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| devananda | hi all! who's here for the ironic meeting? | 18:59 |
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| lucasagomes | o/ | 18:59 |
| * NobodyCam is | 19:00 | |
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| devananda | #startmeeting ironic | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 22 19:00:52 2013 UTC. The chair is devananda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 19:00 |
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| devananda | hi! | 19:01 |
| devananda | looks like we have a pretty full agenda today, which is great to see | 19:01 |
| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 19:01 |
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| devananda | lucasagomes: know if martyn is going to join us today? | 19:02 |
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| NobodyCam | wow we do | 19:02 |
| devananda | there are a lot of API things on the agenda, and i think his input would be useful | 19:02 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, I don't know, lemme see if he's around | 19:02 |
| devananda | thanks | 19:02 |
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| lucasagomes | not really, he's not on the RedHat channels as well | 19:04 |
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| devananda | hm, k | 19:04 |
| devananda | well, let's get started then | 19:04 |
| devananda | #topic to XML or not to XML | 19:04 |
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| devananda | is there a compelling reason for XML support initially? | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | why use xml? | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | right, so should we support XML? as far as i know WSME works "OK" with xml responses | 19:05 |
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| lucasagomes | if I could vote I'd say -1 to xml | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | my initial thoughts are we don't need it | 19:05 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: :) | 19:05 |
| romcheg | As I know some guys use XML in production. | 19:05 |
| lucasagomes | martyntaylor, hey! | 19:06 |
| devananda | i don't know enough about client lib requirements to be sure, but i am keen on keeping things simple initially | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | romcheg: json is also very standard | 19:06 |
| martyntaylor | lucasagomes: yo, sorry was a little late | 19:06 |
| devananda | so if we don't absolutely need xml in rev1, let's put it on the back burner. we will probably want to support it eventually | 19:06 |
| devananda | martyntaylor: hi! glad you could make it :) | 19:06 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: +1 | 19:07 |
| romcheg | I agree with devananda | 19:07 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, +1 | 19:07 |
| anteaya | o/ | 19:07 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: +1 since the API is still evolving we may as well invest the effort in XML once its more stable | 19:07 |
| devananda | great | 19:07 |
| devananda | #agreed no XML support in rev1, to streamline our work on the JSON API | 19:08 |
| devananda | #topic PATCH request format | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PATCH request format (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:08 | |
| devananda | lucasagomes had found some good info on this last week... still have the links? | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-image-service/2.0/content/update-an-image.html | 19:08 |
| lucasagomes | http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-json-patch-10 | 19:08 |
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| lucasagomes | so, first, we need to agree with a patch format | 19:09 |
| lucasagomes | and put it in our spec api | 19:09 |
| martyntaylor | lucasagomes: I'd note for using the json patch format for 2 reasons. | 19:10 |
| devananda | #link http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-image-service/2.0/content/update-an-image.html | 19:10 |
| martyntaylor | 1. it's used else where in openstack, i.e. the example you just gabe | 19:10 |
| devananda | #link http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-json-patch-10 | 19:10 |
| devananda | (add #link sticks it in the .html meeting summary) | 19:10 |
| martyntaylor | 2. it's the closest thing to a standardised format | 19:10 |
| martyntaylor | the negative, is that it's trickier to implement | 19:11 |
| martyntaylor | once quesiton I have though, is that do we need PATCH in rev1 | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | martyntaylor, I think there's a python lib which implents that already | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | https://github.com/stefankoegl/python-json-patch | 19:11 |
| lucasagomes | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/jsonpatch/0.6 | 19:12 |
| devananda | consumers of the ironic API will frequently be changing one or two parameters at a time | 19:12 |
| devananda | so PUT, even for sub resources, is less than ideal | 19:12 |
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| martyntaylor | devananda: yeah, I can certainly see its value. But it is just another (albeit more efficient way) to update a resource and we already support PUT | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | so patch instead of delete / readd | 19:13 |
| devananda | so either we require all API clients to GET then PUT a complete (sub)resource, or we allow PATCH. | 19:13 |
| martyntaylor | I wonder whether effort is better spent implementing one update method and getting a v1 release of the API, then add in PUT or PATCH in necxt rev | 19:13 |
| NobodyCam | martyntaylor: thats my question too | 19:14 |
| devananda | martyntaylor: what would that "one update method" be? | 19:14 |
| martyntaylor | PUT and PATCH are both ways to update a resource | 19:14 |
| devananda | yes | 19:14 |
| martyntaylor | oh | 19:14 |
| martyntaylor | sorry | 19:14 |
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| martyntaylor | yeah so personally I would vote for PUT, since it is part of the HTTP spec | 19:15 |
| martyntaylor | but I've no real object to PATCH | 19:15 |
| martyntaylor | objection* | 19:15 |
| anteaya | the use of PATCH will require education of new contributors, would it not? | 19:16 |
| devananda | so here's a problem with not having PATCH | 19:16 |
| lucasagomes | problem with put is that it's more a "replace" than an "update" | 19:16 |
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| NobodyCam | my question is the how much would it delay rev1 release to work in patch | 19:16 |
| devananda | when an API client wants to change one attribute of driver_info, it will need to PUT the entire driver_info, including the password. every. single. time. | 19:17 |
| romcheg | Why not use UPDATE which is the part of standard HTTP spec? | 19:17 |
| devananda | romcheg: aiui, that is PATCH. am I missing some part of the spec? | 19:17 |
| romcheg | and also UPDATE is for "updating" not for replacing | 19:17 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: yeah that is less than ideal. | 19:18 |
