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| mestery | hi | 14:00 |
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| dandrushko | hi! | 14:00 |
| mestery | #startmeeting networking_ml2 | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 7 14:00:34 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mestery. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_ml2)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_ml2' | 14:00 |
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| mestery | rkukura, apech, rcurran, Sukhdev, asomya, matrohon: here? | 14:00 |
| rkukura | hi | 14:00 |
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| rcurran | hi | 14:01 |
| mestery | I think today will be a short meeting | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ML2 Agenda | 14:01 |
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| mestery | The ML2 wiki page is coming together now. | 14:01 |
| mestery | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/ML2 ML2 Wiki Page | 14:01 |
| apech | hi | 14:02 |
| safchain | hi | 14:02 |
| feleouet | hi | 14:02 |
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| mestery | Keep adding content to the ML2 wiki page. | 14:02 |
| dandrushko | is it a right place where i can report about issue with ML2 + devstack setup? | 14:02 |
| mestery | We'll want to start documentation as well soon. rkukura and I will coordinate that soon. | 14:02 |
| mestery | dandrushko: Yes, it's on the agenda, we'll get to it soon. | 14:03 |
| apech | I added some more details to the ML2 wiki on mechanism drivers. appreciate any feedback | 14:03 |
| dandrushko | thank you! waiting for this | 14:03 |
| mestery | apech: Thank you! | 14:03 |
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| mestery | #topic Discussion Items | 14:03 |
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| mestery | The first item is something asomya brought to my attention | 14:03 |
| mestery | DB migrations in the context of ML2. | 14:03 |
| mestery | asomya: here? | 14:03 |
| asomya | mestery: yup | 14:04 |
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| mestery | asomya: Can you summarize the issue? | 14:04 |
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| asomya | So is the general idea here to let each mechanism driver manage it's own models but still reuse a common neutron database? | 14:05 |
| rkukura | yes, as long as we can make that work | 14:05 |
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| asomya | how will we implement alembic migration scripts for ML2 when any number fo drivers can work simultaneously? we'll need migrations scripts per friver? | 14:06 |
| asomya | *driver | 14:06 |
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| asomya | Also will the neutron-db-manage script be able to generate migrations for ML2 drivers? | 14:07 |
| rkukura | So far, I think we've been generating migration scripts with all drivers loaded | 14:08 |
| mestery | So will we just assume that is the default going forward then for migrations? | 14:08 |
| asomya | rkukura: So we get tables for all drivers every time? | 14:09 |
| rkukura | I think that is the case so far - is it worth trying to optimize this? | 14:09 |
| asomya | as longs as the table names don't overlap, i think that's acceptable for now | 14:10 |
| mestery | Anything else on DB migrations? | 14:10 |
| rkukura | if someone wants to optimize the migration scripts, that would be great, but doesn't seem super high priority | 14:11 |
| mestery | rkukura: An Icehouse item for sure at this point. :) | 14:11 |
| rkukura | we'd need to address adding/removing drivers within an existing ml2 deployment, which might be tricky | 14:12 |
| mestery | Moving on to the next agenda item: devstack with ML2 MechanismDrivers. | 14:13 |
| mestery | I wrote something up for this., | 14:13 |
| mestery | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vvfey4SCFA5Ih9e6VUdjnRAVj6YIusfXlbPT8yxVOvY/edit?usp=sharing ML2 MechanismDrivers in devstack | 14:13 |
| mestery | Would appreciate reviews. | 14:13 |
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| mestery | I think it will let arbitrary MDs work with devstack with per-MD config added to the ml2 config file in a nice, easy way. | 14:14 |
| mestery | I plan to implement this today and push out an initial review, as I know people are to the stage where this would be useful for their MDs. | 14:14 |
| apech | mestery: sounds great, look forward to it | 14:15 |
| asomya | mestery: could you give comment permissions in that page? | 14:15 |
| mestery | apech: Thanks! Let me know if you see something which doesn't look good, otherwise I'll hopefully get a review pushed out later today for people to test with. | 14:15 |
| rkukura | some of this is already addressed I think | 14:15 |
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| mestery | asomya: Yes. | 14:15 |
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| mestery | rkukura: which part? | 14:15 |
| rkukura | I'll review in detail, looks like Q_AGENT needs some work | 14:16 |
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| rkukura | ml2-portbinding will also be adding mechanism drivers for the agents | 14:16 |
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| mestery | rkukura: So we may have to rework devstack a bit with that as well. I'm happy to work with you on that. | 14:16 |
| rkukura | ok | 14:17 |
| mestery | As long as we're talking devstack, I'd like to also highlight this bug: | 14:17 |
| mestery | #link https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1208557 ML2 MechanismDriver devstack bug | 14:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1208557 in devstack "The ML2 devstack integration doesn't set mechanism_drivers correctly" [Undecided,In progress] | 14:18 |
| mestery | I have a fix for this out already | 14:18 |
| mestery | Here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40260/ | 14:18 |
| mestery | It was an oversight on my part when I did the recent ML2 devstack changes. | 14:18 |
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| mestery | dandrushko: Maybe this is what you're hitting? | 14:18 |
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| dandrushko | mestery: reading this | 14:20 |
| mestery | dandrushko: If not, please share what's happening with devstack and ML2. | 14:20 |
| dandrushko | my issue rises during upgrade script SQL | 14:20 |
| dandrushko | particularly during 2032abe8edac -> 52 c5e4a18807, LBaaS Pool scheduler | 14:21 |
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| dandrushko | sql statement refers to table "agents" which wasn't created during previous steps | 14:21 |
| dandrushko | more accurately foreign key refers to this table | 14:22 |
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| dandrushko | 511471cc46b_agent_ext_model_supp.py - here this table should be created | 14:23 |
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| dandrushko | but in upgrade function there is string | 14:24 |
| dandrushko | if not migration.should_run(active_plugin, migration_for_plugins): return | 14:24 |
| rkukura | looks like that file list the plugins, but not ml2 | 14:24 |
| dandrushko | so table is not created here. | 14:24 |
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| mestery | rkukura: So is the correct fix to modify the migration script here? Or that one shoudl just list * to cover all the plugins? | 14:26 |
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| mestery | Actually, that migration leaves a few other plugins out as well I notice. | 14:27 |
| rkukura | Are services like LBaaS now a separate plugin? If so, I'm not sure why they should depend on the core plugin | 14:27 |
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| mestery | rkukura: I don't know the answer to that now. | 14:29 |
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| mestery | But this issue seems like something we should bringup on the mailing list to get other eyes on it. | 14:29 |
| mestery | dandrushko: Can you send an email to openstack-dev on this please? | 14:29 |
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| rkukura | agreed | 14:29 |
| dandrushko | sure! | 14:29 |
| mestery | thanks! | 14:30 |
| mestery | Lets move on now. | 14:30 |
| dandrushko | thank you! | 14:30 |
| mestery | #topic Blueprint Updates | 14:30 |
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| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/ml2-portbinding ML2 Port Binding | 14:30 |
| rkukura | slow start, but making progress | 14:30 |
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| rkukura | I'll try to get some code in review, possibly WIP, by the weekend | 14:31 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Great, thanks! We'll all jump on the review as well. | 14:31 |
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| mestery | rkukura: So as part of htis work, are you moving LB and OVS to MechanismDrivers? | 14:31 |
| rkukura | I'll be adding drivers for them, but not sure if I'll move the RPC stuff into the drivers (yet) | 14:32 |
| mestery | rkukura: OK. | 14:32 |
| rkukura | drivers will mainly deal with picking segment and vif_type | 14:32 |
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| mestery | OK, thanks for the updates rkukura. Any questions for port-binding? | 14:33 |
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| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-multi-segment-api ML2 Multi-Segment API | 14:33 |
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| mestery | rkukura: This one is assigned to you as well now I see. :) | 14:34 |
| rkukura | I noticed that, but didn't do it | 14:34 |
| rkukura | Are you planning to work on it, or was someone else? | 14:34 |
| mestery | I think markmcclain did that recently. Did you need someone else to take this one on given port binding? | 14:34 |
| mestery | I think I was going to take a crack at it. | 14:34 |
| mestery | Can you change it to me for now? | 14:35 |
| rkukura | sure | 14:35 |
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| mestery | I'll see if I can get a start on it this week yet. | 14:36 |
| rkukura | great! | 14:36 |
| mestery | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-typedriver-extra-port-info ML2 TypeDriver extra port info | 14:36 |
| mestery | ZangMingJie: here? | 14:36 |
| ZangMingJie | ye | 14:36 |
| mestery | cool | 14:36 |
| mestery | I see you pushed out a new review | 14:36 |
| mestery | I'll review this one today yet. | 14:37 |
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| mestery | I think we agreed to move forward with this BP, so I'll approve it as well. | 14:37 |
| ZangMingJie | I'll push another workable patch later this day | 14:37 |
| mestery | ZangMingJie: Thanks! | 14:37 |
| rkukura | I recall we wanted to look at how this relates to the multi-segment-api | 14:37 |
| ZangMingJie | I have removed segment_id and physical_network from network table | 14:38 |
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| rkukura | where are they now? | 14:39 |
| ZangMingJie | and moved them to type driver store instead as we disscussed last week | 14:39 |
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| ZangMingJie | now the network table contains id segment_uuid and type | 14:40 |
| rkukura | the driver changes aren't in the WIP patch yet, right? Will they be in todays? | 14:41 |
| ZangMingJie | yes | 14:41 |
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| rkukura | So drivers can store whatever fields they need? | 14:41 |
| ZangMingJie | yes, and pass them to agents | 14:42 |
| rkukura | And the multi-segment-api can just expose those as dicts for each segment? | 14:42 |
| ZangMingJie | I think so | 14:42 |
| rkukura | sounds good in theory! | 14:42 |
| mestery | OK, lets move on to the next items on the agenda. | 14:43 |
| mestery | #topic Open ML2 Bugs / BPs | 14:44 |
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| mestery | We already discussed this devstack bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40260/ | 14:44 |
| mestery | Hope to get it approved today and merged. | 14:44 |
| mestery | Is matrohon here? | 14:44 |
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| feleouet | no, he's ooo for a couple of weeks | 14:45 |
| mestery | feleouet: OK, thanks! | 14:45 |
| mestery | Any updates on either L2 Population (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/l2-population) or GRE/VXLAN tunnels with the same ID (https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1196963) | 14:45 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1196963 in neutron "Update the OVS agent code to program tunnels using ports instead of tunnel IDs" [Wishlist,In progress] | 14:45 |
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| safchain | About l2 population, I'll try to submit a first WIP version by the end of the week | 14:46 |
| mestery | safchain: OK, great! | 14:46 |
| mestery | #topic Ported MechanismDriver Updates | 14:47 |
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| mestery | Sukhdev: Arista update? | 14:47 |
| feleouet | and on my side, I may follow on matrohon efforts on bug/1196963 | 14:47 |
| apech | we should be posting our code for review this week | 14:47 |
| mestery | feleouet: thanks | 14:47 |
| mestery | apech: Cool! | 14:47 |
| apech | it's all working, just doing some internal review | 14:47 |
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| mestery | rcurran: Cisco update? | 14:48 |
| mestery | Cisco Nexus update ... :) | 14:48 |
| rcurran | trying to get devstack running w/ our nexus switch | 14:48 |
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| rcurran | devstack issues, not ml2 related | 14:49 |
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| mestery | rcurran: OK, if you're still hitting issues, ping me after the meeting, me and/or asomya can get you running there. | 14:49 |
| rcurran | ported code over to new file format ... btw | 14:49 |
| HenryG | rcurran: or me | 14:49 |
| rcurran | drivers dir | 14:49 |
| mestery | HenryG: Of course. :) | 14:49 |
| mestery | rcurran: OK, cool! | 14:49 |
| mestery | asomya: OpenDaylight MD update? | 14:50 |
| asomya | mestery: Good progress on ODL, should have it working by the wne dof hte week | 14:51 |
| asomya | *by the end of the week :) | 14:51 |
| mestery | asomya: Thanks! | 14:51 |
| mestery | I don't see Luke Gorrie here, but his Tail-F NCS review is being updated regularly: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37647/ | 14:51 |
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| mestery | #topic Open Discussion | 14:52 |
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| mestery | Anything else ML2 related this week from anyone? | 14:52 |
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| rcurran | vendor_config topic? | 14:52 |
| mestery | Ah, thanks rcurran. | 14:53 |
| mestery | That was the email I sent to the list right? | 14:53 |
| rcurran | yes | 14:53 |
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| rcurran | so are you thinking that each vendor would have their own *.ini file also? | 14:53 |
| mestery | So it seems like everyone wants MD config to be in separate config files, is that right? | 14:53 |
| mestery | rcurran: I think so, yes. | 14:53 |
| rcurran | fine by me | 14:54 |
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| asomya | +1 | 14:54 |
| apech | sounds good to me | 14:54 |
| rkukura | that gets kind of messy for things like systemd units that launch the server | 14:54 |
| mestery | rkukura: Yes, agreed. But distributions could add the config into a single file themselves if they wanted, right? | 14:54 |
| mestery | I was going to do that for devstack in fact to keep devstack simple. | 14:54 |
| rkukura | they kind of need a fixed set of config file names to pass on the command line | 14:54 |
| rkukura | that might make sense | 14:55 |
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| rkukura | I missed the email thread, but see it now | 14:55 |
| mestery | I'll get my devstack patch out as an example at least. | 14:55 |
