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| zyluo | Is there a QA meeting today? | 17:01 |
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| davidkranz | Any one else here? | 17:05 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: I am | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: around | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | sdague: around? | 17:05 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:05 |
| zyluo | hi | 17:05 |
| davidkranz | #startmeeting qa | 17:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 28 17:05:33 2013 UTC. The chair is davidkranz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:05 |
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| masayukig | hi | 17:05 |
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| davidkranz | #topic reviews | 17:06 |
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| davidkranz | Any comments about anything in https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest,n,z | 17:06 |
| sdague | davidkranz: am now | 17:07 |
| sdague | sorry, got back late from lunch | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | sdague: np | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | I am not sure how much there is to discuss today | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | We are pretty well set with the summit sessions based on last week's discussion | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | We should be able to schedule them next week when the tool is ready. | 17:08 |
| davidkranz | Any one know the current story on the full quantum failures? | 17:09 |
| ravikumar_hp | davidkranz: one more proposal was put up yesterday on scenario tests | 17:09 |
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| ravikumar_hp | that is unreviwed . need to approve/reject | 17:09 |
| zyluo | Is the Quantum tests still a problem? | 17:10 |
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| sdague | zyluo: the quantum full tests still don't complete | 17:10 |
| zyluo | I found the cause of the Quantum test failure and thought I fixed it submitting a patch to Nova | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | ravikumar_hp: I had not seem it. | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | zyluo: Is the patch merged? | 17:10 |
| zyluo | Yes its merged. | 17:10 |
| sdague | ravikumar_hp: I feel like it duplicates some of the other sessions. | 17:10 |
| zyluo | sdague, and I tried it on my vanilla installation | 17:11 |
| sdague | davidkranz: dtroyer got in the grenade one right? | 17:11 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Yes | 17:11 |
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| ravikumar_hp | Adding user scenario tests to Tempest by Masayuki Igawa | 17:11 |
| dwalleck | sdague: I agree. I think if we feel like there's still more to discuss, we could do it in an unconference | 17:11 |
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| davidkranz | zyluo: The full quantum run is failing with a bunch of security group failures. | 17:12 |
| zyluo | Can you show us a link? | 17:13 |
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| davidkranz | zyluo: Actually other failures as well http://logs.openstack.org/24426/5/check/gate-tempest-devstack-vm-quantum-full/1037/console.html | 17:13 |
| sdague | zyluo: it's on every change anywhere in gerrit | 17:14 |
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| mlavalle | davidkranz: as I said to sdague last week, there are several things broken with quantum full. We need to work them one by one | 17:15 |
| sdague | yep | 17:15 |
| zyluo | mlavalle, Is the quantum client version have anything to do with this? | 17:15 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: right now I have a patch set addressing one of the problems | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: OK. zyluo had suggested maybe it should have been working is all. | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: I think we have the status which is that workk continues but we are not yet there. | 17:16 |
| mlavalle | zyluo: yep, we are not there yet | 17:16 |
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| davidkranz | #topic Open Discussion | 17:17 |
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| masayukig | ravikumar_hp: it's my suggesting(scenario test). duplicated others? | 17:17 |
| davidkranz | Any one else have anything to bring up? | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: the only thing I wanted to bring up is do we have a plan for backporting any changes into milestone-proposed? | 17:17 |
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| davidkranz | mtreinish: I don't think so | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | sdague: Has stable/grizzly been cut yet? | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | davidkranz: I don't think it has | 17:19 |
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| mtreinish | that's why asked about backporting any changes while we still can | 17:19 |
| sdague | davidkranz: we're got milestone-proposed | 17:19 |
| sdague | so we now have a milestone-proposed branch, which all the RCs are testing against | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: Are you proposing something in particular? | 17:19 |
