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| eglynn | sandywalsh: just looking at your stacktach BPs, confused a little about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/libvirt-exists-support | 11:16 |
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| eglynn | sandywalsh: IIRC compute.instance.exists notifications are emitted with libvirt | 11:16 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: but what's missing is the ComputeDriver.get_all_bw_counters() implementation for libvirt | 11:16 |
| eglynn | sandywalsh: (or is it a case of the .exists notification missing some additional info in the libvirt case?) | 11:17 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: THis looks like one of those tricky judgement calls about how bad a bug is and whether it justifies an incompatible change to fix it. | 17:27 |
| sdague | afazekas: will do | 17:27 |
| sdague | afazekas: updated | 17:28 |
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| sdague | any other critical reviews? | 17:29 |
| sdague | I admit I'm still getting back into the swing of things post summit | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Most of the other reviews just need to be approved at this point. | 17:30 |
| sdague | or any other topics of note? | 17:30 |
| giulivo | can I shout here a question also sent to the ml? | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Are you going to put a comment in the nova patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25887/ | 17:31 |
| sdague | davidkranz: sure | 17:31 |
| giulivo | *shoot | 17:31 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Thanks. | 17:31 |
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| giulivo | after a blueprint is drafted or a commit pushed for review, is the submitter in charge of searching for an approver/review | 17:32 |
| sdague | giulivo: for code, the reviewers check their review queue regularly | 17:32 |
| sdague | for blueprints, we should do it here | 17:33 |
| giulivo | so for code no need to worry, correct? | 17:33 |
| sdague | giulivo: correct | 17:33 |
| giulivo | thanks :) | 17:34 |
| sdague | if you feel the code isn't getting enough eyes, bring it up at the weekly meeting here | 17:34 |
| sdague | but in general that should just happen in the background | 17:34 |
| giulivo | no no, it is the opposite | 17:34 |
| sdague | ok, anything else from folks? | 17:34 |
| sdague | going once | 17:35 |
| sdague | going twice | 17:35 |
| sdague | ok, I'm going to say we're done for the day | 17:35 |
| sdague | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
| sdague | even though meeting bot is broken | 17:35 |
| sdague | see you all in #openstack-qa | 17:36 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack` | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 18:00:21 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack` | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| openstack` | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | good morning / afternoon / evening everyone | 18:00 |
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| bdpayne | hopefully everyone is recovered from the summit | 18:00 |
| bdpayne | could we start with a role call? | 18:01 |
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| bdpayne | anyone here for the OSSG meeting? | 18:02 |
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| harlowja | i'll chime in :-p | 18:02 |
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| bdpayne | hi! | 18:02 |
| harlowja | hi! | 18:03 |
| nicolae_ | hi! | 18:03 |
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| beyounn | hi | 18:03 |
| harlowja | the message queue security stuff is interesting to me right now, maybe ewindisch has some ideas :) | 18:03 |
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| bdpayne | indeed, that's on the agenda for discussion today | 18:03 |
| harlowja | cool | 18:03 |
| harlowja | seems like multiple paths that could be taken | 18:03 |
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| harlowja | be nice to agree on just 1 :-p | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | ok, let's get started | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | if nothing else, I'll have a nice log of myself typing | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | #topic Summit Wrapup | 18:04 |
| bdpayne | There were a lot of security related discussion at the summit this time around | 18:04 |
| harlowja | def | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | Seems to be growing each time, which is great | 18:05 |
| harlowja | *which is great imho | 18:05 |
| harlowja | ya | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:05 |
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| harlowja | now just to make some of it reality, thats the hard part, haha | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | Themes I saw included key management / secret management, storage encryption, message queue / rpc security | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | Also some interesting talks on using hadoop for log analysis | 18:05 |
| bdpayne | And, of course, there was the NSA keynote | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | any other topics from the summit worth calling attention to? | 18:06 |
| harlowja | hmmm, i remember one in nova about how to do live migration securely | 18:06 |
| bdpayne | interesting… that's a tricky problem | 18:06 |
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| bdpayne | ok, that's something we can keep an eye out for | 18:07 |
| harlowja | def | 18:07 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: I suggested that rootwrap, for as long as it is used, should probably use linux system capabilities, rather than simply sudo to full root access. | 18:07 |
| bdpayne | ahh yes, the root wrap discussion | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | that's a good one too | 18:08 |
| harlowja | never ending root wrap discussion :-p | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | linux capabilities does seem a useful possibility | 18:08 |
| ewindisch | or at the very least, have the rootwrap process drop all privileges except execvp, so it can do things like logging, more safely | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | I recall there being some concerns about non-linux systems, but that shouldn't be a show stopper | 18:08 |
| ewindisch | we can put conditionals around the platform | 18:08 |
| bdpayne | so, yeah, lots of things for security people to work on | 18:08 |
| harlowja | very much so | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | from an OSSG perspective, we got 8-ish new members to the group | 18:09 |