| martyntaylor | romcheg: I'm not aware of UPDATE | 19:18 |
| romcheg | Hmm | 19:19 |
| * NobodyCam takes a step back.. I don't think the question is will we support patch/update its do we need it for rev1 | 19:19 | |
| NobodyCam | devananda: ^^? | 19:19 |
| martyntaylor | NobodyCam: I think devananda question is if we are to support a single method of update, should it be PATCH or PUT | 19:19 |
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| romcheg | Looks like I was wrong all these years... | 19:20 |
| devananda | romcheg: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html#sec9 | 19:20 |
| romcheg | devananda: yup, already found that | 19:20 |
| devananda | PATCH isn't in the 1.1 spec either. it's a somewhat recent extension AIUI, but it's widely used now | 19:20 |
| martyntaylor | yeah it's still an RFE | 19:20 |
| martyntaylor | http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5789 | 19:20 |
| devananda | so, NobodyCam put it well -- can rev1 function with only one method (put OR patch)? | 19:21 |
| devananda | i think we can't function without patch | 19:21 |
| martyntaylor | I agree | 19:21 |
| devananda | because the requirement that all clients know all data all the time just to update any field is, well, not a reasonable requirement IMHO | 19:21 |
| devananda | we need to allow updating single fields | 19:22 |
| martyntaylor | oh | 19:22 |
| martyntaylor | I read that as we can* | 19:22 |
| devananda | :) | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | we also have a problem with the pecan/wsme object representation, the way we were doing PUT was to get the delta object, remove all the NULL fields (creating a delta object) and updating the documents with the fields that was filled | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | now it doesn't allow us set a field to NULL | 19:22 |
| lucasagomes | the max you can do is to empty that field | 19:22 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: yes. this is part of the reason i haven't landed that patch of mine. i have not been happy with a few implementation / implications of it | 19:23 |
| devananda | like that | 19:23 |
| devananda | but that was a side effect of using PUT-like semantics, but hacked up to do updates instead of replace | 19:23 |
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| lucasagomes | devananda, yup, and supporting PATCH would fix that too | 19:24 |
| devananda | for structured objects (eg, node, port, chassis) pecan/wsme will provide us with NULL fields for any values not POST/PUT'ed | 19:24 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: lucasagomes well we can catch that at the transformation layer | 19:24 |
| devananda | for the nested dicts (eg, driver_info, properties, extra) we just get the passed stuff. | 19:24 |
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| devananda | so PUT needs to completely replace the existing dict | 19:25 |
| devananda | and we need PATCH to allow single-field updates of said dicts | 19:25 |
| martyntaylor | we also need to be careful about race conditions with updates too | 19:26 |
| devananda | (there's another problem with wsme that I need to bring up later -- response code doesn't work today) | 19:26 |
| NobodyCam | is it worth landing the current patch and a blueprint to refactor patch support | 19:26 |
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| NobodyCam | meeting 1/2 over and we are on topic #2? | 19:27 |
| devananda | eek | 19:27 |
| devananda | NobodyCam: thanks | 19:27 |
| devananda | let's table this and move on. | 19:27 |
| devananda | #action continue debate about PATCH support | 19:27 |
| lucasagomes | right so... let's move on, we can talk about it another time at the #openstack-ironic | 19:27 |
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| devananda | #topic RPC hooks | 19:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RPC hooks (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:28 | |
| devananda | i think this is a no-brainer and I will land the patch importing Dan's work, unless anyone objects now :) | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | +! | 19:28 |
| NobodyCam | 1 even | 19:28 |
| romcheg | +1 | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | cool :) removed my -1 already | 19:28 |
| lucasagomes | so +1 | 19:28 |
| devananda | great | 19:29 |
| devananda | #agreed proceed with importing RPC serliazers | 19:29 |
| devananda | #topic testing | 19:29 |
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| devananda | romcheg: i think you added this :) | 19:29 |
| romcheg | Yup | 19:29 |
| devananda | and I would be thrilled for ironic to have more/better testing | 19:29 |
| romcheg | We have folks here who landed the patch to OSLO that allows to test DB migrations. | 19:30 |
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| devananda | indeed -- boris-42' teams work has been great there | 19:30 |
| romcheg | I have asked yuriz to use it for Ironic | 19:30 |
| NobodyCam | we have been in such a state of flux i think its been tuff to ramp up testing | 19:30 |
| devananda | ++ | 19:30 |
| romcheg | We have a BP | 19:30 |
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| devananda | link? | 19:30 |
| romcheg | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/db-migration-tests | 19:30 |
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| devananda | #action devananda to review bp: ironic/db-migration-tests | 19:31 |
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| devananda | as for tempest // devstack integration, I think we're not quite there, but someone could start working on adding ironic to devstack | 19:31 |
| boris-42 | devanada that was hard) | 19:31 |
| romcheg | As I know the patch for Ironic is ready. yuriz told me he will submit it as soon as devananda approves the BP | 19:31 |
| devananda | so that by the time we finish the API/RPC work, the devstack bits are in place | 19:31 |
| boris-42 | devananda ^ | 19:31 |
| devananda | romcheg, boris-42: do you guys have someone starting on the devstack integration? | 19:32 |
| romcheg | No, currently no one's working on that | 19:33 |
| devananda | we also have NobodyCam working on diskimage-builder integration, though that won't lead to CI for a while (there are other issues blocking diskimage-builder CI right now) | 19:33 |
| devananda | romcheg: k. feel free to toss up a BP. we'll need it eventually :) | 19:33 |
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| devananda | #action romcheg to post BP for devstack / tempest integration with ironic | 19:33 |
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| devananda | moving on ... i'm going to skip the next few API items (which we sort of already talked about anyway). I'll come back to them if there's time | 19:34 |
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| devananda | #topic copyright lines | 19:34 |
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| devananda | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LegalIssuesFAQ#Copyright_Headers | 19:34 |
| devananda | everyone should (have) read that (already) | 19:34 |
