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| alexpilotti | hi guys | 15:02 |
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| alexpilotti | who's around today for the Hyper-V meeting? | 15:02 |
| pnavarro | I'm here alexpilotti | 15:03 |
| alexpilotti | looks like we'll have a quite fast meting :-) | 15:03 |
| pnavarro | hehehe | 15:03 |
| alexpilotti | #startmeeting hyper-v | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 15:04:12 2013 UTC. The chair is alexpilotti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hyper_v' | 15:04 |
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| alexpilotti | #topic Grizzly tests | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grizzly tests (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 15:04 | |
| alexpilotti | Not having a CI infrastructure in place yet, we need to rely to massive testing before the release | 15:05 |
| alexpilotti | and it looks like this is the time to do it :-) | 15:05 |
| alexpilotti | I guess that the call for testers didn't attract too many people today :-D | 15:05 |
| pnavarro | do you have news about the chinese guys who were having issues with storage? | 15:05 |
| alexpilotti | nope | 15:06 |
| alexpilotti | I'm going to ping him to see what's going on | 15:06 |
| alexpilotti | well I guess we can move on, lol | 15:06 |
| pnavarro | hehe | 15:06 |
| pnavarro | +1 | 15:07 |
| alexpilotti | lol | 15:07 |
| alexpilotti | #topic Windows Cloud-Init | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Windows Cloud-Init (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 15:07 | |
| alexpilotti | plenty of new features here | 15:07 |
| alexpilotti | Including partition resize | 15:07 |
| alexpilotti | based e.g. on the flavor | 15:07 |
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| alexpilotti | when cloud-init starts it looks for empty storage extents and extents the adjacent partitions | 15:08 |
| alexpilotti | the cool part is that it works on 2003's system partitions as well (diskpart doesn't for example) | 15:08 |
| alexpilotti | 100% writte in Python, no external tools | 15:08 |
| pnavarro | cool bits ! | 15:09 |
| alexpilotti | Another feature is sysprep integration | 15:09 |
| alexpilotti | now the installer executes sysprep automatically at the end of the setup | 15:09 |
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| alexpilotti | more EC2 bits have been contributed by Mirantis | 15:09 |
| alexpilotti | so compatibility with Essex improved a lot | 15:10 |
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| alexpilotti | Ok, moving on :-) | 15:11 |
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| pnavarro | hehe ! | 15:11 |
| alexpilotti | #topic General discussion | 15:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General discussion (Meeting topic: hyper-v)" | 15:11 | |
| pnavarro | so the design session has been approved? | 15:11 |
| alexpilotti | preapproved afaik | 15:11 |
| alexpilotti | let me check the status of the others | 15:12 |
| alexpilotti | looks like 20-30% are scheduled | 15:12 |
| alexpilotti | all the others are preapproved | 15:12 |
| alexpilotti | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 15:12 |
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| alexpilotti | plus a huge bunch of unreviewed or refused | 15:13 |
| alexpilotti | with this amount of sessions we'll need a 6 months summit, not release cycle, lol | 15:14 |
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| pnavarro | jaja ! | 15:14 |
| alexpilotti | Changing subject | 15:14 |
| alexpilotti | added Qpid support in the Nova Compute installer | 15:15 |
| alexpilotti | in the interface as well | 15:15 |
| alexpilotti | plus a bunch of default values for resize | 15:15 |
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| alexpilotti | running_deleted_instance_action, running_deleted_instance_poll_interval, resize_confirm_window | 15:15 |
| alexpilotti | and: resume_guests_state_on_host_boot | 15:15 |
| alexpilotti | we're almost done with the Dashboard as well | 15:16 |
| pnavarro | you mean, RDP ? | 15:16 |
| alexpilotti | yep | 15:16 |
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| pnavarro | nice, I'm looking forward to looking at it ! | 15:17 |
| alexpilotti | the only issue is that we are using some private Nova APIs | 15:17 |
| ociuhandu | Hi all :) Sorry to be late :) | 15:17 |
| alexpilotti | lol | 15:17 |
| alexpilotti | the meeting room is overflowing! | 15:17 |
| alexpilotti | so we discussed about adding a public HTTP API to validate the nova-consoleauth token | 15:18 |
| ociuhandu | well, with 199 members … ;) | 15:18 |
| alexpilotti | we'll discuss this at the Summit in the Nova design sessions | 15:19 |
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| alexpilotti | alright, anything to add guys? | 15:19 |
| pnavarro | nopes | 15:19 |
| * alexpilotti is eyeing a BigMac, which is meant be a late lunch :-) | 15:20 | |
| hanrahat | make that an egg mcmuffin for me :-) | 15:20 |
| alexpilotti | lol, unfortunately we don't have many choices at the office today | 15:21 |
| alexpilotti | ok guys, if there are no more topis, we can end the meeting | 15:22 |
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| alexpilotti | Great, looking forward for the release this week! | 15:23 |
| alexpilotti | #endmeeting | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 15:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 15:23:22 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-04-02-15.04.html | 15:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-04-02-15.04.txt | 15:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hyper_v/2013/hyper_v.2013-04-02-15.04.log.html | 15:23 |
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| alexpilotti | pnavarro: when are you going / leaving from Portland? | 15:23 |
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| EstevaoHessHP_ | Hello everyone, For clients changes, is it also needed bluepirnts? | 17:49 |
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| stevemar | keystone time? | 18:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
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| spzala | Hi! | 18:01 |
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| topol | HI | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | hi | 18:01 |
| dolphm | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 18:01:58 2013 UTC. The chair is dolphm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| dolphm | #topic RC3 | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC3 (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
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| dolphm | we cut RC3 this morning with the db engine/connectionpool issue fixed, along with termie's patch to v3 auth | 18:02 |
| dolphm | we have two more days in grizzly but it looks like RC3 will ship as grizzly unaltered (no RC4) | 18:03 |
| dolphm | basically anything else triggering a new RC has to be a critical issue | 18:03 |
| topol | congrats!!! | 18:03 |
| ayoung | Keysteon! | 18:03 |
| ayoung | Keystone! | 18:03 |
| bknudson | did you consider this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/+bug/1161633 | 18:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161633 in tempest "V3 token fails with KeyError 'expires'" [Undecided,In progress] | 18:03 |
| dolphm | grats everyone :) | 18:03 |
| dolphm | bknudson: clients are not held to the release cycle | 18:04 |
| bknudson | ok | 18:04 |
| dolphm | bknudson: we can push a new version anytime, and will be doing so soon | 18:04 |
| dolphm | that's my next priority before the summit | 18:04 |
| EstevaoHessHP_ | #info Hello everyone, For clients changes, is it also needed bluepirnts? | 18:04 |
| dolphm | EstevaoHessHP_: it's a looser process, but yes, we have blueprints for keystoneclient | 18:04 |
| dolphm | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-keystoneclient/ | 18:04 |
| ayoung | dolphm, did you "global engine everywhere" patch pave the way for doing in memory sqlite for all of the tests? | 18:04 |
| dolphm | ayoung: yeah, that was the original goal | 18:05 |
| EstevaoHessHP_ | Thanks Dolphm | 18:05 |
| dolphm | #topic State of LDAP in Grizzly | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "State of LDAP in Grizzly (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:05 | |
| dolphm | so, i don't have that much insight into ldap proceedings / what's lacking / etc | 18:05 |
| bknudson | is anyone planning to use the LDAP backend? | 18:05 |
| dolphm | so i was hoping our ldap crew could chime in? | 18:05 |
| ayoung | bknudson, UI would expect so | 18:06 |
| dolphm | bknudson: absolutely | 18:06 |
| ayoung | aside from the amount of work CERN did early in the release on AD issues for LDAP | 18:06 |
| ayoung | we have a significant effort from the IBMers on making LDAP a first class citizen Id Provider | 18:06 |
| spzala | I have code up for review for roles grant to ldap group #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25329/ | 18:06 |
| dolphm | i'm primarily asking because any problems need to be reflected in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#Known_Issues_5 | 18:06 |
| henrynash | topol, comment? | 18:06 |
| bknudson | are we going to provide migrations for anyone using LDAP in G to H? | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | spzala, that is ready to go? | 18:07 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I think we are going to have to | 18:07 |
| ayoung | at a minimum, for p[eople using the default schemas | 18:07 |
| spzala | ayoung: Yes, I think so. | 18:07 |
| dolphm | bknudson: yes | 18:07 |
| topol | so doing double duty, slow to respond. but if necesary we should provide migrations | 18:07 |
| spzala | ayoung: I tested with ldap live test and that went well. | 18:07 |
| ayoung | bknudson, the way we are doing domains for Grizzly is under review, and will most likely change in H | 18:08 |
| dolphm | a document, if not an automated approach | 18:08 |
| ayoung | spzala, looking at Roles patch now | 18:08 |
| spzala | ayoung: cool. Thanks! | 18:08 |
| dolphm | with rc3, could a havana ldap deployment use v3? or would you need to remove ldap from the pipeline? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | spzala, BTW, I am not going to recommend holding up the release for it, but we can certainly try to get it backported to Grizzly Stable. | 18:09 |
| dolphm | or is it only new grizzly features that aren't implemented (grant role to user on domain?) | 18:09 |
| spzala | ayoung: I have also added in today's agenda about possible redesign approach for ldap domain in Havana. | 18:09 |
| dolphm | ayoung: it's far too late for new features to land in grizzly | 18:09 |
| ayoung | dolphm, oh, yeah | 18:09 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so here's the short on the Havana Domains thing | 18:10 |