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| bdpayne | would love to get more of the group engaged and think about how we can distribute the work of tracking and helping with all of these features | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | given the light attendance today, I'll leave that as an action item | 18:09 |
| harlowja | :) | 18:09 |
| bdpayne | ironic, perhaps | 18:10 |
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| harlowja | likely everyone still trying to figure out what to do about havana, haha | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | ok, let's move forward | 18:10 |
| nicolae_ | is the "secure live migration" issue described anywhere in more detail? | 18:10 |
| jeblair | bdpayne: we had to restart meetbot; you may want to "#startmeeting openstack security group" again | 18:10 |
| bdpayne | ahh | 18:10 |
| harlowja | nicolae_: let me see if i can find anything, sorta remember which session it was in | 18:10 |
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| bdpayne | #startmeeting OpenStack Security Group | 18:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 18:10:57 2013 UTC. The chair is bdpayne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_security_group' | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | I'll need to check the conference sessions to find the live migration stuff | 18:11 |
| ewindisch | live migrations depend on an ssh key | 18:11 |
| bdpayne | may be an ether pad | 18:11 |
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| bdpayne | I know that I've spoken with Vish about this stuff a bit as well | 18:12 |
| ewindisch | either every compute node has every other machine's public key, or they just share a private key. | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | good times :-) | 18:12 |
| harlowja | ya, so the general problem is as ewindisch says | 18:12 |
| nicolae_ | oh, doesn't sound good :) | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | so let's talk a little about the message security work | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | #topic Message Queue Security | 18:12 |
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| bdpayne | There's a very active email thread in -dev this morning | 18:12 |
| bdpayne | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007916.html | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | this is a proposal from Red Hat | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | there was also a proposal by erindisch at the summit | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | arg.. that's ewindisch | 18:13 |
| bdpayne | I do agree with the notion that we should probably, as a community, decide on a single good path | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | any thoughts? | 18:14 |
| harlowja | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/thread.html#7916 also for the full thread | 18:14 |
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| harlowja | bdpayne i'd like to reach a comprimse of sorts, since i believe there won't be a 1 ideal solution, but that doesn't mean we can't agree on something :-p | 18:14 |
| bdpayne | ewindisch what is your take? I haven't had a chance to read the full thread | 18:15 |
| ewindisch | The shared key solution is much more architecturally heavy, and the RedHat guys seem to gloss over that, imho. Basically, they suggest we take convenience over security, in some cases. | 18:15 |
| ewindisch | and if we remove the convenience for more security, we get more architecturally heavy. | 18:15 |
| ewindisch | that isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I feel they're a bit unwilling to admit it, at any rate. | 18:16 |
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| bdpayne | ok, fair point | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | I feel like shared keys doesn't scale as well, which is basically what you're saying | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | and cloud is really all about scale | 18:16 |
| bdpayne | people are often scared of pki, but it has many benefits | 18:16 |
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| harlowja | a dev on our side had an interesting idea, about putting the control network in a vpn, securing that vpn, then leaving the rest of the stuff intact (and only opening the public url endpoints), but maybe thats different/not related | 18:17 |
| bdpayne | well, I would encourage people to chime in on the Red Hat thread | 18:17 |
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| ewindisch | harlowja: I honestly think that is a different concern altogether. | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | that's not a bad idea, but it solves a different set of security problems | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | yeah, that | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:18 |
| harlowja | ya, it sounded neat, haha | 18:18 |
| bdpayne | also, ewindisch is your stuff available as a blueprint atm? | 18:18 |
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| ewindisch | bdpayne: very roughly. It doesn't have details. It should. | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | given today's email thread, I wonder if it is time to flush it out | 18:19 |
| ewindisch | I can take an AI to update the blueprint with a more concrete proposal | 18:19 |
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| bdpayne | and then have a discussion about pros and cons of each | 18:20 |
| harlowja | i'd like that, i trust ewindisch with security more than i trust myself ;) | 18:20 |
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| bdpayne | ewindisch I'm happy to help you out, if that's useful | 18:20 |
| harlowja | maybe nsavin u can help also | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | just drop me a line | 18:20 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: I'd appreciate it. | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | groovy | 18:20 |
| bdpayne | ok, I have one more topic to discuss | 18:21 |
| bdpayne | #topic OpenStack Security Configuration Guide | 18:21 |
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| bdpayne | so this is coming together but there are still some details to finalize | 18:21 |
| harlowja | cool | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | keith would have the latest, but I can give some updates | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | basically, we are still looking for June | 18:22 |
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| bdpayne | the facilitator we wanted has a conflict with the first week in June | 18:22 |