| devananda | any questions? | 19:35 |
| jog0 | devananda: are you using hacking 0.6 yet? | 19:35 |
| devananda | jog0: possibly not. want to post a patch? | 19:35 |
| jog0 | devananda: it checks for copyright headers | 19:36 |
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| devananda | cool | 19:36 |
| jog0 | just makes sure apache2 header is correct and present | 19:36 |
| jog0 | devananda: sure | 19:36 |
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| devananda | #action jog0 to update us to use hacking 0.6 | 19:36 |
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| NobodyCam | and check with you employeer | 19:36 |
| NobodyCam | s/you/your/ | 19:37 |
| devananda | ah. yes. some employers have very specific policies for their employees | 19:37 |
| martyntaylor | I'm sure there's an eclipse plugin for this hehe :D | 19:37 |
| devananda | any other comments on (c)? | 19:37 |
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| devananda | k, moving on | 19:39 |
| devananda | #topic keystone auth | 19:39 |
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| devananda | i'm good with ironic API being admin-only for now | 19:39 |
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| devananda | romcheg got that working in a patch. thanks!! | 19:39 |
| jog0 | devananda: how does that change with v3 keystone API? | 19:39 |
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| devananda | romcheg: ^ ? | 19:40 |
| NobodyCam | but keystone endpoints would be nice | 19:40 |
| romcheg | jog0: we use authtoken_middleware | 19:40 |
| jog0 | see justin santa barbara's ML thread | 19:40 |
| jog0 | about domains | 19:40 |
| romcheg | which allows us to not aware of changes in the keystone api | 19:40 |
| jog0 | romcheg: how does it sort out domains? | 19:40 |
| romcheg | jog0: Oh, I thought you were asking about checking the auth token. | 19:41 |
| romcheg | As I know we do not depend on keystone api when we use python-keystoneclient. Not sure about some specific features. | 19:43 |
| jog0 | romcheg: I am sort of .. disclaimer I don't know alot about v3 keystone API but domains change things I think | 19:43 |
| romcheg | Since I have already started working on that part of Ironic, I can make a research on that. | 19:44 |
| jog0 | ie ca none be an admin of a domain only? | 19:44 |
| jog0 | can one * | 19:44 |
| devananda | perhaps one of you can raise this on the ML, so keystone folks can chime in? | 19:44 |
| jog0 | devananda: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-July/012292.html | 19:45 |
| devananda | my goal is that, at least in ironic rev1, the ironic API be only accessible to a very restricted, privileged set of users | 19:45 |
| devananda | eg, "cloud admins" | 19:45 |
| NobodyCam | devananda: +1 | 19:46 |
| romcheg | v3 only appeared in havana, didn't it? | 19:46 |
| devananda | #action romcheg to continue discussion about keystone v3 and domains | 19:46 |
| NobodyCam | (for now) | 19:47 |
| devananda | romcheg: yes. new in havana | 19:47 |
| devananda | moving on cause we're short on time | 19:47 |
| romcheg | ok | 19:47 |
| devananda | #topic PXE driver | 19:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PXE driver (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:47 | |
| devananda | GheRiver1: hi! any news on the pxe driver or glanceclient patches? | 19:47 |
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| * devananda wonders if GheRiver1 is around ... | 19:49 | |
| devananda | ok, we'll come back t that if he pops in | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | no news is good news? | 19:49 |
| devananda | #topic diskimage-builder | 19:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "diskimage-builder (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:49 | |
| NobodyCam | i've fallen a tad behind here | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | I should be back on track this week | 19:49 |
| NobodyCam | there is a rabbit issue that seems to have popd up .. I need to look in to it more | 19:50 |
| NobodyCam | short update is : not quite there yet. | 19:50 |
| devananda | k, thanks for the update | 19:52 |
| devananda | i skipped a bunch of the API related stuff, but there's one that i need to bring up | 19:52 |
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| devananda | #topic WSME response object | 19:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "WSME response object (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:52 | |
| devananda | basically, pecan 0.5b2 doesn't fully support the Response object | 19:53 |
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| devananda | so we can't currently do things like "return 200 or 202, depending on XXX" | 19:53 |
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| devananda | there's a bunch of #NOTEs in my patch about this | 19:54 |
| devananda | and I think it'll affect all of the API work for a little while | 19:54 |
| devananda | #topic open discussion | 19:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 19:54 | |
| devananda | 5 minutes left -- go :) | 19:54 |
| romcheg | I have a question! | 19:54 |
| romcheg | ^) | 19:54 |
| romcheg | We have some todos to move the things related to eventlet to ironic.__init__ | 19:55 |
| lucasagomes | I've another problem with the object representation in pecan/wsme... anyone knows a way to return only a subset of it? | 19:55 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: return different subsets from different methods? | 19:56 |
| romcheg | I'm not too familiar with pbr. What's our problem with that? | 19:56 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: or have different methods return different things | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, for e.g | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | if we want to support something like this in our api | 19:56 |
| romcheg | Currently we import eventlet in ironic.cmd.__init__ and ironic.test.__init-_ | 19:56 |
| lucasagomes | GET ../chassis/1?fields=uuid,extra | 19:56 |
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| lucasagomes | it would return only some fields of that chassis | 19:56 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: oh. let's not do that :) | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, yea I know :) it was just an e.g | 19:57 |
| martyntaylor | I have a question about transformation in pecan | 19:57 |
| martyntaylor | well in particular in wsme | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | but it also works for the list of nodes for example | 19:57 |
| lucasagomes | wehere I want to return only the UUID + link | 19:57 |
| devananda | lucasagomes: for that, i would create an API class that is UUID + link, and return a list of those | 19:57 |
| martyntaylor | would the preferred approach be to use wsme complex types, templates or creating a pecan transformer objects | 19:57 |
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| devananda | wsme complex types | 19:58 |
| devananda | and nested types where necessary | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | lucasagomes: like this open discussion (Meeting topic: ironic) | 19:58 |
