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| NobodyCam | #startmeeting Ironic | 19:00 |
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| NobodyCam | #chair devananda | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | agenda found at: | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 7 19:00:43 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NobodyCam. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | #toplic Greetings, roll-call and announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
| NobodyCam | Greetings everyone, who's here for the Ironic Meeting? | 19:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda | 19:00 |
| lucasagomes | o/ | 19:00 |
| * devananda waves | 19:01 | |
| dkehn | hi | 19:01 |
| romcheg | o/ | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | hey all :) | 19:01 |
| yuriyz | hi | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | hi yuriyz | 19:01 |
| NobodyCam | Ok the offical announcement: Hoodies.. "are in progress!".. w00t! | 19:01 |
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| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, nice! | 19:01 |
| romcheg | w00t! | 19:01 |
| linggao | hi | 19:01 |
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| devananda | :) | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | We're looking good on Our call for summit papers! | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:02 |
| martyntaylor1 | howdy! | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | hey martyntaylor1 | 19:02 |
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| devananda | re: summit proposals, i would like to point outthat there are several overlapping sessions proposed | 19:02 |
| NobodyCam | I'me good with squishing them down to one | 19:03 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 19:03 |
| NobodyCam | o/ GheRivero | 19:03 |
| devananda | i'm happy to help coordinate between folks, and/or just pick the one that seems to have the most detail in teh description | 19:03 |
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| devananda | i'm also thrilled to see that folks have similar (but slightly different) ideas about al lthese things :) | 19:04 |
| NobodyCam | We're a small enough group at this point I thing we can merge them down | 19:04 |
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| devananda | yes -- and we have to. we only get 5 slots | 19:04 |
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| NobodyCam | :) | 19:04 |
| devananda | so far I havent seen any bad proposals. but I'll have to merge a few, so dont take that as a rejection | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | when do we have to have that done by? | 19:05 |
| devananda | lemme check.. i think it's basically the-day-before-summit | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | ahh ok | 19:05 |
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| GheRivero | nice | 19:06 |
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| NobodyCam | anyone have anything else on summit paper while deva looks that up? | 19:06 |
| rloo | are the summit proposals avail at that 'view proposed Ironic talks here' link in agenda? | 19:06 |
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| romcheg | Who is going to arrive to HK earlier? | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | that gives me a forbidden | 19:07 |
| dkehn | me 2 | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | use the other link and sort by topic | 19:07 |
| rloo | yes, that's why I'm asking ;) | 19:07 |
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| NobodyCam | lol | 19:07 |
| dkehn | its the lemming effect | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:07 |
| NobodyCam | i tied to look in to that | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | but seems that what happens after the talks are accepted | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | ???? | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | so thats all I have | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | on theat | 19:08 |
| NobodyCam | *that | 19:08 |
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| NobodyCam | devananda: do you know what the ironic TALK that was accepted is? | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 19:09 |
| NobodyCam | and is there a updated link? | 19:09 |
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| devananda | k, wiki has nothing on closing-dates for the design summit. Let's assume 1-week-before to be safe | 19:09 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: there is a talk on baremetal provisioning by me | 19:10 |
| NobodyCam | #action nobodycam to add agenda topic to discuss summit papers | 19:10 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: and a talk by some other folks at HP about their work with baremetal on moonshot | 19:10 |
| * devananda finds links | 19:11 | |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | going to move on while you get those | 19:11 |
| devananda | #link http://openstacksummitnovember2013.sched.org/event/24f97e7cbb87119571f7b120e3d52e12#.UlMHdIaJBOU | 19:11 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:12 |
| devananda | #link http://openstacksummitnovember2013.sched.org/event/84364e80c063035bde40253a344fdbc7#.UlMHeIaJBOU | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | awesomeness | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | ok to move on? | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates | 19:12 |
| devananda | sure | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Outstanding, in-progress or Action Item updates (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:12 | |
| NobodyCam | I've got a couple of older ones on the list. | 19:12 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg: your almost the entire list | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | lol several are old | 19:13 |
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| NobodyCam | ACTION(9/30/2013): romcheg to propose a non-gating job to -infra | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | ACTION(9/30/2013): romcheg to add python-ironicclient to devstack install scripts | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | ACTION(9/16/2013): devananda to think about a Transifex project for Ironic | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | ACTION(9/16/2013): romcheg looking at Ukrainian and Russian transifex translations | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | ACTION(9/16/2013): romcheg Check how i18n conplient we are | 19:13 |
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| romcheg | ok, about i18n | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:14 |
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| devananda | i'm pinging clarkb to see where I dropped the ball on transifex. I'lll get that going again | 19:14 |
| NobodyCam | w00t | 19:15 |
| romcheg | In the most of the code we use gettext so we can start translating as soon as we got a project on transifex | 19:15 |
| romcheg | After the project was created we will need an infra job for translation | 19:15 |
| devananda | any LOG or exception messages not using gettext should be considered a bug and fixed | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | and -1'd on reviews :) | 19:16 |
| romcheg | +1 | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: do we want one "make ironic i18n compliet bug or per find bug | 19:16 |
| NobodyCam | :-p or one bug per find | 19:17 |
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| romcheg | NobodyCam: only if someone needs Launchpad karma to live :) | 19:18 |
| lucasagomes | one bug per find sounds overkill | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | si | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:18 |
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| NobodyCam | ok to move on then | 19:18 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Integration and testing | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | oh.. I've updated the dib walk thru | 19:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Integration and testing (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:19 | |
