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pcm_/19:11
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pcm_msg Hg_ test19:21
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arosenHi20:57
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gongyshhi20:57
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mesteryo/20:57
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salv-orlandoaloha20:58
danwenthi salv-orlando, how goes it?20:58
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mnewbyhi20:59
markvoelker1o/20:59
zyluo_hi20:59
garykdanwent: salv-orlando arosen gongysh : you guys are early for the party. where is mestery20:59
garykhi all20:59
mesteryHey, here!20:59
salv-orlandohe's lurking behind you20:59
amotokihi20:59
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sharishi all20:59
garykgongysh could be behind me (i owe him some reviews)20:59
NachiHi20:59
mesterysalv-orlando: That sounds too ominous.20:59
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danwentok, hello all, let's get started21:00
danwent#startmeeting quantum21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Dec 17 21:00:07 2012 UTC.  The chair is danwent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: quantum)"21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'quantum'21:00
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danwentso…. good news/bad news...21:00
danwentgood news is that the meeting agenda was really easy to update this time around...21:00
enikanorovhi21:00
danwentbad news is that this is because its largely unchanged from last time21:00
danwentmeaning we didn't get all that much accomplished last week.21:00
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danwentits tough around the holidays, but remember that the G-2 deadline is Jan 22nd, which doesn't leave a lot of time once people get back from the holidays, so we really need to be clearing out our feature review backlog now.21:01
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danwentok, enough soap-box preaching, let's get down to business21:02
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danwent#topic announcements21:02
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danwent#info thanks to mnewby, we now have a base layer of quantum tests integrated into tempest21:02
danwent#info there is a devstack patch to simplify running these test, see: http://wiki.openstack.org/QuantumDevstack21:02
danwentany other announcements?21:02
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danwent#topic quantum documentation21:03
Nachiquantum-gate is still not working (Bad news)21:03
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danwentNachi: we'll get to gating soon :)21:03
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Nachidanwent: I hope so21:03
danwenton the docs, we are largely where we were last week.  Just want to draw attention to two reviews21:04
danwenthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bugs?field.tag=quantum21:04
gongyshIt seems we are inside, so there is no need for us to build gate.21:04
danwentin particular21:04
danwenthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/17570/21:04
danwenthttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/13759/21:04
danwentgongysh: i think this patch needs some discussion from you before more review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17774/21:04
danwentgongysh: i think we need the gate to keep out barbarian hordes of developers who will destroy quantum :)21:05
danwentAnything else on docs?21:05
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annegentle_for 17570, are you all ready for review again gongysh ?21:05
danwentI have noticed people being really helpful about responding to questions on Answers on launchpad21:05
danwentthis is great.  and when a question is answered, its always good to think about whether it SHOULD have been answered by the docs, and if it was not in the docs, to create a doc bug for it.21:06
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gongyshannegentle: yes21:06
danwentour goal should always be to make ourselves irrelevant in terms of needing to answer user questions :)21:06
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salv-orlandoannegentle_: 17570 fell of my radar, will review later today21:07
danwentin particular, i've noticed gongysh doing a great job responding to questions on LP Answers, so thanks Yong!21:07
annegentle_salv-orlando: ok, great.21:07
gongyshdanwent: that is my first job of every day.21:07
danwentgongysh: i can tell, very helpful for the community.21:08
annegentle_salv-orlando: and I'll look at 1375921:08
danwentok, let's move past docs then.21:08
annegentle_wait,21:08
danwent#topic grizzly-2 status21:08
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annegentle_I wanted to ask about the Quantum WADL generator?21:08