| bdpayne | so we are looking for either a difference facilitator, or a different week | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | so that's in flux a bit | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | location appears to be out in Maryland | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | participation is at around 10 people or so | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | I'd love to got some more OpenStack specific people | 18:23 |
| bdpayne | which is to say we have a lot of security folks with a medium amount of OpenStack experience | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | I'd like to complement that with OpenStack people that have a medium amount of security experience (or more) | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | hopefully we'll have 2-3 more people that can be involved | 18:24 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: are you seeking volunteers, recommendations? | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | commitment would be a full week out in Maryland sometime in June (likely 1st or 3rd week) | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | seeking volunteers atm | 18:24 |
| bdpayne | sorry, I'm not selling it well enough | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | :-) | 18:25 |
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| harlowja | lol | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | anyway, if you're interested, then drop me a line | 18:25 |
| ewindisch | bdpayne: I'd have to check on time availability, but I'm interested. | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | and I'll continue with more updates on this for future meetings | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | ewindisch sounds good, I think you'd be an assest | 18:25 |
| ewindisch | at any rate, I'm fairly local. | 18:25 |
| bdpayne | or asset, as the case may be | 18:26 |
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| harlowja | hmmm, i'll chat with y! people here | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | sounds great, thanks harlowja | 18:26 |
| harlowja | can maybe volunteer one of them, haha | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | #topic Open Discussion | 18:26 |
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| bdpayne | anything else for today? | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | (we normally just run til 18030 | 18:26 |
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| harlowja | live migration stuff, i can sumarrize what i remember | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | *1830 | 18:26 |
| bdpayne | ok | 18:26 |
| harlowja | i remember stuff like, can we have an intermediary give those keys out for only the duration of live migration (aka a orchestration layer) or can we eliminate the sharing of those keys entirely via some other mechanism (orchestration layer possibly establishing a secure tunnel for the live migration and telling the compute nodes to use said tunnel...).... | 18:27 |
| Randy_Perryman | Need to read the list and find your Information on the Security Document | 18:27 |
| harlowja | some kind of intermediary that connects the hypervisors for the duration of the live migration (And resize operation) | 18:27 |
| harlowja | i think it came up in https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaUnifyMigrateAndLiveMigrate but nothing documented there | 18:27 |
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| harlowja | i can fire an email to the main dev thread, asking if we should at least document it somewhere | 18:28 |
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| bdpayne | ok, thanks for the details there… certainly worth collecting more info | 18:28 |
| harlowja | def, i know at least at y! we don't want hypervisors talking to each other, so live migration is sorta hard in that case :-p | 18:29 |
| harlowja | but an intermediary aiding that process might be acceptable | 18:29 |
| harlowja | *hand-holding the hypervisors in a way, haha | 18:29 |
| bdpayne | interesting | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | ok, I think that's all for today | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | thanks everyone… nice to see some new faces in here | 18:30 |
| bdpayne | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 18:30:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-04-25-18.10.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-04-25-18.10.txt | 18:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-04-25-18.10.log.html | 18:30 |
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| harlowja | bdpayne: the reason for not wanting connectivity, is what happens if someone breaks out of a hypervisor, giving them those shared ssh keys would be bad :p | 18:31 |
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| harlowja | its bad enough already due to the MQ itself and such | 18:31 |
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| harlowja | likely someone could just jump on the MQ and start triggering live migrations right now, haha | 18:31 |
| harlowja | *not so awesome* | 18:31 |
| bdpayne | oh, I completely agree! | 18:32 |
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| ewindisch | harlowja: I'm wondering if the host (losing the VM) can generate a short-lived key/token, send that to the host receiving the VM, then have that host use that key/token to pull off some mechanism. | 18:32 |
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| ewindisch | you'd need some transport mechanism that understands this and can be easily manipulated for the short-lived access control mechanism. | 18:33 |
| ewindisch | (SSH is not a good solution here) | 18:33 |
| ewindisch | "lots of MQ messages!" | 18:34 |
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| harlowja | ewindisch: i agree, something like that is needed, some kind of 'session' key or something, that is only valid for a certain amount of time for which live migration can be allowed to 'work' | 19:34 |
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| dansmith | it's meetin' tam! | 21:01 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 25 21:01:24 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
| russellb | Howdy! | 21:01 |
| russellb | who's here? | 21:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | -o/ | 21:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:01 |
| morganfainberg | o/ | 21:01 |
| dripton | hi | 21:01 |
| cyeoh | Hi | 21:01 |
| russellb | people! | 21:01 |
| * Vek tries to decide... | 21:01 | |
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| harlowja | me | 21:02 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:02 |
| russellb | #topic havana blueprints | 21:02 |
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| morganfainberg | I'm virtually here (at best) :P | 21:02 |
| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007788.html | 21:02 |
| russellb | I posted that message earlier this week, please take a moment to read it if you haven't | 21:02 |