| NobodyCam | anything on the Devstack side? | 19:19 |
| romcheg | Regarding my other action items: I'm still working on tempest and infra. As I mentioned in the #openstack-ironic, I'm trying to catch up on that | 19:19 |
| NobodyCam | oh I'm sorry romcheg | 19:19 |
| romcheg | NP | 19:20 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:20 |
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| romcheg | Even using tempest on my local machine I found several bugs :) | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | anything on testing (or action items) :-p | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | awesome | 19:21 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:21 |
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| NobodyCam | did you file bugs for what you've found so far? | 19:22 |
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| romcheg | I filed one to Ironic and uploaded the fix today | 19:22 |
| romcheg | The others were in devstack | 19:22 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:22 |
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| romcheg | it looks like nobody reads bugs in devstack so I just uploaded patches | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | lol... awesome romcheg :) | 19:23 |
| NobodyCam | go to move on? | 19:24 |
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| NobodyCam | ok moving on to: | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | topic Python-IronicClient | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | #topic Python-IronicClient | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Python-IronicClient (Meeting topic: Ironic)" | 19:25 | |
| NobodyCam | awesome work lucas | 19:25 |
| NobodyCam | and everyone | 19:25 |
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| lucasagomes | yea on the client I think all the basic stuffs are already implemented | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | we have a working cli client | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | so that leads me to : Are we ready for nova bindings? | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | we need to add some other things to the client lib, like vendor_passthru (when it's sorted out) | 19:26 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, I think so yea | 19:26 |
| devananda | vendor_passthru would only be needed for the PXE post-back | 19:27 |
| devananda | not the nova driver | 19:27 |
| devananda | we'll need to sort the nesting / namespacing of driver options | 19:27 |
| devananda | changing that will affect teh noav driver | 19:27 |
| devananda | so may as well fix the nesting in ironic first | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | yes, but it's on ironic | 19:27 |
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| devananda | the option names and API calls to set them will change, no? | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | it's the options that goes in the driver_info, so currently you can add whatever you want there | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: can we put up the basic framwork for the nova driver? | 19:29 |
| lucasagomes | the driver will validate it, but off the top of my head there's no changes on the api or client | 19:29 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: right. so the parameter names that the noav driver uses (when it sends the PXE info to ironic) will need to match the ironic pxe driver | 19:29 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: yep! I can do that | 19:29 |
| devananda | #action devananda to write framework for noav-ironic driver | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | awesome | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | ness | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | :), I will work on the bug you filled today as well | 19:30 |
| * lucasagomes getting the link | 19:30 | |
| devananda | anyone stood up a dev environment and had success with ironic powering on a VM or doing a deploy yet? | 19:30 |
| lucasagomes | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1236533 | 19:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1236533 in ironic "driver options should be namespaced and documented" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:30 |
| devananda | *a tripleo devtest environment, using ironic element | 19:30 |
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| NobodyCam | not yet here.. but much closer | 19:32 |
| devananda | k, that's also on my list -- at this point, I think it should work | 19:32 |
| devananda | ah! docs for the CLI | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | anything else on the cli / python cliet | 19:33 |
| NobodyCam | ahh yes | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | ^ docs missing yea | 19:33 |
| devananda | eg, how to patch netsted resources, change power state, etc | 19:33 |
| uvirtbot | lucasagomes: Error: "docs" is not a valid command. | 19:33 |
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| lucasagomes | yea give me one action on that | 19:33 |
| lucasagomes | I think it makes sense to me to document it | 19:34 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 19:34 |
| devananda | #action lucasagomes to add CLI docs to ironic developer doc pages | 19:34 |
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| devananda | we should also get something up here at some point: | 19:34 |
| devananda | #link http://docs.openstack.org/api/api-specs.html | 19:34 |
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| NobodyCam | our api been changing so fast | 19:35 |
| NobodyCam | it would outdate quickly | 19:35 |
| lucasagomes | yea I will take a look on the how to contribute link, idk how to add things to that page | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | that leads me to : | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | #topic API discussion | 19:36 |
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| NobodyCam | there were questions on vendor_passthru? | 19:37 |
| lucasagomes | so I think that our new epic discussion on that topic would be the vendor_passthru | 19:37 |
| NobodyCam | heheh | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | yuriyz, raised a question last week, whether vendor passthru should return a response body or not | 19:38 |
| yuriyz | i agree that not at this moment | 19:38 |
| lucasagomes | currently it doesn't because we are doing a async call, and we dont want to have any monitor object returned | 19:39 |
| lucasagomes | anyone has any thoughts on that? | 19:39 |
| NobodyCam | hummm | 19:39 |
| devananda | one challenge with vendor_passthru is it is trying to enable "anything a vendor wants to do", and right now, we dont have vendors telling us what they want | 19:39 |
| devananda | our only initial use is pxe driver post-back | 19:39 |
| devananda | from the deploy ramdisk | 19:40 |
| lucasagomes | so the idea is that, if u want to monitor the state of the node after a vendor_passthru call, you can keep pooling the node-show <id> and look at the states there | 19:40 |
| devananda | and that ^ makes sense for task-like requests | 19:40 |
| devananda | but not for informatiion requests | 19:40 |
| devananda | ahh | 19:40 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: any reason why vendor_passthru could not do this | 19:41 |
| devananda | return a body for GET (and do a synchronous interaction with conductor) | 19:41 |
| devananda | return 202 for POST/PUT/etc and do an async cast to conductor | 19:41 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, we can def return a body for GET | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | but how we need some identifier no? | 19:42 |
| lucasagomes | s/how// | 19:42 |
| devananda | what are you thinking needs to be identified? | 19:43 |
| devananda | GET /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/{some_resource} | 19:43 |