danwentannegentle_: sure, go ahead.  gongysh is someone from your team working on that?21:08
gongyshannegentle: zyluo is working on it.21:08
annegentle_so this page got on my radar http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/API/WADL21:08
zyluo_I recently wrote a spec21:09
annegentle_and other teams are interested if you get it working - how far along are you?21:09
annegentle_zyluo_: it would be super helpful to a bunch of projects, seriously neat.21:09
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annegentle_#link http://wiki.openstack.org/Quantum/API/WADL21:09
zyluo_well I'm currently looking on what Nova has done with automated tests.21:09
zyluo_Then I'll fill in some of gongysh 's questions and start working on that bp21:10
annegentle_zyluo_: fabulous, thanks.21:10
zyluo_Targeted to G321:10
danwentcool stuff!21:10
annegentle_Ok, carry on, thanks for letting me poke my head in.21:10
danwentannegentle_, as always, good seeing you!21:10
annegentle_:)21:10
danwent#info https://launchpad.net/quantum/+milestone/grizzly-221:11
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danwentlooks pretty similar to last week, not a lot of progress in the past week.21:11
danwentin this meeting, i'd really like to identify 3 features we think we can get merged this week, and get a set of people committed to doing so.21:12
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-gate21:12
danwentsounds like we're still seeing differences between our setups, and the gate on this one, huh?21:12
Nachidanwent: yes21:12
danwentETA on fix is unknown, so probably uncertain if it will merge this week?21:12
Nachidanwent: yes X(21:12
garykNachi: is there anyway which we can help here?21:13
danwentok.  Nachi, so you're working on this and the security groups stuff at the same time.  wondering if we can offload21:13
danwentexactly :)21:13
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danwentfrom amotoki's note, it sounds like there is additional unit test dev requirement for the sec group stuff21:13
nati_uenosorry disconnected21:13
nati_uenoah topic is in sec group?21:14
garyknati_ueno: is there anyway which we can help?21:14
danwentnati_ueno: what was the last thing you saw?21:14
nati_uenoI agree with amotoki. I'll work on unit tests in this week21:14
nati_ueno-> nati_ueno: is there anyway which we can help?21:14
danwentgaryk: Nachi: is there anyway which we can help here?21:14
danwent[1:13pm] danwent: ok.  Nachi, so you're working on this and the security groups stuff at the same time.  wondering if we can offload21:14
danwent[1:13pm] danwent: exactly21:14
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danwent[1:13pm] danwent: from amotoki's note, it sounds like there is additional unit test dev requirement for the sec group stuff21:14
nati_uenodanwent: Thanks21:14
danwentnati_ueno: would someone else be able to pitch in and help try to understand the gating failures?21:15
nati_uenogaryk: I'm working on create local CI with devstack-gate script. But I got kernel panic from VM. May be my hardware problem or config problem.21:15
mesterynati_ueno: Let me know if I can help here too.21:15
zyluo_nati_ueno, me221:16
mesterynati_ueno: I have some cycles and machines for this too.21:16
nati_uenoThanks folks. Could you also trying to create local CI too?21:16
danwenti'd love it if more people got involved in the CI-side of things for quantum.21:16
mesterynati_ueno: will do21:16
garyknati_ueno: can you please post the instrauctions and then all intersted can help check it out21:16
danwentnati_ueno: can you send out some pointers to the list on this?21:16
danwent:)21:16
mestery:)21:16
nati_uenosure!21:16
danwentok, next up, markmcclain21:17
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-db-upgrades21:17
danwentmarkmcclain: ping?21:18
markmcclainhope to push tonight/tomorrow morning21:18
nati_uenomestery: garyk: here is instructions of local CI gating https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gat21:18
nati_uenozyluo_: also21:18
nati_uenosorry typo https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate21:18
garykdanwent: markmcclain i saw that there is a patch in common for db support. is this something to take into account for the upgrades?21:18
danwentmarkmcclain: how complex is the patch?  is it feasible to review this week?21:19
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markmcclainnot terribly complex.. should be reviewable this week21:20
markmcclainmore just making sure it works for the various plugins21:20
danwentmarkmcclain: ok.  i forget, who volunteered to be the core devs here?  I think i did.21:21
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markmcclainI thought it was you and salv-orlando21:21
