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| sdague | ok, it's QA meetin time | 17:00 |
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| sdague | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 24 17:00:58 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdague. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| sdague | who's here? | 17:01 |
| afazekas | O/ | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | I am here | 17:01 |
| mlavalle | sdague: hi | 17:01 |
| maurosr | o/ | 17:01 |
| Anju | hi | 17:01 |
| dkranz | Here | 17:01 |
| adalbas | here | 17:01 |
| sdague | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting Agenda | 17:01 |
| sdague | #topic Design Summit Schedule (sdague) | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design Summit Schedule (sdague) (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| mkoderer | hi * | 17:01 |
| sdague | #link http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/ | 17:01 |
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| mkoderer | sdague: I got my final approval | 17:02 |
| sdague | so the summit schedule is pushed, I figured we'd take a minute to figure out if there were any last minute sessions that we really need, and that I need to adjust for | 17:02 |
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| sdague | otherwise, I'm pretty happy with how the schedule played out, and I think there will be a lot of good meat there | 17:02 |
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| dkranz | sdague: lgtm | 17:03 |
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| mkoderer | looks good for me | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | sdague: nice pun? | 17:03 |
| sdague | :) | 17:03 |
| sdague | I guess I asked before, but who all is going to be there? | 17:04 |
| sdague | o/ | 17:04 |
| sdague | just to get a sense of things | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | I will | 17:04 |
| mkoderer | I will be there | 17:04 |
| Anju | sdague: I will also | 17:04 |
| dkranz | I will | 17:04 |
| afazekas | o/ | 17:05 |
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| sdague | cool, the gang will all be there :) | 17:05 |
| sdague | ok, next topic | 17:05 |
| sdague | #topic Neutron job status (mtreinish) | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | oh this is a topic | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | ok so you may have noticed a new gating job on tempest neutron-pg-isolated | 17:05 |
| sdague | I figured you've got the most recent knowledge on that | 17:05 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: I also have things to report regarding neutron | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | that is the same as the regular neutron job just with tenant isolation enabled (also with a postgres db) | 17:06 |
| sdague | mlavalle: cool, jump in | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | i'll wait for mtreinish to finish | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | yesterday I broke the neutron gate by increase the number of tests that have isolation enabled | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | it exposed another real bug in neutron | 17:07 |
| jog0 | what does isolated mean? | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | jog0: it creates a separate tenant and user for each test class | 17:07 |
| mtreinish | and with neutron makes an separate network for each tenant | 17:07 |
| jog0 | mtreinish: thought so, thanks. and that makes neutron fail more? | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | yep | 17:08 |
| jog0 | strange | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | so the job was added to fix the asymmetry between the neutron gate and the tempest gate | 17:08 |
| sdague | there looks like there is some resource starvation that's happening | 17:08 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish; the good thing about this isolation code is that we are really putting neutron through its paces | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | so we can catch these issues without me breaking the neutron gate to do it | 17:09 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: ++ | 17:09 |
| sdague | mtreinish: and you tripped another deadlock, right? | 17:09 |
| mtreinish | nati_uen_: thought so, but I did a logstash query this morning and it wasn't a 1:1 match up with the tfail | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | this is nati_uen_ etherpad with debug notes: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/debug1243726 | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | and bug 1243726 was opened for the issue | 17:11 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1243726 in neutron "tempest failure: No more IP addresses available on network" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243726 | 17:11 |
| sdague | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/debug1243726 etherpad for debugging tenant isolation | 17:11 |
| sdague | mtreinish: you know if nati_uen_ is still working the issue? | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | I think so | 17:11 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: yeah, that bug is consistent with what I find in my dev system | 17:12 |
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| sdague | mlavalle: ok, great. Are there other things you have to report on it? | 17:13 |
| sdague | or on other issues here? | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I've been working on debugging https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1224001 | 17:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,Fix released] | 17:13 |
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| mlavalle | sdague: the nature of the failure has changed in the log stash since the last fix to neutron | 17:13 |
| mlavalle | it now is mostly ping failures | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: do we need to change the elastic recheck query? | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | or open a new bug? | 17:14 |
| mlavalle | i can reproduce in my dev system and will continue debugging. I will use this as an opportunity to develop some of the tcpdump stuff we talked about last week | 17:15 |
| sdague | mlavalle: do you have a new recheck query for it? | 17:15 |
| sdague | that would be good to change so we can categorize it | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | sdague: i will soon | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | mtreinish: no for the time being. but i will ping you in irc if i think we should do it | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | mlavalle: ok | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | that's all i have | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | by the way, i'm not going to HKG but want somehow to be part of the neutron conversation :-( | 17:17 |
| sdague | ok, great | 17:17 |
| sdague | mlavalle: ok... I'm not sure how we do that, but we'll at least try to have a solid etherpad in advance | 17:17 |
| sdague | #topic Tempest config file naming conventions and reorg (mtreinish) | 17:18 |
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| sdague | ok, mtreinish yours again | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | I thought this was at the bottom | 17:18 |
| mlavalle | sdague: that's great, thanks. I just the team know that i'm committed to this effort | 17:18 |
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| dkranz | mtreinish: Doesn't matter, go ahead | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | so this week I've been going through the config file and changing the grouping around and trying to update the naming to be consistent | 17:19 |