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| mestery | rkukura: Cool, respond with your concerns please. | 14:55 |
| mestery | OK, anything else? | 14:56 |
| rkukura | ok | 14:56 |
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| mestery | We've got 2 weeks to get reviews pushed out before the feature freeze. | 14:56 |
| mestery | Lets see what we can get done in that time! | 14:56 |
| mestery | Thanks for everyone's efforts on ML2 so far! Lets keep the momentum going! | 14:56 |
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| mestery | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 7 14:56:58 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-08-07-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-08-07-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_ml2/2013/networking_ml2.2013-08-07-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 7 15:01:32 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | hello, who is around today? | 15:01 |
| BobBall | I am | 15:01 |
| matel | am | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, any agenda items? | 15:02 |
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| euanh | here | 15:02 |
| BobBall | sure - euanh should give an update on xenserver-core and deb and ARM | 15:02 |
| BobBall | I can give an update on xenserver-core and dom0 | 15:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, stuff for the open discussion I guess | 15:03 |
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| BobBall | there's been a lot of activity around XenAPI this week | 15:03 |
| BobBall | very interesting to see | 15:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, list seemed to be hotting up again | 15:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #topic Blueprints | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any updates? | 15:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | just a heads up there are a few XenAPI bits and bobs from Rackspace coming in | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | just debating a few in the ML | 15:04 |
| BobBall | I saw them | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | new blueprints coming in - tis very good | 15:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am defending the ones I like :) | 15:04 |
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| BobBall | successfully too | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ant has a very cool idea with the VNC access to a PXE installer | 15:05 |
| BobBall | what's that? | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-ipxe-iso-boot-support | 15:05 |
| BobBall | oh I see what you mean | 15:05 |
| BobBall | yes | 15:05 |
| BobBall | perhaps a question about that | 15:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically boot up an ISO, then it does PXE boot, but inject the networking into the ISO, so user doesn't need to configure networking in non DHCP | 15:05 |
| BobBall | I'd agree with Russell - why not glance? | 15:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it wouldn't work in glance, glance doesn't control how Xen boots a VM | 15:06 |
| antonym | BobBall: it resides in glance, we're just automating the static ip portion of it | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, thats a good point | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | the ISO lives in glance | 15:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | then when it boots we need to inject the network settings | 15:06 |
| antonym | we have to regererate the iso in order to inject the ips directly in it, only way we could think of to completely bypass dhcp | 15:06 |
| BobBall | I mean why is it nova that is configuring it rather than being able to DL a configured image or something - wasn't that the suggestion? | 15:06 |
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| antonym | if glance handles it, don't we have to pass networking info back to glance? | 15:07 |
| BobBall | true | 15:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its just a mess that way | 15:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | but people haven't seen that yet, hopefully they will soon :) | 15:07 |
| BobBall | I've got it - create one image for every IP that you've got - then just download the right one! ;) | 15:07 |
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| antonym | seemed to be much simpler just to shim it into boot from iso within nova | 15:08 |
| antonym | lol | 15:08 |
| antonym | we'll make an iso per ip :P | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | its quite different to an image builder, it lets you access the installer via VNC | 15:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | lol, that would do it! | 15:08 |
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| antonym | it shifts the logic of image building out of openstack using all the things ipxe has to offer | 15:08 |
| antonym | could even generate ipxe ks.cfgs based on mac address of the instance, but that's stuff we're looking at next | 15:09 |
| BobBall | okay | 15:09 |
| BobBall | sounds great to me | 15:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | sweet, that makes good sense | 15:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so, any more on blueprints | 15:11 |
| matel | If anyone has time to do a review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39496/ | 15:12 |
| matel | Working on xenapi-supported-image-import-export | 15:13 |
| matel | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-supported-image-import-export | 15:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, is that looking like it will make Havanna? | 15:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the blueprint that is | 15:14 |
| matel | Depends on the review speed. | 15:14 |
| matel | And maybe I am doing too many changes. | 15:14 |
| BobBall | yes, we want it in Havana | 15:14 |
| BobBall | we're aiming to have it completed in the next week or two | 15:14 |
| matel | So if you guys think, that these changes/refactors are too big, please let me know. | 15:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, need all code up about now to get it in Havana I expect | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't think we should be doing qemu-img convert during a glance download | 15:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | the main reason is glance is build async workers to do image conversion | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the converted image gets done as part of image upload, so it only needs to be converted once | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | let me find a bp for that... | 15:16 |
| matel | Is that feature will be in havana? | 15:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | nope | 15:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, not in a useful way, I expect | 15:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, it seems to be this: | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/new-upload-workflow | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | so maybe it will make it | 15:18 |
| matel | So I understand, that the same functionality will be covered by this glance feature, but we would like to provide a way to use xenserver without the glance/vhd plugins. | 15:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | what format does it need to be in, to use it without the glance plugin? | 15:19 |
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| matel | Any qemu-img supported format. | 15:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe I don't understand how you are using the supported route? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | why does it need a convert then, you could just upload the correct version to glance right? | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | not version, I mean format | 15:20 |
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| matel | So, basically: create a vdi, attach to domU, pipe in the bytes from glance, create another vdi, convert the first to the second. | 15:20 |
| matel | using qemu img in domU | 15:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, like we do with raw today? | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sort of | 15:21 |
| matel | yes, sort of. | 15:21 |
| matel | But basically that's the idea. | 15:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, if you can get people to upload the correct type to glance, presumably you don't need to do the convert any more? | 15:21 |
| matel | So that leaves us with raw. | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | that could work though? | 15:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | just add raw + ovf packaging, and its not too big | 15:22 |
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| matel | Sounds like an xva. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | yup | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | similar | 15:23 |
| matel | And would you support this idea? | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, seems fine | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the conversion bit I don't ike | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | like^ | 15:23 |
| matel | I see. | 15:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | because that is going to get done in glance | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | and could be done once, and outside nova | 15:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems wrong to do that inline, but maybe I am missing something? | 15:24 |
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| matel | I don't have problems with that, if that gives us value. | 15:25 |
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| matel | And the real issue now is that we don't have a sparse format. | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | but raw that is then compressed, will have most of the zero blocks compressed quite quickly | 15:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | its not too bad | 15:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (probably) | 15:27 |
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| matel | Well. | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am assuming we keep the existing VHD route, just its unsupported. | 15:27 |
| matel | sure, I don't want to change that. | 15:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, that all make sense to me then | 15:28 |
| matel | One q. | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure | 15:28 |
| matel | virtual size - physical size | 15:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 15:28 |
| matel | so I think glance reports only the physical | 15:28 |
| matel | I guess I would need to have some sort of metadata in the beginning of the tar file. | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes, that probably | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | why? | 15:29 |
| matel | Maybe xapi can do this stuff alone, I need to check it with DS | 15:29 |
| matel | I am just thinking about the implementation steps. | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, I see what you mean | 15:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | you need to know the size | 15:29 |
| matel | Yes, to create the vdi | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, turns out you have the size, its in the flavor | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | and if it doesn't fit, you just die | 15:30 |
| matel | that could work - optimization later. | 15:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | there check between glance and the flavor already to check that you don't put it in the wrong size | 15:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | call min_disk_gb, or something similar | 15:31 |
| matel | Yes, that rings a bell. | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not sure it needs optimization, the protection is already there | 15:31 |
| matel | Anyhow, I need to speak about this stuff with bob. | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK | 15:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | afraid I am on holiday from tomorrow till a week on monday | 15:31 |
| matel | Good for you, enjoy! | 15:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | some emails may get answered, but I am in a field for the first bit of the holiday! | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | Ok, that was a useful discussion I think | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | lets move on | 15:32 |
| matel | sure. | 15:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic docs | 15:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | not updates from me on this one, I still need to follow up on that blueprint and bugs | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | no updates^ | 15:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs and QA | 15:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | any updates for gating stuff? | 15:33 |
| BobBall | Only that the xenserver-core stuff is going well and that might be an alternative route to gating | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 15:34 |
| BobBall | I was expecting to do some of the zuul dependencies this week | 15:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 15:34 |
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| BobBall | but I've been too busy on other things | 15:34 |
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| BobBall | such as answering RAX questions ;) | 15:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | cool, I jumped on to Open, fire away | 15:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: hehe, as you should :) | 15:35 |
| BobBall | euanh is jumping back in to give an update on xenserver-core, DEB, packaging and ARM | 15:35 |
| euanh | I'm working on the build system for XenServer Core | 15:36 |
| euanh | RPM building works pretty well | 15:36 |
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| euanh | I'm adapting that to build DEBs because the Xen on ARM work is Debian based | 15:36 |
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| euanh | for our uses the mapping from RPM to DEB is fairly straightforward but there are some fiddly bits | 15:37 |
| euanh | Once I have DEBs I can rebuild them for ARM | 15:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds cool | 15:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | is that getting pushed back into Ubuntu as the new xcp-xapi packages? | 15:38 |
| BobBall | We've already had a POC with openstack running on the RPMs | 15:38 |
| BobBall | xcp-xapi is being replaced eventually | 15:39 |
| BobBall | with xenserver-core | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | awesome, I saw some bugs, so I guessed it should have got somewhere | 15:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | sure, with an upgrade path I hope :-P | 15:39 |
| BobBall | but we want the community to manage the packaging eventually... | 15:39 |
| BobBall | Hope so but no promises! | 15:39 |
| BobBall | xapi-xcp was a fixed point in time | 15:40 |
| BobBall | it's a very strange setup | 15:40 |
| BobBall | but I imagine that a deb based upgrade should probably work | 15:40 |
| BobBall | since XAPI will upgrade the DB etc | 15:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | would be good to see a nice version in the next LTS, but maybe its too late now | 15:41 |
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| BobBall | not quite too late yet | 15:41 |
| BobBall | LTS for xenserver-core is probably doable | 15:42 |
| BobBall | as long as it's multiverse | 15:42 |
| BobBall | getting it in core would need it to be in multiverse for 13.10 which is very very tight | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | well has to drop in 13.10 probably, I presume, they don't like bit changes during the LTS schedue | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, right I see | 15:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | where is xapi-xcp now? | 15:42 |
