route | 19:25 |
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| devananda | dkehn: the interaction we need is that the PXE driver in particular needs to do certain things | 19:26 |
| dkehn | instead of implementing the network (at least for neutron) in Ironic | 19:26 |
| dkehn | sure | 19:26 |
| devananda | dkehn: that nova doesn't know about. like manage the DHCP BOOT response, and associate an IP on a separate network for deployment, temporarily | 19:26 |
| devananda | dkehn: so the neutron interaction is going to be coming from the PXE driver layer, not eg. the ironic ConductorManager layer | 19:27 |
| NobodyCam | GheRivero: any in put on this ^^ | 19:27 |
| dkehn | ok, that seems like we haven't talked about that yet, still mulling it over | 19:27 |
| dkehn | GheRivero: does your PXE drive handle something like this? | 19:28 |
| GheRivero | looking at the nova-ironic driver, most of the network will be do still by nova. We (ironic) wwill mostly need a way to manage the dhcp_opts | 19:28 |
| devananda | NobodyCam, lucasagomes, and lifeless and I talked last week about some different ways we can initiate (re)mapping of nova instance <-> ironic condcutor <-> neutron dhcp_opts | 19:28 |
| dkehn | GheRivero: we talked about that previous;ly , in that putting it into the module/pxe.py | 19:28 |
| devananda | what came out of that is this BP | 19:28 |
| devananda | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/instance-mapping-by-consistent-hash | 19:28 |
| dkehn | what is in the nova/virt/baremetal/pxe.py today | 19:29 |
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| NobodyCam | GheRivero: we will need to create and associate deploy networks and ips | 19:29 |
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| wh | Need to cover non-pxe driver as well | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | on the ironic white board etherpad there's also some notes related to consistent hashing | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 19:30 |
| devananda | tl;dr -- each Conductor will know what instances it is responsible for, and needs to set the neutron dhcp_opts for those instances to point to its own IP for TFTP | 19:30 |
| devananda | wh: non-pxe drivers may or may not need neutron integration for DHCP BOOT | 19:30 |
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| dkehn | so in the context of the conductor it will know its netwrok that it needs the PXE boot setup for (tftp server, etc.) | 19:31 |
| wh | Can neutron today asign a ip address for a bare-metal node with non-pxe driver? | 19:31 |
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| devananda | wh: put another way, only the PXE driver needs to manage PXE booting | 19:32 |
| devananda | wh: today, the only other driver in nova-baremetal is Tilera. IIRC, it uses NFS + SSH for booting, not DHCP, so Neutron isn't involved at that layer at all | 19:32 |
| dkehn | such that when is call neutron (or nova) it has enough knowledge for the request info | 19:32 |
| devananda | wh: neutron still assigns the *tenant* IP, of course | 19:32 |
| NobodyCam | dkehn: conductor will know that it is responsible for a node, and it will know its own ip | 19:33 |
| wh | I am thinking about virtual media | 19:33 |
| dkehn | k | 19:33 |
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| NobodyCam | pxe will have a block of deploy ips it can use (atp, deva am I saying that correctly) | 19:33 |
| devananda | dkehn: there is some glue we are workig on - that BP attempts to explain it - so that, for any instance that Nova is trying to boot, the Ironic PXE driver will know what DHCP_OPTS need to be sent to Neutron for that instance's deploy to work | 19:34 |
| devananda | dkehn: as far as the integration with neutron, i think we only need a way for the PXE driver to send that info to neutron directly | 19:35 |
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| dkehn | ok, so that into is going to be tuxked awayin the module/pxe.py, or should be | 19:35 |
| devananda | dkehn: i /think/ we're going to remove that from Nova. NobodyCam, amirite? | 19:35 |
| devananda | dkehn: right -- ironic/drivers/modules/pxe.py | 19:35 |
| dkehn | right | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | running short on time anything elese here? | 19:36 |
| dkehn | so we are back to the original question of integrating to neutron - there is an eample in nova - is that the right track? and what do we need - of course the plumbing will be required | 19:36 |
| devananda | wh: same thing. Point is that a virtual media based deployment driver will not need to set special DHCP BOOT options in neutron. so it won't need this particular bit of integration with neutron, which is why we're removing it from the common code in nova/virt/drivers/ironic.py | 19:36 |
| GheRivero | i think only a small fraction of the api will be needed | 19:37 |
| devananda | GheRivero: ++ | 19:37 |
| dkehn | GheRivero: agreed | 19:37 |
| GheRivero | - manage dhcp_options | 19:37 |
| dkehn | I guess in the shortterm we ned the plumbing and then the API will be a living thing | 19:37 |
| GheRivero | - and deployment ip? | 19:38 |
| dkehn | plumbing logic would be small , neutron only? | 19:38 |
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| devananda | dkehn: i can help post-meeting go through the nova network API and figure out what we need | 19:38 |
| dkehn | devananda: k | 19:38 |
| GheRivero | if a conductor dies, i guess the deployment network also changes | 19:38 |
| dkehn | devananda: note meeting day for me maybe later, later | 19:38 |
| devananda | dkehn: ok. ping me or, better yet, send me a gcal invite for when you have time | 19:39 |
| dkehn | awesome | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | great :) | 19:39 |
| dkehn | me likey | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | action itme? | 19:39 |
| GheRivero | :) | 19:39 |
| devananda | #action dkehn and devananda to iron out what nova-network-like API bits are needed in ironic/drivers/modules/pxe.py | 19:39 |
| dkehn | hit me baby | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:39 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: moving on? | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | #topic python-ironicclient | 19:40 |
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| NobodyCam | just need to think of how the driver can start a deploy | 19:40 |
| devananda | ahh right | 19:41 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: we should probably create a similar API to how we change power state | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | yes, we need to offer something in the lib | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | a method call where he can do some node.deploy() | 19:41 |
| NobodyCam | :) or set_deploy | 19:42 |
| NobodyCam | *start_deploy | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | yea | 19:42 |
| devananda | so we also need to think about other driver interfaces | 19:42 |