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| NobodyCam | gah | 19:58 |
| martyntaylor | devananda: thanks | 19:58 |
| devananda | i spoke (very briefly) with dhellmann last week and that was the conclusion | 19:58 |
| NobodyCam | keystone endpoint-get --service ${service_name} | awk 'length($4)!=0 && $4 !="Value" { split($4,x,"/"); split(x[3],y,":"); print y[1] }' | 19:58 |
| devananda | romcheg: what's wrong with importing eventlent in .cmd.__init__ and .test.__init__? that seems fairly standard to me? | 19:58 |
| lucasagomes | NobodyCam, what you mean? | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | I don't see a big value in parsing the output in our space | 19:59 |
| lucasagomes | devananda, gotcha, yea creating another class with both attributes works, will do that then | 19:59 |
| NobodyCam | let the user parse the output | 19:59 |
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| NobodyCam | vs requesting just name and link fields | 20:00 |
| romcheg | devananda: it's actually more about gettext than about eventlet. | 20:00 |
| devananda | ok, we're out of time. thanks everyone, great meeting! | 20:00 |
| martyntaylor | cheers gents | 20:00 |
| NobodyCam | o/ | 20:00 |
| lucasagomes | thanks | 20:00 |
| devananda | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 22 20:00:24 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-07-22-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-07-22-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2013/ironic.2013-07-22-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| lifeless | morning all | 20:00 |
| lifeless | #startmeeting tripleo | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 22 20:01:08 2013 UTC. The chair is lifeless. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' | 20:01 |
| lifeless | #topic agenda | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:01 | |
| lifeless | bugs | 20:01 |
| lifeless | Grizzly test rack status | 20:01 |
| lifeless | CI virtualized testing progress | 20:01 |
| lifeless | open discussion | 20:01 |
| lifeless | #topic bugs | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:01 | |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ | 20:02 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ | 20:02 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config | 20:02 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config | 20:02 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config | 20:02 |
| jog0 | o/ | 20:03 |
| SpamapS | o/ | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1182249 | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: _almost_ ready to tackle that | 20:04 |
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| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1183223 | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1184484 | 20:04 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: once we swap in os-collect-config , should be able to realistically address it. | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1189385 | 20:04 |
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| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1200201 | 20:04 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1201580 | 20:05 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1201581 | 20:05 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1201584 | 20:05 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1202322 | 20:05 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1202612 | 20:05 |
| jog0 | will be working on 1184484 this week | 20:05 |
| lifeless | wheee we have a bunch of crits ;) | 20:05 |
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| SpamapS | did we lose the bug bot? | 20:06 |
| lifeless | bug 1202322 | 20:06 |
| jog0 | been cought up in rootwrap nova-network entrypoints land | 20:06 |
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| lifeless | appears so | 20:06 |
| lifeless | ok so | 20:07 |
| lifeless | the dib one is kinda worrying | 20:08 |
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| lifeless | since it's -really- harsh when it happens | 20:08 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1202322 just need to land the 2 reviews on os-collect-config and then try devtest with os-collect-config instead of heat-cfntools | 20:08 |
| derekh | lifeless: this happened me quite a few times last week, but not once today .... | 20:08 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: Well, lets get that done :> | 20:09 |
| derekh | lifeless: If it happens again will try and track it down | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: yeah, its what I was working on, when the meeting started :) | 20:09 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: 1201581 - do we need new tenant instances ? | 20:09 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: or just server side ? | 20:09 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: also for the di-b bug.. we can fix it by using rm --one-file-system | 20:09 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: you think the bind mounted dev is still in place when we rm ? | 20:10 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: say so in the bug :) | 20:10 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I think we can just deploy a newer keystoneclient in keystone's venv. | 20:10 |
| lifeless | bug 1201580 is going to be dependent on the precious fs movement stuff | 20:11 |
| lifeless | plus in-instance upgrade hacks | 20:11 |
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| lifeless | jog0: we will need your nova expertise at some point, we have this crazy idea about updating the boot ramdisk + kernel for ari+aki using flavors | 20:12 |
| lifeless | jog0: (and making that work and push out to existing instances) | 20:12 |
| lifeless | s/flavors/images/ | 20:12 |
| jog0 | lifeless: is this the rsync based thing? | 20:12 |
| lifeless | jog0: not directly, but tied into it. | 20:12 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I was just thinking that we could push out a git-tree-puller and a 'pip install -U''er and an 'apt-get upgrade''er | 20:13 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: ah, so a hack :) | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: as ghetto and stinky as possible | 20:13 |
| SpamapS | right | 20:13 |
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| jog0 | lifeless: have a link to this crazy idea? | 20:13 |
| lifeless | jog0: no, I put a bug and etherpad up about the issue | 20:14 |
| lifeless | *will* | 20:14 |
| jog0 | lifeless: cool | 20:14 |
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| lifeless | #action lifeless to ensure we have bugs surrounding the in-instance upgrade path and new ramdisks/kernels | 20:15 |
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| lifeless | jog0: actually what we'd like to do is to rebase an instance onto a new kernel/ramdisk and disk image - but not reboot it - trust it will redo the image contents itself. | 20:15 |
| lifeless | but yeah, will write that up | 20:16 |