| yuriyz | and new method name | 19:43 |
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| lucasagomes | like you make a call POST /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/something | 19:44 |
| devananda | ah | 19:45 |
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| lucasagomes | so hmm that is not returning anything | 19:45 |
| lucasagomes | so once you do a GET on the same url, it should return what? the status of the previous something call? | 19:45 |
| devananda | right | 19:46 |
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| lucasagomes | so that means that we can only call one something per time | 19:46 |
| devananda | so the question seems to be, can a vendor have resources that are distinct from the node, and dont have a 1:1 relationship | 19:46 |
| devananda | POST /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/unicorns | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | *pink Unicorns | 19:47 |
| devananda | do that a few times,a nd the node should have a few unicorns. but then, how do you GET those? ... GET /nodes/{UUID}/vendor_passthru/unicorns -> returns the set of unicorns | 19:48 |
| devananda | that doesn't really work :( | 19:48 |
| devananda | the POST should be returning the resource identifier :( | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | yea, for that we might need to have POST to return some id | 19:48 |
| lucasagomes | yes | 19:48 |
| NobodyCam | yep | 19:49 |
| yuriyz | or some links | 19:49 |
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| devananda | is it reasonable to require vendors not to have any resources of their own that do not have a 1:1 node:resource relationship? | 19:49 |
| lucasagomes | I think at least for v1 it's reasonable | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | I like single id or single link to status for tranzx | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | because we don't know yet what are their use cases | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: +1 right now its do what nova BM does | 19:50 |
| lucasagomes | so we have to assume something | 19:50 |
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| devananda | so if we impose that, then I think synch GET, async POST is fine. it's not ideal -- POST is a black hole that will eat your data and never tell you if it fails | 19:51 |
| devananda | but that could at elast be improved via the validation call | 19:51 |
| devananda | (and there's a note in there that I need to fix the race condition between validatea nd do) | 19:52 |
| NobodyCam | ok 8 minutes left | 19:52 |
| devananda | well | 19:52 |
| devananda | let's d othis for now, and hopefully we'll get manyd iscussions with vendors about this at the summit | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | ok maybe on this http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/97 design session | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | we should try to raise some question about the vendor_passthru? | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: ++ | 19:53 |
| yuriyz | we need vendor feedback | 19:53 |
| lucasagomes | because vendors will be there | 19:53 |
| NobodyCam | yes! | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | so that would be a good oportunitty to talk to them directly | 19:54 |
| devananda | i can also add that to the release path session: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/139 | 19:54 |
| lucasagomes | that would be great | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | ok for last 5 min | 19:54 |
| NobodyCam | #topic open discussion / Food For Thought | 19:54 |
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| lucasagomes | how is the coffee driver? | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | i wanted to hank everyone for the awesome progress this last week | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | we where running low on time | 19:55 |
| NobodyCam | and I have no reall progress to speak of :-p | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | on the coffee driver I will get back in to that this week | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | :) | 19:56 |
| NobodyCam | any thing else | 19:57 |
| devananda | not here | 19:57 |
| devananda | thanks everyone! | 19:57 |
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| NobodyCam | great meeting Thank you all | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | ! | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | sounds more related to ceilometer, but this thing is pretty cool: http://linux-ha.org/source-doc/assimilation/html/index.html#autoconfiguration | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 7 19:58:57 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
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| Swami | Hi all | 20:59 |
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| geoffarnold | good afternoon | 21:01 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando, garyk: around? | 21:02 |
| salv-orlando | aloha! | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 7 21:02:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
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| salv-orlando | I was in the wrong room | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:02 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | RC1 was released last week: http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/neutron-2013.2.rc1.tar.gz | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | Please take this time to test the release candidate. | 21:03 |
| roaet | o/ | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | If you find a bug please file on launchpad. | 21:03 |
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| markmcclain | If you've got a bug that needs to be fixed in the final release please tag a havana-rc-potential | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | We've a found a few bugs that will necessitate an RC2 | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | that will be Thursday of this week | 21:05 |
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| markmcclain | To make things easier for the release team, please do not target bugs for RC2. If something needs to be targets please contact me offline. | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | Speaking of bugs… | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | #topic Bugs | 21:06 |
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| markmcclain | We've still got 3 bugs will are causing problems in the gate | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1224001 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress] | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | aloha again! | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1211915 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,In progress] | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: I know you've spent a lot of time looking into the first one. Want to fill us in? | 21:07 |
| salv-orlando | I actually have spent a lot of time with idle thumbs waiting for devstack-gate jobs to complete | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | anyway, the gist of the failure is that either rpc_loop or sync_routers_task hang at some point | 21:08 |
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| salv-orlando | if they hang, the looping call does not execute anymore and API commands are not implemented on the l3 agent | 21:09 |
| enikanorov | salv-orlando: is the issue reproducible in regular devstack setup? | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | hence, no floating IP - and therefore the failure | 21:09 |
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| salv-orlando | enikanorov: I've spawned 104 different devstack-gate vms with no luck | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | happens only on the gate | 21:09 |
| enikanorov | i see | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | 104 is the real number of vms I've spawned | 21:10 |