| mkoderer | mtreinish: +1 | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | I want to start adding options for every extension and extra feature we're testing | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | instead of just assuming that they are enabled | 17:19 |
| mtreinish | but sdague brought up the good point of how we handle that with multiple api versions for the same extension | 17:20 |
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| mtreinish | like the nova api v3 | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | so does anyone has any input on what are config strategy should be for this kind of thing? | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | I was thinking for extensions with multiple versions we make it a string instead of a bool option to specify which versions are enabled | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | obviously this is only a transient issue because eventually the old api version will be deprecated | 17:21 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: This is going to be pretty ugly a year or two from now | 17:21 |
| sdague | so we also have the issue of configuring this from devstack | 17:21 |
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| sdague | because devstack really has no idea, as the way nova works is that everything is loaded by default | 17:22 |
| dkranz | Coudn't we have some way to "opt-out" of extensions? | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: so I'm fine for defaulting everything true in the sample conf that will work around the devstack issue | 17:22 |
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| dkranz | Realistically, installations are going to have most enabled, if not aoo. | 17:22 |
| sdague | yeh, that just seems like a huge number of options, easy to get wrong | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | and I'm working on the config verification script for people who are manually configuring tempest | 17:22 |
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| mtreinish | which will do the api querying to figure out what is enabled | 17:23 |
| sdague | what if we had a list option | 17:23 |
| sdague | computev2 = blah,foo,bar | 17:23 |
| dkranz | sdague: of excluded extensions? | 17:23 |
| sdague | and 'all' is a special value | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | that list will get pretty long | 17:23 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Not if it means exclusion | 17:23 |
| maurosr | using something similar to what we do in nova policy file wouldn't work? | 17:23 |
| sdague | dkranz: so, again, with nova, the minute you specify extensions, you specify them all | 17:24 |
| sdague | there isn't an exclude | 17:24 |
| sdague | so doing the math becomes interesting | 17:24 |
| dkranz | sdague: So you either have all extensions enabled or none? | 17:24 |
| sdague | either all, or the list you provide | 17:24 |
| sdague | in v3 it's different, because of entry poitns | 17:25 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I was talking about exclusion only in the tempest config | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | maurosr: do you have a link? | 17:25 |
| dkranz | So tempest would assume enabled unless mentioned | 17:25 |
| dkranz | which would also handle the devstack case | 17:25 |
| sdague | dkranz: right, but that would mean you have to figure our that nova added a new extension that you didn't know about | 17:25 |
| sdague | because you actually need to compute the diff | 17:26 |
| dkranz | but if you didn't know about it you would be running with it, unless the default was disabled | 17:26 |
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| dkranz | I think I may be too ignorant about this so will be quiet | 17:26 |
| sdague | heh, no think of it this way :) | 17:27 |
| sdague | avail extensions: a, b, c, d, e | 17:27 |
| sdague | nova loads: a, b | 17:27 |
| maurosr | mtreinish: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/etc/nova/policy.json of course just the model, the idea would be enable extensions or not instead of privilege level | 17:27 |
| sdague | tempest exclusion for: c, d, e | 17:27 |
| sdague | now nova adds ext f | 17:27 |
| sdague | and your validation break | 17:27 |
| sdague | because f isn't excluded from your tempest config | 17:27 |
| sdague | but it's not enabled in nova | 17:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: I just did not realize that these extensions in nova were by default opt-in | 17:28 |
| sdague | so if we are building a list, it should be in the same order as the services | 17:28 |
| sdague | dkranz: well, it's weird | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | maurosr: that's basically what I'm proposing except instead of doubling up for the v3 extensions make it a string which specifies the versions | 17:28 |
| sdague | it's all in, or explicit it | 17:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: I don't think that matches the real usage model at all, which will mostly be "in" not "out" | 17:28 |
| sdague | explicit in | 17:28 |
| dkranz | sdague: but oh well | 17:29 |
| sdague | yeh, the way it is | 17:29 |
| sdague | mtreinish: so is there an oslo config type that would let us do this with lists (that could be multi line)? | 17:29 |
| sdague | instead of lots of options? | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | sdague: there is ListOpt | 17:29 |
| sdague | I think it's at least exploring how terrible that patch would be | 17:29 |
| sdague | because a ton of boolean options feels weird to me | 17:30 |
| sdague | nova v2 is 70 extensions I think | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: we use it for logging right now: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/etc/tempest.conf.sample#n13 | 17:30 |
| mlavalle | sdague: I have to run to another meeting. See you in openstack-qa | 17:30 |
| sdague | mlavalle: sure | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | sdague: yeah that's fair | 17:31 |
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| sdague | mtreinish: sure, but that's a much smaller list | 17:31 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Could we have the option just point to a policy file, or wherever the "in" is defined? | 17:31 |
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| sdague | I guess dkranz's exclude approach would be good as well | 17:31 |
| dkranz | Then the conf would not have to be updated all the time. | 17:31 |
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| sdague | from brevity, though we know it would cause issues | 17:31 |
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| sdague | dkranz: the policy file is not network accessible | 17:32 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that approach just makes my verification script more difficult | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | sdague: I think he's saying break out this into a separate file | 17:32 |
| dkranz | sdague: I meant "get a copy from the cloud you are running against with tempest" | 17:32 |
| sdague | mtreinish: excludes... yeh | 17:32 |
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| sdague | dkranz: so the problem is, you might not be able to do that | 17:32 |
| sdague | if I want to run tempest against hp cloud to figure out if it's really openstack, I can't get their policy file | 17:32 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Why not, or at least a sanitized subset with just what we care about? | 17:33 |
| dkranz | sdague: Surely the implemented extensions is public? | 17:33 |