| spzala | ayoung: OK, that sounds great to me. | 18:10 |
| ayoung | right now, domain is an attribute on just about everything | 18:10 |
| ayoung | and the attribute we are using is...suspect... | 18:10 |
| ayoung | it is a misappropriation | 18:10 |
| ayoung | but domains indicate a higher level of separation anyway | 18:11 |
| ayoung | and the LDAP way is for each domain to be in their own subtree. | 18:11 |
| spzala | ayoung: we have businessCategory for domain_id attribute. | 18:11 |
| ayoung | so, for a single domain deploy, G and H will look roughly the same | 18:11 |
| ayoung | fo a G deploy with two domains, we will have to port one of them to a separate subtree | 18:11 |
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| ayoung | spzala, yep. | 18:11 |
| dolphm | ayoung: is that an issue with grizzly, or is that just a non-ideal compared to the plans for havana? | 18:12 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, this is the plan for Havana | 18:12 |
| ayoung | in grizzly, we use the attribute | 18:12 |
| dolphm | ayoung: for now, i need to know what won't work in grizzly w/ ldap :) | 18:12 |
| ayoung | and we will need a migration plan for havana | 18:12 |
| spzala | ayoung: yes, about domain specific sub tree, that's what I have tried to have in design for which I have a etherpad link later in the agenda. | 18:12 |
| dolphm | the rest is summit-speak :) | 18:12 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yep, I've moved on. Unless there are fires to put out, I'm not Hunting Grizzlye's anymore | 18:13 |
| dolphm | spzala: can you summarize what was implemented here and add it to known issues for grizzly? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25329/ | 18:13 |
| dolphm | spzala: assuming it poses a blocker for a grizzly deploy, and it's not a forward-looking feature add | 18:13 |
| spzala | dolphm: sure. So this one is mainly granting the role to the ldap groups | 18:14 |
| dolphm | so what i want to confirm: v3 + ldap in grizzly has feature parity with v2 + ldap in folsom, correct? | 18:15 |
| spzala | dolphm: also I tried to have generic grant for groups and uses as it was designed in the tests | 18:15 |
| dolphm | just want to make sure we haven't moved backwards | 18:15 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it limits grizzly/ldap usability, but does not completely destroy it. It would be sad to be missing, and I would argue for putting it into Grizzly stable, but it should not block the release | 18:15 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm not opposed to seeing that argument | 18:15 |
| spzala | dolphm: agree with ayoung. | 18:16 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I don't think we are missing anything that was in V2 LDAP in Folsom/ | 18:16 |
| dolphm | ayoung: spzala: bknudson: henrynash: topol: (and anyone else) if ya'll want to make enough noise to see that patch backported, do it on the mailing list, but you're facing very low adds at this point | 18:16 |
| dolphm | ayoung: thanks | 18:16 |
| dolphm | #topic Review, revise & amend Keystone's release notes | 18:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review, revise & amend Keystone's release notes (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:16 | |
| dolphm | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.29 | 18:17 |
| bknudson | on this topic, sdague posted to openstack-dev ... | 18:17 |
| bknudson | sdague: currious what the expected upgrade path is for keystone folsom users is, as the keystone folsom config doesn't seem to work at all with grizzly code | 18:17 |
| dolphm | we already touched on this, but go revise release notes :) | 18:17 |
| dolphm | i'm sure there are upgrade issues and new features i didn't capture | 18:17 |
| dolphm | so add what you worked on! | 18:17 |
| dolphm | make sure people know about all our goodness | 18:18 |
| dolphm | and related.... | 18:18 |
| bknudson | sdague didn't say what the problems were. | 18:18 |
| dolphm | #topic Grizzly Documentation | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grizzly Documentation (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:18 | |
| dolphm | openstack-manuals needs some love -- everyone should take a pass through everything keystone related and make sure everything is up to date and that we're not documenting deprecated options, etc | 18:18 |
| dolphm | #topic Design summit sessions | 18:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Design summit sessions (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:19 | |
| dolphm | #link http://summit.openstack.org/ | 18:19 |
| bknudson | what's the schedule for the documentation? | 18:19 |
| bknudson | does it have to be done at the same time as release? | 18:19 |
| dolphm | bknudson: we have about a month window until docs open for havana | 18:19 |
| dolphm | i'm happy to hear proponents & opponents of seeing any given session on the agenda | 18:20 |
| bknudson | dolphm: thanks... I might have some time at the end of the month. | 18:20 |
| ayoung | So..I have a scheduled session on FreeIPA integration that is in the security track | 18:20 |
| ayoung | and I am unsure what the state of it is | 18:20 |
| ayoung | As it shows up on the schedule | 18:21 |
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| dolphm | my primary goals in scheduling sessions is simply that there will be an engaging discussion with a useful conclusion impacting the future of keystone dev in havana | 18:21 |
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| henrynash | dolphm: so I updated http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/157 as requested | 18:21 |
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| dolphm | henrynash: i haven't reviewed yet, but thank you :) | 18:21 |
| ayoung | Or at least it was... | 18:21 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: where are you looking? | 18:22 |
| dolphm | i haven't pushed anything to the schedule yet | 18:22 |
| dolphm | nor scheduled anything | 18:22 |
| ayoung | dolphm, just got a link from our PR person that was tracking it...one sec | 18:22 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it happend before you, but maybe it got nixed | 18:22 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i think ttx reset some scheduling stuff when he opened it for final scheduling | 18:22 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm not clear on the details of what happens after the review process | 18:23 |
| ayoung | http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/event/02841e3d64620e15b861db63628735bd#.UVsiBeOuI95 | 18:23 |
| ayoung | But maybe that session is now orphaned. | 18:23 |
| dolphm | ayoung: the primary issue with your that session is that it's about how to integrate a tool with openstack, and doesn't concern the development of keystone in havana | 18:23 |
| ayoung | Ah...it is scheduled at the same time as a Keystone session, but it is not in the Keystone track | 18:24 |
| ayoung | dolphm, right...so here is my thinking | 18:24 |
| dolphm | ayoung: final schedule will be settled on April 9th, i'm not sure what sched.org will reflect until then | 18:24 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I'll try to get it bumped earlier, so people don't have to choose between Keystone and Security tracks | 18:24 |
| ayoung | basically, it ties in with the technology overview | 18:25 |
| ayoung | it is easier to say FreeIPA than to say | 18:25 |
| ayoung | Kerberos, LDAP, X509 and DNS | 18:25 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there's definitely a track for such sessions that would be a better fit than keystone, but i'm not sure what that would be (there's workshops at every summit, but i don't know what they fall under) | 18:25 |
| joesavak | o/ sorry i'm late | 18:26 |
| dolphm | joesavak: o/ | 18:26 |
| ayoung | And if affects components beyond just what Keystone does. For example, looking at securing the Database connections for multiple Keystones talking to one DB | 18:26 |
| dolphm | this was a late submission by nsavin -- http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/239 | 18:26 |
| dolphm | (nsavin -- i assume you're not here?) | 18:26 |
| ayoung | dolphm, merge with HATEOAS? | 18:27 |
| dolphm | i'm happy to see an architecture discussion, but there's no precedence for needing such a session -- this is out of the blue | 18:28 |
| dolphm | ayoung: there's a HATEOS session? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dolphm, so the thing about the FreeIPA talk is it ties in with the other talks about security technologies. | 18:28 |
| ayoung | dolphm, it is on today's agneda | 18:28 |
| ayoung | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting | 18:28 |
| dolphm | known issues for summit? | 18:29 |
| ayoung | yes | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | no session was proposed on the topic | 18:29 |
| ayoung | just that the SOA and HATEOAS subjects both address organization of the URLS and resources under Keystone. | 18:29 |
| dolphm | ah | 18:29 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yeah. We can do a session on it, but we seemed to be full up | 18:29 |
| dolphm | ayoung: we're well over | 18:30 |
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| ayoung | I was OK with continuing the discussion in IRC/mail, as I think that it is sufficient to address | 18:30 |
| dolphm | need to cut at least 3 session at this point | 18:30 |
| ayoung | we can also have some casual talks between developers over it, but no need to steal an hour for it | 18:30 |
| ayoung | I've posted my WIP to get things rolling, and that should suffice, I would think | 18:30 |
| dolphm | ayoung: to do -- summit sessions are intended to hash stuff out that has proven to be difficult to discuss/design over email, irc, etc | 18:31 |
| dolphm | i'd like to have a regular "keystone unconference" for the days leading up to our track | 18:31 |
| ayoung | dolphm, +2 | 18:31 |
| dolphm | just open floor for a couple days | 18:32 |
| joesavak | +1 | 18:32 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I think the single largest issue we should address is how to move beyond bearer tokens. The rest is implementation details | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | LDAP support def needs people to come together to voice their requirments | 18:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: agree, that's a bit of dwaite's session and (as i understand) henrynash's session on generic auth | 18:33 |
| dolphm | i assume oauth2 will be the topic of conversation for both those sessions, unless there's a strong argument for another contender | 18:33 |