| markmcclain | definitely some kind of race condition that the gate seems to trigger more readily | 21:10 |
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| salv-orlando | anyway the cause of the hang is subprocess.Popen.communicate never returning | 21:10 |
| dkehn | any news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1224001 - its killing the check-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-isolated & check-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-pg-isolated, or it is believe to be the issue | 21:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress] | 21:10 |
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| markmcclain | dkehn: that is what we're discussing | 21:10 |
| salv-orlando | dkehn: that's what we're discussing | 21:10 |
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| dkehn | ouch | 21:11 |
| dkehn | thx | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | I've found out that openstack.common.processutils.execute always does a sleep | 21:11 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: termies patch didn't fix the problem? | 21:11 |
| salv-orlando | and there's a comment that say 'we do this otherwise subprocess.popen hangs' | 21:11 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: it fixed the problem, partly. | 21:12 |
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| salv-orlando | Because arping kept hanging!!! Even with -w option specified | 21:12 |
| salv-orlando | And I've no idea how that could happen | 21:12 |
| marun | salv-orlando: i'm confused - why only partly? | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | So I suggest to do a few changes to execute() in neutron.agent.linux.utils | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | marun: because before it was hanging on pretty much any command, | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | after doing the change in execute() I only observed hanging while executing arping | 21:13 |
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| salv-orlando | this happened for 18 failures out 18 | 21:13 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: How about the patch introduces spawn for arpoing? | 21:13 |
| marun | crazy | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | I have not following other patches; that would not block the process but will still leave green threads hanging | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | for the gate, I think we can say that we can disable gratuitous apr | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | apr -> arp | 21:14 |
| salv-orlando | just for the gate… there's a configuration option after all | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | here's the spawn for GARP patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49063/ | 21:15 |
| haleyb | yes, i would agree with above - spawn would succeed, but arping hang would consume greenthread | 21:15 |
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| salv-orlando | haleyb: honestly I am happy either way | 21:16 |
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| salv-orlando | either by disabling it on the gate or by spawning in a noter thread | 21:16 |
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| nati_ueno | let's disable it for now. | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | Indeed I think I also comment on bug 1233391 that I believed it had the same root case as bug 1224001 | 21:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1233391 in neutron "arping can be spawned in background to speed-up floating IP assignment" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1233391 | 21:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1224001 in neutron "test_network_basic_ops fails waiting for network to become available" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1224001 | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | and test the patch work or not | 21:17 |
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| marun | …there's another possibility btw | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno, markmcclain: disabling GARP on gate will require also a change in devstack-gate and a change in devstack | 21:17 |
| salv-orlando | although they're trivial changes | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | it should be easy | 21:17 |
| nati_ueno | so default off is only for gating? | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | what's the change to devstack? making GARP configuratble? | 21:18 |
| marun | the async process class I've added as part of the polling minimization might be a alternate way of handling process threading | 21:18 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: in devstack we need something to do the iniset on the conf variable | 21:19 |
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| salv-orlando | in devstack-gate we need to set the value to 0 | 21:19 |
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| salv-orlando | marun: you've done only the l2 agent part so far, is that right? | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: ok | 21:19 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: let's me take the patch | 21:20 |
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| marun | salv-orlando: sure, but the async process class can be used for running any process, not just ovsdb-client | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno: are you suggesting to take the GARP patch from bhaley or are you offering to do the devstack patch for disabling GARP on the gate? | 21:20 |
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| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: devstack and devstack-gate patch for disabling GARP on the gate | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | marun: agreed. I was just wondering whether we could use this out of the box in the l3 agent too | 21:21 |
| markmcclain | I'm still a bit concerned that we'll end up making the gate pass, but in production deployers will encounter the lockup | 21:21 |
| marun | salv-orlando: it's on a process-by-process basis I'm afraid. | 21:21 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno: thanks. Let's first agree on a direction. I won't mind just merging bhaley's patch too | 21:21 |
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| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: markmcclain: sure | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: me too. | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | the only downside of the bhaley's patch is we potentially leak greenthreads right? | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | Not having been able to reproduce locally, I am still at a loss about why arping should hang | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: correct. We'll leak one for each time arping hangs | 21:22 |
| salv-orlando | but we could easily put all those threads in a pool all kill them mercilessly if they've lived for more than say 10 seconds | 21:23 |
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| markmcclain | yeah that would be an approach | 21:24 |
| marun | oy | 21:24 |
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| marun | you know we're desperate when…. :\ | 21:24 |
| salv-orlando | in the icehouse timeframe than we would be able to use marun code and therefore have an orderly an systematic approach for managing async tasks | 21:25 |
| marun | agreed that we need a fix now, though. | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | I'd be interested to see what the deadlock would be of spawning the garp and the other fixes you've been working on | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | *deadlock rate | 21:25 |
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| salv-orlando | I can rebase on top of bhaley patch. | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | both might be a good first step that we merge sooner | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | and if we need to add a kill the stalled threads we can do that as follow up | 21:26 |