| devananda | how do we initiate things like | 19:42 |
| devananda | - tear down | 19:42 |
| devananda | - start console | 19:42 |
| devananda | - rescue | 19:42 |
| devananda | - migrate | 19:43 |
| devananda | etc | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: +++ console is needed for parody | 19:43 |
| devananda | we will need deploy&teardown and start/stop_console for Icehouse | 19:43 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:43 |
| devananda | others are long term but worth keeping in mind | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | yes we need also to expose a way where we can validate such interfaces | 19:43 |
| lucasagomes | before triggering the deploy | 19:43 |
| NobodyCam | :) oh yes | 19:44 |
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| yuriyz | +1 lucas, your patch? | 19:44 |
| NobodyCam | so some thing like validate_deploy & start_deploy | 19:44 |
| yuriyz | for validation | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | I will do some work on that, I had a patch (which is now abandoned) that do it (kinda) | 19:44 |
| lucasagomes | yuriyz, yes, I will revive that patch | 19:44 |
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| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: action item? | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, please :) | 19:45 |
| devananda | so we have now PUT /v1/node/XXX/state/power VALUE | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | #action lucasagomes look in to adding validate and start deploy methods to ironic Client | 19:46 |
| devananda | i think that's sufficient for other states, eg, state/deploy and state/console | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | ok to move on? | 19:46 |
| devananda | ya | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API discussion | 19:46 |
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| lucasagomes | ahn on the API side, I did some refactor in our resources | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | to use WSME custom types and complex types validation and remove a lot of the complexity we had before | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | patches are upstream waiting for review | 19:47 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: i need to finish reviewing your WSME patch. got some done friday, but didn't finish | 19:47 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, ah thanks :) | 19:47 |
| yuriyz | lifeless -2 on https://review.openstack.org/56612 | 19:48 |
| lifeless | yuriyz: I did | 19:49 |
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| yuriyz | I add some comments | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | any comments on vender_passthru | 19:50 |
| devananda | yuriyz: i also don't like exposing /vendor_passthru/ publicly without auth | 19:50 |
| lifeless | yuriyz: oh, I see | 19:50 |
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| lifeless | yuriyz: sounds like a keystone bug :) | 19:50 |
| lifeless | whatever the needs we have, it won't be unique. We should share it by doing it right, once - in keystone. | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | so if not using the kernel cmd, there's any other way we can use to pass it to the deploy ramdisk? | 19:50 |
| devananda | lifeless: ++ | 19:51 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: there are no other _simple_ ways | 19:51 |
| lifeless | lucasagomes: we could write it to a file in the tftp root and suck that up from the ramdisk | 19:51 |
| yuriyz | DHCP param limited 255 bytes | 19:51 |
| lifeless | it would be publically visible, but so is the kernel commandline. Its a race we know about. | 19:51 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: there are some odd vendor specific ways that folks have proposed, which potentially would be more secure | 19:51 |
| romcheg | yuriyz: Maybe we should to Keystone trusts instead of tokens? | 19:52 |
| yuriyz | login/password credentials? | 19:52 |
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| romcheg | yuriyz: I think there is a chance we can use it to get a token inside a ramdisk | 19:52 |
| lucasagomes | I see, maybe we should start a list at the ironic white board etherpad with the possible ways of doing this | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:53 |
| yuriyz | + | 19:53 |
| romcheg | yuriyz: No, trust is a special thing in keystone that allows to get a new token | 19:53 |
| GheRivero | ++ | 19:53 |
| lifeless | write it to a file in the tftp root | 19:53 |
| devananda | so while I would like toimprove teh security of this API by using a better token, or a one-use-only token, or by transmitting the token securely | 19:53 |
| lifeless | no better or worse than kernel cmd line andunlimited in size | 19:54 |
| devananda | i dont want us to spend another week (or more) engineering a better solution to this that what Nova-baremetal has | 19:54 |
| devananda | the current deploy_key (just a string) is sufficient for now | 19:55 |
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| devananda | yes, we should whiteboard a better solution for post-Icehouse | 19:55 |
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| devananda | but my objection to this patch is that it opens all of /vendor_passthru/ to unauthenticated access in the public API | 19:55 |
| devananda | *public API service | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: so going with file in tft dir? | 19:55 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: that is tangential to my objection | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | yea it's less than ideal | 19:56 |
| devananda | how we get the key there != how we check the key in teh API when its posted back | 19:56 |
| devananda | if we can stick a full keystone auth token in a file in the tftp dir, great -- that seems best. | 19:56 |
| yuriyz | and maybe add new config option for allow private API? | 19:56 |
| devananda | then we don't need to lower the auth requirement of /vendor_passthru | 19:56 |
| devananda | if we CAN"T use a full keystone token | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | switching topic for last three minutes | 19:57 |
| devananda | we need a CONF option to allow unprivileged access to /vendor_passthru, which admins will explicitly need to set up a separate API service for that is not on a public PI | 19:57 |
| devananda | ack | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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| devananda | yuriyz: migration scripts! | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | any body? any thing? | 19:57 |
| NobodyCam | ya missed that | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | there's the merge of migration scripts | 19:58 |
| yuriyz | Ironic not in production | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57722/ | 19:58 |
| yuriyz | +1 for modify old scripts now | 19:58 |