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| BobBall | multiverse | 15:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, they will probably be OK about that hopefully | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, good to see it get sorted finally | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, its a bit non-openstack I guess | 15:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | anything more openstack? | 15:43 |
| matel | refactoring. | 15:43 |
| matel | Are we planning to do any structuring on the code? | 15:44 |
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| matel | Or it's just good as it is? | 15:44 |
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| BobBall | it's not good as it is | 15:44 |
| BobBall | and yes, we need to do some refactoring | 15:44 |
| matel | So the main question is whether we want to do some official, coordinated refactoring. | 15:45 |
| matel | The q goes to John mainly. | 15:45 |
| BobBall | what do you mean by that? | 15:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, its probably best we co-ordinate, otherwise we will all clash horribly | 15:45 |
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| matel | Yes, the conflicts are my concerns | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would raise bugs for the areas you are worried about, then take those bugs | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe pop up an etherpad with a list of things you are worried about | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | what where you thinking? | 15:46 |
| matel | I was thinking about a "refactor day" or something like this. | 15:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would love to see steps towards the oslo xenapi lib to share with Cinder | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, I would probably want more than a day, but that could work. | 15:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | what things did you want to cover? | 15:47 |
| matel | Look at the change that I sent, that's an ide. | 15:48 |
| matel | idea. | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | which change? | 15:48 |
| matel | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39496/ | 15:48 |
| matel | But that's a common library. | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, that kinda in non-xenapi stuff | 15:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorta | 15:49 |
| matel | yes, but you get the "idea" | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | the issue is, we would reject that change, until there is no follow on code that makes use of it | 15:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think, anyway | 15:49 |
| BobBall | This is where we should have a second changeset depending on the frist :) | 15:50 |
| matel | Given our xva discussion, it can happen. | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should have a second change depending on it | 15:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | matel: I thought we decided on no conversion? | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, I see | 15:51 |
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| matel | it was uploaded Jul 31, 2013 3:42 PM | 15:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | fetch to raw | 15:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | matel: its a low priority blueprint, theses loads of medium and the odd high review to do first | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | bit of priority inversion going on here. | 15:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://status.openstack.org/reviews/ | 15:53 |
| BobBall | I'd like to argue this should be higher priority | 15:53 |
| matel | So, John, are you saying that we can't get this xva or whatever stuff in? | 15:53 |
| BobBall | I think this should be at least a medium | 15:53 |
| BobBall | since it's providing a mechanism for XS under openstack to use supported APIs | 15:53 |
| BobBall | which is crucial for a supported environment | 15:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats russells call, but there are some official definitions somewhere, I can't remember how to phrase that | 15:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a bit late anyway to be given more priority, because we have no hope of reviewing all the current mediums | 15:54 |
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| matel | I think that leaves us with no options. | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a bit unfortunate, but its all too late to offer any better I guess | 15:55 |
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| BobBall | Doesn't mean there aren't other things that are of higher priority than the existing ones :) | 15:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | indeed, but the other have code up already, so its only fair | 15:55 |
| BobBall | We can chat with Russell and explain why it should be higher | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sure, if you feel strongly, ask | 15:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but we need the code up yesterday for it to make much difference, if you see what I mean | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, hopefully it will get in | 15:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is still hope | 15:56 |
| matel | okay, we'll see. | 15:56 |
| BobBall | perhaps we should do as we said last week, consider it a bug | 15:56 |
| BobBall | because what happens if you try and use a cqow2 image with XS? | 15:57 |
| BobBall | probably an error log | 15:57 |
| matel | John is against the conversion. | 15:57 |
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| BobBall | but if it's only process that stops a good change getting in then maybe it's worth thinking about :) | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | its about review bandwidth, there is no more left | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, I am not sure I understand the refactor | 15:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are out of time I guess | 15:58 |
| matel | yes, have a nice holiday for the lucky ones! | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought we agreed no conversion, so we just are importing raw here? | 15:59 |
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| BobBall | indeed | 15:59 |
| BobBall | oh | 15:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | one last question | 15:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | what do we need to change, to make importing raw supported? | 15:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think it currently works OK | 15:59 |
| matel | yes. | 16:00 |
| matel | it works. | 16:00 |
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| matel | It's not sparse | 16:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK | 16:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are out of time now | 16:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| matel | But, as I said, I need to have a chat with Bob, to see what is the next step | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 7 16:01:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-08-07-15.01.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-08-07-15.01.txt | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2013/xenapi.2013-08-07-15.01.log.html | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #start meeting cinder | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 7 16:01:16 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | hey cinder folks | 16:01 |
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| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: DuncanT- | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | hey xyang_ | 16:01 |
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| zhiyan | hello | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| dosaboy | howdi | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | zhiyan: howdy | 16:02 |
| xyang_ | hi jgriffith | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | avishay???? | 16:02 |
| DuncanT- | Hey | 16:02 |
| zhiyan | hey jgriffith | 16:02 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | alright.. let's get stareted | 16:02 |
| zhiyan | and hi DuncanT | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | started even | 16:02 |
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| med_ | dosaboy | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | #topic make all rbd clones cow | 16:02 |
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| jgriffith | dosaboy: ^^ | 16:03 |
| dosaboy | so i'm looking for comments here | 16:03 |
| dosaboy | xiaoi has raised concern about performance issue in ceph | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: my first question when I looked was: | 16:03 |
| dosaboy | if we have too many clones from same snapshot | 16:03 |
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| dosaboy | jgriffith: shoot | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | What if you want to delete something | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | ie isn't this the issue with everything being dependent through the chain? | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | or is that incorrect? | 16:04 |
| dosaboy | ah ok, so we would have to have some logic to clean up the discrete snapshot | 16:04 |
| dosaboy | jgriffith: so, hoping jdurgin can pitch in here but, | 16:04 |
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| dosaboy | afaik the issue is that having too many cow clones can degredate performance of the original volume | 16:05 |
| dosaboy | i am not clear on this though | 16:05 |
| dosaboy | but | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: yeah, that would be a second concern :) | 16:05 |
| dosaboy | that performance concern also applies to the caseof clones from snaposhots | 16:05 |
| dosaboy | which is already supported | 16:05 |
| dosaboy | so | 16:05 |
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| dosaboy | with this bug/feature | 16:05 |
| dosaboy | i am not trying to solve that sort of issue | 16:05 |
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| dosaboy | but merely extend the ability to have all clones as cow | 16:06 |
| dosaboy | the inherent potential problems will be no different to what we already have | 16:06 |
| dosaboy | and imo | 16:06 |
| dosaboy | will be dealt with seperately | 16:06 |
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| dosaboy | thoughts? | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: so I'm no ceph expert :) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: but... | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I've talked with jdurgin about this sort of thing in the past on a different topic IIRC | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: and it seems there was some issue with having the relationship back to the volumes/snaps | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: but I'm really not sure | 16:08 |
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| dosaboy | jgriffith: yeah that is what I have heard too, but | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: the only concerns I would have would be that you can actually somehow have independent volume entities | 16:08 |
| dosaboy | that applies to what we currently allow | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: exactly | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: now I don't even mind if there's some *hidden* special snapshot/volume on the backend | 16:09 |
| dosaboy | if we go with this change/addition, it will clearly need testing | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: the perf issue as you mentioned is a whole different subject | 16:09 |
| dosaboy | just as what we already have i.e. cloen from snapshot will need testing | 16:09 |
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| dosaboy | ah ok | 16:09 |
| dosaboy | yeah 2 seperate issues | 16:09 |
| dosaboy | I don't see it as too much of a problem though to have a discrete snap that is silently managed | 16:10 |
| dosaboy | failry simple logic to do that | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: I don't either, but I think others raised some concerns when I suggested that in the past | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | but regardless... | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | doesn't sound like anybody has any objections here today? | 16:11 |
| dosaboy | ok well i don't wanna hog the stage | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:11 |
| dosaboy | i'll try to get jdurgin's opinion when he;'s about | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | ok... well that was easy enough :) | 16:11 |
| dosaboy | :) | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | #topic API V1 removal | 16:11 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: ^^ | 16:11 |
| DuncanT- | Hey | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | dosaboy: thanks by the way! | 16:12 |
| dosaboy | np | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: we may have solved your concern here (s/we/thingee/) | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: but go for it | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | Ok, so we've been looking at API migration. AFAICT Rackspace are in the same situation as us: They have the V2 API turned on but it isn't in the catalogue | 16:12 |
| DuncanT- | There doesn't seem to be a way currently to advertise it as a none-default opetion in the catalogue | 16:12 |
| dosaboy | np | 16:13 |
| dosaboy | oops :) | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | It is also not the default in devstack | 16:13 |
| hemna | we should set it to the default first | 16:13 |
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| hemna | before we remove v1 IMO | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: hemna yes we're workign on that | 16:13 |
| DuncanT- | This limits the testing exposure for V2, and causes third party apps to tend to be targetted for V1 | 16:13 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: So I feel v2 is ready with the testing that has been around it/documenting it required whitebox testing, etc. However I worked on the client changes last night to get us http://grab.objects.dreamhost.com/08-06-2013-21-20-59.png | 16:14 |
| thingee | I have two cinder endpoints in the catalog with different service_types like nova did | 16:14 |
| DuncanT- | With this in mind, I'd like to put some caution in the wind as regards to agressively killing V1 | 16:14 |
| guitarzan | thingee: cool! | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT- | thingee: Great stuff! | 16:15 |
| avishay | hi all, sorry i'm late | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: so between the additon to the catalog and the type=volumeV2 I think we're good | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | thingee: I'm pretty interested in that patch :) | 16:15 |
| thingee | guitarzan: :) | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: I'm also much more confident that there isn't going to be compat issues anyway :) | 16:15 |
| DuncanT- | We need a migration plan and plenty of time to implement it | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | wait, you named the service type differently rather than a version entry/ | 16:15 |
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| DuncanT- | jgriffith: Just flipping the default in devstack broke tempest tests... so there are at least some issues. I've not looked into the details yet | 16:15 |
| guitarzan | thingee: not that I know which is better... | 16:15 |
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| thingee | DuncanT-, guitarzan: so the reason why i feel confident in v2 is because the code isn't far from v1, because people keep backporting features (when they shouldn't ;) ) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: but if you look at *why* it makes sense | 16:16 |