| jog0 | interesting, thanks don't fully grok how that works so a writeup would be great | 20:16 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: - https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1200201 - still exists ? | 20:16 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: I haven't verified it is closed yet. | 20:17 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: forgot to tag it in ORC-REFACTOR | 20:17 |
| lifeless | kk | 20:17 |
| lifeless | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1189385 is still pending something; we haven't seen reproduction in a while now. | 20:18 |
| * SpamapS assigns self | 20:18 | |
| lifeless | and I still owe https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1184484 some config extraction | 20:18 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:18 |
| lifeless | any pet bugs folk want to chat about ? | 20:18 |
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| lifeless | ok | 20:19 |
| lifeless | #topic grizzly test rack status | 20:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grizzly test rack status (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:19 | |
| lifeless | so this is ticking along | 20:19 |
| lifeless | I found the network node services had no upstart jobs yesterday | 20:20 |
| lifeless | this had everything down | 20:20 |
| lifeless | and I have NFI how/why.. | 20:20 |
| lifeless | I added them using os-svc-install | 20:20 |
| lifeless | but sheese. | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | I think the thing is a little rickety and concerning. We realy do need at least a tiny subset rack to be able to CD to so we don't have a dead duck. | 20:20 |
| SpamapS | A huge portion of what was done in the POC has been rewritten and refactored a lot since then.. no idea if it would apply to that rack now. :-P | 20:22 |
| lifeless | so there are spare machines | 20:22 |
| lifeless | someone needs to grab the hw list and examine the machines that are faulty and try recovery | 20:23 |
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| lifeless | I can offer some offline hints about that | 20:23 |
| lifeless | also I have a list of 8 or so other machines that were earmarked for monty and are idle | 20:23 |
| lifeless | again, someone with time needs to JFDI | 20:23 |
| SpamapS | time + access ;) | 20:24 |
| lifeless | so, access - good point. | 20:24 |
| lifeless | This is HP hardware in a production datacentre; I don't have the authority to give control plane access to the cloud to non-HP staff, *but* any HP staff involved in tripleo should be totally fine. | 20:25 |
| lifeless | # action HP tripleoers If you don't have access to the POC rack control plane. ping me/ng/spamaps - all of us should be able to add you. | 20:25 |
| lifeless | #action HP tripleoers If you don't have access to the POC rack control plane. ping me/ng/spamaps - all of us should be able to add you. | 20:25 |
| lifeless | huh, failbot ? | 20:26 |
| lifeless | #action HP-tripleoers If you don't have access to the POC rack control plane. ping me/ng/spamaps - all of us should be able to add you. | 20:26 |
| lifeless | NFI.... | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | hey the bug bot is back :) | 20:26 |
| lifeless | heh | 20:27 |
| lifeless | so - we need to action the criticals around the rack | 20:27 |
| lifeless | but we talked about that | 20:27 |
| lifeless | so - next topic time ? | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | are all of the criticals assigned? | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | or at least, the blocking criticals? | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | (may be ordering issues..) | 20:27 |
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| lifeless | no | 20:28 |
| lifeless | they are not | 20:28 |
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| SpamapS | Ok well I think we can address them as criticals and just attack them one by one. | 20:29 |
| lifeless | yup | 20:29 |
| lifeless | #topic CI virtualized testing progress | 20:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI virtualized testing progress (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:29 | |
| lifeless | ok, that works. da fuq | 20:29 |
| lifeless | pleia2: oh hai. | 20:29 |
| lifeless | pleia2: I suspect you're going to say 'nochange' :> | 20:30 |
| pleia2 | yeah, at oscon this week | 20:30 |
| lifeless | #topic open discussion | 20:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: tripleo)" | 20:31 | |
| dkehn | once again all reviews have been addressed on the neutron and neutronclient, going to push for merge in next meeting | 20:32 |
| lifeless | coool! | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | It's worth stating here, I am overhauling os-refresh-config and replacing cfn-hup with os-collect-config .. so please do report any weirdness you see there. | 20:32 |
| lifeless | wooo | 20:32 |
| lifeless | I'm going to be AWL from thursday through wednesday | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | Oh and | 20:33 |
| SpamapS | we're like, official and stuff | 20:33 |
| lifeless | I have some leave thursday/fri then tuesday doing tech @ work day in Sydney. Mon and wednesday are a combination of being not-at-home connectivity spottiness and travel. | 20:33 |
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| lifeless | so I need someone to run this meeting next week. | 20:34 |
| * SpamapS checks schedule to be sure | 20:34 | |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: I will run it | 20:35 |
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| lifeless | thanks! | 20:35 |
| lifeless | #action SpamapS run da meeting next week. | 20:35 |
| lifeless | #help | 20:35 |
| lifeless | ok | 20:36 |
| lifeless | so something I think we should try and sync on | 20:36 |
| lifeless | is the roadmapish | 20:36 |
| lifeless | we're now at the opencloud - woo! | 20:36 |
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| lifeless | in my head, it's now time to take our narrow feature set and start expanding sideways | 20:37 |
| lifeless | - updates | 20:37 |
| lifeless | - HA | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | I need to spend some time on bringing Heat up to our expectations. | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | we need more failures to be retryable | 20:37 |
| SpamapS | and rolling/canary updates will not make h3 if I don't start on it by next week. | 20:37 |
| lifeless | - bare metal improvements (like including vendor firmware flashes in the deploy ramdisk) | 20:37 |
| lifeless | - heat ^ | 20:38 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: so H3 doesn't worry me too much, as long as we're not entirely blocked for 2 months - can you land it with an option to enable it or something | 20:38 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: it can be marked experimental for sure. | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: it won't interfere with anything until you say "please update using canaries/rolling" | 20:40 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: great | 20:40 |
| SpamapS | so yeah, the manual can say "This is experimental use at your own risk" | 20:40 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: well more I mean do you *need* to stress about H3 | 20:40 |