| sdague | dkranz: but not the policy file | 17:33 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I am going for DRY really | 17:33 |
| dkranz | But perhaps it is not possible | 17:33 |
| sdague | and the reason we're going down this path, vs. trusting list_extensions, is to be explicit | 17:34 |
| dkranz | sdague: I understand | 17:34 |
| sdague | mtreinish: ok, so how about explicit and "all" | 17:34 |
| sdague | as a list option | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | sdague: sure I can do that | 17:35 |
| sdague | lets see how bad it is | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | well we'll never see how bad it will get because we only run it as all :) | 17:35 |
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| mtreinish | and not 60 of 70 extensions | 17:35 |
| sdague | well, someone else will tell us how bad it is | 17:36 |
| sdague | ok, lets move on | 17:36 |
| sdague | #topic Scope and place for performance testing such as Rally (dkranz) | 17:36 |
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| dkranz | So there was a discussion about this on the ml | 17:36 |
| dkranz | I just wanted to get a feel of whether we think performance testing should ever be part of tempest | 17:37 |
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| dkranz | I could go either way | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | dkranz: I think that's a good idea or at least the part of it that's actually exercising things | 17:38 |
| mkoderer | dkranz: I like the idea | 17:38 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Right, but who will do this work? | 17:38 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: If it is not done soon, and people like rally, it will get harder and harder. | 17:38 |
| sdague | dkranz: I think the point was letting the rally folks know that we'll like that part in tempest | 17:39 |
| sdague | they presumably already were going to do that work, so just that this is the place it should happen | 17:39 |
| dkranz | sdague: That works for me, but I was not sure they intended to do that | 17:40 |
| sdague | I think the community spoke up pretty strongly about not wanting another load driver out there | 17:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, so we will see it percolate a bit | 17:40 |
| sdague | dkranz: yes, it remains unclear to me either, but it also was clear they wanted to be part of the gate, and I don't think that will happen if they remain split off doing their own thing | 17:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: perhaps there could be some informal discussion at the summit | 17:40 |
| sdague | sure | 17:40 |
| dkranz | sdague: Agreed about the gate. BUt that is sketchy for the real value | 17:41 |
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| dkranz | sdague: Even more so than for stress tests | 17:41 |
| sdague | dkranz: I think it's a hard problem, but I don't want to completely give up on it yet | 17:41 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok let's discuss at summit | 17:42 |
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| sdague | #topic Status and roll-out plan for failing the gate on log errors (dkranz) | 17:43 |
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| sdague | next topic | 17:43 |
| sdague | all you dkranz | 17:43 |
| dkranz | So there was more contention about this on the ml than I expected | 17:43 |
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| dkranz | I'm not sure how to proceed. I think my case was convincing. | 17:44 |
| dkranz | A lot of folks seem to not get that if we allow crap in logs, no one will look at them and that is really bad. | 17:45 |
| sdague | dkranz: I don't think it was that contentious | 17:45 |
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| sdague | honestly, I think the current whitelist approach is fine, and I expect there might be just a few error conditions that we negotiate over at the end | 17:45 |
| dkranz | sdague: So if we say we are going to start to fail non-whitelisted errors there will be no objection? | 17:45 |
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| sdague | dkranz: I think so | 17:46 |
| dkranz | sdague: Great, if that is true. | 17:46 |
| sdague | jgriffith already went and changed a couple of error conditions in cinder because of the conversation | 17:46 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok, cool | 17:46 |
| dkranz | sdague: next | 17:46 |
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| sdague | it looks like there are a couple more that need to be whitelisted out of nova network | 17:47 |
| sdague | from the last time I looked at logs | 17:47 |
| dkranz | sdague: I am re-watching now | 17:47 |
| dkranz | sdague: You can probably imagine how painful this is. | 17:47 |
| dkranz | sdague: But I will push through, The end is in sight. | 17:47 |
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| sdague | cool :) | 17:48 |
| dkranz | next topic? | 17:48 |
| sdague | yep | 17:49 |
| sdague | #topic State of 'smoke' tagging: can we make it useful? (dkranz) | 17:49 |
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| sdague | it's the dkranz show :) | 17:49 |
| dkranz | :) | 17:49 |
| sdague | and, honestly, I'm super excited for the whitelist error stuff to hit | 17:49 |
| dkranz | So it came up that the current smoke tagging is pretty arbitrary. | 17:49 |
| dkranz | We want a set of tests that can run in 5-10 minutes that cover the most ground | 17:49 |
| mtreinish | dkranz: right now it's only used for what runs in grenade and the neutron jobs | 17:50 |
| mkoderer | we should get rid of all negative test flagged as smoke | 17:50 |
| dkranz | mtreinish: Right, but that was not the intent | 17:50 |
| sdague | yeh, so honestly, I think we should just dump smoke and have our smoke target be all the non-slow scenario tests | 17:50 |
| mkoderer | I don't see any reason for negative tests that are smoke tests | 17:50 |
| sdague | mkoderer: +1 agree with that | 17:50 |
| dkranz | sdague: That is reasonable if we have the right coverage. | 17:51 |
| dkranz | sdague: Certainly the scenario tests *should* have enough coverage. | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | sdague: that was the future intent for grenade right, to just run scenario (and increase the scenario coverage) | 17:51 |
| mtreinish | and for neutron we want that to be running full anyway | 17:51 |
| sdague | dkranz: agreed, actually I'm hoping we can talk about that in - http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/1a28654a7e05217067ded2bacbfa7484 | 17:51 |
| dkranz | So that works for me | 17:51 |
| sdague | mtreinish: yeh | 17:52 |
| dkranz | except that as we go forward we will have more non-slow scenario tests than can run in 5 minutes | 17:52 |
| afazekas | IMHO several auth* related test should be smoke even if its a negative test | 17:52 |
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| sdague | so maybe the negative test discussion at summit, and the scenario test discussion will flesh this out | 17:53 |
| dkranz | sdague: ok | 17:53 |
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| dkranz | Perhaps after neutron is working we can re-use smoke to mean what it should. | 17:53 |
| sdague | dkranz: yeh, that would be nice | 17:53 |
| dkranz | Then we can run 'smoke' scenario and api | 17:53 |
| mkoderer | afazekas: could be that there are some exceptions.. | 17:53 |
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| dkranz | I think that is he right answer for what we want. | 17:54 |
| sdague | sure, I guess we could do that, tag some representative scenario tests and a few others we think are important | 17:54 |
