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envyddHi whats the status of baremetal in Grizzly18:10
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NachiHi!18:58
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salv-orlandoNachi: did you check if this room is free?18:59
nati_ueno_ah not yet18:59
mesterywe could use openstack-meeting-alt if needed, right?18:59
nati_ueno_mestery: yes18:59
nati_ueno_salv-orlando: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings it looks friday is free18:59
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nati_ueno_so all attendee is already here?19:01
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mesterynatio_ueno_: Here19:01
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salv-orlandook cool. Nachi, have you multiplied yourself?19:01
nati_ueno:)  my IRC client is poor19:01
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Nachioh my nick is changed again..19:03
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nati_uenoOK anyway let's get started19:04
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nati_uenosalv-orlando: do you know how to save logs?19:05
salv-orlando#startmeeting quantum-vpn19:05
openstackMeeting started Fri Apr  5 19:05:23 2013 UTC.  The chair is salv-orlando. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:05
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:05
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: quantum-vpn)"19:05
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'quantum_vpn'19:05
nati_uenosalv-orlando: thanks19:05
salv-orlandoI don't know if this starts the log too however19:05
salv-orlandoit should… but… don't trust me!19:05
nati_uenomay be :)19:05
nati_uenoI'll also copy and paste logs19:06
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nati_ueno#topic [Agenda0] Share definitions19:06
nati_uenoI wrote some terms of definitions. Is this OK for you guys?19:06
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nati_ueno#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaVPNaaS19:06
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salv-orlandowell, it was logging even before that: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2013-04-05.log19:07
salv-orlandobut this should give us also the minutes19:07
nati_uenosalv-orlando: nice!19:07
mesterynanti_ueno: Thanks for writing that etherpad up, reading through parts of it now.19:07
nati_uenomestery: :)19:07
nati_uenoIs Swaminathan here?19:08
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nati_uenoah he looks trying to connect IRC19:08
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Nachitest from webchat19:10
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nati_uenohm webchat looks working19:10
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salv-orlandonati_ueno: have you summarised the agenda somewhere? It might be me but it seems a bit cluttered now on the etherpad19:10
nati_uenosalv-orlando: yes https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaVPNaaS L4019:10
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salv-orlandook looks good.19:12
nati_uenoOK I'll proxy etherpad and IRC for Swaminathan19:13
salv-orlandocan you start with an overview of the use cases?19:14
salv-orlandojust the 30,000 high ft view19:14
nati_uenosalv-orlando: so you wanna discuss about usecase before sharing definitions?19:14
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salv-orlandoif you want to start with terminology I'm fine either19:15
salv-orlandoactually as long as we start,I'm ok with it :)19:15
nati_uenoOK the usecase also using the terminology, so let's discuss terminology first19:15
nati_uenoQuantum Router  - Quantum Router defined by Quantum V2.0 API19:16
nati_uenoQuantum Network - Quantum Network defined by Quantum V2.0 API19:16
nati_uenoQuantum Subnet - Quantum Subnet defined by Quantum V2.0 API19:16
nati_uenoThis three is OK?19:16
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mesteryThose look good, yes.19:16
nati_uenoVPN Site - One exsting network which is connected via Network19:16
mesteryDo you mean "connected via Quantum Network" here?19:17
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nati_uenono any network19:17