| lifeless | we deploy trunk today | 20:41 |
| lifeless | so as long as we can get the support into trunk... | 20:41 |
| SpamapS | I have a collaborator from outside tripleo who will be helping, who might care about H3 :) | 20:41 |
| lifeless | kk | 20:41 |
| lifeless | what else can we bifurcate onto | 20:42 |
| lifeless | - performance | 20:42 |
| lifeless | - monitoring [as NobodyCam is already!] | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | CI/CD for di-b | 20:42 |
| lifeless | - reporting | 20:42 |
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| lifeless | - CICD yes yes yes! | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | I know a lot has been done already | 20:42 |
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| lifeless | basically - we've automated the stuff the POC taught us. | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | seems like we're close with the offline features to being able to test it in isolation | 20:42 |
| lifeless | Perhaps we need a new stretch goal to consolidate around ? | 20:42 |
| SpamapS | well there is this sprint.. | 20:42 |
| lifeless | its ages off, we should be finished by then :P | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | true | 20:43 |
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| lifeless | baseline - if anyone is aimless, we have tonnes to do, ping me [or anyone else on the team] and we'll help you find a useful thing that is within reach | 20:44 |
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| lifeless | last call on discussion ... | 20:45 |
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| lifeless | ok, thanks for playing! | 20:47 |
| lifeless | #endmeeting | 20:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 22 20:47:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-07-22-20.01.html | 20:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-07-22-20.01.txt | 20:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2013/tripleo.2013-07-22-20.01.log.html | 20:47 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: ty | 20:47 |
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| ivarlazzaro | hello | 20:58 |
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| nati_ueno | hi! | 20:59 |
| arosen1 | hi | 20:59 |
| mestery | hi! | 20:59 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
| armax | hello | 21:00 |
| * mestery thinks salv-olrando wants to live on an island. | 21:00 | |
| markmcclain | hi | 21:00 |
| dkehn | hi | 21:00 |
| obondarev | hi | 21:01 |
| pcm_ | hi | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | #startmeeting Networking | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 22 21:02:44 2013 UTC. The chair is markmcclain. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| SumitNaiksatam | hi All | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:02 | |
| danwent | hi | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:02 |
| rkukura | hi | 21:02 |
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| markmcclain | Ok very different agenda this week | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | I want to spend the bulk of the meeting this week discussing 3 things: bugs, docs, and H3 | 21:03 |
| markmcclain | #topic Announcements | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | #link http://tarballs.openstack.org/neutron/neutron-milestone-proposed.tar.gz | 21:04 |
| markmcclain | H2 was released last week. Great job by the entire team | 21:04 |
| Swami | Hi all | 21:04 |
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| markmcclain | we completed 21 blueprints and fixed 99 bugs | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | #topic bugs | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: Networking)" | 21:05 | |
| markmcclain | We've got two critical bugs that we're tracking this week | 21:05 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1194026 | 21:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1194026 in neutron "check_public_network_connectivity fails with timeout" [Critical,In progress] | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno has put a lot of effort into this bug and submitted two patches for it | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | the first reduced some of the problems but not all of them | 21:06 |
| markmcclain | until we can fix the false negatives the Infra team will keep the job as non-voting in the gate which less than ideal | 21:07 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno has proposed a 2nd fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37576/ | 21:08 |
| salv-orlando | false negatives - you mean the test is succeeding whereas it should fail? | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | no.. the test is failing when it should succeed | 21:08 |
| markmcclain | actually false negative is the wrong way to classify it | 21:09 |
| markmcclain | the test found a race condition | 21:09 |
| salv-orlando | so it's not a false at all | 21:09 |
| nati_ueno | it may not be false negatives .. because floating ip configuration is not finished in 60 sec.. it sounds problem | 21:09 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. my brain is moving slow today | 21:10 |
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| salv-orlando | markmcclain: as slow as it might be, it will still be fast enough to pass and lap mine | 21:11 |
| markmcclain | haha | 21:11 |
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| markmcclain | I'd really like folks to review and test this fix as it is critical to getting the gating restored | 21:11 |
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| nati_ueno | my lap time is third times.. so I need someone's help. | 21:12 |
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| nati_ueno | looping call looks sometimes stopped.. I'm not sure why, and I can't reproduce | 21:12 |
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| mestery | nati_ueno: I'll have a look at this with you. | 21:12 |
| nati_ueno | mestery: Thanks! | 21:12 |
| markmcclain | mestery: thanks | 21:13 |
| salv-orlando | nati_ueno: if it looks like it's looked, it might be because of some other green thread blocking it (rpc from server perhaps)? | 21:13 |
| nati_ueno | I dislike eventlet really nowadays.. | 21:13 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: I'm with you on that one.. but that's something we'll have to wait to Icehouse summit to talk about | 21:13 |
| nati_ueno | salv-orlando: it could be possible | 21:13 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I agree. | 21:13 |
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| markmcclain | the other bug I'd like ot highlight involves recycling of IPs | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | Another critical bug is this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1201692 | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1201692 in neutron "can not create port after some port update operations" [Critical,In progress] | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/37384/ | 21:14 |