| bswartz | thingee: lol | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: anyway... not arguing | 16:16 |
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| thingee | DuncanT-, guitarzan, jgriffith: I'll take a look at tempest next once we got this patch up for review | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | thingee: IIRC the failures were the nova/volume/cinder.py issues | 16:17 |
| guitarzan | thingee: ya, I'm not much worried about the v2 code | 16:17 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I intend to look at / be told 'why', I'm just trying to pave the way for a less than aggressive removal date, based on the low testing so far | 16:17 |
| guitarzan | it can be fixed if it needs it | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: sure, fair | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT-: but were we talking about actually removal yet anyway? | 16:17 |
| * guitarzan looks at the topic :) | 16:17 | |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: And of course getting people nervious about it is the best way to see more testing / fix-ups :-) | 16:17 |
| * hemna reads topic | 16:18 | |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: haha | 16:18 |
| thingee | guitarzan, DuncanT-: can we agree to reevaluate v2 being default if tempest is fine? | 16:18 |
| hemna | DuncanT- +1 | 16:18 |
| thingee | v1 is not going anyway in I | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: For devstack? Do it as soon as it works IMO | 16:18 |
| guitarzan | thingee: sure, the default doesn't much matter to me | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: That is the kind of 'not agressive' I like :-) | 16:18 |
| guitarzan | thingee: we just need config options to choose which one | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | thingee: to be clear, we need to make V2 default ASAP as far as Im' concerned | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | thingee: there's no reason not to IMO | 16:18 |
| DuncanT- | thingee: Consider me far less worried :-) | 16:18 |
| thingee | whoa | 16:19 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: +1 | 16:19 |
| guitarzan | thingee: we have cinder_endpoint_template, we just need cinder_api_version maybe | 16:19 |
| thingee | guitarzan: config opt isn't going away for v1 in I. | 16:19 |
| guitarzan | thingee: I meant in nova's code | 16:19 |
| guitarzan | your nova patch just uses the v2 client | 16:19 |
| thingee | alright so let me make sure I understand | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: is there any good reason to have the internal API's conigurable? | 16:20 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: because the internal api is the same as the external one | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: but that's the point, it doesn't have to be | 16:20 |
| thingee | default v2 in devstack, leave nova code to using v1 (which would require having both v1 and v2 enabled). | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: sorry... I'll let you talk I promise ;) | 16:20 |
| guitarzan | thingee: I like that idea just because it makes us solve the ambiguous endpoints issue | 16:21 |
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| guitarzan | :) | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: I agreee with that, but I believe that's being fixed regardless | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: and needs to be | 16:21 |
| guitarzan | jgriffith: if that's fixed, then I don't care which is defaulted really | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: :) | 16:22 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: and what about you? | 16:22 |
| guitarzan | that lets us add v2 to our catalog to make thingee happy | 16:22 |
| guitarzan | and our customers can use whichever they want | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | guitarzan: exactly, that's what I'm thinking | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: leaves the implementation up to the SP | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: err... configuration ? | 16:22 |
| hemna | +1 | 16:22 |
| DuncanT- | Summary from my PoV: With V1 not going away in Icehouse (no new features is fine and indeed sensible) and Thingee on the case for compatibility, I'm quite happy my concerns are addressed. | 16:23 |
| guitarzan | although customers will probably have to look at their code if/when we add another endpoint | 16:23 |
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| DuncanT- | Sounds like that will fix our immediate problems too, so all good | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | and life is good again :) | 16:24 |
| thingee | whew | 16:24 |
| thingee | next topic, quick! | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | #topic open discussion | 16:24 |
| thingee | there are none. everyone go! | 16:24 |
| DuncanT- | That was pleasantly pain free :-) Thanks | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | anybody.... | 16:24 |
| thingee | DuncanT-: I worked late on the patch just for this discussion :) | 16:24 |
| * med_ tries to recall the project review status from ttx's meeting yesterday.... | 16:25 | |
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| DuncanT- | thingee: I had faith you'd fix everything once I made any sort of fuss ;-) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | med_: it was "looks ok, going to have a trafffic jam in review queue" | 16:25 |
| avishay | jgriffith: update - i successfully did a live migration today. still have to write tests and add a way to get status. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | avishay: nice! | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | avishay: what did you migrate from->to | 16:26 |
| hemna | very cool | 16:26 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: both storwize and LVM, via Vish's Nova code | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | avishay: about that, there was a question this AM about migrating across Cinder nodes? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | avishay: nice! | 16:26 |
| kmartin | jgriffith: he went from IBM to 3PAR :) | 16:26 |
| avishay | what does that mean? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | kmartin: haha! | 16:26 |
| dosaboy | avishay: block-migrate? | 16:26 |
| avishay | kmartin: 3par to IBM is the more common use case :P | 16:27 |
| hemna | avishay, do you have a WIP up for us to play with ? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | avishay: sorry... so say you weren't using multi-backend on a single cinder node | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: you actually had cinder node-a, node-b etc | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I believe it shouldn't matter... but | 16:27 |
| avishay | jgriffith: oh, it was actually on a one node devstack, but should work regardless. need more servers to test. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | avishay: :) | 16:27 |
| avishay | dosaboy: block-migrate? | 16:27 |
| avishay | hemna: will put something up as soon as it's sane | 16:27 |
| guitarzan | famous last words! | 16:28 |
| guitarzan | it should work | 16:28 |
| hemna | avishay, sweet, looking forward to it. | 16:28 |
| avishay | guitarzan: :) | 16:28 |
| dosaboy | avishay: what type of migration you talking about? | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, I think it'll work the same untl you actually want to migrate to another cinder setup | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: haha! | 16:28 |
| avishay | dosaboy: moving a volume from its current backend to another | 16:28 |
| dosaboy | ah ok | 16:28 |
| xyang_ | avishay: this is for migrating unattached volume, right? | 16:28 |
| avishay | xyang_: unattached is already merged, attached is coming soon | 16:28 |
| med_ | he said "live" so I assumed attached | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: how are things with the QoS patch? | 16:29 |
| xyang_ | avishay: cool! | 16:29 |
| avishay | and this is the first time cinder is calling nova - we're no longer just a slave :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | med_: xyang_ the unattached code is already in | 16:29 |
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| med_ | ack/nod. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | avishay: that API is going to be EXTREMELY useful BTW | 16:29 |
| xyang_ | jgriffith: ok, will take a look | 16:29 |
| avishay | yea...that QoS patch sitting in the queue is bothering me | 16:29 |
| hemna | looks like it's just waiting for reviews | 16:30 |
| avishay | there's a dependent nova patch for QoS too | 16:30 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/29737/ | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: oops.. didn't notice you updated | 16:30 |
| avishay | i think jgriffith and DuncanT- had concerns, i deferred review to them | 16:30 |
| DuncanT- | Does this mean we've going to want a nova internal endpoint for cinder->nova calls, just like having a specific internal endpoint for nova->cinder calls like attach and reserve is a good idea? | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | winston-1: sorry... I'll look at that again today, would like to make sure others do as well | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | Oh... it's not updated ;( | 16:30 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I'll look at it this morning. | 16:30 |
| hemna | jgriffith, what are you waiting for? I don't see a -1 on it? | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: we need that for a number of things, se ML last night between Russell and I on the instance assisted snaps | 16:31 |
| winston-1 | jgriffith: i'm working on it. since it's totally new patch | 16:31 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: I'm not familiar with the internal endpoint - let's discuss offline? | 16:31 |
| winston-1 | jgriffith: 70% ready | 16:31 |
| DuncanT- | avishay: Sure | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | hemna: no need, winston-1 and I talked through it last week | 16:31 |
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| avishay | DuncanT-: thanks! | 16:31 |
| hemna | ok | 16:31 |
| hemna | can you -1 the review so we know it's in a wait state for changes ? | 16:32 |
| DuncanT- | jgriffith: I'm days behind on the mailing list, will catch up. Glad to see it being discussed | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | avishay: that's the "cinder talking to nova" piece | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: I think we took that as implying that you had an endpoint setup in cinder (ie cinder --> novaclient) | 16:32 |
| DuncanT- | hemna: Done | 16:32 |
| avishay | jgriffith: is this endpoint a piece of code or an actual endpoint (separate port) | 16:32 |
| hemna | ok thanks. :) | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: easiest way to describe it is nova/volume/cinder.py | 16:33 |
| avishay | jgriffith: DuncanT-: I have that written already | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | avishay: but you said we were talking to nova now, so how did you do that? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | avishay: yeah.. that's what I thought :) | 16:33 |
| avishay | jgriffith: cinder/compute/nova.py :) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | avishay: most EXCELLENT! | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | avishay: looking forward to that patch :) | 16:34 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: is that what you meant? | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | Ok... couple of other things real quick and everybody can get back to reviews (hint hint) | 16:35 |
| DuncanT- | avishay: I meant that you probably don't want these cinder->nova APIs enabled on a customer facing endpoint, in teh same way you don't really want cinder reserve API available on a customer facing endpoint | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT- | avishay: Can discuss on channel after if you want | 16:35 |
| avishay | DuncanT-: OK, so that something else. Yes, let's talk after. | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | So the only other thing I wanted to mention | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | we've got some monster reviews in the queue | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | task-flow | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | is a big one | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | I'm pretty comfortable with it and would like to get it turned on ASAP | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | the earlier the more testing | 16:37 |
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| hemna | I'll try and do more reviews today, was doing a bit last night | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | I've run a bunch of create cases with forced failures and so far so good | 16:37 |
| scottda | bye | 16:37 |
| avishay | there are 3 huawei monsters at the bottom of the queue... | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: yeah, huawei and coraid and nexenta | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:37 |
| DuncanT- | I'll take another look at task-flow. The last things I spotted were all minor | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | I'd like to sort through things like public volumes R/O volumes first | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT-: great.. thanks :) | 16:38 |
| avishay | jgriffith: i've been working on coraid and nexenta recently | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | avishay: excellent | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | OHHHH | 16:38 |
| zhiyan | jgriffith: thanks, it's ready to get your +2 IMO :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | That reminds me | 16:38 |
| zhiyan | some minor changes which DuncanT- spotted has been addressed. | 16:38 |
| avishay | jgriffith: yup you're right, read-only just got a new update, we should get these features in | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | I put together a quick driver-cert last week-end | 16:39 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: oooooh shiiiiiny | 16:39 |
| hemna | how is that going? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | avishay: I'll get it up on github | 16:39 |
| avishay | sweet | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | ^^ everyone | 16:39 |
| uvirtbot | jgriffith: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | So here's my dilema right now.... | 16:39 |
| * hemna readies his git clone command line...... | 16:39 | |
| jgriffith | 1. I wrote it in python, it checks devstack and cinder and runs the tempest api/volume tests | 16:39 |
| zhiyan | avishay: yes, thanks. and jgriffith i'm working on mutliple-attaching now | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | 2. It's extensible so you can add things like compute, networking etc | 16:40 |
| avishay | zhiyan: awesome | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | So I'm thinking it doesn't belong in "cinder" should be outside somewhere for others to make use of and contribute to | 16:40 |
| hemna | why not in tempest itself ? | 16:40 |
| hemna | tempest has a subproject for stress tests | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | the question is... is that place, devstack, tempest or maybe a project in packstack? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | errr | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | ^^ stackforge | 16:41 |
| uvirtbot | jgriffith: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 16:41 |
| avishay | why not cinder/tests/functional or something? just for the run script | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | uvirtbot: welcome back! | 16:41 |
| uvirtbot | jgriffith: Error: "welcome" is not a valid command. | 16:41 |
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| avishay | haha | 16:41 |
| avishay | uvirtbot is not very sociable | 16:41 |
| uvirtbot | avishay: Error: "is" is not a valid command. | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | avishay: well the only reason is like I said others could use this as well | 16:41 |