| sdague | so effectively master is havana now | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: no I haven't been following the review queue carefully enough this past week | 17:20 |
| sdague | so that protects us from breaking changes in master | 17:20 |
| sdague | and we can cut to stable propper when the main projects do | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | but I thought it was worth bringing up if someone saw something that was worth considering | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: I don't think so but we can always backport something to stable if we want to. | 17:21 |
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| davidkranz | Anything else? | 17:23 |
| sdague | nothing from me | 17:23 |
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| davidkranz | OK, going once. | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | I guess that's it. | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | See you all next week. | 17:24 |
| JoseSwiftQA | +1 | 17:24 |
| RAX-Sam | cool. See you guys next week. :-) | 17:24 |
| ravikumar_hp | bye | 17:24 |
| zyluo | bye | 17:24 |
| longshot_rax_QE | bye everyone | 17:24 |
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| davidkranz | #endmeeting | 17:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 17:24:54 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-28-17.05.html | 17:24 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-03-28-17.05.txt | 17:24 |
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| jaypipes | davidkranz: doink, sorry, missed meeting | 17:27 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| openstack | hyakuhei: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 18:00 |
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| hyakuhei | #startmeeting Openstack Security Group | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 28 18:00:17 2013 UTC. The chair is hyakuhei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| hyakuhei | Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening everyone. | 18:00 |
| hyakuhei | Any agenda items you'd like adding while we wait for a few more folks to join? | 18:00 |
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| hyakuhei | ok, we'll give it about a minute then get started | 18:01 |
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| hyakuhei | #topic OSSG meetup | 18:02 |
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| hyakuhei | So it looks like we're going to meet up for food/beer on the Monday night of the summit, we need to have a rough idea of how many people are coming. | 18:02 |
| lglenden | 4 from APL | 18:03 |
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| hyakuhei | great, there'll be 2-3 from HP. | 18:03 |
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| hyakuhei | Ok, I'll send an email around to get a better idea on headcount. | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to gather headcount for food. | 18:04 |
| hyakuhei | #info I'll see what we can do about HP sponsoring the group meal | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Mailing List | 18:05 |
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| hyakuhei | We now have a super-shiny 'OpenStack Official' mailing list! | 18:05 |
| hyakuhei | #info Go subscribe: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-security | 18:06 |
| hyakuhei | For discussions on topics within OpenStack that require a strong security focus or issues that should be brought to the attention of the security community within OpenStack. Home of the OpenStack Security Group and a central point for co-ordinating security projects. | 18:06 |
| hyakuhei | This list should also receive any 'security' tagged bugs that come in | 18:07 |
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| hyakuhei | Any thoughts/comments on this before we move on? | 18:07 |
| Guest70823 | $chan.usercount | 18:07 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, exciting stuff. | 18:08 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OpenStack Security Notes | 18:08 |
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| hyakuhei | As you probably know we maintain a list of 'Security Notes' like advisories. | 18:08 |
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| hyakuhei | They speak to common configuration issues, insecure 3rd party software and other fun stuff | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://launchpad.net/osn | 18:09 |
| hyakuhei | We need ideas and content for a few more of these. Would anyone like to finish the Keystone OOM DoS one? | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | If not I'll do it tomorrow. | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | Quiet room today... | 18:10 |
| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei publish Keystone DoS OSN. | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | #topic OpenStack Summit | 18:11 |
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| hyakuhei | So we already touched on the summit with regard to everyone meeting up. | 18:11 |
| hyakuhei | It strikes me that there are a bunch of interesting topics that we should probably make some progress on before the summit. | 18:11 |