| devananda | yuriyz: no, but if this is a problem, how will we solve this when we ARE in production if it comes up again? | 19:58 |
| yuriyz | for bugfix | 19:58 |
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| yuriyz | sqlalchemy-migrate is very buggy | 19:59 |
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| devananda | yuriyz: and we can fix it | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | yuriyz, we can't just create a new migration that fix the UCs? | 19:59 |
| romcheg | Let's switch to Alembic :) | 19:59 |
| GheRivero | romcheg: + | 19:59 |
| yuriyz | romcheg +1 | 19:59 |
| devananda | yuriyz: either make new migration that fixes things, or make patch to sqla-migrate ... | 19:59 |
| devananda | romcheg: -1 | 19:59 |
| yuriyz | new migration with all _two_ UC for table | 20:00 |
| romcheg | devananda: I still have one +1 :-P | 20:00 |
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| yuriyz | ok I write new one | 20:01 |
| devananda | yuriyz: if you have to drop all indexes and recreate them to fix this, that's fine. still better than changing history | 20:01 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg: too big of a change for ice house target | 20:01 |
| yuriyz | ok | 20:01 |
| devananda | ok, we're over time :) | 20:01 |
| devananda | let's continue as necessary back in channel. Thanks everyone!! | 20:01 |
| NobodyCam | no meeting after us now thou | 20:01 |
| devananda | oh... | 20:01 |
| romcheg | NobodyCam: I realize that. But after we're in production we won't be able to do that | 20:01 |
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| NobodyCam | but we can go back to chnnel | 20:01 |
| lucasagomes | if we can continue the discussion here it would be better | 20:01 |
| lucasagomes | because people look at the logs | 20:02 |
| devananda | yea. calendar says no one's after us | 20:02 |
| devananda | let's stay here | 20:02 |
| NobodyCam | k | 20:02 |
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| devananda | romcheg: other projects have been discussing moving to alembic for several cycles | 20:02 |
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| devananda | romcheg: but instead, afaik, openstack is now maintaining sqla-migrate. other projects are still using it. the common code for migrations has been moved to oslo recently | 20:03 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: what has been stopping the pthers | 20:03 |
| devananda | romcheg: and in fact I'm porting that code from oslo to ironic :) | 20:03 |
| dkehn | I can speak to that, its not trivial | 20:03 |
| devananda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/56516/6 | 20:03 |
| dkehn | but allows migrationing back and forth | 20:03 |
| devananda | afaik, the plan is to get projects using the shared oslo db migration code | 20:04 |
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| romcheg | devananda: that is the perfect plan, if it really exists | 20:04 |
| devananda | clarkb: any comment on slqa-migrate // alembic // oslo db.sqlalchemy.test_migrations ? | 20:05 |
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| clarkb | they should run in per test or per process db schemas and not worry about locking using shared resources | 20:06 |
| devananda | hehe | 20:06 |
| devananda | clarkb: context here is should-we-use-alembic-or-sqlamigrate | 20:06 |
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| clarkb | oh that, no input from me | 20:07 |
| devananda | ack | 20:07 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 20:07 |
| dkehn | love it | 20:08 |
| NobodyCam | so stick with sqla and fix it? | 20:08 |
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| dkehn | is there any consensis from other projects | 20:08 |
| dkehn | or is the same question being batted around | 20:08 |
| clarkb | I think general consensus is move to alembic | 20:09 |
| devananda | #action devananda to find out project's common plans for sqla-migrate vs alembic, why there are test_migration code in oslo, and whether we should be fixing bugs in sqla-migrate | 20:09 |
| NobodyCam | ++ Ty devananda | 20:09 |
| NobodyCam | any thing else?? | 20:10 |
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| NobodyCam | ok we can handle any thing else in channel | 20:11 |
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| NobodyCam | Thank you every one. great meeting | 20:11 |
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| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 20:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 25 20:12:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-11-25-19.01.html | 20:12 |
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| markmcclain | amotoki, arosen, rkukura, nati_ueno, marun, emagana, SumitNaiksatam, salv-orlando, garyk | 21:00 |
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| nati_ueno | hi! | 21:01 |
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| marios | Hi Neutron | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Neutron | 21:01 |
| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 25 21:01:38 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #info Icehouse-1 is December 5th | 21:02 |
| emagana | hi all! | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | It's next week which means code needs to merged by Tuesday Dec 3rd | 21:03 |
| Swami | hi | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/icehouse-1 | 21:03 |
| safchain | hi | 21:03 |
| colinmcnamara | hi | 21:03 |
| * salv-orlando regrets the week off taken during I-1 | 21:03 | |
| markmcclain | the first milestone always seems to feel rushed | 21:04 |
| * mestery nods in agreement. | 21:04 | |
| markmcclain | and even more so since many will be taking a few days off at the end of this week | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | anteaya: around? | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?search=Search&field.importance=Critical&field.status=New&field.status=Confirmed&field.status=Triaged&field.status=In+Progress | 21:05 |
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| armax | I'd add bug #1254236 to the list | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254236 in neutron "TestNetworkQuotaBasic tearDownClass fails while deleting port" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254236 | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | not sure if anteaya is active at the moment.. she has gone through and listed the gate blocking bugs in the agenda | 21:06 |
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| clarkb | I am going to mention really quickly that the way jenkins processes test logs after tests run has been updated to speed up the neutron unittest jobs. py26 is ~40 minutes now and py27 is ~27 minutes | 21:06 |
| armax | I found out about it last week | 21:06 |
| armax | it's getting hot pretty fast | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | clarkb: awesome | 21:06 |
