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| davidkranz | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 17 17:00:47 2013 UTC. The chair is davidkranz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | hi | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | hi | 17:01 |
| ravikumar_hp | hi | 17:01 |
| davidkranz | Hi there. | 17:01 |
| donaldngo | hi | 17:01 |
| davidkranz | Jay couldn't make it today. | 17:01 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: Around? | 17:01 |
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| davidkranz | sdague: Here? | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: sdague is out sick today. So, I don't think he'll make it. | 17:02 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: Ok, then let's start. | 17:03 |
| davidkranz | #topic Reviews | 17:03 |
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| davidkranz | I don't think there is much to discuss there. | 17:03 |
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| davidkranz | Can any one speak to the state of the quantum tests? | 17:04 |
| * afazekas is here | 17:04 | |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: yes | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | I am developing the code for 2 BP's | 17:04 |
| afrittoli | hi | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | basic tests | 17:04 |
| mlavalle | and advanced tests | 17:04 |
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| mlavalle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-basic-api | 17:05 |
| mlavalle | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tempest/+spec/quantum-extended-api | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | coding the first one | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | zyluo is writing code for the second one | 17:06 |
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| davidkranz | mlavalle: I see those blueprints. What is the relation to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19152/ | 17:06 |
| ravikumar_hp | mlavalle: is basic tests will be gated tests? | 17:06 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: that's a refactoring of a smoketest that mnewby implemented a month ago | 17:07 |
| davidkranz | mlavalle: So your new tests are in addition to those. | 17:08 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: correct | 17:08 |
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| davidkranz | mlavalle: So it sounds like progress is being made. That's great. | 17:08 |
| mlavalle | davidkranz: :-) | 17:09 |
| davidkranz | OK, I think the next topic is progress on parallel execution. | 17:10 |
| davidkranz | #topic Parallel execution | 17:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Parallel execution (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:10 | |
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| afazekas | At the moment the resource reuse has more benefits | 17:11 |
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| davidkranz | afazekas: Resource reuse is certainly easier being more local. | 17:12 |
| donaldngo | have we decided to use testr to run the current tempest tests? | 17:12 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: But they are both important. The sheer volume of tests is increasing rapidly. | 17:13 |
| davidkranz | donaldngo: That is a work in progress. | 17:13 |
| afazekas | Probably we need to add more CPU to the gate VMs in order to see performance improvement from parallel testing | 17:13 |
| afazekas | Looks like now, even the heavy load can causes flaky cases | 17:14 |
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| davidkranz | afazekas: That's probably true. | 17:15 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: But still, a lot of time is spent waiting for state changes and that does not need more cpu to eliminate. | 17:16 |
| afazekas | I will play with tmpfs as instance and glance image storage, probably it can mitigate the flaky issues, and might increase the performance | 17:16 |
| afazekas | davidkranz: since the tempest and n-cpu running on the same cpu, we are affected by the cpu load | 17:16 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: That would be great. | 17:17 |
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| davidkranz | afazekas: It may just be that there is simply too many processes running for a single-cpu instance. | 17:17 |
| afazekas | yes | 17:18 |
| davidkranz | It would be interesting to compare the performance right now with a 2-cpu instance. | 17:18 |