mesteryOK19:17
nati_uenomay be it should be via any VPN method19:17
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nati_uenoI updated the def19:18
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mesteryOK, I think that is a bit clearer19:18
nati_uenoNote: Swan added Remote Users in the definition19:18
nati_uenokk19:18
nati_uenoVPN Site Group - a set of VPN Site19:18
nati_uenoL3 Connection - Network is reachable via L3 layer19:19
nati_uenoL2 Connection - Network is reachable via L2 layer19:19
nati_uenoHub - Spoke Model -  Spoke site can connect to the Hub site. but spoke to spoke connection is prohibited19:19
nati_uenoRemote Clients - Remote Users who uses the VPN Network19:19
nati_uenoOK no problem for defs?19:19
nati_uenoPlease feel free to add new terms19:19
nati_uenoCan we go usecase ?19:19
mesteryThose all look good to me.19:20
sthakkarseems ok19:20
nati_uenook19:20
nati_ueno#topic [Agenda1]  Identify unique use cases from various proposals (SSL/IPSEC/MPLS or other)19:20
sthakkarsure i think narrowing those down will be important in priorizing19:20
nati_uenoso I summarize use case for three19:20
nati_uenoUse case [ Router to VPN Site ]19:20
nati_uenoUse case2 [ Network to VPN Site ]19:20
nati_uenoUse case3 [Deffrent teant]19:21
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nati_uenoOn 1.  Use case [ Router to VPN Site ]19:21
nati_uenoWe will connect quantum router to VPN site19:21
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nati_ueno      Assumption; All site is owned by single tenant19:21
nati_ueno      Router and VPN Site is connected by L3 connection19:21
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nati_uenoThere is some variation19:22
nati_ueno      1-1. Connect Quantum Router to One VPN site19:22
nati_ueno      1-2 . Connect Quantum Router to the multiple VPN Site19:22
nati_ueno      1-2-1  both direction19:22
nati_ueno       1-2-2  hub and spoke model19:22
nati_uenoand routing19:22
nati_ueno      1-3.  Static route between connected Site  (may be combination of 1-1,1-2,)19:22
nati_ueno      1.4.  Dynamic routing between connected Site  (may be combination of 1-1,1-219:22
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nati_uenoUsecase 1 is clear for you guys?19:22
sthakkaris that in priority. i think the use case is fine19:22
mesteryLooks good to me too.19:22
nati_uenoOK let's discuss priority after we share the usecases19:23
nati_uenook 2. Use case2 [ Network to VPN Site ]19:23
sthakkarfair enough19:23
nati_uenoConnect Quantum Network to VPN Site directry by L2 connection19:23
nati_uenoUse case2 is OK?19:23
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nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:23 Looks good for me as well19:24
salv-orlandouse case 2 is an extension of a broadcast domain?19:24
mesterysalv-orlando: Effectively it would have to be I think.19:24
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mesterySince it's L2, it implies the same broadcast domain I think.19:24
nati_uenosalv-orlando: is there any any variation?19:25
salv-orlandonope, just want to make sure it was not a different kind of site-2-site19:25
ywucase 1 is L3 VPN, case 2 is L2 VPN, am I understand correctly?19:25
nati_uenoywu: yes19:25
nati_uenoso if we wanna connect quantum network to vpn directory. I should be L219:25
nati_uenobut if there are the other way, I'll add usecase under the usecase219:26
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nati_uenos/I should be L2/it should be L2/19:26
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:24 Is Use case 2 similar to a Cloud Bridge19:26
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nati_uenoSwaminathan: what's a Cloud Bridge ?19:27
salv-orlandolike the company verizon bought19:27
nati_uenosalv-orlando: thanks19:27
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nati_uenoOK usecase2 is OK for you guys?19:27
salv-orlandoa layer-2 bridge between on premise network and a network in the cloud19:27
salv-orlandoit's ok for me19:27
nati_uenosalv-orlando: aha kind of EVPN service19:27
nati_ueno3. Use case3 [Deffrent teant]19:28
nati_uenosorry typo19:28
nati_ueno. Use case3 [Deffrent tenant]19:28
nati_uenoso usecase 3 may be combined by usecase1 and 219:28