| cburgess_ | presnet | 21:02 |
| mikal | Morning | 21:02 |
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| russellb | The most important thing at this point in the cycle is that we get a roadmap put in place | 21:02 |
| devananda | \o | 21:03 |
| russellb | you can find the roadmap in progress here: | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/havana | 21:03 |
| russellb | So, if there's something you plan to work on, please file a blueprint | 21:03 |
| russellb | or multiple blueprints if it's complex enough to need to be broken up into stages | 21:03 |
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| harlowja | alot of stuff is still up for discussion isn't it? especially the orchestration/conductor pieces... | 21:03 |
| russellb | to get it on the havana roadmap, you will need to set the assignee, propose it for havana, and select a milestone that you feel is realistic for when you can have it completed | 21:04 |
| russellb | harlowja: yes, lots will be under discussion, we just need to take our best shot at a roadmap | 21:04 |
| harlowja | ok, roadmap seems hard when its still under discussion :-p | 21:04 |
| harlowja | but ok | 21:04 |
| russellb | the reason we do all this is to communicate amongst ourselves, as well as to the larger community what it is we're working on | 21:04 |
| sdague | yeh, the starting point should be all the stuff which has concensus | 21:04 |
| dansmith | russellb: so for the migration cleanup and the object stuff, I'm happy to go off and file those blueprints now, if that's cool | 21:04 |
| russellb | lots of blueprints are filed but not on the roadmap, those are the ones in flux a bit, and that's ok | 21:04 |
| russellb | dansmith: yes please do | 21:05 |
| dansmith | I was waiting until today for some undefined and silly reason, I guess | 21:05 |
| sdague | which I think there is a lot from summit, so best to take russellb's approach and get that all in | 21:05 |
| mikal | I'm on vacation this week, I'll catch up with mine next week | 21:05 |
| russellb | mikal: sounds good | 21:05 |
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| russellb | my goal is to have a good first cut at this done in about 1.5 weeks from now | 21:05 |
| russellb | a couple other comments on the blueprint process ... | 21:05 |
| cburgess_ | dansmith: Is the migration one for the general cleanup and unifying all the migration code stuff and cleaning up evactuate etc? | 21:06 |
| russellb | at the end of the release cycle, the blueprint list is effectively our feature list, and what we use to build release notes | 21:06 |
| russellb | as you are reviewing, please be looking for feature patches without a blueprint, and ask for one to be filed | 21:06 |
| dansmith | cburgess_: yeah, and unifying all of that to conductor, as we discussed | 21:06 |
| harlowja | dansmith: please can we finish discussion on that before it suddenly appears | 21:06 |
| russellb | another review thing ... when reviewing patches that have a blueprint, please make sure it is on the roadmap before approving | 21:07 |
| dansmith | harlowja: appearing as a placeholder can happen before we hash out all the details | 21:07 |
| harlowja | ok | 21:07 |
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| russellb | if something needs to be ACKed for the roadmap, you can ask me, or anyone on nova-drivers | 21:07 |
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| russellb | and it can either be approved, or they may ask for a discussion to make sure there is concensus on the ML first | 21:07 |
| harlowja | sounds good | 21:08 |
| russellb | ok, that's all my notes on blueprint process. any questions on the process? also feel free to discuss specific blueprints if you'd like. | 21:08 |
| russellb | we can also discuss them in open discussion at the end. | 21:08 |
| boris-42 | hi all | 21:08 |
| sdague | rmk and vishy were looking various nova-network => mutnauq upgrade things, any idea if either of them are going to put in something for deprecating nova-network? | 21:08 |
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| russellb | sdague: that's a good point, we need something for that. | 21:09 |
| dansmith | long live nova-network! | 21:09 |
| russellb | sdague: it's unclear what code work is needed ... it's basically "figure out the migration path" | 21:09 |
| sdague | yeh, true, though I imagine some of that upgrade code will need to be in tree | 21:10 |
| russellb | yep | 21:10 |
| sdague | but it's worth not loosing as a thing | 21:10 |
| russellb | i'll add that to my notes for something to chase down | 21:10 |
| mikal | Yeah, its likely they'll need to configure multiple API endpoints for example | 21:10 |
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| russellb | agreed | 21:10 |
| rmk | sdague: I think that may have been cburgess actually | 21:10 |
| rmk | and hi yes I am here | 21:10 |
| sdague | rmk: ok, it was day 4, so I was a little fuzzy by then :) | 21:10 |
| russellb | one of the problems is that no one person has taken clear ownership over this effort | 21:10 |
| rmk | sdague: no worries, I was a zombie too by then | 21:11 |
| russellb | a few people volunteered to do some necessary research | 21:11 |
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| russellb | so maybe i'll take it for now, at least to track who is researching what | 21:11 |
| russellb | and keep it moving | 21:11 |
| vishy | russellb: I think you could consider me+garyk as the owners | 21:11 |
| russellb | vishy: ok that would be awesome | 21:11 |
| russellb | vishy: i'll file a nova blueprint and set you as the assignee (since we can have only one) | 21:12 |
| senhuang | vishy: do you have any update on the blue print to coordinate the schedulign of nova and cinder using current rpc mechanism? | 21:12 |
| russellb | vishy: do you want to file a blueprint for it? | 21:12 |
| russellb | vishy: not sure what we'd call it ... perhaps it's just deprecate-nova-network, and it's just whatever we need to complete to feel good about doing that | 21:12 |
| harlowja | senhuang: i'd like to see that also, or maybe u can create one? | 21:13 |
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| senhuang | harlowja: i have one for unified resource placement module, which is more like a centralized approach that sits on top of nova and cinder | 21:14 |
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| harlowja | senhuang: so there u go, how can we make that start to appear :-p | 21:14 |
| russellb | ok, let's cover a few other topics, then we can come back to specific blueprints at the end | 21:14 |
| russellb | #topic feature patch proposal deadline | 21:14 |
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| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007823.html | 21:14 |