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| afazekas | we should test the impact of adding more cpu to qemu | 17:18 |
| afazekas | yes | 17:19 |
| davidkranz | #topic Open Discussion | 17:19 |
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| davidkranz | Does any one have anything else to discuss? | 17:19 |
| donaldngo | is the migration to testtools still a work in progress or are we sticking with nose? | 17:20 |
| davidkranz | donaldngo: I think cyeoh is working on it based on the chatter in #openstack-qa | 17:21 |
| afazekas | Why we need to switch to testtools ? | 17:21 |
| donaldngo | yea I saw cyeoh email I wasn't sure if this was a proof of concept or a change in direction | 17:22 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: Jay and Daryl both tried and failed to get around bugs in the nose multiprocessing plugin | 17:22 |
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| davidkranz | afazekas: THere was no response from the nose people. | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | The developer of testtools is part of the OpenStack community and was seen as an alternative. | 17:23 |
| afazekas | davidkranz: can you send me links to this bugs ? | 17:23 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: You should ask jaypipes for the details | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | Also, the ci team switched away from nose. | 17:24 |
| jhenner | what about fixing the multiprocessing plugin? (I know it is a headache to use) | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | But there has not been a decision that we should stop using nose. | 17:24 |
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| afazekas | IMHO our case is vary special, so we might need to develop our own very dynamic test tools, with resource reuse capabilities | 17:24 |
| davidkranz | jhenner: I wish jaypipes were here to comment. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: I spent a few hours last night, and have some promising code. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: on testtools + fixtures. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | davidkranz: problem is, it really does require quite a big rewrite. | 17:25 |
| jaypipes | and I'm not sure how long it would take | 17:25 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: Cool. I think folks are still unsure that we should do such a rewrite and that we could salvage nose with less work. | 17:25 |
| donaldngo | davidkranz++ | 17:26 |
| afazekas | Is testtools using the threading module for parallel execution ? | 17:26 |
| davidkranz | jaypipes: testtools is still work-in-progress and I'm not sure how we will decide in the end. | 17:26 |
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| afazekas | We need to consider IPC between test threads/processes, because of the resource sharing | 17:28 |
| davidkranz | I think if some one can make nose do what we need, we would probably stick with it. But no one has. | 17:29 |
| davidkranz | And those who have tried are pursuing the testtools approach at the moment. | 17:29 |
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| davidkranz | Any other comments or other topics to discuss? | 17:31 |
| afazekas | Would be nice if we could identify flaky issues, more easier. | 17:33 |
| afazekas | Basically collecting reviews when a recheck/reverify fixes an issue. | 17:34 |
| jhenner | do we know what we need? | 17:34 |
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| davidkranz | afazekas: There are also the hourly full tempest runs. | 17:35 |
| jhenner | I mean, what are our requirements? Are there summarized somewhere? | 17:35 |
| davidkranz | afazekas: They are still flaky. | 17:35 |
| davidkranz | jhenner: You mean requirements about flakiness? | 17:35 |
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| afazekas | I want to find coincides in the flaky cases log files. | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: I didn't think that the hourly has failed recently since I pushed the fix to that error state during build fix. | 17:37 |
| davidkranz | mtreinish: It failed yesterday and the day before. Doesn't seem tempest-related. | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | davidkranz: ok | 17:38 |
| davidkranz | It would make sense to keep track of the failure rate. | 17:40 |
| davidkranz | I will ask the ci folks about that. | 17:40 |
| jhenner | davidkranz: I meant requirements for the test runner to run. I didn't finish my sentence in time. | 17:40 |