| dkranz | sdague: Exactly | 17:54 |
| sdague | but in reality the API tests feel like they are largely a different class, and each very small, so being in smoke isn't quite right | 17:54 |
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| sdague | but... a summit discussion | 17:55 |
| sdague | also possibly with beer :) | 17:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: Definitely | 17:55 |
| dkranz | sdague: That's all from me | 17:55 |
| * mkoderer not sure if the beer tastes good in HK | 17:55 | |
| sdague | I will have to say the beer during summit sessions in san diego was a great idea | 17:55 |
| dkranz | mkoderer: Bring some! | 17:55 |
| sdague | mkoderer: I'm sure they have importers :) | 17:55 |
| sdague | ok | 17:55 |
| mkoderer | ok :) | 17:55 |
| sdague | #topic Open Discussion | 17:56 |
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| sdague | anything else? | 17:56 |
| sdague | are people going to be around next week, or are they starting to travel by that point? | 17:56 |
| dkranz | sdague: I will be on a plane next Thur so may or may not have connectivity for the meeting | 17:56 |
| sdague | mtreinish and I are flying on Fri | 17:56 |
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| sdague | others? | 17:56 |
| mkoderer | I leave on Sunday | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | dkranz, sdague: doesn't that depend on your reference point? (and departure time) | 17:57 |
| jog0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53699/ needs review to unblock stable/havana | 17:57 |
| jog0 | I had a commit message typo but zuul said it was working | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | jog0: why don't you cherry pick the version of that in master? | 17:58 |
| sdague | heh | 17:58 |
| jog0 | mtreinish: that is a seperate patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/51041/ | 17:58 |
| jog0 | this is a bigger issue though | 17:58 |
| sdague | dkranz: ok, can you +2 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/52413/1 first? | 17:58 |
| dkranz | sdague: Yeah, just a sec | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | oh crap, that's going to be a merge conflict | 17:59 |
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| mtreinish | no there was patch bumping six on master | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | that's been merged | 17:59 |
| mtreinish | jog0: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/commit/?id=c0441be3d7f994998779054991214242c5005877 | 17:59 |
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| dkranz | sdague: I did it | 18:00 |
| sdague | ok, we need to give up the slot, lets take this to -qa | 18:00 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 18:00:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-24-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-10-24-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
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| malini1 | Do we not have an OSSG meeting today? | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 24 18:07:48 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:07 |
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| bdpayne | Sorry that I'm late | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | Are there still OSSG people here? | 18:08 |
| bpb | np | 18:08 |
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| bpb | I'm here, and Malini was a couple of minutes age | 18:08 |
| bpb | ago | 18:08 |
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| bdpayne | ok | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | well, hi bpb | 18:09 |
| bpb | hi | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | Anything to report / discuss from your end? | 18:09 |
| malini1 | hello! | 18:10 |
| bpb | We'll be having a meeting with Jarret and Malini this afternoon to discuss the Volume Encryption/Barbican user session slides | 18:10 |
| malini1 | I just became aware of RALLY in openstack and am excited, a vehicle to test performance and bottlenecks | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | bpb sounds good, I'm looking forward to those sessions | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | so we have a small group today | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | the primary thing I wanted to bring up was the securityimpact reviews | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | there have been a lot of review requests there lately | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | more than I can keep up with | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | and I'd love to see more OSSG people involved in that | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | is that something that either of you could help to drive? | 18:12 |
| malini1 | apologies, will look at some. I will be traveling next week, summit and then out rest of November. | 18:12 |
| malini1 | absolutely, was about to look at one just now | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | perhaps by working with people from your respective organizations as well | 18:13 |
| bpb | I can get the word out at APL for more involvement | 18:13 |
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| bdpayne | thanks, that would be helpful | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | do either of you know the status of the dev sessions at the summit? | 18:14 |
| malini1 | good point bdpayne, will get my team involved, we have a neutron expert and a nova expert in the making | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | as in, when the accepted ones will be announced? | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | (or perhaps they have been?) | 18:15 |
| malini1 | dev sessions review is still in progress | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | I've been pretty heads down over here, so entirely possible that I missed something | 18:15 |
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| bpb | Our ephemeral disk encryption dev session wasn't accepted - they said it would not be controversial and didn't need one | 18:15 |
| malini1 | my geo-tag stuff was rejected but still positive, saying similar enough to TCP to not need a session, which i agree with | 18:15 |
| bdpayne | bpb that's good, I guess | 18:16 |
| bpb | We're both getting bad and good news at once | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | interesting | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | so is there a list of the accepted sessions somewhere? | 18:16 |
| malini1 | actually good news, we have the time to listen in on others if ours are not controversial, | 18:16 |
| bpb | I'm not aware of a list | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | perhaps this is it? http://summit.openstack.org/ | 18:16 |
| malini1 | go to the session submit site, things get updated there | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | ok, great | 18:17 |
| malini1 | my group at intel has one accepted on pcie-passthrough next steps | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | ah interesting | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | hardware passthrough always makes the security side of me cringe a bit ;-) | 18:18 |
| bpb | me too | 18:18 |
| malini1 | and that is why you will be a valuable attender at that session :-) | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | indeed | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | ok, so I'll review this list and see about updating my google doc with sessions that are security related | 18:19 |
| malini1 | other intel sessions/blueprints at least are in virtual network services | 18:19 |