| ayoung | dolphm, there are two sides. One is using a mechanism that is not yet part of Keystone, but the other is what to do about the current token architecture. | 18:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, oauth1, not 2, if termie has anything to say about it...and I think I agree with him on that | 18:34 |
| dolphm | ah, i'm not familiar with the differences | 18:34 |
| ayoung | but that is delegation, which doesn't address the fact that current tokens are bearer tokens | 18:34 |
| dwaite | I am hoping that there is enough overlap that maintaining the current token architecture is not a headache | 18:34 |
| dolphm | and i'm honestly not sure which i've used | 18:34 |
| topol | why oaut1 instead of oauth2. I believe oauth2 is getting good traction | 18:35 |
| stevemar | ayoung: +1, that is what i've been been reading about | 18:35 |
| ayoung | topol, that needs to be an unconference brawl...er..discussion | 18:35 |
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| dolphm | "Many services such as Facebook, Github, and Google have already deployed OAuth 2 servers, and deployed implementations win." -dwaite's session http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/07/29/1/oauth2-simplified | 18:35 |
| ayoung | or something | 18:35 |
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| dwaite | I'd be up for a gentleman's brawl! | 18:36 |
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| dolphm | the summit should be a brawl, i hope that's clear to everyone | 18:36 |
| dwaite | or nerf guns at 20 paces | 18:36 |
| zykes- | dolphm: what about OpenID Connect ? | 18:36 |
| topol | warren zevon song??? send lawyers, guns and money.. | 18:36 |
| dwaite | zykes-: what about OpenID Connect in particular? | 18:36 |
| ayoung | dolphm, as I have learned, we ignore termie at our peril. He stated something to the effect that 2 is not a valid replacement for 1....lets just make sure we get on the same page as far as delegation goes | 18:36 |
| dolphm | powerpoint slides and polite clapping shouldn't be expected | 18:37 |
| ayoung | I personally want to do the foam-rubber larp type sword fighting thing myself | 18:37 |
| zykes- | dwaite: nothing in particular | 18:37 |
| dolphm | zykes-: dwaite: was openid included/excluded from your talk? if excluded, reason why? | 18:37 |
| ayoung | There are a slew of standards to consider | 18:37 |
| dwaite | openid 1/2, yes. Openid connect, no. | 18:37 |
| ayoung | I think they fall into two camps: enterprise and web. | 18:38 |
| dwaite | I would like to cover it, but I'm trying to reduce scope so there is discussion/brawling time | 18:38 |
| ayoung | On the enterprise side is the technologies I'm addressing in the FreeIPA session. On the Web side we have dwaite 's session | 18:38 |
| dolphm | ayoung: +1 on the "let's make sure" | 18:38 |
| ayoung | oauth 1,2 SAML, openid, and so on | 18:39 |
| dwaite | I am btw very disappointed the Free IPA site does not have a form where I can submit my details to receive beer at no cost | 18:39 |
| henrynash | i'd have thought the key thing for us is to agree how we modify keystone to allow the various studs to be supported/plugged in by those who require the, | 18:39 |
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| joesavak | 1: Saml, 2: OAuth, 3: OpenID, 4: SCIM is my order | 18:39 |
| henrynash | studs? I mean standards !!!! | 18:39 |
| ayoung | We should remember that AMQP is a fundamental portion of OpenStack and that we need to support non HTTPS technologies | 18:39 |
| zykes- | joesavak: OIC then, isn't that OpenID + OAuth2 ? :) | 18:40 |
| ayoung | dwaite, no, it is Free and in Free Quid, Guvnah. | 18:40 |
| ayoung | as in | 18:40 |
| dolphm | henrynash: at the api / project integration level or in implementation? | 18:40 |
| joesavak | oauth authZ and openID authN | 18:40 |
| joesavak | authZ more important for partner use cases. ; ) | 18:40 |
| dolphm | henrynash: because implementation is for code review, although working implementations are welcome talking points at the summit | 18:40 |
| henrynash | so api/project integration must be first | 18:40 |
| dolphm | henrynash: cool | 18:40 |
| zykes- | fyi for you guys, check out: https://github.com/rohe?tab=repositories | 18:41 |
| ayoung | joesavak, so there is the perpetual session from Kent to remember as well. Closes the summit once again | 18:41 |
| dwaite | OpenID Connect is a profile on top of OAuth 2.0, if we don't get to it in sessions I'll def. unconference it | 18:41 |
| joesavak | love it. The only reason why I attend | 18:41 |
| joesavak | ;) | 18:41 |
| ayoung | http://openstacksummitfall2012.sched.org/event/23f0a08262c18dc00007fea69e97c1f2 | 18:41 |
| dwaite | I'll get an outline together for next week of the topics to better judge time | 18:41 |
| zykes- | A dude at the Umeå university of Sweden that has done alot of work on it fyi! | 18:41 |
| termie | dolphm: i requisitioned some custom tools for the summit | 18:42 |
| zykes- | better described: "Federation Lab" is a collaboration between some entities about Federation | 18:42 |
| termie | dolphm: we'll see whether they are fabricated in time | 18:42 |
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| dolphm | termie: i'm not sure i should anyone should feel comfortable with your definitions of "tools" lol | 18:43 |
| ayoung | termie, the two technologies you've brought up recently are Cassiopea [sp/] and oauth 1. Anything else that you think needs to be on the agenda? | 18:43 |
| dolphm | i or anyone should* | 18:43 |
| termie | ayoung: uhhhhh | 18:43 |
| termie | ayoung: cassandra | 18:43 |
| topol | termie, if beer is made available Im in | 18:43 |
| ayoung | right mythos, wrong damsel | 18:44 |
| joesavak | lol | 18:45 |
| ayoung | And we all know what happens to people that don't listen to Cassandra. The greeks get 'em | 18:45 |
| termie | topol AND savak | 18:45 |
| termie | it's all mispelled star trek in here | 18:45 |
| dolphm | so i know this is going to take the next 15 minutes up pretty easily... | 18:45 |
| dolphm | #topic Discussion/review request for LDAP domain design for Havana | 18:45 |
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| dolphm | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/keystone-ldap-domain-support | 18:45 |
| dolphm | (not sure who put this on the agenda?) | 18:45 |
| spzala | dolphm: I have added this in | 18:45 |
| ayoung | dolphm, I thought we covered that already | 18:45 |
| joesavak | Savak is correctly spelled star trek. | 18:46 |
| spzala | dolphm: this is about a blueprint I am working on for ldap domain support re-design | 18:46 |
| dolphm | #link https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bw37kS-ubhFMdzM5QlVCUGI5ZWc/edit?pli=1 | 18:46 |
| dolphm | did we discuss that ^ ? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | dolphm, yep | 18:46 |
| joesavak | er - n/m | 18:46 |
| topol | lets make sure. want to get it right | 18:46 |
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| spzala | thought to have it out mainly for ayoung, henry-nash and all interested parties in LDAP's feedback | 18:47 |
| ayoung | topol, this is probably not the forum for it | 18:47 |
| ayoung | I think that it is best discussed at the Summit, when we can pull in non-keystone devs with an interest in the LDAP back end | 18:47 |
| topol | ayouhng, agreed, but at least people can start looking at it in their copious spare time | 18:47 |
| ayoung | and get them to confirm/deny | 18:47 |
| topol | agreed | 18:47 |
| topol | definitely need stakeholder input from other teams | 18:48 |
| ayoung | topol, those of us that know LDAP have already discussed it, and I summarized for the rest. PLease, all feel free to ask questions. | 18:48 |
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| topol | OK good | 18:48 |
| termie | joesavak: saavik? | 18:48 |
| termie | joesavak: there's probably a savak too though, vulcans and their names | 18:49 |
| bknudson | this new design requires changes to the ldap schema? | 18:49 |
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| termie | i bet vipul is one too | 18:49 |
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| spzala | ayoung: if can please take a look at the doc and tell me that I have put it in a right way, that would be very helpful. | 18:49 |
| spzala | ayoung: so that I stay in the right direction | 18:50 |
| ayoung | bknudson, let me be specific | 18:50 |
| joesavak | can i get someone to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25298/ - RST doc changes for the old 2.0 stuff | 18:50 |
| ayoung | in this case, it requires no changes to the schema | 18:50 |
| ayoung | it does change the assumptions about the layout | 18:50 |
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| bknudson | there are ? for domain_id. | 18:50 |
| spzala | bknudson: | 18:51 |
| ayoung | and it will stop using the businessCategory attribute | 18:51 |
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| bknudson | Is this meant to match any existing LDAP deployment? | 18:51 |
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| spzala | bknudson: we have domain_id but with layout change I think it's not needed but I wanted to have it there for feedback | 18:51 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I would say that it is meant to match best practices for LDAP, so it is more likely to match an existing LDAP setup | 18:52 |
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| bknudson | why not ou=default container for the default domain rather than default domain is right under root? | 18:53 |
| topol | ayoung, other thing we should do (if not done already) is look at the LDAP support the apache ldap authorization module provides to perhaps steal some best practices from that | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | topol, good idea | 18:53 |
| dolphm | general ldap question: how much of this is configurable in keystone for deployments? what's not configurable or has very little flexibility? | 18:53 |
| bknudson | I don't think apache has projects. | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, mod_auth_ldap | 18:54 |
| spzala | bknudson: thought good idea to keep it the same way we have in originally for the default in stead of adding a 'default' in the tree | 18:54 |
| ayoung | spzala, agreed | 18:54 |
| bknudson | there's just some unique things about openstack... it has projects, which other apps don't have. | 18:54 |
| dwaite | (five minute warning) | 18:55 |
| ayoung | it is unlikely that most people are going to use multiple domains, and for those deployments, we want to keep the tree sane. However, for multiple domains, we might want to be able to specify the segment for the default domain | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I would not hard code it to 'default' | 18:55 |
| dolphm | CONF.default_domain_id? | 18:56 |
| ayoung | and, it might be that the entire DN chain is different | 18:56 |
| bknudson | ayoung: that sounds good to me, the diagram has ou=Users right under root. | 18:56 |