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| jhenner | I think failure rate can be watched by some Jenkins plugin. Let me chceck | 17:41 |
| davidkranz | jhenner: Ah. I don't think there are any written down. | 17:41 |
| davidkranz | jhenner: That would be great. | 17:42 |
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| jhenner | "Project healthL can display number of failures per test in some interval you choose. | 17:42 |
| davidkranz | jhenner: Is this something the ci folks have to install or whatever? | 17:43 |
| afazekas | davidkranz: I think so | 17:43 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: You there? | 17:43 |
| jhenner | https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Project+Health+Report+Plugin | 17:44 |
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| davidkranz | That looks like what we need exactly. | 17:45 |
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| davidkranz | I'll ping the ci folks about that. | 17:46 |
| jeblair | hi! | 17:46 |
| jeblair | scrolling back | 17:47 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: We were talking about the need to track flakiness. | 17:47 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: And wondering if we could use that plugin. | 17:47 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: Or some other idea you might have for that purpose. | 17:47 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: we had to stop having jenkins parse test output, because of the impact that has on jenkins (it creates a synchronization point in test runs, and keeping a build history causes too much load) | 17:48 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: so i don't think we can use that plugin | 17:49 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: What about just tracking the %failure on a day by day basis. | 17:49 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: I mean overall success so test output is not needed. | 17:49 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: the concern here is which individual tests are failing, right? | 17:49 |
| jhenner | jeblair: There is some clustering support for Jenkins. Do you know about that? Wouldn't it help? | 17:50 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: (btw, you saw http://status.openstack.org/rechecks/ which is human crowdsourcing for overall job failing flakiness) | 17:50 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: I did see that. | 17:50 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: It's been my experience that folks ignore flakies unless the heat rises to a certain level | 17:51 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: So I just thought it would be good to know when we were there in an obvious and objective way. | 17:51 |
| davidkranz | Still trying to move toward a bigger gate but worried about flakiness. | 17:52 |
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| jeblair | davidkranz: so what's the granularity you want? at the jenkins job level, or individual test level? | 17:52 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: Both really, but it seemed like you were saying individual test level was too expensive. | 17:53 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: well, just that having _jenkins_ parse that is too expensive | 17:53 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: I see. We could scrape log files instead. | 17:54 |
| jeblair | davidkranz: also, there's a data-cleanliness issue, in that we run tests for proposed as well as merged changes, and also periodic; you're probably not so concerned with which tests are failing on proposed changes? | 17:54 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: Right. | 17:54 |
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| davidkranz | jeblair: If we could start with job-level failure rate it would be helpful. | 17:55 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: If load or other infrastructure issues are a problem it causes random tests to fail. | 17:55 |
| jeblair | okay, i think the meeting's almost over, so let's brainstorm about that. | 17:56 |
| davidkranz | jeblair: Thanks. That sounds good. | 17:56 |
| davidkranz | ANything else before closing the meeting? | 17:57 |
| davidkranz | OK, see you all next week. | 17:57 |
| * afazekas NO | 17:57 | |
| davidkranz | or on #openstack-qa | 17:58 |