| malini1 | those just will not perform unless we have some level of pass through | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | I'm also planning to put together some OSSG meeting at the summit, details are TBD | 18:19 |
| bdpayne | I'll email the whole group... which is now actually rather large | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | but, the main thing on my mind is thinking about the best path forward for OSSG and how we can be most effective for Icehouse | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | If you have any thoughts / ideas / input / etc for that, I'd love to hear it | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | beyond that, I think that's about it for today | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | With regards to the next few weeks | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | I think we'll take the next 2 weeks off in terms of IRC meetings | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | And then we can return to our normal schedule on Nov 14 | 18:22 |
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| bpb | sounds good | 18:22 |
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| malini1 | OK, signing off! Safe trip everyone | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | ok guys, cya later | 18:23 |
| bpb | yes, have a safe trip | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 18:23:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-24-18.07.html | 18:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-10-24-18.07.txt | 18:23 |
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| harlowja | #startmeeting state-management | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 24 20:00:13 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is harlowja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'state_management' | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi folks | 20:00 |
| iv_m | hi there | 20:00 |
| harlowja | hi hi | 20:00 |
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| harlowja | lets see who shows up, ha | 20:01 |
| harlowja | i just noticed these, i think we can close them, as they don't need to be in nova anymore :-P | 20:02 |
| harlowja | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/structured-state-management-core-library | 20:02 |
| harlowja | forgot i even made those, ha | 20:02 |
| harlowja | guess we'll have a micro-meeting today then :) | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StateManagement | 20:02 |
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| harlowja | think a good think just to discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow | 20:03 |
| harlowja | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/taskflow | 20:03 |
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| harlowja | was thinking checkpointing, a basic distributed engine, book-retention, and zk-logbook from changbl | 20:04 |
| harlowja | and maybe a basic job-reference-impl | 20:04 |
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| harlowja | so those 5 things (if we can) | 20:04 |
| iv_m | i think i've got some kind of plan for reversion strategies | 20:05 |
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| harlowja | k | 20:05 |
| * iv_m is prepearing design doce with colorful pictures of graphs) | 20:05 | |
| harlowja | ha | 20:05 |
| harlowja | ponies included? | 20:05 |
| iv_m | no, i thought we agreed ponies are out of scope of taskflow | 20:06 |
| harlowja | damn it | 20:06 |
| harlowja | :( | 20:06 |
| harlowja | k, so checkpointing (which might include basic retention?), distributed engine (basic), reversion-strategies, zk-logbook | 20:06 |
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| harlowja | and of course integration into openstack | 20:07 |
| harlowja | *cinder, glance, nova | 20:07 |
| harlowja | *more integration that is | 20:07 |
| changbl | hey guys, | 20:07 |
| harlowja | hi changbl ! | 20:07 |
| changbl | sorry i am late | 20:07 |
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| iv_m | hi | 20:07 |
| harlowja | np | 20:07 |
| harlowja | also btw, 0.1 tag is almost made, there is some problem with gerrit that i am working with them on | 20:07 |
| harlowja | something about permissions not being assigned correctly | 20:08 |
| changbl | cool | 20:08 |
| harlowja | we were just talking about what to try to do for 0.2 | 20:08 |
| changbl | look forward to 0.1 | 20:08 |
| harlowja | thinking so checkpointing (which might include basic retention?), distributed engine (basic), reversion-strategies, zk-logbook | 20:08 |
| harlowja | and of course high priority on integration | 20:08 |
| changbl | i see, i am scrolling back the log | 20:08 |
| harlowja | np | 20:08 |
| harlowja | those don't seem like to much (more priority on integration of 0.1 i think) | 20:09 |
| harlowja | and if we can, DuncanT has a FSM we can try to work with him on | 20:09 |
| harlowja | *or is working on* | 20:09 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderTaskFlowFSM | 20:09 |
| harlowja | the FSM would be a nice to have | 20:10 |
| harlowja | seems reasonable? | 20:11 |
| iv_m | sure | 20:11 |
| changbl | did not read it into detail, but i like the idea of associating each entity with a state machine | 20:11 |
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| harlowja | changbl ya, its still a WIP, so i think we can help make it appear, although what it is yet is TBD :) | 20:11 |
| changbl | sure | 20:12 |
| harlowja | i am hoping we dive the FSM into that at the summit (or maybe an unconference) with some cinder folks (and other interested parties) | 20:12 |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja talk to DuncanT about unconference (or similar) | 20:13 |
| changbl | sigh, too bad i won't be there :( | 20:13 |
| harlowja | :( | 20:13 |
| harlowja | i will channel your good will | 20:13 |
| changbl | :) | 20:13 |
| harlowja | cool | 20:14 |
| harlowja | #topic integration | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | i think this deserves a whole little session, just to share proposals/ideas | 20:14 |
| harlowja | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TaskflowIcehouseWhoWhatWhereWhy | 20:14 |
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| harlowja | so i think we have a few cinder sessions, and i think anastasia (and i) want to continue doing work there (and others) | 20:15 |
| harlowja | so cinder i feel is going good | 20:15 |
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| harlowja | glance, i've talked with markwash and explained taskflow ideas and such | 20:16 |
| harlowja | and i think there will be some talks at the summit, http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/120 (and others) | 20:16 |
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| harlowja | i think good progress going there | 20:16 |
| harlowja | nova i have a joint session with john garbutt and am forming some blueprints for nova to try to get some traction there | 20:17 |
| gokrokve | You can cover not just import\export but image migration feature too. | 20:17 |
| gokrokve | I saw some BP in glance about more smart image management and distribution. | 20:17 |
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| harlowja | gokrokve sure, i'm hoping the glance folks do the integration :) | 20:17 |
| * markwash is listening | 20:18 | |
| harlowja | markwash ^ | 20:18 |
| markwash | harlowja: review help would be nice of course | 20:18 |
| harlowja | some summit talks and unconference and stuff i think are going well for glance | 20:18 |
| harlowja | of course markwash :) | 20:18 |
| harlowja | never fear! we are here , ha | 20:19 |