| markmcclain | we're short one core to review it | 21:15 |
| salv-orlando | I claim it | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: thanks | 21:15 |
| markmcclain | Any other bugs that should be brought up to the team? | 21:15 |
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| markmcclain | #topic Docs | 21:16 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Docs_.28emagana.29 | 21:16 |
| markmcclain | We have both doc blueprints for the manuals and I've added new bugs for the netconn-api changes too | 21:17 |
| markmcclain | Good docs are critical for new features and it is best that we start writing them now | 21:18 |
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| salv-orlando | just pushed this for netconn-api: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38199/ | 21:18 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: awesome | 21:18 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: did you tag the netconnapi bugs you filed on openstack-api-site? | 21:19 |
| markmcclain | yes | 21:19 |
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| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1203864 | 21:20 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1203864 in openstack-api-site "Neutron FWaaS API docs" [Undecided,New] | 21:20 |
| markmcclain | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1203865 | 21:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1203865 in openstack-api-site "Neutron VPNaaS API Docs" [Undecided,New] | 21:20 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain: thanks. I am not just slow, but blind too. | 21:20 |
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| markmcclain | no worries it is late there | 21:21 |
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| markmcclain | The docs segment will be a regular item on our agenda so if there are major doc items we need to track feel to add to agenda | 21:22 |
| nati_ueno | I assigned the vpn docs for me | 21:22 |
| markmcclain | nachi/sumit: can you make sure there is a member of your subteams assigned to the netconn-api bugs? | 21:23 |
| SumitNaiksatam | markmcclain: yeah, i assigned it to me (for now at least) | 21:23 |
| markmcclain | SumitNaiksatam: thanks | 21:23 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: I can help with VPN docs... just let me know what to do :) | 21:23 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: Ah Thanks! Ok could you take this task? | 21:24 |
| pcm_ | nati_ueno: yes | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | pcm_: thanks for taking it on | 21:24 |
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| nati_ueno | pcm_: OK I'll reassign it for you | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | Any question on docs before we move on? | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | #topic H3 | 21:24 |
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| pcm_ | nati_ueno: Offline we can talk about what I need to do | 21:24 |
| nati_ueno | pcm_: surew | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | #info Last milestone to add features to the Havana release | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | #info H3 release date is Sept 5th | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | #info Neutron feature cutoff is end of day August 23rd | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | H3 follows a long holiday weekend here in the US | 21:26 |
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| markmcclain | so I've move the cutoff to ensure we have the same number of review days as we had for Grizzly | 21:27 |
| markmcclain | The third milestone is usually the most taxing on the gate and gating/merges can take much longer than normal | 21:27 |
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| markmcclain | we have 31 days and that time will fly by, so try not to wait until the deadline to propose code | 21:28 |
| markmcclain | Any questions on H3 scheduling? | 21:29 |
| markmcclain | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Havana_Design_Summit_Priorities_Reminder | 21:30 |
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| markmcclain | I wanted to reminder everyone of where we stand on the major priorities that were developed at the Portland sumit | 21:30 |
| salv-orlando | I'm fine with it. Shall we try and enforce a blueprint cap? | 21:30 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: getting to that :) | 21:31 |
| salv-orlando | k | 21:31 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: Are we going to deplicate linuxbridge and ovs in this release? | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: I'd like to, but want to make sure that ML2 is ready as a drop in replacement | 21:32 |
| mestery | nati_ueno: I thought that would happen in Icehouse? | 21:32 |
| mestery | markmcclain: By deprecate, would LB and OVS still be around for Icehouse? | 21:32 |
| mestery | Or gone completely? | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | mestery: we'd originally talked about deprecating in Havana and removing in Icehouse | 21:33 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: OK, that makes sense, I agree with that. We'll work with that assumption on the ML2 team for the next 31 days then. :) | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | the nice thing about deprecating is that we can make that decision during the RC phase | 21:33 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Perfect. | 21:33 |
| nati_ueno | Ok thanks. I got it | 21:33 |
| rkukura | sounds good | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | the warning will be such that it will be remove at the earliest in Icehouse, but if a show stopper pops up we can delay until J | 21:34 |
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| markmcclain | Now as salv-orlando pointed out we probably need to start considering a cap of blueprints for H3 | 21:35 |
| markmcclain | currently have 63 blueprints targets and we only completed 21 during H2 | 21:35 |
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| markmcclain | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/havana-3 | 21:36 |
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| salv-orlando | considering that we typically land more blueprints in the 3rd milestone, I respectfully wish to suggest 35 blueprints as a reasonable target | 21:36 |
| salv-orlando | (on the optimistic side) | 21:36 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: you were reading my mind :) | 21:37 |
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| markmcclain | our velocity will be aided somewhat by the fact that we have several blueprints (VPN, FW, service types) that are in progress from H2 and should land relatively soon | 21:38 |
| mestery | Looking at that page, salv-orlando is currently assigned almost half of his own specified target quota. :) | 21:38 |
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| salv-orlando | I will cleanup | 21:38 |
| markmcclain | mestery: you're noticing another trend | 21:39 |
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| markmcclain | which is a lot of the blueprints are for vendor plugin features | 21:39 |