| davidkranz | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 17 17:58:07 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-01-17-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-01-17-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2013/qa.2013-01-17-17.00.log.html | 17:58 |
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| rainya | hihi everyone | 20:46 |
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| russellb | #startmeeting nova | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jan 17 21:03:28 2013 UTC. The chair is russellb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
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| russellb | #chair vishy | 21:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: russellb vishy | 21:03 |
| russellb | Howdy, nova folks | 21:03 |
| ndipanov | hola | 21:03 |
| rainya | hihi :) | 21:03 |
| russellb | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/Nova | 21:03 |
| dansmith | meh. | 21:04 |
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| devananda | hiya | 21:04 |
| vishy | hi! | 21:04 |
| jog0 | o/ | 21:04 |
| comstud | haaaaaai | 21:04 |
| russellb | dansmith: aw, hype it up! | 21:04 |
| comstud | is it Thursday already? | 21:04 |
| alaski | hey | 21:04 |
| rainya | and it's snowing here! | 21:04 |
| dansmith | russellb: can't.. I'm beat down by the corporate machine today :( | 21:04 |
| russellb | so, we have a couple of agenda items ... grizzly-3 review can easily eat up the whole time I bet, so perhaps we should start with the other | 21:04 |
| russellb | dansmith: :( | 21:04 |
| annegentle | rainya: Get. Out. | 21:05 |
| russellb | vishy: up to you | 21:05 |
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| rainya | annegentle, i'm in blacksburg :D | 21:05 |
| annegentle | rainya: LOL | 21:05 |
| vishy | #topic Review grizzly-3 objectives | 21:05 |
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| vishy | okie so our grizzly-3 list is kind of insane | 21:05 |
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| russellb | #link https://launchpad.net/nova/+milestone/grizzly-3 | 21:05 |
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| vishy | if you are assigned to any of these and you know it is not going to make it, let me know and i will untarget | 21:06 |
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| russellb | I think I'll untarget and unassign myself from rpc-based-servicegroup-driver ... I did some conductor related changes to do what we need for no-db-compute for now | 21:07 |
| vishy | dansmith: can i untarget this from grizzly? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/rpc-version-control | 21:07 |
| russellb | that was my main motivation to work on | 21:07 |
| russellb | it | 21:07 |
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| dansmith | vishy: actually, | 21:07 |
| vishy | russellb: ok pull it off the grizzly list then? | 21:07 |
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| russellb | yeah, sounds good. i'll get it now | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I was going to ask about that.. I think it's important for upgrade.. we need to have that a release before we want to be able to support rolling upgrades, right? | 21:08 |
| dansmith | actually, wait, maybe I'm confusing this with another thing | 21:08 |
| vishy | does anyone have any other blueprints that they know will miss? | 21:09 |
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| russellb | dansmith: you're right, it's important for upgrades in some cases anyway | 21:10 |
| dansmith | russellb: well, I was thinking this would be a version discovery thing, | 21:10 |
| devananda | openvz isn't assigned to me but i still haven't seen any movement on it | 21:10 |
| devananda | so i think it's safe to assume that will miss | 21:10 |
| dansmith | but now that I think of it, H could be taught to speak G messages, with a config flag until everything is upgraded and limp along, | 21:10 |
| russellb | mainly the case where you can not clearly upgrade the server side before client (like computes talkikng to each other) | 21:10 |
| russellb | right | 21:11 |
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| dansmith | but it would be nicer if we could do something smarter | 21:11 |
| dansmith | right | 21:11 |
| ndipanov | I have this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/improve-boot-from-volume that I am hoping to make but am becoming less optimistic | 21:11 |
| russellb | not sure it's realistic to think even that will happen for G though | 21:11 |
| vishy | ok i'm untagging stuff | 21:11 |
| ndipanov | If I suspect it'll sleep I will inform you - leave for now please | 21:12 |