| lglenden | such as? | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | Perhaps some online presentations or walkthroughs for some of the more difficult issues, Volume Encryption being one. | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | The KeyManager being another | 18:12 |
| hyakuhei | Summit sessions aren't particularly long afterall | 18:12 |
| lglenden | true | 18:13 |
| hyakuhei | And while all the content may be in the ML, reading those threads is an art in iteslf. | 18:13 |
| lglenden | there isn't a lot of time before the summit itself, however, not sure how technically deep we'd be able to get | 18:13 |
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| rellerreller | ML? | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | MailingList | 18:14 |
| rellerreller | Thanks | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | So last summit, because of the mixed audience, I found crypto discussions went nowhere fast. | 18:14 |
| hyakuhei | With everyone who'd ever used certificates having an opinion. | 18:15 |
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| hyakuhei | #action hyakuhei to provide online meeting space, presentation and telecoms for anyone wanting to demo/preview/walkthrough content with the OSSG before the summit | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone else want an action while I'm handing them out? | 18:16 |
| hyakuhei | #topic Hardening Guide | 18:16 |
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| hyakuhei | So thanks to Kieth for migrating the Hardening guide over to Markdown | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | #link https://github.com/hyakuhei/OSSG_Hardening_Guide | 18:17 |
| hyakuhei | That should make contributing far less painful. I think I'll rm the .tex files soon | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | Bryan had mentioned engaging in a documentation sprint to try and drive forward progress on the guide. Any thoughts on that? | 18:18 |
| hyakuhei | #topic AoB | 18:19 |
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| lglenden | while I can't speak for everyone, it would be hard for us to travel to attend a documentation sprint | 18:19 |
| rellerreller | I think it's a good idea, but I don't think we can contribute | 18:19 |
| lglenden | us = APL | 18:19 |
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| hyakuhei | Fair enough, well if a few of us can get some core documentation down then it should make it easier to contribute around the edges. | 18:20 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, so lets do a quick roll-call. Who's here ? | 18:21 |
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| rellerreller | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-March/007023.html | 18:22 |
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| rellerreller | There was an email thread on HSM. I thought it was interesting. | 18:23 |
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| hyakuhei | Yeah, I did wonder if anyone had comments on the HSM stuff | 18:24 |
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| pentae | low attendance today it seems | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | I've been wondering about cloud HSM for a while, kind of thinking VPC with rack affinity and some nasty bridging. | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Yeah, I guess a lot of people are taking a long weekend. | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Well, we've got a few actions. Shame they're all against me. | 18:25 |
| hyakuhei | Anyone got anything they'd like to bring up? | 18:25 |
| rellerreller | Are you thinking of doing demos next week or the following week? | 18:26 |
| hyakuhei | Can do any time, the sooner the better I suppose. Can provide a 'virtual room' which lets you present and an audio bridge with various international dial-ins. | 18:26 |
| rellerreller | OK, just wondering because summit is not far away. | 18:27 |
| rellerreller | Will you send an email out about how to set one up or how should we coordinate? | 18:27 |
| hyakuhei | Sure, I'm just offering because with the volume encryption and key management discussions will barely get started in the 40-minute windows available. | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | I'll send a mail around the new ML | 18:28 |
| hyakuhei | Similarly, you can reach out to me directly robert.clark@hp.com if you're interested in doing something | 18:28 |
| rellerreller | Cool. I think it will be a good idea to discuss these items more. | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | Great, progress! | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | Ok, I guess that'll do it for today. Any last-minute items? | 18:29 |
| hyakuhei | #endmeeting | 18:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 18:30:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-28-18.00.html | 18:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_security_group/2013/openstack_security_group.2013-03-28-18.00.txt | 18:30 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 28 21:01:57 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:02 |
| ttx | o/ | 21:02 |
| russellb | #chair vishy | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:02 |
| russellb | Who's around to talk nova? | 21:02 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:02 |
| alexpilotti | hi guys! | 21:02 |
| dripton | hi | 21:02 |
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| dansmith | yo | 21:02 |