| russellb | I put out this proposal on the list earlier this week | 21:14 |
| russellb | basically if we're going to reject patches for coming in too late, i want to communicate that clearly ahead of time | 21:15 |
| harlowja | that seems to be ok with me | 21:15 |
| russellb | i picked a date out of the air, which was 2 weeks ahead of the official feature freeze | 21:15 |
| sdague | I think it's a good call | 21:15 |
| dansmith | +1000 | 21:15 |
| sdague | +1 | 21:15 |
| senhuang | +1 | 21:15 |
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| morganfainberg | +1 | 21:15 |
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| cburgess_ | +1 FIrm dates are great we can all work toward that and plan. | 21:15 |
| cyeoh | +1 | 21:15 |
| boris-42 | +1 | 21:15 |
| russellb | ok cool. | 21:15 |
| russellb | it would be good to record your support on the ML thread | 21:15 |
| harlowja | sure | 21:15 |
| dansmith | russellb: gee, I think that has enough support | 21:16 |
| dripton | I didn't know Dan got a thousand votes. | 21:16 |
| harlowja | just might want to be some wording when this happens to not piss people off, haha | 21:16 |
| russellb | if anyone has an objection let me know ... otherwise I'll work on making sure it's communicated effectively | 21:16 |
| russellb | harlowja: well that's why i'm trying to establish it as early as possible, so it's not a surprise ... unless it's your fault for not paying attention | 21:16 |
| dansmith | dripton: as you know, a bunch of +1's don't add up to a +2 :) | 21:17 |
| harlowja | russellb: agreed | 21:17 |
| sdague | dripton: it's binary, so it's only 8 votes | 21:17 |
| russellb | dansmith: aw, harsh man, they do to me, depending on who the +1s are from :) | 21:17 |
| morganfainberg | sdague: lol | 21:17 |
| dansmith | sdague: nice | 21:17 |
| dansmith | russellb: heh, well, I was trying to downplay my obvious over-vote for that, given that everyone else only allocated +1 for it :) | 21:18 |
| russellb | alright, next topic, maybe we can finally disagree on something | 21:18 |
| russellb | #topic baremetal split | 21:18 |
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| russellb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-April/007979.html | 21:18 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BaremetalSplitRationale | 21:18 |
| harlowja | drum roll | 21:19 |
| harlowja | nm, ha | 21:19 |
| russellb | please review that, ponder it, and make your opinion known if you have one | 21:19 |
| rmk | I don't even know what this is yet but yes | 21:19 |
| russellb | yeah, it was just posted today | 21:19 |
| russellb | so people need time to review it | 21:19 |
| russellb | but i wanted to make sure awareness was raised. | 21:19 |
| russellb | devananda: ^ | 21:19 |
| rmk | honestly bare metal doesn't fit well at all in nova | 21:19 |
| devananda | yep, thanks | 21:19 |
| devananda | i believe it's still waiting moderation on the -tc list, too | 21:19 |
| russellb | OpenStack Bare Metal (Ironic) | 21:19 |
| mikal | russellb: does a split count as a new incubation request for the TC? | 21:19 |
| russellb | i'm a fan of the codename. | 21:19 |
| russellb | mikal: yes, it will be a TC issue to consider | 21:19 |
| dansmith | I've already said this, but I'm +1 on the Ironic proposal | 21:19 |
| morganfainberg | i'd say in the current way baremetal works, it would be good to move it out of nova into it's own project. | 21:20 |
| russellb | mikal: but I'd like to drive more broad consensus before the TC votes on it or anything | 21:20 |
| devananda | mikal: as far as i've been told, this would bypass incubation and follow the same path Cinder took | 21:20 |
| harlowja | me to, it will be interesting to see how it plays out, hopefully good in the end | 21:20 |
| morganfainberg | russellb: agreed on the code name. | 21:20 |
| rmk | The name I'm impartial to but +as_many_as_possible to splitting it out | 21:20 |
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| rmk | The use case is just so vastly different than dealing with VMs | 21:20 |
| devananda | mikal: since the code's already in a core project | 21:20 |
| russellb | but what we *don't* want is for this to be seen as a fast track method to being an incubated project | 21:21 |
| rmk | aside from being cleaner, it gives the project a much better chance of success since it'll be able to adapt to vastly different bare metal needs | 21:21 |
| russellb | as in, instead of starting off on your own, try to grow in an existing project and split off, because it's easier/quicker | 21:21 |
| devananda | russellb: indeed | 21:21 |
| senhuang | devananda: will this bare metal project also support one VM is spawned on the bare metal and possesses all the resources exclusively? | 21:21 |
| russellb | rmk: yeah, agreed, i'm pretty sold on the idea | 21:21 |
| rmk | russellb: It seems to me this was more a result of discovering that it didn't fit well than anything intentional | 21:21 |
| russellb | rmk: oh sure, not accusing that here, i'm just worried about precedent, and abuse of the pattern elsewhere | 21:22 |
| devananda | senhuang: i'm not sure i follow your question, but i think the answer is yes, it already does | 21:22 |
| dansmith | rmk: I'm skeptical of that devananda guy and his intentions | 21:22 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:22 |
| rmk | dansmith: totally | 21:22 |
| devananda | :) | 21:22 |
| rmk | he's pretty sketchy | 21:22 |
| dansmith | long hair and everything | 21:22 |
| sdague | heh | 21:22 |
| mikal | I think it can't hurt to run it quickly through the TC, and perhaps truncate the incubation process | 21:22 |
| morganfainberg | russellb: as long as it's clear the reason for the split, i think it shouldn't become a pattern. | 21:22 |
| mikal | dansmith: he also bites his dogs! | 21:22 |
| sdague | yeh, well during the review cycle it was clear it fit oddly | 21:22 |
| dansmith | mikal: *gasp* | 21:23 |
| rmk | it's probably easier to figure out if anyone objects to this | 21:23 |
| russellb | i think i saw him with a trench coat on, too | 21:23 |
| rmk | because it seems like we couldn't possibly be in more agreement | 21:23 |
| russellb | which can't be good | 21:23 |
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| devananda | senhuang: take a look at https://github.com/tripleo/incubator/blob/master/README.md and see if that answers some of your questions. it's a special case for baremetal | 21:23 |
| senhuang | devananda: okay. cool. thanks! | 21:23 |
| russellb | yep, so everyone here seems happy with it ... please continue comments on list | 21:23 |
| devananda | mikal: only when necessary! | 21:23 |
| russellb | even +1s on the list are quite helpful to showing consensus | 21:23 |
| russellb | anything else on bare metal? | 21:24 |