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| avishay | other projects? | 16:42 |
| hemna | tempest seems like a logical place to me, especially if you think others can use it. | 16:42 |
| avishay | oh, the packaging of results, yes definitely | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | K... I'll fiddle with it some more and get input from everybody later this week | 16:43 |
| avishay | yea tempest could be the right place | 16:43 |
| avishay | jgriffith: there's some hook to configure the backend, or just supply a cinder.conf file, or flags? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | Ok... anything else from folks? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | med_: did you want more details from yesterdays project udpate? | 16:44 |
| med_ | noe | 16:44 |
| med_ | nope | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | avishay: nope, it let's you do that. Assumes a devstack env | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | avishay: then collects your cinder.conf and git stamps of the repos of interest | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | med_: kk | 16:45 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: OK cool | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | alrighty then... if nobody has anything let's finish early for a change :) | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thanks everyone! | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 7 16:45:56 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-08-07-16.01.html | 16:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-08-07-16.01.txt | 16:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2013/cinder.2013-08-07-16.01.log.html | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | Ha!! | 16:46 |
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| bswartz | for once the bot works properly | 16:46 |
| hemna | lol | 16:46 |
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| avishay | finish early + bot works...wow | 16:46 |
| avishay | go buy lotto tickets | 16:46 |
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| hartsocks | #startmeeting VMwareAPI | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 7 16:59:39 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hartsocks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' | 16:59 |
| hartsocks | Hello stackers! | 16:59 |
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| hartsocks | Who's around to talk vmwareapi stuff and things? | 16:59 |
| tjones | Hi Shawn | 16:59 |
| danwent | hi | 17:00 |
| hartsocks | anyone else around? | 17:01 |
| hartsocks | is Kiran around? | 17:01 |
| danwent | garyk was just in the other channel, right? | 17:01 |
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| tjones | I saw garyk join | 17:02 |
| garyk | i'm here - just had to make sure that i was not locked inthe office :) | 17:02 |
| hartsocks | okay :-) | 17:02 |
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| tjones | Lol | 17:02 |
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| hartsocks | well… VMware people in the house! | 17:03 |
| danwent | from earlier, i think kiran is occupied, though eustace may be available. | 17:03 |
| Eustace | I;m here | 17:03 |
| hartsocks | hey! | 17:04 |
| Eustace | hi All... | 17:04 |
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| tjones | Hi | 17:04 |
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| hartsocks | Let's cover bugs quickly and focus most of the time on blueprints this week. | 17:04 |
| hartsocks | #topic bugs | 17:05 |
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| hartsocks | Are there any blocker do-or-die bugs we aren't tracking right now? | 17:05 |
| hartsocks | I've got 3 new bugs waiting on triage... | 17:05 |
| danwent | hartsocks: do we have someone doing a weekly triage of all bugs tagged with 'vmware'? | 17:05 |
| danwent | :) | 17:05 |
| danwent | good timing | 17:06 |
| tjones | Should we bump the prio of do or die bugs for Havana? | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | danwent: I'm on the Nova Bug Team and it's my official duty. | 17:06 |
| garyk | i'll also try and take a look when i have a few cycles | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | Any help is appreciated. | 17:06 |
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| danwent | hartsocks: k, great | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | Let's move the target away from Havana-3 if there's a bug that's lower priority. | 17:06 |
| hartsocks | The bug priority is set by a Nova policy. | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | … let me see ... | 17:07 |
| danwent | i haven't seen any action on this 'high' bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1187853 | 17:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1187853 in nova "VMWAREAPI: Problem with starting Windows instances on ESXi 5.1" [High,Confirmed] | 17:07 |
| hartsocks | The official guide FYI: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage | 17:07 |
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| danwent | does that bug actually require a code change, or just different metadata with the image? | 17:08 |
| danwent | (i.e., is it a code change or a doc change?) | 17:08 |
| tjones | I think both. I can take it if u want | 17:08 |
| hartsocks | It has no milestone on it. | 17:08 |
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| danwent | booting windows vms seems valuable :) | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | If you want something "to be done" the "next" milestone communicates that. | 17:09 |
| garyk | danwent: the bug will require a code change as it is hard coded | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | danwent: that's why I put it as high. | 17:09 |
| danwent | cool | 17:09 |
| garyk | i think that it is a good bug for low hanging fruit - that is if someone wants to dive in and learn the flow | 17:09 |
| hartsocks | danwent: anyone who has bandwidth should see it and pick it up. | 17:09 |
| tjones | Lets use the target to communicate to the team its needed or not for Havana. I'll take the bug | 17:10 |
| hartsocks | thanks. | 17:10 |
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| hartsocks | Anyone else see something that needs addressing? | 17:11 |
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| tjones | Dan (or someone) can u make sure the must haves are marked Havana-3 and the others are not? | 17:12 |
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| danwent | tjones: i will take a pass, thanks | 17:13 |
| tjones | Thx | 17:13 |
| danwent | tjones: you're seeing milestone, right? | 17:13 |
| tjones | Yes | 17:13 |
| danwent | and someone is already switching the windows bug | 17:13 |
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| hartsocks | Here's a quick link to filter for open bugs: http://goo.gl/xW4XMu -> just passed through a url shortener 'cuz it's a monster query. | 17:14 |
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| hartsocks | Using that link you can see there are only 14 open bugs to keep track of and prioritize. | 17:14 |
| danwent | hartsocks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35374/ | 17:14 |
| danwent | are we still planning on trying to merge this patch, or just relying on the larger blueprint from HP to handle this | 17:15 |
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| hartsocks | AFAIK we are still trying to merge this… | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | No activity in a while. | 17:15 |
| hartsocks | That Sabari is working full out on another project so I don't think we can count on getting this soon. | 17:16 |
| danwent | ok, i wasn't sure if it was "compatible" with the approach being taken in the HP patch, as they also allow you to add resource pools as hosts, right? | 17:16 |
| garyk | i have a few minor nits with that patch. otherwise it looks good | 17:16 |
| hartsocks | If it comes to it I can run a merge on the patches to see what comes out. | 17:17 |
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| hartsocks | I try to put these things through their paces with an integration environment before giving a +1 | 17:17 |
| danwent | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1184807 needs h-3 milestone | 17:17 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1184807 in nova "Snapshot failure with VMware driver" [High,In progress] | 17:17 |
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| danwent | what are our plans for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1192192 ? | 17:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1192192 in nova "Nova initiated Live Migration regression for vmware VCDriver" [Medium,Confirmed] | 17:18 |
| danwent | it seems like we should at least give the user a clean error message | 17:19 |
| danwent | as we know this should not work with the VC-driver, correct? | 17:19 |
| danwent | (or does that change once we have resource pools as hosts, since they could be in the same cluster?) | 17:19 |
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| hartsocks | I'm bumping that one out past Havana. | 17:19 |
| hartsocks | The problem is subtle. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | It's only a problem when you use the clusters. If you use one host name per ESXi host then it works. | 17:20 |
| hartsocks | The issue is that nova can't send a command that could work since you need to use a pair of hosts source, destination that are vMotion compatible and that only happens in clusters. | 17:21 |
| danwent | yeah, i get why it doesn't work. | 17:21 |
| danwent | i'm just wondering if we can have a cleaner failure | 17:21 |
| danwent | for example, seems like there is a method check_can_live_migrate_destination | 17:21 |
| hartsocks | So it's more interesting in that it potentially highlights an architectural impedance mismatch. | 17:21 |
| danwent | could we implement that method, and just always return false, so the user gets a reasonable error message, rather than a traceback? | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | That's reasonable. | 17:22 |
| danwent | We can document that live migrations should be via vCenter for now | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | Ah. More documentation to write. | 17:22 |
| danwent | you know me :) | 17:22 |
| hartsocks | IIRC other supported hypervisors will try a migration any which way you ask for and then fail. | 17:23 |
| tjones | In an expert now. My doc change got merged. | 17:23 |
| danwent | hartsocks: maybe create a public wiki page of things we need to document, so others can pitch in as well | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | tjones: awesome! | 17:23 |
| hartsocks | good idea. | 17:23 |
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| hartsocks | #action document the needed documents in a document to speed documentation | 17:24 |
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| danwent | doc^4 | 17:24 |
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| hartsocks | But, we do need to start collecting these. There's starting to be too many for me to keep in my head. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | Okay... | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | so I usually do triage after this meeting based on feedback I get here. | 17:25 |
| hartsocks | So do we have anything else we need to highlight or triage ASAP? | 17:26 |
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| danwent | hartsocks: mulit-datacenter | 17:27 |
| danwent | where did we leave that? | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | Let's move to blueprints then. | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:27 |
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| danwent | did we say that we were going to try and get the "simple" patch fixed and backported to grizzly? | 17:27 |
| hartsocks | So we're in the last push for Havana | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-clusters-managed-by-one-service | 17:27 |
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| hartsocks | I think there's general consensus that this is *the* most important patch to get into Havana! | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | This is Kiran's patch. And he's been on vacation a while now. | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | It looks nearly ready to go. | 17:28 |
| hartsocks | But there are a few nits that I would want to have cleaned up before a core-reviewer saw it and gave it a −2 … which would waste their time and ours. | 17:29 |
| hartsocks | garyk: you're our back port guru… how bad do you think this will be to back port? | 17:29 |
| garyk | the aforementioned bp? | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | yeah | 17:30 |
| hartsocks | multi-something-something. | 17:30 |
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| hartsocks | multi-clusters. | 17:30 |
| danwent | can't backport features to public stable branches | 17:30 |
| danwent | only fixes | 17:30 |
| danwent | or am i misunderstanding something? | 17:30 |
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| garyk | yup, danwent is correct. | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | I'm sorry. | 17:31 |
| danwent | we'll probably want to backport it on our "own" stable branch, for customer to use, and post it publicly though | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | I just scrolled back and re-read what I wrote. | 17:31 |
| hartsocks | #undo | 17:31 |
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| hartsocks | I'm obviously itching to get to blueprints. | 17:32 |
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| tjones1 | LOL | 17:32 |
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| danwent | hartsocks: its fine, we can talk about the datacenters thing later if you prefer | 17:32 |
| hartsocks | I'm trying to find the patch. | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | I have a patch that's in abandoned state. | 17:33 |
| hartsocks | I found out my account was screwed up and it looks like the patch doesn't show as under my id even though it has my name on it. Weird. | 17:33 |
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| hartsocks | Short answer: I think I can fix multi-datacenter … and make it easy to backport. | 17:34 |
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| hartsocks | #topic blueprints | 17:35 |
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| hartsocks | irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-clusters-managed-by-one-service | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | blah blah blah | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | last update 7 days old. | 17:35 |
| hartsocks | Next most important... | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-nova-cinder-support | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | that one is you garyk | 17:36 |
| garyk | yeah - the first draft of the code is ready for review - / | 17:36 |
| hartsocks | awesome | 17:37 |
| garyk | review can be found at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40245/ | 17:37 |
| garyk | There is one lacking development - need to boot from volume. | 17:37 |
| garyk | This will be addressed tomorrow. | 17:37 |
| hartsocks | nice | 17:37 |
| tjones1 | great work gary! | 17:37 |
| garyk | gracias. can you guys please take a look and provide comments | 17:38 |
| hartsocks | okay... | 17:38 |
| garyk | the patch is based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40105/6 - there are excepions when volume attachment/detachment takes place | 17:38 |
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| hartsocks | If it's a requirement then I'll bump it to H3 and call it high-priority | 17:39 |
| hartsocks | Looks like you already cleaned up my nit-picks from earlier. | 17:40 |
| hartsocks | outstanding! | 17:40 |
| garyk | yeah | 17:40 |