| beagles | \o | 21:02 |
| russellb | vishy: mikal: you guys here? would be good for talking about this fixed_ip quota on ugprade issue | 21:02 |
| mikal | . | 21:03 |
| russellb | yay mikal | 21:03 |
| vishy | hi | 21:03 |
| devananda | \o | 21:03 |
| mikal | Sorry, just woke up | 21:03 |
| russellb | perfect | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
| russellb | #topic grizzly status | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "grizzly status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-rc2 | 21:03 |
| russellb | need to decide on plan for bug 1161190 | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161190 in openstack-manuals "Fixed IPs quota can break upgrades" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161190 | 21:04 |
| russellb | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1161190 | 21:04 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161190 in openstack-manuals "Fixed IPs quota can break upgrades" [Undecided,New] | 21:04 |
| russellb | vishy: i didn't catch all of your earlier discussion with ttx ... | 21:04 |
| russellb | last comment on the bug is: "I think our best option here is actually to change the default to -1 and note in the release notes that providers should set it to a reasonable value." | 21:05 |
| mikal | So, we need to revist the default value for that quota in essex / folsom / grizzly | 21:05 |
| vishy | well the main issue is breaking existing users is really not ok | 21:05 |
| vishy | so the only option that won't break anyone is setting to -1 | 21:06 |
| russellb | your comment there seems pretty reasonable | 21:06 |
| vishy | there are some hacky ways around it that will stop breakage in most situations | 21:06 |
| vishy | but they are hard to backport. | 21:06 |
| ttx | and document that it should be manually set to get protection | 21:06 |
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| mikal | vishy: backports are probably re-writes, given the delta in quota code between releases | 21:06 |
| mikal | ttx: well, we suffered documentation fail with our first attempt at this... Apparently the quota isn't mentioned in the folsom release notes? | 21:07 |
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| russellb | mikal: but setting to -1 by default should be easy, right? | 21:07 |
| mikal | I agree by the way, we should just set it to -1 in folsom / grizzly, and make sure its actually in the release notes | 21:07 |
| mikal | russellb: yes | 21:07 |
| mikal | We should also look at essex. Does it support -1s? | 21:07 |
| ttx | folsom/essex are a bit off-topic right now | 21:08 |
| mikal | Ok, but we need to fix them too. | 21:08 |
| ttx | We need a grizzly solution fast, for the others we have more time | 21:08 |
| russellb | so, who's going to write the grizzly patch? | 21:08 |
| mikal | I will | 21:08 |
| russellb | great, today? | 21:08 |
| mikal | Sure | 21:09 |
| russellb | k | 21:09 |
| * ttx would like to close the rc2 tomorrow and switch to regression-only mode | 21:09 | |
| russellb | looks like that was the only outstanding issue | 21:09 |
| russellb | there's one other patch that was backported, but the gate is being mean | 21:09 |
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| ttx | unit test fail | 21:10 |
| russellb | just rekicked | 21:10 |
| russellb | #note grizzly-rc2 to be closed out tomorrow, switch to regression only mode | 21:10 |
| russellb | anything else on grizzly status? | 21:10 |
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| ttx | vishy: are you ok with RC2 publication tomorrow if the page shows everything is ok ? | 21:11 |
| russellb | #topic design summit | 21:11 |
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| russellb | #undo | 21:11 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x374c0d0> | 21:11 |
| ttx | woo, nice, "undo" | 21:11 |
| russellb | heh, that didn't quite work | 21:11 |
| dripton | needs a better __repr__ | 21:12 |
| russellb | and needs to change the topic back :) | 21:12 |
| ttx | vishy: I'll assume yes unless you scream | 21:12 |
| russellb | k, feel free to come back to that topic later if needed ... | 21:13 |
| ttx | russellb: you can continue, we can ack that offline | 21:13 |
| russellb | #topic design summit | 21:13 |
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| russellb | Deadline for submissions is the end of this weekend, but i'm really hoping we have everything already | 21:13 |
| russellb | as it's already quite full | 21:14 |
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| russellb | After today, if you would like to discuss design summit planning with me, please email me directly. i'm going to be on vacation until Apr 10th or so | 21:14 |
| russellb | but will be working on summit planning in some stolen bits of time here and there | 21:14 |
| russellb | that generally applies to anything you want my attention for | 21:14 |
| russellb | #note Email russellb if you want his attention over the next couple weeks, on vacation, not on IRC | 21:15 |
| mikal | Do you want a flag in the subject or anything to make it easier to search? | 21:15 |
| mikal | [OMGWTFBBQ] Hope you're enjoying your holiday. | 21:15 |
| russellb | :) | 21:16 |
| russellb | whatever, be creative | 21:16 |
| russellb | just email direct, don't assume i'll see stuff on list ... | 21:16 |