nati_uenodifference is19:28
nati_uenothe resources are owned by different tenant19:29
nati_uenoWe should discuss permission model on usecase319:29
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nati_uenoOK usecase3 is oK?19:29
mesterySo use case 3 is letting networks from different tenants connect?19:30
nati_uenomestery: yes19:30
sthakkari think rbac will be a separate discussion from the base object model thought, right?19:30
sthakkar*though19:30
salv-orlandorbac is always orthogonal19:30
nati_uenosthakkar: yeah, but we should identify rbac is needed or not via Usecase discussion19:30
salv-orlandoat least for quantum API - the API police will enforce this through havana release cycle19:31
sthakkarnati_ueno: sure that seems fair. i think maybe we nail down the obj model and then attach rbac to each obj in the model as appropriate19:31
salv-orlandosounds good19:32
nati_uenogood19:32
nati_uenoOK let's prioritize usecases19:32
nati_uenoI think all bp is on Use case119:32
sthakkaryep, simpler if we separate the two for now19:32
sthakkarok sounds good19:32
nati_uenoso IMO priority is Use case1  -> Use case2 -> Usecase 319:33
nati_uenois this fair?19:33
mesteryI agree with that prioritization.19:33
nati_uenoOk let's sort sub usecases19:33
nati_uenoIMO, simple usecase get more high priorities19:33
nati_uenoah I didn't describe sub usecases yet19:34
nati_uenolet's me explain19:34
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nati_ueno1-1. Connect Quantum Router to One VPN site19:34
salv-orlando#info attendees agree with following priority: use case 1, use case 2, use case 319:34
nati_uenothis is one to one connection between router and one vpn site19:34
nati_uenoquite simple19:34
nati_ueno   1-2 . Connect Quantum Router to the VPN Site Group19:35
nati_uenoone to many connection19:35
nati_ueno 1-3.  Static route between connected Site  (may be combination of 1-1,1-2,)19:35
nati_uenostatic routing version19:35
nati_ueno 1.4.  Dynamic routing between connected Site  (may be combination of 1-1,1-219:35
nati_uenoIMO priority is 1-1,1-2,1-3,1-419:35
nati_uenosimple to complex19:36
nati_uenoIs this fair?19:36
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:36 My priority will be 1-1,1-3,1-2,1-419:36
mesterymakes sense from an implementation perspective19:37
nati_uenokk19:37
nati_uenoOK how about 1-1,1-3,1-2,1-4 ?19:37
nati_uenoif this is ok, I'll sort usecases19:37
mesteryI think as long as 1-1 is first we're good.19:37
sthakkarisnt 1-2 a prereq for 3?19:37
nati_uenosthakkar: one site may have muliple subnet19:38
nati_uenosthakkar: I'll update defs19:38
nati_uenodone19:38
sthakkarkk19:38
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:38 I don't think there is a dependency of 1-2 for 1-319:38
nati_uenoOK I'll sort usecase19:39
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salv-orlandonati_ueno: I have a trivial question here. Is the quantum router itself an endpoint for the VPN in your view?19:39
nati_uenosalv-orlando: Impl could be different, but we will connect router resource and some vpn on the resource model19:40
salv-orlandothanks. I am not talking about implementation, but about the resource model exposed to the user.19:40
salv-orlandothrough the quantum API. So there would be a VPN resource, wouldn't it?19:41
nati_uenosalv-orlando: IMO, we should discuss the modeling after we agreed usecase19:41
salv-orlandoI do apologise for asking trivial question, my only purpose is to avoid ambiguity at all costs.19:41
salv-orlandolet's move ahead then19:41
nati_uenosalv-orlando: kk19:41
nati_uenoso usecases are all ok for you guys?19:41
nati_uenoSwaminathan added Remote Clients19:42
nati_uenoon the defs19:42
nati_uenoHow this related with usecases?19:42
ywusounds good to me.19:42
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nati_uenoI feel we should add usecase for the term19:42
nati_uenoIMO, any user can connect to the VPN Site, can connect the quantum router if the vpn site and quantum router is connected19:43
nati_uenobut there could be more advanced usecase19:43
salv-orlandoIt's probably best to ask Swaminathan as he's probably be envisioning a different situation.19:43