| salv-orlando | the trend of me postponing the stuff from one milestone to another and never getting it done? :) | 21:39 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: What are your thoughts on the vendor plugin situation? | 21:40 |
| mestery | with regard to all the BPs in H3? | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | I'll be reaching out to the vendor contacts looking for their priorities | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | some we can mark as medium | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | some we will mark as low which means if they make it great if not that ok | 21:41 |
| markmcclain | and others we'll assign to the next milestone which are items for Icehouse | 21:41 |
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| mestery | markmcclain: That makes sense. | 21:42 |
| markmcclain | vendor blueprints are really a random mix of patch set sizes.. some are small and easy to review and others are large | 21:42 |
| nati_ueno | may be it is good to let them report expected patch size | 21:43 |
| markmcclain | nati_ueno: that will definitely be one of the factors | 21:44 |
| markmcclain | but there are also business factors too, so I want to be a collaborative process | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | also I'm not sure all of proposer is still working on the bps. | 21:45 |
| nati_ueno | markmcclain: I agree | 21:45 |
| markmcclain | the end goal is by next week to have ~35 blueprints that are medium and above | 21:46 |
| mestery | markmcclain: Pragmatism is a great goal to have here. | 21:46 |
| markmcclain | those are the items that we will track for release planning | 21:47 |
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| markmcclain | items marked low will still be accepted but it will all depend on reviewer bandwidth | 21:47 |
| salv-orlando | I think blueprint owners should also explicitly note whether they expect to drop huge commits. | 21:48 |
| salv-orlando | in that case - either split the blueprint or pull the deadline forward (i.e. : one week before) | 21:48 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: that's a good idea too | 21:49 |
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| markmcclain | Any questions about the H3 plans? | 21:50 |
| salv-orlando | I know because I have one which is huge and I'm considering what to do with it... | 21:50 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. I get the feeling we'll have a few in that situation | 21:51 |
| markmcclain | #topic Open Discussion | 21:51 |
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| markmcclain | so we spent a lot of time on planning any items that need to be brought up, but were skipped because of the special agenda today? | 21:52 |
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| dkehn | would like to understand where we are on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30441/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/30447/, would love to get them merged | 21:53 |
| markmcclain | dkehn: I've been traveling and will go back and look at the latest revision | 21:54 |
| dkehn | markmcclain, thx | 21:54 |
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| markmcclain | I'll also ping amotoki to take another look since he's the 2nd core on it | 21:54 |
| dkehn | thx again | 21:55 |
| ivarlazzaro | Hello, as I anticipated in the mailing list I'm going to request a review for the first part of the Embrane's Neutron plugin soon (by today maybe)... Your feedback will be extremely appreciated when you have some time :) (I see that you really are full of work to do!!) | 21:55 |
| salv-orlando | markmcclain, ivarlazzaro: we would still need a core maintainer right? | 21:56 |
| ivarlazzaro | I'm using the open discussion of this meeting just to "anticipate" this and answering any question if any :) | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | salv-orlando: correct | 21:56 |
| markmcclain | ivarlazzaro: we can talk offline, but plugins submitted by non-core team members require a core team member to sponsor | 21:57 |
| ivarlazzaro | markmcclain, salv-orlando: I red in the wiki that the company could propose the plugin developer itself for maintaining it | 21:57 |
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| salv-orlando | pointer? | 21:57 |
| mestery | proposed core developers? | 21:58 |
| mestery | Seems like a mistake on the wiki if it's there. | 21:58 |
| * markmcclain searches for link too | 21:58 | |
| ivarlazzaro | markmcclain, salv-orlando: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/NeutronDevelopment | 21:59 |
| ivarlazzaro | at Adding a Plugin to the Public Quantum Repository | 21:59 |
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| markmcclain | ivarlazzaro: thanks | 22:00 |
| rkukura | ivarlazzaro: You may also want to consider the option of developing drivers for the ml2 plugin as an alternative to a new monolithic plugin | 22:00 |
| ivarlazzaro | markmcclain salv-orlando: "or by having one of the developers of the plugin become a member of the core developer team" its probably a misunderstanding then :) | 22:00 |
| mestery | ivarlazzaro: I think there is confusion there, that means you can become core by doing all the duties a core dev does, not by proposing to be a core dev. markmcclain, please correct me if I'm wrong. | 22:00 |
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| mestery | ivarlazzaro rkukura: I think this plugin is an L3 plugin, not an L2 plugin, based on a mailing list thread I remember reading. | 22:01 |
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| ivarlazzaro | mestery: that's correct | 22:01 |
| salv-orlando | well let's at least glance at blueprint spec and code first | 22:02 |
| mestery | salv-orlando ivarlazzaro: I think this also depends on Bob Melander's patch, no? | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | ivarlazzaro: that person has been acceptable as a core team member in the general sense first which is why we require a current team sponsor first | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | because nearly all new plugin contribs do not have a developer in house who is already a core team member | 22:02 |
| ivarlazzaro | salv-orlando: I agree, anyway I'm willing to improve it a lot as we go on | 22:02 |
| markmcclain | #action markmcclain to clarify working on plugin contribution | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | Anything else for this week? | 22:03 |
| markmcclain | Thanks again for everyone's hardwork on H2 and I'm really excited on the Havana release is shaping up | 22:04 |
| markmcclain | #endemeeting | 22:04 |
| salv-orlando | adieu | 22:04 |
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| markmcclain | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 22 22:04:53 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-07-22-21.02.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-07-22-21.02.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2013/networking.2013-07-22-21.02.log.html | 22:04 |
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