| russellb | and of course we have the design summit soon to discuss anything big, so i don't think it'll be an issue | 21:17 |
| russellb | that's pretty much all i wanted to mention ... how to contact me during final summit planning | 21:17 |
| russellb | any last minute session proposals expected to come in? | 21:17 |
| russellb | or questions? comments/suggestions? whatever? | 21:17 |
| yjiang5_ | russellb: when will you finalize the approve for the sessions? | 21:18 |
| russellb | yjiang5_: before the design summit? :-) or whenever ttx says is the deadline ... | 21:18 |
| russellb | yjiang5_: shouldn't take me too much longer once I know I have the final list of sessions | 21:18 |
| yjiang5_ | russellb: :-) | 21:18 |
| russellb | yjiang5_: have a specific one you'd like to ask about? | 21:18 |
| yjiang5_ | russellb: the PCI/SR-IOV related stuff | 21:19 |
| ttx | russellb: "before the design summit" sounds good | 21:19 |
| ttx | :) | 21:19 |
| russellb | ttx: awesome. | 21:19 |
| russellb | ttx: heck i can pull that off by putting it off completely until after vacation! | 21:19 |
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| russellb | yjiang5_: that's on my list of "very likely to accept for a full session timeslot" | 21:20 |
| ttx | russellb: the goal is to publish early in the week of April 8 | 21:20 |
| beagles | "Key Community Members Going on Holiday Near Important Conferences and How It Can Be Prevented" | 21:20 |
| russellb | ttx: ok that's reasonable | 21:20 |
| yjiang5_ | russellb: thanks :) | 21:20 |
| vishy | russellb: did you notice if there was a topic on volume migration? | 21:20 |
| russellb | beagles: yeah ... i know ... i should have thought of this when i got married 5 years ago | 21:20 |
| mikal | russellb: so lame | 21:20 |
| vishy | russelb: i have an idea for it but it isn't worth a full session probably | 21:21 |
| russellb | vishy: there's not. there's one on volume encryption, and there's one on making block device handling more awesome | 21:21 |
| russellb | annnnd, let's see ... | 21:21 |
| beagles | :) | 21:22 |
| russellb | vishy: and "improving host maintenance and migrate APIs" | 21:22 |
| russellb | vishy: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/18 | 21:23 |
| russellb | sorta kinda related :-/ | 21:23 |
| vishy | that one might actually cover it | 21:23 |
| russellb | ok cool | 21:23 |
| russellb | vishy: let me know if you think of anything else | 21:23 |
| vishy | will do | 21:23 |
| russellb | i may have to merge a bunch of scheduler sessions as "lock scheduler people in a room parts 1 and 2" | 21:24 |
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| russellb | too many good ideas for things to work on :) | 21:24 |
| devananda | \o/ | 21:24 |
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| russellb | alrighty.. | 21:25 |
| russellb | #topic bugs | 21:25 |
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| russellb | mikal would like to bang the bugs drum :) | 21:25 |
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| mikal | Right. | 21:25 |
| mikal | So, we've fallen off the bug triage wage. | 21:25 |
| mikal | wagon even | 21:25 |
| mikal | We got lucky we noticed the folsom fixed ip upgrade bug as quick as we did. | 21:26 |
| * dansmith triaged several today | 21:26 | |
| mikal | So y'all should remember to triage bugs please. | 21:26 |
| mikal | Fixing bugs is also nice. | 21:26 |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1161175 should be in Grizzly I think | 21:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1161175 in oslo "tools/conf/generate_sample.sh fails" [Undecided,New] | 21:26 |
| russellb | #link http://webnumbr.com/untouched-nova-bugs | 21:26 |
| mikal | dansmith: I did notice that | 21:26 |
| dansmith | mikal: woohoo! | 21:26 |
| * jog0 is sorry for jumping at the wrong time | 21:26 | |
| mikal | That's all really. I just want to hassle people so they remember. | 21:26 |
| mikal | jog0: I forgive you | 21:27 |
| russellb | mikal: cool :) | 21:27 |
| russellb | jog0: what's the effect, those options not in the sample config? | 21:27 |
| jog0 | russellb: yeah | 21:27 |
| jog0 | russellb: this is the change needed to be synced in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/25297/ | 21:28 |
| russellb | yar ... seems safe enough if it can beat mikal's fixed_ip quotas patch, up to vishy though | 21:28 |
| jog0 | russellb: I'll get the patch ready now | 21:28 |
| russellb | jog0: k, just sync up with vishy to see if he's good with it going into rc2 | 21:29 |
| jog0 | russellb: *nod* | 21:29 |
| russellb | so next is open discussion, and i have one question to start | 21:29 |
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| russellb | #topic open discussion | 21:29 |
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| russellb | I was talking to beagles earlier, he was asking me about floating IP behavior with nova-network | 21:29 |
| russellb | and whether it is expected that instances can't talk to each other over those IPs if they're on the same compute node | 21:30 |
| mikal | There has been at least one bug for this before | 21:30 |
| russellb | as that's what he sees after trying it, it was reported by someone else here internally | 21:30 |
| dansmith | see, | 21:30 |
| mikal | I thought it was fixed? | 21:30 |