| ayoung | dolphm, perhaps, or perhaps we state that domains must be listed in the config file. We need a way to be able to enumerate them, | 18:56 |
| ayoung | I opened this blueprint as a placeholder | 18:57 |
| ayoung | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/json-for-ldap | 18:57 |
| ayoung | we can axe that if it is unnecessary | 18:57 |
| ayoung | I suspect that creating a domain will be an unusual activity | 18:57 |
| dolphm | ayoung: one step further, it almost makes sense to make the ldap driver an external project... | 18:58 |
| ayoung | and I am OK with inflicting a little extra pain upon domain creation for that reason | 18:58 |
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| topol | so whatever we do, we need to make sure that is a customer only has users and groups of users in their ldap we understand how we map them given they dont have domains or projects in ldap | 18:58 |
| joesavak | ayoung - we're using domains for customers | 18:58 |
| joesavak | so hopefully it's not too unusual | 18:58 |
| joesavak | or ldap domain? | 18:59 |
| ayoung | joesavak, how often do you create a new domain? Hourly, daily, monthly? | 18:59 |
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| bknudson | there was also discussion of having different backend per domain. | 18:59 |
| ayoung | If it has to be quick, then the format is going to be pretty homogenized | 18:59 |
| bknudson | so maybe need json for domains. | 18:59 |
| ayoung | bknudson, yeah, that was brought up | 18:59 |
| ayoung | I'm not sure I buy that, though | 19:00 |
| ayoung | I think the Keystone Federation approach makes a lot more sense there. | 19:00 |
| ayoung | We are at 15:00. | 19:00 |
| ayoung | dolphm, we probably need to vacate the premises | 19:01 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ah, thanks | 19:01 |
| dwaite | Quick note; the company I work for (Ping Identity) is putting on their Cloud Identity Summit again this year, this time in Napa, CA. Details at http://www.cloudidentitysummit.com | 19:01 |
| dolphm | switching to -dev! | 19:01 |
| dolphm | #endmeeting | 19:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 19:01:18 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-04-02-18.01.html | 19:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-04-02-18.01.txt | 19:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2013/keystone.2013-04-02-18.01.log.html | 19:01 |
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| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| jeblair | hello infra/ci people | 19:01 |
| fungi | howdy | 19:01 |
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| clarkb | hi | 19:01 |
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| zaro | hello | 19:01 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting | 19:02 |
| openstack | jeblair: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 19:02:19 2013 UTC. The chair is jeblair. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| jeblair | (who wrote that anyway) | 19:02 |
| fungi | crazy people | 19:02 |
| jeblair | #topic actions from last meeting | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
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| jeblair | clarkb: how's that hpcs account thing coming? | 19:03 |
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| clarkb | the account has been created. mordred has sent email requesting that it not be billed for our use. | 19:03 |
| clarkb | I recently realized that I need to check if he also requested that our quotas be increased and will do that if he hasn't done so | 19:03 |
| clarkb | once we have these two things I will add az3 to devstack gate using these credentials | 19:04 |
| jeblair | clarkb: cool, thanks... also, do we need to ask that things be enabled, like block and blob storage? | 19:04 |
| clarkb | jeblair: no, we can simply do that through the web gui which was oen of the motivations for creating a second less complicated account | 19:04 |
| jeblair | clarkb: gotcha | 19:05 |
| jeblair | fungi: i saw you say something about gerrit groups this weekend... | 19:05 |
| fungi | yep, we changed some | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/007087.html | 19:05 |
| fungi | so now the old .*-drivers groups in gerrit are renamed .*-milestone | 19:05 |
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| fungi | also i have a review in to make use of the .*-ptl groups i created... | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/25806 | 19:06 |
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| fungi | eyeballs appreciated | 19:06 |
| jeblair | fungi: cool, thanks | 19:07 |
| fungi | also if anyone wants to check behind me that i got the ptls right (went by the election results) that would also be appreciated | 19:07 |
| jeblair | #topic grenade | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grenade (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| jeblair | sdague has been doing a lot of work getting grenade in shape for running in ci | 19:08 |
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| jeblair | i've been pitching in a bit to fix up devstack-gate | 19:08 |
| sdague | I only have minor dents in my desk from my forehead hitting it | 19:09 |
| clarkb | no shrapnel? | 19:09 |
| fungi | merely flash grenades | 19:09 |
| jeblair | sdague: anything you need from me/us? | 19:09 |
| sdague | nah, all blunt trauma at this point | 19:09 |
| sdague | no, I think the gate scripts are good now | 19:09 |
| sdague | now it's just a matter of getting the projects to roll across | 19:10 |
| jeblair | okay, let me know if you want to enable non-voting jobs on the projects themselves | 19:10 |
| sdague | it's going to probably be a bit still | 19:11 |
| jeblair | ok | 19:11 |
| jeblair | #topic gearman | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | we've started testing zaro's plugin on jenkins-dev | 19:12 |
| zaro | fixing your wonderful bugs. | 19:12 |
| jeblair | yay! | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | i've also found that python-gearman doesn't seem well-suited for doing async foreground jobs with gearman | 19:12 |
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| jeblair | python-libgearman is an alternative, it's a swig wrapper around libgearman | 19:13 |
| jeblair | but it is incomplete, and doesn't currently wrap the functions that i think we need | 19:13 |
| jeblair | so i talked with the maintainer of python-libgearman.... | 19:14 |
| jeblair | mordred: hi there! | 19:14 |
| jeblair | and we think that doing a new python-libgearman using cffi would be a good idea | 19:14 |
| fungi | there's also a change pending to open firewall rules it needs on zuul | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/25583 | 19:14 |
| jeblair | i should be able to hack together enough to do hello-world pretty quickly and guage how well that's going to work out | 19:15 |
| jeblair | (and how long it would take) | 19:15 |
| jeblair | but libgearman isn't a big library so it shouldn't take long | 19:15 |
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| jeblair | and i think by doing that, we'll have a solid basis to build on that's much more compatible with the way we want to use gearman | 19:16 |
| jeblair | anyway, i'll propose a new repo for it as soon as i have something | 19:16 |
| jeblair | and once that's in place, i think the zuul integration shouldn't be very difficult | 19:17 |
| jeblair | any thoughts or anything else about gearman? | 19:17 |
| jeblair | #link https://cffi.readthedocs.org/en/release-0.5/ | 19:17 |
| zaro | i don't have anything | 19:17 |
| jeblair | that's cffi -- it seems to be a very nice new way to wrap c libs | 19:17 |
| clarkb | that doesn't look bad | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: mordred was pointing me at the callbacks section which looks particularly clean | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | he mentioned callbacks are usually the messiest part of these things | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | #topic pypi mirror / requirements | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | so that's fully in place now, i think next up is better gating jobs (clarkb has a patch), and then things we need to figure out at the summit (like stable branches) | 19:20 |
| fungi | any feel for when we should delete the old pypi.o.o vm? | 19:20 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think we can do that now. | 19:21 |
| fungi | i'll add that to my list for the evening | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | if something really bad happens, it's easy to just stick a file in the mirror directory | 19:21 |
| mordred | o/ | 19:22 |
| clarkb | my change should be good to go if I can get some reviews | 19:22 |
| jeblair | so i don't think there's anything on there we need | 19:22 |
| clarkb | (for betting gating) | 19:22 |
| fungi | we'll need a designated bookie | 19:22 |
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| jeblair | #topic baremetal testing | 19:23 |
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| pleia2 | so I've been quiet in -infra lately because I've been over in #tripleo doing testing with echohead of his baremetal stuff | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | (and sometimes we break mordred's laptop!) | 19:23 |
| jeblair | pleia2: be careful, they don't make mordred's laptop anymore | 19:23 |
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| pleia2 | we've got a few challenges there still, but I think most of them have to be tackled once echohead finishes his design decisions for his bootstrap VM | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | so that chugs along, and I could also use something else to work on now that reviewday is done, there is downtime while he fixes scripts and we go through reviews | 19:24 |
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| * mordred also spent a few minutes looking at devstack-gate caching logic inside of diskimage-builder elements ... but don't think I hav anything super useful for us yet | 19:25 | |
| clarkb | rotating logs sanely | 19:25 |
| clarkb | ^ pleia if you want something different to think about | 19:25 |
| uvirtbot | clarkb: Error: "pleia" is not a valid command. | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | mordred: great, we'll have to talk about that soon | 19:25 |
| mordred | pleia2: yes. it'll be fun | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: sure | 19:26 |
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| pleia2 | that's about it | 19:26 |
| jeblair | #topic releasing git-review | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | fungi: did that happen yet? | 19:27 |
| mordred | we're still derping on that one change | 19:28 |