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| hartsocks | Okay… so next on my list is... | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-vmware-disk-usage | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | Which surprised us as needed by a customer. | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | that sentence akward. | 17:41 |
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| hartsocks | We were surprised when a customer asked for this behavior specifically. | 17:41 |
| hartsocks | How's that? | 17:41 |
| garyk | the customer is always right | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | So this actually has a really solid use-case I didn't know about. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | It is used in conjunction with the config-drive feature. | 17:42 |
| hartsocks | I'm trying to classify the failure of config-drive with vSphere as a bug… since the feature is there it's just dead. But this could be forced to be labeled as a blueprint. | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | In which case we'll be tracking one more blueprint. | 17:43 |
| hartsocks | #action query Tang on progress | 17:44 |
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| hartsocks | Last (and least) up is: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-image-clone-strategy | 17:44 |
| danwent | hartsocks: small, well-understood features as bugs is likely reasonable, but i would expect that someone might shoot us down if that didn't merge by the havana-3 deadline. | 17:44 |
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| hartsocks | This is my little feature to expose use_linked_clone to the CLI | 17:45 |
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| hartsocks | It's there to support the afore mentioned use case where the ephemeral disk, linked_clone, and config-drive work in concert to quickly spin up a VM | 17:46 |
| tjones1 | i love how you guys are using "aforementioned" in a sentence so much today ;-) | 17:47 |
| hartsocks | *lol* | 17:47 |
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| hartsocks | So the multi-cluster patch (see multi-cluster, multi-datastore, multi-datacenter … so much multi it comfuses me) | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | … supports a basic deploy. | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | The 2 cinder blueprints support volume operations! | 17:48 |
| hartsocks | The ephemeral blueprint + linked_clone blueprint + config-drive support this common do-or-die use case: | 17:49 |
| tjones1 | Here's where i have the BP for hanava listed (fyi) https://wiki.eng.vmware.com/OpenStack/2013#Critical_BP_for_Havana_3 | 17:49 |
| hartsocks | 1. spin op instance with OS drive + epehmeral drive | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | 2. first boot with config drive | 17:50 |
| hartsocks | 3. pull in dependencies using apt-get, yum, puppet whatever | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | 4. config network (er… i guess 3 and 4 swap places) | 17:51 |
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| hartsocks | 5. pull in custom application/data | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | … on the ephemeral drive | 17:51 |
| hartsocks | So it turns out that all flavors except the smallest usually include 2 drives for the instance. | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | The first for the OS… the second for application specific stuff. | 17:52 |
| hartsocks | And now we all know! | 17:52 |
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| hartsocks | And that's why these are our most important fixes/bp to get in. | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | #topic open discussion | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | Any thoughts? | 17:53 |
| garyk | guys, i am sorry but i need to leave now. i'll be online a little later | 17:53 |
| hartsocks | garyk: thanks for hanging around :-) | 17:53 |
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| hartsocks | Okay. | 17:54 |
| hartsocks | If that's it we're done early! | 17:54 |
| tjones1 | gr8 | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | I'll be pinging all the key players in email so we all stay in step as we drive toward Havana-3 deadline. | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | Happy stacking! | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | #end | 17:55 |
| danwent | hartsocks: thanks, that is great | 17:55 |
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| hartsocks | #endmeeting | 17:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 7 17:55:48 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-08-07-16.59.html | 17:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-08-07-16.59.txt | 17:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/vmwareapi/2013/vmwareapi.2013-08-07-16.59.log.html | 17:55 |
| hartsocks | awww yeeeaaaah | 17:56 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 18:59 |
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| torgomatic | it's everything I always dreamed of | 18:59 |
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| notmyname | looks like a few people are still joining | 19:00 |
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| notmyname | let's get started | 19:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 7 19:01:25 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 19:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 19:01 |
| swifterdarrell | o/ | 19:01 |
| zaitcev | o7 | 19:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 19:01 |
| peluse | o/ | 19:01 |
| portante | o/ | 19:02 |
| * torgomatic is just here for the snacks | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for joining. let's get started | 19:02 |
| * clayg was lead to believe there would be punch and pie? | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | topics: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 19:02 |
| notmyname | #topic 1.9.1 release | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1.9.1 release (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:02 | |
| notmyname | so first up, notice that 1.9.1 RC was cut today | 19:02 |
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| * portante yum, never thought irc meetings could be so tempting ... | 19:03 | |
| notmyname | this is primarily in response to the bug reported and patched by portante | 19:03 |
| portante | thanks to zaitcev for asking the original question in a review | 19:03 |
| notmyname | patches have been backported to folsom and grizzly | 19:03 |
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| notmyname | and merged into master | 19:03 |
| peluse | there go my plans to take down the new Intel Swift cluster with delete commands | 19:04 |
| portante | redbo also has a patch out based on this to remove unlinkold() calls | 19:04 |
| notmyname | :-) | 19:04 |
| notmyname | assuming nothing major is reported by people this week, the current RC will be the final 1.9.1 release | 19:04 |
| notmyname | ttx will help formalize that on monday or tuesday, depending on your timezone | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | any questions about 1.9.1 or today's release? | 19:05 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on to the schedule for the next one | 19:05 |
| notmyname | #topic havana release schedule | 19:06 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "havana release schedule (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:06 | |
| notmyname | the openstack-wide schedule for havana is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 19:06 |
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| notmyname | from that, you can see that oct 17 is the date for havana, and the RC for havana is sept 26 (ish) | 19:06 |
| notmyname | which means that it's likely for us (ie swift) to have just one more release before then, and that release will be included in the openstack havana release | 19:07 |
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| zaitcev | Is this a good time to ask if LFS is makingit | 19:08 |
| * portante hopes to get diskfile refactoring and database db work from zaitcev in for that release | 19:08 | |
| portante | clayg has reviewed the latest diskfile proposal | 19:08 |
| notmyname | so therefore the 1.9.2 milestone has been created and we'll shoot for the RC at sept 26 ish | 19:08 |
| portante | great | 19:08 |
| clayg | portante: what's next?! | 19:08 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: portante: ya, I'd love to see it included | 19:08 |
| notmyname | clayg just asked the right questions | 19:08 |
| chmouel | would that be 2.0 if we get lfs? | 19:08 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: what do you need next | 19:08 |
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| * clayg guesses he needs to review some of zaitcev's patches too... | 19:09 | |
| notmyname | chmouel: probably not (my default answer is no) | 19:09 |
| chmouel | :) | 19:09 |
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| * chmouel guesses that question come up every release | 19:09 | |
| notmyname | it's likely that the next release will be 1.10.0 rather than 1.9.2 (either way, just a number) | 19:09 |
| notmyname | current_version = uuid.uuid4().hex | 19:10 |
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| redbo | 1.A.0 | 19:10 |
| notmyname | redbo: :-) | 19:10 |
| portante | yes! | 19:10 |
| zaitcev | Peter asked me to take https://raw.github.com/zaitcev/swift-lfs/master/doc/source/lfs_plugin.rst and stuff it into... docstrings. Mostly. Some of it does not match docstrings entirely, so I'm going to keep that file, just make it very small. Include examples of configuration that GlusterFS/Ceph/HPSS can copy-paste. | 19:10 |
| zaitcev | The "LFS planned changes" section is supposed to list all work items and reviews, which it mostly does. | 19:11 |
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| zaitcev | David was not happy about my renaming of broker.db_file, then I thought I'd help his ACL thing in exchange, then he suddenly disappeared. | 19:12 |
| cschwede | @zaitcev: HPSS? Is someone working on this, are there any docs I didn't read yet? | 19:12 |
| zaitcev | cschwede: A guy from IBM Federal poked me about doing it. Apparently its xattr is limited and Swift does not work right on top of it. | 19:12 |
| yuan | zaitcev, will there be an example config for zfs? | 19:13 |
| zaitcev | cschwede: So it would be Swift's essentially unchanged back-end but with some workarounds | 19:13 |
| portante | clayg: I believe that for DiskFile, we need to grind out the changes to use the new open method and then from that work do the official API definition | 19:13 |
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| portante | with that, we'll apply a similar discipline to the database broker based on pete's work already | 19:13 |
| clayg | portante: ok, feel free to ping me anytime you have a review up that I haven't looked at yet, or if you get a couple of changes going and you could use some help with one | 19:14 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: portante: are you concerned with the ability to get changes proposed in time for inclusion in havana? | 19:14 |
| cschwede | @zaitcev: thanks for the info. Nice to know as I know some other people interested in this | 19:14 |
| portante | I think we can get DiskFile in on time, but we'll have work hard on the database db side | 19:15 |
| notmyname | ok | 19:15 |
| notmyname | let me know how I can help | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | anything else to discuss for the havana release? | 19:16 |
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| portante | and I think we need to realize that this won't be a completely polished interface, as we make changes, the ripple effects take time as folks start to see how these changes can be leveraged for other work | 19:16 |
| notmyname | in general, the review queue has been getting really long. we all need to get better at staying on top of reviews | 19:16 |
| notmyname | #topic swift hackathon | 19:17 |
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| * portante has been off on perf testing for the last hour days, sorry | 19:17 | |
| notmyname | so we're going to do this :-) | 19:17 |
| portante | yes | 19:17 |
| cschwede | nice :) | 19:17 |
| portante | hackathon is a good idea | 19:17 |
| notmyname | the summit is in hong kong (and has a tendency to have lots of powerpoint | 19:17 |
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| notmyname | so for those who want to do code stuff with no powerpoint allowed, let's do a hackathon! :-) | 19:18 |
| peluse | sounds good! | 19:18 |
| notmyname | I'll make the invite public shortly (ie this afternoon or tomorrow), but here's the summary | 19:18 |
| notmyname | Tuesday, October 15, 2013 at 9:00 AM - Thursday, October 17, 2013 at 7:00 PM in Austin Texas | 19:18 |
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| portante | venue? | 19:18 |
| notmyname | we'll reserve a block of hotel rooms | 19:19 |
| notmyname | the venue will be on the UT campus | 19:19 |
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| zaitcev | I replied, but feel free to bump me if you need "more core core" peope accomodated. | 19:19 |
| notmyname | jsut north of downtown austin | 19:19 |
| creiht | ahh nice | 19:19 |
| creiht | notmyname: where at on campus? | 19:19 |
| notmyname | creiht: in the UT commons center | 19:20 |
| notmyname | sorry, had to find it in my email | 19:20 |
| creiht | hehe cool | 19:20 |
| creiht | http://www.utexas.edu/commons/ | 19:21 |
| creiht | that commons? | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ya | 19:21 |
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| creiht | then that is at the JJ. Pickle Research center | 19:21 |
| notmyname | http://www.utexas.edu/commons/rooms/commons/bevoroom.php | 19:21 |
| creiht | not the UT campus | 19:21 |
| creiht | but still a cool place | 19:21 |
| notmyname | ah ok :-) | 19:21 |
| dfg | isn't that place in way north austin? | 19:22 |
| notmyname | dfg: http://www.utexas.edu/commons/maps/ | 19:22 |
| creiht | Nah, just North Austing | 19:22 |
| creiht | I used to work across the street when IBM was there | 19:23 |
| dfg | i still think of austin in terms of having to take the bus there... | 19:23 |
| creiht | haha | 19:23 |
| creiht | parking there will also be better than the normal campus :) | 19:23 |
| zaitcev | "Drive via US-84 E · 698 mi11 h 12 min" .. hmm. I think I'll have to fly in. | 19:23 |
| notmyname | heh | 19:23 |
| notmyname | I'll get the rest of the logistics info out ASAP | 19:23 |
| creiht | lol | 19:24 |
| notmyname | I'm looking forward to it | 19:24 |
| notmyname | any other questions on that topic? | 19:24 |
| cschwede | it should be no problem to join remote? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | cschwede: not sure. we havent' discussed that yet | 19:24 |
| cschwede | ok | 19:24 |
| portante | do you know what hotel you are going to get a block of rooms at yet? | 19:24 |
| notmyname | portante: not yet. that's next on the list fo things to do for it | 19:25 |
| notmyname | any preferences? | 19:25 |
| zaitcev | I was going to stay in the cheapest motel. At Havana summit FBI broke into the next room and arrested a dude at 4 a.m. | 19:25 |
| portante | marriot | 19:25 |
| creiht | lol | 19:25 |
| peluse | marriott | 19:25 |
| portante | red hat gets a discount there | 19:25 |
| creiht | I'll probably just crash with family | 19:26 |
| peluse | I store my points there :) | 19:26 |
| Dieterbe | zaitcev: whoa | 19:26 |
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| notmyname | I'll look into the marriott | 19:26 |
| notmyname | #topic erasure codes progress | 19:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "erasure codes progress (Meeting topic: swift)" | 19:26 | |
| notmyname | torgomatic: peluse: can you give an update here? | 19:27 |
| peluse | so I've got general multi-ring support up for review on the EC branch. Covers proxy server only and test coded updated to support the plumbing but havne't added specitic unit tests yet. Looking for feedback then will post similar changes to the replciator. | 19:27 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/LlvIFIQs/swift-erasure-codes | 19:27 |