| vishy | ndipanov: would love to see that in | 21:12 |
| ndipanov | vishy, if bdm goes well it'll be easey | 21:12 |
| devananda | for general-baremetal-provisioning-framework, enough of that is now implemented that I am inclined to mark that BP as "implemented" and start opening other BPs for more specific changes, like quantum integration, more scalable deploys, etc. | 21:12 |
| devananda | lifeless: thoughts on ^ ? | 21:12 |
| ndipanov | vishy, but I like to underpromise | 21:12 |
| ndipanov | vishy, leave it for now... | 21:12 |
| russellb | dansmith: how far off do you think we are with no-db-compute? i haven't done a good audit lately | 21:12 |
| lifeless | devananda: worksforme | 21:12 |
| dansmith | russellb: I dunno, I've been meaning to do one.. I think we're actually making pretty good progress | 21:13 |
| dansmith | russellb: I can try to have an audit for next week though if you want | 21:13 |
| russellb | dansmith: yeah that's my gut feeling, too | 21:13 |
| dansmith | I think I keep putting it off, expecting it will make me depressed :) | 21:13 |
| russellb | dansmith: that'd be great. you know i was thinking ... we could throw up a WIP patch that intentionally breaks the db API for nova-compute ... and look at test results to find stuff :) | 21:13 |
| dansmith | russellb: yeah | 21:13 |
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| dansmith | russellb: also, if you could stop racing with my rpc api version changes, that'd help :D | 21:14 |
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| russellb | dansmith: :-p | 21:14 |
| russellb | dansmith: really need to figure out a better way to handle that that isn't so conflict heavy ... | 21:14 |
| vishy | #topic API-v3 and API-v2 coexistence options | 21:15 |
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| russellb | vishy: i'm at a conference for the rest of the weekend, so if not sooner, i can continue to help with g-3 blueprint cleanup next week | 21:15 |
| vishy | hehe | 21:15 |
| dansmith | yeah, I've thought about it | 21:15 |
| vishy | who is giving the update here | 21:15 |
| vishy | sdague, maurosr ? | 21:15 |
| russellb | maurosr: ^^ | 21:15 |
| dansmith | maurosr: | 21:15 |
| maurosr | hi | 21:15 |
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| maurosr | the main question is: how are we going to allow this coexistence? | 21:16 |
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| maurosr | I have a huge patch with 13k lines (splitted into ~26 that I didn't pushed) with only copies | 21:16 |
| russellb | 13k lines of copied code does not seem ideal :-/ | 21:16 |
| dansmith | russellb: let him finish :) | 21:17 |
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| dansmith | russellb: he's prepping everyone to love his alternative plan :D | 21:17 |
| russellb | lol | 21:17 |
| maurosr | I don't like it.. so I thought: enable api-v2 and v3 then make v2 inherits v3 (the default api) stuff and only if you want to change something in api-v3 you will need to specify those changes | 21:17 |
| rainya | hahahaha | 21:17 |
| maurosr | so new classes in a v2 tree that inherits from the v3 ones | 21:18 |
| maurosr | changes on v3 will break v2 so change a method on v3 and you will need to copy it back to v2 class | 21:18 |
| maurosr | that will avoid the copy | 21:18 |
| dansmith | maurosr: the only problem I see is that someone will go in and make a change to the v3 one, and affect the v2 one without realizing it, unless we have really good api_samples testing | 21:18 |
| maurosr | yes | 21:18 |
| dansmith | the opposite of v3 inheriting from v2 would be a little safer in that regard | 21:19 |
| vishy | maurosr: alternative plan | 21:19 |
| maurosr | that is what I thought: completing api samples bp and we will be sure that no format and response code changed | 21:19 |
| dansmith | but becomes a bit messier over the long run | 21:19 |
| dansmith | however, since v3 is short-lived and not expected to evolve much, it might be better | 21:19 |
| vishy | symlic all of the files, if we want to change things we delete the symlink and use a real copy instead and modify it | 21:19 |
| vishy | *symlink | 21:20 |
| maurosr | dansmith: yeah, we can make it too... but eventually when we remove v2, it will be a bunch of code copied into v3 | 21:20 |
| dansmith | vishy: that won't work on, say, a win32 api host, right? | 21:20 |
| vishy | dansmith: we don't have those yet | 21:20 |
| vishy | :) | 21:20 |
| dansmith | I figured *someome* was doing that | 21:20 |