| fungi | jeblair: no, though i think we can merge 21609 and 20452 now if we get a little more reviewing on them | 19:28 |
| fungi | and then release | 19:28 |
| mordred | yah. they work - there is angst over how they work | 19:28 |
| fungi | there's also mordred's flake8 addition which currently sits atop them | 19:28 |
| fungi | which has enough reviews | 19:28 |
| mordred | but I'm voting that we merge as is and take refactoring for later | 19:28 |
| fungi | and there's one more mostly cosmetic change to alter the default topic creation if anyone wants to take a look | 19:29 |
| jeblair | #topic open discussion | 19:29 |
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| mordred | ah - I like that one | 19:29 |
| fungi | so given all that, i'd like to push for tagging no later than thursday, whatever's made it in by then | 19:30 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:30 |
| fungi | and if stuff needs more edits/reviews, then it can wait for the following release | 19:30 |
| ttx | o/ | 19:30 |
| mordred | people keep asking me for stats on how busy CI is | 19:30 |
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| anteaya | today was my first day of work | 19:30 |
| jeblair | anteaya: congrats! | 19:30 |
| anteaya | so I still have a few loose ends to tie up | 19:30 |
| anteaya | jeblair: thanks | 19:31 |
| mordred | we have the great zuul status graphs, but those are for a different purpose | 19:31 |
| mordred | anteaya: congrats! | 19:31 |
| anteaya | so I will keep working on those until they are done | 19:31 |
| anteaya | mordred: thanks | 19:31 |
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| mordred | cool | 19:31 |
| jeblair | mordred: there's more data in graphite than we currently graph too | 19:31 |
| anteaya | might have to be in my spare time though, I will see how it goes | 19:31 |
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| mordred | jeblair: yeah. I figured there was ... it's just amazing how much people want numbers of stuff | 19:31 |
| clarkb | mordred: what does "How busy CI is" mean? how busy are we the people? how busy is jenkins? how granular numbers are we talking? :P | 19:32 |
| mordred | clarkb: :) | 19:32 |
| mordred | clarkb: how much activity our work enables | 19:32 |
| clarkb | I see | 19:32 |
| mordred | and how hard of a problem space are we solving | 19:32 |
| dprince | mordred: tell the bean counters to go away dude. | 19:33 |
| mordred | so things like "patches uploaded per day, tests run per day, slaves launched per day" etc | 19:33 |
| fungi | "lots" and "very" | 19:33 |
| mordred | dprince: good luck with that | 19:33 |
| dprince | mordred: or, better yet just give everyone a week off | 19:33 |
| mordred | dprince: and actually, I want to give them good numbers, because it incites them to spend more money when they're proud | 19:33 |
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| dprince | mordred: then tell them to go away. | 19:33 |
| clarkb | dprince: hahahaha | 19:33 |
| mordred | dprince: :) | 19:33 |
| clarkb | mordred: I think most of those numbers are in statsd | 19:34 |
| mordred | I believe you are right | 19:34 |
| fungi | dprince: i haven't looked lately... are the rhel6 slaves doing any better with unit tests now? | 19:34 |
| clarkb | but it may take some effort to pull them out | 19:34 |
| mordred | k. well, I may try to bug folks if I run in to problems | 19:35 |
| anteaya | I did one blog post on my person stats patches submitted and reviewed and such, folks in china went nuts for it | 19:35 |
| dprince | fungi: yep. almost done. One quantum unit test issue left I think. I'm going to try and get garyk to look into that one. | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: hah, cool | 19:35 |
| anteaya | it was funny | 19:35 |
| zaro | jeblair: so i'm a little confused about the gearman library stuff. are we going to work on libgearman or something else using cffi? | 19:35 |
| fungi | dprince: awesome. maybe right after the release we can set it voting | 19:35 |
| dprince | fungi: yep. that would be great. | 19:35 |
| jeblair | zaro: i'm going to write a new python lib that wraps libgearman using cffi | 19:36 |
| zaro | jeblair: so wrapper on top of a wrapper? | 19:36 |
| jeblair | zaro: libgearman is not a wrapper, it's a client library | 19:36 |
| zaro | ohh. i thought it was the python swig wraper of c lib. | 19:37 |
| zaro | sorry. | 19:37 |
| jeblair | zaro: that's the current python-libgearman | 19:37 |
| zaro | ok. makes sense now. | 19:37 |
| jeblair | zaro: it isn't complete, so this will be the new python-libgearman, and will ideally be more complete, and simpler, and not swig. | 19:37 |
| clarkb | not swig ++ | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | should we wrap this up? | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | oh, hoping to do another bug review next week | 19:39 |
| clarkb | mordred: might also try asking hashar and others how many jobs they run with zuul and JJB | 19:39 |
| pleia2 | after release, so we'll probably want to retarget bugs too | 19:39 |
| clarkb | mordred: transitive CI :) | 19:39 |
| clarkb | pleia2: ++ | 19:40 |
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| jeblair | thanks all! | 19:41 |
| jeblair | #endmeeting | 19:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 19:42:01 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-04-02-19.02.html | 19:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-04-02-19.02.txt | 19:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2013/infra.2013-04-02-19.02.log.html | 19:42 |
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| ttx | Who is around for the quick TC meeting ? | 20:00 |
| notmyname | here | 20:00 |
| jd__ | o/ | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| gabrielhurley | \o | 20:00 |
| ttx | dolphm, annegentle, mikal, mordred, markwash, jgriffith, vishy, sdake: around ? | 20:00 |
| vishy | hi | 20:00 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 20:01:21 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
| mikal | Good morning | 20:01 |
| ttx | Should be extremely short. | 20:01 |
| annegentle | o/ | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Ols members, meet new mebers, and vice-versa | 20:01 |
| annegentle | welcome! | 20:01 |
| ttx | #topic TC dinner during the Summit | 20:01 |
| dolphm | o/ | 20:01 |
| gabrielhurley | hi! | 20:01 |
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| mikal | Hi! | 20:01 |
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| ttx | 6 months ago in San Diego we had a TC dinner to get to know each other a little better | 20:02 |
| gabrielhurley | it was tasty | 20:02 |
| ttx | Would be great if we could have one with "most of us" again | 20:02 |
| ttx | and jay paid. | 20:02 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 | 20:02 |
| ttx | One issue is we don't have jay anymore | 20:02 |
| ttx | though we could do some emeritus membership | 20:02 |
| annegentle | and Monty paid? | 20:02 |
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| annegentle | I think | 20:03 |
| ttx | annegentle: interesting | 20:03 |
| ttx | If everyone stays on the Thursday evening, it's probably the easiest to avoid conflict (there is no late-evening party on Thursday) | 20:03 |
| ttx | Second best is probably to go with Wednesday evening, since there is "only" one party (Rackspace) going on that evening. | 20:03 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll be flying out that evening, so it'd have to be an early dinner | 20:03 |
| mikal | ttx: I can't stay that late. I fly out about 5pm Thursday IIRC. | 20:03 |
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| annegentle | I can't stay Thurs night | 20:03 |
| gabrielhurley | Wednesday++ | 20:04 |
| mikal | Heh | 20:04 |
| ttx | ok, I guess that answers my question | 20:04 |
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| vishy | yup sounds like wednesday | 20:04 |
| mordred | ttx: yeah man. I piaid | 20:04 |
| ttx | We can target early Wednesday night, and then crash the RAX party | 20:04 |
| mikal | What time is the RAX party? | 20:04 |
| mordred | why does jaypipes always get credit for stuff I do... | 20:04 |
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| ttx | mordred: awesome. | 20:04 |
| ttx | Jay probably paid ANOTHER dinner | 20:05 |
| mordred | surely | 20:05 |
| * mordred is always willing to buy food or drinks, btw | 20:05 | |
| ttx | My memories of Summit weeks is, for some reason, always fuzzy | 20:05 |
| mordred | shocking | 20:05 |
| mikal | LOL | 20:05 |
| gabrielhurley | shocking | 20:05 |
| annegentle | Rackspace party is at 6:30 Wed. | 20:05 |
| mordred | wow. what happened. there's only one party that night? | 20:05 |
| ttx | mordred: Morphlabs cancelled their party | 20:06 |
| mikal | The TC should run a party | 20:06 |
| ttx | So everyone +1 for wednesday night ? | 20:06 |
| * mordred should run a party | 20:06 | |
| mordred | yah | 20:06 |
| dolphm | +1 | 20:06 |
| jd__ | +1 | 20:06 |
| mikal | Works for me | 20:06 |
| gabrielhurley | +1 | 20:06 |
| ttx | we'll do it early so that we can join the RAX party | 20:06 |
| markmcclain | +1 | 20:07 |
| ttx | #agreed TC dinner on Wednesday early evening, place tbd | 20:07 |
| mordred | zomg. if there is only one party - I really should throw a sekrit party and hand out rave-style flyers... | 20:07 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:07 |
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| mordred | I wonder if I could expense that... | 20:07 |
| mordred | so - on a real topic: | 20:07 |
| mordred | this morning in #-infra, we were chatting about the idea of the term "programs" to refer to some of our legit things that arent' really projects and don't fit in | 20:08 |
| mordred | like docs, qa, infra/ci, security, etc | 20:08 |
| mordred | this is very nascent and needs beer and talking | 20:08 |
| mordred | but just wanted to lodge the thought in people's brainholes | 20:08 |
| annegentle | so lodged | 20:08 |
| ttx | lodged | 20:08 |
| ttx | Any other thought to lodge, anyone ? | 20:09 |
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| mordred | uhm... | 20:09 |
| ttx | Release meeting in 50min. | 20:09 |
| mikal | I don't really feel we needed to delay the GPL talk... | 20:09 |
| mordred | is there a ton we need to alk about? | 20:09 |
| mikal | It seems like we had a concensus happening on list. | 20:09 |
| dolphm | is the unconference still going to be a single untracked / scheduled by whiteboard affair? | 20:09 |
| ttx | mikal: markmc who proposed the discussion isn't around | 20:10 |
| ttx | and asked to delay it to another meeting | 20:10 |
| mordred | he's always pushing us around | 20:10 |
| mikal | ttx: yeah, I'm fine with that. I just think unless someone jumps out and shouts "surprise!" its going to be a quite short discussion. | 20:10 |
| ttx | dolphm: yes | 20:10 |