| clarkb | shouldn't see anymore job timeouts on those | 21:06 |
| sc68cal | woooo! | 21:07 |
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| markmcclain | armax: thanks | 21:07 |
| nati_ueno | cool! | 21:07 |
| armax | clarkb: thanks | 21:07 |
| armax | clarkb: so do you think that review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58022/ is no longer worth it? | 21:07 |
| clarkb | armax: correct, we should keep an eye on it but I think we are well below variability in test times | 21:08 |
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| clarkb | *well below the timeouts considering variability in test times | 21:08 |
| armax | clarkb: ok sounds good | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: is working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1224001 | 21:09 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [High,In progress] | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | I think I and otherwise guy merged the patches that should fix it | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | we hope it won't show up again, but I know it will | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | (more later when we discuss parallel testing) | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | k | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1251448 | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251448 in neutron "BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. " [High,New] | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | marun: any progress? | 21:10 |
| marun | mlavalle seems to have narrowed the issue to not having tenant isolation turned on | 21:11 |
| marun | is there a reason why any of the gates turn it off? | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | when it was activate earlier it actually caused more gate failures | 21:11 |
| marun | i thought that was parallelization | 21:11 |
| marun | :\ | 21:11 |
| marun | damned if we do, damned it we don't | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | yeah well as we work on improving the test situation we will uncover a few issue along the way | 21:12 |
| beagles | what are we considering the fundamental error there? | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | marun, markmcclain, on this note of tenant isolation I might be dumb, but the 'isolated' job we run | 21:13 |
| beagles | that the tearDown fails? | 21:13 |
| marun | it is a cleanup issue, yeah | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | which set allow_tenant_isolation = True - aren't they using isolation? | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | beagles: yes | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | or does bug 1251448 occur only on non-isolated jobs? | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251448 in neutron "BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251448 | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | sdague or jog0: ^ | 21:14 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: but if any job doesn't use isolation, then we have potential races in cleanup | 21:15 |
| armax | it looks like it occurs on non-isolated jobs | 21:15 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: that was what I was looking for. If we can confirm that it does not happen with isolation, then the issue is nailed | 21:15 |
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| marun | so the question is, are the non-isolated jobs going to continue? | 21:15 |
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| sdague | salv-orlando: http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJtZXNzYWdlOlwiIHBvc3NpYmxlIG5ldHdvcmtzIGZvdW5kLCB1c2UgYSBOZXR3b3JrIElEIHRvIGJlIG1vcmUgc3BlY2lmaWMuIChIVFRQIDQwMClcIiAgICAgQU5EIGZpbGVuYW1lOlwiY29uc29sZS5odG1sXCIiLCJmaWVsZHMiOltdLCJvZmZzZXQiOjAsInRpbWVmcmFtZSI6IjYwNDgwMCIsImdyYXBobW9kZSI6ImNvdW50IiwidGltZSI6eyJ1c2VyX2ludGVydmFsIjowfSwic3RhbXAiOjEzODU0MTQxMjYzNjcsIm1vZGUiOiJ0ZXJtcyIsImFuYWx5emVfZmllbGQiOiJidWlsZF9uYW1lIn0= | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | marun: should be discontinued, this is my understanding | 21:15 |
| sdague | yes, only "non issolated" jobs | 21:16 |
| marun | so yeah, not sure we want to bother fixing. isolation is the ideal fix | 21:16 |
| salv-orlando | sdague: thanks for showing me how to the query - I was hopelessly trying to do that by myself | 21:16 |
| sdague | marun: so we're not fully isolated on the isolated jobs right now | 21:16 |
| marun | sdague: ? | 21:16 |
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| sdague | last I knew the API tests aren't actually properly issolated, because the load pushed neutron over the edge | 21:17 |
| sdague | mtreinish has the details | 21:17 |
| marun | sdague: ah, ok | 21:17 |
| marun | so it will be necessary to ensure name uniqueness | 21:17 |
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| markmcclain | no that we've activated minimize polling we might was to look and see if the load is still too high | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | s/was/want/ | 21:18 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah the neutron api tests don't have isolation turned on | 21:18 |
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| mtreinish | last time I did that the gate for neutron failed basically 100% of the time | 21:18 |
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| mtreinish | it needs a rebase but: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53459/ | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | mtreinish, sdague, marun, markmclain and whoever else: I'm working on that too as a part of the parallel testing effort | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:19 |
| marun | the polling switch has made a difference in runtimes at least | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | Any other critical bugs we need to discuss? | 21:20 |
| marun | i'm seeing 20-25% less execution time | 21:20 |
| jog0 | so neutron gate is failing at 33% right now | 21:20 |
| jog0 | .gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | jog0: good to know.. was hoping for a lower number with all of the recent changes | 21:21 |
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| jog0 | there were some outstanding patches in the nova side that should help | 21:22 |
| jog0 | let me hunt those down | 21:22 |
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| markmcclain | me and arosen pinged the nova room earlier with those | 21:22 |
| arosen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57711/ , https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57069/6 | 21:22 |
| arosen | jog0: ^ | 21:23 |
| jog0 | arosen: thanks thats it | 21:23 |
| jog0 | arosen: I will review those | 21:23 |
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| markmcclain | jog0: thanks! | 21:23 |
| arosen | jog0: awesome thanks | 21:23 |