| dansmith | I don't think that the instances should know their floating IPs | 21:30 |
| russellb | could be the case, i should note that this was all folsom probably | 21:30 |
| russellb | beagles: around right? | 21:30 |
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| beagles | russellb: yes | 21:31 |
| mikal | I am sure that I saw vishy handle a bug like this a while ago... | 21:31 |
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| beagles | as it happens, I found this bug about 10 minutes ago... | 21:31 |
| beagles | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1096259 | 21:31 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1096259 in nova "pinging own floating ip fails with external gateway" [Low,Fix released] | 21:31 |
| beagles | or rather 10 minutes before this meet started... | 21:31 |
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| russellb | dansmith: well they don't, directly ... but it seems broken that you may or may not be able to connect to a given public IP, depending on something you're not supposed to care about (colocation of instances or not) | 21:31 |
| mikal | I think I was thinking of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/21689/ | 21:31 |
| russellb | mikal: nice | 21:32 |
| dansmith | russellb: well, maybe | 21:32 |
| russellb | and that's grizzly only | 21:32 |
| mikal | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1122335 | 21:32 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1122335 in nova "Pinging a floating ip from an instance without floating can fail" [Low,Fix released] | 21:32 |
| mikal | We could talk about backports though | 21:32 |
| mikal | We know we need to do another folsom release because of fixed ip quota | 21:32 |
| beagles | mikal: ooh, I think I saw this but figured I messed my config up | 21:32 |
| russellb | beagles: note that patch isn't in folsom | 21:32 |
| * beagles nods | 21:33 | |
| russellb | beagles: wasn't sure if you were testing latest or not for this | 21:33 |
| russellb | anyway, good references | 21:33 |
| beagles | right: I was at folsom.. .for my purposes, these are good clues as to what was going on. There is a documentation note that is somewhat... | 21:34 |
| beagles | discouraging | 21:34 |
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| russellb | beagles: k, so may be as simple as backporting that patch ... we can talk more later | 21:35 |
| beagles | "Note that you cannot SSH to an instance with a public IP from within the same server as the routing configuration won't allow it. " | 21:35 |
| beagles | in http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/network-troubleshooting.html | 21:35 |
| beagles | granted it is somewhat ambiguous, but is this referring to a different case, or is it incorrect? | 21:35 |
| beagles | russellb: ack | 21:35 |
| russellb | sounds like it *should* work ... except dansmith has a fundamental disagreement that instances should ever be trying this anyway :-) | 21:36 |
| * dansmith stands firm | 21:36 | |
| russellb | dansmith: i expect nothing less, sir! | 21:37 |
| beagles | :) I guess the case might be if that a client app somehow gets a URI (or similar) that has the public IP it should work without consideration of where that is | 21:37 |
| beagles | <shrug> | 21:37 |
| russellb | could be two different tenants entirely | 21:37 |
| mikal | I think Dan is wrong to be honest | 21:37 |
| russellb | that don't even know they're in the same cloud | 21:38 |
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| mikal | IPs should always work | 21:38 |
| mikal | russellb: 'zactly | 21:38 |
| russellb | mikal: that's how i feel | 21:38 |
| dansmith | so, I get that, | 21:38 |
| dansmith | but it seems to me that the floating IP functionality is really an edge of the network notion (regardless of where it's implemented) | 21:39 |
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| dansmith | that should be used for directing traffic, load balancing, etc and the mere fact that it can sometimes work means that people will treat it differently than that | 21:39 |
| dansmith | they can't bind to it on the instance, so they shouldn't know anything about it, IMHO | 21:39 |
| dansmith | but I definitely see the other argument, of course :) | 21:39 |
| * beagles does not entirely disagree with dansmith | 21:40 | |
| vishy | beagles: wait yes you can | 21:40 |
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| vishy | oh wait | 21:41 |
| dripton | If the client can see the Internet, it can find its external IP no matter what we do, so obscuring it seems pointless. | 21:41 |
| vishy | beagles: there are some configurations where public -> public for instances on the same host may fail | 21:41 |
| beagles | but when asked why it doesn't work and trying to figure out if it can be made to work ... or not | 21:41 |
| vishy | beagles: it can work in some situations | 21:42 |
| russellb | a bug? or just fundamentally not going to work? | 21:42 |
| beagles | vishy: is it generally know what the key factors for not-going-to-work/should-work are? | 21:43 |
| beagles | s/know/known/ | 21:43 |
| dansmith | dripton: it's not about whether it can determine it by colluding with an outside party, it's whether openstack's policy is that you're allowed to know it from an infrastructure point of view | 21:43 |