| russellb | don't want to knowingly prohibit it ... | 21:21 |
| maurosr | so symlinks it's? | 21:21 |
| dansmith | if we don't care, then the symlink approach is probably a more explicit divorce of the two as soon as they diverge, | 21:21 |
| dansmith | but it seems like we'll eventually end up with all 13k lines changed in the long run | 21:21 |
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| maurosr | dansmith: not if the links are in v2 right? | 21:22 |
| maurosr | btw gerrit will ignore the links in the review? | 21:23 |
| dansmith | maurosr: you'll still end up coping v3 -> v2 every time you make a small change to v3 | 21:23 |
| maurosr | yeah, but at least the guys will see a weird change on v2 that he didn't made | 21:23 |
| maurosr | so the copy will be smooth | 21:24 |
| dansmith | vishy: so, you think symlinks over inheritance? | 21:24 |
| maurosr | exactly what I was thinking when suggested the inheritance stuff | 21:24 |
| vishy | dansmith: the inheritance part means we can't ever remove the v2 version easily | 21:25 |
| dansmith | vishy: not if v2 inherits from v3 | 21:25 |
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| maurosr | yes ^ | 21:25 |
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| russellb | v2 inheriting from v3 seems so unnatural | 21:25 |
| vishy | dansmith: that sounds painful | 21:25 |
| maurosr | it's weird but avoid problems | 21:25 |
| dansmith | vishy: that was his proposal | 21:25 |
| vishy | dansmith, maurosr: when we initially did v1 and v1.1 we used inheritance | 21:25 |
| dansmith | I agree that it feels unnatural | 21:25 |
| vishy | and it was a maintenance nightmare | 21:26 |
| dansmith | okay, well, experience trumps speculation | 21:26 |
| vishy | I don't want to have to repeat that if we can avoid it | 21:26 |
| dansmith | maurosr: so wanna do symlinks and see how it works? | 21:26 |
| maurosr | I liked the symlinks cause we can just ban any commit on v2 tree so if the developer doesn't notice the change on v2 the tests will | 21:26 |
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| maurosr | dansmith: i think it will work fine, will submit it, until the end of day | 21:27 |
| dansmith | maurosr: okay | 21:27 |
| vishy | i have another question | 21:28 |
| vishy | is it reasonable to think that this will be in grizzly? | 21:28 |
| vishy | it seems too late | 21:28 |
| rmk | I'd say it's too late | 21:28 |
| dansmith | well, | 21:28 |
| vishy | I'm thinking at this point we do v3 immediately after grizzly | 21:29 |
| rmk | it's just going to leave an incomplete project in grizzly | 21:29 |
| dansmith | I think the audit part took longer than expected, along with other usual delays | 21:29 |
| rmk | vishy: i agree | 21:29 |
| maurosr | sorry but I don't know the dates | 21:29 |
| dansmith | we've been feeling the pressure, but have been trying to make it happen | 21:29 |
| dansmith | our thought was potentially to get what we can in by grizzly, | 21:29 |
| vishy | dansmith: I don't see the point of releasing a v3 api until we've had time to solidify it | 21:29 |
| rmk | ^^ | 21:29 |
| dansmith | but perhaps not call it stable until later | 21:29 |
| uvirtbot | rmk: Error: "^" is not a valid command. | 21:29 |
| rmk | uvirtbot: thanks smart ass bot | 21:29 |
| uvirtbot | rmk: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command. | 21:29 |
| rmk | hah | 21:29 |
| maurosr | when is the dead line? | 21:30 |
| rmk | I'd make v3 api as a whole an H target | 21:30 |
| rmk | That would be my vote if I had one | 21:30 |
| rmk | maurosr: We're about 2 weeks out from g3, after which it's pretty much lockdown for bugfixes | 21:30 |
| dansmith | is it really that close? | 21:31 |
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| vishy | rmk: I agree. There is no point in complicating things before the g3 release | 21:31 |
| russellb | feb 21 IIRC | 21:31 |
| vishy | * grizzyl release | 21:31 |
| maurosr | ok, I know that I can assume that v3 will be stable until there.. but maybe include it as beta? | 21:31 |
| russellb | #link http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule | 21:31 |
| rmk | OK so I'm off by 2 weeks -- still not enough time to solidify a whole new version of the API | 21:31 |
| dansmith | rmk: I could five :) | 21:32 |
| maurosr | cause we have some extensions changes depending on that | 21:32 |
| dansmith | rmk: it's not a new version | 21:32 |
| vishy | maurosr: the issue is I don't want people to start expecting api compatibility | 21:32 |