| markmcclain | I think the sooner we can get this in, the sooner more folks can test | 21:26 |
| salv-orlando | ok, so do we have consensus that as a stopgap measure we're going to fix execute in neutron.agent.utils, and spawn GARP into its own thread? | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | that would be my choice | 21:27 |
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| salv-orlando | +1 from me | 21:27 |
| nati_ueno | +1 | 21:28 |
| marun | +1, let's just make sure to file another bug that ensures we have a longer-term solution on the horizon | 21:28 |
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| armax | +1 from me too, it's best to ship havana with one less opportunity for a deadlock | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | marun: agreed we'll need a long term bug | 21:28 |
| salv-orlando | I think we should mark the commit messages as partial-bug and leave the bug open for havana with a lessere priority | 21:28 |
| marun | salv-orlando: +1 | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 21:28 |
| rkukura | +1 | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | We've consensus on a direction for this one | 21:29 |
| salv-orlando | yeah, let's move to the next bug | 21:29 |
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| markmcclain | Are there any other bugs the teams needs to discuss? | 21:30 |
| armax | there's bug 1197627 lying around | 21:30 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1197627 in neutron "DHCP agent race condition on subnet and network delete" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197627 | 21:30 |
| armax | but it hasn't been targeted | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | update on bug1211915? | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | armax: I'll tag it as havana-rc-potential | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | and would like folks to review it | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | bug 1211915 | 21:32 |
| armax | I think the severity can be lowered | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211915 | 21:32 |
| armax | to medium | 21:32 |
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| marun | armax: why? It seems like a pretty major problem to me | 21:33 |
| marun | armax: and we have a fix in process | 21:33 |
| armax | it is | 21:33 |
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| salv-orlando | armax: which bug are you talking about? | 21:33 |
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| armax | salv-orlando: bug 1197627 | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1197627 in neutron "DHCP agent race condition on subnet and network delete" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197627 | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. logstash is showing that bug 1211915 has gone away | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJcIkNvbm5lY3Rpb24gdG8gbmV1dHJvbiBmYWlsZWQ6IE1heGltdW0gYXR0ZW1wdHMgcmVhY2hlZFwiIiwiZmllbGRzIjpbXSwib2Zmc2V0IjowLCJ0aW1lZnJhbWUiOiI2MDQ4MDAiLCJncmFwaG1vZGUiOiJjb3VudCIsInRpbWUiOnsidXNlcl9pbnRlcnZhbCI6MH0sInN0YW1wIjoxMzgxMTgxNjAyNjcxfQ== | 21:34 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1211915 in neutron "Connection to neutron failed: Maximum attempts reached" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211915 | 21:34 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: I have never believed in the "bug has gone away" fairytale ;) | 21:34 |
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| marun | markmcclain: Yeah, I'm with salv-orlando. I think race conditions can be triggered and then not triggered, but they're still there. | 21:35 |
| armax | marun: I managed to reproduce the bug | 21:35 |
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| armax | but the conditions were staged | 21:35 |
| marun | armax: bravo! :) | 21:35 |
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| armax | I wasn't able to reproduced it without injecting a time skew | 21:36 |
| marun | armax: I'm not sure that changes anything, though. Race conditions are like landmines, we're fine until someone steps on it. But it's still there. | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | Marun: so true | 21:36 |
| armax | besides it really depends on how the plugin implements the delete operations | 21:36 |
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| armax | marun: I agree with you …but today no-one has lost a leg besides the reporter | 21:37 |
| marun | armax: Trying to update the agent in a db transaction is simply a bad idea, and easily fixed. I'm not sure what we're arguing about. | 21:37 |
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| beagles | 063911 | 21:37 |
| beagles | argh | 21:38 |
| beagles | sorry | 21:38 |
| marun | armax: wait, are we talking about the same bug? Maybe I'm arguing for nothing :( | 21:38 |
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| armax | marun: maybe | 21:38 |
| marun | 1211915? | 21:38 |
| armax | nope | 21:38 |
| armax | 1197627 | 21:38 |
| marun | apologies for wasting your time | 21:38 |
| armax | no need | 21:38 |
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| markmcclain | Re 1211915: we made changes on the 3rd to make the api less likely to deadlock | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | that's why I think it has not popped up recently | 21:39 |
| markmcclain | my inclination is to wait a few more days on 1211915 and we don't see it, close it | 21:39 |
| marun | armax: I'll help review the patches for 1197627 in any case. | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | at the summit we discuss a the general problem of agents within transaction | 21:40 |
| marun | markmcclain: But doesn't Jakub's patch make sense regardless? | 21:40 |
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| armax | marun: tnx | 21:40 |
| marun | markmcclain: at least the changes to extraroute_db? | 21:40 |
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| markmcclain | maybe.. let's get the other patches in | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | and then run it through the gate again… I'm a bit concerned we had to recheck a change that fixes a deadlock | 21:42 |
| marun | markmcclain: ok | 21:42 |
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| markmcclain | from a code perspective I think it is an upgrade over the current | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | getting back to bug 1197627 | 21:44 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1197627 in neutron "DHCP agent race condition on subnet and network delete" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197627 | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | I know marun said he'd review | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | looks like arosen2 is the other reviewer | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | so we've got 2 cores on it | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs? | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | I want to thank the folks who've put in a lot of hours working on fixes for these tricky bugs | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | #topic API docs | 21:46 |
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| markmcclain | salv-orlando: hi | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | hi | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | in a nutshell, not a lot of progress from last week. | 21:46 |
| salv-orlando | I have been busy chasing these bugs and I've let the API fall back | 21:46 |
| dkehn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/49224/ | 21:46 |
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| salv-orlando | will resume work from tomorrow | 21:47 |
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| salv-orlando | dkehn: thanks for raising that | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: no problem we were in good shape last week and fixing the bugs is a higher team priority | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | thankfully, not everybody is a slacker like me :) | 21:47 |