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| markmcclain | Any other critical bugs the team needs to track? | 21:23 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:23 |
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| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1250168 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1251448 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1235435 | 21:24 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1250168 in neutron "gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops is failing" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | #undo | 21:24 |
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| jog0 | are all gate bugs, none are listed as critical ATM | 21:24 |
| jog0 | not sure where the root causes of those bugs are though | 21:24 |
| armax | Partial fix for bug 1235435 is review 57069 | 21:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235435 in nova "'SubnetInUse: Unable to complete operation on subnet UUID. One or more ports have an IP allocation from this subnet.'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235435 | 21:25 |
| armax | one of the two that aaron pointed you at | 21:25 |
| armax | s/aaron/arosen | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | bug 1235435 is because isolations isn't turned on | 21:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1235435 in nova "'SubnetInUse: Unable to complete operation on subnet UUID. One or more ports have an IP allocation from this subnet.'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1235435 | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: wanted to talk about parallel testing | 21:26 |
| jog0 | armax: cool thanks | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | work may help solve that issue | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I'm fine either way if you want to move it oto open discussion | 21:26 |
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| salv-orlando | and continue with the normal agenda | 21:26 |
| jog0 | markmcclain: we just saw bug 435 or the query we have is bad https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58352/ | 21:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 435 in ethereal "ethereal uses gksu instead of gksudo for root menuitem" [Low,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/435 | 21:26 |
| jog0 | anyway thanks | 21:26 |
| armax | markmclain: not in all cases | 21:26 |
| armax | but we can talk about it offline if you want to learn more | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | ok.. we can discuss the actually bug in teh room after the meeting, lets keep moving so that we don't run out of time | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:27 |
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| emagana | hi | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | Metering docs have merged.. thanks to sfchain | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | emagana: anything else to add that's not on the agenda? | 21:28 |
| emagana | yes! | 21:28 |
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| emagana | just a head ups about a Doc Bug Day | 21:28 |
| emagana | #info https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/BugDay Dec 20th | 21:29 |
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| emagana | It could be great to have some neutrons participating | 21:29 |
| safchain | I also added a section about the ml2 scenarios, with to start 2 scenarios with the l2 population mechanism driver | 21:29 |
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| salv-orlando | emagana: fine but I really don't feel comfortable around electrons | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | emagana: thanks for the reminder about the doc bug day | 21:30 |
| mestery | salv-orlando: heh | 21:30 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: keep neutral.. I mean neutron | 21:30 |
| emagana | nothing else markmcclain | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | thanks for the update | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | emagana: so we don't have network bugs open against either the admin-guide or netconn-api? | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | #topic Nova Parity | 21:31 |
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| emagana | Yes, we do! | 21:31 |
| emagana | I did not believe we want to discuss all of them, at least we have a high priority ones | 21:32 |
| emagana | as we had with metring part | 21:32 |
| emagana | s/metring/metering | 21:32 |
| emagana | just wanted to keep it short, but we can go over more details if needed, advise! | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | we still have a lot of material to cover, so let's keep moving for now | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | #topic Nova Parity | 21:33 |
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| beagles | somebody is playing my song | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | yep | 21:34 |
| beagles | I was on PTO last week so I apologize for my silence... however before I left someone proposed creating a draft list of milestones related to parity | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | yes will be helpful to track progress | 21:34 |
| beagles | I've posted a link to the ethepad in the agenda... it was a complete off the cuff affair,but it fits the schedule (I think) | 21:35 |
| dkehn | agreed | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | and we can fill it in with action items | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-neutron-nova-parity-prelim-outline | 21:35 |
| beagles | I'd appreciate suggestions and refinements | 21:35 |
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| salv-orlando | thanks a lot beagles | 21:35 |
| beagles | my pleasure: I've mentioned some things in there that warrant conversations offline | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | do you reckong we are on schedule with your plane? | 21:36 |
| beagles | or out-of-the-meeting | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | plane/plan | 21:36 |
| beagles | we are a little behind but not dire I think | 21:36 |
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| markmcclain | ok.. we can discuss offline farm out the work if necessary to get us back on track | 21:36 |
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| markmcclain | Anything else for this week? | 21:37 |
| sc68cal | ipv6? | 21:37 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: yeah we'll have to look at gaps there too | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | #topic Tempest | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | Lots of updates to the etherpad | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/icehouse-summit-qa-neutron | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle or salv-orlando who wants to update first? | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | I'd let mlavalle go first - he's the topic lead, I think | 21:39 |