| ttx | mikal: you're new around here I see | 20:10 |
| mikal | ttx: the only nuance I have discovered is that it seems that if the interaction ith the GPL code is across a network boundary, it _might_ be ok. | 20:10 |
| annegentle | ttx: what you're not disclosing the pre-whiteboard board? | 20:10 |
| dolphm | in the keystone meeting, there was a lot of interest in having a keystone-specific slightly organized unconference for smaller topics that aren't getting a full session | 20:11 |
| ttx | annegentle: the Monday pre-allocation is now full | 20:11 |
| annegentle | ttx: got it | 20:11 |
| ttx | mikal: we pre-opened the Monday slots so that they would be pre-filled | 20:11 |
| mordred | dolphm: I call that the "bar" ... but I know what you mean | 20:11 |
| ttx | (last summit we had nothing going on in unoncfreence in the first day) | 20:12 |
| notmyname | I've got 10 sessions proposed that are overflow from my allocated 8. I'll be using as many unconference sessions as possible | 20:12 |
| annegentle | notmyname: you had 18 proposed? | 20:12 |
| notmyname | yup | 20:12 |
| mordred | it's possible that we might not have enough summit time | 20:12 |
| notmyname | well, 19, but 2 were duplicate s:-) | 20:12 |
| mordred | ttx: tell lauren we need more rooms next time | 20:13 |
| dolphm | mordred: i think the best approach would simply be to pick a specific "bar" for the duration of the conference, but i'd like to have a way to advertise that | 20:13 |
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| mordred | dolphm: fair. how about twitter #openstacksummitbar ? :) | 20:13 |
| annegentle | anyone know what the dev lounge looks like this year? | 20:13 |
| ttx | mordred: we also got the complaint that more parallelism would be unbearable | 20:13 |
| mordred | ttx: hrm | 20:13 |
| mordred | that's a hard problem then | 20:13 |
| ttx | like people already needed to be in two or three different sessions at the same time | 20:13 |
| ttx | we added one more parallel room this time around | 20:14 |
| mordred | so... | 20:14 |
| ttx | I think the trick is to discuss forward-looking development topic, there is only so much you'll work on in the next 6 months | 20:14 |
| mordred | I believe we can probably bikeshed that topic for a while | 20:14 |
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| mordred | ttx: for me, there are two diferent types of stuff - there's the "zomg we need people from all projects in here" - no parallelism possible, or minimal | 20:15 |
| mordred | then there's the "dude, whatabout that virt layer stuff" - which could have as much parallelism as we could get rooms | 20:15 |
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| mordred | and then there's the booze | 20:15 |
| mordred | which is good for MASSIVE parallelism | 20:15 |
| ttx | mordred: yeah, but otoh you also want people to be involved in many projects, so meh | 20:15 |
| mordred | ttx: meh indeed | 20:15 |
| mordred | it'll be great - we'll solve world peace | 20:16 |
| ttx | for this time I guess the best is for notmyname to exploit the hole in the unconference system :) | 20:16 |
| ttx | the dev lounge should have dark corners for quick meetings anyway | 20:16 |
| mordred | how dark? | 20:16 |
| ttx | mordred: not enough for you | 20:17 |
| ttx | anything else before I #endmeeting ? | 20:17 |
| ttx | (but yes, more rooms would give us more flexibility so +1) | 20:17 |
| gabrielhurley | can we shorten the #openstacksummitbar hashtag to just #openbar? | 20:17 |
| dolphm | dev lounge is a bit too relaxed and quiet for the rowdy disagreements i'm looking forward to | 20:18 |
| ttx | dolphm: heh | 20:18 |
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| ttx | ok then | 20:19 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 20:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 20:19:55 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-04-02-20.01.html | 20:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-04-02-20.01.txt | 20:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2013/tc.2013-04-02-20.01.log.html | 20:20 |
| ttx | See most of you in 40min | 20:20 |
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| notmyname | ttx: so I guess that's the answer to my email? I need to just use the unconference sessions? | 20:24 |
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| dolphm | notmyname: i think he's afk til the next meeting | 20:30 |
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| ttx | notmyname: yeah, I think that's the simplest at this point | 20:38 |
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| ttx | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hi | 21:00 |
| heckj | o/ | 21:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:01 |
| ttx | markmc, bcwaldon/markwash, jgriffith, vishy/russellb, gabrielhurley: around ? | 21:01 |
| markmc | yep | 21:01 |
| markwash | yup | 21:01 |
| markwash | here | 21:02 |
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| ttx | enough to get started I guess | 21:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting project | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 21:02:51 2013 UTC. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: project)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'project' | 21:02 |
| ttx | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/ProjectMeeting | 21:03 |
| gabrielhurley | here now | 21:03 |
| ttx | #topic General announcements | 21:03 |
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| ttx | #info Summit scheduling in progress | 21:03 |
| ttx | Would you like me to hide the "suggest session" button now, to avoid random new suggestions ? | 21:03 |
| ttx | (It would still be possible to add sessions using http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/create) | 21:03 |
| ttx | I kinda announced that sessions should be suggested before the end of march... | 21:04 |
| notmyname | ya, but wasn't that a soft deadline to get a feel for scheduling? | 21:04 |
| markmc | ttx, that's probably reasonable | 21:04 |
| ttx | I'm fine with leaving it atm if you need/want more input | 21:04 |
| ttx | but we are all more than full already | 21:05 |
| ttx | and can add manually if needed | 21:05 |
| notmyname | seems that most (all?) tracks are now full, so there's not too much benefit for keeping it open | 21:05 |
| markmc | maybe if there was still a hidden shortcut for exceptions PTL want | 21:05 |
| notmyname | markmc: +1 | 21:05 |
| ttx | markmc: see above | 21:05 |
| ttx | http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/create | 21:05 |
| ttx | not so hidden | 21:05 |
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| ttx | :) | 21:05 |
| markmc | cool | 21:06 |
| ttx | #action ttx to hide "suggest session" button to limit new submissions | 21:07 |
| ttx | annegentle: How is Grizzly doc coming along ? | 21:07 |
| ttx | apevec/markmc, jeblair/mordred, sdague/davidkranz: Anything from Stable/CI/QA teams ? | 21:07 |
| markmc | #info 2012.2.4 RC due this week: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2013-March/000353.html | 21:07 |
| markmc | there's more reviews outstanding for stable/folsom than I'd like at this point | 21:07 |
| markmc | so help with reviews is very welcome | 21:07 |
| jeblair | ttx: nothing earthshattering on the ci front | 21:07 |
| ttx | jeblair: by design :) | 21:07 |
| jeblair | indeed | 21:07 |
| ttx | ok, moving on to projects | 21:08 |
| ttx | annegentle: feel free to jump in anytime | 21:08 |
| ttx | #topic Oslo status | 21:08 |
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| annegentle | ttx: really same as last week | 21:08 |
| annegentle | I'll send a more detailed status update tomorrow to openstack-doc ML | 21:09 |
| ttx | ok | 21:09 |
| ttx | markmc: Anything affecting the release that you would like to mention ? | 21:09 |
| markmc | no, all quiet | 21:09 |
| markmc | well | 21:09 |
| markmc | there is a fix for Co-authored | 21:09 |
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| markmc | but I think we agreed we wouldn't do a respin of nova for that | 21:10 |
| markmc | and do it in stable/grizzly | 21:10 |
| ttx | markmc: did it got merged to oslo-incubator master yet ? | 21:10 |
| markmc | yes, it did | 21:10 |
| ttx | ok, so we can include it if we ever respin Nova | 21:10 |
| markmc | don't think there's a bug tracking it | 21:10 |
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| * markmc will file one | 21:11 | |
| ttx | markmc: thx | 21:11 |
| markmc | it for grizzly/oslo | 21:11 |
| markmc | will do summit scheduling early next week | 21:11 |
| ttx | markmc: ok | 21:11 |
| * mordred facepalms over the co-authored fix | 21:11 | |
| ttx | Anything else on the oslo topic ? | 21:11 |
| markmc | nope | 21:11 |
| ttx | mordred: beware of the crowd of co-authors hunting you down for vengeance | 21:12 |
| ttx | #topic Keystone status | 21:12 |
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| ttx | heckj/dolphm: o/ | 21:12 |
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| ttx | Earlier today we published grizzly-rc3... | 21:13 |
| heckj | yeah!!! | 21:13 |
| ttx | The idea now is that we shouldn't respin now except for a last-minute catastrophic regression/upgrade issue | 21:13 |
| * heckj nods | 21:13 | |
| ttx | And document anything else in the Known Bugs section in the Release notes. | 21:13 |
| ttx | heckj: anything of that sort spotted so far ? | 21:13 |
| heckj | not as yet | 21:13 |
| * heckj crosses fingers | 21:13 | |
| ttx | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=grizzly-rc-potential | 21:13 |
| heckj | we're getting good validation feedback on the performance fixes now | 21:13 |
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| ttx | heckj: I don't think any of those bugs will be included in a respin, so I'll all move them to grizzly-backport-potential for post-release consideration | 21:14 |
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| heckj | sounds good | 21:14 |
| ttx | Your release notes look good (https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Identity_.28Keystone.29) | 21:14 |
| ttx | Hmm... Weren't PKI tokens actually introduced in Folsom rather than Grizzly ? | 21:14 |
| heckj | They were there, but not default | 21:15 |
| heckj | with grizzly, they're default | 21:15 |
| ttx | hmm ok, maybe that line in the release notes should be a bit more explicit | 21:15 |
| heckj | will do | 21:15 |
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| ttx | though I guess that can be one of the meanings of "replace" | 21:15 |
| ttx | How is your summit scheduling looking so far ? | 21:16 |
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| ttx | well, not yours, but meh :) | 21:16 |
| heckj | I don't know - that was taken away from me :-) | 21:16 |
| ttx | Ack. Anything more about Keystone ? | 21:17 |