| dansmith | okay, so it sounds like we need to hold off on committing anything then, right? | 21:32 |
| maurosr | right | 21:32 |
| vishy | dansmith: I would say lets hold off until we open up H | 21:33 |
| dansmith | okay | 21:33 |
| russellb | sounds like a good idea to me ... | 21:33 |
| dansmith | a couple of us will get fired over this, but that's okay | 21:33 |
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| russellb | O.O | 21:33 |
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| dansmith | hmm, this is logged.. JUST KIDDING | 21:33 |
| comstud | lol | 21:33 |
| rmk | haha | 21:33 |
| dansmith | only maurosr will get fired | 21:34 |
| dansmith | dammit.. JUST KIDDING | 21:34 |
| maurosr | hehe | 21:34 |
| dansmith | okay, so that's the end of that | 21:34 |
| maurosr | one more thing | 21:34 |
| maurosr | well nm.. it's not for g3 | 21:34 |
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| vishy | ok | 21:35 |
| vishy | #topic bugs | 21:35 |
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| vishy | #link http://webnumbr.com/untouched-nova-bugs | 21:35 |
| vishy | I went through a few yesterday and found some interesting ones | 21:35 |
| vishy | i suspect we also have a lot of open bugs | 21:36 |
| comstud | I looked through a number the other day, but didn't find time to really dig into them | 21:36 |
| comstud | lots in areas I'm not completely familar with | 21:36 |
| russellb | i triaged a few at least | 21:37 |
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| comstud | libvirt, networking :) | 21:37 |
| vishy | yup 466 | 21:37 |
| vishy | 466 in new/confirmed/triaged | 21:37 |
| vishy | that is a lot | 21:37 |
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| vishy | i suppose we have a whole month to close those guys after g3 | 21:37 |
| rmk | I'll take a look at some of the libvirt ones | 21:37 |
| russellb | was up over 50 at the beginning of the week | 21:37 |
| vishy | but if anyone feels like switching over to bug fixing i don't mid! | 21:37 |
| rmk | I'm still a relative noob to anything outside that driver so may as well | 21:38 |
| vishy | also: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=folsom-backport-potential | 21:38 |
| vishy | there are some there that need to be fixed and backported | 21:38 |
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| vishy | #topic open discussion | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:40 | |
| jog0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1098380 | 21:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1098380 in nova "Quotas showing in use when no VMs are running" [Critical,Confirmed] | 21:40 |
| jog0 | not sure best way to fix that bug | 21:40 |
| comstud | Please review the last cells patches I have up: 15234, 15235, 15236, 16221 | 21:40 |
| comstud | :) | 21:40 |
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| dansmith | I'm out next week, so don't expect me to be around for any no-db-compute fires I may start this week :D | 21:41 |
| comstud | Yeah, also: I'll be tied up in all day meetings starting next week for 2 weeks | 21:41 |
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| comstud | and I'm OOTO tomorrow | 21:41 |
| comstud | So I'll be around less | 21:41 |
| dansmith | comstud: I was only worried about you hunting me down, so this'll work out great | 21:41 |
| comstud | lol | 21:41 |
| comstud | I'm sure I'll still hear about your bugs | 21:42 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:42 |
| comstud | I'll just hunt you down at different hours | 21:42 |
| dansmith | I'll give you my phone number | 21:42 |
| comstud | perfect | 21:42 |
| russellb | nice | 21:42 |
| dansmith | just let me look up the pizza joint around the block | 21:42 |
| comstud | :) | 21:42 |
| vishy | jog0: can you give an overview? | 21:42 |
| jog0 | sure | 21:42 |
| vishy | comstud: can you poke Vek? He might have some ideas | 21:43 |
| russellb | dansmith: i got yo' back! | 21:43 |
| jog0 | that bug has a small script that makes the quotas fail | 21:43 |
| comstud | vishy: ideas about? | 21:43 |
| comstud | Im sure he has ideas | 21:43 |
| dansmith | russellb: heh :) | 21:43 |
| vishy | comstud: jog0 's bug with quotas | 21:43 |
| comstud | Oh ok | 21:43 |
| jog0 | you can get stuck in an situation where quota usage is higher than quota limits | 21:44 |
| russellb | why the world is broken | 21:44 |
| russellb | i mean quotas | 21:44 |
| comstud | I let him know.. if he sees my msg | 21:44 |
| jog0 | this happens when quotas go negative (if have two actions running at once the mess up), they reset but ignore VM state | 21:44 |