| peluse | lots more info on teh review page | 19:27 |
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| torgomatic | I provided a little feedback; I'll look more after this meeting | 19:27 |
| peluse | cool, thanks | 19:27 |
| peluse | I know Yuan has done a lot too, Yuan are you on? Its 3am there so hard to say | 19:28 |
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| portante | notmyname: is this a community trello board, or only for swiftstack folks? | 19:28 |
| notmyname | portante: public | 19:28 |
| yuan | torgomatic, I made some early code here, c/39865/ | 19:28 |
| torgomatic | yuan: ok, I'll look at that too | 19:28 |
| portante | I would not mind using this for tracking the work for DiskFile and DatabaseBroker and the rest of LFS | 19:28 |
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| peluse | Wrt Yuan's work - he posted a draft of the get/put path changes and the EC library framework. When he cleans it up more he'll push it up for review on the EC branch | 19:29 |
| * torgomatic has been busy with internal SwiftStack work lately | 19:29 | |
| notmyname | portante: ok, let's talk after to get one set up | 19:29 |
| portante | k thx | 19:29 |
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| peluse | Does Kevin know about the Swift meetings? | 19:29 |
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| notmyname | peluse: I'll make sure he does | 19:29 |
| peluse | cool, I know he's made progress on his EC algorithms and on the algebraic signature stuff. We at Intel are also looking to open source some low level code and will contriube that as as optional library as well. Next month or so I think | 19:30 |
| notmyname | cool | 19:30 |
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| notmyname | anything else need to be discussed on EC? any questions? | 19:31 |
| peluse | clayg: did you get a chance to look at the latest multi ring changes? | 19:31 |
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| yuan | question, we want a new eccontroller or some helper func | 19:31 |
| torgomatic | whatever makes the code cleaner | 19:32 |
| peluse | If you mena ECObjectController I think we settled on no new controller, just helper functions. Or I read things that way anyway... torgomatic? | 19:32 |
| portante | the LFS patch work at the controller level would help make this easier to do, would it not? | 19:32 |
| clayg | peluse: not since sam's comments | 19:32 |
| portante | zaitcev already has a tree with that work that folks might want to consider | 19:32 |
| yuan | portante, yeah it does | 19:33 |
| peluse | His comments were just today I think, patch 10 is the last update I made. Lots of fun w/the test code :) | 19:33 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: got a link for clicky goodness? | 19:33 |
| clayg | peluse: I'll take another look then - thanks | 19:33 |
| peluse | prtante: can you send the link? | 19:33 |
| zaitcev | The "big" LFS, which plugs Controller in proxy is here https://github.com/zaitcev/swift-lfs | 19:33 |
| notmyname | thanks | 19:33 |
| peluse | yeah, will check it out | 19:34 |
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| zaitcev | that said I'm not sure, I need to look at Paul's thing. I didn't know his "multi-ring" was baout EC | 19:34 |
| peluse | So to be clear the multi-ring thing and the idea of using a separate ECObjectController are two different dsicussions | 19:34 |
| zaitcev | oh | 19:34 |
| peluse | The separate controller would be to not require different functions in the ObjectController for get/put/etc | 19:35 |
| torgomatic | I'd kind of like to support multi-ring stuff completely before starting on EC, but that's just me | 19:35 |
| peluse | multi-ring I'm trying to do as very generic to apply to Clayg's storage policies soln as well | 19:35 |
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| peluse | torgotmatic: i agree which is why I jumped on it first :) | 19:35 |
| torgomatic | i:) | 19:36 |
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| torgomatic | not sure what the i is for | 19:36 |
| peluse | was wondering | 19:36 |
| * portante thought it was a solute | 19:36 | |
| notmyname | anything else on EC for now? | 19:36 |
| peluse | not on my end | 19:36 |
| notmyname | before moving to open discussion? | 19:36 |
| torgomatic | nothing here | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 19:37 |
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| notmyname | anything else to discuss in the meeting this week? | 19:37 |
| peluse | anyone see my general question about debug prints in the unit test code? (how to) | 19:37 |
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| portante | run ./.unittests --nocapture --nologcapture | 19:38 |
| notmyname | peluse: is the problem that nose is grabbing the output streams and you aren't seeing it? | 19:38 |
| notmyname | portante: ah, those are nice options to know | 19:38 |
| peluse | problem is they're going somewhere and I don't know where :) | 19:38 |
| peluse | I can try what portante suggests | 19:38 |
| clayg | i think i do -vsx | 19:39 |
| portante | does not work with tox, so use that with a virtualenv with the right dependencies if not on a release that supports the latest with openstack | 19:39 |
| clayg | running one test at a time helps a lot too | 19:39 |
| portante | yes | 19:39 |
| portante | what is -vsx? | 19:39 |
| clayg | portante: options for nose | 19:39 |
| portante | oh, sorry | 19:39 |
| peluse | and how do I run one test a time, that would be great | 19:39 |
| clayg | nosetests path/to/the/test_file.py:TestCaseName.test_name | 19:40 |
| clayg | -vsx | 19:40 |
| clayg | :P | 19:40 |
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| peluse | swesome thanks | 19:40 |
| notmyname | anything else? | 19:40 |
| notmyname | thanks all for being here and for your work on swift | 19:41 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 19:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 7 19:41:17 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-08-07-19.01.html | 19:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-08-07-19.01.txt | 19:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2013/swift.2013-08-07-19.01.log.html | 19:41 |
| portante | c ya | 19:41 |
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| peluse | later | 19:41 |
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| zaneb | #meeting heat | 20:00 |
| zaneb | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 7 20:00:31 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zaneb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| sdake_ | o/ | 20:00 |
| zaneb | that's better | 20:00 |
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| spzala | Hello zaneb and all, | 20:01 |
| zaneb | who else is awake? | 20:01 |
| spzala | I am new to heat and looking forward to work with you to learn and contribute actively. I have been contributing to keystone development for sometime now. | 20:01 |
| therve | Hi! | 20:01 |
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| sdake_ | welcome aboard spzala | 20:01 |
| radix | good afternoon | 20:01 |
| zaneb | spzala: welcome :) | 20:01 |
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| spzala | Thanks!!! :) | 20:01 |
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| zaneb | so, shardy is away today, I think he's back on Friday | 20:02 |
| radix | ok I was just about to ask | 20:02 |
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| topol | hi | 20:02 |
| zaneb | was I supposed to send out the agenda for this? | 20:02 |
| sdake_ | angus still sawing logs | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | that didn't happen :D | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 20:02 |
| sdake_ | zaneb agenda 24 hours in advance, meeting notes after meeting | 20:02 |
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| tspatzier | hi | 20:02 |
| timductive | o/ | 20:03 |
| jasond | hi | 20:03 |
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| zaneb | ok, I think we have a quorum | 20:03 |
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| * stevebaker was in #openstack-metering :/ | 20:03 | |
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| tspatzier | lol | 20:03 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: lol | 20:03 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: any action over there? | 20:03 |
| adrian_otto | hi | 20:03 |
| zaneb | #topic Review last week's actions | 20:04 |
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| stevebaker | confusingly quiet | 20:04 |
| randallburt1 | sorry I'm late | 20:04 |
| andrew_plunk1 | hey | 20:04 |
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| TravT | o/ | 20:04 |
| zaneb | ACTION: shardy to send mission ML statement | 20:04 |
| zaneb | how did that work out? I didn't see it | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | I'm not sure it has been sent yet, but there was more etherpad action | 20:05 |
| zaneb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/heat-mission | 20:05 |
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| zaneb | so, thanks asalkeld and kebray for input | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | I think it should just be posted at this point | 20:06 |
| zaneb | I added some more justification for what I think would be good to include | 20:06 |
| zaneb | so if anyone still cares, have a look | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | I expect shardy will post something when he gets back | 20:06 |
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| zaneb | that was the only action, so moving on... | 20:06 |
| zaneb | #topic Choose date for Havana_Release_Schedule FeatureProposalFreeze | 20:06 |
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| stevebaker | so.. | 20:07 |
| adrian_otto | the term "enforce policy" appears first in the mission. Is that really what the mission should be emphasizing as its first stated goal? | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/FeatureProposalFreeze | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | As a project we can choose to set a FeatureProposalFreeze date | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule <-- other project's dates are appearing here | 20:08 |
| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 20:08 |
| topol | after reading the extra input on the mission are we changing it or going with the original? | 20:08 |
| zaneb | topol: if you have feedback add it to the etherpad, it will be up to shardy to sort it out I think | 20:08 |
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| topol | zaneb I was good with his original | 20:09 |
| randallburt1 | stevebaker: so that means no more bps or reviews for new stuff. if its not in the pipe by then, its got to be a bug, yes? | 20:09 |
| stevebaker | If we choose a date, any blueprint that doesn't have an active review by that date is deemed to have missed the feature freeze | 20:09 |
| therve | stevebaker, The freeze is Sep 4th right? | 20:09 |
| zaneb | so nova have their feature freeze on August 22nd | 20:09 |
| topol | Since heat is at the top of openstack food chain perhaps it can have a late featurefreezedate than somehting like keystone or nova | 20:09 |
| randallburt1 | well, we still have lots to review and test, so we may need more time than the other projects too | 20:10 |
| zaneb | I don't think where we are in the food chain makes much difference | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | I'm not aware of other project features that we're blocked on though | 20:10 |
| therve | randallburt1, reviews don't count | 20:10 |
| zaneb | I think we are slightly faster to review than some other projects | 20:10 |
| zaneb | that's what would make a difference | 20:10 |
| m4dcoder | if i'm readying the policy correctly, as long as we get our 1st patchset in, subsequent patchsets for the feature is still allowed after the freeze date? | 20:10 |
| therve | The FPF is for new blueprints | 20:10 |
| radix | so the freeze is only for when the change gets submitted to gerrit, not for when the change gets merged? | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | The point is to avoid a review stampede the day before the feature freeze, smooth out the reviewing process | 20:11 |
| zaneb | m4dcoder: correct | 20:11 |
| radix | ok | 20:11 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: +1 | 20:11 |
| radix | got it | 20:11 |
| randallburt1 | therve: ah, ok | 20:11 |
| therve | Well not after the freeze data | 20:11 |
| therve | After the feature proposal freeze date :) | 20:11 |
| zaneb | so the freeze for stuff getting merged is the Havana-3 deadline | 20:11 |
| zaneb | on the 6th of September | 20:11 |
| topol | zaneb, well with keystone if we dont freeze the the APi early there is no way for the other core projects to adopt. Im assuming heat doesnt need the core projects to adopt their apis so much | 20:11 |
| therve | topol, Yeah it's more a workflow problem | 20:12 |
| zaneb | topol: that's what the release milestone is for | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: yep, although some features I think can have explicit extensions | 20:12 |
| sdake | zaneb the actual freeze is the 4th | 20:12 |
| zaneb | this is about managing the review queue | 20:12 |
| zaneb | sdake: quite right, thanks | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | So I propose that we have a FeatureProposalFreeze on August 23, because Friday deadlines are *awesome* ;) | 20:12 |
| randallburt1 | :P | 20:12 |
| therve | +1 :) | 20:12 |
| sdake | should make it a monday so the poor sobs can work through the weekend ;) | 20:12 |
| randallburt1 | so cruel. | 20:13 |
| radix | sdake: hehe, I was going to say the same ;) | 20:13 |
| zaneb | so, if anybody is planning a whole massive patch queue on August 23rd, you're doing it wrong anyway | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | but if you are, at least there is a chance of it being reviewed | 20:14 |
| zaneb | yeah | 20:14 |
| zaneb | and after that, it's increasingly dicey | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | so 23rd? | 20:14 |
| zaneb | sounds reasonable | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | doneburgers. I'll tell ttx | 20:15 |
| zaneb | not saying I would -2 everything after that | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | but it would be even better if folks posted whatever they have *before* that | 20:16 |
| randallburt1 | so picky… ;) | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | yep, its just setting expectations | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | if you have incremental steps that are ready, post 'em | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | (it's not always that easy, I realise) | 20:17 |
| zaneb | ok, moving on? | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | yes | 20:17 |
| zaneb | #topic h3 blueprint prioritization | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | heh | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Havana_Release_Schedule | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | whoops | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/havana-3 | 20:17 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: what did ttx have to say yesterday? | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | we need to be more realistic about our bp list for this cycle | 20:18 |
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| stevebaker | ...obviously | 20:18 |
| zaneb | so I see that some people have updated their blueprints | 20:18 |
| zaneb | which is great! thank you all | 20:18 |
| stevebaker | Anything that is Not started, Started or Slow progress might need some scrutiny | 20:19 |
| zaneb | if anybody has out-of-date status on their blueprints, please double-check them | 20:19 |
| stevebaker | jasond: where is multiple-engines at? | 20:19 |
| * SpamapS is a bit sad that rolling-updates is slipping. :-P | 20:19 | |