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| * salv-orlando at least that's what the wiki page says :) | 21:39 | |
| mlavalle | markmcclain: as indicated in the ether pad, I have taken responsibility for the api testing | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | ok | 21:40 |
| mlavalle | my plan is to have a plan by this week, so we can let other contrabute to this effort | 21:40 |
| markmcclain | great… I'll follow up with you later in the week | 21:41 |
| mlavalle | I also worked over the weekend on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1251448 | 21:41 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1251448 in neutron "BadRequest: Multiple possible networks found, use a Network ID to be more specific. " [High,New] | 21:41 |
| mlavalle | I've updated the but in launchpad with my analysis | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | great thanks | 21:41 |
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| mlavalle | it seem to me it's a race condition | 21:42 |
| mlavalle | when deleting ports | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | yeah the test changes have definitely revealed several races | 21:42 |
| mlavalle | so by the time the tea tries to delete a subnet, it finds ports still active | 21:42 |
| mlavalle | so a net and a subnet are left alive in the demo user | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | that cascades to the other tests after that | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. that will do it | 21:43 |
| mlavalle | tonight I will attempt to create a fix….. i might ask a lot of questions tomorrow | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: sounds great | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | mlavalle: I'll be around | 21:44 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have today | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | mlavalle: thanks | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | in terms of "items" pertaining to testing | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | on the etherpad we have at least three we need to discuss here: parallel, full, and grenade testing | 21:44 |
| salv-orlando | as I do things without any logic, let's start from the bottom | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:45 |
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| salv-orlando | grenade - the issue is simple, there's no grenade testing, and we're looking for an owner | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | last week I said "we have no owner" and somebody said "hold on" | 21:45 |
| salv-orlando | does this mean we have an owner now? | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | I don't think we've had anyone step up | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | silence == no owner, I guess. markmcclain, can we prioritise finding a volunteer? | 21:46 |
| beagles | nobody wants to dive on the grenade? | 21:46 |
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| dkehn | cue crickets | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | #action markmcclain to find grenade lead | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | I work on that this week | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | full neutron devstack test | 21:47 |
| * beagles nods | 21:47 | |
| sc68cal | Does grenade piece also include the OVS -> ML2 migrations? | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | This work item is a mix of issues with neutron and features missing from neutron. | 21:47 |
| marun | markmcclain: please coordinate with jlibosva | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | marun: will do | 21:47 |
| sc68cal | not sure if that's out of scope for grenade | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | At the moment we have rossella_s performing an assessment | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | sc68cal: the ml2 team will need to add migration scripts | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | she's not online, but as she's in my timezone I will ping her tomorrow | 21:48 |
| beagles | salv-orlando, there is an overlap with the parity related activities outlined for this week | 21:48 |
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| markmcclain | beagles can you coordinate with rossella_s? | 21:48 |
| mestery | sc68cal: Yes, we're aware of the migration requirements from OVS to ML2, but have no specific plans at the moment. | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | beagles: I am aware of that; I thought I was good to get someone started anyway on the assessment of what needs to be done to get that test passing | 21:48 |
| beagles | absolutely :) | 21:48 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: a couple of months ago I put together (with the help of others) this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | thanks | 21:48 |
| beagles | salv-orlando, no argument there :) | 21:48 |
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| salv-orlando | mlavalle: thanks for that I will add it to other etherpad | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | and finally… parallel testing | 21:49 |
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| mlavalle | salv-oralando: rosella_s can ping me if clarification is needed | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: you've been digging into this one right? | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | mlavalle: I will ell there | 21:49 |
| salv-orlando | Basically there are 3 issues, 1 in devstack/tempest, and 2 in neutron | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | devstack/tempest give neutron only 16 public IPs. this is fine for nova-network, but neutron uses a public IP for each tenant router. If you add the fact that some tests do not cleanup routers, you can easily run out of IPs | 21:51 |
| EmilienM | salv-orlando: i could help with grenade, even if i have never contributed yet | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | armax has a patch for 2 test cases leaving a router behind | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | I have a patch proposing to start defaulting the public network to /27 | 21:51 |
| salv-orlando | any questions before we move to the neutron side? | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | we have 8 mins, so I think we have to move on | 21:52 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: I think the number of ip's is configurable in the tempest conf file | 21:52 |
| armax | salv-orlando: the patches you're talking about are: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/57805/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58054/ | 21:52 |
| salv-orlando | mlavalle: this is about the public network created by devstack I think, but we can take this detail offline I think | 21:52 |