| harlowja | so nova 'front', i am hoping will have some stuff going there for icehouse, thinking harlowja and iv_m can see what we can do there :) | 20:19 |
| harlowja | i'd be happy with basics :) | 20:20 |
| harlowja | and then heat, http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/121 | 20:20 |
| harlowja | i think that will just be more information sharing and discussion | 20:20 |
| harlowja | #action harlowja gotta work with zaneb on that | 20:20 |
| * harlowja damn i'm doing alot of sessions | 20:21 | |
| gokrokve | What do you think about nova using taskflow for VM instantiation. Potetnially user can extend workflow to add more actions during the creation of VM without rewriting nova code. | 20:21 |
| harlowja | gokrokve so about a 9 months ago, taskflow version 0.00001 NTT and y! actually did that | 20:21 |
| harlowja | and we showed it at the conference as a prototype | 20:21 |
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| harlowja | i think we have to take it a little slower though (for better or worse) | 20:22 |
| gokrokve | That's cool. Why it still not in nova? | 20:22 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:22 |
| harlowja | so i think partially because me and others believed this is better as a library, so diverted path for a short period to build that library | 20:23 |
| harlowja | and i think it was also to big of a change for nova at the time | 20:23 |
| gokrokve | got it. Still it is valuable extension for nova. | 20:23 |
| harlowja | totally agreed | 20:23 |
| harlowja | and i hope we can get some traction there in icehouse | 20:24 |
| harlowja | gokrokve make more sense now :) | 20:25 |
| harlowja | * make more sense now? | 20:25 |
| gokrokve | yes | 20:25 |
| harlowja | oslo integration also, http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/118 | 20:25 |
| harlowja | i think that one will maybe be about what taskflow is, where does it fit in oslo (does it?) | 20:26 |
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| harlowja | is it just a naming association (taskflow is in oslo, when its still a library) | 20:26 |
| gokrokve | I am not sure how it is related to oslo. | 20:26 |
| harlowja | well oslo is a set of common libraries for openstack right? | 20:27 |
| harlowja | set = [rpc, log, config] | 20:27 |
| harlowja | set += [taskflow] ? | 20:27 |
| gokrokve | Yep. Makes sense. | 20:27 |
| gokrokve | oslo.taskflow | 20:28 |
| harlowja | possibly, idk | 20:28 |
| harlowja | to me thats just 'branding' in a way | 20:28 |
| harlowja | *which has its uses | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | taskflow still exists no matter | 20:28 |
| harlowja | with our without 'oslo.' prefix :) | 20:28 |
| harlowja | *or | 20:28 |
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| harlowja | anyways, so thats oslo integration | 20:28 |
| gokrokve | Yes. It looks like that being adopted by multiple projects is a requirement. | 20:29 |
| harlowja | but is sqlalchemy part of oslo? | 20:29 |
| harlowja | its used everywhere | 20:29 |
| gokrokve | No. And it looks like because oslo is an API library | 20:29 |
| harlowja | what libraries aren't API libraries? | 20:30 |
| harlowja | :) | 20:30 |
| gokrokve | I am probably confused with REAST API. | 20:30 |
| harlowja | k, gotcha | 20:30 |
| harlowja | ya, so i'm unsure what oslo buys us (besides sponsorship) so we'll see what happens in that session | 20:30 |
| gokrokve | The API should be generally useful and a "good fit" - e.g. it shouldn't encode any assumptions specific to the project it originated from, it should follow a style consistent with other Oslo APIs and should fit generally in a theme like error handling, configuration options, time and date, notifications, WSGI, etc | 20:30 |
| gokrokve | They actually also mix REST API (WSGI) and probably other API's like library interfaces | 20:31 |
| harlowja | sounds like any library i've worked with :-P | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | ya, so we'll see what happens at summit related to that | 20:31 |
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| harlowja | so thats all the integration talks that i'll be pushing around :) | 20:32 |
| harlowja | anyone else have any? | 20:32 |
| harlowja | oh, and of course mistral | 20:32 |
| harlowja | which is WIP :) | 20:32 |
| harlowja | working with gokrokve and others for mistral | 20:33 |
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| gokrokve | Do you have time slot in taskflow sessions for Mistral? | 20:33 |
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| gokrokve | We can prepare etherpads with design proposals and other stuff to discuss. | 20:34 |
| gokrokve | I believe we already did something in this direction. | 20:34 |
| harlowja | gokrokve the only one i see partially releated to mistral is the heat one | 20:34 |
| harlowja | #link http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/121 | 20:34 |
| harlowja | otherwise i think it will have to be unconference like (not official session) | 20:35 |
| gokrokve | ok | 20:35 |
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| harlowja | for the speaker session i am doing (not design session) i have a slide for mistral :) | 20:35 |
| * harlowja can't find the link off hand for that | 20:36 | |
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| harlowja | if u guys want to see a prototype (version 3.5) of those slides, email me (or ask later) | 20:36 |
| harlowja | rather not publize them until earlier to the summt | 20:36 |
| harlowja | *when i'll drop them on slideshare | 20:37 |
| harlowja | hopefully the deck will be useful :) | 20:37 |
| gokrokve | ok. I will ask Ruslan to prepare some data for you and then we can discuss this slide. | 20:38 |
| harlowja | k | 20:38 |
| harlowja | gokrokve do u want to give a little summary of your current thoughts for mistral (or should we wait?) | 20:39 |
| harlowja | #topic mistral | 20:39 |
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| gokrokve | We are working on two major documents: 1) use cases with detailed description of how Mistral can be used | 20:41 |
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| gokrokve | 2) Q&A documents with answers for most common questions | 20:41 |
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| gokrokve | Also we are preparing initial etherpad page for Mistral design | 20:42 |
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| harlowja | awesome :) | 20:42 |
| harlowja | looks like good progress, making sure the foundation is solid | 20:42 |
| gokrokve | Also I see an invite for tomorrow for hangout meeting with taskflow team. But frankly, I don't see anyone from your team in this invitation. | 20:43 |
| harlowja | i'm there :) | 20:43 |
| harlowja | iv_m if he wants to be | 20:43 |
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| harlowja | at least i think i'm there, ha | 20:44 |
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| harlowja | *and if anyone else wants, please join | 20:44 |
| gokrokve | Probably. My calendar shows only mirantis folks, though | 20:45 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 20:45 |
| harlowja | i'll double check | 20:45 |
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| harlowja | #action harlowja make sure hangout in | 20:46 |
| harlowja | thx gokrokve , i'll make sure i'm there | 20:46 |
| harlowja | #topic open-discuss | 20:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open-discuss (Meeting topic: state-management)" | 20:47 | |
| harlowja | anything else for people to discuss? if not we can end early | 20:47 |
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| harlowja | goiiing once | 20:48 |
| harlowja | goiiing twice | 20:48 |