| harlowja | devananda: are the ntt people working with u, might be useful to have there advice, since they are likely using the code that exists and might know more about the migration path? | 21:24 |
| devananda | harlowja: very little | 21:24 |
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| russellb | we would have to go through a deprecation path for this | 21:24 |
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| harlowja | devananda: hmmm, interesting | 21:24 |
| russellb | just like any other drastic change like this ... a deprecation cycle, migration path | 21:24 |
| devananda | since they handed the project to us iat the grizzly sumit, they've been pretty quiet | 21:25 |
| devananda | arata sends in patches and bug fixes often | 21:25 |
| sdague | devananda: it would be nice to try to draw them in on the new effort | 21:25 |
| devananda | and the ISI folks added tilera/pdu support right after FF ended | 21:25 |
| russellb | yep, that landed for havana | 21:25 |
| devananda | sdague: indeed. mikyung was in the session when we talked about this | 21:25 |
| devananda | and didn't voice any objection | 21:25 |
| devananda | which is about as much assent as i have gotten from them :) | 21:26 |
| harlowja | ya, wonder if they can provide more input, since my guess is ntt, isi are using it more than at least y! is | 21:26 |
| harlowja | so there feedback would seem pretty valueable if u can draw said feedback out of them | 21:26 |
| devananda | i'll try to ping them directly // off list and see | 21:26 |
| russellb | ok cool, one more quick topic, then we can go to open discussion | 21:27 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:27 |
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| senhuang | we also have usage for it in some dev/ops. one comment I got from them is that it would be nice to have a common api to provision bare metal and vm.. | 21:27 |
| russellb | let's not let all this fun future work let us forget about bugs :) | 21:27 |
| russellb | #link http://webnumbr.com/untouched-nova-bugs | 21:27 |
| russellb | 34 untriaged bugs right now | 21:27 |
| russellb | not *terrible*, but we should be watching, as we probably have bug reports coming in as people try out grizzly | 21:27 |
| senhuang | russllb: could you response to my comment on but https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1049249 | 21:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1049249 in nova "Remove plugging of internal classes from configuration" [High,Confirmed] | 21:28 |
| russellb | *everyone* can help with triage, if you're not sure how, see this page: | 21:28 |
| russellb | #link http://webnumbr.com/untouched-nova-bugs | 21:28 |
| russellb | senhuang: i guess it's valid as long as that option exists | 21:29 |
| russellb | senhuang: the compromise/solution has been moving things to entrypoints with short names | 21:29 |
| senhuang | russellb: okay. i probably need more guide on this bug.. | 21:29 |
| russellb | so it'll still be pluggable, technically, but not so obviously directly exposed in the config file | 21:29 |
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| russellb | any other bug comments or questions? | 21:30 |
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| russellb | if we all triage just a couple this week, we'll be in much better shape (that goes for most weeks, really ..) | 21:30 |
| boris-42 | yes | 21:30 |
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| boris-42 | should I report bug for each race condition? | 21:30 |
| boris-42 | before adding UC? | 21:30 |
| harlowja | more races, eck :( | 21:31 |
| boris-42 | less races=) | 21:31 |
| morganfainberg | russellb: the URL link form webnumbr shows only one bug? am I misunderstanding the function of that link? | 21:31 |
| russellb | morganfainberg: it showed 34 for me? | 21:31 |
| harlowja | boris-42: the glass is half-full, good attitude | 21:31 |
| sdague | boris-42: you've got a blueprint for all the UC stuff though right? | 21:31 |
| sdague | I'd just use that | 21:31 |
| russellb | agreed, the bp is fine ... | 21:31 |
| russellb | technically you can associate bugs to a blueprint | 21:31 |
| russellb | but ... no need to create extra work unnecessarily | 21:32 |
| sdague | yeh, but I think the bp is fine, the uc work is a well known quantity | 21:32 |
| russellb | if you *want* to create bugs, it's fine with me, but you don't have to | 21:32 |
| * russellb nods | 21:32 | |
| morganfainberg | russellb: something off in my web-browser then. *shrug* | 21:32 |
| dripton | morganfainberg: it shows 38 for me, but only displays one of them due to windowing. Says "1 of 38" | 21:32 |
| morganfainberg | dripton: i think it's an extension going dumb on my browser. | 21:32 |
| harlowja | boris-42: has there been any thought on the races that are at a level above the DB? | 21:32 |
| harlowja | read/write/modify types | 21:32 |
| russellb | you can also look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:33 |
| russellb | not quite the same, but close enough | 21:33 |
| boris-42 | russellb what do you prefer adding bugs or not for races?) I just don't now is there any reason for spamming bug tracker?) | 21:33 |
| russellb | just use the bp | 21:33 |
| boris-42 | russellb ok | 21:34 |
| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:34 |
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| devananda | harlowja: afaik, no one's really looking at those races above db/api -- except for quotas | 21:34 |
| harlowja | devananda: durn | 21:34 |
| devananda | harlowja: if you have some in mind, please open bug reports and tag with 'db' | 21:34 |
| boris-42 | harlowja I think that there is also a lot of races=) | 21:34 |
| harlowja | kk, i have a few, do orphaned resources count | 21:34 |
| harlowja | boris-42: 100% agreed | 21:34 |
| sdague | yeh, even better is tests | 21:34 |
| russellb | yay tests. | 21:35 |
| boris-42 | <3 tests | 21:35 |
| sdague | then we can keep them from showing up again | 21:35 |
| boris-42 | Btw I have some question about pci devices... | 21:35 |
| boris-42 | There is already about 4 BP for that! | 21:36 |
| boris-42 | One task but 4 BP =) | 21:36 |
| russellb | yes that area is a bit of a mess | 21:36 |
| russellb | a good example of what happens when people don't talk enough | 21:37 |
| boris-42 | probably we should chose one of that | 21:37 |
| russellb | yeah. | 21:37 |
| boris-42 | There is also problems with USB | 21:37 |
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| boris-42 | if we are using host dev pci passthrough in libvirt | 21:37 |
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| harlowja | sdague agreed on tests, but if u just look at pieces of the nova code, u can spot these things, but maybe its just my mindset | 21:37 |