danwenti'm stuck in a mandatory company training all day tomorrow + wed (urgh), but can review on either side of the main workday21:21
salv-orlandoI was one of the two21:21
danwentok, well, if another core dev beyond salv-orlando comes in and reviews it more quickly, don't feel you need to wait for me.21:22
danwentok, i'm putting this on my "hit list" of items to merge this week.  feeling lucky :)21:22
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danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-security-groups-iptables21:22
danwentnati_ueno: from email discussion, sounds like we should WIP this until we get some more unit test coverage on the agent/iptables-manager side?21:23
danwentwas I understanding amotoki correctly?21:23
nati_uenodanwent: Yes I agree21:23
danwentok, please put review in WIP.21:23
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/lbaas-restapi-tenant21:23
danwentlooks like we have a +2 from salv-orlando on this one.21:23
danwentcan we FINALLY merge this?21:24
enikanorovdanwent: i think the patch (both patches, in fact) is ready and is looking good. waiting for markmcclain to approve.21:24
nati_uenosure21:24
enikanorovas he was leaving some coments for the latest version21:24
salv-orlandoyes, but this patch depends on another one where markmcclain had a comment to address21:24
danwentsalv-orlando: link?21:24
danwentsub-resoruces?21:24
enikanorovhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/16888/21:24
markmcclainhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/16888/521:24
danwentyup21:24
salv-orlandoI'm not the fast clicker I used to be :)21:25
enikanorovI think Oleg has responded to the comments21:25
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danwentmarkmcclain: ok, please try to respond to this today, so we can get the two patches rolled in.21:26
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danwentenikanorov: do you know who the second core dev is going to be on the main patch?  I know its had a lot of reviewers, but who else is actively engaged at this point?21:26
markmcclainmissed the responses earlier.. I'll respond21:26
garykdanwent: i was looking at them. i can look again21:26
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markmcclainI'll be on the 2nd patch too, just wanted first to last21:27
danwentgaryk, markmcclain: great, thanks21:27
markmcclain*land21:27
danwentok, so I am putting this one on my hit-list too :)21:27
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danwentwhich means i'll be pestering you if you're a reviewer or a dev and things seem stuck :)21:27
danwentgaryk https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/vif-plugging-improvements21:28
danwenti think i probably owe you feedback on this one21:28
danwentdid you end up merging the nova side reviews?21:28
garykdanwent: final patch is in review. got -1. there are/were expectation that i rewrite nova's networking.21:28
garyki need you to take a look and get your 2 cents. i think it is a reasonable approach the one i have taken21:28
danwentok, will do that later today21:29
garykdanwent: got 2 out of the 3 merged. thanks!21:29
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/lbaas-plugin-api-crud21:29
danwentlooks like leon has been making progress here21:30
danwentstill going through feedback & revision though.21:30
enikanorovyes. but still the patch has to be presented properly :)21:30
danwentenikanorov: can you elaborate?21:31
enikanorovI think salv-orlando has made a comment regarding how Leon should have used Oleg's patches21:32
danwentok, just wanted to make sure your comments were already captured in the existing review comments.21:32
enikanorovin fact we're already kind make some integration testing with this code21:32
enikanorov*kind of21:33
danwentmy spidey-sense says that this review is probably more than a week out, but hopefully we can still make good progress on reviews.21:33
danwentenikanorov: great.  sounds like you're giving helpful feedback to leon21:33
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-service-type21:33
danwentsalv-orlando: things seem to be progressing well here?21:33
salv-orlandoyes21:34
salv-orlandoI need to address the comments21:34
danwentis it fair to shoot for a merge this week?21:34
salv-orlandoI think it's fair; the only concern might lay around how adv services should use the service type21:34
salv-orlandobut I think I can work that out with the reviewers21:34
salv-orlandoI also need to push a CLI patch for that API extension, but that should be easy21:35
danwentsalv-orlando: ok.  i agree that this abstraction may need to change once we gain more experience with it by actually writing services21:35
danwentok, so my official hit-list for this week is:21:35
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-db-upgrades21:35
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-service-type21:35
danwenthttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/lbaas-restapi-tenant21:35
danwent(where the last one includes both the sub-resources patch and the main patch)21:35
danwentdid I miss anything?21:36
garykvif plugin?21:36
garykdanwent: it is more in the scope of nova21:36
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danwentgaryk: sure.  ok, please send me the link for that.  yeah, its in nova, so not sure how much control we have over merging timelines :)21:37
danwenti also wanted to talk about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/lbaas-restapi-tenant21:37
garykdansmith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/17747/21:37
danwentas its important that we get at least one open source load balancing plugin in during grizzly, and I don't want it to land late in G-3, as we would lose the ability to get experience using it, and potentially make important adjustments.21:37
danwenti know there have been a lot of threads going on about the design of an agent-based plugin for LBaaS21:38
danwenti'm not sure if people are coalescing around a single design, or planning on creating different plugins21:38
danwentso I wanted to do a status check and make sure we were making forward progress.21:39
enikanorovin fact, agent-based design is being prototyped already21:39
ilyashakhatand we will have one driver for HAProxy21:39
danwentenikanorov: i figured, which is great.  do you know if youcef and others are planning on using this same code, or are they plannign on doing somethign else?21:40
enikanorovwe've got some working code21:40
danwentenikanorov: is this code publicly available someplace (even if not ready for a review?)21:40
enikanorovwell, i hope when we have time for this, it all will be discussed21:40
enikanorovand agreed upon21:40
Youcefdanwent: yes, we decided early on to have one lbaas plugin for everybody with multiple drivers21:40
enikanorovcurrently we discuss it on ML21:41
enikanorovsince other places like quantum meetings are busy with other action items21:41
danwentYoucef: yes, trying to understand whether we are close to agreement on the "one" agent-based design.21:41
danwentso, sounds like there are still active issues that need to be resolved via discussion on ML?21:41
enikanorovi think there are some issues21:42
ilyashakhatthere's an open question regarding scheduling loadbalancer objects on loadbalancing devices21:42
enikanorovit that we haven't payed too much attention to this lately.21:42
Youcefdanwent: yes, the agent/driver interface with the lbaas plugin is yet to be discussed and designed.21:42
enikanorovYoucef: we have wiki page on that with a proposal of such interface21:43
danwentYoucef, enikanorov: ok.  i agree we don't need to try and design it in this meeting.  I'd just like to have a weekly check-point where we can check-in on progress and high-light the key questions we're facing here, as I know a lot of peopel are anxious to see progress here.21:43
Youcefenikanorov: was it updated after scheduling discussion and service_types clarifications?21:43
ilyashakhatYoucef: not yet21:44
danwentok, moving on.21:44
enikanorovi think schedulingand service types are a bit aside from driver interface21:44
danwentamotoki, nati_ueno : looks like horizon BPs have been targeted for G-2 and given a priority, thanks for that.21:44
enikanorovok21:44
danwentenikanorov + Youcef: i'll look to both of you in future meetings for an update on the status of that BP.  thanks.21:45
amotokidanwent: gabriel just approved them :-)21:45
danwentnati_ueno: given your load on sec-groups and gating, is it realistic to target two more BPs for horizon in G-2?21:45
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danwentsounds like you'll be working through christmas21:45
nati_uenodanwent: two BP?21:45
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danwentnati_ueno: ah, is it only the L3 one that is G-2?21:46
nati_uenodanwent: Yes. I think it is doable21:46
danwentah, topo stuff is G-3, i see.  ok, seems reasonable :)21:46
danwentOk, anything else for G-2?21:46
garykdanwent: nati_ueno: is there a design for this. i am not sure that the l3 agent is that simple. the networking here may be challenging21:46
nati_uenogaryk: horizon router pane?21:47
danwentgaryk: ?21:47
garykdanwent: nati_ueno: the l3 agent. maybe i am coinfused. past my be time21:48
garyki was thinking multinode21:48
danwentgaryk: nati_ueno is talking about updating horizon web-gui to be able to talk to L3 quantum APIs21:48
garykdanwent: my bad (past my bedtime)21:48
nati_uenogaryk: AH but it should be discussed too21:48
danwentbasically, do same ops at router-* CLI commands.21:48
garykundertsood21:49
danwentnati_ueno: is there another BP your'e talking about?21:49
danwenti dont' see it on grizzly-2 page21:49
gongysh_quantum scheduler?21:50