| harlowja | sold! | 20:48 |
| harlowja | k, keep up the good work folks, and thanks for coming :) | 20:49 |
| harlowja | more fun times of course in #openstack-state-management | 20:49 |
| harlowja | questions, answers and more goodness there | 20:49 |
| harlowja | #endmeeting | 20:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 20:49:46 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-24-20.00.html | 20:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-24-20.00.txt | 20:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/state_management/2013/state_management.2013-10-24-20.00.log.html | 20:49 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 24 21:02:09 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| russellb | hello, everyone! | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:02 |
| beagles | bonjour | 21:02 |
| melwitt | hi | 21:02 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:02 |
| yjiang5 | hi | 21:02 |
| hartsocks | \o | 21:02 |
| russellb | just a couple of things to cover today ... | 21:02 |
| russellb | #topic design summit | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design summit (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| cyeoh_ | hi | 21:02 |
| russellb | technically the deadline for session proposals was a week ago | 21:03 |
| russellb | we have the schedule mostly completed in an etherpad, and i'll be finalizing it tomorrow | 21:03 |
| russellb | so ... last call for anything that's missing | 21:03 |
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| russellb | i think it's going to be a really good set of sessions | 21:03 |
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| russellb | we (the group doing the schedule) decided we wanted to try something a little different this time | 21:04 |
| russellb | we're having some nova unconference time slots | 21:04 |
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| russellb | for people with shorter topics to get up and talk for a few minutes (10 minutes each) | 21:04 |
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| russellb | i'll post something to the ML about that to start accepting sign-ups for that next week | 21:04 |
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| russellb | they'll all be the session right after lunch | 21:05 |
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| russellb | or at least that's the plan right now | 21:05 |
| russellb | any questions about design summit stuff? | 21:05 |
| russellb | should have the first cut at the schedule published sometime tomorrow | 21:05 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: seems still some proposal marked un revirewed, are they reviewed already? | 21:05 |
| russellb | most of the review has been done in an etherpad and hasn't been applied to the site yet, sorry | 21:06 |
| russellb | which session are you wondering about? | 21:06 |
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| yjiang5 | russellb: got it. | 21:06 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: my seeion of the enhance for the resource tracker. | 21:06 |
| russellb | let me check | 21:06 |
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| yjiang5 | russellb: if not accepted, don't rush for it :) | 21:07 |
| russellb | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/251 | 21:07 |
| russellb | alaski left a comment, we were planning to not have that one because of the reason he said | 21:07 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: thanks, will have a look | 21:07 |
| russellb | basically we just thought it was a good idea, and nothing to really debate | 21:07 |
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| russellb | you could use a nova unconference slot if you'd like to discuss it briefly though | 21:07 |
| dansmith | yjiang5: I thought you weren't going to be at summit? | 21:08 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: great then I can begin work on it, with next level details. | 21:08 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: yes, but my colleague can help me on it. | 21:08 |
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| dansmith | okay | 21:08 |
| russellb | anyone else itching to know about their session? | 21:08 |
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| russellb | when the schedule gets published, it will show up on http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/ | 21:09 |
| russellb | so watch there for updates | 21:09 |
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| russellb | #topic icehouse blueprints | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "icehouse blueprints (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:10 | |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/017290.html | 21:10 |
| russellb | we spoke about this topic last week | 21:10 |
| russellb | that message is pretty much putting the details in writing more officially | 21:10 |
| russellb | haven't seen any big requests for change, so we'll proceed with that process | 21:11 |
| russellb | any more comments or questions about it? | 21:11 |
| * mriedem waits for 11/22 | 21:11 | |
| russellb | we'll also discuss it in a design summit session | 21:12 |
| russellb | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/341 | 21:12 |
| russellb | "Nova Project Structure and Process" | 21:12 |
| russellb | among other things | 21:12 |
| russellb | generally, project scaling issues from an organization / process perspective | 21:12 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: So review priority is mostly based on the blueprint priority, and blueprint priority is based on core sponsor, right? | 21:13 |
| russellb | yes | 21:13 |
| dansmith | so, be sending your gifts to core members starting very soon | 21:13 |
| dansmith | (kidding) | 21:13 |
| russellb | core sponsor to get above Low | 21:13 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: that's what I'm considering :) | 21:14 |
| russellb | Medium/High/Essential will still be at the discretion of nova-drivers | 21:14 |
| russellb | based on how important it is to the release | 21:14 |
| dansmith | yjiang5: I like beer and expensive electronics, FYI | 21:14 |
| yjiang5 | dansmith: lol | 21:14 |
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| russellb | corruption in the system already ... sheesh | 21:15 |
| dansmith | heh, for the record I am JUST KIDDING | 21:15 |
| russellb | i don't think it really changes much, but it will make our blueprint list a more realistic reflection of reality | 21:15 |
| russellb | as far as priorities go | 21:15 |
| yjiang5 | russellb: agree. | 21:15 |
| dansmith | that is gift enough for me :) | 21:16 |
| russellb | so we'll see how it goes | 21:16 |
| russellb | hopefully it doesn't result in a bunch more nagging of "please sponsor my blueprint" | 21:16 |
| russellb | but we'll work it out :) | 21:16 |
| russellb | any blueprint process questions? | 21:16 |
| russellb | please get your icehouse blueprints in asap! | 21:16 |
| cyeoh_ | russellb: so where we have a fairly large hierarchy of blueprints (like the nova-v3-api) | 21:17 |
| russellb | after summit is fine though, i expect a majority will get put together the week after | 21:17 |
| cyeoh_ | are we expected to get sponsors for all the fairly small ones or just the "head" blueprint | 21:17 |
| russellb | cyeoh_: good question. | 21:17 |
| russellb | in theory, each sub-blueprint should represent a subset of the work | 21:18 |
| russellb | so it makes the most sense to get the sponsors on those | 21:18 |
| dansmith | I think we have to take that on a case-by-case basis, sponsoring the top nova-v3-api one might be too large, | 21:18 |