| markmcclain | let's move on admin docs | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | #topic docs | 21:48 |
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| markmcclain | emagana: hi | 21:48 |
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| emagana | markmcclain: Hi there, It will be a brief update | 21:48 |
| emagana | mostly working on ML2 docs | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | cool | 21:49 |
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| emagana | cloud admin guide, glossary* and deprecate message are merged | 21:49 |
| markmcclain | great | 21:49 |
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| emagana | we have owners for installation and configuration guide, so it should be fine | 21:49 |
| emagana | we are still missing owner for metering agent, if we dont have volunteers, I will take it | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | ok | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | thanks for keeping watch over the docs | 21:50 |
| emagana | no more from my side, I have updated the wiki properly | 21:50 |
| markmcclain | perfect.. thanks for updating | 21:50 |
| emagana | markmcclain: n.p. | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Horizon | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | amotoki: has picked up this bug: https://review.openstack.org/49993 | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | I'll review | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | but we'll need 1 more core to look at it | 21:51 |
| armax | I'll look at it | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | armax: thanks | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Summit | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | Reminder to get your summit sessions in: http://summit.openstack.org/ | 21:52 |
| emagana | markmcclain: when is the deadline? | 21:52 |
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| markmcclain | I'd like to have them in by end of day the 17th | 21:53 |
| emagana | markmcclain: thanks | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | remember the sooner they're filed it gives us more time to provide feedback | 21:54 |
| geoffarnold | Including merged session proposals, right? | 21:54 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:54 |
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| markmcclain | Any summit related questions? | 21:55 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:56 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-October/016025.html | 21:56 |
| marun | I'd like to suggest a change in review policy | 21:56 |
| marun | Any change that requires feedback by the submitter should require a -1 or -2 on the part of the reviewer | 21:56 |
| salv-orlando | congratulations markmcclain for your success in the PTL elections! | 21:56 |
| emagana | Congratulations markmcclain | 21:57 |
| nati_ueno | congrat! | 21:57 |
| ivar-lazzaro | grats! | 21:57 |
| marun | congratulations! | 21:57 |
| roaet | grats. | 21:57 |
| enikanorov | congratulations! | 21:57 |
| samuelbercovici | congratulations! | 21:57 |
| markmcclain | Well our community works really hard and I'm excited for Icehouse cycle | 21:57 |
| emagana | marun: Is it not the case right now? | 21:58 |
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| marun | emagana: I have experienced being reviewed in comments but with no score. | 21:58 |
| markmcclain | marun: I'm assuming you're referring to the 0 score with comments? | 21:58 |
| marun | markmcclain: correct | 21:58 |
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| markmcclain | I know I'm guilty of leaving comments and scoring | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | I often leave no score on purpose | 21:59 |
| marun | markmcclain: if feedback requires action of any kind, I think a minus score is appropriate to ensure that other reviewers give time for the feedback loop to complete | 21:59 |
| marun | salv-orlando: why? | 21:59 |
| marun | salv-orlando: the minus scores are to ensure that action is taken. | 21:59 |
| marun | salv-orlando: i'm not sure of the value of not being explicit about that | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | because I had non fundamental questions/comments and I did not want to put other reviewers off that patch | 22:00 |
| rkukura | onr problem is that a single -1 often discourages anyone else from looking at the patch | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | you know, often when one sees -1 on a patch just skips it | 22:00 |
| marun | salv-orlando: i think we should change the view that a minus score doesn't require other reviewer attention, though | 22:00 |
| marun | salv-orlando: that's an education thing | 22:00 |
| marun | salv-orlando, rkukura: let's solve the problem rather than the symptom | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | anyway I'm happy to change my behavioyr | 22:01 |
| markmcclain | I'll start leaving scores too | 22:01 |
| rkukura | marun: I'm not opposed to change either | 22:01 |
| emagana | marun: Is this the behavior in the rest of the openstack projects? | 22:01 |
| marun | emagana: I'm pretty sure, but I can check. | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | emagana: each project has their own slight differences | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | some always score and others might comment w/o scoring | 22:02 |
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| markmcclain | the size of the teams is often on factor too | 22:02 |
| emagana | we should "try" to be aligned with the rest of the projects, it makes easier the educational part :-) | 22:02 |
| marun | In any case, I'll send an email to the list in any case reiterating the call for minus scores and for people to check reviews for sufficient reviewer coverage rather than ignoring -1s | 22:02 |
| salv-orlando | yup pretty much in every other project you get a -1 for any kind of question | 22:02 |
| emagana | salv-orlando: yeap, I noticed that in nova! | 22:03 |
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| shivh | document it on neutron wiki, if it works great other projects may adopt | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | for now let's be aware and remember to leave a score if the question is a blocker | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | we're out of time for today | 22:05 |
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| marun | sivh: ok | 22:06 |
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| shivh | congtrats Mark for PTL, bye all. | 22:07 |
| emagana | adeu | 22:07 |
| dkehn | markmcclain, congrats | 22:07 |
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| jlibosva | congratulations | 22:08 |
| markmcclain | this got lost in the scoring discussion… the reason I mentioned the PTL results is to say thanks to everyone because the best part of being PTL is working with our great community | 22:08 |
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| markmcclain | the diligent work folks have put in the bugs this week is a prime example of how well our community works and shares information | 22:09 |
| markmcclain | Thanks for stopping in and have a great week | 22:09 |
| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 7 22:09:31 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:09 |
| armax | bye | 22:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-07-21.02.html | 22:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-07-21.02.txt | 22:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-10-07-21.02.log.html | 22:09 |
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| salv-orlando | adieu | 22:09 |
| marun | ciao | 22:10 |
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| nati_ueno | OK let's get started neutron vpn subteam meeting | 22:10 |