nati_uenohttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/quantum/+spec/quantum-scheduler21:50
nati_uenoAh but is is not targeted to G2 yet21:50
gongysh_I have two patches for it.21:50
danwentyes, i'm a bit worried about pouring more items into G-2 until we are in better shape of merging what we have.21:50
gongysh_I hope it can go into G2.21:50
enikanorovwow. interesting21:50
enikanorovthat's what we planned to introduce for adv services as well21:51
cdub_is there any reuse possibllty forlbaas scheduler?21:51
danwentgongysh_: ok, let's look at patches, but based on previous discussion, it seemed quite involved.21:51
nati_uenoso we need to agree the spec21:51
enikanorovsure21:51
nati_ueno forlbaas scheduler ?21:51
gongysh_yes, codes can help spec.21:51
danwenthttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1TJlW0_tMpeENA_ia38fvRu7ioKRt9fsWXBjivwd1mMw/edit21:51
danwenti don't ever remember seeing replies to a lot of my questions on the spec21:52
garyki have issues with the scheduler and the l3 agent. not 100% sure it will work with the routing.21:52
cdub_nati_ueno: for lbaas scheduler ... "there's an open question regarding scheduling loadbalancer..."21:52
nati_uenocdub_: Thanks21:53
enikanorovstill, scheduling is a general mechanism for balancing load. sooner or later lbaas will have to use it21:53
danwentok, so let's try to get to clarity on the existing spec.  if we are able to do that soon, getting this in G-2 may be possible.21:53
danwentone issue is that quantum folks use the term "scheduling" to mean several different things in my experience :)21:54
gongysh_Danwent: I will answer your questions soon.21:54
danwentgongysh_: ok, thanks.  let me take another look at the spec as well, as I remember being pretty uncertain about a few things.21:54
danwentok, are we able to wrap up the G-2 section of the meeting?21:54
nati_uenoso we should hire same definition with nova-scheduler21:54
gongysh_danwent: sometimes, codes are better.21:54
gongysh_danwent: u can see my patches. both server and client.21:55
enikanorovnati_ueno: agree.21:55
danwentgongysh_: i agree that having code in addition to a spec is nice.  but we need a spec to be clear on goals and high-level design.21:55
danwent#topic open discussion21:55
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danwentjust want to call people's attention to the list of "Open Items Ready to be Claimed"21:55
garykdanwent: is there a meeting next week?21:55
danwenton the agenda21:55
danwentgaryk: that is item #2 :)21:55
garykok21:56
danwentif you're looking to find a new project to work on for quantum, please take a look at this list21:56
danwentsecond item is that next monday is christmas eve21:56
danwentwhich means attending a meeting will be tough for a lot of us.  i also expect the main openstack team meeting on christmas to be canceled.21:57
danwenti'd suggest we replace a meeting with check-in emails on any important topics we think can't wait until the next week.21:57
mlavalledanwent: any chance of getting some feedback from you regarding additional tempest tests development?21:57
danwentbut if others want to meet on IRC, that's fine.  just realize that many folks will not be able to attend.21:57
danwentmlavalle: its in my long queue of emails to respond to, sorry21:58
mlavallenp21:58
mlavallejust want to make sure doesn't fall through the cracks21:58
danwentmlavalle: i personally would love to see some of the key use cases show here (http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-network/admin/content/use_cases.html) coded up as tempest use cases and included in the automated tests that run on each build.21:58
mlavalledanwent: ok, will take a look21:59
danwentthe unit tests do a fairly good job today in flexing the API code, so I think the most value first thing in terms of tempest tests would be replicating common deployment models.21:59
danwentthe real value of tempest in my mind is that it operates across nova, quanutm, keystone, etc.21:59
mlavalleunderstood21:59
danwentok, any other open discussion?21:59
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danwentotherwise, we'll cancel the IRC meeting for next week.22:00
garykmerry xmas and a happy new year!!!22:00
danwentok, thanks folks.  happy holidays, hope we wrap up some reviews this week, get a relaxing break and come engergized to finish up g-2 :)22:00
enikanorovthanks :)22:01
salv-orlandobye!!22:01
danwent#endmeeting22:01
zyluo_bye22:01
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markvoelker1Happy holidays folks22:01
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nati_uenoby! Happy holidays!22:01
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amotokihappy holidays! bye!22:01
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enikanorovbye folks & HH :)22:01
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