| russellb | yeah | 21:18 |
| dansmith | but for much smaller ones I can see just doing the head BP | 21:18 |
| russellb | but with blueprint priorities, we can't bump something under the top level one > Low without doing the same to the top one | 21:18 |
| russellb | it sets of ttx's blueprint consistency checking alarms | 21:19 |
| dansmith | hmm, I'm not sure if that makes sense, actually | 21:19 |
| dansmith | maybe we'll just have to split things up accordingly, | 21:19 |
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| dansmith | because I can expect to merge some objects work as very important, while others are not so much, all of which are under the icehouse-objects BP | 21:19 |
| russellb | actually it's the other way around, sorry | 21:20 |
| russellb | you can't call v3-api High, with pre-reqs at Low | 21:20 |
| russellb | sorry. | 21:20 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:20 |
| beagles | yeah, that makes more sense | 21:20 |
| dansmith | yeah :) | 21:20 |
| russellb | oops | 21:20 |
| cyeoh_ | ok that sounds fine, I guess we should mark the very small blueprints in some way that says we think it should take the priority of its parent? | 21:20 |
| cyeoh_ | or at least in terms of sponsors... | 21:21 |
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| dansmith | I think that's fine and nova-drivers can make the call | 21:21 |
| russellb | makes sense. the majority of blueprints are not a hierarchy | 21:22 |
| dansmith | cyeoh_: and if I catch you trying to cheat, I mark everything you've got as wishlist :D | 21:22 |
| cyeoh_ | hey! :-) | 21:22 |
| russellb | ha | 21:22 |
| russellb | no wishlist for blueprints :) | 21:22 |
| dansmith | I know | 21:22 |
| russellb | though there is a priority of "Not" | 21:22 |
| russellb | which i find kinda funny | 21:22 |
| dansmith | targeted: Zebra Release | 21:22 |
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| russellb | dansmith: or leave something targeted to "next" | 21:22 |
| dims | lol | 21:22 |
| russellb | it's like a permanent target of later | 21:23 |
| dansmith | russellb: no, cyeoh_ gets Zebra, or Zimbabwe or something | 21:23 |
| * dansmith stops distracting the meeting | 21:23 | |
| russellb | :) | 21:23 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:23 | |
| russellb | beagles: hi! | 21:23 |
| beagles | ohi | 21:23 |
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| russellb | beagles: do you happen to know about nova-network / neutron session scheduling? | 21:23 |
| * beagles feels like a deer caught in the headlights all of the sudden | 21:23 | |
| russellb | i haven't caught up with markmcclain to ask | 21:24 |
| russellb | :) | 21:24 |
| beagles | Crap, no I don't | 21:24 |
| russellb | ok | 21:24 |
| russellb | session proposed? | 21:24 |
| beagles | yes and "preapproved"? | 21:24 |
| russellb | perfect | 21:24 |
| russellb | i just need to look out for when that gets scheduled for | 21:24 |
| russellb | i really want to be there | 21:24 |
| russellb | conflicts are tough | 21:24 |
| * beagles nods | 21:24 | |
| russellb | any other topics for today? | 21:25 |
| beagles | I'll see what's up and get back to y'all asap | 21:25 |
| cyeoh_ | I have one question about bugs | 21:25 |
| russellb | beagles: cool sounds good | 21:25 |
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| yjiang5 | Does anyone know why we create the migration object in resource tracker? It's really should be outside of this. (is this meeting for tech discussion also?) | 21:26 |
| russellb | oh yes, bugs, we have those don't we | 21:26 |
| russellb | yjiang5: yes, tech discussion is fine in open discussion time | 21:26 |
| cyeoh_ | I've been going through all the api tagged bugs and noticed there are quite few which are assigned to people, but either have abandoned patches or no patches with no activity > 1 month | 21:26 |
| comstud | yjiang5: so that it's done inside of the lock | 21:26 |
| cyeoh_ | just wondering at what point it is ok to move those back to unassigned? | 21:26 |
| comstud | oops, not open disc time yet! | 21:26 |
| russellb | cyeoh_: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage#Task_5:_Review_stale_In_Progress_bugs_.28anyone.29 | 21:26 |
| russellb | cyeoh_: that basically qualifies as that category in the triage tasks | 21:27 |
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| yjiang5 | comstud: it's open discussion already . | 21:27 |
| russellb | cyeoh_: usually i think it's nice to leave one comment saying "are you still intending to work on this?" or something | 21:27 |
| comstud | so it is | 21:27 |
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| russellb | cyeoh_: then come back later and unassign and mark not inprogress | 21:27 |
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| cyeoh_ | russellb: ok, thanks, will do that. | 21:28 |
| yjiang5 | comstud: I will check why migration requries lock, especially per compute node lock. May back to you in nova channel. Thanks. | 21:28 |
| russellb | cyeoh_: great, thanks! | 21:29 |
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| russellb | anything else? | 21:29 |
| mriedem | guess i have a question about blueprints | 21:30 |
| russellb | mriedem: sure | 21:30 |
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| mriedem | we have an old db2 blueprint, but it's going to depend on db2 support in sqlalchemy-migrate | 21:30 |
| mriedem | if my migrate patches aren't merged by 11/22, or whenever the nova bp house cleaning happens, am i screwed? | 21:30 |
| mriedem | i'll already admit that the existing db2 blueprints need a lot of work, they were from late grizzly / early havana | 21:31 |
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| russellb | no, you're not screwed :) | 21:31 |
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| russellb | as long as we know they're not abandoned | 21:31 |
| russellb | ideally you can still target the nova one for someting like ... icehouse-2 or whatever | 21:31 |
| russellb | with a note saying it's dependent on this other thing getting done in time | 21:31 |
| mriedem | russellb: ok, yeah, i know the nova bp definitely won't be done in icehouse-1, probably not even 2 | 21:31 |
| russellb | ok, icehouse-3! | 21:31 |
| mriedem | i meant to get the migrate patches up like 3 weeks ago but things tend to pile up around here... | 21:32 |
| russellb | but you know what i mean? you should still be able to estimate completion of the nova work and ge it targeted | 21:32 |
| mriedem | russellb: yup | 21:32 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:32 |
| russellb | cool | 21:32 |
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| russellb | one last thing from me ... any objections to canceling next week? | 21:32 |
| mriedem | halloween party? | 21:33 |
| russellb | heh, yeah, it's a holiday in the US, and I know some of start travel the next day | 21:33 |
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| mriedem | no objections | 21:33 |
| russellb | ok, well meeting canceled next week ... and the week after | 21:34 |
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| russellb | we'll resume week after summit | 21:34 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 21:34 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:34 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 24 21:34:29 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:34 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-24-21.02.html | 21:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-24-21.02.txt | 21:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-10-24-21.02.log.html | 21:34 |
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