| mlavalle | cool | 21:52 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: hey - whats the bug number about that race with new networks? | 21:53 |
| * salv-orlando is funny to say offline while you'll still be online talking about this | 21:53 | |
| lifeless | SpamapS: thinking it would be topical to raise it here as something tempest should be testing | 21:53 |
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| salv-orlando | I think we're out of time for the tempest discussion - I will update on neutron issues separately, unless you feel it's important | 21:53 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. I think we discuss on this on the mailing list | 21:54 |
| * markmcclain fingers won't work today | 21:54 | |
| markmcclain | #topic Subteams | 21:55 |
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| markmcclain | We've got several new subteams in addition to our existing ones. | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | Please check the agenda for updates | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | Any items need to cover in 4 minutes or less? | 21:56 |
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| nati_ueno | Is lbbas api still experimental? | 21:57 |
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| markmcclain | no with Havana that api will need to follow the deprecation cycle | 21:58 |
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| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks | 21:58 |
| nati_ueno | it looks there is a patch which change beheivior | 21:58 |
| nati_ueno | of LBaaS API | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | link? | 21:59 |
| nati_ueno | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53821/ | 21:59 |
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| nati_ueno | health monitor was cascate deleted before | 21:59 |
| nati_ueno | This patch changes that beheivior | 21:59 |
| markmcclain | thanks for the link.. I'll follow up with teh sub-team | 22:00 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Thanks | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | we're out of time for this week | 22:00 |
| markmcclain | I want to thank salv-orlando, armax, arosen, jog0, marun, anteaya for digging into the gate problems | 22:00 |
| jog0 | markmcclain: thank you | 22:00 |
| jog0 | to everyone fixing them | 22:00 |
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| armax | I hope I just don't add more ;) | 22:00 |
| arosen | ditto :) | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | Have a great week and for everyone traveling for the holidays later this week.. safe travels | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 25 22:01:12 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron/2013/neutron.2013-11-25-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron/2013/neutron.2013-11-25-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| arosen | bye | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron/2013/neutron.2013-11-25-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| nati_ueno | Thanks guys! | 22:01 |
| armax | bye bye | 22:01 |
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| Swami | bye | 22:01 |
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| emagana | ciao ciao | 22:03 |
| jkyle | heya | 22:03 |
| Swami | hi all | 22:04 |
| Swami | #startmeeting | 22:04 |
| openstack | Swami: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 22:04 |
| Swami | #startmeeting Distributed Virtual Router | 22:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 25 22:05:05 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Swami. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Distributed Virtual Router)" | 22:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'distributed_virtual_router' | 22:05 |
| Swami | hi all | 22:05 |
| safchain | Hi Swami | 22:05 |
| Swami | Hi safchain | 22:05 |
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| Swami | Back in US after hectic travel | 22:06 |
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| Swami | #topic Announcement | 22:06 |
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| Swami | hi | 22:12 |
| Swami | I got dropped | 22:12 |
| Swami | #topic Plugin versus Extension | 22:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Plugin versus Extension (Meeting topic: Distributed Virtual Router)" | 22:13 | |
| Swami | I would like to discuss the options of Plugin versus an Extension for the DVR | 22:14 |
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| Swami | safchain do you have any input | 22:14 |
| safchain | do you mean service plugin like l3 ? | 22:15 |
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| Swami | safchain: yes | 22:15 |
| safchain | So the question is, extend the l3 or add a new service plugin | 22:15 |
| Swami | safchain: yes | 22:16 |
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| safchain | maybe a extension, since it is not really a new service it is more an optimization, but not sure I have to think about it | 22:18 |
| safchain | Swami, what is your thoughts ? | 22:18 |
| Swami | Yes, that is my opinion too, adding an extension would be simpler than creating a new service plugin. | 22:18 |
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| safchain | do you have any plan to submit any part of your code from your poc ? | 22:19 |
| safchain | especially the kernel module ? | 22:20 |
| Swami | Just to give you an update, we are trying to do some change to our design with respect to the kernel module | 22:20 |
| Swami | Since it would be a time consuming process to push the kernel module upstream, we are now looking at other alternatives to solve the DVR problem. | 22:21 |
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| Swami | The approach that we are looking into is using the OVS and adding an additional bridge inbetween the br-int and br-tun. | 22:22 |
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| safchain | ok, could you add something about this solution to the gdoc | 22:24 |
| Makdaam | hi, I'm here by accident, but I'd like to find out more about DVR | 22:24 |
| Makdaam | is there any documentation beyond the blueprint? | 22:24 |
| safchain | Swami, I would like to understand the usage of the new bridge | 22:25 |
| Swami | Makdaam: Yes we are trying to add more to the documentation that we have out there as blueprint. | 22:25 |
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| Swami | safchain: Yes I will update the Google doc, that we have created for the north-south dvr discussion and then probably we can go over the design in our next meeting | 22:26 |
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| Swami | The idea here is add a bridge "dvr-br" inbetween the br-int and br-tun. Use the existing L3 namespace implementation to add routers to the compute Node. | 22:27 |
| safchain | Swami, we also worked on the north-south design | 22:28 |