| heckj | last I heard, coming along well - some concern over | 21:17 |
| heckj | over wanting lots of cross polination from different projects in the key topics for Keystone | 21:17 |
| heckj | lots of cross-project concerns that I expect to be discussed/etc at the summit | 21:17 |
| heckj | that's it | 21:17 |
| ttx | the design summit should last two weeks so that everyone can attend everything | 21:17 |
| ttx | #topic Swift status | 21:18 |
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| ttx | notmyname: o/ | 21:18 |
| notmyname | hello | 21:18 |
| ttx | 1.8.0 RC2 was tagged Friday | 21:18 |
| ttx | notmyname: Does it still look like a winner ? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | so far. I haven't heard of any showstoppers yet | 21:18 |
| ttx | When can we push the final versioning on it ? | 21:19 |
| ttx | (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24765/) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | the release is thursday? | 21:19 |
| ttx | yes, unless for some catastrophic reason we need to stretch the definition of "Thursday" | 21:20 |
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| ttx | I can push it when I do the release (which should happen early on Thursday) | 21:20 |
| ttx | or before if you prefer | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I'm not worried about that yet. ya, what I was about to suggest. shoot for thurs am, and we'll do it earlier if possible | 21:21 |
| notmyname | I want to get a final update from people doing QA first | 21:21 |
| ttx | notmyname: ok, we'll confirm tomorrow afternoon for you / night for me | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:21 |
| ttx | Swift section in the release notes is still empty: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Object_Storage_.28Swift.29 | 21:21 |
| ttx | Planning to work on it ? Need some help ? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | yes. QA, then summit scheduling, then release notes :-) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | I'll be doing those this afternoon, I think | 21:22 |
| ttx | well, summit scheduling can happen AFTER the release notes :) | 21:22 |
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| ttx | notmyname: sounds good | 21:22 |
| ttx | Anything more on Swift ? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | looks like we'll be having a bunch of write-in sessions at the summit for overflow :-) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | not that anyone could have predicted it. we've had a much larger submission pool this time (of surprisingly good topics) | 21:23 |
| ttx | notmyname: I'll try to secure early access to those whiteboards :) | 21:23 |
| notmyname | heh :-) | 21:23 |
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| ttx | #topic Glance status | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting tomorrow, | 21:24 |
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| ttx | oops | 21:24 |
| markmcwash | ttx: hi hi | 21:24 |
| notmyname | fin | 21:24 |
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| ttx | markmcwash: o/ | 21:24 |
| ttx | Glance RC2 was published Saturday | 21:24 |
| markmcwash | w00t | 21:24 |
| ttx | Nothing stands out on grizzly-rc-potential list @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bugs?field.tag=grizzly-rc-potential | 21:24 |
| ttx | May I move all those to grizzly-backport-potential so that they get post-release attention ? | 21:25 |
| markmcwash | affirmative | 21:25 |
| ttx | anything critical flying under the radar ? | 21:25 |
| ttx | (that you know about ?) | 21:25 |
| markmcwash | well, its under my radar as well, if it is | 21:25 |
| markmcwash | (no) :-) | 21:26 |
| ttx | OK. Then you now need to work on the Release notes at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Image_Service_.28Glance.29 | 21:26 |
| ttx | When do you think you can update that ? Need some help ? | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | ttx: I should probably put some effort into that | 21:26 |
| markmcwash | we can collaborate sometime this week | 21:26 |
| bcwaldon | markwash and I can carve out some time this week to do it | 21:26 |
| ttx | bcwaldon: you certainly can. | 21:26 |
| ttx | ideally that should happen between now and tomorrow EOD | 21:26 |
| markmcwash | oh | 21:27 |
| bcwaldon | good point | 21:27 |
| ttx | since some people like complete release notes by release time, for some reason | 21:27 |
| markmcwash | makes sense | 21:27 |
| ttx | bcwaldon, markmcwash: let me know if that's an issue for you, I could throw a few cycles to help | 21:28 |
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| ttx | markmcwash: Making progress on the Design Summit schedule for Glance ? | 21:28 |
| markmcwash | I've been stealth reviewing, I think I am almost ready to pull the approve trigger on everything there presently | 21:29 |
| markmcwash | (and providing feedback with the proposers) | 21:29 |
| ttx | markmcwash: sounds good. Let me know if you want me to hold your hand during the scheduling part | 21:29 |
| ttx | Anything more on Glance ? | 21:30 |
| markmcwash | I added a meeting for glance to the meetings wiki | 21:30 |
| markmcwash | 1st and 3rd thursdays of the month at 2000 UTC | 21:30 |
| markmcwash | (same time as Nova Orchestration, different channel) | 21:30 |
| ttx | markmcwash: recently ? Looks like the "subscribe to page" on the wiki is not really triggering email alerts | 21:30 |
| markmcwash | yes, just today | 21:30 |
| ttx | #action ttx to add glance meeting to the meetings gcal | 21:31 |
| markmcwash | I'll post an agenda as well soon | 21:31 |
| ttx | sounds good | 21:31 |
| ttx | #topic Quantum status | 21:31 |
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| ttx | danwent/markmcclain: hi! | 21:31 |
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| markmcclain | hi | 21:31 |
| ttx | We have a RC3 window open that we need to close ASAP | 21:31 |
| ttx | #info https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/grizzly-rc3 | 21:31 |
| markmcclain | everything is now in | 21:32 |
| ttx | Anything else you'd like to pull in before I cut it ? | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | no | 21:32 |
| ttx | OK, then I'll do it just after the meeting | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | sounds good | 21:32 |
| ttx | the more light it sees the better it will be | 21:32 |
| markmcclain | agreed | 21:33 |
| ttx | How is design summit scheduling going so far ? I've seen you had quite a lot of sessions lined up too | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I've been reading through them | 21:33 |
| markmcclain | and we're going to merge several | 21:34 |
| ttx | Sounds good. Anything else on Quantum ? | 21:34 |
| markmcclain | no | 21:34 |
| ttx | #topic Cinder status | 21:34 |
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| ttx | jgriffith: hi! | 21:34 |
| ttx | Cinder RC3 was published last Wednesday | 21:34 |
| jgriffith | ttx: hey hey | 21:34 |
| ttx | jgriffith: still looking good ? | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | yeah, for the most part | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | couple minor things have come up but nothing serious | 21:35 |
| ttx | I'll move the bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs?field.tag=grizzly-rc-potential to grizzly-backport-potential. | 21:35 |
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| jgriffith | yay | 21:35 |
| ttx | Your release notes @ https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Block_Storage_.28Cinder.29 could be improved a bit... | 21:35 |
| ttx | Need some help on that, or are you covering it ? | 21:35 |
| jgriffith | I'll cover it | 21:35 |
| ttx | Cool. Any progress on the Design Summit scheduling ? | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | but is there something specifically you see as lacking? | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, I've about got the summit scheduling wrapped up | 21:36 |
| ttx | jgriffith: I think it would be good to list new storage drivers, not just v1/v2 API features | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | I have a few sessions that I want to bring up with the core team at tomorrows meeting | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | ttx: fair | 21:36 |
| jgriffith | ttx: Yeah, now that I think about it there's a number of things I need to add | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | ttx: thanks | 21:37 |
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| ttx | Anything more in Cinder ? | 21:37 |
| jgriffith | Nope | 21:37 |
| ttx | #topic Nova status | 21:37 |
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| ttx | vishy: around ? | 21:38 |
| vishy | yup | 21:38 |
| ttx | Nova RC2 was published Saturday | 21:39 |
| ttx | Anything worrying on your radar ? | 21:39 |
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| vishy | well there is one thing worrying | 21:39 |
| vishy | we have 31 untriaged bugs | 21:39 |
| vishy | we should probably look through and make sure there isn't anything pressing | 21:39 |
| ttx | indeed | 21:40 |
| vishy | i have 2 or 3 bugs that are somewhat annoying but i think they are ok going through backports | 21:40 |
| ttx | I tried to look them up as they were filed but I may have overlooked something | 21:40 |
| vishy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=grizzly-backport-potential | 21:40 |
| ttx | vishy: could you try to get Nova dudes to look into the list today to make sure we didn't overlook anything ? | 21:41 |
| vishy | yeah i will | 21:41 |
| ttx | If you agree, I'll push all in the grizzly-rc-potential list to grizzly-backport-potential, since they don't really fit the "regression/upgrade/install" criteria for last-minute RC bugs | 21:41 |
| ttx | so that we have a clean slate just in case | 21:42 |
| ttx | Your release notes look reasonably good at this point. | 21:42 |
| ttx | Won't ask you about summit scheduling because I know that's Russell's playground now | 21:42 |
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| vishy | makes sense | 21:42 |
| ttx | vishy: anything else on your mind ? | 21:42 |
| vishy | nope | 21:42 |
| ttx | awesome! | 21:42 |
| ttx | #topic Horizon status | 21:42 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: hey | 21:43 |
| ttx | sdake, jd__: around ? | 21:44 |
| gabrielhurley | hi | 21:45 |
| ttx | hola | 21:45 |
| ttx | So... Horizon RC2 was published Thursday | 21:45 |
| ttx | Still looking good ? | 21:45 |
| gabrielhurley | yep, still lookin' good :-) | 21:45 |
| ttx | That's how I like it | 21:45 |
| gabrielhurley | me too | 21:45 |
| ttx | The release notes at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Grizzly#OpenStack_Dashboard_.28Horizon.29 still need some urgent love | 21:45 |
| gabrielhurley | I'll copy the release notes into the wiki today | 21:45 |