| vishy | beagles: at one point i know most of them | 21:43 |
| vishy | dansmith: i don't understand? why would we want to stop instances from knowing they have a floating ip? | 21:44 |
| vishy | beagles: iirc in most situations it is a security group problem, not a problem with traffic routing | 21:44 |
| russellb | and even if the instances don't know it, certainly the thing that deployed the application to the cloud knows it | 21:45 |
| dansmith | vishy: well, maybe _we_ wouldn't I'm just saying it seems to _me_ that it's cleaner if they don't | 21:45 |
| vishy | beagles: as in it will look like the traffic is coming from the instance's private ip instead of its public. | 21:45 |
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| * beagles nods | 21:45 | |
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| beagles | I suspect the DNAT/SNAT rules aren't entirely complete for this situation | 21:46 |
| vishy | i suspect we expose floating ips via the metadata server | 21:46 |
| vishy | but i don't remember | 21:46 |
| vishy | beagles: i looked at what it would take to fix it, it is really hard | 21:46 |
| vishy | we need to dynamically update ipsets for fixed and floating ips | 21:46 |
| vishy | and use ipsets in the rules instead of numeric ips | 21:46 |
| beagles | vishy: I managed to get it working at one point, but I had spent a few hours trying things out.. and I suspect I didn't undo something and couldn't find what the magic ingredient was | 21:46 |
| vishy | it gets really hard because security groups specify ranges | 21:47 |
| vishy | so you have to have special case rules if you are within a range | 21:47 |
| vishy | i ultimately decided it wasn't worth implementing | 21:47 |
| vishy | you'd have to do a fanout cast every time a floating ip moves telling everything to update their rules | 21:48 |
| * beagles nods | 21:48 | |
| beagles | ugh | 21:48 |
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| vishy | and you hve to look through every security group and say, do i fit in the range? if so special case a rule addition for the floating ip too. | 21:48 |
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| russellb | if it's incredibly invasive, might be worth chalking up as a nova-network limitation, and only worrying about it in quantum | 21:48 |
| vishy | the good news is | 21:48 |
| vishy | yeah that is my thought | 21:48 |
| * beagles nods | 21:49 | |
| vishy | that it is just security groups | 21:49 |
| vishy | so you just need to tell people that if they wish to use security groups | 21:49 |
| vishy | add rules for the floating range as well | 21:49 |
| vishy | or even better | 21:50 |
| vishy | don't use floating ips from instance to instance | 21:50 |
| beagles | :) | 21:50 |
| vishy | and use something else for your vip | 21:50 |
| vishy | like an haproxy instance | 21:50 |
| vishy | there is a known issue in the release notes for folsom about this | 21:51 |
| vishy | and some info i sent to the list about it when i realized that I can't fix it easily. | 21:51 |
| russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Folsom#Known_Issues_2 | 21:51 |
| russellb | "Security Groups do not mix well with floating ips. Users should use fixed ips in security group rules. More information here" | 21:51 |
| russellb | where here is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2012-September/001212.html | 21:51 |
| russellb | nice | 21:51 |
| beagles | cool | 21:52 |
| russellb | thanks a bunch, vishy | 21:52 |
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| beagles | yes, thanks! | 21:52 |
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| vishy | np | 21:53 |
| russellb | 7 minutes left if anyone else has a topic | 21:53 |
| jog0 | when was nova synced with oslo-incubator, when I did a sync of everything (of oslo grizzly and nova milestone) I get 71 lines cahnged | 21:53 |
| russellb | jog0: very recently | 21:53 |
| jog0 | russellb: looking at the logs I didn't see a general sync in the milestone proposed branch | 21:54 |
| russellb | jog0: i did one before milestone-proposed | 21:54 |
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| russellb | IIRC | 21:54 |
| russellb | no wait, that was after ... | 21:54 |
| russellb | yes, it was after. | 21:55 |
| russellb | we've only been backporting specific things we knew we needed | 21:55 |
| russellb | a lockutils thing ... some setup.py things | 21:55 |
| russellb | that i recall | 21:55 |
| dripton | As promised last week: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/convert-to-alembic | 21:57 |
| jog0 | russellb: ahh its just a little strange to not sync with the stable release | 21:57 |
| russellb | 5 more session proposals during this meeting I think | 21:57 |
| russellb | dripton: nice, short on time to go into detail ... post to the -dev list to draw attention to code/wiki stuff once you have it to look at | 21:58 |
| dripton | russellb: ack | 21:58 |
| russellb | alright, time's up | 22:00 |
| russellb | thanks everyone! | 22:00 |
| russellb | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 28 22:00:10 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-28-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-28-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-03-28-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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