| jasond | stevebaker: still testing. | 20:20 |
| jasond | can someone mark it approved? | 20:20 |
| stevebaker | jasond: could you update the Delivery field to reflect where it is at? | 20:20 |
| jasond | oh, nevermind | 20:20 |
| jasond | sure, will do | 20:20 |
| radix | my instance-group-nested-stack bp is up for review, has a couple positive reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38571/ | 20:20 |
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| stevebaker | randallburt: open-api-dsl is a bit of an umbrella bp - it is too broad to be useful really | 20:21 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: agreed. | 20:21 |
| randallburt | per last couple of meetings, will be fine changing it and coloring it done once the param work is sorted | 20:22 |
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| stevebaker | I don't really know where HOT is at and what is left to be done, so that would be helpful | 20:22 |
| randallburt | or we can get rid of /archive as superceded | 20:22 |
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| SpamapS | is there a single unifying HOT v1 blueprint dependent on the other bits so we can see all the things in flight to make it a reality? | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | we could use open-api-dsl for that, but set it to milestone next | 20:24 |
| zaneb | +1 | 20:24 |
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| adrian_otto | +1 | 20:24 |
| adrian_otto | that was the intent of that blueprint anyway | 20:24 |
| randallburt | SpamapS: sorta. the dependencies of #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/open-api-dsl are there but not complete | 20:24 |
| randallburt | need to add the param constraints work from tspatzier et al | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: that looks like what we need tho. Lets not add anymore. ;) | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | ok, I've set the milestone to heat next | 20:25 |
| zaneb | vijendar: are you about? | 20:25 |
| randallburt | he's on his way | 20:25 |
| zaneb | 'k | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | agordeev: are you about? | 20:26 |
| vijendar | zaneb: hi | 20:26 |
| zaneb | vijendar: what's the progress on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/parallel-delete ? | 20:26 |
| zaneb | is "Started" still a fair assessment? | 20:26 |
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| vijendar | zaneb: it's in code review | 20:27 |
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| spzala | stevebaker: fyi on HOT, I am wrapping up some keystone work but I am going to learn and work on HOT. | 20:27 |
| zaneb | vijendar: excellent, thanks for updating it :) | 20:27 |
| radix | spzala: nice :) | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | spzala: cool, ok | 20:27 |
| vijendar | zaneb: currently I am fixing couple of tests that are failing | 20:27 |
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| zaneb | ok, cool | 20:28 |
| spzala | radix: stevebaker: thanks! | 20:28 |
| stevebaker | sdake, how be native-nova-instance? | 20:28 |
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| sdake | was blocked by various problems with devstack | 20:28 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: agordeev has posted some patches, at least, toward to olso db stuff | 20:28 |
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| sdake | now unblocked once the neutron review is approved | 20:28 |
| * stevebaker really wants that feature | 20:28 | |
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| stevebaker | no pressure ;) | 20:29 |
| sdake | looks like the neutron review was approved | 20:29 |
| sdake | so we should be good to proceed now | 20:29 |
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| fvollero | Howdy | 20:29 |
| zaneb | ok, so it looks like we are not in terrible shape | 20:29 |
| zaneb | the open bps are fairly evenly spread across people | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | yep | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | so, if everybody can keep their bps up to date, that will be a big help to whichever poor sap has to go to the release status meetings ;) | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | and if you think something is not going to land in time, please flag it | 20:31 |
| zaneb | either in irc or during a meeting | 20:31 |
| therve | Let's try to have a quick review cycle, too | 20:31 |
| therve | Talk to people :) | 20:31 |
| radix | by the way, is feature freeze going to involve a new branch so feature work can continue? | 20:31 |
| zaneb | therve: +1 | 20:31 |
| radix | or are we going to be locked out for a month and a half? | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | radix: you're not supposed to continue feature work. | 20:31 |
| zaneb | radix: typically the latter, as far as I understand | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | radix: fix bugs, document, test, etc. | 20:32 |
| zaneb | that was pretty much the case last time | 20:32 |
| radix | zaneb: ok | 20:32 |
| zaneb | radix: the good news for you is that there will be heaps of bugs :) | 20:32 |
| radix | yes, of course | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | I'd like to think we could do that code re-org during feature freeze | 20:32 |
| therve | Also documentation | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | and everyone can write tempest tests | 20:32 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: only if you keep it very quiet ;) | 20:32 |
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| zaneb | ok, let's move on | 20:33 |
| zaneb | #topic Discussion about "Heat config" and the bug related to. | 20:33 |
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| zaneb | fvollero: go | 20:33 |
| EmilienM | o/ | 20:33 |
| zaneb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1209141 | 20:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1209141 in heat "Heat config: all options related to binding should be splited from DEFAULT" [Undecided,New] | 20:33 |
| fvollero | \o/ | 20:33 |
| EmilienM | I found this bug this morning, I think we should create groups in options | 20:34 |
| EmilienM | like we have in Nova | 20:34 |
| fvollero | zaneb: Yeah, I guess we should thank EmilienM that reported this bug i just figured out later | 20:34 |
| zaneb | kudos, EmilienM ;) | 20:34 |
| EmilienM | since we have 3 API which could running on a single node, the bindings options should be splited | 20:34 |
| fvollero | As we discussed earlier shouldnt be difficult to have them grouped a la nova | 20:34 |
| stevebaker | can it fall back to [DEFAULT] if the other block has no setting? | 20:34 |
| EmilienM | we should | 20:35 |
| fvollero | stevebaker: yeah | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | Sp we dpm | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | dohh | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | wow | 20:35 |
| SpamapS | so we don't all collide .. Triaged/High seems appropriate. | 20:35 |
| EmilienM | with the new fashion of config, I'm scared about all OpenStack projects which have several config files | 20:35 |
| EmilienM | specific to Heat, where we have some flags duplicated | 20:36 |
| EmilienM | i.e. bind_host | 20:36 |
| EmilienM | i.e. bind_port | 20:36 |
| fvollero | EmilienM: in one host configuration, the only concern are the bind_port since the host still the same | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | so should the rules be: | 20:37 |
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| stevebaker | 1. if heat.conf exists use it, otherwise fall back to heat-*.conf | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | 2. if [API|CFN|CLOUDWATCH] blocks exist, use them otherwise fallback to [DEFAULT] | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | that way, old configs will continue to work, new configs will work, and mixtures of old and new won't cause random pain | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | Given the collision possible, I think bind_port and bind_host should be removed from default. | 20:38 |
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| SpamapS | Each service can have its own default in its own section. | 20:38 |
| fvollero | stevebaker: Sounds great this way. | 20:39 |
| EmilienM | stevebaker: +1 | 20:39 |
| fvollero | yes, +1 | 20:39 |
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| EmilienM | cool, thank's for consideration guys | 20:39 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: Yeah, maybe as subset of the specific services | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | The using old config files is tricky..how long do we keep supporting the old ones? Do we issue a deprecation warning? | 20:40 |
| fvollero | EmilienM: I guess you found a case the developers initially didn't considered :) | 20:40 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: That seems the way to go. | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | Technically we already broke configs completely this release.. so I'm more inclined to say "just get rid of the old ones now" than have to do that dance. | 20:40 |
| EmilienM | the fact is the new fashion in Oslo has not been adopted in all projects | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | Perhaps provide a tool to automatically convert if you've been testing H | 20:40 |
| EmilienM | only Ceilometer & Heat AFIK | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | yep, we've already caused packaging pain with the paste.ini changes | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | may as well get it all done | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | make the painful change now and people will have time to adapt before h3 | 20:41 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: To join them in 1 single file you mean ? | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | make it later, and we just have to keep these old files around forever. | 20:41 |
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| SpamapS | fvollero: yes, if we want one config file, lets just do it. | 20:41 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: yeah, that's actually very possible. | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | we already broke things horribly between grizzly and H | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | so breaking h2 and h3.. I personally don't care. | 20:42 |
| EmilienM | so maybe you are agree I should abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40257/ | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | As long as it is advertised and well known. | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | EmilienM: no, I think you should enhance it to also make sure those old config files are not read by oslo.config. | 20:43 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: yes indeed. So I guess now, the main goal is to solve the bug and make 1 file to be compliant as before | 20:43 |
| andrew_plunk1 | it would be cool to have a config migration tool | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | andrew_plunk1: should be really easy to write too | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | and the packagers would love us | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | and production defaults! | 20:43 |
| andrew_plunk1 | +1 stevebaker | 20:43 |
| EmilienM | SpamapS: ack | 20:43 |
| fvollero | +1 stevebaker | 20:44 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: +1 | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | everybody else feel comfortable with this radical approach? | 20:44 |
| andrew_plunk1 | It sounds good to me | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | yes | 20:44 |
| SpamapS | I don't want to guide EmilienM into conflict... ;) | 20:44 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: Well, if we state it clearly in all the documentation, why not | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | is there a bp for this? that is a good way of highlighting the change in the release notes | 20:45 |
| EmilienM | lol I'll say your name :P | 20:45 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: Even if we should need to have steve hardy for some more discussion | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | what documentation mentions any config files at this point? Thats probably a question worth answering before this gets done. | 20:45 |
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| SpamapS | EmilienM: sounds like a threat. ;) | 20:45 |
| fvollero | SpamapS: I mean, the EmilienM changes could be also: Put the stuff in heat.conf and not here. Check http://blablabla | 20:46 |
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| zaneb | ok, I think we've covered this one | 20:47 |
| zaneb | #topic Open Discussion | 20:48 |
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| stevebaker | i gotta go | 20:48 |
| fvollero | me too... | 20:48 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: o/ | 20:48 |
| zaneb | anybody got anything else | 20:48 |
| * SpamapS does as well.. | 20:48 | |
| zaneb | ? | 20:48 |
| spzala | I have a review request for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38921/ | 20:48 |
| spzala | (nanji, owner of the patch, could not make it to the meeting so requesting on his behalf) | 20:48 |
| fvollero | Thanks guys for your quick approach on the spotted bug :) | 20:48 |
| fvollero | Have a wonderful evening! | 20:48 |
| zaneb | it's not actually compulsory for this meeting to run for an hour, so I'm happy to end it soon ;) | 20:48 |
| spzala | zaneb: :) | 20:49 |
| zaneb | spzala: that patch is on my list, hopefully I will get a chance to take a look tomorrow | 20:49 |
| radix | I don't have anything else (other than whining for more reviews) | 20:49 |
| spzala | zaneb: that would be great. Thanks! | 20:49 |
| zaneb | anybody want to bikeshed the mission statement some more? | 20:50 |
| * zaneb ducks | 20:50 | |
| zaneb | (don't even think about it, btw) | 20:50 |
| adrian_otto | I want to contribute to the mission statement, but need time to work on it. | 20:50 |
| zaneb | adrian_otto: cool, that's a better way to have the discussion I think | 20:50 |
| adrian_otto | is putting my input into the etherpad the best way, or is that something we should do in #heat? | 20:50 |
| zaneb | add it to the etherpad | 20:50 |
| zaneb | maybe ping folks in #heat to let evryone know there are changes | 20:51 |
| randallburt | spzala I'm trying to make time to look at that as well | 20:51 |
| spzala | randallburt: awesome, thanks :) | 20:51 |
| randallburt | np | 20:51 |
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| adrian_otto | ok, will do. I will be out on vacation, so will miss your next IRC meeting, but will send a proxy to speak to it. | 20:52 |
| zaneb | spzala: I tuned out somewhere between patch sets 7 and 15, but it looks a bit more stable now ;) | 20:52 |
| zaneb | adrian_otto: cool, cheers | 20:52 |
| adrian_otto | when do you want to conclude all Mission related work? | 20:52 |
| spzala | zaneb: yes, I think and hope so too :) | 20:52 |
| zaneb | adrian_otto: I expect shardy will want to look at it when he gets back | 20:53 |
| zaneb | or rather, he won't want to, but he'll probably feel he has to ;) | 20:53 |
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| zaneb | adrian_otto: but I will let him know you're planning on adding some feedback | 20:54 |
| adrian_otto | tx | 20:54 |
| zaneb | ok, if there is nothing else I'm going to wrap this show up with 5mins to spare :) | 20:54 |
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| zaneb | thanks everyone! | 20:55 |
| zaneb | #endmeeting | 20:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 7 20:55:21 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-08-07-20.00.html | 20:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-08-07-20.00.txt | 20:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2013/heat.2013-08-07-20.00.log.html | 20:55 |
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