| nati_ueno | #startmeeting Networking VPNaaS | 22:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 7 22:10:42 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nati_ueno. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking VPNaaS)" | 22:10 | |
| Swami | hi all | 22:10 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_vpnaas' | 22:10 |
| pcm__ | hi | 22:10 |
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| nati_ueno | Swami: pcm__: hi! | 22:11 |
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| nati_ueno | #topic Summit session | 22:11 |
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| nati_ueno | I have created a ehterpad page https://etherpad.openstack.org/NeutronVPNaaSIceHouse | 22:11 |
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| nati_ueno | In previous neutron weekly meeting, we agreed not to use "lecture" style discussion | 22:12 |
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| Swami | Yes opening the page | 22:12 |
| nati_ueno | so I would like to use this etherpad on the summit | 22:12 |
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| nati_ueno | Also, I would like to start discussion on the etherpad about milestone of VPN on Icehouse | 22:12 |
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| Swami | Yes that would work out | 22:13 |
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| nati_ueno | Swami: Thanks | 22:13 |
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| nati_ueno | Ok | 22:14 |
| nati_ueno | #topic Protocol Support | 22:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Protocol Support (Meeting topic: Networking VPNaaS)" | 22:14 | |
| nati_ueno | It looks like SSL-VPN, MPLS/BGP are proposed with bp | 22:15 |
| Swami | Yes | 22:15 |
| nati_ueno | "IPSec Certificate authentication support" <-- who's added this one? | 22:15 |
| Swami | I added it Nachi to the list | 22:15 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: Thanks. could you link the bp? | 22:15 |
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| Swami | Just to make sure that we don't miss anything left out | 22:16 |
| nati_ueno | Thansk | 22:16 |
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| nati_ueno | IPSec + I2TP, GRE are candidates, but it looks like it lacks bps | 22:17 |
| Swami | I don't have the detailed write up for the IPsec certificate authentication support, but since the SSL VPN already handles the certificate table, we can re-use the same for discussions | 22:17 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: yes. we can use same tables | 22:18 |
| Swami | Nachi: Thanks | 22:18 |
| enikanorov | folks, btw, where are you storing certs for the service? | 22:18 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: I think keystone is applicable | 22:18 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: it has certificate api | 22:18 |
| enikanorov | is it planned or current solution? | 22:19 |
| Swami | Nachi: There was also another blueprint targeted for storing the SSL certs for Loadbalancer sSL offload | 22:19 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: I think it has.. but i'm not confident. I should investigate | 22:19 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: Thanks. could you add it on the etherpad | 22:19 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno: I see, thanks. I'm asking because there are talks about adding ssl to lbaas, which will also need certs management | 22:19 |
| Swami | Sure | 22:19 |
| nati_ueno | certificate resource would be not limited on vpnaas | 22:20 |
| nati_ueno | so, let's write some proposal at first, then discussion on the mailing list before the summit | 22:20 |
| enikanorov | sounds good | 22:20 |
| nati_ueno | Is there anyone to take this resource design? | 22:21 |
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| nati_ueno | OK let's find the people later | 22:22 |
| enikanorov | :) | 22:22 |
| nati_ueno | Do you have any other items for Protocol Support? | 22:23 |
| Swami | I don't think there is anything more, the etherpad list covers all | 22:23 |
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| nati_ueno | ok. | 22:23 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: so you will raise hand for ssl-vpn? | 22:23 |
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| Swami | Yes I would raise hand for both ssl-vpn and mpls/bgp, both are required, but I thought we can do baby steps | 22:24 |
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| nati_ueno | Swami: Ok sure. i'm still working on mpls stuff. so let's discuss detailed API in next meeting | 22:25 |
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| Swami | nachi: appreciate it | 22:25 |
| pcm__ | I think Ian Wells has a L2VPN session submitted. | 22:25 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: yes. he wrote some note on the etherpad | 22:26 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: is he around? | 22:26 |
| pcm__ | I mentioned the session, but don't think he's on IRC | 22:26 |
| pcm__ | I'll ping him | 22:26 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: Thanks | 22:26 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: he says ", I'm not bringing an implementation along", so may be we can separate session | 22:27 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: his topic looks like more general terms | 22:27 |
| pcm__ | gotcha | 22:27 |
| nati_ueno | #topic Service | 22:27 |
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| nati_ueno | I think there is there workitems | 22:27 |
| nati_ueno | (1) Service Type Framework (2) Service Insertion (3) Service agent | 22:28 |
| nati_ueno | (1) has a patch, and i expect it will be merged in early I | 22:28 |
| nati_ueno | (2) and (3) is under the discussion | 22:28 |
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| enikanorov | nati_ueno: are you aware of service chaining proposal? | 22:29 |
| enikanorov | or discussion? | 22:29 |
| ijw | o/ | 22:29 |
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| Swami | Nachi: Do you also need to consider the service chaining or will service insertion be part of the service chaining | 22:29 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: yes | 22:29 |
| nati_ueno | I should add it on the list :P | 22:29 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno: it also has an idea of introducing new entity | 22:30 |
| enikanorov | "service instance" | 22:30 |
| enikanorov | which is used for a few things | 22:30 |
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| ijw | enikanorov: is that Sumit's proposal, or is this another one? | 22:30 |
| SumitNaiksatam | enikanorov: am in the process of revising the proposal from the last summit on service insertion/chaining | 22:30 |
| enikanorov | bind resource to a backend, bind resource to a provider, etc | 22:30 |
| enikanorov | yeah, basically it is his proposal | 22:30 |
| enikanorov | SumitNaiksatam: hi :) | 22:31 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi :-) | 22:31 |
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| nati_ueno | so may be we should discuss service related topic in the service session if we have | 22:31 |
| pcm__ | enikanorov: any link to the proposal? | 22:31 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: so you are proposing a session too? | 22:31 |
| enikanorov | pcm__: not yet | 22:31 |
| ijw | Sumit's got one on service chaining already | 22:31 |
| ijw | (independent of VPNs) | 22:32 |
| * pcm__ just trying to wrap my head around all this | 22:32 | |
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| SumitNaiksatam | ijw: that's right | 22:32 |
| ijw | I need a word with people here about service chaining, too - but in general it's an independent topic to VPNs and I would set it aside for now | 22:32 |
| nati_ueno | ok | 22:32 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: How about have a irc meeting about service related stuff? | 22:33 |
| pcm__ | nati_ueno: +1 | 22:33 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: sure | 22:33 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: Thanks! | 22:34 |