| ttx | sounds good | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | it's a pain to reformat reST into wiki markup | 21:46 |
| jd__ | ttx: p/ | 21:46 |
| ttx | How is your Design Summit scheduling going on so far ? | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | Got the same number of sessions as slots, and I like all the proposals | 21:46 |
| gabrielhurley | so, I think that's as well as can be hoped? | 21:47 |
| ttx | well, let's say you're more lucky that others ;) | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | very much so | 21:47 |
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| ttx | gabrielhurley: Anything you wanted to add ? | 21:47 |
| gabrielhurley | nope. it's been a quiet week (thankfully) | 21:47 |
| ttx | ok then :) | 21:48 |
| ttx | #topic Incubated-in-Grizzly/Integrated-in-Havana projects | 21:48 |
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| ttx | jd__: o/ | 21:48 |
| ttx | Is ceilometer RC1 good to be promoted to final 2013.1 release ? | 21:48 |
| jd__ | probably, we have a bug that poped today that we may want to fix for final, but it can also be fixed in a backport I think | 21:48 |
| jd__ | didn't dig too far for now | 21:49 |
| ttx | ok, you can ping me tomorrow morning in case you need a respin | 21:49 |
| ttx | jd__: May I remove bug 1146655 from the grizzly-rc-potential list ? | 21:49 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1146655 in ceilometer "no metaquery implementation in HBase backend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1146655 | 21:49 |
| jd__ | I will, thanks | 21:49 |
| ttx | that's not the one you mentioned, right | 21:49 |
| jd__ | totally | 21:49 |
| ttx | OK | 21:49 |
| ttx | If everything is alright, should I push the final based on RC1 on Thursday ? | 21:49 |
| ttx | or do you want it another day ? | 21:50 |
| jd__ | Thursday's fine | 21:50 |
| ttx | ok! | 21:50 |
| ttx | sdake: around ? | 21:50 |
| sdake | yup | 21:50 |
| ttx | jd__: any question about the release ? | 21:50 |
| ttx | sdake: heat RC2 still ready for release ? | 21:50 |
| sdake | yup | 21:50 |
| jd__ | ttx: nop | 21:50 |
| ttx | sdake: Want me to push it on Thursday ? | 21:51 |
| sdake | ttx: please | 21:51 |
| ttx | ok. Just wave a big red flag if for some reason I shouldn't | 21:51 |
| sdake | will do | 21:51 |
| ttx | jd__, sdake: Progress on your Design Summit schedules ? | 21:51 |
| ttx | jd__: I see yours is mostly scheduled at this point | 21:52 |
| jd__ | ttx: yep, I need to do a recheck but it should be good as it is otherwise | 21:52 |
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| jd__ | we had to merged a lot of stuff | 21:52 |
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| ttx | jd__: yeah, tat's the recipe for success | 21:53 |
| jd__ | :-) | 21:53 |
| ttx | anythign else to add before I close the meeting ? | 21:53 |
| ttx | well then | 21:54 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 21:54:34 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-04-02-21.02.html | 21:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-04-02-21.02.txt | 21:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/project/2013/project.2013-04-02-21.02.log.html | 21:54 |
| ttx | thanks everyone, should be a good release! | 21:54 |
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| gabrielhurley | I'm actually double-booked on meetings today, so I can't run the Horizon project meeting this afternoon. Sorry for the late notice on that. If kspear, mrunge or jpich are willing to run the meeting y'all are encouraged to still have it! :-) | 22:01 |
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| vkmc | Hey gabrielhurley! | 22:02 |
| jpich | Let's do this | 22:02 |
| vkmc | Go jpich :) | 22:02 |
| jpich | #startmeeting horizon | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Apr 2 22:02:40 2013 UTC. The chair is jpich. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' | 22:02 |
| gabrielhurley | I see it's in capable hands. thanks! | 22:02 |
| jpich | No problems! | 22:03 |
| cody-somerville | \o_ | 22:03 |
| jpich | Let's go with the usual agenda and see what happens | 22:03 |
| kspear | Hi all | 22:03 |
| davidlyle | hello | 22:03 |
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| jpich | #topic General Horizon Status | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Horizon Status (Meeting topic: horizon)" | 22:03 | |
| * kspear has been away for a while, so has some catching up to do | 22:03 | |
| jpich | From the previous meeting: Horizon RC2 was released on Thursday and still looks good, so it'll likely become the Grizzly release | 22:04 |
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| jpich | For design summit: the same number of sessions than there are available was received, and since the proposals all look good they've all been accepted | 22:05 |
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| jpich | ...I guess that removes a lot of the scheduling difficulties | 22:05 |
| jpich | Hi kspear :) Feel free to jump in! | 22:06 |
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| jpich | That's all I can think of, so moving on | 22:06 |
| jpich | #topic Blueprints and Bugs | 22:06 |
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| davidlyle | any idea which days the Horizon sessions are? | 22:06 |
| jpich | Someone briefly showed me a Google doc spreadsheet but I forgot, I think it might be Tuesday afternoon | 22:07 |
| lcheng | Tuesday: http://openstacksummitapril2013.sched.org/ | 22:08 |
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| jpich | Cool, thanks lcheng | 22:08 |
| jpich | From 11am to 4:30pm it looks like | 22:09 |
| jpich | Cool. Did anyone have any bug or blueprint matter they'd like to bring up? | 22:09 |
| lcheng | I do. :) | 22:10 |
| lcheng | I started working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1147329 | 22:10 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1147329 in horizon "Templates are not django 1.5 compatible" [High,In progress] | 22:10 |
| jpich | Great! | 22:10 |
| lcheng | Do we need to update the template to be backward compatible? | 22:11 |
| lcheng | Changing: {% url myview %} to {% url "myview" %} does not work with django 1.4 | 22:11 |
| jpich | That's a good question. If it's not possible I don't think we should do it :-) I don't think current Horizon is compatible with Django 1.3 so it looks like we only support one Django version at a time | 22:12 |
| jpich | I'd suggest adding a comment asking your question to the report | 22:13 |
| kspear | lcheng: so Django broke the template format between versions? | 22:13 |
| kspear | i would have thought that was unlikely | 22:14 |
| lcheng | Yes. The other alternative is to keep the format of existing url tag and add {% load url from future %} in all files using url template. | 22:14 |
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| lcheng | kspear: Yes, the old format of {% url myview %} would not work in django 1.5 without any changes. | 22:15 |
| kspear | lcheng: i see. just read that it has been deprecated since 1.3 | 22:16 |
| cody-somerville | '{% load url from future %}' can be added to make it work with 1.4. | 22:16 |
| kspear | guess we need to look at whether there's anything holding us back from requiring 1.5 | 22:17 |
| kspear | given that 1.4 is still supported security-wise until the release of 1.6 i'd lean towards continuing to support it | 22:18 |
| zykes- | :pyo | 22:18 |
| jpich | We haven't been really shy about using new Django features when we upgrade versions though. We might want to be more explicit about what Django versions we want to support, like we do with supporting OpenStack n-1 | 22:19 |
| jpich | I wanted to mention https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1163369 since it blocks the Horizon tests (docs failure), however since then there's a prettytables conflict that affects multiple projects, so that'd be the new thing to keep an eye on | 22:20 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1163369 in horizon "Docs not building with Sphinx 1.2" [High,In progress] | 22:20 |
| kspear | jpich: good point. we might want to look at a gate job if we decided to continue 1.4 support | 22:21 |
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| jpich | kspear: Maybe we should take the topic to the mailing list to discuss this then | 22:21 |
| jpich | There are good bad sides to multiple versions support (shiny new features vs. making packagers' lives easier) | 22:23 |
| jpich | Any other bug/blueprint matter someone would like to bring up...? | 22:23 |
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| amotoki | hello. i have a question about translation imports from horizon. | 22:23 |
| kspear | jpich: agreed. happy to take it to the list | 22:23 |
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| amotoki | po files in grizzly rc are already out-of-date now. | 22:24 |
| jpich | amotoki: You may ask, but I think Gabriel has been the person doing the process manually and would be the best person to answer | 22:24 |
| jpich | kspear: Cheers! | 22:24 |
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| amotoki | jpich: thanks. i know it is done manually by gabriel. I send the mail. | 22:25 |
| jpich | amotoki: we can probably do a translation update as part of the first grizzly stable release, I'm not sure when that is | 22:25 |
| amotoki | i know there are some progress done in Trasifex. it is worth importing them. | 22:26 |
| jpich | Yeah it sounds definitely worth it | 22:26 |
| lcheng | kspear, jpich: thanks | 22:26 |
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| jpich | I'm not sure if we would cut a RC3 for translations, although that sounds somewhat low risk high impact... | 22:27 |
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| jpich | I think it's more likely to go into a stable release but that sounds worthwhile still asking the PTL or ttx | 22:28 |
| jpich | Ok | 22:29 |
| jpich | #topic General Discussion | 22:29 |
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| jpich | Anything else? | 22:29 |
| jpich | Giving it another minute or two... | 22:31 |
| jpich | Ok. Thank you everyone, have a nice day/afternoon/evening | 22:33 |
| jpich | #endmeeting | 22:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Apr 2 22:33:26 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-04-02-22.02.html | 22:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-04-02-22.02.txt | 22:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/horizon/2013/horizon.2013-04-02-22.02.log.html | 22:33 |
| kspear | thanks jpich! | 22:34 |
| jpich | Cheers | 22:34 |
| lcheng | thanks, bye everyone | 22:34 |
| amotoki | thanks. bye | 22:34 |
| vkmc | Thanks :) | 22:35 |
| davidlyle | thanks, bye | 22:35 |
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