| jog0 | so if you have 10 VMs in error state they get counted as used | 21:45 |
| jog0 | in quota land | 21:45 |
| comstud | VMs in error... maybe were meant to be counted | 21:45 |
| comstud | because we can have VMs go to ERROR for 'all of the things' | 21:46 |
| comstud | meaning.. they can go to ERROR later if some random task fails | 21:46 |
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| jog0 | comstud: right, but the problem is you can force the quota usage to go higher then the actual quota | 21:46 |
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| jog0 | additionally you can make it go negative | 21:47 |
| comstud | Yea, something doesn't sound right there :) | 21:47 |
| jog0 | spin a VM up, delete vm while spinning up | 21:47 |
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| jog0 | wait till task state goes away from deleting redelete | 21:47 |
| jog0 | and you decrement the quota by 2 | 21:47 |
| jog0 | instead of by 1 | 21:47 |
| jog0 | only 1 task state per vm | 21:48 |
| jog0 | so when have two tasks they fight for the task_state | 21:48 |
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| comstud | yep | 21:48 |
| vishy | jog0: so do you have any ideas about how we might fix it? | 21:48 |
| jog0 | so right now quotas have there own table tracking usage | 21:49 |
| comstud | one idea (i don't like).. associate instances with the quota entries | 21:49 |
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| comstud | maybe I don't like | 21:49 |
| comstud | there's not really quota entries per instance anyway | 21:50 |
| jog0 | we could just look at the instances table and do the logic on the fly when trying to allocate a resource | 21:50 |
| jog0 | so don't have to deallocate when resource fails | 21:50 |
| comstud | that's how it was before | 21:50 |
| jog0 | comstud: why did it change? | 21:50 |
| comstud | and it was racey... not sure for worse or better than now | 21:50 |
| comstud | :) | 21:50 |
| jog0 | comstud: :/ | 21:51 |
| comstud | there was no atomic check-and-set | 21:51 |
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| jog0 | can't the db lookup be made atomic? | 21:51 |
| comstud | sure, if you move quota checking perhaps inside of db.instance_create()...and the other methods where quotas come into play | 21:52 |
| comstud | it'll affect performance | 21:53 |
| jog0 | I would rather take a performance hit if it makes them work all the time | 21:53 |
| jog0 | comstud: can you give an example of the kinds of race conditions we used to have? | 21:54 |
| vishy | right now we have to do a periodic cleanup of quota calculations | 21:54 |
| vishy | which is fugly | 21:54 |
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| comstud | jog0: The code before was: | 21:55 |
| comstud | on new build: | 21:55 |
| jog0 | vishy: the cleanup code is broken too though | 21:55 |
| comstud | 1) Will this pass quotas? | 21:55 |
| russellb | endmeeting? | 21:55 |
| comstud | 2) Carry on... | 21:55 |
| comstud | 3) create instance | 21:55 |
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| jog0 | vishy: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/quota.py#L1036 | 21:55 |
| comstud | you could sneak a number of builds into step 2 | 21:55 |
| comstud | surpassing the quotas | 21:55 |
| jog0 | comstud: ahh | 21:56 |
| comstud | 1 and 3 were not atomic | 21:56 |
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| jog0 | what about counting vms in building state in step 1? | 21:56 |
| jog0 | and now that the DB entry is always done in API | 21:57 |
| comstud | so this new quota system was generated to be rather generic.. and its checking and setting operations were atomic | 21:57 |
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| comstud | But yeah, it fails when you delete an instance.. reset state, delete an instance again... | 21:57 |
| comstud | and all sorts of cases you mention | 21:57 |
| vishy | yeah we can cary on in dev | 21:58 |
| comstud | ya | 21:58 |
| vishy | #endmeeting nova | 21:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack meetings || Development in #openstack-dev || Help in #openstack" | 21:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jan 17 21:58:08 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-01-17-21.03.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-01-17-21.03.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2013/nova.2013-01-17-21.03.log.html | 21:58 |
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