| boris-42 | then we are able to passthrough only USB controllers | 21:37 |
| senhuang | I have a question on the nova's api extension | 21:37 |
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| harlowja | oh thats a good one, senhuang what happened to the nova extension refactoring effort thingy | 21:38 |
| sdague | harlowja: then bring tests to the table that demonstrate it | 21:38 |
| boris-42 | We should make a little bit different operation for USBs | 21:38 |
| harlowja | sdague: sounds good :) | 21:38 |
| harlowja | challenge accepted :-p | 21:38 |
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| senhuang | harlowja: i am still researching on how to do api extension for nova | 21:38 |
| russellb | boris-42: i think you're on the right track by going back and documenting your design | 21:39 |
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| russellb | boris-42: then hopefully everyone interested can discuss if it meets their requirements | 21:39 |
| russellb | boris-42: and the people most involved with the libvirt driver can provide feedback as well | 21:39 |
| russellb | boris-42: then we can move forward | 21:39 |
| harlowja | senhuang: just in general how to do them, or how to make the api extension mechanism easier? | 21:39 |
| cyeoh | re: API extension framework I'd appreciate any feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/27276/ - would like to get that moving soon as we can't really do much v3 API work until at least some basic support is in. | 21:39 |
| harlowja | for the later i thought there was https://etherpad.openstack.org/NovaAPIExtensionFramework | 21:39 |
| senhuang | harlowja: on general how to do it | 21:39 |
| harlowja | ya, with chris | 21:39 |
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| morganfainberg | cyeoh: i'll look it over today/tomorrow and give you feedback | 21:40 |
| harlowja | senhuang: i can try to help, its not so clear | 21:40 |
| boris-42 | russellb Yes I am working on it, so there should be some changes in my approach to provide PCI passthrough and USB passthrough in one common approach=) | 21:40 |
| senhuang | harlowja: that is pretty cool! thanks | 21:40 |
| cyeoh | morganfainberg: thanks! | 21:40 |
| harlowja | senhuang: ya cyeoh just pointed that out | 21:40 |
| russellb | boris-42: ok | 21:40 |
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| senhuang | cyeoh: that is awesome. i will look at it | 21:41 |
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| russellb | any other topics for the day? | 21:42 |
| russellb | please ping me anytime over the next week if you need assistance getting blueprints in shape | 21:42 |
| senhuang | any one have time to take at look at this blue print? | 21:42 |
| senhuang | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/unified-rpm | 21:43 |
| boris-42 | btw is there some info about no downtime migrations? | 21:43 |
| russellb | boris-42: i wasn't in that session, so not sure what was discussed | 21:43 |
| devananda | a lot was discussed about versioned db objects | 21:43 |
| harlowja | russellb: i'd like to hear how conductor can become something like orchestration, or understand at least from a design perspective how, just so i can accomodate it in my wiki and blueprints and such | 21:44 |
| devananda | IMO, that led to being able to do no-downtime-db-upgrades | 21:44 |
| russellb | senhuang: yeah, i saw that one ... it seems like there's not clear consensus on how to approach that problem yet. | 21:44 |
| devananda | or no downtime service upgrades for all services, including db and conductor | 21:44 |
| devananda | so, are there any BP up for versioned db objects? | 21:44 |
| senhuang | russellb: maybe we could first provide a well-defined api extension and achieve consensus on the api? | 21:45 |
| russellb | harlowja: I started talking about this on a thread on the ML today. I feel like we've got some work combining code paths for migrate/live-migrate/resize/evacuate, and part of that will be moving it to conductor. that's the first step here. | 21:45 |
| harlowja | how does moving it to conductor work? | 21:45 |
| russellb | senhuang: has there been a ML thread on this? | 21:45 |
| dansmith | devananda: well, we're focused on internal objects first, | 21:45 |
| senhuang | russellb: not yet | 21:45 |
| dansmith | devananda: then versioning those and isolating schema changes along with that | 21:45 |
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| harlowja | russellb: i hear lots of moving to conductor but never have seen how it would get there or even if it makes sense there, shouldn't that be part of the discussion? | 21:45 |
| dansmith | devananda: I think we don't expect to really hit the big versioning parts until post-H, realistically | 21:45 |
| russellb | senhuang: ok, that's where we need to discuss it basically. I think having a proposal for what the API would look like would aid that discussion. | 21:45 |
| senhuang | russellb: i am in discussions with garyk on the api | 21:45 |
| devananda | dansmith: yes. i mean, is that plan written up anywhere? | 21:46 |
| russellb | senhuang: but it's not clear that there is even agreement that it should be a new separate thing, so we need to work through that. | 21:46 |
| dansmith | devananda: the internal objects one? | 21:46 |
| dansmith | devananda: I just filed a blueprint, and we talked about it on IRC a bit, but I need to fill out the blueprint with more details yet | 21:46 |
| devananda | dansmith: i could see maybe 3 BPs covering internal versioned objects, then rpc forwards/backwards compat, then db stuff | 21:46 |
| russellb | harlowja: it has been discussed a whole bunch, and we had a session dedicated to cleaning up these code paths where we discussed it further. | 21:46 |
| devananda | dansmith: ack | 21:46 |
| harlowja | russellb: where's the docs on how that will be done? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | devananda: yeah, I've got three now, actually, almost exactly like that.. still need to make the deps between then and fill out the details | 21:47 |
| sdague | senhuang: things like that really need to get to general concensus on the mailing list first | 21:47 |
| devananda | dansmith: great :) | 21:47 |
| devananda | boris-42: ^ | 21:47 |
| senhuang | russellb: that is true. i think i still need to provide more details | 21:47 |
| russellb | senhuang: ok, sounds good | 21:47 |
| senhuang | sdague: yep. that is probably a good idea | 21:47 |
| harlowja | russellb: can u possible re-explain to me how said stuff fits in the conductor | 21:47 |
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| devananda | russellb: on the conductor-does-evacuate stuff, i'd like Heat considered in that situation too | 21:48 |
| harlowja | devananda: me too, or at least a common library for this stuff | 21:48 |