| nati_ueno | #topic misc | 22:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "misc (Meeting topic: Networking VPNaaS)" | 22:34 | |
| Swami | nachi: please add me in those meeting related to service chaining discussion | 22:34 |
| nati_ueno | I would like to add (1) Multiple local subnet support (2) Routing configration support on VPNService | 22:34 |
| nati_ueno | Swami: sure. I believe Sumit will send invitation on the openstack-dev | 22:34 |
| nati_ueno | do you have any other related bps? | 22:35 |
| Swami | nachi: thanks | 22:35 |
| nati_ueno | ok it looks nothing | 22:35 |
| ijw | nati_ueno: whatever you're proposing for VPNs ought to apply exactly the same as any provider network, shouldn't it? | 22:35 |
| ijw | s/as/to/ | 22:36 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: Ah, I didn't have a thought about that. but may be true | 22:36 |
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| nati_ueno | ijw: (1) is for vpn service resources. | 22:36 |
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| nati_ueno | ijw: but (2) is may be related | 22:36 |
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| ijw | Yeah, I was thinking more in terms of 'if there's an API for this already can we re-use it' but I guess that for L3VPNs it's done differently to networks | 22:37 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: no vpnservice is not only for l3. we will remove router_id. | 22:38 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: router_id will be deal with service insertion stuff | 22:38 |
| nati_ueno | however we should discuss this with a concrete API proposal. | 22:38 |
| nati_ueno | so let's discuss the detail in the next meeting. I'll write some proposal | 22:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | nati_ueno: this is a good point, glad you brought it up | 22:39 |
| ijw | I don't think you can just remove router_id and make a VPN l2 | 22:39 |
| ijw | (if that's what you're saying) | 22:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | ijw: removing router id is probably not enough | 22:39 |
| SumitNaiksatam | however, router id probably does not belong the way it is modeled now | 22:39 |
| nati_ueno | SumitNaiksatam: yes | 22:40 |
| SumitNaiksatam | do you agree? | 22:40 |
| ijw | k | 22:40 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: may be, you are right. let's discuss on the proposal in next meeting | 22:40 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: are you going to propose l2vpn in the icehouse? | 22:40 |
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| ijw | I've got the proposal in, yes. I might present an API for the basic concept but I didn't want to get into specific VPN types so much as the differences between L2 and L3 and how you would want to attach them. | 22:42 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: so do you have some impl also in icehouse | 22:43 |
| ijw | I was hoping to have a general discussion and hear opinions rather than say 'we should do it exactly like this', if that's all right with people. I don't have an API implementation right now, no. | 22:43 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: yeah, one issue is no one is going to add impl for l2vpn in icehouse, IFIK | 22:44 |
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| nati_ueno | ijw: if we have no plan to impl it, it isn't makes sence to add API for that in this release | 22:44 |
| ijw | We would like to implement it, I think | 22:44 |
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| nati_ueno | ijw: We == your team? | 22:45 |
| ijw | Probably not my specific team, just someone in the wider company - but I'd like to take details and recommendations back to them rather than have them come up with an extension in the absence of any feedback. | 22:45 |
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| nati_ueno | ijw: Ok let's ask is there anyone to take l2vpn impl in icehouse in mailing list | 22:46 |
| ijw | I can probably persuade Kyle to mind it | 22:46 |
| nati_ueno | ijw: cool | 22:46 |
| nati_ueno | ok next topic | 22:47 |
| nati_ueno | #topic Vendor driver support | 22:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Vendor driver support (Meeting topic: Networking VPNaaS)" | 22:47 | |
| nati_ueno | I find there is NSX bp for vpnaas | 22:47 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: IMO, you will going to add cisco support also | 22:47 |
| pcm__ | yes, will be... in early investigations right now. Will need to do a BP | 22:47 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: Thanks. please link you bp when you write it | 22:48 |
| pcm__ | will do. | 22:48 |
| nati_ueno | any other vender driver proposals on this? | 22:48 |
| nati_ueno | OK let's keep asking in the mailing list | 22:49 |
| nati_ueno | #topic open discussion | 22:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Networking VPNaaS)" | 22:49 | |
| pcm__ | I was curious on how we handle vendor diff in API | 22:49 |
| nati_ueno | do you have some discussion items? | 22:49 |
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| pcm__ | e.g. if a vendor supports diff attribute values. | 22:49 |
| Swami | Normally vendor diff come in through their plugin | 22:49 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: if the attriubutes differents, we can add vendor-specific extensions | 22:50 |
| pcm__ | Guess I'm wondering how it is reflect in API | 22:50 |
| pcm__ | For example, say you support more authentication methods. How does the API reflect that? | 22:51 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: That's sounds not vendor-specific | 22:51 |
| nati_ueno | pcm__: we should extend our vpn API for the more authentication methods | 22:52 |
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| pcm__ | Just an example. Could go the other way, like not supporting some of the attribute values. | 22:52 |
| nati_ueno | The new attribute is really vendor specific, we can write extension for it | 22:53 |
| nati_ueno | we can extend vpnservice resource | 22:53 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm__: ok let's keep discussion on this | 22:54 |
| nati_ueno | #topic next meeting time | 22:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "next meeting time (Meeting topic: Networking VPNaaS)" | 22:54 | |
| nati_ueno | is that OK for you with same time. After the Next neutron core meeting | 22:55 |
| enikanorov | it's a pity it's too late | 22:55 |
| Swami | This timeslot works for me. | 22:55 |
| enikanorov | i'm not a regular visitor at this time | 22:55 |
| enikanorov | but a feel lbaas and vpn has come common points to discuss | 22:55 |
| pcm__ | normally OK. Though I'm not avail. next two Mon. | 22:55 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: Ah ok. so let's schedule another time. | 22:56 |
| enikanorov | nati_ueno: nope, i don't think my time zone is suitable for you guys | 22:56 |
| nati_ueno | enikanorov: pcm__: could you add some candidates on the etherpad | 22:56 |
| pcm__ | ok | 22:56 |
| enikanorov | so I'd prefer to participate in ML threads if you initiate some | 22:56 |
| nati_ueno | OK I'll send summary for the mailing list | 22:56 |
| pcm__ | Time is fine for me, just conflicts the next two weeks. | 22:56 |
| Swami | I am ok with any time slot, other than early morning PDT | 22:56 |
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| nati_ueno | enikanorov: yes. let's keep discussion on the mailing list | 22:57 |
| nati_ueno | OK Thanks guys!! | 22:57 |
| nati_ueno | #endmeeting | 22:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 7 22:57:25 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpnaas/2013/networking_vpnaas.2013-10-07-22.10.html | 22:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpnaas/2013/networking_vpnaas.2013-10-07-22.10.txt | 22:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_vpnaas/2013/networking_vpnaas.2013-10-07-22.10.log.html | 22:57 |
| enikanorov | thanks, bye | 22:57 |
| Swami | nachi: Thanks for organizing the meeting | 22:57 |
| pcm__ | thanks. | 22:57 |
| Swami | bye | 22:57 |
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