| Swami | Router interfaces will connect to the new bridge "dvr-br" and not to the "br-int". Then we apply the rules in the OVS to direct packet to the Router. | 22:28 |
| lifeless | I would have expected a br-ex and connect to that, same as a network node | 22:29 |
| Swami | safchain: If you have any picture for your design can you also share with our google doc. | 22:29 |
| safchain | here is the design, maybe we could combine yours with ours | 22:29 |
| Swami | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iXMAyVMf42FTahExmGdYNGOBFyeA4e74sAO3pvr_RjA/edit | 22:29 |
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| safchain | https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1GGwbLa72n8c2T3SBApKK7uJ6WLTSRa7erTI_3QNj5Bg/edit | 22:30 |
| Swami | lifeless: Yes we are considering br-ex for the north-south as well. | 22:30 |
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| Swami | safchain: Do you have any write up on your diagram | 22:32 |
| Swami | If not we can arrange for a meeting to discuss your design and our design | 22:32 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: bug about new networks: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1254555 | 22:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1254555 in neutron "tenant does not see network that is routable from tenant-visible network until neutron-server is restarted" [High,In progress] | 22:32 |
| safchain | Swami, it seems I'm not able to modify your gdoc | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | salv-orlando: you are right, the tempest option controls the size of the tenantt network and you were talking about the public net | 22:32 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: Etoolate :) | 22:33 |
| safchain | could you check permission, I would like to add a link to our design | 22:33 |
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| Swami | safchain: I have changed the privilege for anyone to edit the document | 22:34 |
| safchain | Swami, thx | 22:34 |
| Swami | safchain: so please go ahead and add your thoughts or ideas. | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | oh that was the previous meeting sorry. ;) | 22:34 |
| safchain | Just added a link | 22:34 |
| Swami | safchain: Thanks for the link | 22:35 |
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| Swami | safchain: What would be the best time for me to talk to you regarding your north-south design and we can share our ideas. | 22:36 |
| safchain | Swami, the idea here is to combine the l3 ha BP and to bring a vrouter to each compute when a floating-ip is added | 22:36 |
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| Swami | So in your design, does each compute node have a different floating IP or the same floating IP | 22:37 |
| safchain | Swami, just ping me tomorrow same time this meeting | 22:37 |
| safchain | different floating ip | 22:38 |
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| Swami | safchain: Ok I will ping you tomorrow | 22:38 |
| safchain | Swami, great | 22:38 |
| Swami | safchain: In this case are you planning to modify L3 Agent ( In other words are you planning to extend the L3 Agent ) | 22:39 |
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| safchain | Swami, for the HA VRRP BP, we are planning to extend the l3 agent, and for the l3 at compute, we are planning to add a new agent | 22:40 |
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| safchain | but it's not sure for the new agent, still in design | 22:41 |
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| Swami | safchain: you mentioned that you are planning to add a new agent for compute node L3, can't just extend the L3 agent. Is there any specific reason or issue for creating a new agent. | 22:42 |
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| safchain | Swami, no, maybe just extending the l3 agent would be enough | 22:43 |
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| Swami | safchain, yes we were also debating on a new agent versus extending the L3 Agent. | 22:44 |
| safchain | And we have to take care of this blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l3-agent-consolidation | 22:44 |
| Swami | Yes that makes sense | 22:45 |
| safchain | I add the link to the gdoc | 22:45 |
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| Swami | safchain: Thanks | 22:46 |
| Swami | safchain: In your vrouter approach are you planning to add any OVS rules to direct the packet flows? | 22:47 |
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| safchain | no | 22:48 |
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| safchain | Swami, just ebtables rules | 22:49 |
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| safchain | probably with the help of this patch which will help to implement an arp response for the l2 population with OVS | 22:50 |
| safchain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49227/ | 22:51 |
| Swami | So in this patch, the OVS bridge acts as an arp responder and you are utilizing in your vrouter implement to prevent the arp from getting out of the compute node. | 22:52 |
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| safchain | yes, correct | 22:53 |
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| Swami | In this case for the vrouters in the compute node, are you having a unique MAC or having same MAC on all the compute node instances | 22:54 |
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| safchain | an unique mac with this design | 22:55 |
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| Swami | When you assign a unique mac for the router port is it assigned from the default MAC pool or do you have separate MAC pool just for this purpose. | 22:56 |
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| safchain | Swami, I think we need to work a little bit more on this design, so I don't have all the details right now | 22:57 |
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| Swami | safchain: Thanks for the information, I will ping you tomorrow same time and we can go over our proposals. | 22:58 |
| safchain | Swami, yes that will be nice | 22:59 |
| Swami | I will also update the google doc with our proposal for our discussion. | 22:59 |
| safchain | ok thanks | 22:59 |
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| Swami | Ok, this week I will not be having the Wednesday meeting, but from Next week, I will have both meetings. | 23:01 |
| Swami | Thank you all | 23:01 |
| safchain | Thank you Swami | 23:01 |
| Swami | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 25 23:01:30 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-11-25-22.05.html | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-11-25-22.05.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/distributed_virtual_router/2013/distributed_virtual_router.2013-11-25-22.05.log.html | 23:01 |
| safchain | bye | 23:01 |
| Swami | bye | 23:01 |
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