| harlowja | which nova uses | 21:48 |
| devananda | russellb: as in, if there's an auto scaling group, how that'll be impacted by conductor doing things automagically | 21:48 |
| sdague | devananda: you realize "evacuate" isn't what it sounds like, right? :) | 21:48 |
| harlowja | we shouldn't keep on reimplementing custom workflows | 21:48 |
| russellb | devananda: sure. note that we're *not* talking about doing anything automatically | 21:48 |
| devananda | russellb: ahh. didn't realize that :) | 21:48 |
| russellb | nothing automagic, all triggered from the outside like it si now | 21:49 |
| dansmith | devananda: I don't want conductor doing automagic stuff, btw | 21:49 |
| devananda | sdague: i /think/ i know what it does | 21:49 |
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| russellb | this is just about turning a bunch of separate code paths doing much of the same thing into common code where it makes sense | 21:49 |
| dansmith | devananda: I want heat doing all the orchestration of failover type stuff from the outside entirely | 21:49 |
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| russellb | and also, in the cases of migration and such, we have compute nodes telling each other what to do | 21:49 |
| devananda | dansmith: ++ | 21:49 |
| russellb | we don't want any compute nodes telling any other compute nodes what to do at all | 21:49 |
| sdague | devananda: the current "evacuate" action restarts vms that were on a machine that it toast | 21:49 |
| russellb | so the solution is to move most of the processing up a layer | 21:49 |
| devananda | sdague: cool. that's what i thought | 21:49 |
| harlowja | russellb: so thats great, but thats not explaining how conductor will do it, thats just explaining the general principle right, how does conductor change to be said thing, especially when i am planning something that can do said tasks also, likely something that will use this heat library | 21:50 |
| russellb | harlowja: dude, chill | 21:50 |
| russellb | :) | 21:50 |
| harlowja | trying, just i don't get it :-p | 21:50 |
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| russellb | harlowja: i think more formal state tracking is good, but we need a place for it to plug in cleanly, and we don't have that yet | 21:50 |
| senhuang | i agree on the general principles :-) | 21:50 |
| russellb | so this code cleanup is step 1 | 21:50 |
| harlowja | confused, isn't making the foundation correct step #1? | 21:51 |
| russellb | have to look at the steps it will take to get to where you want to go, and i really believe these are the first steps | 21:51 |
| harlowja | then moving said code cleanup onto said foundation | 21:51 |
| russellb | we have to do it in logical steps, not an enormous patch set that rewrites everything | 21:51 |
| russellb | i understand what you want, and i think we can get there | 21:52 |
| harlowja | isn't that possible with a good foundation? | 21:52 |
| sdague | harlowja: it seemed pretty clear in the room that it was a pretty good incremental cleanup | 21:52 |
| russellb | ... in stages | 21:52 |
| harlowja | i still think it can be done in stages, with a good common library first though, not secondary :-p | 21:52 |
| sdague | I really think it's unrelated to orchestration | 21:52 |
| harlowja | sdague: how so? | 21:52 |
| sdague | harlowja: hey, nothing prevents you from proposing alternative incremental code | 21:52 |
| harlowja | sdague: and thats where its a waste of time to do | 21:53 |
| russellb | true :) | 21:53 |
| russellb | so here's the thing ... | 21:53 |
| russellb | we have code | 21:53 |
| russellb | a whole bunch of it | 21:53 |
| russellb | we want to do some cleanup, combining, and slight restructuring of that code as an incremental step | 21:53 |
| sdague | but I think rehashing consolodating the migration paths isn't very useful, because it's a huge win | 21:53 |
| sdague | from a verification stand point especially, as right now the whole live migrate path isn't testing at all in gate | 21:54 |
| sdague | which is the suck | 21:54 |
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| sdague | but at the end of the day, code talks. bring something more clean, and more useful to the table, and it will be evaluated. | 21:55 |
| dansmith | everyone interested in doing the work for the unified migrations path seems to be in agreement, | 21:55 |
| dansmith | so I don't think we really have a problem here | 21:55 |
| harlowja | sdague: i have code for the foundation of this, haha | 21:55 |
| russellb | would be good to see it on the list | 21:56 |
| russellb | i don't think i have seen it yet | 21:56 |
| dansmith | harlowja: propose it and we'll handle it in gerrit | 21:56 |
| harlowja | it was shown in the summit :) | 21:56 |
| sdague | dude, I have piles of code :) that doesn't mean it's more useful for openstack in all situations. | 21:56 |
| russellb | yeah, but lots of people weren't at the summit | 21:56 |
| russellb | i also had a session conflict (rpc stuff, and i'm one of the few maintainers of that code) | 21:56 |
| harlowja | ok, will send that out again | 21:57 |
| russellb | k | 21:57 |
| dansmith | I have to run | 21:57 |
| russellb | anything else? just a few minutes left in our time. | 21:57 |
| russellb | k, later dansmith | 21:57 |
| harlowja | just i'd like to really understand clearly how the future of conductor fits into the plans, even incrementally | 21:57 |
| russellb | i honestly am not sure how to better explain it | 21:57 |
| harlowja | write it down? | 21:58 |
| harlowja | draw pictures? | 21:58 |
| russellb | we can continue out-of-meeting | 21:58 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 21:58 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 21:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 25 21:58:41 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-04-25-21.01.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-04-25-21.01.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-04-25-21.01.log.html | 21:58 |
| sdague | thanks russellb | 21:58 |
| senhuang | thanks, guys | 21:59 |
| senhuang | bye | 21:59 |
| harlowja | russellb: so i'd like to see something like https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:New-arch.png but for say how the conductor would fit in | 21:59 |
| boris-42 | thanks, bye | 21:59 |
| harlowja | how it would work for that run_instance path | 21:59 |
| harlowja | that would be useful to me, and i think many others | 21:59 |
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| harlowja | and then maybe some documentation on what that makes better, scale, stabilitiy...? | 22:00 |
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| russellb | harlowja: let's move to #openstack-nova | 22:01 |
| harlowja | kk | 22:01 |
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