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:43 We have not discussed use cases were remote warriors connect to the cloud using the vpn client19:44
nati_uenoAlan K:12:43 I think we should take that at the end19:44
nati_uenoAlan K:12:43 For now i think we figure out how to fullfill the use cases we have outlined19:44
nati_uenoSwaminathan: Ah so it is not site-site connection19:44
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salv-orlandoI agree with Alan K19:44
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:44 ok, I am fine with that, we will discuss that at the end19:44
nati_uenobut how we prioriteze the new usecase?19:45
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nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:45 Priority for remote users would be 1-419:46
nati_uenoOK I added19:46
nati_ueno4. Use case4  Client to the Router19:46
nati_uenoremote warriors connect to the cloud using the vpn client19:46
nati_uenoOK usecase is all set?19:46
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nati_uenoIt sounds Ok19:46
nati_ueno#topic [Agenda2]  Possible generization of VPN related api19:47
nati_uenoOK let's model the usecase we agreed19:47
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nati_uenosalv-orlando: It looks you have some idea, and you are lead of quantum api19:47
salv-orlandoI don't have any strong opinion yet19:48
nati_uenosalv-orlando: could you add your modeing on the etherpad?19:48
nati_uenosalv-orlando: ah ok19:48
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:48 I have modeled API based off of the Loadbalancer approach.19:48
nati_uenoAlan K:12:48 reason for this is HA support. I would in the use cases just go with VPN19:48
salv-orlandoI think we are at a very early stage to discuss API proposal - we can just provide general directions for the model19:48
nati_uenosalv-orlando: I agree19:48
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sthakkaryea salv and i have discussed one of the models19:49
nati_uenoAlan K:12:48 so i will put it another way, VPN does not need to be terminated on an L-3 service19:49
sthakkarperhaps we follow the same as lb for the mount points?19:49
nati_uenounnamed:12:49 Alan, in user case 2, it is a L2VPN, it may address your concern19:49
nati_uenoOK at least we should model VPN site19:50
nati_uenoand the connection between router and vpn site19:50
nati_ueno(usecase1-1)19:50
salv-orlando#info the VPN use case does not need to be terminated on L3 service19:50
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:50 Please take a look at my blueprint and I have captured the API19:50
nati_uenoAlan K:12:50 not really. I think we should be careful here. VPN is a service. whether that requires L-2 or L-3 is another matter. both will be used imho19:50
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nati_uenoSwaminathan :could you add your idea about modeling on the etherpad?19:51
salv-orlandoAlan K: this would a difference between router-level or network-level plugging. Both should be allowed.19:51
nati_uenoAlan K:12:50 ok i will look at your API this evening19:51
nati_uenoAlan K:12:51 but if you look at the API i submitted its a good started for a "Core API" for VPN services19:51
nati_uenoAlan K:12:51 but for sure we can add to that19:52
nati_uenoywu:12:51 where could I find your API, Alan? thx19:52
nati_uenoSwaminathan Vasudevan(HP):12:52 Before we discuss the API, can we discuss the data model and then come to the API to configure the data model19:52
salv-orlandonati_ueno: if you have more people on the hangout then IRC, just invite us there19:52
salv-orlandothis is starting to get a bit awkward19:52
mesteryYes, agree with salv-orlando.19:52
nati_uenosalv-orlando: yeah, let's move to the etherpad19:53
mesteryA meeting on the etherpad seems odd, unsure why folks can't get on IRC.19:53
mesteryOK, odd though it may be, headed over there ...19:53
nati_uenome too for unsure the reason..19:53
salv-orlandook, I'll switch to ether pad fwiw19:53
nati_ueno#info discussion is continued on https://etherpad.openstack.org/HavanaVPNaaS19:53
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nati_ueno#endmeeting quantum-vpn19:53
sthakkarlol fine19:54
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